0:01Now, it because it relates to exactly what you're saying with a guy like Josh Harris, I completely agree. He's a transactional Yeah. individual and there's something that happens in people who I guess are just motivated by having a bigger number today than they did yesterday and that's all they care about where people before you even get to some of the [ __ ] horrible crimes that some of these people then end up doing, assume they don't for a second, I'm saying just people that are purely transactional.
0:28They start to view people as not people and that's another thing. Like Michael Rubin when he was on the ownership team with the Sixers, he you know, he at least was like a public guy and whatever and there's a lot of people who don't like Michael Rubin cuz they think he's like kind of weird or whatever, but like he knew how to talk to the people and he always had to clean up He was like the 10% owner of the Sixers. He always had to clean up Josh Harris's messes.
0:51Beginning of the pandemic, he was like the first owner to like cut all the staff Yeah. of the Sixers and then Michael Rubin and Joel Embiid came in and they're like, all right, yeah, but we'll we'll let the the employees of the [ __ ] company pay the other employees cuz the owner's not doing it. It's just it's kind of [ __ ] man. It's really [ __ ] It's extraordinary. I mean, like it's I mean, I mean, it's it's a kind of mental disease, right? It's not like I don't hate you for having mental disease, but I don't think you should be in charge. Yes. [laughter] You know, like I don't think politicians should
1:20answer to you.
1:21>> Yeah.
1:23Dave Chappelle had a great bit on one of his Saturday Night Live stand-ups like when he was doing the the opener. Maybe it was a couple years ago, two, three years ago, something like that, but he was talking about the phenomenon of like why Trump rose up and I'll get it wrong. He delivered it so perfectly, but he was like, you know, regardless of what you think his actual motivations are, whether he's just completely full of [ __ ] or whatever, when he was coming up, he was the billionaire in the suit who was in the room that you're not allowed into with all these people and was the only one to walk out the front
2:00door and look you in the eyes and say, "Yo, I've been in that room the whole time. You're not allowed in, but there's some crazy [ __ ] in there, bro." And everyone was like, "This [ __ ] at least he's talk Like, it doesn't seem that Right. Yeah. Like, it's not that these people they just don't under When they get transactional, they don't understand basic humanity. And if you guys wanted to manipulate people, all you got to do is walk out and pretend to care. Pretend to talk to them. And these guys >> don't even do that, you know? Have you heard of this phrase hubris syndrome?
2:29Hubris Like, the word hubris? Like, the pride? No? So, um what's the name The Okay, there's a book called The Hour Between Dog and Wolf.
2:38Oh, actually this is You're going to like this. I know about this book.
2:42Okay, so when >> Between Dog and Wolf?
2:44>> Yeah, this is really Yeah, John Coates.
2:45That's the guy. Wow.
2:49Well, I I Maybe he doesn't want me to say this, but I learned about this from a Sixers front office employee.
2:54>> [laughter] >> But, anyway.
2:56Uh Scott O'Neil? No. Um but, uh So, this guy >> who. I know I know who. I won't say.
3:04>> Um So, this guy worked on Wall Street and he during the dot-com boom and he noticed that that like super smart trader on Monday would make like a bazillion dollars on some trade. And by Friday, the guy's like drunk at work, you know, he smells like a prostitute, and he's making stupid trades. And he's like, "What? Like, this guy stopped being smart. Right? Like, what happened to him? Just because he made a bunch of money on Monday." And so, he's he went back to England and he did the He I think he has like a PhD or beyond now and he started this whole institute studying like this particular syndrome. Where basically, if you're in
3:36leadership and power for 10 years, I'm paraphrasing his work, you should read the real book he wrote on it, then your mirror neurons stop working. Like, you lose empathy. Wow.
3:47>> And so, like, you know, when we all watch a movie and see somebody like cut their hand, your hand hurts a little, right? Like, not if you've been in Trump's position for 10 years, right?
3:54You're just like whatever, man. I told people you're going to get hurt, you know? Like like And I feel like I'm seeing that right and left in the NBA, right? And in this Epstein story, right?
4:04>> Oh, yeah. No, no. That's wow. That's what he called it, the hour between dog and wolf?
4:10>> [laughter] >> That's sick.
4:13God, what a title.
4:15There's a follow-up book. So, this book is the before version and then he went and did a bunch of research and wrote another book that I forget the name of, but um Did Did his name rhyme with Schminky?
4:26I mean, that's a really good guess and Sam Hinkie and I are friends, but in fact, I did not learn about this book from >> to get Sam Hinkie on the podcast.
4:34>> He's a reticent He's a reticent little guy.
4:37>> I know he is, but he's a genius. Yeah, he's a genius. Yeah. Yeah, he's a very smart guy.
4:42>> Okay, hour but the hour between dog and wolf, I'm going to read that.
4:45>> book. That makes a ton of sense because it's your it's human nature gets used to things, no matter what it is. Negative, supposedly positive, and everywhere in between, but like you get used to I've seen it, you know? It's It's like complacency in a way. It's the same psychology, so it makes sense because you get it far enough removed in your ivory tower or whatever that then everything below you is just grass. And there's a weird, you know, there's something that's going on with these like >> [snorts] >> You know, I I went to a snobby British boarding school for a short amount a very short like less than a semester.
5:19What You said you were born in Britain?
5:20>> born in England. Um Moved here though as an infant?
5:23>> Moved here and then my parents got divorced and then my dad became like really excited that we should that I was coming to America was a mistake and we should move back. And so we're like They were kind of like efforts, you know?
5:32Like Like there were [laughter] like efforts to move back. They didn't really take. Uh um but for a while and I was in this ritzy boarding school and and you just have this feeling of like oh, like like there's a portion of this hubris hubris syndrome that's part of like England's rigid class structure. A little bit of a let them eat cake kind of thing where it's like, well, we can't fix everything for everybody, right?
5:58>> Yeah, and there's a little bit of like it's ingrained. And like why would you want that? It's like, well, I think you want that cuz you you you need everyone to feel okay with the fact that like it's going to suck for a bunch of people. Yes. Right? And but we do have these carriages and we do have these like beautiful shiny, you know, people [snorts] on horseback and everything and it's all wonderful. Don't don't get confused, but like yeah, Jeffrey Epstein was invited to the Buckingham Palace a bunch of times.
6:21He was landing He was landing on active military bases as well. They're finding that out.
6:28>> That's not a good sign.
6:29>> Like cleared to land on active British military bases like the day >> private jet?
6:35Wow.
6:36That's not good.
6:37>> Like what?
6:39You guys.
6:40>> know? You guys. Who do [laughter] you know?
6:43>> We're going to need some better explanations than we've had so far. This is where to me like I just take this It's like, okay, just take one landing, right? One landing of a Jeffrey Epstein jet and it's like I think it would be really useful for a journalist to like just go talk to everybody.
