0:01I said at the beginning or towards the beginning, Terrap Palm Mary put out a report about three names that Sarah Kellen mentioned in her closed door testimony.
0:14Now, before I get to Tara's report, let's review Sarah Kellen Vickers, who is someone we haven't talked about a ton. I've talked about her in the past on a bunch of podcasts, but since we started the weekend episodes, she has not really been covered in the Epstein Files. And this is a very very important person to cover because it's it's an odd one and I have my opinions on her, but I've heard opinions in all kinds of different directions and everything.
0:41Sarah Kellen is a was a young lady who came into Jeffrey Epstein's orbit and it's reasonable to say was most likely groomed by him, perhaps abused and at least at the beginning started as a victim.
1:03That all said, she eventually became one of his core recruiters of girls, meaning she was going exactly what it sounds like. She was going and getting girls and recruiting girls that were going to be his rape victims and bringing them to him. She is also a woman who in the years after his conviction was photographed by Daily Mail smiling and hugging him outside of his apartment >> and remained in his orbit. Now, her name is Sarah Kellen Vickers, I believe, cuz she's still married to Brian Vickers, the NASCAR driver. I checked this a few years ago. It's been a while, but a few years ago, she had been living in a
1:41really nice place in [ __ ] I won't say the neighborhood, but in New York City and was living the life and moving on from Jeffrey Epstein. But I had a discussion about Sarah Kellum with Lisa Phillips because, you know, Lisa was on my show, someone who was pulled into Epstein's orbit and raped by Jeffrey Epstein the first time she met him and the second time she met him. And you know, I I don't and and Lisa, that's why I asked her. She's a victim and so she has a right to her opinion on this.
2:15I I didn't agree with Lisa's opinion though on Sarah Kellen. what I asked her essentially in episode 394.
2:22Was it 394 or 398? It was two parts. I think it was in the 394 part, not the second one. Maybe it was the second one. It was one of those two cuz it was all one sit down, but I split it up into two parts. I asked her if she thought Sarah Kellen was a defendant or a victim, and she felt she was more of a victim because she was psychologically manipulated.
2:53My issue with that argument [clears throat] is that if I it would be more of a stretch admittedly, but if I made that leap, I could make that leap for Glenn Maxwell too potentially. Because there is evidence, it's not proven, but there is evidence that Glenn Maxwell was sadistically abused by her father, Robert Maxwell, as a child and grimmed by him >> and then forced into this world to where he introduced her to Jeffrey Epstein.
3:21And then when he died, she was left with almost no money and had to I had to is a very generous way of putting it, but was put in a position of groomed perhaps by her father by spy agencies mad to get into Jeffrey Epste's orbit and work for him on his behalf doing these disgusting things. So, if that is true, you can make the argument that, well, then is she a victim, too? Because she was just so brainwashed that she didn't know what she was doing. And I would never make that argument. Gilen Maxwell is a monster who should die in prison.
4:00And I and I repeat, if they even dare pardon her, that's war, man. Like, that's a war moment if they if if they dare pardon this woman. So, I feel very strongly about that. And unfortunately for Sarah Kellen Vickers, I don't see a lot of difference there, man. She she spent years as an adult recruiting girls to go meet Jeffrey Epstein and then was laughing about laughing with him on the street.
4:38I I if I remember correctly, I remember Daily Mail images from like maybe 2015, 2016.
4:47>> At some at some point, you're responsible for your actions.
4:50>> I was going to say with that same logic too, then you could say it for Epstein as well because wasn't there that article like a week or two ago about some neighborhood in Florida where he was living and like [snorts] and like what? I I just I I saw something about um this neighborhood in Florida and like where he would be and they were abusive to the kids in that way and it was like it felt like this spin of like are they trying to say because like he was abused that's why they did >> oh god I no I we're not going to touch that. We're not even going to touch that. Yeah. Cuz that and that's another
5:23thing I was talking about.
5:24>> Yeah. I was like that seems like a stretch now.
5:27>> There's not a hell of a lot known.
5:30>> Yeah.
5:30>> Beyond the basic facts about Jeffrey Epstein's childhood. And I don't give a [ __ ] He He is He was a grown ass man. Made his decisions. He is what he is.
5:40>> I have I have whatever less than zero empathy is. I have less than zero empathy. He can get [ __ ] >> But sorry I told you I'm on one sec.
5:49[laughter] But you know with with Sarah Kellen who's never been charged with anything and was listed as an unindicted co-conspirator, I believe. Can we check that? in the 2007208 case, unnamed, unindicted co-conspirator Sarah Kellen. I believe she was on there.
6:07Like, she's guilty to me. And now she's being pulled into these closed door hearings where she gets to point the finger in other directions.
6:17>> Yeah, she was one of four.
6:18>> She was identified as potential co-conspirator.
6:22>> That said, that doesn't mean that the testimony she's given is wrong or not helpful. And so when Tara gets information, Tara Palary gets information like this, we do need to pay attention. And there were three people that according to two sources who were inside the hearings, I believe according to Tara, >> Sarah Kellen named.
