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12:28>> [music] >> All right, we are live, Jimmy. Hey, welcome to today's live stream. Got a big jam-packed show today.
12:53Uh I'm exhausted for some reason. I don't know, maybe it's just cuz I'm old. Who knows?
13:00We'll see how it goes, but I certainly need a rest, but we got a special guest with us. Uh Robert Buzz Patterson, retired US Air Force Lieutenant Colonel, author, known for conservative political commentary, served as the senior military aide to President Bill Clinton from 1996 to 1998, where he was responsible for the nuclear football and commanded White House military units. Following his career, Patterson became a conservative speaker, writer, authoring books such as Dereliction of Duty, Reckless Disregard, and later ran for Congress in California's 7th District.
13:36Welcome to the show, Buzz Patterson.
13:38Hey, thanks, Jimmy. Thanks for having me. Well, the reason why I had you I'm having you on is because I tweeted this out yesterday. I was watching Judge Napolitano's show, which I'm a big fan of, and he had on retired analyst from the CIA, Larry Johnson. And according to Larry Johnson, during an emergency meeting on Saturday, Trump tried to, quote, use the nuclear codes on Iran, and he was stopped by General Dan Cain.
14:03And then you came in and told me this is a complete BS. That's not how this works. Why don't you talk to the guy who used to do it, me. So, here we are. We have you on. So, tell me how it really works and how this is a this story is wrong.
14:19Okay, so uh the whole premise uh from Mr. Johnson is incorrect in the base of how it works. The president actually carries the nuclear codes no matter where he goes, 24/7.
14:31Uh when I worked for President Clinton, he kept them in his pants pocket, and rubber-banded to his credit cards.
14:37Uh so, it's something that accompanies the president 24/7. So, there's no reason for him having to have to try to access them. He has them.
14:45Uh secondly, the um the chairman is not even in the chain of command.
14:51Uh in fact, the chain of command for nuclear detonation goes from the president with the codes to the military aide who has the nuclear football, and those two have to come together, Jimmy, or you don't have a communication to the Pentagon. It doesn't go to the the chairman. It goes directly to the directly to the National Military Command Center, NMCC, who then contacts all the unified combatants around the world with those with the codes, and things start, you know, the keys start turning, and bombers start getting airborne.
15:28That's how it works, and there's actually no involvement for the CIA, to be honest with you. So, they wouldn't have any direct knowledge of how of how that process was working, and whether or not it it ever, you know, it was ever instituted. They wouldn't know, quite frankly.
15:45So, you have Do you have any theories on how a story like this since it doesn't follow the logical chain of command, and I I always thought the president was the guy who had the codes. He didn't have to ask somebody. Right.
16:00>> So, any idea how a story like this could get such traction?
16:04It's probably third or fourth hand in terms of people wanting to believe something uh that quite simply didn't happen. Um you know, in all the possible scenarios that I could possibly play out, Jimmy, there's no involvement for anybody uh required except for the president and the military aide.
16:25The way the process works by getting the unified commanders on the phone, which has to happen really quickly. I You're thinking You Think about this, Jimmy.
16:33You're We're talking about 15, max 18 minutes we have from the warning uh from the very first warning that somebody has launched until we have to actually get those missiles in the air ourselves, or uh we're we're going away.
16:50And uh the the unified combatants are the ones who the Sitcom, the Socom, those people are the ones that actually could change a president's mind if if they if they felt so inclined, but the the chairman has no he he has no play in the game, really.
17:08Okay, and do you any comment on the fact that they brought uh General Cain out of retirement, gave him a fourth star, and was the point of doing that was because he's more hawkish?
17:24And uh what what are you What's your thoughts on that? Well, there were a couple things. I don't know General Cain. I was before, you know, as after my time. Uh I do know people. I I retired from the Air Force in 2001, and I've got still got a lot of buddies that are in. And the general consensus is that Cain's a great guy, uh fighter pilot guy. I think that it was the Air Force's turn. This is where it gets political, and I'm not a big fan of the politics in the Pentagon.
17:51But uh I think it was the Air Force's turn uh to be the chairman. They The Air Force hadn't had it for a while. A fighter pilot is the only guy that's ever going to get that job for the Air Force, and you know, Raising Cain was that guy, and he has he has the credentials. I don't Again, I don't know the guy. I've never met him.
18:10Uh but I respect what I've seen so far.
18:13And what is What is your feeling on the uh the the possibility that something could happen nuclear in Iran, whether it be, you know, uh depleted uranium-tipped bombs, or whatever. What What do you What What do you think in with your expertise? Yeah, uh we've been we've been watching Iran for a long time, as you know, and uh I I They have the ability to put something really dirty together.
18:44Uh that's I think that's a possibility.
18:46Uh you know, I don't know that they have the the missile technology anymore, or if they actually have it weaponized yet, but you don't need to have a uh it weaponized for it to be deadly, which is what they've done by enriching it. Um the other thing I worry about, Jimmy, I I think that Iran is an unstable actor, and they and they may be they may do something stupid, and I think if they do anything stupid in that regard toward Israel, then Israel's going to launch, and we've got holy hell on our hands, and I and I pray that that never happens, but uh that is that is entirely uh possible. I'm just praying
19:23it's not feasible, but yeah.
19:26to do something and hurt a lot of people.
19:30Do you think that um uh we thought uh as Marco Rubio stated um initially, that the reason why we joined in the attack on Iran was because Israel was doing the attack, and we just followed them, or do you think this was in the plans all along for the United States to do a aggressive move like this on Iran. I'm going to give you an answer that's not going to you're not going to like. I think it's a combination of both.
20:00Um you know, we like I said, I've been in the I was in the Air Force and we've been fighting the Iranian government and their terrorism, their global terrorism since I was in the Air Force going on 47 years. And I've watched both in active duty and also on from the sidelines, Jimmy, that you know, president after president after president has has refused has kicked the can, has given them more money, all with the expec- expectations that they're rational and and when in fact they're not. And I think that something had to be done eventually or it was going to get out of hand where I think that we're at the
20:3611th hour right now with that.
20:38Now, that being said, I do believe Israel has a lot of sway. Obviously, they are our only ally in the region.
20:46They're the only democracy in the region. They have the number two air force in the world only to us. They are a very capable and they probably, you know, have been talking with US governments about this for a long time.
21:01And I think they they got the right guy in Trump being able to work with him and you know, Netanyahu get along apparently okay.
21:10And but I think it needed to be done done, Jimmy, and I really applaud it. I think that our guys and girls are doing a tremendous job and if we can if we can leave Iran better than we found it, which I think we will >> [gasps] >> for the people that is, not the government but the people. I think it'll be a good thing.
21:26And so do you feel that so the the you know, what I'm hearing is that Trump has reached the end of the his escalation capability because well, first of all, let me before I ask you that question aren't all the Gulf states our allies, right?
21:45They are now, which I think was a huge strategic blunder on the part of Iran. They Gulf states would have been siding or would have been really quiet right now.