6:59>> Yes. Like like just make a make a huge thing out of a small thing, but really do the homework. Don't give it away. Go do it.
7:07But there's a [ __ ] 10,000 of them.
7:10>> Like I I I just I'm Some journalist There's there's a There's an airfield in What's going to be like Surrey or something, right? Like like just go do it. Just go talk to everybody who was working that day. They're probably still around. Like and just figure out what happened.
7:23>> Go right here. You know what I mean?
7:25Like Yeah. We haven't really had that level yet. We haven't had time for those stories to come out, but I think those are like there's there are We have evidence of I don't know, a million crimes. Like just tell me one. Yeah. Get the Get it narrated. None of them are narrated really now other than like the victims.
7:41Yes.
7:42>> So like we're putting them in this weird spot of like, "Well, I don't know."
7:46Right? Like, if it's true. It's like, "No, let's figure it out. Let's stitch the whole quilt together, you know? Like like what happened on this day at this place?" It's like a This is like a dystopian uh I'll just invent a stupid term right now, like black fairy tale. So, like the opposite of a fairy tale, where there's this whole Sims world and you could just like put a blindfold on and hold your finger and land right here and open it up and it'd be like, "All right.
8:15So, I landed on 1997 Surrey Airport Jeffrey Epstein lands. Let's go there."
8:22And you can write a book about it. You write a book about the next day.
8:25>> Absolutely. Absolutely. And this guy was operating probably since the late '70s in a way at Bear Stearns at least. Yeah. Yeah.
8:35Have you been Have you heard at all like there's a there's a like a DJ guy, like a local radio guy in the Mexico, who's been investigating Epstein since like forever? No, let's shout this guy. Yeah, no. I don't know his name, unfortunately. But um I I uh New Mexico like radio DJ, you said?
8:52Yeah. Yeah, you'll you'll see it. Um he's he's given a bunch of interviews and stuff, but he basically just he has he's like they're like, "Why did you Why were you doing this?" And he's like, "Cuz I don't have a call screener." Like Yeah, that's the guy.
9:04>> screener?" Yeah. So, so people would call his show and they'd be like, "Yo, some crazy stuff's happening at this ranch."
9:13>> [laughter] >> And Imagine being that guy. [laughter] Like, you're holding this insane secret and you're like, "Man, what do I I'm going to call the radio ninja."
9:23>> [laughter] >> "That's it. Hey, Steve from Long Island, friend of the show."
9:27>> [laughter] >> Jesus Christ. [snorts] >> But he's pretty locked in to like Like, he would be the perfect person to write one of these books.
9:35>> He looks like he investigates Epstein.
9:37All yeah, let's scroll down, Dief. You got it.
9:39>> But he's got like pretty deep He basically was like, "I know everybody who worked there."
9:44At [snorts] Zorro?
9:45>> Yeah. He's like, "I know which ones were allowed in the house, which ones were allowed in the barn. I know like and like what their shifts were." Like he knows like all the stuff. I'm like, "Okay, well this is a good starting point for the narrative the fund to consume not fund to consume but like the the well-told version as opposed to just like this litigious kind of like just dropping a bunch of facts and documents, right?
10:05People aren't going to get it that way.
10:07Zorro's the one I'm starting to deep dive on behind the scenes a little bit.
10:12I think say uh Sergie on Twitter got me into this. He's doing some great work. I hope I'm saying that right. I've been talking with him. He's going to come on the show. Guy's doing amazing stuff but he's digging on a lot of stuff. I think initially when I saw one of his threads, I want to say, I was like, "All right, it's time." But that Do you know who owns that now?
10:33It's like some friend of Epstein's, right?
10:36>> Don Hef Well, indirectly. Okay. Don Hefines or something. Okay. Who's This is New Mexico. He bought it. By the way, who the [ __ ] wants to buy something like this after it's all exposed? Like that's just crazy. So it's this like very Bible thumping kind of guy and I say it that way cuz it's like why are you buying this?
10:54Who's running for maybe solicitor general or something in Texas right now backed by Steve Bannon.
11:03So I To the extent that this is a big thing, right? Like people keep seem to doing things that don't seem to be in their best interests.
11:11>> Mhm. So like Do you think Leslie Wexner really wanted to just give power of attorney to somebody over all of this money, right? I don't think Leon Black wanted to give power of attorney to someone over his money, right? Like um or all of these properties I mean or like two townhouses in Manhattan transact for like $10 each or whatever they did and like the like both like Like this is somebody telling someone to do something, right? This is not like why wouldn't you sell it at market rates?
11:38>> And one of them standing next to the president right now.
11:40>> It just like there's no like it just doesn't make any sense. Like to me like Like we don't know who the boss is.
11:46Right? I I don't think we know who the boss is or bosses. Like >> [snorts] >> That sounded crazy when I said that like that. But >> [laughter] >> But But to me I'm like like I don't know man. Leon Black was someone told him to give all his money to Jeffrey Epstein.
12:00>> Yeah. Right? Like it feels like that to me. Your early point about the compromat thing being the right of passage makes a lot of sense cuz Wexner Like you see they've always asked Wexner about if he had a gay relationship with Jeffrey Epstein which actually for all the sick [ __ ] Jeffrey Epstein did like this is the one like him using compromat of like a gay relationship with another guy is the one I would actually think he didn't do because every piece of evidence we've ever looked at it was always girls or young women. Right? So he had a type and it wasn't guys. What I do wonder though is if part of the compromat of Wexner
12:40was that he was gay or something and then maybe was also doing some really bad stuff that's beyond like being gay and maybe abusing boys and stuff like that and maybe that's how they got in because there's a threat. I've talked about it a few times before and someone more talented than me and who knows more about this stuff and follow on the money should really pull on it. But what I can't get out of my head is If Tara Reade Mary did a great podcast.
13:09I'm sorry for people who've heard me say this before but I got to repeat this for a minute. He he did a great pod or she did a great podcast back in 2020, two of them. One was like the Maxwells and one was Epstein. Mhm. And with Epstein she went around with that one she went around with Virginia Roberts Giuffre.
13:25And it's like a documentary. She did eight episodes where she's recording like an edited documentary. And what they would do is they would go to the usually gated communities of people connected to Epstein who Virginia had known from her time around him and try to talk to them. So, they went to Adam Perry Lang, the famous chef who knew Virginia and he was like, "Oh, I remember you." and said, "You can't come meet with me."
13:46But when they went to Juan Alessi's mansion, I guess, in in his community, he let them in. Juan Alessi was the house manager for Epstein. Immigrant.
13:56Had to sign a crazy NDA, all this stuff.
