0:01I was not surprised to see one China Danny have in Professor Jang though.
0:06>> Are we started now? Are you are you finally ready? Okay, good. Okay, good.
0:09Me and talking about smoking cigarettes for the last 20 minutes. We'll wait for you to do your hair and the bathroom.
0:14I'm glad I'm glad we're back.
0:15>> That's right.
0:16>> Yes. I had a podcast with Professor Jang aka aka the Chinese Billy Carson.
0:21[laughter] I didn't make that up, but I didn't come up with that, by the way. That was a comment on Twitter that I read. That's awesome. [clears throat] Well, you were the guy to launch Billy Carson, so that's on [laughter] >> dude.
0:37I think Jen's a little bit better than Billy Carson. You got to give him a little bit more credit. I think he's right about some stuff, but most of the [ __ ] he's, you know, he's way out there.
0:44He's trying he's like a mix between Carson and uh and Mezer. I think >> Carson and Mezzer across that >> Billy Carson Billy Carson Kurt Mezer hybrid.
0:53>> That sounds like I'm not high enough >> from China. [laughter] You sweep the [ __ ] studio for bugs after that though.
1:00>> Oh yeah.
1:01>> Right.
1:02>> Yeah. We do.
1:02>> Now, how do you sweep? You have like a metal detector. Like what do you do?
1:05>> Uh I call in this guy named Jeremy Riss and he flies down from Boston and he's got a DARPA sweeper and he runs around my whole office uh checking under the chairs, rips the chairs apart, makes sure there's no [laughter] >> Did I send [clears throat] you that clip of when he did that on my podcast >> when after you had the kuryako [laughter] IN THERE? IT'S LIKE >> IT WAS RIGHT AFTER KARA SITTING HERE.
1:28>> I had karaaku in here. Then I had this guy Jeremy Riss and he was ripping apart the chairs looking under it thinking there was a funniest thing in the [ __ ] world, dude.
1:38>> Jesus Christ. Well, you're killing it, bro. It's It's amazing to see how far it's come. I feel like every single episode is like a [ __ ] best hit on YouTube every time. The titles are obviously always something I have to click, but >> yeah.
1:51>> You ever reflect on it? No, not really, man. I just enjoy watching your show. I feel like we both we've both been on a tear lately, bro. It's just crazy. It's crazy to see you guys, you and Joey Deep over here.
2:01>> That's right.
2:02>> Making it happen. I Every day I look on YouTube and you guys are just blowing up, dude. You're like the pure spec uh solo episodes that you're doing.
2:12>> It's incredible, bro. Because the reason I love it, and I've been telling you this for years, and I know you know this, is I've been telling you that your solo episodes from the beginning of your podcast when you were in your mom's house are some of the most entertaining goddamn ever seen in my life. And I only get it on phone calls or on like the first three episodes of your podcast.
2:30And finally, it's actually part of your podcast, which I'm very happy to see, dude, because it's you. It's you being you and it's so refreshing.
2:38>> I appreciate that, bro. It's You know what? You have been telling me that for years since we knew each other. But it's like I think we put out like 30 something of these this year since that started. You though have a library of about 500 of them just you know 470. No one's ever going to hear it [laughter] just on the phone. But like >> I love the one where you're shadow boxing in the beginning. You're like [laughter] >> well that was at the very beginning of the podcast when I did [laughter] a few >> with the [ __ ] rock mullet.
3:09>> Yeah. Hey guys, three quick things.
3:11Number one, if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. It's a huge, huge help. Number two, if you'd like to join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes, you can join via the link in my description or in the pin comment below. And number three, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make content from the show and make money, you can join via the Discord link in my description below. No, but you were encouraging me to do that and it just kind of but it happened very naturally. We just did a Patreon and then, you know, the at the time the 200 patrons were like, "You
3:40must put this public." And we did and then the rest was kind of history, you know.
3:43>> Yeah.
3:44>> It's a crazy year, dude. It feels like every red line's been crossed this year, you know, when when you look at things happening in the world, when you look at things happening at home that people want to sweep under the rug, when you look at, you know, and now even you can't even get away from [ __ ] like flat cameras. It's just like it's one of those years where you are constantly faced with the Did George Orwell write about this? Yes. Is it still happening?
4:08Yes. Are we going to talk about it? I guess we have to.
4:11>> Mhm. Yeah. I get all my news now from not just Tim Dylan, but you every Saturday is just consuming you and Tim Dylan. So, >> it's a hell of a combo.
4:19>> It's a great way to get your news, man.
4:21>> Am I the news guy for >> You're my news guy.
4:24>> I'm like the news >> for whatever it's worth. So, the only problem is now I don't get over the phone. I just have to watch it on YouTube. So, I get to I get to absorb it in chunks.
4:32>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. You get you get sneak previews on the phone. That's where I work out my material and everything, [clears throat] you know?
4:38>> Yeah, for sure. Yeah, man. The whole uh the whole flock AI [ __ ] is so strange.
4:43Like I told you, I didn't really know much about it. I was kind of checked out on it until I was listening to your episode when I called you the other day and uh it's strange. I actually Googled it and I found out there's like hundreds of them in my county in Florida. And they're not just putting like the flot cameras, but they're also hijacking traffic cameras. Apparently, >> they're hijacking traffic.
5:02>> Well, there's, you know, how there's existing traffic red light cameras everywhere. Apparently, they figured out how to put the plug the AI into those >> so they can like corroborate with [clears throat] all the other flot cameras allegedly. That's what I heard.
5:13That's what I read. Anyways, >> yeah, it's like we have the problem with this in our hands at all times, the phone. Like that's a clear There's some clear issues right here for sure. But there's at least the semantics or the illusion of using something like that in the privacy of your home. The illusion of it. At least with this, there's no illusion. It's like you walk out on the street, this thing can track you. You're in a public space. It can invade your privacy that way. It just seems totally anti-American.
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6:09I really appreciate that. Also, the like button is a big help and you can join my newsletter via the link in the description. There's that and then there's the [ __ ] Satalogic [ __ ] that Whitney Webb just wrote about. Did you read that?
6:20>> No. [clears throat] Please.
6:21>> I just read this insane Whitney Webb article that's like on the level of like the True Hoop guy who wrote about the Epstein thing. It took me three and a half days to read it and it's all about this dude named Ameliano Carman. Does that sound familiar?
6:36>> No. He's a Venezuelan dude who has this um he has this power company in Venezuela called Soul Energy and he's been [clears throat] working with uh the Malay dude in Venez or in uh Venezuela Argentina rather.
6:54>> Yeah, this is the article right here.
6:55It's [ __ ] crazy, dude.
6:57>> Ailio car.
6:59>> Yeah. So, so this guy has a company called Satalogic where he's been launching satellites into space in partnership with NASA, Palunteer, and Open AI.
7:10>> Yeah. Let's just get let's go to the menu and just take all the [ __ ] entre all the chef special.
7:14>> Yeah.
7:15>> So, it's not just like 3D Google Earth level [ __ ] but it's like that on steroids and live feed 247. You know how you can get footage, you know, DARPA and all these guys can get like a shot of a guy sitting on a park drinking a cup of coffee reading the newspaper pretty like they could probably read the newspaper.
7:32That's how >> reading his [ __ ] mind.