21:56They would have been siding with Iran have been really quiet right now, Jimmy, if he had if they hadn't attacked their their allies, the Gulf states. And there's a lot of money in Qatar and UAE and Saudi Arabia. And they they Iran pissed off the wrong people. And now they are our allies because, you know, the the enemy of my friend is my friend kind of thing. And I think that Iran has done the wrong job. So now we do have a whole new group fresh ally.
22:26The our real allies are not stepping up, which is which is tremendously disappointing to me. I mean, you know, all that we've done for NATO and have the NATO countries sitting on the sidelines and having Saudi Arabia and Qatar fighting our wars for us is is a little unsettling.
22:41I mean, they I always my understanding was that they were our allies, which is why we had the military bases in their country in the first place and it was kind of a deal with the they would continue the petrodollar but we would provide them security. So, weren't we already kind of allies with them and that's why Iran hit the military bases? Especially Saudi Arabia. Yes. I mean, Saudi Arabia and and us have been tied pretty closely together for a long time. I I spent almost half of my career flying in and out of Saudi Arabia in the Middle East, so that yeah, that that has been an ally for a long time. It was the other ones
23:16that weren't weren't fully on board. In fact, Qatar was harboring Qatar was harb- was harboring Iranian terrorist officials not until just recently. So, they haven't been true allies in the sense that like Israel has been. But now they're coming around cuz they've been attacked too and you start hitting those countries' oil fields, they're going to get pissed off too and that's exactly what's happened from on the part of Iran. So, getting back to my question about the escalation so now Trump has threatened to so they've they've taken out all the military targets, right? They've gotten pretty much all the military targets and and
23:56now what Trump Trump is threatening is to go after like civilian targets like the energy, the desalination plants, the the the civilian bridges, things like that. And Iran has said if that happens that they're going to then go go to the jugular on the Gulf states and they're going to take out their oil oil facilities, which means no energy for their desalination plants and then they run out of water and they become failed states, no?
24:28And then there's going to be a migration crisis. Do you see it playing out like that? I don't see it getting nearly that far. I mean, you know, the fact that Trump's going to go I don't believe I'll take a step back, Jimmy. I don't believe that Iran has much more capability to fire anything at Saudi Arabia or Qatar or the UAE.
24:47I they think they may have a little bit.
24:50But I think we depleted most of what we can find and I know the one of the other good things about this this cooling off period has been giving our our Air Force guys and girls a time to you know, further further identify targets and plus up on the munitions in and give the pilots some rest. So, there is it ended up being a kind of a win for us as well in that regard. I don't think Iran's got the capability. I think they will try. I think they might hit one or two of those but I don't think they're going to do it anywhere near the scale it would take to bankrupt those countries.
25:25In fact, I think after this is all said and done, those countries will probably be stronger because of just how insignificant Iran will be on the world stage.
25:34This this is definitely a different opinion that I've heard on this show, that's for sure, Buzz.
25:40Um let me ask you this.
25:42This happened on um uh on CBS on Sunday.
25:49Um so Biden's negotiator and advisor for Israel and Lebanon Amos Hochstein he's born in Israel, served in the IDF, his family still lives in Israel and he said that we were going to bomb Iran anyway.
26:04Let's listen to him say it. In July 2024, Secretary Blinken claimed Iran was one or two weeks away from having enough fissile material breakout capacity to eventually make a weapon if Iran had decided to do so.
26:18There were indirect negotiations that the Biden administration did but it it went nowhere. So, when President Trump argues that he did when no other president would, is it just simply that the bill was coming due and it fell on his watch?
26:33I do think there's a certain element to that and that's why I was supportive of President Trump joining in in June to take the strikes that we had thought internally in the Biden administration we may have to take if there was a second term. We thought that the spring summer of 2025 was probably we may have to be there in the same place. And we did we did war games, we did some practice runs on what it would look like to look into it and because that may have had to happen under our watch as well.
27:03But we he said we obliterated their nuclear program. The question then is not about what he did in June. This war we were in now did not attack the nuclear facilities again. This was not about the nuclear. So, the question now becomes can you do a deal with the Iranians and the maximum positions that both sides have are right now very far apart despite all the rhetoric that we're we're almost there or we are there but if we're not there, we'll bomb the hell out of them.
27:32So do you so I mean, right from the horse's mouth, right? That that he was inside the Biden administration and he said with this would have happened no matter who. So, it turns out Israel won the election no matter who got elected, right? So, what do you what's your response to what he said?
27:50Yeah, I I I agree with him in a lot in a lot of ways. He's right the fact that we we were war gaming and keeping an eye on Iran and war gaming this but we were war gaming this a lot earlier than the Biden administration. We were war gaming this going back to the early 2000 when 2000s when I was still in the Air Force and getting the briefings. So, this is nothing new. We've we've had this contingency plan for a long time.
28:16>> [gasps and sighs] >> I think what this gentleman said and what I'm saying are are pretty similar in that we knew that they have we know that they have the capability.
28:27We have the capability to take it out. I think that there was some delay on the part of Biden. I would have been very surprised if Biden had done anything along these lines and I think it took a personality like Trump to do it, quite frankly. But the other thing that's not being said here is is that what we're doing right now is going after the delivery means. As you pointed out earlier, they do have the the material.
28:51If they have no way of delivering it, Jimmy, it's the best it's the next best thing for having not having it at all.
28:57So, that's what we're doing now is we're going after the missile delivery systems, we're going after the fuel that it takes the missiles to fly and we're trying to and we're going after the technology that builds those missiles.
29:08So, that's been pretty much you know, the target list for the last couple weeks until the ceasefire. Now we're left with, okay the military is still using the bridges, they're still using the water, they're still using the the power grids. As long as they're still using those, those are Geneva Convention, those are approved weapon sites. They they are part of the rules of law, the rules of war. And they're and they're they're fair game. I mean, we did the same thing in World War we did the same thing in Vietnam and we'll probably and we're going to do it again. Hopefully hopefully not, but that's where we're looking like. But
29:44yeah, we've had this capability, we've known about it and we've just been waiting for it to get this bad, and we it finally got this bad, and that's why we're doing something about it now.
29:53So, uh couple points that um you know, Cha- Cha- Charlie Kirk um famously said that this was not in our interest to bomb Iran, that Trump did not campaign on this.
30:07Um and so um which I I agree. I Lots of people like uh you know, most of his coalition his MAGA coalition from Tucker Carlson uh you know, to Candace Owens to Joe Rogan to everybody seems to be blindsided by this. Why didn't Trump A campaign on this, and B could you tell me how this war actually is good for our country?
30:32Two things. I actually uh you know, I if he if Trump had been talking about this when he was campaigning, uh I don't think I would have supported it either. So, I'm I'm going to tell you that I agree with you on that standpoint. Uh but you know, Trump didn't have uh the greatest intelligence until he was actually in the office either. So, you know, they were they were withholding a lot of information that the uh the president-elect should have been getting and didn't know. So, I'm going to give him a little bit of a break there on timing and and who knew what when. I believe that if you know, and now switching gears, I
31:07believe Iran will be a better place for not only their own citizens, but for the world because the number one uh global state sponsor of terror since 1979 has been Iran. If we eliminate uh the government the despotic regime that's been doing that, I think that we have an opportunity for something democracy-like in Iran. It won't be what we have grown to know here in the States, but it'll be democracy-like, and we and we and we will be giving the country back to the people.