13:58And to his credit, he allowed Tara to put the recorder out and record all of them talking. And he said a lot of interesting things in there, but among them was he talked about how in 1992 he's like, "Epstein had money in the '80s and I worked with him and he lived on the Upper East Side and everything, but 1992 [ __ ] went crazy, right?" He started flying in private jets everywhere. I think he started looking at buying his own jet at the time. He wasn't I'd said this earlier, but he wasn't in the mansion yet. I know that now. But I I have to run back to that podcast and see exactly what Juan Alessi
14:34said. But basically, he said he went from whoa to whoa, like out of nowhere.
14:39>> [snorts] >> And it's very fascinating to me because Robert Maxwell was pushed off that boat in November 1991.
14:47His body was immediately taken to Israel, to the Mount of Olives, the most sacred place he could be buried, funeral attended by heads of state. We can all do the math there. And buried with honors, but leaves behind a $400 plus pension scam at his company and was supposedly worth nothing.
15:04Robert Maxwell was a very bad guy.
15:06Never made sense to me that he was worth nothing, especially when his sons were then put on trial for that and found not guilty.
15:12When are scions ever found not guilty when they bilked the [ __ ] public or a bunch of regular Joes from what they did. And so, Epstein getting all that money at the same time and also cosying up to Wexner at the same time who is a money bag man when you look at a lot of the evidence surrounding like the case.
15:31Very That's That has never squared up to me.
15:36And but I can't speculative. But it's >> [snorts] >> it's interesting because like you said for him to be granting all that power including power of attorney given him in that place for 10 bucks. Yeah.
15:49Something. Yeah. Something ain't right.
15:51And I think if I'm right that before that Epstein Before he lived in that townhouse, Epstein lived in a building owned by Iran.
16:01I'm pretty sure. Correct me if I'm wrong on this. Either he had an office or he lived in a place Epstein All right, let's look this up. Did you step out for a second? Epstein building owned by Iran. Like And that would have been post-revolution Iran?
16:16Yeah, I think I think Did you see that?
16:18Did I make that up?
16:19>> All right, let's see. The State Department once rented a townhouse seized from Iran.
16:24So, they seized it from Iran to Jeffrey Epstein then sued him for subletting it.
16:31Classic. He makes a profit on it.
16:33[laughter] That's classic.
16:36A weird and forgotten case from the '90s shows how connected Epstein was to power.
16:42So, his Upper East Side mansion has become This is from BuzzFeed News has become notorious for its reportedly macabre interior decor amidst size and monetary value.
16:52And as the site of some of his lurid alleged crimes, but Epstein, the financier who has been charged with sex trafficking and accused of sexually abusing young girls, used to live in a different Upper East Side mansion only a few blocks away. It's mansion It's a mansion that's embroiled him in a dispute involving a lawyer for French Connection heroin ring suspects, the State Department and transitively the government of Iran.
17:15The now forgotten case laid out in newspaper clips from the time and extensive court documents offers a glimpse into the strange facet of Epstein's life at the time.
17:24Beginning in February 1992, Epstein rented a former Iranian government building that had been taken over by the State Department during the Iranian Revolution at 34 East 69th Street. So that's literally like two blocks away.
17:37In one of Manhattan's most expensive neighborhoods at a rate of $15,000 a month.
17:42But things went sour when by the way, $15,000 a month in February 1992 is a lot of money. It's clocking. And he got it in February '92.
17:51What I just said with Juan Alessi. It's clocking.
17:54So but things went sour when the government sued Epstein in the Southern District of New York alleging that he had at one point failed to pay the rent on time and had violated the lease by moving out in early 1996 and subletting the plate the place without the State Department's submission. His subtenant was Ivan Fisher, a New York City criminal defense lawyer who had famously defending defended members of the French Connection and the Pizza Connection Italian Sicilian mob drug rings. The government also sued Fisher. Jesus Christ, man.
18:26And then I you know, I mentioned I've been Bosque earlier, but I'm like he We should look this up, but I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that after So he There's a thing called so The CIA installed the Shah of Iran. Yes.
18:44>> Not even controversial. Not even controversial. That was Kermit Roosevelt, right? Yeah. Yeah, like Teddy Roosevelt's nephew or something.
18:50>> Yeah, something like that. And with MI6 and then like cuz Mosaddegh had been elected and was going to nationalize the oil. Yep. Can't have that. Yeah. And so now it's like I think of BP mostly or whatever after that. So So the Shah was like not a good ruler, right? It was in the Pahlavi family.
19:09And then there's the Pahlavi Foundation owned a skyscraper in Manhattan, which I think later was seized to and like distributed to um victims of terrorism.
19:20But I'm pretty sure that in between uh I'm in Bosky had an office [laughter] in there.
19:26Which is like what the [ __ ] So look, I don't It would make sense. Um >> [snorts] >> when you told me that what you just read out loud, that kind of stuff makes me think like, well, the unseen part almost has to be intelligence.
19:45Do you know what I mean? Like like I just who else could pull this kind of thing off where like you're kind of keeping this guy in these houses.
19:54And you're and they're you know, he definitely got a sweetheart deal on the next townhouse up.
19:59But like Got a sweetheart deal on this one, too.
20:02>> And the guy, you know, um you know, when he was at Bear Stearns, Bill Casey was there.
20:06Um I forgot about that. Tell people who Bill Casey was. So Bill Casey ended [snorts] up running the CIA, but he Another one who could stop a clock. Oof.
20:16Yeah. But he Bill Casey I I I'll just tell you that and if you read all the books I've read and all the freaking research like his name just comes up 10 million times associated with like >> [sighs and gasps] [snorts] >> some of the shadiest stuff you've ever heard the CIA the CIA being accused of.
20:35Um a lot of Noriega meetings, you know, this kind of stuff. Um so and you know, and all and Iran-Contra. Mhm. Um so yeah.
20:44>> like the architect of that if I remember correctly. Yeah. And then um while Epstein had somewhere in these years Epstein has an office maybe in that building that he shares with Stanley Pottinger.
20:58Who was he again?
20:59>> Stanley Pottinger was like a a major figure in Iran-Contra who um later became like a popular novelist and I think his son is in the Trump administration right now, but [snorts] Stanley Pottinger um many people believe was like working on behalf of the CIA in Iran Contra.
21:22Feels like all you got to do is be connected to Jeffrey Epstein and you get a job in the government. [laughter] Every government, Democratic and Republican. It's just >> Leon Blackston has a job.
21:32>> and that's what I'm saying. Yeah.
21:34So to you know, just on the surface sons are you're not guilty of what your father did. I love Woody Harrelson, he's a great actor. You know what I mean? Like his dad was a serial killer.
21:45That said >> That was a crazy podcast. [laughter] I forget what was it called?
21:49The The Was that another serial one? I don't think so. I think it was an independent one, but anyway. Not story, but you know, that said, when you're running a White House especially, there's no place where optics matter more. Yeah.
22:05And to hire this [ __ ] guy, his son, into the White House after all this [ __ ] was out, what are you doing?
22:13What are you doing?