6:47The first one is notable for a couple different reasons. So his name is Lavine. What the [ __ ] was his first name?
6:55>> Philip. Philip Lavine who was the mayor of South Beach in Miami and what's really notable about him is Gilen Maxwell had said in the past he is the man who introduced Bill Clinton to Gilen shortly after Bill Clinton left office which also puts a timeline together >> that that's when she really developed a relationship with him. What I was a bit confused about is that I know Epstein visited the White House a bunch while Bill Clinton was in there. Did Gilen ever go with Epstein to the White House?
7:30Can we pull up images of that? Gilen, Epstein, Clinton, White House. See if there's any images of them talking with him like in the White House, which would change the story. Yeah. See the one? See the third one?
7:46That's when Clinton's in office. So, here's what's fascinating here. Why is Gilen saying that Lavine after [clears throat] Clinton left office is the one who introed her to Clinton? What that tells me is that that is the guy who like maybe vouched for her in Clinton's postpresidential life. This is pure spec right now. I don't [ __ ] know. Pure spec. But like maybe that makes him the guy who vouched for Gilen as like a friend and access agent post presidency and maybe I don't know legitimized her. What really was odd about Lavine and and I have the report in front of me de so I can see it with with the cool
8:30>> with the smaller text but you know he's the mayor of South Beach. He's a [ __ ] mayor. the mayor of a town within a city, right? Like, you know, we were making fun of all the New York City [ __ ] candidates for talking about their first trip to Israel, running for [ __ ] mayor in New York, and that's New York City.
8:49>> We thought that was ridiculous. So, the mayor of Miami Beach being such an international like kind of connected player, according to the literal emails, he's on 435 emails with Jeffrey Epstein in the files if I if my memory serves me right, >> talking about meeting so and so in Europe, connecting with, you know, I'll look at it in a minute, some other serious names as well. It's like, why is a mayor like of that kind of place that connected?
9:18And how do you get That's weird.
9:22>> That's weird. This is where it gets beyond the scope of like my understanding of the world because I don't understand these [ __ ] elites.
9:30But I wouldn't even think of that guy as an elite. I would think of that guy as like the guy that they call when, you know, there's a cop outside their house for a noise complaint and they need taken care of by their little [ __ ] whipping boy who they gave a hundred bucks last month to his [ __ ] mayoral campaign. Stay off my lawn, by the way.
9:46LIKE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I would think the relationship is, but it appears it's not. So, from Maxwell's or from Tarapel Mary's reporting, first of all, [laughter] this is what Lavine wrote to Jeffrey Epstein shortly after he left prison for his conviction, you know, for being a pedophile. He said, 'Hi, just want to let you know, this is in 2010, that I am happy that everything has come to a positive ending for you during these tough times. You are a great guy and I know all good things will come to you going forward in Europe for a while, referring to himself, and hope we can catch up soon.
10:34Your friend Phillip, to which Epstein replied, I appreciate the thought. There was also, and I alluded to this, Lavine wrote to Antonio Bologna, an ex, is that really how you say it? Baloney.
10:49>> Bologn.
10:50>> Antonio Bologna, an executive at LVMH Moet Hennessy Louis Vuitton in 2003 email that he had quote, so this is preconviction, been asked to possibly set up an appointment between you and my friend Jeffrey Epste. Jeffrey would like to meet you in Paris regarding Sephora.
11:10the beauty brand.
11:11>> Nice. That's good.
11:13>> Interesting.
11:15Sephora is the makeup.
11:17>> Yeah. So, he's trafficking through makeup, >> dude.
11:25By the way, didn't Andrew Tate sit down with our friend [ __ ] Zoli this week?
11:30>> Did he?
11:31>> Can you find that while I'm reading this? I don't give a [ __ ] what that guy >> Neither do I, but it's relevant because Zoli's on some [ __ ] tour trying to talk his [ __ ] you know, garlic and olive oil [ __ ] Anyway, Jeffrey would like to meet you in Paris regarding Sephora. Briefly, Jeffrey is a major financeier and the financial adviser and representative for Leslie Wexner of the Limited. Dropping the Wexner bomb in there. In one notorious email, Maxwell wrote to Lavine. Now, this is referring to Gilen Maxwell.
12:00talked about this. I told her that you, referring to the mayor of South, future mayor of South Beach at this point, that you were hung like a horse and she said that she would like to see it at breakfast. I told her to take pictorial evidence from me. Not weird at all. Not weird at all. So, when Sarah Kellen mentions this guy, again, the context in which she mentioned him was that he was involved in the trafficking and the overall conspiracy. Yeah. You read emails like this >> where one of the main conspirators, Glenn Maxwell, who is apparently convicted of trafficking children to nobody, >> is talking literally in a sexual way as
12:39if she's [ __ ] seen it, which I assume she has to like it. You see how common place and >> I'm just laughing because like nothing happens, you know?
12:51>> Yeah. Oh, wait. So, this is this is real. He sat down with Palisoli.
