0:01So, you're an Australian America first.
0:03You're going to have to explain that one.
0:05>> It's a little controversial, apparently.
0:07Yeah. Yeah.
0:08>> How does that happen?
0:10>> Uh, I think you move to America.
0:13>> You love America.
0:14>> You recognize the difference between the American political system and the Australian one. You realize that America should be the system that everyone has around the world. And Americans really don't know how good they have it. But unfortunately, they're trying to impede on the freedoms that we have here, which makes me particularly passionate about being America first because I know how bad it can get in Australia.
0:37>> Right now, how long ago, before I dig into that, how long ago did you come over from Australia?
0:42>> 10 years ago.
0:43>> And what made you come here?
0:45>> Um, just through a like a relationship that I had at the time, ex-boyfriend.
0:49>> That's how it happens. That's how it happens.
0:51>> And then you come, you love it, you stay.
0:53>> Exactly. Yeah. It was Maui, Hawaii, too.
0:54I lived in Maui for 4 years.
0:57>> So it wasn't >> that's not even America. That's like Vietnam.
0:59>> But so what happened is I lived in Maui from 2017 until 2020 when CO took place.
1:08>> And Hawaii was pretty bad when it came to CO the lockdowns and such.
1:12>> Really >> not comparatively to Australia. Like even when I was living in Maui, my mom would call me and say like, "I'm so glad that you're living in America compared to being back here."
1:22>> Well, they were living in the [ __ ] purge over there.
1:24It was one of the worst countries for sure. But uh that's why I moved to Florida. Obviously being a red state, there was a lot more freedoms. I think Florida shut down maybe for like a week.
1:34>> Uh but by the time I got there, it was free reign basically.
1:38>> But that's what made me very passionate about politics. I was actually very apolitical before co but uh observing the difference between the political systems in Australia versus America made me curious like okay why do we have so much freedom over here versus Australia where it was so tyrannical and everything was shut down there were co camps I mean I'm sure we're going to get into all of it.
2:03>> Yeah. What were so what was the full lore there? Cuz people talked about that and like we saw videos of >> basically like cops visiting people's houses for social media posts about like hey I don't like being inside helicopters above houses and stuff.
2:16People going to protest and they're being shot with rubber bullets. Probably other stuff. I don't know. But like these supposed camps that that the government was setting up were these like if people were rebelling in any way online they could get sent there? Like what was the bar? Uh a lot of kids actually this is where a lot of the controversy came. Uh if kids in school exhibited any symptoms of having CO they would be taken to these camps sometimes without their parents even knowing what was happening. Uh and basically just administering testing isolation uh you know making sure that they could uh you
2:52know curb the spread before before returning back to to civilization. But yeah it was really bad. uh you you couldn't leave your house. There were curfews everywhere. It was basically like the worst liberal cities in America times 50.
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3:30Now you said you were apolitical really before co which includes time being here but before you left Australia even if you were an apolitical person were there parts of what you saw there that you're like even back then in 2015 2016 whatever where you're like I don't like this I don't like where this is going you didn't think >> I had I had no idea in fact I actually >> Okay so in Australia it's a mixed economy it's there's elements elements of socialism mixed in. Socialized healthc care for example like in Australia there were a couple of times I got sick. Uh I got free ambulance rides.
4:08Um doctor's appointments were free. A lot of things are subsidized by the government. And at that point the illegal immigration problem wasn't too bad. Uh it was always a multicultural society but never overrun with illegal immigration. Right? So, I never really recognized how bad it was. But being in America and getting sick a few times, having to pay, you know, $300, $400 for doctor's appointments, I was like, "Wow, Australians really have it good." Until co struck. And then you realize when you are subservient to your government, when they give you so much, you're kind of indebted [clears throat] to them in the
4:49sense that when they then turn around and say you need to do this or they say, you know, jump you you need to say how high.
4:57>> Basically, you're subservient to them.
4:59And [clears throat] it's much more easier in that system for a government to be tyrannical versus a country like America where on the surface maybe you don't have all these uh you know free benefits that are handed out to you but you have your freedom >> which is more important. Your freedom that is enshrined in the American Constitution. Australia doesn't have a constitution.
5:23>> There's no constitution whatsoever.
5:24>> No.
5:25>> What's their like main highest level codes? Well, I mean, for example, Australia was disarmed in the '9s after a shooting that occurred there, and they didn't have to go through any mass like legal overhaul in order to enact that.
5:40They can just come out and say, "This is how it's going to be now, guys." Whereas in America, we have our right to free speech. We have the right to bear arms, all of the other amendments. And it takes a lot to try to overturn any of those. Uh it's really impossible. That doesn't stop people from trying, which we've seen recently. And it's kind of scary actually when you consider everything that's happening in the US right now with them trying to attack free speech. 38 states now trying to implement hate speech laws to uh prevent genuine political discourse. But to a very large degree, America has their
6:17freedoms enshrined and protected >> and uh and and I'm grateful for that.
6:23That's what ultimately made me an America first Australian.
6:26>> So this this is what I'm hearing though and I I agree with you. It's like you see all of the good that America is based on and how much upside the system has especially in relation to the rest of the world. But because there are some trends where you see like that could potentially go the wrong way if people don't speak the [ __ ] up. You're like okay that's where I come in.
6:48>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, uh, it's where I can try to at least provide some some, uh, some backup support or some context.
6:57Like, I I don't want to be the leader of any movement by any means. I want to support the people who are running on an America first platform, for example, the people who are opposing foreign interests coming into the government, people who are uh, you know, against unnecessary wars in this country. And I more want to provide a voice to them rather than be um any figurehead or leader of a movement myself. You know, [clears throat] I I I want to support those who are actually doing something and in a position to actually do something.