7:33>> That's how good the satellites are now.
7:35This shit's like next level. This [ __ ] can probably read their mind. And it's like combined with AI and [clears throat and cough] there's all this money going into it right now with Palunteer AI or Palanteer Open AI and NASA. So this guy Carman, he's also tied into Elon and all those PayPal dudes like Patil and uh it's this just this crazy partnership of all these super big tech billionaires that are investing all this money into this uh Stargate Argentina.
8:06>> Stargate that is so [ __ ] dark.
8:09>> It's in Patagonia and they're investing all this money into these data centers in Patagonia. Yeah, bro. this huge data center that Mele is trying to get installed down there. And they got the contract with uh Sam Alman to run the whole thing as soon as it gets built.
8:23It's like $25 billion or something.
8:25>> Isn't he selling off land? I'm going to pull up Deep's got something right here in one second. Isn't he selling off land in Patagonia though, too, to like highest bidder, right?
8:33>> Uh I think so. I think so. Yeah.
8:34>> My >> Yeah, he's Well, he's trying to do that and they're trying to they're trying to do all kinds of crazy It's all just [ __ ] wealth extraction [ __ ] That's all it is. The guy the guy's just trying to make tons of [ __ ] money off Argentina and he's lying to all the people trying to get them out of there, trying to move the people out of the land and sell it off so they can bring in all these AI companies to build these data centers. And they're lying to all the people telling them that's going to bring in jobs. Well, you got you got the carman guy on camera saying this ain't going to bring no jobs to Argentina.
9:03>> Wait, he's on camera saying that?
9:04>> He there's an there's a she linked to an interview of him on camera saying that.
9:08Yeah, >> find it. Let me read this. Then you have Mele saying it's going to bring in jobs for everyone. It's going to create more for the economy. But you have his business partner, the Satellogic guy, who's a part of this whole thing, saying it's going to do the opposite.
9:18>> Yeah. I also don't like that we're calling him his business partner, too.
9:21>> It's like a [ __ ] sitting head of state, right?
9:24>> Like what the [ __ ] are we doing? What?
9:26So De, you have this highlight right here. Silicon Valley to an impressive and unprecedented degree. He has developed generous tax benefit schemes for foreign US big tech firms. This is referring to this Milliano guy to operate in the country while offering those that seek to park their data centers or I'm sorry this is referring to Milelay their data centers in the country next to the regulation regarding their construction or operation. Earlier this year, Milelay wrote an editorial in the Financial Times where he invited AI to free itself. That's not weird at all.
9:55and [clears throat] proposed allowing AI run companies with no humans involved to operate in his country. While some pointed out that the statutes the statements seem to value AI activity over human activity, that is not an isolated incident. For instance, one adviser in Milelay's inner circle, Damian Ryel, has controversially argued that humans are in fact Argentina's biggest problem, particularly in Argentine Patagonia, because they present an obstacle to AI infrastructure and development in the region. Now, I you know, Danny, I I'm not I feel like I'm not putting on too much of a tinfoil hat here, but it's not a good look for
10:34like what is he a 55year-old head of state? I think he's like [clears throat] unmarried without kids to be talking about and having people in his in his inner circle talking about humans being the >> Yeah.
10:45>> obstacle.
10:46>> Scroll down. Look at the photo of him posing with Sam Alman. It's [ __ ] hilarious. [clears throat] >> It's just like >> And you wanted a video of him, too.
10:55>> There's a link to a video in there. Oh, that's Ray Kerszswall. That's weird, too. This thing is so This whole article is so deep.
11:01>> Oh, there's Elon.
11:02>> Yeah, there's Elon and all the all his buddies that are all tied into all this stuff. James Cameron.
11:08>> You seen that?
11:09>> Yeah. Yeah. James Cameron on the left hand side. Yeah.
11:13>> So, there's this dude who is that in that photo. Who's that guy on the left right there?
11:18>> You know who that guy is, Julian?
11:19>> Michael Griffin.
11:20>> Michael Griffin. What do you know about?
11:21You know about Michael Griffin?
11:22>> Is that the hedge fund guy?
11:24>> He used to be the CEO of um that AI investment company P uh Incutel. He was the CEO of Inqel and then he was in 2005 they made him the head of NASA.
11:36And this guy's like best buddies with Elon and this carman dude. And they're all connected with Teal at the same time. [laughter] Dude, she's connecting so many dots in this article. It's great. It's hilarious.
11:50>> Why does everything and I mean this genuinely, why [snorts] does everything come back to Peter Teal these days? Like when if you do the old Jim Dioro line, just follow the money. The money always goes to him.
12:00>> Yeah, >> we can look at it politically. We can look at it technologically. We can look at it through financial transactions.
12:07You can look at it through the [ __ ] Epstein files. The money finds its way back to Peter Teal. And I also talked to someone recently who would know I'll say that >> that like your source >> his [clears throat] net worth >> is way below like excuse me way above where it's reported to be. I don't even know what it's reported at these days, but like he's a [ __ ] gazillionaire.
12:30>> Apparently he's got and I think this one has been reported. He's got like5 or $6 billion in a [ __ ] Roth IRA or something.
12:38>> Wow.
12:38>> I don't even know how that's possible.
12:40>> Just on the Vanguard. Just on the S&P 500 getting 10%.
12:43>> [ __ ] if [laughter] I I'm sure it's not in that, but like >> Call [laughter] Big Es camera will tell us.
12:51>> But like Yeah. 32 billion to 33 billion is his reported net worth. And I was told it's way higher than that.
12:58>> Yeah.
13:00So, [clears throat] another like very interesting thing about that whole story was is that there's this huge push in like the early 2000s when they were sitting in that in those chairs during that meeting to move NASA private and basically privatize all the space industry like the whole all of the >> NASA itself >> NASA specifically well not like NASA the the [ __ ] label NASA right like that's still going to exist but they were trying to basically gut the bureaucracy like the government bureaucracy of NASA and privatize everything. Bring all the talent private. That's how they created and funded SpaceX and uh there was the
13:36NASA AIM center, I guess, in California where they're doing all kinds of private stuff and all this satellite stuff like the Satalogic thing. [clears throat] >> The satellic thing >> like this Satalogic thing combined with Palunteer and all this other AI [ __ ] What are you doing?
13:48>> Keep going. You're good.
13:49>> Oh, okay. Keep rolling. He's adjusting the cameras, folks.
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15:08Link in my description below. JDP22 as your code at checkout for 22% off your first order. Um, uh, should I be like Matan over here? And [laughter] >> he already did You see what he did to your [ __ ] table?
15:22>> Yeah, dude. That's great. It's great. He added character to it. I love it.
15:24>> Yeah, he did add a little character.
15:25>> Yeah, it's like a story behind every stain.
15:27>> Yeah, he was like, "You're going to have to fly up this Danny Jones to help build you."
15:32I was like, "All right, >> what's his is he Israeli?"
15:35>> He's half Israeli, half something in Asia.
15:38>> Okay. And he didn't break character at all?
15:40>> No, >> not once off air. Well, at when we finished it was like watching. We'll come back to what Danny was talking about everyone. But we're talking about Maton Evan. If if you haven't watched his content, he's [ __ ] hilarious. But like he does this bit character where he plays this like right-wing troll.