12:56>> Yeah.
12:57I don't even want to know what they said. Uh, I mean, [snorts] it's only 11 minutes long, so I feel like that says it all.
13:03>> You know what? I feel like I got to give more PR advice again. So, Andrew Tate.
13:09>> Oh, I mean, yeah, you could use >> who has been accused I I think, listen, you and I are not fans of Andrew Tate by any stretch of the imagination to be very clear. We make fun of him all the time. That said, he seemed to have some relatively trumped up charges brought against him regarding trafficking.
13:27>> Yeah.
13:28>> Right.
13:31Optically, Andrew talking with a guy who is openly accused allegedly pure spec here, Joey Def. Just want to for for any future judges, lawyers, etc. Pure spec, which does stand for speculation for official legal purposes. who stands accused allegedly, speculatively of potentially maybe being involved in some sexual [ __ ] trafficking operations with Jeffrey Epstein.
14:00Maybe optically, as someone who has been accused, Andrew Tate, of charges that you claim are not real, maybe optically you don't sit down and talk with this guy. Maybe you let someone else do that. I don't know. Just a thought. Ju just a thought.
14:17Am I crazy?
14:19>> You're nuts.
14:20>> Is this a movie? Are we Truman? Is this the Truman Show? Like they're just doing this to us.
14:25>> It feels like that a lot lately. Yeah.
14:27>> I have this lonely thought sometimes and unfortunately I was told I'm not crazy for having this thought by someone who literally studies it for a living. But my friend RZ Verk, I did a couple podcasts with him last year. RZ Verk is an MIT simulation theorist, meaning he studies the idea, possibility, and potential of us being in a simulation all day, every day. I love RZ. Great guy, happy golucky. I hope he's wrong about the real possibility of this. But I asked him on camera and talked with him about it off camera. I was like, you know, RZ, sometimes I wake up and I have this really lonely thought. And the
15:02thought is, I'm Truman in a Truman Show type scenario where it's not like everyone around me knows they're fake, but they're Sims characters and I just don't know it because some [ __ ] alien somewhere is playing a video game and it's a giant joke on me. And he was like, I have the same thought often.
15:20Which was not very reassuring to me. But I swear to God, sometimes when I see these things happen to where people are just [ __ ] which seems to happen all the time now, where people are just openly doing like opposite day in your face or like dumb PR in your face. It feels like a giant joke on me. So I obviously I hope we're not in a simulation and I hope all of you very real people out there listening right now feel the same way I do because I'm [ __ ] sick of these people just playing these like almost twisted jokes on us. So I hope you're not in on it, Andrew Tate. But like, come on. Come on.
15:51Don't Don't talk to that [ __ ] guy.
15:53What are you doing? Anyway, back to Lavine. So, obviously very very uh vibeccoated >> with the Epstein community.
16:04>> Oh, yeah.
16:05>> I think that's fair to say.
16:06>> Safe to say that.
16:07>> Yeah, safe to say. Second guy accused is a dude named, and I'm going to get it wrong how to pronounce this. I don't really give a [ __ ] His name is allegedly Frederick Fakai Fcky. I I don't know. But he was Epstein si stylist like salon person. He would do house calls >> nice >> at the mansion. And there are women in the past who have already accused him of to use Howard Lutnik's terms untored actions. And by untored I mean rape.
16:35>> So it's not new in that way. But what Sarah Kellen is alleging is that he was literally involved in the trafficking.
16:44This one I was a little bit confused like how a salon guy is involved in that. But again, [clears throat] I'm not some evil [ __ ] elitist child trafficker. Who knows how these people think. So maybe that's normal. Maybe salon stylists are a big part of like the underground railroad of [ __ ] taking advantage of kids. I don't know.
17:08I'll leave that one for you guys. Joey D, you got some thoughts?
17:10>> No, it's just he's got scissors, dude.
17:13You ever have someone come at you with a pair of scissors?
17:15>> Oh, I never thought about that. He's got a weapon on him at all times.
17:18>> Someone comes at me with a pair of scissors, call me a folding table. It's over.
17:22>> You see that model who just got attacked by our stylist?
17:25>> Oh, yeah. We can't show the video.
17:29>> No bueno on that one.
17:31>> No bueno.
17:32>> I I did find it funny that she copyrighted the the footage and put >> Joe, you have to protect the right on%.
17:41I was like, "Oh, okay.
17:42>> She's looking out for the brand >> respect."
17:44>> You know, she she's going to she's going to need that.
17:48>> I mean, yeah, cuz it didn't look too good.
17:50>> I didn't watch it with volume. Was that him on in the background like sitting there? So, she's recording him after doing the deed.
17:57>> Yeah. Like if his name was Joemo, she's like, "How does it feel Joemo?" Cuz the [ __ ] world is going to see who you really are and he's just on the couch just like my life is over.
18:07>> That's crazy.
18:08>> Yeah.
18:08>> Yeah, you're right. running with scissors, >> dude.
18:11>> No bueno.
18:11>> No bueno.