7:31>> Yeah. Now you mentioned as well like you mentioned with respect to Australia but it's something a lot of the world is dealing with how to figure out where it's like immigration versus illegal immigration which we've had obviously major issues on our border here >> and everything that's going into that but like you as someone who's immigrating to this country working on becoming a full citizen right now. How would you describe >> I don't know the usefulness of the system and you trying to do it like the legal way all these years? Um, well, I mean, I think if you're willing to invest your time, your money, because
8:07it's not cheap.
8:08>> It's expensive.
8:09>> Yeah, it's very expensive, actually. Um, and you're willing to assimilate.
8:14Obviously, it's not that diff difficult to assimilate if you're from a country like Australia or the UK or Western countries where there's similar cultural makeup, but I'd say that's very different than people who are just coming over here because they want a free ride. the incentives are all wrong, right? We saw that especially during the Biden administration. You go to New York, you get a what was it like a $10,000 like like card to be able to spend on accommodation. Meanwhile, there's homeless veterans in the street.
8:44>> So, there is a very big difference. That being said, there's forms of legal immigration that are wrong or exploitive as well, such as the H-1B visa programs.
8:54that is a legal system that still imports portions of the third world that are largely incompatible with American society where you can actually exploit these workers and undercut the American workers and provide them less opportunities uh raise the the base pay for everybody within those areas where H-1Bs are prevalent uh because these workers are willing to accept you know less money poor working conditions and basically be exploited just because they want to be here. So, I think there's a fine line. I mean, I I totally understand the sentiment of people saying they don't want legal immigration
9:32as well because that is largely from H-1B visas and other programs like this.
9:38>> Yeah. When I had Tyler Oliver in here in episode 363, he really laid out a lot of the H-1B problems and also like some of the issues where people maybe will draw from their own countries of origin as well to bring in those people as well.
9:53And then you're not hiring any Americans just like you said. And I didn't know >> as much about that system, but once you look at it and then look at like the industries most affected like tech, like some of the highest level [ __ ] you're like, >> "All right, it's just kind of another way we're leaving people behind here."
10:09>> 100%. I mean, a great example of that was the race that just took place in Ohio. Bev Ramaswami you know he says he wants the uh the population of Ohio to like I don't I'm not sure if it was double but grow astronomically >> and he's not talking about supporting heritage Ohioan families and encouraging them to have babies and have a prosperous life and live in the American golden age. He wants to import a bunch of H-1B uh visa workers and those are largely Indians as well and that's not like racist to say that like that's just it's numbers it's statistics it's like 70% of H-1B visa workers actually come
10:50from India >> uh which is his heritage right >> so exactly to your point it's wanting to bring in like I guess more of their own to exploit these people and basically to just profit the American system and that's why there's a very big distinction I between like America first and Americans first, right? You can have America as like the organization as like a global superpower where as Pam Bondi said, the Dow's at 50,000. That's all we should be talking about, right? But that's benefiting the the America system, not the Americans who need to like live within it, right?
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13:30and not create like the melting pot we've been able to create here, you're actually doing them a disservice almost as much as you're doing a disservice to people here who are being left behind over and over again. So, if we could, for example, have a system, maybe it's not called H-1B visas or something, but whatever the [ __ ] it would be called to where it would be required that they are paid at the same level that you would pay American talent or higher even to incentivize having American talent and also you would be required to have systems to create possible better education or training programs for
14:01Americans here first and then other people could come in after those resources are fulfilled. I'd be cool with that. Which, by the way, Donald Trump like pitched that was a part of his campaign promise. He was originally going to charge anyone who wanted to bring in H1B visa workers, I think it was a h 100,000 per year.
14:18>> And then he switched that up to just a h 100,000 one time after he got into office. And I don't even know if that is a viable policy or a policy that's actually been enforced whatsoever, but he when he was campaigning, he wanted to make it almost like he wanted to deincentivize people bringing in uh workers from other countries to put Americans in the best possible position.
14:42And he pitched that and then there was a lot of controversy when he backwalked it. I think it was Dana Bash who we had the interview with. Remember where she was pressing him on the H-1Bs and uh he was saying, "Well, we just we don't have talent here. We don't have talent in America. We need it." And she was she was shocked. She's like, "You're say we we have plenty of talent here in America." And he straight up said, "No, we do not have talent here in America."
15:07>> So he >> he said that.
15:09>> Yeah. Trump said, "We don't wait. You haven't you haven't heard that of Trump saying that that they don't have talent here in the USA? Yes, he said that verbatim. That is that's actually a verbatim quote.
15:22>> Did they hit him with like an opposite day pill or something?
15:26>> I mean they have with everything every single thing that he campaigned on honestly. But um going back to the immigr going back to the immigration thing and like the melting pot thing, I do want to make a point when it comes to illegal immigration because I talked about the perceived benefits that I had as an Australian citizen. Free ambulance rides, free doctor's appointments largely subsidized everything.
15:51>> But then after I moved to the United States, I'm not sure if it was during CO or sometime after, uh that's when the illegal immigration problem became rampant. And these people who came into Australia, they got the same rights as the Australian citizens so far as the healthcare and everything else. And then suddenly because we're a a mixed economy, socialized economy, our resources were overwhelmed. There wasn't enough for the Australian citizens where all of a sudden, especially if you were in rural areas, you'd call an ambulance and it's like 3 hours for it to show up.
16:26If it shows up, there were people who died waiting for ambulance rides. There were entireos hospitals that completely stopped elective surgeries because they were so overrun with people needing needing care and coming in and and majority of them not actually Australian. And so like people want to talk about socialism and having a social safety net and the bene benefits of that. We can talk about it. Maybe I see some merit in it, but not as the system currently exists where you also import people who aren't native to your country. And you bring them in in large overwhelming amounts and give them the
17:05exact same rights as the people who have been living here for generations or even if they're just like a legal Australian versus someone who comes in illegally.
17:15If we provide that for absolutely everyone, there's not going to be enough to go around. Like it's simple math.
17:20Yeah.
17:20>> So, you can't have both at the same time.