15:56>> And I would say when we finished it was like watching a video game character clitch a little bit. Like you know when they're like spawning in but then it like glitches and they spawn out. He'd be like he'd be like, "Fuck yourself."
16:08He's like, "Yeah, no, that was really good, man." I'm like, "What? Which one is it?" [laughter] Like, all right. I just I'm I'm in hell.
16:14I just for the last two hours, 10 minutes, I was just like lobbing [ __ ] >> fastballs back and forth. But, >> all right, back to Palunteer.
16:22>> Yeah. [laughter] >> So, so this 2005 push to privatize all this [ __ ] was Elon and Teal were like huge behind this stuff as well as this Michael Griffin dude, right? So he was the head of NASA and through NASA he gave I guess teal I'm again everything I'm saying is not this is all pure >> all coming from this Whitney web article okay so I didn't do this research I just read the stupid article and so [clears throat] all of this [ __ ] money and all this talent started flowing into these companies and basically like what I glean from this whole thing is what they're doing is they're trying to take all of this like
16:56government power and and uh technology and move it private so they can make the money off it directly, right? And there's also [ __ ] they can do like the other thing I think is there was that uh what the [ __ ] is that guy is John Po Dexter the DARPA guy. Yes. Who was the total information awareness guy who was trying to push that through Congress and got shut down because it was just too draconian and they was too like way too much for the early 2000. I think it was early 2000s after 911 I believe.
17:26>> So >> too draconian right after 911.
17:28>> Right after 911, right? That's hard to do. So, so, uh, he wanted to do the total information awareness thing. And I guess what they did was was everything, all the technology that Palunteer's gotten is basically the same [ __ ] that DARPA wanted to do with the total information awareness. It's just privatized now. So, now it's not the government doing, it's a company doing it. It's Peter Teal.
17:49>> And can we Google when Palunteer was founded officially? I just want to >> tie together some timelines here.
17:55>> I love the way you tell him to Google [ __ ] You already know the answer to it.
17:57[laughter] I think I think you're cooking.
18:00>> Yeah. May 6th, 2003.
18:02>> Very, very convenient timing right there. You know, >> and they got one of their first financial backings from InQel itself, which is also tying into what you said.
18:11>> Oh, yeah. The other guy who was the CEO, right? So, >> Lonel, >> uh, no, no, no. Um, Michael Griffin, CEO of InQel and then moved to NASA. Yeah.
18:21>> Right.
18:23So, and then combining that with the whole satellogic thing and how you have all these incestuous people, they're they're all like one big family and they're just incorporating all of their different companies into one thing and it just seems like I don't know what's scarier like when you have these AI doomsday whistleblowers talking about like how AI is going to take over the world or is that just like some limited hangout uh to distract us from this crazy [ __ ] with the satellites and the total information awareness? is tracking everything with AI and like it also talks about these digital clones of
19:00>> digital clones >> digital clones where they want to make clones. If you just command search that it'll talk about this. It wants to create using the Satalogic company digital clones of all the people in Argentina through social media and their whole digital footprint to do predictive policing basically.
19:19>> Oh Jesus. That's like [ __ ] >> what's that movie?
19:22>> Minority Report.
19:23>> Minority Report [ __ ] >> Yeah. And that's that's what all these guys are super into. This predictive policing stuff.
19:30>> All right. So, in an interview earlier this year with Forbes Argentina, Kjamin remarked that Merlin will soon allow us to do things we never imagined. With AI and Merlin, we can begin to predict the future. As noted in previous reporting from Unlimited Hangout, which is Whitney Webb's blog, a longtime major focus of Palunteer is predictive analytics, particularly predictive policing, often referred to as pre-rime. And this is where, like, I mean, you you heard Ellison just talking about this openly.
19:58He didn't use the words predictive policing, but he was at that conference, whatever that was a couple months ago, and he's just going through he's like, "What the fuck?" Like, we're we're just, you know, everyone will be on their best behavior because cameras will be watching them at all times. evaluating everything they do, all their behaviors.
20:13>> It's like, my brother in Christ, this is not China. Like, this is America, my friend. What are what the [ __ ] are you talking about?
20:20>> Right? You know, even Jen was telling me all the stuff, the cameras and the AI that they have to surveil, all the stuff that they have in China to surveil [clears throat] everybody is nowhere near, according to him, as sophisticated as the stuff in the US.
20:33[snorts and clears throat] He was saying like, you know how we hear the stories of like the gate tracking technology and the facial tracking recognition technology they have for everyone walking around China combined with the WeChat chat and all that stuff.
20:43He's like, eh, he's like, "It's not that impressive compared to the >> That's what a good CCP agent."
20:48>> That's what a great CCP agent would say.
20:50Yeah, [snorts] >> that's what he would say. I saw some videos.
20:52>> He had nothing good to say about China.
20:54>> That was interesting because I I listened to about three of of the four hours of that podcast. He when you asked him where he'd rather live, he right away was like the United States >> and then and then where would he and he was like where [clears throat] would he rather rule? He's like oh China. There's no rules. You can do what you want.
21:09>> Right.
21:10>> Very very interesting. But I don't know like I saw a lot of dystopian videos out of China during co where they'd have drones watching the house and stuff >> and I some of my thought process on that is really influenced by that book Kyu Lee wrote in 2018 AI superpowers. It's about basically like the AI race between China and the US. And when he laid out like the four dimensions of how you measure who's winning the race and the fact that it was like two to two at the time because China had stolen so much IP and used it for themselves over the years. I mean that's back in 2018. So now there's no they don't have a
21:48constitution in that way. Like there's no guard rails on what they're on what they can do. So I don't know if I believe him that it's not dystopian.
21:55Where I think he might be making a fair point though is that people here who are in denial of what our capabilities in are what these companies capabilities are >> for our people in America if they were given a loophole to put that into place I'm sure are insane and I'll bet they are better.
22:14>> Yeah. Yeah. It's just the way he was talking about it seemed uh [clears throat] I don't know. You're right. If I was a C CCP agent I probably would be saying the same thing. He you know his his overall spiel was that like everything that Xihinping is doing and that like that government is doing even with their techn technology top technology companies and stuff like that is not that impressive and it's not that strategic and they're they're like they're not thinking that far ahead. I did. I didn't. But this is the same place though that you know made >> what was it the [ __ ] Belt and Road Initiative that went like all this
22:50stuff. I'm like oh my god they were they were borderline a third world country in 1999. They're not a third world country now.
22:56>> It's a fast move.
22:58>> And like I always think of the world I you don't want to oversimplify it >> but like the three most important letters when it comes to the world are actually G, D, and P, right? and they're the other place that has the highest GDP besides us. So, it's like if ever our currency in America were going to be unseated or something, they're the first candidate that would be pulling it off.
23:22>> That's what I worry about.
23:23>> Did you hear what he was saying about how all the billionaires there, they can only invest 50,000 a year in US currency because I guess the >> what is their currency called again?
23:33What's that word? I always forget what the No, it's not yen. It's the other one. It's uh Joey De will find it.
23:40[laughter] It's a weird name. It's a weird name.
23:41>> Joey De should know it. He's Chinese.
23:43>> No, it's not Huan. It's a different It's a different thing. It's a different word. It's like three four syllables.