18:13>> No, no bueno. So, anyway, that was the second guy. The third guy was Patrick De Marielli. Some [ __ ] French guy. I don't have an ear for French as I've said in the past, but this one is interesting because he's a very famed fashion photographer. Now, this one makes a lot of sense. Joey D, if you and I have talked about the underworld, the fashion >> high fashion dude. Yeah, >> it's crazy. which you were like a contractor in that for a little bit, right? Yeah. Yep. You ever see some crazy [ __ ] Nothing like this. It was just always like fun crazy [ __ ] >> Yeah. Joe's like, "No rape." No rape.
18:48>> Yeah. Yeah. None of that.
18:49>> Never never saw no rape.
18:51>> No, it was like someone. It's like people getting caught in the stairwell [ __ ] who are just like, you know, all dead.
18:56>> You ever have to like break it up like like >> No, not me. Not me personally. Yeah.
19:00>> You never did?
19:00>> No. Did you join in?
19:02>> If if the way I saw it, I'm like, let it let let it happen. This is >> So, you joined in?
19:06>> No, I didn't join in on any occasions.
19:08This is high fashion.
19:09>> Per spec. I don't know if I buy that.
19:12>> This is high fashion. All right.
19:13>> It's high fashion. It's one type of highline fashion.
19:17>> Yeah, I know. Some funny times in that biz. It's a crazy biz, but nothing like this. Though, I do believe this type of [ __ ] goes on because there's a lot of weirdos, too.
19:28>> Definitely a lot of weirdos.
19:29>> A lot of weirdos. You were like an insider on that for me for a little bit.
19:33>> Oh, dude. Yeah. I mean, it was cool, but a lot of weirdos.
19:36>> Yeah. So, you didn't know of Patrick the Marchelli?
19:39>> No, I was about to just look up his work and see.
19:42>> He's old now. But Patrick the Marielli.
19:45Again, this is from Tara Palary. Let's make a note of this as well. Def >> I want to link her Substack down below so people can go subscribe to that as well. Tara. I've shouted out Tara on I don't know [ __ ] 60 podcasts in the course of my career because she has been a longtime journalist on the Epstein and Maxwell case, both of them. She is someone who was also very close with Virginia Robert Schuay who tragically died over this past year who was a really brave whistleblower on as an Epstein victim and on calling a lot of this stuff out. So, Tara's been plugged in for a long time with this. But again,
20:22from Tower's reporting, Patrick De Marelli, the famed fashion photographer, later accused by multiple women of sexual harassment and misconduct, also appeared prominently in Epstein's orbit.
20:32In a 2012 email, Epstein wrote, "After London, I am going with Patrick de Marcheli and Russian Vogue to St.
20:38Petersburg." Again, remember he was hunting a lot of women in Eastern Europe, damn, >> Ukraine, Russia, the whole bit. That's where you get people. De Marchelli's world also intersected directly with one Donald and Melania Trump. The photographer famously shot one of the best known portraits of Donald and Melania. Can you actually pull that up from the Google doc right there and just blow that up?
20:59>> Oh yeah, absolutely.
21:00>> In 1999 at Trump's New York residence of the two in a mock oval office, which has very similar curtains to what Donald Trump has now, I might add. But you guys have seen this picture before. It is Melania lying down on the table and Trump working the phones over her.
21:19It's a great shot. I'll give him that.
21:21It's a great shot. Uh good photography, but again, you know, >> David Lash Chappelle vibes.
21:27>> Yeah. Yeah. He was also on Epstein's September 18th, 2012 2010 Yam Kapoor guest list alongside a a host of names including the affforementioned Salonist Fakai won Rudy Giuliani who was very quick out of his coma to celebrate Thomas Massiey's defeat this week. More on that later. Katie Kurrick, Harvey Weinstein, and of course, our longtime friend and ally, >> Alan Dersawitz, [snorts] >> who I've never said anything bad about.
22:09I've only said great things about the Dur.
22:13>> Hell of a who's who right there. So, you know, three different types of people in different types of jobs, in different types of worlds, in different types of orbits, being named by one of the four main unnamed co-conspirators of Jeffrey Epstein all the way back in the OG case in 2008 as being involved in a trafficking operation. We need to keep our eye on this. This is this is that's a big that's a big report. So, you know, again, it's like the tentacles just >> Yeah. It's all all intertwined.
22:49>> It's like uh what's what's the term I'm looking for?
22:53It's like peeling an onion, but it never gets smaller.
22:56>> You keep going layer by layer. It's like it's it's >> it's like Russian dolls.
23:00>> Yeah. It's it's water torture.
23:03But, >> by the way, he worked with K Nost a lot.
23:07It looks like >> Kas not not who I was with. No, >> it's not who you were with.
23:11>> We steered clear of guys like that.
23:13[snorts] >> Connie Naz had a lot of offices in Freedom Tower. I remember >> I was with you know >> I don't know Joey Def.
23:25>> You know >> what's this?
23:26>> I'm doing the Spider-Man meme right now for people who couldn't see.