31:43Uh I'm in constant contact with Iranians who were there, who thank God uh are able to use uh Starlink, who can communicate without the government knowing. And uh there there there are thirsting. Now, why they haven't revolted yet I uprise, you know, staging an uprising, Jimmy, I don't know. I think it's probably because the IRGC is is so ruthless, but uh hopefully at some point in time they'll get a chance to take their country back. And I think that's uh where we're hoping to go. So, doesn't history tell us that when the United States tries to do a regime change, it always ends up worse for that country?
32:21For instance, in 1953, we overthrew Mosaddegh, and we installed the Shah, which was a brutal dictator, which kind of gave us what they call blowback in this religious theocracy that runs Iran now. And then also of course with Libya, Libya was one of the most successful countries in Africa. It's turned into a failed state with open slave markets.
32:41And the same thing with Syria, we got rid of Assad, and now the guy who's running it is the former chief head chopper from Al-Qaeda. So, what's the what what do you base that on? That we're going to make it better because every time we've intervened, we've made it worse. No, not every time is is incorrect, Jimmy.
32:59Uh ask the folks in Germany, ask the folks in Japan, ask the folks in South Korea if we left their places better than we found them. And I and they would tell you absolutely 100% they did. Now, there have been failures. You know, and I'm not a big regime change proponent.
33:16Uh but it you know, and I don't think that Trump is advocating for that. I think he's of the standpoint that um you know, if they want their country, they'll take it back. If they don't, we'll we'll be dealing with this evil for a long time. I mean, that's pretty much where we're at.
33:31Okay, Buzz.
33:33Uh It's great to get this perspective on my show because uh we certainly uh get the other perspective, and I certainly have the other perspective. I I agree with you on World War II. Uh but since then, it's it's been one disaster after another. But hey, I appreciate you straightening out the nuclear football uh idea with us. That's fantastic, and thanks for making time for us uh Buzz. I hope we can have you back on again sometime. Hey, it's been fun, Jimmy.
34:00Anytime. Uh please please ring me up.
34:03Okay, we'll do, pal. Thank you very much.
34:05>> Okay. Hey, take care, man. Over. We'll be right back.
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36:40>> [music] [music] [music] >> Who's got the clicker?
37:52Hey, everybody. Welcome back. That was quite an interview.
37:56>> [laughter] >> I was talking I was being understated when I said that is a different perspective.
38:02>> [laughter] >> That certainly was, but at least we know how the nuclear football works now. So, that was that was good. It's good to get that information out there. All right.
38:12Welcome to the show uh the world's premier voice impressionist, Mike McCray. Is he there? Hey, Mike.
38:18Hello, Jimmy. How are you? I'm I'm doing good. How are things going down there in Austin, Texas?
38:24Oh, you know, you've been here before.
38:26You love it. It's beautiful weather here. Everyone should come visit Austin.
38:30You're going to come to visit us at the lake, aren't you? Uh I I am. I'll be there at the end of May for uh shooting Kurt's uh film that he wrote.
38:40They're they're shooting it, and I I got a part. I play a an oligarch. So, Ooh, uh really? Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah, so I'll be there.
38:49We'll see what we'll see how it goes.
38:51I'll hang out on set. Yeah. Okay, fantastic. I'll run your lines with you.
38:57>> [laughter] >> Uh yeah, I don't know what the help uh I don't know what I'm doing acting-wise, but we'll see what >> [laughter] >> we'll see what happens.
39:06>> Meisner.
39:08Uh what's that? I didn't hear you.
39:09>> You'll do Meisner method.
39:11>> I wasn't listening.
39:12Haha. [laughter] >> Boo. Come on. Man, you're on fire.
39:16>> Come on, Mike. You got that joke, right?
39:19No, I didn't. I don't Seriously didn't.
39:21You know, Meisner >> part of the method, not listening?
39:24>> No, Meisner technique is all about listening and repeating back what the other person says.
39:29Oh, okay. Yeah.
39:31So, that's my Whenever Meisner comes up, that's the joke I do. I'm sorry, I wasn't listening. What? That's the joke.
39:37>> [laughter] >> It always gets big laughs.
39:40Love it. Now I'll get it. So um um Should I set this up or should we just jump in?
39:49Mike. Uh I don't know. It's up to you. As far as I'm ready to jump in. Okay, let's jump in. Hey, this is Jimmy Dore. Who's this?
39:59That dude is Kash Patel. Hey, hey, what's [laughter] up? FBI Director Patel. How nice to hear from you again.
40:07You've had quite a week this week.
40:09You can say that again, dude. Quite a week indeed. But it was a week, dude, and I will continue to have weeks, one after another, as I continue to serve at the pleasure of the President of the United States and the Department of Justice in the capacity of Director of the Federal Bureau of 28, 29, 30 investigations.
40:32>> [laughter] >> Okay, I see.
40:38Did you see my press conference, dude?
40:40Did you see it?
40:41>> Yeah.
40:42>> this from the lying ass media. I'm calling them out for the liars they are. I'm not going anywhere, dude.
40:47>> [laughter] >> I'm going to be director forever.
40:49it. Clutch. Longest serving.
40:52sick. I'll make J. Edgar Hoover look like Anthony Scaramucci, but without all the homo No homo.
40:59>> [laughter] [laughter] >> Yeah, tell that to your Las Vegas billionaire roommate. Anyway, all right.
41:12So, you continue to deny the allegations made against you by The Atlantic.
41:18Excuse me. Excuse me. I was talking.
41:21>> [laughter] >> Yeah, yes. You were saying no homo.
41:25That's talking, dude. Saying no homo is talking. No homo are words. No homo.
41:29[laughter] >> [gasps] >> Sir, can you please address the accusations made about you by The Atlantic?
41:47Oh, the soon-to-be bankrupt Atlantic for my lawsuit? Sure. It should be called the Pacific cuz it's so far to the left.
41:53Yeah, why not? Yeah, let's talk about their lies. First of all, the implication that I am drunk or hungover on the job, absolutely a lie. Complete fabrication. I have never been drunk or hungover in any capacity while on the clock for the federal government.
42:08Obviously, yes, I drink alcohol sometimes as the photos with the US Olympic hockey team show, but I'm never and ever never been drunk at work. Okay, okay. Got it. No no drinking at work.
42:20I didn't say that.
42:24What?
42:26I didn't say I don't consume alcohol basically constantly. I said I don't get drunk or hungover because I'm not a amateur. President [laughter] Trump does not appoint amateurs to high positions. He appoints people who know how to handle substance abuse and have zero experience or credentials.
42:42Trust.
42:46Okay, I don't understand.
42:49Because you're a amateur.
42:51Once I have had enough Miller Lights or whatever that would make any 5'4 120-lb man drunk, well then that's when you have a key bump or a little Adderall or whatever. Surprise me. Whatever Randy and them can scare up from the evidence locker that [laughter] day. Point is, I know how to ingest substances in the right amounts and how to balance them so I'm never incapacitated. Always 100% locked in, heat-seeking, pussy-wrecking, and crime-solving. [laughter] >> [laughter] >> Okay, so I see. No hangovers from this activity.