23:49>> Chinese. Just type in China. Yeah.
23:50Chinese currency.
23:51>> Don't I won't try to say it.
23:54Will get cancelled if I try to say it.
23:56>> Renman B.
23:57>> Yes. Renman B. Renman B.
23:59>> So that so that currency is not it can't doesn't translate with the US. So what these guys do only allowed to if you're worth a billion dollars, $50,000 a year is going to get you nowhere.
24:09>> That's right.
24:09>> So he was explaining that they're laundering money through the cartels. So they're using the cartels >> who are sitting on tons of US cash to go to the US, buy them shitloads of real estate and [ __ ] >> and then what they do in turn is do business and trade with the cartels.
24:27[laughter] So, it's a perfect way for the cartels to launder their money and for the Chinese to diversify their wealth into the US economy. How [ __ ] crazy is that?
24:36>> It's genius.
24:37>> It's so genius.
24:38>> It's [ __ ] genius cuz like they can you like give them this credit. They can use like the realm of democracy. I'm putting that in air quotes cuz we're really struggling with that over here.
24:50that they can use like the freedoms that are afforded under our constitution >> against us by using that system against us because they don't follow those rules and clearly we don't follow a lot of them here as well but there's at least the guise of it >> right you can't just go round up people because you're like yeah >> right >> I think so >> obviously that still happens but you know what I mean it can't happen at the scale >> right >> that it happens every I [clears throat] mean they could throw Jack Ma in a dungeon and >> what are you going to do about that >> that's the Alibaba guy right >> yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He disappeared
25:21for a while, right? So, he disappeared and I guess no one found him and then he ended up in Japan.
25:25>> Yeah.
25:26>> You were paying more attention to that than I was. I just remembered that like everyone was talking about this crazy trillionaire disappeared. No one's seen him in forever and then he eventually popped up again. There was a crazy conference.
25:38This had to be back in 2017, 2018, maybe 2019, something like that, where Elon Musk and Jack Ma were on a stage together. Jack Ma's English like isn't amazing. It, you know, he talks slower and more deliberately >> getting through it. But there they were talking about like I want to say it was like the future of AI and technology and everything and Jack Mile was basically saying I'm going to translate make love not war all good and Elon's like I don't I don't think so. And it is just the most awkward 2 hours of the two of them going back and forth and then he disappeared very shortly after that.
26:19>> Whoa.
26:19>> Yeah, it was it was interesting.
26:21>> How long was he gone for?
26:23>> Can we Google that? It was a while.
26:25Where is he now? Is he in like Japan or something?
26:27>> Yeah, he moved to Japan.
26:28>> Good.
26:28>> That's where Jang wants to move. Japan.
26:30Everyone talks about how great Japan is.
26:32>> Four to five years. It says >> four to five years he was in this.
26:35>> What was that about? What the [ __ ] was he doing for four to five I mean they they they came they bagged his head and they said he ain't going to say anything pal.
26:41>> You think that's what happened?
26:43>> I mean >> in China it says >> he's in China right now. Well that's what Google AI >> that's where [clears throat] his company that's where his company's in China >> right >> but he used to have lots of political power according to Jen in China and not anymore. Now he's lost all >> power. He's got he had political power.
26:58>> He said he had power somehow. Somehow he had power in China. I don't know how but he's lost all of that now. Now he's just in Japan and nowhere near as wealthy as he used to be. Maybe he had to sell off a bunch of his company or give more p more control to the CCP.
27:12>> Yeah. I don't I I feel like power is a facade there, >> you know, like unless you're sitting in the remember when they we we were talking about it when we did the pod with with Bamante and and and Jim together back in 2022 when they bagged the former leader like in the middle of the CCP meeting. Remember that? You watched the video and they ripped they just ripped him out of there.
27:34>> Holy [ __ ] I forgot about it.
27:35>> Like he was like royal. He was like chairman, if you will.
27:38>> Yeah. That guy was like generational.
27:39>> He was literally royalty and G's just sitting there. And >> that's how they treat their elders. They just [ __ ] bl they bl brown bag him in the middle of a press conference.
27:48>> Did that guy die? Can we He They didn't kill him at the time. He was another one. It was like Jack Ma where they're like, "Oh, so sad.
27:57>> Sit over here.
27:57>> That's terrible." But the the guy that >> at least they don't hide it though.
28:01>> 2022 China CCP [clears throat] meeting leader escorted out. I got to get his name and then we can see like what became of him. I mean he was he was a [ __ ] fossil. He was like 90 or something.
28:14>> Who? Gentile. Now where is he today?
28:16[laughter] >> Who? Gentile.
28:18>> Uh >> uh. [laughter] >> Is he dead?
28:24>> He's retired.
28:25>> Oh, he's retired. We we retired him.
28:27>> He retires and lives privately in China, making very few public appearances.
28:32>> He stepped down as secretary general of the Chinese Communist Party in 2012. He was the guy before Xi Jinping as president in 2013. He lives in a quiet retired life out of the political spotlight. He rarely appears in public.
28:43One of his last major public appearances was in December 2022 at a state funeral for former leader Jen Zamin. So that was after the Congress incident which was when he was escorted off at the closing ceremony of the 20th Communist Party Congress in October 2022. State media [clears throat] later reported that he had felt unwell.
29:03>> Mhm. [laughter] >> He's been largely out of use since.
29:07>> Yeah. One of the other things that was really interesting to me was how he was explaining all like the red nobility from when Mao was in power. All those old dudes. Uh they live in the US.
29:20the guys who were in power under >> the red nobility. Yeah, those guys are now they live they came here for the education and for like the economic opportunity.
29:31>> How old are these guys?
29:32>> I don't know. Maybe it's like them.
29:34These most of these guys might be dead, but I'm sure they're like their families are still living here. But he's basically saying the most powerful people that run China, they all live in the US and they control it remotely from here. And they use China, they treat it as like their plantation. They treat it as like a plantation economy.
29:52>> But [snorts] does he think they're working on behalf of like the future of China or they're just biling China?
29:58>> They're just milking China. They're >> great CCP agent.
30:00>> Yeah.
30:01>> You got to divert attention [laughter] from what you're doing. Okay. Many descendants of China's communist elite, often called the Red Nobility or Princlings, have lived, studied, or held assets in the United States. Numerous children and grandchildren of high-ranking Chinese Communist Party officials have attended elite American universities such as Harvard and the University of Rochester. For example, Xihinping's daughter Zenay studied at Harvard University under an we let the guy's [ __ ] daughter study.
30:29>> Another feather in the hat of Professor Jen.
30:31>> What are we doing?
30:32>> Yeah.
30:32>> All right. No disrespect to her, but like go to China. Relatives of foundational figures like Deng Xiaiong, the son of Xi Fang, who earned a physics PhD in Rochester, have spent significant time pursuing academic and professional ventures in the US.
30:48>> Mhm.
30:51Someone has to let this stuff happen, though. That's what I can't >> What do you mean >> get around? This stuff doesn't people like this don't live here without people in positions of power here being like okie do >> right >> you're good to go.
31:10>> These pro these guys are probably like invested up to their eyeballs in companies here and land here and they probably just own so much and they probably lobby politicians here. They probably have they probably have a good amount of power.