22:15I I've always felt like Trump was kind of like an errand boy for bigger forces, you know? And to me it's like, well, they just they just told him to do it, you know? That's why. They told him to do it.
22:24>> Yeah, you know what? He's There's something that really sticks out with me. When he did that podcast with Joe Rogan shortly before the election, one of the things Joe asked him about was all the turnover of people from his first administration and I forget ex- I'm going to paraphrase. People can go check it out and see what he said, but in a very un-Trump-like way, he actually admitted, you know, it maybe Joe asked him like some mistakes. Maybe that was how he asked it. Are there some mistakes from your first administration that you wouldn't want to do again?
22:59And Trump was like, he said some of the people I hired and some of the people I brought around and indeed brought up John Bolton. He's like that guy never saw someone he didn't want to bomb. You know, look at us now, right? And and he actually got John Bolton arguing against the Iran war.
23:15That's how ass-backwards we are. But like there's something to it that maybe those people are people it's what you're saying. They were like placed around him and he just agreed to it and now maybe he's doing it again despite the fact that he seemed to have at least some self-awareness.
23:32He was doing that last time, but it is I agree Henry. It's hard for me to not see that same pattern cuz it's like how many of these guys are you going to put around you that it just is easy for us on a [ __ ] podcast to pull up and be like well look who he's connected to.
23:45You know.
23:46>> way it's the best and brightest. You know what I mean? It's these are not the like the people who I mean just look at Christine Ohme whatever. Like she's just a [ __ ] >> terrible [ __ ] But unthreatening, right?
23:56Like she's not going to like no one's going to say we should make her president to replace him. You know what I mean? Like Like it's safe for him. He's like she won't 25th me. Yeah, [laughter] no chance.
24:07No chance.
24:09Oh my god, that's good.
24:11>> [laughter] >> Jesus Christ. Real quick, Henry, can I just run to the bathroom? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's always a good idea.
24:16>> be right back.
24:17All right, so we actually just while we were taking a bathroom break, there's something a little fresh off the press.
24:23I just sent it to you. Do you have we got it? Mhm.
24:26So, you're going to like this.
24:29New Can you go back? I No, that's actually good. Sorry, Deef. So, new Jared Kushner and family and Epstein were close according to latest Epstein files. Who's this from, Deef? At Merlin This is from Mar- just X out for a sec.
24:44>> Oh, sorry. So, I can give the Twitter account. Merlin's Capital. Merlin Capital. Okay, so there's an email August 24th, 2017 to Michael Wolff, the author where Wolff says, "Great, I'm in DC on Wednesday with Kushner. How about Thursday?"
25:03And and And after Jeffrey Epstein said he was in Wednesday to Friday. And then go to the next one, thief.
25:11April 9th, 2015 to uh subject Josh Kushner redacted writes to Jeffrey Epstein, "Were you the one that introduced him and Steven? His girlfriend Karlie Kloss just did a coding thing for girls. We are about to do something similar at the bank." So, this is someone at a bank. That's interesting. We can reach out officially, but always nicer to have a personal touch when possible. I wonder if this is just Staley who wrote this.
25:36I'm totally speculating, but And then go go to the next one right here. There you go. Mother lode. Friday, May 17th, 2019 from Chris Del Oreo to redacted subject Apollo/Epstein/Kushner connection.
25:52>> Okay.
25:53Have you this Chris guy, Chris Del Oreo, are you are you familiar with his name?
25:56>> No. So, in the Epstein files, if you if you search the stuff that I search, Mhm.
26:01uh Chris Del Oreo is a disgruntled He's like an engineer who got ripped off with some startup or something. And since then he's been emailing the SEC like like he he he has these just See that big blacked out wall at the bottom of that email? That's because he's writing to like the entire SEC like one by one.
26:20And he's just like he basically like is is sketching out massive money laundering fraud of all kinds. And he's narrating it like I He's one of the these people who I'm like I don't know if he knows what he's talking about or not. I have no reason to believe he doesn't, but like, you know, it's just Right.
26:36>> If you read these Chris Del Oreo emails, they're all just like 10,000 crimes are alleged. And it's like, "I I probably I don't know. Like, sure." Uh we have to do a little homework, but he's an angry plugged-in guy. And he's all tuned into the idea that like all of these people are money laundering and committing various financial crimes.
26:54>> one, man, cuz he's had so much power in both administrations. Not like he's pulling the strings and stuff. There's some people who want to believe that he's not, but he's had significant power to negotiate deals, especially in the Middle East. And it's like you hear him talk, he's not a dummy. I'll give him that. Like he's he's clearly a smart guy, but came into a lot of money and as a real estate guy hasn't been the most successful dude ever. I mean, they had the famous building, what was it? 666 in Manhattan or something like that. Can we look that up, Dief? They bought for some outrageous sum and it was worth
27:29half that like a year later.
27:31Is that Is that right? Yeah, 666 Fifth Avenue. Interesting number on that one.
27:36Uh but now 660 Fifth Avenue is purchased in 2007 for a record 1.8 billion.
27:44Often troubled real estate dealings before a 2018 bailout. It was the most expensive building purchase in New York City history at the time of its acquisition by Kushner Companies. It's just weird. Like why Like you're trying to negotiate no war with Iran, allegedly, and you're sending Steve Woodcock and Jared Kushner?
28:07Yeah. Like New York City real estate guys?
28:10Yeah. No, it's What we're talking about transactions and deal guys, right? Like to me, the whole Trump administration are deal guys. Yeah.
28:20>> Right? Which means like um the opposite of a deal to me is a relationship. Like a real, honest, like, you know, like a marriage or a, you know, whatever.
28:28>> Um So, like, we think of the government as like, "Oh, well, these are our representatives like for America." And they're thinking about America's interests. And it's like I've seen no evidence of a single scrap of that anywhere in any of the Trump administrations. Like, "No, these are deal guys." Yeah. And there's a story um really amazing book by Connie Bruck called Predators' Ball, which is like the story of Milken and Drexel. It's like it's great.
28:51>> Predator, you're bringing some great books up.
28:53>> Oh, you got to read that book. Connie Bruck is like a legend She's a New Yorker writer. She's a legend. She knows so much. Uh she was in the room for a lot. Like it's incredible work. But um one of the themes of that book is that Michael Milken had his brother work with him. And his brother kept another set of books.
29:12Which wasn't It wasn't like fake Drexel books. It was Milken books, right? It was like at the time that they're investing on behalf of Drexel, they're also investing on behalf of Milken.
29:22>> Right. And so the the his brother's books were very threatening and felt off to like the other Drexel employees cuz they're like, "Well, what are you guys doing? Like I know what we are doing, but what are you doing?" And this was the like And I feel like that's a hallmark. This second set of books to me is a hallmark of you know, it's never good. Um And that's where, you know, like Josh Kushner is mentioned there. So like he's the one who's married to Karlie Kloss and part owner of the Memphis Grizzlies. Um Is he really? I didn't know that. And so it seems to me like uh family is particularly good to have
30:00this like second accounting, right? But basically, you know, Jared Kushner in the first administration, there was a New York Times article was flying to like all meet with all of these people on behalf of Trump in like the Middle East.