17:23>> You also run into, and this is something that's been covered by a lot of different people I've had on my podcast over the past couple years, >> but you run into huge human health and safety issues for the people that you're allegedly open arms telling to come in.
17:39>> Yeah.
17:40>> You know, we have in America, for example, a [ __ ] enormous human trafficking problem. And I'm not even talking about just the Epstein stuff.
17:47Like, that's that's one piece up there.
17:49the main piece we look at, but I'm saying at the lower levels like what's happening on the border when the coyotes bring people in and we never see them again, children, >> you know, but that's where like the whole, oh, we just got to love everyone and let them in. It stops there. It's like, what about like the dead baby sitting in a freezer in a [ __ ] truck somewhere?
18:06>> Toxic. Exactly. Don't worry about that.
18:09It's like, what do you mean don't worry about that? I am worried about that.
18:11>> Yeah. No, I I completely agree. It's it's backwards. And obviously, these are largely democratic uh policies that they try to enforce. And there's that saying like if you're young and you're not a Democrat, you don't have a heart. But then as you get older, when you're if you're not a a Republican, you don't have a brain because you start to realize like we we can't do all of these things at once. It's an impossible pursuit. Like it's a noble pursuit for sure to help everybody. But are we also going to speak about the fact that a lot of the the the uh immigrants that want to come into this country who are then
18:46not are compatible with the social makeup or cause a lot of these problems, we have completely destabilized their countries through our actions here in the USA.
18:56>> Yes, >> that's that's a piece that people largely leave out. So it's it's not an issue that's super simple to solve because there's so many different layers to it, you know, >> 100%. And we're seeing that on a mass scale right now because you know this war in Iran, that's something a a lot of people on the left or right agree on is [ __ ] >> This started 47 years ago when a regime took over. And yes, that was very bad.
19:22But what was put in charge before that?
19:25>> Some [ __ ] CIA run, you know, totalitarian to an extent regime that yes, it's not as bad as this one, but like it wasn't good. And then we're like, "Oh [ __ ] not like that." What the [ __ ] Exactly. Yeah. Cause and effect.
19:40We did that. And you're right, there is a lot of agreement on the left and right about that issue. And that's something that I found um particularly fascinating as a I don't like to call myself a political commentator. I'd say I'm largely more a cultural commentator, but um you know, politics is downstream of culture, so that plays into it. um fascinating as somebody who observes politics because right now I think there's more agreement between the right and left than we've ever really seen before. Uh >> in the last couple decades.
20:11>> Yeah. Specifically, I mean even really the last six 6 months since this war started because it's really highlighted the fact that like you know Epstein files for example, there's people across the political aisle that don't agree with that. the Iran war and uh an Apac funding our politicians. And what is underpinning all of that is a foreign interest, >> a foreign lobby, a foreign government that has more control over American policy than what our own lawmakers do, which is disgusting. It's because they're funded to the tunes of hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars by this nation. And so they don't serve
20:50their constituents. They serve the people who pay them. And it it's so sick and so sad that like politics is a pay-to-play game nowadays. I don't think that this is how our founding fathers envisioned the system would be set up.
21:07Beware of foreign influence, right? It used to be considered treason and now it's common place.
21:14>> Yeah. I think a lot of, you know, citizens out there though, like you, like me, like many of the people listening now with some of the tools we have to be able to see these things, be it, you know, go to [ __ ] Google and type it in and look at the open secrets, you know, opensecs.com and see who's fun and what, >> I think a lot of people are waking up to it and they've had some red lines cross.
21:35Like what there were some serious red lines crossed with respect to Israel and what's going on a mess and he's definitely connected with MSAD and definitely connected my own government too with CIA so that's a whole thing on its own but like we have it as literal White House policy that Operation Epic Fury was at the behest of the Israeli government. They wrote it out themselves. They said it three different [ __ ] ways themselves publicly. And we also have it that we can see all these different groups that are clearly aligned with Israel are paying politicians just like we complain the big pharma does, just like we
22:11complain the plastic's doing [ __ ] So you should complain about this as well.
22:14>> Yeah.
22:15>> You know, and I feel like >> it's something to where it's also created this enormous distraction where we have to worry about something at home that's now affecting us abroad and we can't even focus on all the places that actually like are a major threat. You don't hear anyone talking about China right now. Last I checked, China's not [ __ ] stopping all the [ __ ] they're doing. But we're so busy with, you know, one country that needs us to do all their [ __ ] bidding. And I'm sick of it.
22:41>> Yeah. Yeah. And that's why they say it's like two ends of the same two wings of the same bird, two two sides of the same coin. Uh obviously the left and right, there's very important distinctions when it comes to like social issues, economic issues, and these things certainly matter. They matter a lot, but they can never be as important as our own sovereignty. And Israel is funding both sides. You're hardressed to find any politician who isn't funded by Apac um and the other funding channels, by the way. There's a lot more than Apac now, >> but Republican Jewish Coalition, >> but it's it's not just that. So, one
23:21thing that uh we have been working on recently, uh I say we, it's actually um our CTO, and he I don't know if he wants me to name him or not, but shout out to you. I'm sorry if you want me to say your name. I It's uh it's it's a sketchy thing. I'll explain in a second. He created a tool that doesn't just track Apac and J Street, but 39 other Israeli funding channels that are funding our politicians. Because here's the thing, they kind of caught on to the fact that if you take money from Apac, you'll be not seen as very positive in in the court of public opinion. So, they're doing it in all of these sneaky covert
24:01ways, including something called donor bundling where they'll get like anonymous or individual donors to give to these campaigns. But when you track and kind of create a spiderweb of where these people funnel their money to, it's all Israeli funding channels, these private donors.
24:17>> How do we track that?
24:18>> Through advanced AI. Advance I mean it's very difficult to do um manually.
24:24>> Advanced AI is tracking.