31:23>> Probably >> probably more than the people who get to give them the thumbs up, you know, at least some of them. I would imagine if they've lived here for that long and they got all that money.
31:32>> What about the people who pay the people who give the thumbs up? That's what I want to know. [laughter] >> Well, that's us, but I'm saying like the donors and stuff, the donor class, >> right?
31:42>> Cuz it's everything.
31:43>> These guys probably are part of the donor class, right?
31:45>> Of course they are. But I'm saying like, do you think they're on a donor class level as like the Silicon Valley guys?
31:51>> Probably not.
31:52>> Probably not. Yeah. You know what I mean? Not not on the level of the Adens's.
31:55>> Not on the for sure. Not on the level of like the Israeli lobby, for sure.
31:59>> Right.
32:00>> So, it's like >> they probably got they got some swinging swinging dicks, you know? They got some sort of power. They got their they got their their hooks in somewhere, I imagine. I don't know.
32:08>> But you would, you know, and also if they're [ __ ] if they're doing that [ __ ] with the cartels, how the [ __ ] do they let that happen?
32:15Well, we're working with them.
32:16>> These same guys have all this wealth tied up in China. They're trying to diversify into the US while they're living here and using the cartels as a conduit. And we let that happen. That's pretty That's pretty [ __ ] crazy.
32:29>> It's [ __ ] crazy. But also, why are the cartels existing at such a high level of power as they do when they're also even now designated terrorist organizations? You got to wonder if it's like the fixes in, >> right? I mean, I've had a guy sitting in that seat that worked on behalf of the CIA undercover to work with the cartels, not to stop them.
32:47>> Oh, really? Who's that?
32:48>> Matt Hedger.
32:49>> Oh, wow.
32:50>> He's a knock.
32:50>> Was he the knock? I remember the knock.
32:52>> And it's like, your national security, big air quotes I'm saying right there, better >> better be some [ __ ] biblical [ __ ] if you're going to be doing that.
33:05>> Mhm.
33:06>> And I'm not so sure that's the case. I think that's just the excuse. Oh, you know, national security.
33:11>> Yeah, >> that's what they always do.
33:12>> It's a great way to launder money.
33:13>> It's a great way.
33:14>> It's a great way to hide illegal activities that you're performing under the >> for the state [snorts] of America.
33:20>> It feels like the wealth accumulation that's happening right now at the highest levels openly.
33:28Like in the past, they could do this behind closed doors. No one ever knows about it. There's no internet. Right now with the internet, they know people can find this out. People can find out >> how much stock they hold in different things. People can find out the investments they're making in weird companies and stuff like that. People can track down all the [ __ ] that they got their hands in.
33:45>> But they continue to do it deliberately >> and openly finger in your face when you know the average American only has $500 or less in their bank account. You would think like optically speaking they'd be a little more careful about it, >> but they're not. And I really want to know why they're that brazen. if it's just that they're actually that arrogant beyond the point of, you know, >> Yeah.
34:11>> no return or >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
34:14>> Right.
34:15>> It's because I mean my brain goes to it's because they're so close to having total control over everything where no one can make a difference no matter what they think. It doesn't even matter anymore.
34:27You know, it's like I was talking to to Jang about this too cuz he I was telling we were talking about the whole is Israeli lobby thing and how the issue of Israel has become just out of control in the US and you and I have talked about this end endlessly the stuff about BB just being straight up frank like you you read the book on him and you talk about how smart the guy is but he's saying [ __ ] out loud that is like so counterintuitive to what you do you would do if you wanted people in wanted to promote a good PR campaign and in the United States on behalf of Israel. He's doing the opposite of it.
35:00>> That's right.
35:01>> So, [snorts] like it's almost like So, Jen's take on that is basically they don't care because it's the end times.
35:05They're bringing the Messiah and it's going to be he called it Gog and Magog and he's like it's going to be doomsday.
35:11Everyone's going to be raptured. It's a wrap. They don't give a [ __ ] That's why they're basically trying to hasten the end times.
35:17>> But why is he doing that? Why is Netanyahu doing that if he's literally atheist?
35:22>> Right. That's that's what I asked him.
35:24And uh he said it's not Netanyahu, it's the people that are above Netanyahu.
35:30Basically like uh the Adelins and the people that are all tied to the Chabbad stuff.
35:34>> He basically said the Chabbad Lubich, he loves the Chabbad stuff.
35:38>> He basically said uh the Chabbad runs the world. They think he's the Messiah.
35:42and uh all these huge Silicon Valley Valley Valley billionaires and all the banking families like including the Adles and the Rockefellers and all them they all like will do whatever the chbad >> the rock now how does it >> maybe maybe I made up the Rockefellers is be the point is all the wealthiest people basically that are running the world they all worship the chabbad and they all believe in his esquetology and >> can you explain the chbad to people who aren't familiar with >> No I can't why don't You should explain Shabbat. You know way more about it than I do.
36:14>> He's some crazy looking [ __ ] cult leader who thinks the end times are coming and all these rich people worship him.
36:19>> You're right about that. And it was and it was like so Rabbi Schneersen >> Yes.
36:24>> was the guy and he's dead now >> and he's got a grave in Brooklyn. Very fitting.
36:29>> It's the video of Trump and Ben Shapiro, right? They went to >> and Howard Lutnick >> and Oh, and Howard [laughter] Lut optically speaking. Oh, find the photo.
36:42I need Lutnik, Shapiro, and Trump kissing the grave of Schneersen >> right before the election, too, I think.
36:47>> Right. Right.
36:48>> Right.
36:48>> Little good luck charm.
36:50>> But [clears throat] yeah, he's >> so like, why would they do that?
36:53[laughter] >> Why would Trump do that? Cuz I told him I don't think Trump has his an ounce of religiosity in him either.
37:01>> Yeah, there it is.
37:02>> There it is.
37:04>> Yeah. Look at that.
37:05>> Got to pay the respects.
37:06>> Yeah. Like you said, >> his grave though, right there. Yeah, he's boy he's [ __ ] buried in New York.
37:12>> Yeah, of all places. Why not the Mount of Olives? [laughter] They gave that to >> Yeah. Why not? Why not Mount of Olives?
37:19Like old Robert.
37:20>> Yeah.
37:21>> No, they kept him in New York.
37:23[laughter] >> [ __ ] >> Look at Trump. He's like, "What am I [ __ ] doing here?"
37:28>> He's like, "Yeah, I win because of this."
37:29>> Lord. [laughter] >> So, yeah. Yeah, I don't I I don't agree with Jen that I don't believe he he thinks that Netanyahu and Trump are uh they believe in the religious stuff. I don't think they have an ounce of religiosity in them. I just think they're doing whatever the billionaires are telling him. And I think the billionaires probably do believe some of that kooky [ __ ] you know. [snorts] >> But my point was we got way off. That was kind of like a tangential analogy.
37:53My my analogy was uh in the same way that those religious people think that it's end time. So they're kind of like rushing rushing to do everything without trying to hide it. the AI people are doing everything they're doing and not trying to hide it because maybe they're just so close to total [ __ ] control it doesn't matter anymore.