43:29Dude, I'm the director of the FBI. I can take you to where Jimmy Hoffa is buried right now. You think I can't get my hands on Pedialyte and B12?
43:37please.
43:40>> [laughter] >> Okay, got it. Now, about this incident where you got locked out of your account and you thought that you had been fired.
43:50Never happened, dude. Total lie.
43:52As if, dude. As if I could ever get locked out of Get locked out of locked out of my own I'd like to see them try. My ex-girlfriend tried to lock me out of our place once. Look how that turned out. Not really a girlfriend, I guess, but she had seemed flirty to me and technically it was [laughter] her place, but obviously I was going to be moving in soon, just a matter of time. And I still broke in, dude.
44:13>> [laughter] >> Okay, I told you that.
44:20You're sniffing a lot.
44:22So, you you you never get >> [laughter] >> What, dude?
44:28So, you So, you never got locked out of your account.
44:32I simply forgot my password, which is Mia Khalifa 69420, and had a moment of reflection where I thought I may have been locked out where I smashed some desk desk decorations and threw over a bookshelf until Randy and them brought me my Pedialyte.
44:45>> [laughter] >> And this is not so not a big deal at all, dude. Like seriously, what the Rolling my ass off laughing, dude.
44:58Okay.
45:00Look, forget all the dude.
45:02Look at me. Look at me, dude. I'm serious. Look at me.
45:07I can't I can't really.
45:09Well, look at the phone then. Look at wherever my voice is coming from. Read my lips. I am not going anywhere. I am not getting fired. And even if I am, I am not going anywhere.
45:21You're You're not leaving your post even if you get fired?
45:24no, dude. This is late stage Kash.
45:27This is the strongest Kash. This is 5'4 and 3/4 Kash.
45:32>> [laughter] >> And if you could see all the that's laid out on my desk right now in little piles, you would know that I am armed for war against the media, against haters, against Jan in the mortgage fraud division on the 14th floor. She knows what she did. And you, dude. Me?
45:46Yeah, dude. You're with the wrong bull, dude. You're [laughter] one of Kash's enemies. You are no friend of Kash. Well, now you are dealing with late stage Kash, and this is like the third act of Scarface, [laughter] and I'm Scarface. You better watch your ass. So, you're going to get blazed out of your mind on coke, get riddled with the machine gun bullets, and then die?
46:08Yes, yes, and no. Scarface only died because he didn't do enough coke. If he had done more, he would have survived that I won't make that same mistake. And I will be coming after you in the meantime, dude. Trust. Expect that bro.
46:25>> [laughter] >> Okay, well, thanks for warning and hey, and thanks for calling in. I'm going to have to let you go. Goodbye, Director Patel.
46:36I'm coming after you, dude.
46:39Oh, sick.
46:41>> [laughter] >> Kash Patel. Wow.
46:47>> his best life. He is living his best life.
46:52That was quite an article. That was It had but it it had like 90 sources. So, it sounds like they It was all true.
47:00That doesn't it? Totally bunch of lies, dude.
47:05Okay.
47:07Let's keep going. Ready?
47:08Uh hey, this is Jimmy. Who's this?
47:12Hey, it's Hey, man. It's Jeff Bridges.
47:14>> [laughter] >> Hey, friend of the show, Jeff Bridges.
47:17Nice to hear from you.
47:19Yeah, it's been a long time, so I figured I'd see how you're doing, man.
47:23What have you been up to, uh sir? Well, just doing our show every week like we do. Guest phone calls, stories, that sort of thing.
47:31Yeah, far out, man.
47:34You're sort of a news guy. Did you hear about this war in Iran? Yes, I'm aware of it, Jeff.
47:40Yeah, it seems like a bad idea, man.
47:42That's because it is.
47:44Yeah, it's a bummer. I thought we weren't supposed to invade them. I thought Trump ran on that.
47:51And all his, you know, little friends are regretting their vote for him. I mean, it's almost funny if you if you think about it. Yeah.
48:00It's like if somebody got invited to a party solely because he promised he wouldn't leave an upper decker in the gas bathroom.
48:07>> [laughter] >> And the first thing he does is leave an upper decker in the gas bathroom.
48:13Everyone gets mad at him and says, "Hey, trust me. I know what I'm doing, man."
48:17>> Pretty good analogy, yeah.
48:20Yeah, I did that in real life once, man.
48:22>> Okay, well, Jeff, we love having you on the phone, but we're going to have to talk about something substantive or actually Wait, wait. Someone's calling in on the other line. Let me check it real quick.
48:33Today's been nuts already. Sorry.
48:36Uh oh oh oh oh oh okay, man. Uh hey, this is Jimmy Dore show. Jimmy Dore speaking. Who's this?
48:43What's up, It's me again, your worst nightmare.
48:46>> [laughter] >> Oh, brother. Why are you calling back so soon again?
48:50Hey, who the is this, man? Uh Who the am I? I'm Kash Patel.
48:56That's who, >> [laughter] >> Kash Patel?
49:01Like a thing that carries money?
49:04More like a thing that carries your mom, dude. Oh, [laughter] yeah.
49:07Okay, man.
49:10Jeff, this is Kash Patel. He's the director of the FBI. He calls the show sometimes to fill us in on what's going on.
49:17Well, that's not cool, man. I don't want to be on the phone with the feds. Especially this little See you, Little >> [laughter] >> My apologies, this huge you, dude. I will end your You will rue the day that you with me, I think I'm enjoying it actually.
49:39Gentlemen, let's all just settle down, shall we? Director Patel, can you let us know why you called back?
49:46You know what? I actually forget right now, but it doesn't matter. The purpose of this call has now become to let this stoner know that his days are numbered.
49:54Everyone's days are numbered, man.
49:56That's how numbers work.
49:58[laughter] Oh, are you funny? So, a big joke to you. Well, trust me, friend, you will not be laughing when I disappear you from this Earth. You think I can't get to you? I'm the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. There is no one and nothing that is beyond my reach.
50:14Yeah, except the cereal boxes on top of the fridge. All right, Starman, that does it.
50:20You are with the wrong bull. The Jeff Bridges fire at the Bureau is about to get a lot thicker.
50:25Oh, no.
50:27Well, those library late fees, man, I've been meaning to square those for a long time. And Director Patel, can you please not call in our show and harass our guest? We We can't do what we do if the threat of the FBI is constantly hovering over us.
50:43Well, then maybe you shouldn't have anti-American agitators on as guests.
50:46How do you think of that?
50:47Hey, man, nothing's more American than thinking you're a greasy little heel. you, dude. you.
50:54Awesome comeback, man.
50:56Hey, Jimmy, I got to go. This This vibe isn't working for me today, man.
51:01I should probably hang up before they put a trace on the phone or something.
51:06I love you, man, but no. Talk to you later. All right, dude. Bye. I'm I'm a big fan, actually. Not you, MAN.
51:13OFF.
51:14>> [laughter] >> DIRECTOR PATEL, PLEASE, YOU can't sabotage our other interviews like this.