24:25>> Yes. So our our CTO, he literally spent like uh $100,000 within a week actually.
24:32That's that's what it cost to be able to do this. and he was able to find links to, for example, Amy Actton's campaign out in Ohio.
24:40>> She's uh the Democrat running for governor. So, she just won her primary.
24:44She was uncontested against VC. Uh so, on the Republican side, it was Casey Porch versus VC Ramaswami. On the Democratic side, it was Amy Actton uncontested. And on the surface, it looks like she hasn't taken any Israeli money, but when you look at the donor bundling, she's actually taken like I need to look at my phone. Uh I don't remember off the top of my head, but it's I believe hundreds of thousands of dollars actually from Israeli funding channels.
25:07>> I'm totally unfamiliar with this and like how you track that stuff. I know the base level things like when I go on to opensecs.com and can track literally where things are coming from. But when you say like your CTO built an AI >> to track how this is done, what does that look like? So he looks at for example the publicly available individual donors who the majority of these individual donors contributions are to Israeli funding channels. So for example somebody who invested maybe $10,000 in Amy Actton's campaign has put in $300,000 into Apac.
25:40>> Oh okay.
25:41>> So they do it through these sneaky kind of like covert ways because they don't want the branding of Israel within their funding campaign. They want to be able to Israelibbacked funding channels. And so, so we set this up, right? Um, we were able to locate $300,000 more in campaigns such as Randy Fines in Florida, for example, than what track AP pack was able to locate. same as Laura Freriedman uh who's uh running in Cal California's 30th district. Um we found a lot in Amy's and VC's campaign. But uh it it's crazy since we actually launched this AI we've been hit with constant DOS attacks trying to shut us down. And in
26:35fact Oh. Oh.
26:37>> Yes. And Randy finds data was actually entirely erased from our website.
26:42[laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. after we released the the campaign exposing that we found $300,000 more. They completely erased everything.
26:50Of course, we had backups and then our CTO resecured the website. Uh but it's just wild the length that they go to conceal this stuff and it just shows that we're over the target at the end of the day. Uh same thing actually with our um our event website. So we just put on an event where we brought together America first candidates across Yeah. I mean it we can get into that a little bit later. It was uh it didn't quite it wasn't quite the unifying event that I had uh intended. Uh but the event website from when we launched, we had a question box there and uh just as soon as we started gaining traction and
27:28posting using the AI exposing these candidates, the question box was every single day spammed with uh illicit material pertaining to children.
27:39>> Oh, Jesus God. They're trying to shut the website down, >> which again, it just it just shows that we're over the target. But this is truly like a a genocidal apartheid state that will do absolutely anything to retain the power that it has within the American government. And this is what is unifying people is opening their eyes to that fact. Even if we disagree on a million other things, I think we can all agree that our sovereignty is the most important and like being a free country.
28:07Again, >> I really wonder sometimes if this is the point, [clears throat] them doing this all all these things that you see as the point because every single thing you just highlighted is a prototypical or you know, >> what's the word I'm looking for?
28:25>> Prime example >> of a strian effect.
28:29>> All these things bounce back and boomerang at 10 times the size on the opposite effect of what they want. And this is why I think about this. You look at people who, you know, objectively do things that I don't like. Think of Benjamin Netanyahu. Think of Jonathan Jonathan Greenblat from the head of the ADL and stuff like that. You know, I may think that a guy like Netanyahu is evil for what he's done with, you know, genocide in Gaza, ethnic cleansing Lebanon. List could go on with his whole career. I may think a guy like Jonathan Greenblat's a [ __ ] [ __ ] for all the things he's done with the ADL. List
29:02could go on with that. But what I won't do [snorts] is let my dislike for those people cloud my judgment of what their capabilities are. And what I mean is these are not stupid people. All right?
29:13>> These are very very smart people.
29:16>> And so I asked myself a guy like Benjamin Netanyahu who pri who whose whole life I have studied inside and out who prior to October 7th 2023 as best as I can tell was a William Jefferson Clinton level politician. I mean, this guy could lie to your face and you'd almost [ __ ] believe him.
29:37>> Did he just suddenly become a complete and utter re PR-wise after October 7th?
29:44Did Jonathan Greenblat suddenly decide that every single thing that comes out of my mouth is going to be something that is going to have the opposite effect of what I want to happen? And the list could go on with people who are strongly like supporting the current government in Israel and all that, >> right?
29:59>> I think the answer is no. I >> I think it's a part of some sort of [ __ ] campaign to ferment fear >> a plan. Yeah, >> sure. And so you look at this and you realize like think of every tweet you see, whether it be a tweet from the [ __ ] Israeli government or a tweet from this person doing that. Think of every time you see someone go on Piers Morgan. Think of every time anything public happens that's lips are moving or fingers are [ __ ] typing. If choice A is like, okay, I could say this or type this and it won't make things worse.
30:30It's not even like a good choice. It's just this won't make things worse. And choice B is this will make things much worse for me. Why do these people pick choice B every time?
30:40>> It's either out of um desperation because they're running out of time to fulfill something and sometimes when you're desperate that clouds your judgment. That's one option that I've looked at. And the other one is exactly what you're saying. it is a part of some type of long game that maybe we don't fully understand. And that's the scary part. I've actually considered this actually when it comes to the Democratic party during the Biden regime, right?
31:03Where everything got so crazy when it came to the gender stuff and kids getting transgender surgeries, men and women's sport. All of this was actually insane to the average Democrat, just like a traditional Democrat. But it was a thing that was put on loudspeaker that everybody heard about. And I almost feel like those specific uh initiatives, policies were largely funded by NOS's to make the Democrats seem so insane and so crazy that Donald Trump would need to be elected. And once Donald Trump got elected, obviously then he was funded to the tune of, you know, $200 million by Apac. He'd already taken a good amount
31:44of money from them, but then it it went from like 20 million to like 200 and something million. and then all of a sudden we're at war with Iran. Would he have gotten into office if the Democrats didn't seem so untenable as an option due to all of these insane social policies to which they've largely conceded now? Like we've won the culture war and it was it easy to win because these things that they wanted were so patently insane, but they seem so insane that I'm like what did they actually think that this was like the right thing or like a viable thing? No. I feel like this this was an intentional scop to
32:20make the Democratic party seem so insane that there was no other choice but Donald Trump.