38:11>> Well, if it doesn't m That's another part I can't quite square. Why are some of these same people then going to guys like Doug Rushkoff, assuming that the end times are here, the event as they would call it? I mean, you talked to Doug too, so you know about this, >> and getting his advice on like how to make sure their [ __ ] security doesn't kill them when it happens and they come out of the bunker.
38:36>> Yeah.
38:36>> So, like, are you really in control if you don't even have a scenario to figure that part out? That seems like a really >> Yeah.
38:43>> You know.
38:44>> Mhm. [clears throat] and a world without money.
38:47>> Yeah. Yeah. They probably haven't thought it through that far.
38:51But on the way there, as far as like public discourse goes and what it looks like, what stocks they're trading or whatever [ __ ] weird shady partnerships they have with Malay and Argentina, like let the cat out of the bag. Who cares? People are going to be like stuck in their ideological trenches online arguing about it either way. So the truth doesn't even matter. This is the I have the same This is the way I look at the moon landing, too. It doesn't [ __ ] matter. You either believe the moon landing happened or you believe it don't. There's nothing I can tell you that's going to convince you
39:19otherwise because you're already stuck in your [ __ ] camp. Either you're anti- everything or you uh r you don't the people that are on the moonlanding camp on the pro moonlanding side. Most of the time those guys are believing in that stuff and arguing for it because they're like attached to some institution where if they come out and if they question it they're not going to have their job anymore. So, it's like no one can be in the middle and give a rational argument to it that's going to change anyone's mind. They're already stuck in their lane.
39:49>> Yeah. Hey guys, if you haven't already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It's a huge huge help. Thank you.
39:54>> I've always I've always believed on that one that and you've done some great work on this talking to like serious people in the field. I've always believed on that one that every country around the world including our allies would have had a reason to disprove us doing it.
40:10But what I think might actually be a real scenario here is that the production of it and like how they did it and said, "Oh, here we are on the moon." was not what it was. And that was not actually there.
40:22>> Yeah.
40:22>> And so maybe they went and then if you really want to go down the rabbit hole, >> maybe they found some [ __ ] that was like, >> "Yeah, >> can't phone home on that one."
40:30>> And they're like, "Get Kubric in here."
40:32And you know, [laughter] listen, he'll be he'll be able to fix this. And then, you know, >> oh man, I love how Kubric connects all the dots to everything we're talking about, >> bro. [laughter] That that that [ __ ] was that [ __ ] was cooking. Joey, >> he connects. He's the octopus that connects everything. It's But yeah, no, I I I I hedge sometimes depending on who I'm talking to uh when I'm talking about the moon landing on my show and I'll say like I think maybe they went but they had a backup plan with the video that they filmed in the Air Force base according to Bart Sabrrell. But I don't
41:07think they went.
41:08>> You don't think they went?
41:09>> I don't I I don't if I had a gun to my head, I would say they didn't go.
41:12>> Now you were there with the Apollo astronaut Charles, what was his name again? Duke.
41:16>> Charles Duke.
41:17>> Yeah. And then >> I think Apollo [snorts] 16 or Apollo 17, I don't remember, but he was one of He was the youngest guy who ever went to the moon. He was like >> I was on the moon.
41:26>> He was like 30 years old when he went to the moon.
41:29>> And uh yeah, so I had him on with with with Bart Sabrell who they the the moon the anti-mooners couldn't have a worse mascot in my opinion. Uh I think it might be on purpose.
41:41>> I agree. I think that they might have been they might be using him to discredit the people who question the moon landing because he does a terrible job and his arguments are all disproven in my in my view. Uh especially the shadow argument that's the most out of all of them and um [laughter] it's just yeah anyways that that whole thing was a [ __ ] show and Charlie Duke didn't convince me that we went to the moon at all. You know the guy was super sharp for being 90. Me and him had like a 30-minute conversation. I picked him up at the airport myself the night before.
42:14>> We talked about all kinds of [ __ ] on the ride home. Like the guy was sharp as attack.
42:17>> What was he telling you?
42:19>> He was talking about like Elon stuff, Elon's Mars uh ambitions and telling teaching me about like explaining to me how all the rockets that Elon is working on, how they work, why they're more economical.
42:32Um talking about >> Oh, high level [ __ ] >> Oh, yeah. He was talking very high above my head.
42:38>> Wow. And um and this was like nine o'clock at night. This guy's 90. Usually past nine o'c 7 o'clock. People over 90 aren't together very well. They're usually cooked. Yeah.
42:49>> So, but this guy was on fire.
42:52>> And [snorts] uh even the next day when we went to record the I should have >> you should have done that.
42:57>> He's probably been to every titty bar already. He's >> Imagine going to a Tampa titty bar with an >> It wouldn't be the same. I wouldn't want to ruin his memory of what they used to be in the '8s. Well, you No, you you could take him to the one that's like the spaceship outside.
43:10>> It's not what it's like anymore, bro. If you if he went there, you'd be disappointed.
43:16>> That's neither here nor there.
43:17>> Um, [laughter] the next day I walked him into the studio. Bart was already in the studio. Charlie walks up to Bark. Bart shakes his hand and goes, "You're the man who called me on the phone 20 years ago and told me this, this, and this." Like verbatim remembered it. the phone call that when Bart called him 20 years ago and uh Bart was like, "Holy [ __ ] how did you remember that?" And then we get on the podcast and this guy's playing Alzheimer's. He's he's playing the Alzheimer's card. Like ultimate gaslighting us on like, "Why are we here? Are we talking about going to the moon? You don't think I went to the
43:55moon?" And I'm like, "What are you doing?" Like me and him had six different phone calls leading up to that, like in the 3 months prior talking about this stuff. The guy's super sharp.
44:03>> Maybe he's got stage. I don't know what he was doing, man. Uh, and if I went to the moon, I would have more words to use than it was exciting. I was just excited. I'm on the moon. I'm on the moon. I would have a few more words to agree what that experience was like, you know?
44:20>> Yeah. It'd be like It's the kind of thing where you're saying all these you're saying so many things that can't even possibly get across the depth, but to the average person when you hear it, you're like, "Oh my god."
44:32>> Yeah. you know, like what's left on set is still 90% crazier.
44:38>> But yeah, it was you I listen I thought you did a really good job with that one cuz it was like being a matador in there with one guy who's like you said maybe pretending, right?
44:48>> It's very possible, right?
44:49>> That like he's not all with it and the other guy's like, "So you're saying that you went to the [laughter] moon >> 30 times swear on a Bible?" [laughter] you know, like, "Oh my god."
45:02>> I was worried he was going to bring a [ __ ] Bible into that podcast.
45:05>> He didn't bring a Bible.
45:06>> He didn't. I called him before. I'm like, "Are you bringing a Bible? Just tell me now." And he's like, "No, I'm not going to do that. I'm a I'm a born again Christian. I've found my faith.
45:13I've found Jesus Christ. I'm not >> Oh, he found Jesus. You found him on the moon."
45:16>> Maybe. No. Probably doesn't exist.
45:19[laughter] >> But, uh, yeah, he uh it was it was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. And, uh, like I said, I'm not convinced. And the whole the craziest thing about it all to me, which he doesn't really he doesn't really harp on this much, but the Gus Gryom thing on Apollo, the first Apollo mission or the first Apollo launch, he was like he was throwing a fit, talking to the media, did a press release in front of the [ __ ] rocket and held a lemon over it.