51:24Yeah, I'm sorry, but I got to be doing something, at least looking busy. My job is hanging by a thread right now. I got to be doing some kind of law enforcement somehow. I'm so scared, dude. I'm so scared. Well, I'm sorry to hear that, Director Patel, but this It's just not my problem.
51:40Not to be callous, but we've got to move on and start the show. Goodbye.
51:45Okay. All right, bye, DUDE.
51:49SO [clears throat] SCARED.
51:51>> [laughter] >> I DON'T THINK HE'S doing well. I don't think he's doing I think he is scared. I think his job is hanging by a thread, especially after the Atlantic article.
52:03Especially. And now he's And I don't think suing them is going to That's not going to work.
52:09Didn't Didn't his girlfriend Isn't he suing people because they said his girlfriend was a honey pot?
52:15Yeah, he just said he also sued some guy on a former FBI under guy who said something on MSNBC or whatever they call it now. And he sued that guy, and the judge dismissed it today, like, yeah, this is stupid.
52:29>> No kidding.
52:30Yeah, he's >> Yeah, just dismissed it out of hand.
52:32>> He's just like It's going to be like a badge of honor to be sued by Kash Patel.
52:37Going to be like Let's get sued by him. Let's say this is really Kash Patel when you post the thing.
52:43I'm I mean, it's It's like being called an anti-Semite by Netanyahu. It's like a badge of honor.
52:49Well, we'll thank you. I do care about human life.
52:53All right, brother.
52:55>> All right, brother. It's great to talk to you.
52:57Anything you want to plug?
52:59Yeah, I got some dates coming up.
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53:17All right, y'all. Have a good show. Take care. Okay, take care.
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55:00>> That was really nice. Really some nice reading there, Jimmy. Really. Okay.
55:04>> Nice notch.
55:06Why don't we Why don't I read a couple?
55:08Yeah, go ahead. All right.
55:10Back to Stephy Z. All right, here we go, ladies and gentlemen. Nice work there, Misha.
55:15The looting is thoroughly bipartisan.
55:17You got that right.
55:19I've been a professional welder for 38 years, specializing in energy, mostly nuclear. My son is an assistant manager of a produce at a local supermarket. We are paid the same, 100k. Yes.
55:31All right, here we go. Larry Johnson reported that Iran launched 300 missiles inside Northern Israel, taking out five IDF battalions, crippling the occupation of South Lebanon. Who? The IDF begged for a ceasefire. Larry Johnson reported that Iran launched 300 missiles inside Northern Israel, taking out five IDF battalions, crippling the occupation of South Lebanon. The IDF begged for a ceasefire. Mikey, thank you, Mikey.
56:01Jimmy, I can't wait to see you with Keaton this Sunday on Due Dissidents.
56:06You are all amazing in saving the world.
56:10I I I I hope That would be nice, somebody saving the world.
56:16Uh-oh. Fully Laden Swallow was just wondering if you would be willing to have former astronaut Charlie Duke or YouTuber Den Dave McKeegan on for an interview on moon landings. That's a nice recommendation. Hold on there.
56:33Fully Laden Swallow.
56:35>> [bell] >> Bam.
56:38That's what you get for your time. All right, I'll make sure I share that with the the group.
56:42>> to be a soothing.
56:45>> [laughter] >> It's It hurts my head when you do it that loud.
56:50So, let's do a a little maybe medium. You know?
56:53>> Medium? Okay. I'll do it medium.
56:55>> in the middle.
56:57Something >> Maybe we should get it a mic for it or something, but that's uh Too startling for you?
57:02>> It's too loud.
57:05We're going to go to a break, and Jimmy and I are going to have an argument about how loud my gong is. We'll be right back.
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57:53Hi, everybody. Welcome back to the live stream. It's been quite a show already.
57:56We got It keeps getting better. The man, the myth is here, Larry Johnson, former CIA analyst, Deputy Director of the State Department's Office of Counterterrorism from 1989 to 1993, where he specialized in transportation security and anti-terrorism training.
58:12After leaving the government, he co-founded Berg Associates, an international consulting firm focused on terrorism, aviation security, and crisis management. He currently publishes analysis on intelligence, national security, and political issues on his blog, No Quarter. Welcome to the show, Larry Johnson. Hey, Larry.
58:33Hey, thanks. It's now It used to be No Quarter. I had to take it down when the witch hunt came after It's now sonar21.com.
58:40>> Oh, okay. So, all right. Thanks for that update. Yeah, that was in 2017 when I was helping Judge Napolitano, and man, FBI was after me and everything. It was crazy. Oh, no kidding. Okay, well, let me give you the Judge Napolitano welcome. Larry, my friend, you're always great. You You always [laughter] accommodate my schedule, which we appreciate very much.
59:02Thank you. Well done. Well done. So, So, now I I understand that you have some breaking news about what's happening with the Iran-Israel bombing. Is the Can you share it with us?
59:15Uh I'm I'm not I'm not sure what you're talking about. Uh okay. Yeah, let me find it right now for you.
59:22>> just gave us a super chat saying that you were reporting that Iran is bombing northern >> reported that Iran launched 300 missiles inside Northern Israel.
59:32>> That is an A That's an AI fraudulent site.
59:36>> Oh.
59:38They They I'm being imitated. You know, I guess they say imitation is the That's flattery. Form of flattery. Well, not not in this case. Yeah, they're doing They did the same with Doug McGregor.
59:47You know, the the notice flashed across my screen and Doug was saying, "Oh, they they bound you know, did this." So, yeah, there is a lot of misinformation out there and exaggeration.
59:57>> Okay. Okay. That's Yeah, you know what?
60:01Normally, we send it to the person to make sure it's not AI, but this just happened 5 seconds ago. So, that's why we didn't have it. We figured we had you.
60:09>> fine. That's fine. I'm glad I could debunk it right away.
60:12Uh speaking of um I wanted to get your uh if you can respond to this. I was watching our friend Judge Napolitano's show this morning and uh they were talking about how Putin's in trouble.
60:24Let's listen to a little bit and we'll see what you have to say about it.
60:27>> You have to You have to do some guesswork. And you can't be mistaken, but I think that which way the wind is blowing is fairly clear. And uh I as regards all three of the categories uh that you have mentioned, both the Kremlin insiders and those on the fringes and then the general public, the wind is clear. Putin is in trouble.
60:46And So, have you heard anything about that?
60:49I heard that their people are turning against how long this war is taking and they see Iran standing up to the US where he is kind of not. Well, what do you have any reaction to that?
61:00Yeah, uh Gil, unfortunately, doesn't know what he's talking about. Uh it was [laughter] uh I you know, the the latest the latest popularity public opinion poll has Putin supported like 76%.
61:15Yeah, man, he's in trouble.
61:17He's He's He's only got 3/4 of the country behind him. Um he has largely turned over the you know, the conduct of the war is in the hands of Gerasimov.
61:27Uh look, I've been I've been to Moscow seven times in the last uh 2 and 1/2 years.