32:25And that may sound crazy, but also the fact that people actually believe these policies in the first place was crazy. I think it took a lot of funding and a lot of scops in order to make that even possible.
32:37>> Yeah, I don't think you're crazy at all.
32:39I don't know if you're right, but I think about the same thing you do all the time. I I I think it's a viable possibility because the other thing I was just talking with my friend Clint yesterday on a podcast about this, but you know, when Donald Trump's first term once he had, you know, been a year out or something like that and you could actually like think about it and get past like the co hysteria and all that, when that had ended, it was like you look back on it and there were a lot of political things I disagreed with on on him, but you remembered the fear going into it that people would stoke. Oh,
33:11he's going to hit the red button. Oh, it's going to be a complete disaster.
33:14The economy is going to crash. America's going to be dead. None of that happened.
33:18He was chaotic. He tweeted some stupid [ __ ] You know, he fired people in 10 days sometimes. Like, it wasn't all perfect. I believe co would have happened to any president. I didn't partic I'm not saying he made all the right decisions there, but >> I didn't blame that on him, right?
33:32>> So to speak. So everything before that I was like, you know, it wasn't the worst presidency I've ever seen. Meaning when if if there's a possibility he gets elected again, I'm not going into it like, oh [ __ ] I wonder what's going to happen here. I'm more like, okay, we kind of, you know, there's going to be some chaos. We know we're going to get >> I know Donald Trump is a New York real estate business guy. I know he's a trained professional liar. I know he's a bullshitter. I get it. And he did that sometimes in the in in the first administration. The level of opposite day as I referenced earlier though that
34:02he has done in this current administration is beyond the pale for even what I expected. He is gaslighting >> everyone to an extent that is start like in my head I'm starting to think >> this is in a totally different way almost beyond some of the gaslighting that I would hear from Korean John Pierre every day >> at the at the press conferences when Biden was in there. I mean, am I crazy to think that?
34:24>> No, you're not crazy. He He did a total 180 on every single thing that he promised. One of the biggest things that he promised was no new wars. And I I don't even think that being America first means being an isolationist. I think there is wars that directly benefit our hemisphere and America directly, you know, but um starting the war in Iran, like yes, they they don't like us. They're not big fans of America, but were they any direct danger to us, per se? If our metric for going to war with countries who don't like us is just that they don't like us China right now.
35:00>> Exactly. There's like, as James Fishbach says, there's like 50 countries that we should be at war with right now. 100%.
35:08It's it's at the behest of Israel. Marco Rubio said it straight from the jump.
35:12You know, um Iran was going to attack Israel and we believe that would then precipitate an attack on our allies in the region or the United States directly. They admitted it from the jump. But it wasn't just that. Ob obviously also like the Epstein files.
35:26That was one of the biggest campaign promises. And if it wasn't for Thomas Massie and Ro Conor actually a bipartisan resolution, people reaching across the aisle to actually enact any change. We wouldn't have anything at all right now. And we still don't have everything. We have what, 3 million out of 6 million files? Something like that.
35:47Yeah, there's some convenient 1999 to 2001 files missing too. That's kind of interesting.
35:52>> There you go. Wasn't the redactions as well? That was crazy when they initially released them and it was the victim's names.
35:59>> Don't redact those. We need to know those.
36:01>> But also like so going back to what you were saying about like are some of these things intentional to evoke some type of a reaction? Do you think the US government is actually that sloppy that their redactions were so sloppy that people could literally put them in uh Word and unredact them because they weren't even properly redacted to be to begin with? Like I I don't understand what the long game necessarily may be, but I am not so smallminded to believe that there there isn't some type of long game attached to all of this because it truly is so opposite. makes no sense unless they're truly hanging something
36:38over his head that he's so terrified that he'll just do whatever it is that they say.
36:44>> I think you're I think you're cooking on that.
36:46>> Or maybe it's a combination of both. I don't know.
36:48>> It could be and and it could be a combination even beyond that, too. But I have these same thoughts you do about like what is, >> you know, everyone says it like the 5D chess move here. I don't [ __ ] know. I mean, I'm a YouTuber. Like, [laughter] it's not that serious. But I'm asking the questions that a lot of people out there listening right now are sitting at home going, "Yeah, this seems seems kind of off." And I think it could be a huge opportunity, you know, because >> we've been fighting the whole like left right thing forever. And people have been, you know, victims of, including me, like victims of scops in one
37:21direction or another with different ideologies that get injected within there. You already highlighted some that were absolutely crazy. And we then fight over, you know, as the 99% the stuff that's only going to move 5% one way or the other.
37:36>> Yeah.
37:36>> And while we do that and we're out burning [ __ ] in the streets sometime, you know, well, you and me aren't, but other people are, you know, >> the people who actually run this world get to sit in the back room and say, "All right, got them right where we need them. Now, let's do the [ __ ] that matters."
37:50>> It's a distraction 100%. They keep us distracted with uh culture wars so they can go and they can get away with with with genocide and with treason and betraying the American people. And we're too busy fighting one another over gender and and and economic things that we don't turn around and point the finger at who's actually to blame for a lot of the chaos. Like they intentionally sew the chaos to keep us distracted to a large degree. And that doesn't mean that the again that the disagreements that we have aren't legitimate and that they're not important. They are. They're they're very important. But I think we need the
38:30ability to be able to maintain our sovereignty to have a free country so we can fairly uh argue about these things in the actual courts and in the court of public opinion and the best idea will win. But we're not able to legitimately doing that when it's two sides of the same bird intentionally sewing this chaos to keep us fighting.