45:47And he was complaining. He's like, "We can't communicate on a VHF radio between two buildings and you think we're going to take this thing to the [ __ ] moon?"
45:55like he was pissed and there's a lot of people talking about that [snorts] >> and you know he died in the fire >> of that first Apollo mission when before it got off the pad the thing [ __ ] lit on fire cuz there was like an oxygen issue or whatever. I don't know how he died or if there was a conspiracy behind that but uh I mean you can just read the tea leaves on this and I mean I don't need I don't need to say [ __ ] All you got to do is watch the footage, >> you know.
46:20>> Can we can we pull that? What's his name again?
46:22>> Uh Gus Gryom.
46:23>> Gus Gryom. And I mean when I talk about the footage, I mean like the footage of the actual like lunar lander leaving the surface, the guys bouncing around and all that stuff. Like if I showed you that footage and you had you you had no idea that anyone had ever been to the moon and I go I show you this Apollo footage of the moon and I say, "Hey Julian, I went to the moon." You're like, "Fuck you. You didn't go to the moon." I'm like, "Yeah, I got footage.
46:42Look, this is this is my lunar lander taking off from the moon. You walk pull it up. Pull up the lunar lander leaving the surface of the moon [laughter] and the camera panning and following it.
46:52You wouldn't [ __ ] believe me.
46:54There's no no shot.
46:56>> I got to see the footage again. That was like a 4 hour and something podcast.
47:00That one you did with the two of them.
47:01>> I think it was over four hours.
47:04>> It was over four hours. The footage is just >> I think Deep's got it right here. So, we'll check. So, [snorts] this is >> There's so many There's just >> I think that's got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
47:15That's what we want. This is what you're looking for, Dan.
47:17>> Uh, no. Type in uh type in uh lunar lunar lander. leaving surface of moon.
47:25[sighs] >> It'll it'll come up >> because that one it's it's the craziest one. I think it was one of the Apollo mission. Yeah, there it is. It's that short.
47:32>> Oh, you're Oh, you're >> that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
47:36>> So, Julian, this is my spaceship.
47:39>> Well, I went to the >> Hold on. You're missing context right here. Now, role play it. We're Stanley Kubric and we're like, "All right, I got I got it." Three, two, >> catch it.
47:49>> Got it. Got it.
47:52Cut. Cut. Cut. Wait. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going [laughter] to need I'm need to see a little more action on the initial liftoff. Let's get a second run at this.
47:59[laughter] CGI will take care of the rest.
48:03>> I told you I went to the moon.
48:07>> Yeah. There's no shot. There's no shot.
48:09We went to the [ __ ] moon, dude.
48:13I wonder I I wonder about how so you talk about the technology and stuff and being able to communicate which is a valid question and then I'm like >> Andy Jacobson saying DARPA was telepathically talking to dolphins in 1992. It's like >> how far ahead were these [ __ ] Nazi scientists, right?
48:30>> You know, like what what did they figure out? cuz that's another thing I've never squared with World War II and the, you know, like the talent level they had within like their rocket program and stuff at in in in Nazi Germany.
48:45Obviously, like we took all those guys controversially through Operation Paperclip, but it's like I do always wonder if those guys figured out a nuke and had just enough just [snorts] enough sliver of humanity in them to be like, you know, maybe the [ __ ] cod stash shouldn't get this, >> you know? I do. And that's to I have no proof of that whatsoever. That's just always a scenario I've wondered in my head. If if there were just enough guys in that room that were like, "You know what?
49:18[snorts] Let's make a deal."
49:19>> Yeah.
49:19>> Let's make I'll make that deal.
49:20>> I'll make that deal.
49:22>> Yeah. Georgiani thinks they actually tested Dukes, [laughter] >> the Nazis.
49:26>> Yeah.
49:27>> Now, what is he based on?
49:28>> I can't remember exactly what he said, but he was on my podcast saying that they they actually did a nuclear test and uh where he was I don't [ __ ] remember. This is so vague in my head.
49:38>> They did it in Iran. [laughter] >> They should have done it on Gaza.
49:42Jesus Christ. I forgot he said that.
49:46[gasps] >> Bro, sometimes the smartest people have the worst takes. You know, you can't you can't you can't be a genius in every aspect of life.
49:56>> No.
49:56>> Like I was talking to you about this the other day. The some of the most talented musicians in the world, my favorite musicians were [ __ ] full-blown psychopaths. Jerry Lee Lewis murdered two of his wives and married his 13-year-old cousin. Like some of these people are the worst human beings, but they're just insanely talented and they just know how to they know how to make magic in one way or another, whatever their [ __ ] creative outlet is.
50:22>> It's like something that they can tap into. But I've always thought with anything, I've always believed this, it's it's in degrees, but like for every point of genius, there's a price that's paid >> and some prices are worse than others.
50:37>> Yes. So, like, you know, maybe someone's like genius at music or something and they just are really on the spectrum or something like that. That's a way better price to pay than being like a [ __ ] murderous pedophile, >> right? Like, let's take let's take the spectrum price. That's a lot better. But there's degrees of a price and it's and it's so it's like kind of dark to think about sometimes because unfortunately you can look at great talent and then be like, god damn. Like, listen, I [ __ ] love R. Kelly's music. I'm happy he's buried under a prison. He's a [ __ ] horrible guy, right?
51:11>> Like his price is that he's [clears throat] a [ __ ] sociopathic >> criminal in in every facet of it. It's wrong in every way. But there's something weird that like I can know that about him. Be happy that that's the outcome. But be like, "Yo, I believe I could fly as fuck."
51:26>> Speaking about good music, you want to hear a [ __ ] banger, pull up Look at Your Game girl by Charles Manson.
51:34>> He slayed this track, bro. He slayed it.
51:36I heard his music wasn't that good.
51:38>> So this this this is his best song.
51:40>> Wait, D, you listen to this?
51:41>> That's why I put him up.
51:43>> Yeah, you cannot [ __ ] Do we have How do we hear this? Do we have >> He also he had some uh unfortunate help.
51:48And by help, I mean not the opposite of help. They were [ __ ] MK Ultraing the ass out of him.
51:54>> Oh yeah.
51:54>> Yeah.
51:55>> But play this jam.
51:58>> He's not going to copyright us, is he?
52:01>> Uh well cut out. Now I have to cut it out.
52:05Unfortunately, [clears throat] make a note.
52:08>> This is Charles Manson swing.
52:10>> Yeah. Give it some volume.
52:13>> This is a music video. They cut in with it, but >> pretty.
52:17>> Just wait. This is a good This is a good jam.
52:20>> You can't tell me this guy had no shot to be a star. He had a shot.
52:23>> He had a shot.
52:24>> Yeah. It's not the worst.
52:25>> And he had insane charisma. Like this dude could charm the pants off Bin Laden, you know? Like he >> another short guy by the way.
52:33>> Another short guy, right? What's with these [ __ ] short guys, dude?
52:36>> It's a Matt Cox.
52:37>> They're just too ambitious.
52:39>> There's too much ambition with these short guys. Matt Cox calls me every He called me the other day. Every time I talked to him, he started a new podcast >> again. Yeah.