61:32I've spoken directly, interviewed along with the judge uh Sergey Lavrov. Uh yeah, I think uh Gil Gil is looking for clickbait or headlines or whatever. Uh because Putin's fine. The spring offensive is cranking up. We keep getting these recycled stories about, "Oh, the Russian economy is collapsing."
61:51Yeah, it's collapsing in such a way that at the start of this war with Iran, Russia was selling oil at $47 a barrel.
62:00Uh now it's selling oil at $97 a barrel.
62:04So, it is more than doubled its money and uh they're they're uh they're doing they're doing okay. So, yeah, that that's just more Western uh I I would call it Western propaganda.
62:17Um so, what what what do you make of uh you know, Putin drag dragging this war out and not going for the jugular?
62:26It It is avoiding casualties. That's it.
62:28I mean, the the It's not like the you know, it's not like a football game or, "Hey, we're in the fourth quarter. Got 2 minutes left to go. You got to get out there and score that touchdown." No. The They are They're moving methodically. They've avoided casualties of both civilian casualties. You know, you compare the number of civilians that have been killed over the course of, you know, let's go back to 2014 2015.
62:52Compare that with what Israel has done to the Palestinians in, you know, a little over 2 years. It's It doesn't even uh register. So, uh they are the the their their spring offensive is moving right now. They're moving all along the line of contact from north to south. Uh they're surrounding Sumy, uh which is a major city that really is the gateway into Kiev. So, you know, this is uh we go through these cycles where the where the Western propaganda keeps pumping out uh the story like right now, "Oh, the the economy's in terrible shape and Putin's in trouble."
63:27Um there there is absolutely no sign of that. Uh this isn't the first time Gil's been wrong on something like this.
63:35And so, do do you think that Putin is going to go to Kiev and Yeah. But before this is over, Russia's going to be in control of Kiev and Odessa.
63:46Uh again, they're um they're probably going going to accelerate the the movement.
63:52They will They'll finish capturing the two last big cities uh in Kramatorsk and Sloviansk that are in the Donets and Donbas. And And once those are captured, they'll probably have those by the end of June, end of July. Uh then Donbas is captured and it's on to uh finishing off Zaporizhzhia. Uh this uh the Putin does not set the doctrine and strategy.
64:18It is the Gerasimov. It's the army that does that. Uh Putin will, you know, he gives his advice and there's certain areas where he will command, but the one one of the key things for him was, "Let's minimize the casualties of our own troops and minimize civilian casualties on the other side." So, uh if if there's such a thing as fighting a humane war, this is about as close as you get to it.
64:40And any prediction on when this will end?
64:44Um I I I think the end of this year is very is very possible.
64:48Oh, really? Okay. Well, it's it's been a It's been going on way longer than I thought it would go on. But it's definitely >> Yeah. It's definitely ending the way we predicted it on day one that it's going to end on Russia's you know, you know, this We're seeing a lot of parallels between the war in Iran. It's al- although it's only been going on for 55 56 days now with a you know, two and two weeks of that are ceasefire and what's happening in Russia.
65:16You remember early on in the war with the special military operation as the Russians called it. There were all these reports that Russia's running out of missiles. They're running out of missiles, you know, April, May. Now, anytime now, they're running out.
65:30They kept firing and cranking them out.
65:32Uh so, now that we've seen and that Putin made very clear in June of 2024 what his demands were from the West. And the West kept ignoring it. They You know, he said, "Look, Zaporizhzhia, Kherson, Donetsk, Luhansk, those are all now permanently part of Russia. We want NATO to get the hell out of Ukraine uh and uh you know, leave us alone, basically." And the West kept saying, "Oh, he doesn't mean that. He's willing to make a deal, ceasefire in place, leave half of Zapo- Zaporizhzhia or Kherson to us." No. It was all all His demands were clear. Same with the Iranians. The Iranians gave a 10-point
66:08plan to uh to uh Trump and they they said, "Look, lift the sanctions, unfreeze our assets, get a ceasefire between Israel, Lebanon, and Hezbollah, uh and we're going to keep control of the Strait of Hormuz."
66:25And Trump and company keep thinking they're kidding. And so, now we got the story circulating, "Oh, there's great division between the Iranian leadership that uh the Pezeshkian, the president, and Araghchi, the foreign minister, they're at odds with the IRGC." It's just more crap. It's not true.
66:42So, okay. Let's So, let's move on to Iran cuz it it happened again.
66:47Uh you know, if Trump were a yellow uh a geyser in Yellowstone, he'd be called Old Unfaithful. Yeah. Uh He says Trump is extending the Iran ceasefire now indefinitely, but he's going to maintain a blockade of Iranian ports. So, let's Here's his tweet where he talked about it. Uh based on the fact that the government of Iran is seriously fractured.
67:11Uh first, let's just stop there. Do you think the government of Iran is seriously fractured? I don't think so.
67:15No, all we got to do is read the statements. We've had statements today from the foreign minister, from the head of the parliament, and from the IRGC and they they all said the same thing. So, they're they're singing from the same sheet of music. It's the United States that has got the We don't have a conductor in charge of an orchestra.
67:34Okay. So, uh So, upon the request of Field Marshal Asim Munir uh and Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif of Pakistan, we have been asked to hold our attack on the country of Iran until such time as their leaders and representatives can come up with a unified proposal. I have therefore directed our military to continue the blockade and in all other respects, remain ready and able and will therefore extend the ceasefire until such a time as their proposal is submitted and discussions are concluded one way or the other. President Donald Trump." And of course, there's their foreign minister says blockading Iranian ports is an act
68:20of war and thus a violation of the ceasefire. Striking a commercial vessel and taking its crew hostage is an even greater violation. Iran knows how to neutralize restrictions, how to defend its interests, and how to resist bullying.
68:36Uh what do you make of Trump's statement and the response? Well, uh Trump is often in in la-la land. You know, some have described it uh Robert Barnes, I did an interview with him the other day and he's got pretty good information from inside the administration. Uh Trump is exhibiting demonstrable signs of early dementia. Um the you know, everything from uh threatening to end civilization for Iran followed up by these vicious vile attacks on Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Alex Jones, uh Riley Gaines for God's sake, and the Pope.
69:16You know, >> [laughter] >> it's like you want to come up with a list, come up with a short list of people he hasn't attacked.
69:21>> [laughter] >> You know, you know, it'd be one thing if he was going after it on substantive basis, saying, "You know, they said X, Y, and G and this is why it's wrong.
69:30But, no, it's it's the you know, it's the kind of crap you saw from 12- and 13-year-old, you know, yelling insults at each other and talking about each other's mother's sexuality. And and it is just, you know, to to call Tucker and Candace, well, Tucker low IQ, Candace low IQ, excuse me. And and then to compare Candace is not being as attractive as Mr. Macron, I mean, Mrs. Macron in France.
69:55>> [laughter] >> Yeah, deliberate mistake.
69:59It's just, you know, it it's it can't even be taken seriously. But, so there's there's real questions about Trump's mental status.
70:07If he wanted to out of this, then why do you impose a blockade when the Iran has said, "Hey, we're willing to open the Strait of Hormuz. Just meet our conditions." Plus, he says, "We're waiting for them to give us a coordinated plan." They already did that. They did that 14 days ago. So, that plan was delivered to to the the White House. J.D. Vance, my understanding, was the one who handled it in terms of getting it from Pakistan.