38:50>> I agree. You look at like the American Revolution, which I love studying these guys, you had everything from like an Aaron Bird to an Alexander Hamilton as a part of those factions.
39:03>> From 1775 to 1783, they all [ __ ] agreed.
39:07>> They were good. They they're like, "Hey, we got we got a main priority here.
39:10Let's take care of that." and then later they're [ __ ] literally shooting each other. That's sad, but it is what it is.
39:15You know, it just goes to show you we haven't had enough of a unifying moment with things. Now, here's here's one I think about a lot cuz you're thinking on a lot of patterns here and like I've been doing this a long time and over time you you kind of like >> step out and you see things that people say in front of you and here that sometimes it's like in the moment you're like that's interesting then later you're like oh that's way more interesting now. M >> but I remember back in the second time I recorded with Andrew Bamonte back in well we recorded the end of June 2022 he was saying in that podcast he said a
39:51line you know he worked at CIA definitely still does by the way you know and he was like we need an enemy I was like what what do you mean by that he's like we need an enemy that we can all agree and coales around >> because that's something that will actually unify people and get away from some [ __ ] And that's one place where I look at the timeline now and then I'm like, you know, he says that in June, he's starting to put that out there and then, you know, you get the Kanye [ __ ] in fall 2022. You get October 7th in fall 2023. You get everyone talking about this and suddenly everyone's just
40:29talking about Israel >> and all that and you're like, >> is is some of that again like on the five? Yeah. Is some of that very intentional?
40:38>> Yes. I think largely so people start speaking out about it so they can institute these hate speech laws and have a legitimate framework for doing that because again you do you understand what I'm saying? Cuz like again you you see this all around the world. It's like their typical like problem reaction solution playbook where if they can say enough people are sewing hate and are being uh conspiritizing and are being anti-semitic, uh they will use that to crush legitimate political discourse. Some people are so fed up that they're not being very tactful with the way that they explain the problem. And I don't
41:14blame them honestly because it is so patently obvious that sometimes you just want to double down and say some pretty harsh things. And then on the other hand, you have people who are a little bit more polished and a little bit more political and are presenting the issue as what it is. But either way, we're talking about the same thing. But the conversation is becoming so prevalent uh that now they're pushing harder than ever to push these hate speech laws in 38 states around the US. And this is the country that's meant to be about free speech. Like I I told you I haven't been back to Australia in 10 years. And I
41:55>> Oh, you've never gone back once? No.
41:57>> Oh, I didn't realize that.
41:59>> At first it was um just merely because it's like a long flight, expensive, whatever. But like I couldn't go back now because there are people who are being arrested for far more benign things than the stuff that I espouse on on podcasts like this or on my own show or even the event that I tried to organize um just last weekend, right? Um where we're blatantly calling out the issue for what it is in long form to extent. I mean, there's there's fathers in Australia who've been arrested for 40 secondond speeches on Australia Day where they say that Israel is not the greatest ally, it's the greatest enemy.
42:38Arrested behind bars. Yes. Behind bars.
42:42Uh there was a woman who was arrested for a political t-shirt that said from the river to the sea. That's it. She wore it to a protest. She said nothing else. She was arrested.
42:52um Joel Davis, there are so many different examples of people who've actually been put behind bars that are being criminally prosecuted. And uh now the burden of uh proof or the standard of proof in Australia is simply you say something that instills fear inside of a Jewish person.
43:13Not direct uh you know harm or threat to their well-being. subjective, >> subjective, something that that purely instills fear in them. And obviously, who's the arbiter of that, >> right? I mean, it's it's not your average Australian person. Australians could put up with a lot, okay? We we have a saying, we call it taking the piss. We we make fun of each other a lot. We tease each other a lot. What what Americans would call roasting. It's a roasting culture, okay? Uh but if you even instill fear inside of a Jewish person, you can be put behind bars for 5 years. So I agree with you here in the US. A lot of the I agree with you here
43:52in the US. A lot of the um the drama that's being stirred up, both sides of the political aisle, calling out the same issue, albeit maybe using slightly different words in different ways, some more extreme than others. It's becoming so prevalent that they're going to say we have a rampant issue with anti-semitism and that then gives them justification to actually enforce the hate speech laws that they've already instituted. A lot of these are passed by the way. They're just not being enforced at scale. But like uh Florida is one of the worst, Ohio is one of the worst. And then there's uh another 36 states in total.
44:29But once they click that on button and they say, "Okay, now you're being prosecuted for this legitimately," they just need justification in order to be able to do that. They need this the sentiment to be not just like simmering, but boiling over.
44:42>> Are you talking about the BDS laws specifically? So that's like if >> you're a business that >> refuses to do business with Israel or something like that, what what can happen? What What do these laws say?
44:54>> Yeah. So, so basically it's there's things that affect businesses, but it's even on an individual level. For example, if you speak out about the state of Israel, you're ineligible to get a green card in a lot of these states. Like they're blocking immigration from people who actually want to spend real money. Like honestly, like I'm kind of scared for that. I'm not a full citizen yet. M >> like I I I don't know if I could be necessarily criminally prosecuted, but I could have this whole life that I've built taken away just for speaking out about this subject. But yeah, absolutely. You're not you're not
45:28allowed to um to speak negatively about Israel. Uh otherwise the the government, they have legitimate reasons to boycott your business, not do business with you, and to uh to basically come after your livelihood. But if I say, you know, [ __ ] France, >> that's fine.
45:47>> I'm good.
45:48>> Yeah, [ __ ] the French.
45:49>> I like I like France. Great place. But if I said that, I'm good.
45:53>> Listen, you can Here's the thing. You can >> place Adam. Come on.
45:57>> I believe it. Listen, you can love your country and not love your government.