52:47>> He's got [ __ ] podcasts on podcast with all these guys like partnering up and doing podcast deals. He's like a [ __ ] cartel. [laughter] >> Don't tell his PO officer that. Remember remember the uh inside the darkness podcast he had? He's like [laughter] it's basically >> Mark Leita, >> but we have it at home.
53:09>> Oh my god, that was a long time ago.
53:11That was old.
53:12>> He just leaves the room. He's like, "All right, just just talk. I I'll be back.
53:15Just make sure we get it for YouTube."
53:17[laughter] >> Oh, these short guys, man.
53:21But yeah, man. What a [ __ ] what a crazy story of of I mean a guy who intersected so many different parts of American culture and is a one of the most biggest cultural icons in America in the history of America. Charles Manson. Yeah.
53:35>> Charles Manson and Marilyn Monroe.
53:36They're on like the same level just polar opposites.
53:38>> Polar opposites. And he was also like a real he was a timeline switcher in the sense that >> Yeah. He killed the killed the movement.
53:48when that happened, when the tape murders happened, you can literally it's like when we draw a map to 911 to look at all the geopolitical things that have happened, it all goes back to that. When you look at like the culture and the culture shift, boom.
54:00>> Yeah.
54:01>> N summer 1969, those killings ended it.
54:04>> Mhm.
54:05>> Just totally. And that makes you think it's like if you want to and I don't think it takes a big tinfoil hat at all cuz like you look at the reporting that Tom O'Neal did on this in Chaos, which is an amazing book. Obviously, there were MK Ultra ties to this guy, but they were so worried about what, you know, communist Marxist infiltration in the hippie music in into the hippie movement and what that could do to American society, >> right?
54:31>> They're like, well, got to got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette here, right?
54:35>> And those eggs are just >> Well, it's just so ironic that it's they were they were pissed off about people protesting the Vietnam War and the summer of love and that whole thing was about [ __ ] drugs, too. Mhm.
54:46>> So they want to demonize drugs in the US and do this thing with Charles Manson and try to >> stain the hippie movement. And that's where the hippie movement completely [ __ ] ended. It ended with Charles Manson.
54:58>> And right after that, what was it in 70?
55:00What was it? Nixon who did that. Who who uh did the drug law where they basically all the drugs in the US?
55:07>> That sounds right. We can check.
55:08>> I think it was 1970 with Nixon. Yeah.
55:11>> Uh where they did that. And like I think that was I mean imagine h like if that never would have happened how far ahead would we be right now, >> right? Yeah. President Richard Nixon signed the Controlled Substances Act in 1970 establishing the five tier federal drug scheduling system still used today.
55:28>> Yes.
55:29>> Yeah.
55:29>> So if that would have never happened, how far would we have progressed by now if they never would have done all this and stigmatized and made all these drugs illegal, these harmless drugs?
55:39>> I don't know.
55:42It could be great. It could be terrible.
55:44It could be something in between. I don't know. But it's an it's a prime example of like just doing the full-blown knee-jerk reaction on the pendulum.
55:52>> Yeah.
55:53>> Just like, well, this is really bad, so let's do the opposite. Which is the story of humanity.
55:56>> Yeah.
55:57>> And as you and I have talked about over the years so many times, it's like >> the pendulum of the law of equilibrium says you want it less violent, you know, and an action be gets an equal but opposite reaction. you can live with it when they're here. When they start to get out here >> to get to equilibrium, you really got to clap >> harder and more violently. And it's like >> that has reverberating effects on society for sure. Which I think about a lot now with how things are because so many people are just like, "Oh my god, it's all [ __ ] fake."
56:30>> Like what are we even doing? You know, you're living in a year where these some of the Epstein files get exposed and no one goes to jail and you're like, "Oh, these are the people that like are built our modern day America right now and are still in charge of it and we're just going to let this keep happening." And they're like, "Yes."
56:46>> And so, you can't blame people then when every single thing they look at, they're like, "Well, that's not real either."
56:52Even if something objectively is. Like I'm not going to sit here and yell at people >> for that because I'm like what have institutions or the people that run them at the highest levels in the real halls of power >> done to reiterate you trusting them for anything?
57:09>> Mhm.
57:11>> Not much.
57:12>> Right. Have you noticed on X, even like on X, if you're looking at any sort of article or reporting about anything, I always go down to the first comment where there's always some schmuck who goes, "Grock is real." And then Grock will verify. That's what I do too.
57:24>> Well, who the [ __ ] go who who's channeling into Grock >> like [laughter] right like now like like I default to Grock now.
57:33>> I can't tr So I've already lost the trust in like the articles that are on Twitter. So now I'm defaulting to Grock as like my northstar of whether things are true or not. [snorts] >> So okay, Elon started [ __ ] Grock AI and is doing that probably partnering with Peter Teal in one way or the other.
57:50So, why am I supposed to look? I'm thinking through thinking this through like this doesn't make any sense. Why is it like this?
57:56>> You got to do what Joey Deep does. You have to cross reference all the AIS.
58:00>> Yeah. Is that what you do, Joey?
58:01>> Yeah.
58:03>> You cross reference Chachi BT, Grock, Claude, and then >> just those three.
58:08>> Now, that still doesn't eliminate, >> you know, Kobias doesn't eliminate that, but you can find some cracks sometimes.
58:15So, we were doing this on that Jang episode where he was bringing up an article of Mark Zuckerberg.
58:20>> Oh, dude.
58:20>> You remember this, >> dude? The body language there was immaculate >> on what?
58:26>> Watching like watching you guys fact time. He's like, [clears throat] >> I mean, dude, he was telling us the story so confidently and using it as like one of the main pillars to hold up his theory, >> saying that Mark Zuckerberg's parents went to Rabbi Schneersen to get the dollar from him and the blessing because they wanted to have a boy. They already had three daughters and Rabbi Schneersome gave him a blessing and uh allegedly Mark Zuckerberg was born 18 months later and then we found this one article cuz Steve was looking for it.
58:53He's not the best Googler. He's getting better and he found this article and we were reading the article and I was like I didn't recognize the website. I was like looking through it. I was not linking to any sources and uh he so he asked uh whatever he asked chatbt is this article real? Paste it in there.
59:10The first thing was like this was a story of an interview by Mark Zuckerberg allegedly. Here's the source blah blah blah blah. He did opened up a new tab in chatbt asked him again in a different way and it had this like completely polar opposite response and it was even being like defensive like this is the most abhorrent uh fake article. It's satirical and it even says at the bottom of the article that it's not true.
59:38[laughter] >> Yeah. And there was no other sources.
59:41>> You stayed on it though, which was really good cuz it's a big claim and [snorts] like he didn't want to stay on it, but you were like, "No, no, we it's a big claim. We got to verify this." And at the end, you're like, "Uh, >> yeah." Yeah. We kept >> So anyway, Iran and just flipped it around. But >> yeah, you got that's >> But it's just a weird thing on one hand was saying it was true and on the other hand it was saying it wasn't true. So those f these [ __ ] AIs came and decide what's real or not.
60:03>> I don't know. Again, maybe the answer is going to be in the middle and maybe that'll end up being good. I don't know.
60:09Maybe it's really bad. I I really don't [ __ ] know. AI is a really open black hole to me. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below.
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