70:35Just Trump doesn't want to accept it.
70:38The deal is there to be had.
70:40Iran will agree to basically go back to the old JCPOA. You know, allow restrictions on how much enriched uranium they have, allow inspections of its sites. But, you know, more and more it looks like we're using the nuclear issue as a as just an excuse to attack Iran as opposed to that being the actual issue.
71:01So, on on Sunday, Biden's former cabinet member in charge of negotiations with Israel said that if Biden had been reelected, that he foresaw that they were going to have to do the same thing Trump did and bomb Iran because of their nuclear program.
71:24Do you What do you make of the What do you make of that?
71:26>> Yeah, that that that's just again, it's nonsense. Iran was willing to make the deal. Iran in fact made the deal. It was JCPOA.
71:36And then Trump tears it up and Europe never fulfills with removing the rest of the sanctions. So, then Iran embarked on, "Okay, we're going to we're going to enrich uranium up to 60% to see if they would bring them back to the table."
71:50Iran has maintained that they were they never had the intention to build a bomb.
71:55And and we actually we have historical evidence for this because if you go back to the 1980s when the United States backed Saddam in starting a war against Iraq. And then the United States under Ronald Reagan with Don Rumsfeld leading the charge supplied Iraq with chemical weapons. We supplied him with the precursors and starting in August of '83 until August of '88, Iraq launched a total of 20 weapon of mass destruction chemical weapons against Iran. And during that entire period, Iran never sought chemical weapons, never used chemical weapons even though they could have said, "Hey, you did it to us. We're
72:34going to do it to you." Why? Because of their religious belief that it was a sin.
72:40There's a novel concept. We actually have a country in the world that believes there are certain things you shouldn't do because it's wrong.
72:48What do you say to the people we just had on someone who was saying that Iran has been the number one chief sponsor of terrorism in the world for the last 47 years and It's a lie. It's a It's a bald-faced lie. Go back to the Just check it Don't take my word for it, folks. Go look up every year the State Department publishes It's now called Country Reports on Terrorism. When I was there, it was called Patterns of Global Terrorism.
73:16Since and and do it on whatever AI search engine. Since 2000, the number one sponsors of terrorism have all been you could put it as the United States or Saudi Arabia or Israel.
73:31But, not Iran. The most of the terrorist acts, 90% of them have been carried out by radical Sunni groups that have carried out attacks against Iran. That is one of the biggest lies out there.
73:45Oh, Iran is a sponsor of terrorism. But, here's here's the other point. We We say, "Well, they've been killing lots of Americans." Okay, let's go with that's the same through their proxies. So, they fund Hamas and Hezbollah. All right, let's use the proxy test. Hamas and Hezbollah combined have probably responsible for less than 3,000 American deaths over the last 46 years. And actually cuz Hamas didn't start until '87. Hezbollah started in '82. So, okay, we'll go back 44 years.
74:17But, [snorts] the United States backed Iraq. The United States provided chemical weapons to Iraq that were used against Iranians that killed over 350,000 Iranians.
74:29And then we get people saying, "Well, they chant death to America." No kidding.
74:34>> [laughter] >> We're We're pissed at them for killing 3,500 Americans. And we we did it we up the we up the the scale a little bit.
74:41But, not only that, we have continued to fund, organize, and arm a terrorist group.
74:47It's called the Mujahedin el-Khalq, MEK.
74:51It was a designated foreign terrorist organization in 1997 by my old office at State Department. And then in 2012, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama said, "Ah, never mind. As long as you're attacking Iranians, it's okay."
75:06And they carried out assassinations. My old outfit, CIA, started funding them, training them, and organizing them in 2004.
75:15So, like I said, this crap from American politicians and leaders trying to figure Iran is this big sponsor of terrorism.
75:22Sorry, it's a lie. I'll debate anybody about it anytime, anywhere.
75:28So, it's always I I interesting to me that uh ISIS and Al-Qaeda, for some strange reason, uh never attacks Israel. And now the head of Syria is the former chief head chopper from Al-Qaeda. And just as we predicted on this show that if you get rid of Assad, Al-Qaeda and terrorists are going to take over. And that's exactly what's happened. But, he says he wants to be in business with Israel and Benjamin Netanyahu. So, that tells me What does that tell you?
76:03Yeah, we've always used terrorism as an excuse, as a club, as a justification for stripping people of civil liberties among other things.
76:11Let's Let's recall Hamas has received over a billion dollars from a guy named Netanyahu. Uh-huh.
76:17>> [laughter] >> And you've got It's again, that's not some uh mythical story. All you have to do is go out and look up former heads of Mossad, former heads of the Israeli Defense Force. They admit that's what they were doing. And they were doing it for the express purpose of trying to prevent the Palestinian Liberation Organization from coming to power. And unfortunately, the truth is the United States has also funded ISIS in part. You know, on the one hand we're fighting them and on the other hand we're funding them. And we saw that same thing with respect to 9/11. That there were certain elements of the CIA
76:54that were working to find the the hijackers. And there was other part of the CIA that was actually supporting them and protecting them.
77:03Um So, let me let's just get back to uh what's happening right now. Iran TV tweeted out, "The Strait of Hormuz is the lock to which we hold the key. And any attempt to break it is your inevitable suicide. We do not threaten.
77:20We present you with one choice. Depart in peace or leave as wreckage. The decision to close the strait is the decision to erase your presence from our waters forever." Now, what happened most recently is, you know, Trump keeps saying that we got we destroyed their navy. Yet, uh this is according to Reuters, Iran seized two ships in the Strait of Hormuz, tightening its grip on the strategic waterway after President Trump called off attacks indefinitely with no signs of peace talks restarting. So, it seems like they have some kind of navy.
77:54And it seems like they are are still controlling the Strait of Hormuz.
77:59Um What What do you make? Yeah, maybe that's why they call them ghost ships.
78:03>> [laughter] >> You know, the mythical uh the supernatural. No, they Trump has lied again with respect to this. The The Iranian navy the they're not they're not a blue water navy. They're they're more like a coast guard because and they they use a lot of small boats called Boghammars.
78:23So, they've got a combination of drone boats. But, the reason they're able to close the Strait of Hormuz is not by what they have on the shores of of Iran and Oman. It's what they have inland.
78:37They have drones. They have coastal coastal defense cruise missiles. They have short-range ballistic missiles. All of which can be fired and targeted at any ship that tries to go through there.
78:49That's why they can keep it closed.
78:52That's why, you know, if we try to send send a naval force in there to try to open the strait, they'd be blown out of the water by those cruise cruise missiles and such.
79:02And those are Some of those are 100 to 200 miles inside the interior of Iran.