23:30>> You were with who?
23:33>> Oh, that's right.
23:35>> Yeah.
23:37>> Interesting.
23:38>> Yeah.
23:40I totally forgot about that. Yeah.
23:42Interesting connection. So, you weren't with this guy. So, yeah, that's what's important. Steered clear of that.
23:47>> Steered clear of this.
23:48>> Good stuff, guys.
23:49>> You were with the good people effectively.
23:50>> I I was >> who just [ __ ] in the stairwells.
23:53>> Yeah. They did it the old school way.
23:54>> The old school way consensually, right?
23:56>> Exactly. Yes.
23:57>> No one underage?
23:58>> No.
23:58>> Never saw anything?
23:59>> No.
24:00>> Good.
24:01>> No. All adults.
24:02>> Good. That's that's that's what we want to hear. You know, if you're going to have fun in Wild Industries, do it.
24:08legally and don't [ __ ] abuse people.
24:10Don't know why that's a hard part.
24:12>> 100%.
24:13>> Also, Tara had said, we don't need to play the video, but she was on Piers Morgan and she said the FBI >> is holding like obviously we know about the 3 million documents. So she said that, but also 40 terabytes worth of video, [snorts] which goes directly against what acting attorney general Todd Blanch said on [ __ ] Steven Miller's wife podcast about, "Listen, if the FBI has video, I I I don't know anything about it. As far as I know, there's no abuse material. Even though his predecessor was very on record before this whole odyssey of the cover up, saying she was sitting on all these files of horrible material of Epstein
24:51abusing victims. Cash Patel talked about it and then nobody knows nothing.
24:57>> Wow.
24:57>> Gone like it never happened.
25:00Interesting.
25:02>> That's interesting.
25:02>> There's no video, brother. There's 40 terabytes.
25:05>> There's 40 terabytes.
25:07>> Damn.
25:07>> 40 TBs. My dog [ __ ] Prince Andrew's under investigation, further investigation, not just the arrest we saw a couple months ago where he was arrested to be clear on suspicion of passing classified material to Jeffrey Epstein, meaning not like trafficking charges, but to Jeffrey Epstein when he was acting as special trade envoy. Now, that's a whole can of worms on its own.
25:32But now he is being we had to archive is it because it's NY times. He is being investigated by >> British police on abuse that may have happened as well. So when I had looked at this de before it was given as a free article so that's why it didn't archive.is. That's my bad.
25:54>> So if we can get this article we'll have more details on it but essentially >> it looks like I got it. Yeah you get a free read.
26:01>> Okay. So a British police force said it was assessing a report that a woman had been taken to an address in Windsor in 2010 for sexual purposes. No charges have yet been filed.
26:10The police in Britain said on Friday they were continuing their investigation into Andrew Mountbatten Witzer Windsor.
26:16The former Prince Andrew and said they were assessing reports that a woman had been taken to this address in 2010 for sexual purposes. The King's brother was arrested in February as part of investigation into misconduct in public office over his ties to Jeffrey Epste.
26:28Da da da. The arrest in February followed accusations.
26:34Let's see. In their statement, the police said in addition to the investigation into misconduct in public office, the assessment of reports that a woman was taken to an address in Windsor in 2010 for sexual purposes is ongoing.
26:44So, they came out and said this. They said they have engaged with the woman's legal representatives to confirm that she should she wish to report this to police, it would be taken seriously and handled with care, sensitivity, and respect for her privacy and her lifelong right to anonymity under UK law.
26:58Virginia Juy, who was the first victim of Mr. Epste to wave her right to anonymity, told the Metro Police in 2015 that Mr. Epstein and his longtime accomplice, Gilen Maxwell, had trafficked her in London in 2001 and forced her to have sex with Mr.
27:10Mountbatten Windsor when she was 17 years old. Mr. Mountbatten Windsor has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing into relation to Miss Juay who died by suicide allegedly in 2025. So, it be interesting because again, this is a, you know, it's a low bar, but it's something. They're trying to do something over there for a very prominent person accused of horrible things with Jeffrey Epstein. That is more than I could say for people in this country, which by the way, I've always had operated under the, you know, my guests that come on the show when they're involved in public stuff, I stay out of it. And I'm I'm going to do
27:54that with this.
27:56And I'm going to choose my words carefully here, but the picture of Nick Shirley with Howard Lutnik, [laughter] >> dude, >> in the White House posing.
28:12>> Nick's been on the show years ago now before anyone knew him. Very nice kid. I got political differences with him, but there's some work he's done that's good.
28:23Others that I think has a political bend. That's fine.
28:29Don't Don't [ __ ] use that kid, Howard Lick. Like, he's young. Nick is young.
28:36He's [ __ ] 24 years old, you know? He gets a lot of heat for some [ __ ] He's He's a young guy. [snorts] I make mistakes all the time and I'm older than Nick, but that's just such a bad look. And also Howard Letic talking about if you're doing fraud, we'll investigate you anywhere. Okay, how about we look at the fraud in this [ __ ] administration? Listen, I ain't arguing with you. Investigate the [ __ ] out of [ __ ] Gavin Newsome.