46:02There's nothing wrong. There's nothing wrong with that. You should be able to criticize your government. And the issue is now you can actually criticize the American government more than the Israeli government as an American. And there's less repercussions for criticizing our own president than criticizing BB Netanyahu. Like what the heck?
46:22>> Which by the way, could we pull this up, Dave? BB Netanyahu was elected with like 27% of the vote in Israel, which was like the orthodox vote and like the hardcore like right-wing vote.
46:33>> You and I were talking before camera.
46:34Shortly before October 7th, they were on the brink of civil war because people were in the streets while he took control of the [ __ ] courts. Yeah.
46:40>> To b and change the constitution effectively or was trying to do it to get him out of office. And now there is there's protests in Tel Aviv, I believe.
46:51>> Oh yes. are asking for inquiries into October >> 7th, which is beyond awesome to hear that because there's been a lot of Israelis who were around that that day testifying on that publicly in front of I don't know if it's all like Knesset.
47:05I've seen some videos where it's people associated with Knesset, but I don't want to say officially cuz it's not in front of me, but they've been talking about like the standown order and stuff like that.
47:12>> You know, every [ __ ] powerful country in this world does false flag shits. M so you you need to ask the question but this is literally last week you and I were talking about this all these people out in the streets >> demanding the inqu just like you said yeah inquiry into the events of October 7th which great for them and that's what I mean like shout out to the Israelis who >> want this like it's it's common sense and >> exactly >> I was talking with a guy I'm not going to say who it was because it was off the record but someone >> who's been really connected to events over there in the last few years who's
47:45not Israeli at all, but has spent a lot of time around Israelis. And this was the one thing he said when when he was talking about some of the things where he's come out and made some pretty strong statements. A lot of people in the Knesset have come to him and been like, "Brother, >> you are brave. [snorts] How can we help?" And he's like, "What? What do you mean? You just [ __ ] say something?"
48:04They're like, "No, no, we can't.
48:05>> We can't. How can we support you, though?"
48:07>> I'm like, "Holy shit." It's that it's that like >> it's that level. Yeah. 100, dude.
48:12Charlie Kirk, who is one of the biggest proclaimed like Israel loyalists, right, literally is on record on PBD podcast in 20123 asking was there a standown order? I have been to Israel. It takes 40 minutes to get to the the the Gaza border via helicopter and they let this thing carry out for hours and hours and hours. Like, make it make sense. And you're absolutely right. False flags do happen all over the world. I personally believe that the Bondi Beach shooting in Australia. Uh I believe that was a false flag because this 5-year prison sentence that I'm talking about that comes from instilling fear in Jewish people that
48:56came about directly after the Bondi Beach shooting. [snorts] And so, you know, >> do No, I I believe you. It could certainly be that. Do we have like evidence to support that though?
49:07>> There is circumstantial evidence. Um, I would say that the one guy, his name is like Armen. Uh, you said his name earlier, the Arsenki.
49:16>> Arson Estroski. Yes. So, he's a top 50 Zionist strategist in the entire world.
49:22Okay. Um, he literally has it in his bios on all of his social medias. So, my question, what are you strategizing, sir? He literally survived October 7th as well as the Bondi Beach shooting.
49:35Like just the mere percentile chance of being in those two attacks and surviving them both within a close proximity is very minuscule like like extremely low like I wouldn't say impossible but highly highly improbable. And then when you add to the fact that he was literally on the floor taking a selfie after getting shot with the caption saying they're attacking the Jews again.
50:00>> Yeah, that's not what I'm thinking to do while I'm getting attacked.
50:03>> Yes. I mean, that's not a natural human like reflex when you're going through something like that, right? Um, and then again, like he literally has in his bio, he's a strategist. I mean, maybe take that out of your bio if you don't want people to connect the dots. But immediately after that, they instituted the hate speech laws. Now, maybe it's a coincidence. There's also that saying, you know, never waste a crisis. Uh, also a a false flag doesn't mean that people didn't actually die, that the whole thing was like faked and set up. Like people people can die in false flag attacks, you know, but there is a large
50:38possibility that there were people who carried this out with the agenda to actually push through these hate speech laws. Or maybe the Australian government was just waiting for the perfect moment to click the on button. Don't waste a crisis. Uh either way, you know, there's an agenda that they want to fulfill and they will fulfill that by any means necessary, whether they orchestrate that or not or they're patiently waiting for something to justify what they want to enact.
51:05>> Yeah, you have to ask questions like that when it's so perfectly correlated.
51:10It doesn't mean that's that's what it is, but >> you know, you make a good point. No matter what, if there's some sort of crisis or event that could be taken care of, you know, where they can get something through, they'll do it. I mean, look at everything we did after 9/11 in this country. Well, we the [ __ ] government did >> after 9/11. And that's another thing.
51:27You see Trump asking for the FISA 702 now, and he's like, I'm willing to give up a little bit of my safety to make sure we're we're a little bit of my freedoms to make sure we're safe. It's like, Malaka, there's literally a [ __ ] quote from Benjamin Franklin that says, "Anyone who would sacrifice a little bit of liberty for safety deserves neither."
51:47>> Neither. Yeah. It's like what the [ __ ] are you doing, bro?
51:51>> That that's the benefit of America. We are a free country. If you want to sacrifice that, then quite frankly, that is unamerican to me.
52:00>> Yeah.
52:00>> Yeah. And that was another thing like there's always been like this major gun debate in America and all that.
52:08>> Seeing the stuff, forget here, seeing the stuff in Australia.
52:14>> Yeah. during the height of CO is what really put me over the top with like, yeah, we got to protect that second amendment, you know, >> 100% >> like it because you just see like you said a disarmed country >> and they got no power against any type of totalitarianism and like I'm just saying if I were >> trying to study a future police state in America, if I'm like Palunteer or something like that, I'd have been >> I'd have been test harvesting all over [ __ ] Australia. Yeah, it's literally called the test kitchen of the world.