30:11>> Yep. But Josh Kushner went around the same time and did deals.
30:16Cuz [snorts] like, "Well, what's the second set of books happening there, right? It's like like Jared wants Saudi Arabia to do X, Y, and Z on behalf of the taxpayers of America, but then Josh is like, "Eh, you know, it wouldn't hurt if you invested in this thing, that thing, right?" And so Josh has been frequently successful in raising money.
30:32And so I you know, the fact that like to me an ideal person would be God love him, you know, people got to buy things, but like the last person you would send to go and represent you and me in Tehran or whatever, right? Like of course not. They're going to do deals because that's what deal people do.
30:51>> Yes. Um it's like the scorpion and the frog or whatever, right? Like they're going to the the beneficiary of the deal is going to be this guy, right? It's like, well, we need someone who's trying to benefit the [snorts] hundreds of millions of Americans, right? And it's like, we don't we don't have that.
31:04>> I think what you're pointing out on a bigger scale is something that I just think is is the way it is now and that is in most cases every accusation is a projection. You know, when you look at these two parties, the Democrats and Republicans, they each have their different weak points of like things that they do wrong or things that it's like objectively like what the [ __ ] was that, but the style with which they do it, the swampy kind of style, is the same. Yeah.
31:30>> And that's what's really like removing the politics and everything from it, that's what's been really disappointing about Trump, particularly in his second term. It's like this is the outsider.
31:42This is the guy that's supposed to come in and drain some stuff and I'm seeing the same [ __ ] that plagued the Biden administration happening in some different vortex with Trump and I think the way you're characterizing it of like it's just make a deal and there's some of that stuff that of course that occurred in the first administration as well as you're pointing out like you know, more for me but not for thee.
32:05And that's just that's the way this class of people thinks and what's even scarier, Henry, is that one of the things that's becoming clear from these emails that I think I I I've cited it a million times now, I'm going to keep citing it, but I think Tucker Carlson put it perfectly. He's like, there's this supra government kind of thing. He's like, there is your elected leaders, some of your leaders of industry and the people that you think have power, but there's actually two classes above them. The top class is the people who really run the world. The class in between there is really rich fixer people who work for those people
32:39and tell the people that you think run the world what the [ __ ] to do. And Jeffrey Epstein's in that middle class.
32:44You can think of like the Rothschilds in the top class or whatever, but that's kind when you see people running around the world and making deals behind the politics, you got to think they're from those top two classes right there.
32:56Yeah. And I think I I you know I think that's right, but I also think don't give them too much credit. Like to the extent that I've had any exposure, like they're do they're not super wizards. They're not super villains. They're not movie like they're douche bags. Like they're they're getting away with it because they're appointed and chosen representatives like cuz we fall for it. So that's why I think like what you're doing is kind of this is the front line of this battle for America or whatever right here right now because >> us, Dave.
33:26>> Yeah, it's you guys. [ __ ] go.
33:28>> [laughter] >> Because to me like the question is like when whoever takes the microphone to explain like well, we looked into it and it turns out like what cause in the clear. Do you buy it? Is the question, right? Like for most of history like this cabal's brand of BS has worked cuz you have like, you know, a white guy who went to a good college and wears a red tie and a blue suit and speaks in a certain tone and has certain bar certification whatever and that person says like well, you know, it's all which it all checks out. And then enough Americans are like well, they said they looked into it, right? But now it's
33:59like, you know, the head of BCCI flew on Jimmy Carter's plane. No, no, sorry.
34:04Jimmy Carter flew on his plane all over.
34:08And I'm like [ __ ] >> [laughter] >> Not okay.
34:15And I don't want Jimmy Carter I mean I don't I don't want anyone to tell me that it was all in the clear. It's like no, I want you know, evidence or I don't believe anybody.
34:24Right? And who was banking with BCCI at that time and what were they doing? Can you explain the whole BCCI thing?
34:29[snorts] Let's let's do it. I've been holding off all day. Let's go.
34:34Well, so BCCI was um there was a guy named Abedi, A B E D I, I'm not sure if I'm saying it right, who was I think kind of a genius who figured out that basically there wasn't an Arab bank, but there were all these like Arab governments that might invest with an Arab bank.
34:53And so they went around to all of these governments and said, "Hey, you you should you can bank with the Jews if you want, but like why wouldn't you bank with us?" And so they had a really great time this raising money across Africa and the Middle East. Um at the same time though >> Pakistani Abedi >> was in Pakistan, yeah. Um and you know, depends who you believe on this exact point, but it kind of looks like this guy Abedi went to the royal family of Abu Dhabi, which was before there was such a country as the United Arab Emirates.
35:22They were the un-United Arab Emirates, right? And Abu Dhabi was one of them.
35:26And this Al Nahyan family like ran Abu Dhabi. And he was like, you know, like if you guys had got together, you could be kind of a moving force in the banking world. Cuz they had oil.
35:37Right? Instead of being all like, you know, these how many there are seven Emirates I think um and being all warlike with each other, just get together and you can be kind of a big force. And so it it looks like BCCI formed the UAE.
35:50And then uh and but meanwhile we learn later that BCCI has like squads of people that murder.
35:57They They have um there's like all the opium is grown in Afghanistan and then it's exported into the tribal areas of Pakistan and then it was processed in all these different processing facilities that had a bunch of deep CIA ties. And then they make a bunch of money, but what you can't get your money out of Pakistan. Well, and like BCCI was like, "We got you."
36:17Um a lot of the biggest ship There was like a huge shipping company was like BCCI's biggest client, like just shipping stuff all over the world. And uh and so it became this kind of catchall of it's definitely a bank.
36:30Uh, it was maybe also just like a hub of transnational crime, certainly involving drug money. Um, and then the CIA banked there.
36:39Cuz the story was because they needed ways to like, you know, move money quietly offshore. Yes, and they do need that. Okay, get this though. This is where There's so many parts of this that are batshit crazy, but one part of it is so then they hired secretly they hired one of the most reputable lawyers in DC. I think his name I I don't want to guess at his name, but it's easily findable. I've published it.
37:03Um and he kind of ran interference because they were banned from the US banking system, but they wanted to buy US banks to get their assets from this dirty network.
37:13>> Why were they banned?
37:15Great question. I don't know. The banking regulators in the US were like, "We're not doing this BCCI thing."
37:21for some reason. I mean, they were controversial. They were on the cover of Time magazine. It was like, "The world's dirtiest bank." And so, you know, it wasn't like a total secret. And maybe financing terrorism, I think. Terrorist money came through BCCI. We don't like that. Yeah.