29:00Investigate the [ __ ] out of what's going on in Minneapolis. I don't like fraud in any of its [ __ ] forms. How about the fraud from Howard Lutnick?
29:06>> Just go home, Howard. Just literally go to your house to uncover the fraud that we all looking to uncover. about them [ __ ] tariff trades, bro.
29:15>> Like, >> you know, he's got like one of those safes in the lock in the walk-in closet and, you know, a few things waiting to be seen kind of >> and and that's the thing that's the thing I hope Nick is more careful with moving forward. And again, I don't like doing this because I don't I don't talk with with Nick. Great guy. Came here like I don't text and talk with Nick. I don't have that kind of relationship with him. So, I don't like saying this kind of stuff when I'm on camera. So maybe I should give him a call after this to be perfectly honest with you. But like you you got to stay away from stuff like
29:49that, especially if you're calling yourself a journalist.
29:53Journalists don't brief the White House.
30:00That is what it is. So I I'll leave that there. I I really try to stay away from that stuff. That one just like I was literally again I'm on one today, but I was like walking around going, "What the fuck?" Like, why are we taking pictures with Howard Lutick? Howard Lutnick, again, I repeat this for the fifth time in this episode, still has a job in the White House. Still poses that [ __ ] whatever this [ __ ] thing is that he does with people coming to the White House like nothing happened, nothing uncoured.
30:34[ __ ] you, Howard. [laughter] You [ __ ] [ __ ] you.
30:37>> Yeah, [ __ ] you, Howard.
30:39>> That That guy sucks.
30:41absolutely [ __ ] sucks.
30:44>> He was the start of this whole Odyssey for good reason. He >> really was.
30:47>> He He was He was >> He really was old Howie.
30:51>> We'll come back to the kidnapping thing cuz I want to >> That doesn't involve Howard to be clear.
30:58I I I want to look at that more. And also Jared Kushner we've been doing some work on, but I want to come back to that as well because there's a couple more things I want to look at there. So, we will do that >> in a future episode. But this Vance and Epstein thing with the Pope, you know, it always comes back to the Antichrist, >> doesn't it?
31:17>> It always comes back to that, >> doesn't it?
31:19>> I'm not even religious, but like they they [ __ ] love this Antichrist thing. And you know what? I don't care what religion you adhere to or don't adhere to. The Antichrist is bad.
31:32>> He's bad. Okay.
31:33>> Yeah. No, he's real bad.
31:34>> He's real bad.
31:35>> Real bad.
31:36>> Let's play this video. Who is this? This is Adam Mockler. on Twitter breaking some of this down, >> but I I want to play it's like the first minute or two of this. There's more after it, so people can check out the full 10-minute video, but this kind of my ear perked up when I heard this.
31:54>> All right, everybody. Every single day, we get more and more proof that Vice President JD Vance's entire political career has been a SCOP on the American people. A SCOP is a psychological operation oftentimes referred to in the context of the CIA or Russian SCOPs or Chinese or Iranian SCOPS. All countries tried to enact these, but in this case, the SCOP is being perpetrated by Peter Teal, a Silicon Valley billionaire who is basically the Antichrist himself.
32:24There have been leaked audio recordings passed around over the past few weeks of Peter Teal telling a college class during a closedoff lecture that he's been advising Vice President JD Vance to ignore Pope Leo on moral issues, including the development of ethical AI.
32:43He also [snorts] suggested the American Pope was a tool of the Antichrist. I want to dig into this full story. Credit of the story goes to The Letters from Leo is a publication that I'll link below. And I found this to be incredibly interesting. I wasn't going to cover it until I got this new story that popped up in my feed as well. We then got more emails showing Peter Teal and Jeffrey Epstein's relationship being much closer than previous.
33:09>> If you want to see the full details, you can check out this video from Adam Mockler. I'm saying that right. Right, Dave? That's that's so shout out to Adam for for digging through this. But imagine that.
33:23Imagine being a reclusive tech gazillionaire >> lizard.
33:33>> Literal lizard. If the anagram of Peter Teal, if you put together the letters, is the reptile. I don't know. You know, fun fact. [laughter] >> Yeah, >> fun fact.
33:43>> Just rearrange them. It means it says the reptile.
33:46>> He looks like he sheds his skin. Hey, pure spec probably probably means nothing.
33:50>> Yeah, >> right.
33:51>> Just a kinky day.
33:52>> Probably means nothing. He looks like he needs to shed some skin. But, you know, never mind the fact the guy's running around the world voluntarily giving lectures on the Antichrist cuz we all need that from a tech gazillionaire. But now he's accusing the pope. Again, again, when you have me like outwardly defending the Catholic Church, cuz I don't I'm I'm not a big institutions guy in that way. And obviously the Catholic Church has had a lot of [ __ ] problems to to say the least. When you have me outwardly defending them, you got to check yourself, my [snorts] friend. So, Peter Teal in the midst of
34:32his giant projection talks of the Antichrist accusing the Pope who according to one of, you know, I'm just picking up what he's putting down there, Joseph. Philippus, but like >> do it. He's calling him the antichrist because [laughter] the guy is questioning things about artificial intelligence taking over all of us and I don't know questioning things like why the [ __ ] we're bombing the [ __ ] out of Iran and why the [ __ ] companies like Palunteer are profiting off of war.