79:07Which means if you're going to try to put a ground force in there to go after it, you're going to need probably upwards of 500,000 to a million men to do that. And so, what is the point of Trump ramping up I've been told the numbers of 60,000 uh troops have been sent to the Middle East most recently. What's the point of that if you know you need way more than that to do a ground invasion? Yeah, no, it's just it's it's it's it's flexing muscle that we don't have. You know, go back to our invasion of Iraq in 2003. We did that with 165,000 troops. Understand that Iran is four times the size of Iraq for starters. We
79:48were able to they have assembled points for those troops. And the assembly point is the place where they can be secure, they're not going to face incoming missiles. Iraq really didn't have much of a Scud missile threat back then. So, those troops were safe in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
80:03However, Iraq Iran now has they have missiles they can fire 2,000 miles.
80:09Where do you put troops in an assembly area in a large force where they're not going to be attacked? And then how are you going to insert them? Let's take the scenario you're going to insert them on Kharg Island. Okay, let's let's say we want to do 2,000 troops. That means they're going to need 22 to 23 C-130Js cuz each C-130J carries 90 paratroopers in combat loads. So, just to get 2,000 guys on the ground you got to have 23 you know, it's going to look like rush hour at LaGuardia with all the planes in the air. And guess what? Iran still has air defense despite Trump's claims that they destroyed it all.
80:52Just ask the pilot of that F-15 that got shot down. Just ask the pilot of the A-10 that got shot down. Just ask the pilot of the F-35 and of the KC-1, you know, we got 48 aircraft that have gone down. So, Iran do that you're going to you know, they're going to be shot down. And then let's say they get to the ground then how [snorts] do you protect them against drones and short-range ballistic missiles that Iran has and will fire in on those positions?
81:18And again you come back and say what's the mission? What is the objective? To just own a piece of real estate? Because Iran is not dependent upon that island for all of its oil shipments overseas not by any stretch.
81:31So, our friend Seyed Mohammad Marandi tweeted out everyone should immediately leave the UAE Qatar, Bahrain, Saudi, and Kuwait sailors on all ships in the Persian Gulf must also be prepared to evacuate their ships. This is especially urgent for ships near the Strait [clears throat] of Hormuz which will be destroyed first.
81:53Time is running out. And what he's referring to is that Trump is going to restart the war after this ceasefire. And if they do, Iran is not going to respond proportionately. They're going to go for the jugular and they're going to take out the energy and the which means the desalination plants inside the Gulf states which means those it's a it's a crisis immediately and those people are going to have to leave the country.
82:21Isn't that what he's saying? And is that do you believe that's what Iran will do?
82:26Yes, I believe that's what they will do.
82:28He put that out before Trump came out and did his Taco Tuesday routine where he said, "Oh, we're we're extending now the ceasefire." But you're absolutely correct that when they take if the if the power plants in Iraq and Iran are attacked Iran is going to reciprocate and retaliate accordingly with all of the Gulf states. Now, here's the problem that the Gulf states have that Iran doesn't.
82:54You know, Professor Marandi and he's a good friend of mine.
82:58He can look out his window in Tehran and see the mountains in the distance.
83:02They're snow-covered. You don't have snow-covered mountains anywhere on the Saudi Peninsula.
83:08And so, when the middle of May hits, you you'd you'd feel more comfortable inside of fully heated pizza oven than you would walking around in Qatar or Riyadh or Dubai. Blazing hot. And so, if the power's out no air conditioning, those cities are going to have to be abandoned cuz people it is intolerable living. I I experienced firsthand back in 2006.
83:35I was in Qatar at Al Udeid Air Force Base en route going into Iraq.
83:42And when I heard that there were Europeans coming there for for vacation, I said these people are crazy. This is like saying, "Hey, I'd like to go to hell for vacation."
83:50>> [laughter] >> So, um here is what uh Adam Media tweets out. As expected, Trump extends the ceasefire time this time with no end date.
84:03Many have been expecting World War or nukes, but Iran has already won and this ends in a deal. The war officially ended in my mind when the two-week ceasefire was accepted. That was America's exit from the war. Do you think the war is basically it's cuz it's there's nothing Trump cannot escalate without completely demolishing the Gulf states demolished.
84:25So, is the war basically effectively over and that's why he's extending this ceasefire? I wish the fat lady had sung already, you know, but I'm afraid it's not and it's up to Trump and Trump's judgment is so fatally impaired that he has lost control over being able to think critically. Because you're right, this the deal is there to be had.
84:52And America America cannot win that.
84:55This is what people are having trouble understanding that we've been told over and over we got the best military in the world, we got the strongest military in the world. But we've got a military that's really was designed for the 20th century.
85:08So, we got this great navy with these huge aircraft carriers. The problem is if they get within 200 miles of the Iranian coast, Iran is shellacking them with drones and cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. So, they had to retreat back like the Abraham Lincoln did out to about 700 miles. Say, "Okay, we don't want to get in too close." So, right again that's that's neutralized.
85:29As we've seen, you can't get the the ground force in into Iran in any easy fashion. And frankly, we don't have the numbers. Our current our current army stands at like 452,000 and the Marine strength is about I think 140,000.
85:44Well, you're going to need upwards when you're going against a million-man army which is all the combined forces of Iran have, you're going to need about 3 million men.
85:53And and remember it took us 11 months to build up that 165,000-man force in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia back in 2003.
86:04So, there's and while all this is going on, the shutdown of the Gulf Persian Gulf is devastating the global economy.
86:13And those economic problems are going to they're going to hit like the tsunami wave once the tsunami wave because Russia and Iran.
86:21You know, we've had that period this period of the last 6 weeks that's been like the start where the you know, the water withdraws away and people say, "Oh, look at all the open beach." But that's just that quiet is literally the the calm before the storm.
86:36So, some people say that Trump is pulling off some 5D chess move where he's trying to starve China of oil and so this is his way and he doesn't care if the Gulf states get obliterated because then everybody's got to come get oil from us and their liquefied natural gas from us and that now we've got the petrodollar back and this is this it's going to any truth to any of that?
87:03No, no. Because he keeps saying, "Okay, we got we got Iran blockaded. Boy, we've got them cut off." You know, I think there's a country south of us it was Cuba. Cuba, that would be it. That we've had a blockade on it for like 66 years. Now, the people of Cuba have suffered and they've you know, economic privation, but it hasn't caused them to collapse.
87:24And what Trump and his team of folks seem to fail to understand is to the north of Iran is the Caspian Sea and they've got a direct boat link to Russia and to their west or to their east, you got Turkmenistan and you've got Pakistan. And Pakistan's got a port in Lahore. And Pakistan is more than willing to work with with Iran. So, Iran's not isolated in the way that we think we have isolated them. And then China and Russia are they're flooding in supplies regularly over the the railroad and over our highways.
88:00Larry Johnson, my good friend, you always have amazing insight and I appreciate you accommodating my schedule once again. I look forward to talking to you again if you'll come back on my show. I appreciate that. Absolutely.
88:11Listen, it was an honor to be invited.
88:13You know, I I watch you all the time.
88:15So, this is this is I get to come be a fanboy today.
88:18>> Okay. Well, likewise. Okay, Larry, thank you very much for coming on. Everybody check out What's the new name of your blog? sonar21.com Okay, sonar21.com. All right, thank you so much. See See you soon. All right, my friend. Thank you. Bye-bye. All right.
88:34Let's take a break and we'll bring on our next guest, right?
88:37Yes.
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