37:31>> Yeah. So, but this guy like basically made it so they sneakily bought the Bank of Georgia and I think another bank in the US. Using shell companies. Yeah, using shell companies with with like this, you know, highly regarded American lawyer as like installing the figurehead run Okay, so all this is happening. Okay.
37:51>> [laughter] >> Here's where it gets really crazy. As this is happening, uh in Beverly Hills, the high-ranking employees of Drexel call Michael Milken Shep.
38:04That's his nickname. Shep?
38:06>> Shep.
38:07>> S H E P? S H E P, which is short for Shepherd, which is the villain, the arch global villain who leads a team of murderers in this um novel called The Matarese Circle.
38:21And like it's a it's a Ludlum thriller about like, you know, this this global cabal that uses young women as sexual playthings to entrap people and then like controls the world by taking over boards and murdering people who don't go along, right? That's the You're not beating the allegations right now. So they So they call him Shep. And then in that book, they're like you like there's there's you know, there's still all the spies and running around and good guys and bad guys. But in that book, and the sexual slaves and all this stuff. But in that book, they're like like well, how do you move the money? It's like, "Oh,
38:50like through a bank, through an Arab bank. They have their headquarters in Atlanta." Which is actually where at that time when this book came out, nobody knew that BCCI, the Arab bank, secretly controlled this bank in Atlanta. When I read that Atlanta line, I was like, "What the fuck?"
39:05>> [laughter] >> Yeah. And then there's definitely BCCI had um significant overlap with Drexel Burnham Lambert. Like their money intermingled in a bunch of ways. Um They got in some [clears throat] trouble for it, but I think we probably only saw a tiny percentage of it. But when I get to that quick question though, you mentioned they were involved in laundering, basically taking the money and possibly partnering with CIA to do it, that was coming through the illegal heroin trade in in Afghanistan. Yes.
39:34You know John Kiriakou tried to blow the whistle on that. Oh. Yes. That would have been very helpful if he had. Yeah.
39:39>> Yeah. And then they arrested him right after on a case they had closed. He was working for John Kerry, who he said is like the worst guy ever. Yeah.
39:46>> And he was the investigator for the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee.
39:51Yeah. And he went to Afghanistan and he's like, "The fuck?" Yeah. "We're supplying 93% of the world's heroin?"
39:57And they're like, "Yeah, don't look at that." Yeah. And then he got a charge.
40:01And then that then you know, at the one of those committees, it might have been the Church Committee, like they were basically like Southern Air Transport, like you know, what's this? And they're basically you know, it's in the meeting like CIA planes cocaine into the US. And and they're like, "Well, what do you do?
40:18They asked some CIA guy like you know like would you do it again? And he's like well like you know not this way or whatever. Like what do you mean? Like like we would definitely just be like way more covert.
40:28>> [laughter] >> literally moved that company to Leslie Wexner's local airport in New Albany.
40:37And there's recently reporting that >> Well that's [ __ ] obvious. Yeah.
40:41>> Like they're trying to cover it up more and they move it to his airport.
40:44>> I mean no one knew Wexner's name then right? It was just like no we're just using these planes that you know to transport the limited apparel. That's what they [laughter] said and then they did even after that they there was a report they did find cocaine on those planes.
40:57But yeah I'm I'm not a mobster. I don't know a lot about the mob but I'm thinking if you so it's no argument the CIA has been in the drug trade.
41:07Yeah. Big time. Remember the headline?
41:10The CIA investigated itself with regard to the drug trade and found no wrong doing.
41:15>> Perfect. Good job guys.
41:16>> [laughter] >> So but do you know how unusual it is to like A be in the drug trade at a high level which is basically just an infinite supply of money right? And then just quietly get out of it?
41:29Yeah.
41:29>> That doesn't make nobody does that.
41:31>> [laughter] >> With a basically 0% chance of getting caught cuz they are the CIA.
41:36>> Yeah.
41:37Anyway this is like a dumb thing for me to talk about. No it's not cuz it unfortunately it underscores the overall point here.
41:44These different agencies around the world including our own here right at home are willing to get involved with the dirtiest businesses not willing they voluntarily and excitedly get involved with the dirtiest businesses to mankind if they view it as you know something that can help their needs. I mentioned it earlier but just for context for you one of the guys I had sitting in your seat is a former NOC from CIA who the only reason he's not still operating is because a foreign intelligence service got a leak in CIA and then leaked five names on the dark web.
42:20>> That's not nice.
42:21>> was what Yeah, so he had to be pulled from the field and everything, but he he eventually ended up in the cartels as one of their chief money launderers around the world. That was his cover.
42:32And part of what he did, he told the story sitting in that chair, was he worked a guy who was a top 10 guy at a top 10 bank at a bar, developed a relationship with him and eventually got him to launder money for the cartels.
42:44And the idea is you use a dark criminal underworld organization like that, which has inevitable connections, Mhm. to slide in as a spy, not to stop them, but to work with them so that you get access to their connections and get intelligence from that that you deem as a better trade-off for the bad things that they do. And for me, I'm like, okay, so poisoning our streets and killing people every day with fentanyl, being complete savages, and killing people cuz you disagree in a [ __ ] card game or whatever it might be, chopping heads off.
43:18The other stuff is worth it for that. It just doesn't from as a normal human being, it doesn't clock for me.
43:25And you know, like I cocaine used to be imported into the US by like a kilo at a time on flights, Mhm. right? And then >> Yeah. And then over the '80s, the CIA got involved and it became like, boatloads, planeloads, you know? And not just a guy with a carry-on suitcase, right?
43:46>> Right. And um family court, like um like the it's number of instances like families getting blown apart and going to court to like like went up sixfold, I think I might be saying, over the '80s, while the total value of all of the money in Wall Street doubled.
44:02So like, to me, like our financial services industry is like Now, I'm not saying that doubling was all cocaine money. Right.
44:10>> saying. It's a lot. Yeah, it's a lot.
44:12>> Right? And so it's to me like if you know, I I I had [snorts] lunch with a friend who's a great guy who knows a lot about investing or whatever. And I was like, "What's the bank that is good at like not taking drug money?"
44:24And he couldn't even like I couldn't even like process the question well. He's like, "Well, you know, you can get in a lot of trouble if like you know, like know your customer rules." I'm like, "No, but like assuming they're reasonably good at like moving it one or two steps before it would come to you." And now it's it's just an investment from like a family trust >> Right. I got it in South Dakota, whatever. Like and And he's like, "Oh, that's totally allowed." I'm like, "Work with me on this, you know? Like like is there a bank that's like savvy?" And he was basically like, "Look, the only filter
44:53is like what will actually what will you the lawyers actually get you in trouble for."
44:57>> Yep. Right? And like that's not a filter at all. Spot on. It's exactly what it's like.
45:03It's exactly That's why it's so hard. I mean, I [ __ ] hated working in a bank cuz there were rules dumb rules on everything, not good rules like that.