34:59Palanteer being a company funded by Inqutel, funded by the CIA because Inqutel is part of the CIA that Peter Teal and Alex Karp founded and along with other people and run that is being used as a [ __ ] Trojan horse to spy on all Americans and is literally named after the Palanteer thing in Lord of the Rings where Sauron or whatever the [ __ ] his name was, the long-haired [ __ ] guy with the gray whatever could see the whole world in it and like try to take the whole thing over. Like they're telling you, they're projecting everything it is. And he's got his [ __ ] mouth in the ear of the vice president of the United States who he
35:35personally funded his career after >> after I'll give him this. After one, Lesie Wexner started off kicked off JD Vance's career with a little dinner in 2017.
35:47In his defense, apparently you do have to kiss the ring of Wexner in Ohio.
35:52I don't know how much defense that is, though. Joey Def. That said, Peter Teal has basically funded him since then and probably, you know, slid him in there as the VP candidate with Donald Trump. I don't know. Pure spec right there.
36:06>> When you have that guy whispering in that ear all these things like he's another guy in the Lord of the Rings.
36:12Who's the dude whispering to the half dead guy in Lord of the Rings? He's like, "You can't do it. You must listen to me and carry out the prophecy."
36:21>> Yeah. Yeah. I remember like the little weird gothic Yeah, the little [ __ ] lizard looking creature. Actually [ __ ] >> you know, you basically have Peter Teal doing that and trying to convince JD Vance that all the things that he in fact may be >> the Pope is the Pope who doesn't want war. The Pope who doesn't want [ __ ] people being bombed for no reason. The Pope who doesn't want genocide. and the pope who's concerned about an artificial intelligence overlord. You know, I think the Pope's cooking on those issues.
36:55>> Yeah, I think that's pretty fair.
36:57>> I feel like if you're out there and you're left, you're right, you're in the middle, or you don't give a [ __ ] we can all agree on that.
37:05>> Well, and that's that's the way of the religion, too.
37:09>> That is the very Catholic to track down and murder people.
37:14>> I according to the letter [laughter] of the law of what they came up with at the [ __ ] councils and [ __ ] Yeah.
37:20>> Yeah.
37:20>> It's not really like Jesus like, you know.
37:22>> No. Yeah.
37:25>> Yeah. Or compiling a database of everybody's info.
37:28>> Yeah. Not great.
37:29>> That doesn't I don't Doesn't seem >> very feisty.
37:32>> Yeah.
37:33>> Yeah. We'll talk about that one of these weeks. We'll get to it. We'll get to it.
37:37>> Still working.
37:37>> This That's what Peter Teal looks like.
37:39That's what I was >> That is Oh my god. Wait. No. But that is Peter Teal.
37:42>> That's him right there.
37:43>> You found him?
37:44>> Yeah. This >> No, no, no. I think it's the one the one to the left of that. No. No, no. Down, down, over. Right, right. That one.
37:53Tell me those aren't the same eyes.
37:55>> How Peter Teal looks at you if you think after you ask him if humanity should go on, >> right? Yeah. Well, um, >> he just looks at you like that.
38:05>> I That's a long pause, Peter Teal, cuz he doesn't want it to go on. [laughter] >> Again, listen to people when they tell you who they are.
38:14>> It was It was Griema, by the way, from Lord of the Rings.
38:17>> Griema. Griema. That's the name of the guy whispering in the ears.
38:20>> Yeah.
38:22>> So, there was there was an election that occurred over the past week. You heard me talk about it in the buildup to it last weekend in Kentucky. What is it?
38:35District 4 with we can check that. But seventerm representative Thomas Massie from the Republican party was running in a primary against another Republican named Edgal Rain who for my money has Kenneth Copen demonized but that's neither here nor there. That said this was very significant because Thomas Massie he's a little different as a Republican. and he's a libertarian and you know there's some libertarian worldviews that I think are really well-intentioned and I just disagree with because I don't think they work and then there's some other things I'm like oh that's interesting because it's like
39:14kind of neither liberal nor conservative. It's like just make your own choice and I and you know it's just interesting that a guy was able to slide in there for seven terms openly as like a libertarian and do it under one of the two parties. Fascinating to me. But Thomas Massie, at least until this past year, had voted with Republicans around 91% of the time.