52:44That's where they test a lot of these very dystopian policies. Uh digital ID is another one. Not sure if you're familiar, but like so Thomas Massie and a few of the good politicians in our Congress actually spoke out about Real ID, which is something that's been implemented in the US because it's the first step towards uh towards digital ID. Um because basically it's just it so digital ID in Australia basically incorporates everything about yourself.
53:14So like your all of your your your your medical records, your driving records, like everything. It's all implemented into one singular ID. and they sell it as convenience, saying, "Well, you don't need to, for example, when you're applying for a house, upload multiple verification documents and this and that because it's all digitized inside of this one central ID." And so they're pitching it as this thing that you can use for safety. But this is the first step, for example, that was implemented in in communist China before they implemented their social credit system.
53:48If you say anything that the government doesn't like, doesn't approve of, then all of a sudden they can switch off your access to funds to travel, to be able to do anything that you would usually use your ID for. I truly believe that Australia actually is going to be the first country that actually resembles communist China in everything other than name and they will implement something of a um a social credit system where you're penalized for actions that you that you take or do not take basically against the government and it's a way to keep everybody subservient.
54:25>> How do forget the United States for a minute and other places at this point?
54:30How does Australia stop something like that happening?
54:33>> Honestly, for a long time, I kind of thought that we were cooked and it really wasn't worth talking about, but uh what we're starting to see in Australia is mass protests occurring. Uh there was something called the March for Australia where tens of thousands, maybe hundreds, we can look it up, um took to the streets and they protested this along with the rampant illegal immigration because the two actually go hand in hand. Um if you allow me to back up for a minute and kind of explain. Um I see what's happening in Australia as kind of like a a a multifaceted approach. So number one, they're implementing all of these
55:15dystopian policies such as their digital ID system, such as their speech laws, really dystopian policies to control people. Number two, they're also importing the third world and creating rampant illegal immigration to the point where it is overwhelming our social security system to the point where there's crimes like that here in in the US where you know there is there is murders and there's uh there's rapes, there's terrible things happening and I believe they're trying to make the problem so bad when it comes to illegal immigration that eventually Australians are going to call out for for a solution. Help me please, daddy
55:54government. And then they'll enact their problem reaction solution playbook.
55:58Okay, now we have the digital ID which can be utilized as a social credit score. Okay, now we're going to press the on button and we're going to enable this for everybody, not just if you're in the private sector, but in the public sector as well, for absolutely everyone.
56:14And they're going to use it as a guise to get rid of the illegal immigrants.
56:17They already did this in the UK. Uh actually Kia Starama said by 2030 every single person needs to have a digital ID otherwise you won't be able to work and he pitched it as an idea to kick out all of the illegal immigrants and Austral >> and Australia is going to do a very similar thing. Australia is like the little brother to the UK but also because it's on an island and kind of isolated again it's the it's the test kitchen. They could do all types of crazy [ __ ] out there.
56:45>> They sent all their prisoners there.
56:46They >> Yeah, exactly. We're we're a country made of convex basically. Yeah.
56:51>> So he really said by 2030 you won't be able to get a job in the UK.
56:55>> Yep.
56:57>> You need a digital ID to be able to work and and it's probably going to be quicker than that. He probably just announced that to kind of be the prelude to get everybody activated to get them looking to do that. There's been protests in the UK as well. Again going back to your question, what can people do? It's difficult in disarmed civilizations like the UK or like Australia because we don't have a mass defense against tyranny. That's uh largely what our second amendment is for to defend against a tyrannical government >> that no such thing exists in Australia and in the UK. So all they can really do
57:34is have pro is is protest take to the streets and make enough noise that hopefully somebody listens or somebody steps up. Who's this jerk off thief?
57:44>> This from world economics.
57:45>> Yeah, but who is this guy? That's not Kier.
57:48>> Yeah. And our Kier said it. There's >> the Spanish guy.
57:54>> No, it's not the Spain PM, is it? Let's play it.
57:59>> Let's play it.
58:02to media.
58:04In our countries, no one can walk the streets with a mask on their face or drive a car without a license plate.
58:14No one can send packages [clears throat] without showing an ID or buy a hunting weapon without giving their name. And yet, we are allowing people to roam freely on social networks without linking their profiles to a real identity.
58:32This paving the way for misinformation, hate speech and cyber harassment because it is facilitating the use of bots and it is allowing people to act without being held accountable for their actions.
58:49Such an anomaly cannot continue in a democracy. Citizens have the right to privacy. So, actually this is this is interesting to bring up because it's related to what you're saying. It wasn't the cure starmer thing, but >> it's another thing you hear a lot of these guys, whether it be the WF or the literal world leaders when they're out talking on their [ __ ] stumps talking about online and policing misinformation with respect to bot campaigns and propaganda and stuff like that.
59:19Now, this is where it gets complicated, too, because I'm of the opinion you have to let everything out there and let the best speech win. As painful as that is, when it includes stuff that is completely not real. Yeah.
59:32>> Cuz we're not dealing with like the old days where it's a bunch of people talking face to face in a public square.
59:36We're now dealing with what he's pointing out there, which is behind a keyboard. to me when I hear stuff like that like we have to police bots for he said misinformation very 1984 word hate speech also a very 1984-ish type term because of these bot campaigns for propaganda he is dressing up a Trojan horse yeah >> with something that does look like an actual threat >> and saying yeah yeah we'll just do this and then >> the whole city Troy gets sacked after that. Yeah. I mean, if you believe in free speech, that means protecting speech that you don't like from sources that you don't know or sources that you
60:11do not agree with because uh by that same token, it could be speech that you believe in the next day or the next year or 10 years from now, right? You gave the example when we were talking before.
60:22They could literally turn that into, okay, now it's illegal to talk about God or your belief in God, right? Um, so it's a very slippery slope and we need to treat it like that and we need to protect all speech including speech that we don't like and don't agree with 100%.
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