45:12But like that's all it was. It was never you can't do this because it's wrong.
45:18Yeah.
45:18>> It was, "You can't do this cuz our legal team says you can't." Right.
45:22>> you could find a way to circumvent that that the legal team was like, "Well, that checks out for me." They wouldn't care what it was.
45:28>> forest trees problem there.
45:29>> Exactly.
45:30>> Yeah. And so John Kiriakou's been to Afghanistan and seen Yep. large-scale drug trade that's 93% you said?
45:36So okay, so that's what we could do the math on the profits of that. Like where's that money?
45:41So people at the CIA who >> Who know where? who don't um >> [snorts] >> you know, who John John Kiriakou was like they hid it from him, right? So there's like a a small cabal within the CIA >> Yeah. And they're they have all this money. They got to put it somewhere.
45:56They got to put it somewhere they trust it. Right? Like is that what we're looking at with this Epstein scandal?
46:02Right? Like is that the money?
46:04Like is is is is is this CIA drug money that we're talking about? I don't know, but I'm just like >> it some of it has to be. It's got to be somewhere. Some of it has to be. I feel like he's almost above that though.
46:15I feel like like that's like ah let let [ __ ] you know, Apollo take care of that. Or something because he was a fixer who served a lot of places and it's very clear he served when when you look at the evidence he served Mossad dominantly. That was that was the place he was most loyal to and obviously crazy relationship with the who Barack and many other people.
46:36But he worked with CIA. And and there's the evidence shows it goes back to like Iran-Contra and I feel like >> [sighs] >> I feel like where you're on to something is that he would be a guy who would know where all that money was going. Well, they're they're going to want to keep it in the contra network. Yeah. Right? Like you can't There's somebody whose money it really is and that person's name won't be on an account. Right.
47:02>> So the person whose name is on the account has to be on video. Yep. If my theory is correct here, right? So to me that's where Epstein's super useful, right? So I don't know. Like we see him emailing a million bankers. Yeah. Right?
47:13Like he can direct money around all kinds of places, right? Um I have a feeling that well, it would be very weird for the CIA not to use him for that. You know what [laughter] I mean? If they know this guy and he he's good at that. Deal with the devil. Yeah. Yeah, I was talk I was asking Andy Bustamante who is definitely still in CIA, but your resident kind of on camera CIA guy about this. Very handy friend to have. Yeah, [laughter] and he was like what how he put it in a really good way.
47:45He's like the two most the >> [sighs] >> How did he say it?
47:54He said the first most shocking day at CIA is the day you figure out who really runs the world when they tell you that.
48:02That'd be handy to know. And the second most shocking day is is learning how you operate within that system cuz you ain't going to change it. Yeah. He says it better than that, but it's a cynical way of putting it, but I don't suppose he told you who runs the world.
48:18Well, I'll give him this cuz it's kind of strange to see him change in a little bit with this story coming out now. I I was like I was like, >> [laughter] >> But he's always been the guy who and this is, you know, he's got people online that really enjoy him and then people [ __ ] hate him. And the people who hate him it's because well, number one, they think he still works for CIA and I would agree with them. But number two, he's never seen a conspiracy that he couldn't poopoo and like Occam's razor it away. And it's like, all right, Andy, come on. Like, who you doing PR for [laughter] here?
48:53But he when I talk with I was talking with him about that a couple weekends ago and the context of the conversation was like the Rockefellers. Yeah. And I was like, interesting. He would have never ever like kind of commented on that kind of thing a year ago. Yeah. But he is now.
49:13So maybe it's like, well, they know.
49:15We're giving up the game. I don't know.
49:17I don't know, but I found that very fascinating for sure. I It makes it takes out on a lot of levels. Yeah. Now you your investigation, this is what really got me like when I was first going through it is how far back you ended up jumping cuz again, you're looking at this at the time like 2019, 2020 NBA. And then you're writing chapters on like, So the Treaty of Versailles, like how did Was that just strictly going down the Dulles rabbit hole?
49:46I'm trying to remember how that happened. I >> [laughter] >> I I think so. There was a Sears Roebuck founders like the Rosen like anyway, there's a Yeah, I was trying to look at the earliest days of the CIA and like the OSS is kind of unavoidable in the story cuz you know, Donald Barr hired Jeffrey Epstein he was in the OSS and like what were they doing and then it turns out like the OSS is crazy.
50:11>> Yeah. Um What what makes it so crazy to you?
50:15Well, I think the first leader of it was this guy like I think his name was Wild Bill >> Wild Bill Donovan.
50:20>> Donovan, right? And he spent the war in London having like orgies and stuff.
50:26I'm like [laughter] I mean, look it up. I don't take my word for it, but uh and then you know, then the the Bank of International Settlement, right? This is some crazy stuff. So basically the Dulles brothers are the Sullivan and Cromwell attorneys who work for the richest Americans of all time including I might think I might say the Rockefellers, but check me on that. Um So what are they really doing? You know, they I don't know, but they get themselves into the negotiations for the Treaty of Versailles. So we're like figuring out how much Germany has to pay France basically for doing a bad job in World War I.
51:02Right? And then I don't you know, and then these Germany's like Hitler's top banker has all these meetings with American executives about like the importance of having multinational corporations. I don't even really understand this.
51:18>> is the early late '20s or what?
51:20>> Yeah, this is all Actually, that starts in like like 1905 and stuff. They're like And so and you know, that time Germany has the world's leading dye companies like like to dye clothes and somehow in cahoots with their American meetings, they convince them to become basically pharma companies and they're multinational pharma companies and they're the pharma companies we have today. Like these are those same companies, but then they make the gas that kills the Jews in the camps. Like, yeah. Um, but they're multinational, which means that that the whole time Hitler's doing this, like, they can just shuffle money around and it's not
51:58Nazi money anymore, right? They can have like like uh you know, this is where Swiss banking was invented, right?
52:05>> Really? All right, can you explain this a little more? Yeah, so uh Swiss banking wasn't really a thing.
52:12Uh but it just um IG Farben is the big company that made Zyklon B and the you know, it's one of the biggest drug companies at the time.
52:23And I think that we I I've published on this. We should go and look at the original story, but like um I think I'm right in saying that uh this guy Schacht was like um Hitler's lead banker and you can see him meeting with all these American banking executives. Basically, they figured out a way to make IG Farben have headquarters in multiple countries. So that when they make a lot of money from German taxpayers purchasing Zyklon B, they can then report it as income in Switzerland and put it in a bank.
52:51And and these banks have special rules where no one can tell whose money that is, right? And then at the same time uh the US becomes like a key force managing the Bank of International Settlement Settlement headquartered in um in the Switzerland overseen by a Dulles brother.
53:09And like and basically they're Hitler's bank. They'll literally like we'll take your like you have crates and crates of gold teeth pried from the mouths of people in concentration camps, like you know, deposit it here.
53:22>> Also, where was Allen Dulles during the whole war?
53:25Bern, Switzerland. Yeah, so that's what he was doing there. So he was there like he was America's liaison to the Bank of International Settlement. There's a great book about that. I think it's called Devil's Chessboard.
53:35Uh is that the one you're thinking of?
53:37No. Cuz there's a lot of this stuff that >> is like almost When I first read it, I was like, this is almost too much. Yeah.
53:43But um I'm going to look it up really fast. Um The first chapters 13 and 14 of of Henry's fourth Yeah, there it is.
53:50>> There you go.
53:51>> Hitler's American business friends.
53:53Yeah, there you go. Is that 13, Dief? Um Let's see. And so they were offering American corporations um monopolies.
54:04Right? So they're like they're like Hitler's going to conquer all of Europe and then Texaco can be the unique supplier of of petroleum to all of Europe. And they're talking with the people who essentially would become the founders of the OSS in doing this.
54:20>> Yeah, and so the founders of the OSS are like, you know, well, it's going to be on the wrong side of this, you [laughter] know.
54:28Um yeah, so that's how I got Treaty of Versailles.
54:31Um The Treaty of Versailles, too, is is one of the most ignored parts of history to me because they they they rigged the game to create a vacuum in Germany. It's like it's a it's on It's not like they knew at the time who Adolf Hitler was in 1919 cuz he hadn't made a name yet, but they created an opening throughout the '20s in Germany by [ __ ] Germany into the [ __ ] 5th century that there was going to be the opportunity for some sort of extreme voice to rise Right.
55:06>> and create some sort of revolutionary power. Yeah. And the Sullivan Cromwell guys are the are the dudes who basically told Woodson or Woodrow Wilson what to do. Yeah.
55:17>> That's nuts. It's pretty sadistic. It's very sadistic. Yeah. They're And but that's the thing, like you're talking about who they were who their clients were and who they were allied with.
55:25We're talking about the masters of the universe, the Rockefellers and stuff like that. So it makes you think, you know, are the Dulles brothers that same class, that fixer class Yeah. As like Epstein.
55:38Yeah.
55:40So in the Devil's Chessboard like they hear, you know, basically like JFK's like, "I'm kicking you guys out." And then he just got shot.
55:47>> Yeah, no the [ __ ] you're not.
55:48>> Yeah.
55:50Imagine like getting kicked out by the president and then you still run the world's most powerful intelligence agency from your Georgetown apartment cuz you can. Yeah.
55:59And LBJ's like, "All right, I'll keep you."
56:01>> [laughter] >> You can come back now. In fact, you can sit on that commission. Totally. What do you guys need exactly? Yeah, you can investigate yourself and find nothing.
56:10So you end up at that and then you were also the one who wrote about how I cite this a bunch on the podcast about how when things started turning and America was becoming enemies with Hitler like the government these guys were like, "Ah, come on, really?" And then eventually Pearl Harbor happened, Germany declares war and they're like, "All right, we'll go we'll go to war with the Nazis."
56:33>> is inconvenient. Ah, say call him up like, "Sorry Adolf, listen it's nothing personal." But like they didn't even want they were like not even for stopping him. They're just like this would've been good for us. Oh, we were on I feel like, you know, in like the the financial class in New York was like on rails. They're just like, "Yeah, we're doing a Hitler deal, right? Like like we're in on this. Like this is a win." They've been investing for years, you know? Um Texaco was shipping like the the gas in Hitler's tanks was Texaco gas. And they evaded blockades from the British government to like deliver it.
57:07Cuz they wanted the monopoly in Europe and so they would come in they had meetings like at the Plaza Hotel. I forget the name of the guy who was like Hitler's representative in New York. But they just like were had meetings with these business leaders. They're like, "Here's what we're going to do for you.
57:18Here's what we're going to do for you."
57:19Can we find that from chapter 13, Dief?
57:23Cuz it's called Nazis. That that was the best chapter title, Nazis at the Waldorf Astoria.
57:28>> Or or Waldorf Astoria.
57:30What was the name of the guy? Uh yeah, if you keep going down. it the Plaza, you think? Yeah, let's try that. Plaza.
57:38Hotel.
57:40The Waldorf Astoria Hotel. Yeah, keep going down.
57:44>> That's where Leon Hold on. Leon Black's dad, Eli, convinced shareholders to approve the takeover of one of the most intelligence connected firms of all time, United Fruit.
57:54You know what you didn't mention here?
57:55It's also where Lucky Luciano had a residence. I didn't know that. Yeah.
57:59Yeah. Mhm. It's where Ghislaine Maxwell has been photographed grinning in formal wear.
58:04And it's where David Stern hosted the first NBA draft lottery ever. David Stern made an appearance in the files.
58:10>> No, it's not him. It's not him? Yeah, it's a different guy with the same name.
58:14I know I sound like I'm like I can do this all day here. But like But yeah, it's literally There's a guy who's like an assistant to some of the royal He's an American banker, I think, who like worked for Sarah Ferguson. Oh, that's what I'm saying.
58:26>> I'm so Yeah, I'm sorry for what you did.
58:29>> Rest in peace to the commissioner. He caught a drive-by for a while there.
58:32>> Yeah. All right. And then after celebrating Hitler do do do do do Is it Westrick? Yeah, I think that's right. But after the war, Westrick himself told the story of visiting the US at the behest of Hitler's foreign minister and meeting industrialists like Henry Ford. Yeah. Wow. That's crazy. And I think there's a picture there of um Let's see. 1929 JP Morgan executives traveled to Paris to meet with the president of the German Reichsbank.
59:05I don't know how to say his name.
59:05Hjalmar Schacht to negotiate an economic plan to stabilize Germany's economy after World War I. So that guy, Schacht, then became Hitler's like chief banker.
59:14>> [snorts] >> That's who he's like meeting in a photo here with JP Morgan.
59:19With JP Morgan. Yeah.
59:21These are like the bigwigs of JP Morgan meeting with Hjalmar >> Oh, with the company. I thought you were saying the actual guy.
59:28Still though. Yeah. In 1929, that's a bad omen. Yeah.
59:32Yeah. Yeah, let's crash the stock market and put Hitler in power.
59:36It says the other thing, we almost avoided him.
59:39We almost if the stock market didn't crash, he wouldn't have gotten in. Why is that? Because Germany, as bad as it was in the early 20s, then he went away to prison and they weren't balling or anything, but like the economy recovered just enough that people were like, all right, you know, we can live. And then the stock market crash affected the whole globe, crashed everything again. He had come out of prison and then Wow.
60:02>> vacuum. I didn't know that.
60:04>> I wonder if they were cooking it up right there. Yeah, maybe.
60:06>> All right, so we're going to get this guy Joe Kennedy. He's going to buy and speculate on all these stocks.
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