39:39And the 9% he didn't involved when Republicans wanted to increase the national debt, which stands at about 40 mil $40 trillion, when they wanted to start more foreign wars and fund them, regardless of what country it was, and when they wanted to cover up for billionaire donor pedophiles. feel like once again those are three things people left and right can agree on. As I said last week, I still couldn't even tell you a lot of the other positions of Thomas Massie. I could probably guess a lot of them because he's like a really pure libertarian. That said, can't say I've sat here and like reviewed all his
40:11votes on [ __ ] But on those three issues, he's been really good. and along with Ro Connor who's on the left side of the aisle, the two of them have been the very rare politicians that I actually have some decent things to say about because they have stood on business as Tommy G would say, >> right? They have gone out of their way to say, you know what, we feel like there's something here with the Epstein thing. I don't know. They had a hunch like every other [ __ ] person out there has looked at this and they actually put their asses on the line against the donor class who wanted to cover this whole thing up and have
40:45helped get some transparency on this.
40:49And as a result, Donald Trump, who's the same guy who gave a fullthroated, pun intended, endorsement of Thomas Massie in 2022 when he was running rer runninging for office, is now calling Thomas Massie the worst congressman of all time. His words, not mine.
41:06Forget the fact that Thomas Massiey's voted with him on a lot of things.
41:09Forget the fact that Thomas Massie is a part of his own party. Forget the fact that Donald Trump hates a lot of people who are very like left on the total opposite end of him and how ridiculous a statement like that is.
41:20Donald Trump is saying that because Thomas Massie has voted against bills that included all kinds of built-in [ __ ] that I would call poison pills. that happens far too often in Washington DC that then cost Donald Trump political victories. The one that he always harps on is the big beautiful bill. And off the top of my head, I can't remember what the specific thing in there, the reason Thomas Massie voted against it, but I want to say it had something to do with funding something crazy overseas.
41:49Def will find it. Either way, it was something that like you and me at home finding out the poison pill that's in there that Thomas Massie found and therefore voted against it, we'd sit there and go, "Yeah, we want you to vote against that, too." Cuz it's a common sense type of thing. And now bring the bill when it doesn't have that in there.
42:08But that's what they do in Washington DC.
42:11They make a bill that's this thick. They present it to you three hours before you have to vote on it. You can't possibly read all of it. The bill is called some, to quote Edward Snowden, it's called Save the Puppies Act, something that people can't disagree with, right? Big beautiful bill, amazing name, right? And then maybe there's the topline things that you're like, ooh, for whatever your party is, left or right, you're like, that's aligned with our values. And then you look farther down the balance sheet and you find all this [ __ ] Sorry, we lost the audio there for a second. But then when you're going down the balance
42:43sheet, you find all this [ __ ] and it's like, "Hey, why why are we sending $14 billion to [ __ ] you know, the the the Democratic Republic of Congo next month? I'm just making [ __ ] up right now." And you may want to vote against the bill for that. So Thomas Massie would do this. And apparently that was politically a no no. So, Donald Trump lined up to put a candidate against him.
43:09Ed Gol Reign, who you know, apparently was a Navy Seal, claims to be a Kentucky farmer. I have no reason to not believe those things. But Ed Gra, who largely hid from the campaign trail, refused to debate Thomas Massie. And again, Thomas Massie had never even he had basically gone unchallenged in primaries. And I believe when he was challenged, he would win like 80% of the vote in the past. and he would then kill in the overall vote when it would be him versus a Democrat or something like that. Like he's been repeatedly elected and has held up as far as I can tell whatever promises he has made to from
43:48like a legislative perspective to his constituents.
43:52When they put Edgar Rain in there though, super PAC money came in like crazy. And the super PAC money came from Mary [clears throat] Matt who was seated right behind Barack Obama and the other living presidents on the deis for Donald Trump swearing in in 2015 or 2025 and who in May 2024 gave Donald Trump like 200 [ __ ] million dollars >> and who was an Israeli American emphasis on Israeli. This is a woman who was born in Palestine before it was even Israel, whose husband was Sheldon add once said his great regret is that he served in the American army and not in the IDF despite the fact that he was born here in America and was
44:34a major political donor for his entire life. He died a few years ago and she has taken up the mantle. And so she's sending in all this money against Thomas Massie to run all these ads saying what a traitor he is. All these different things along with Henry Singer and John Pollson who I believe it was John Paulson is named in the Epstein files, other billionaires as well who are very pro-Zionist people.
44:57And they spent all this money in what is now the most expensive House race in the history of the country in a [ __ ] closed primary. Not even a general election to create misinformation and get people to come out and vote against Thomas Massie, which they did.
45:12He lost the election. Now, I don't endorse any political candidates. I did not endorse Massie ahead of this, but I did call out the money going into this race and what it was doing. And so I think what needs to be said out front is that this being a closed primary, what that means is that you can only vote if you are a registered Republican >> and it's also it's a non-presidential election to begin with. So voter turnout's already way lower. It's a non-midterm election on top of that. So it's lower even still. And then it's not even a general election. It's like a [ __ ] primary springtime election for
45:49just one party. So this is the lowest kind of turnout vote that there is. And the people who largely vote in something like this are boomers. And we don't have to pull up the polling right now, but basically Thomas Massie owned people below 55 who actually have an internet connection and can go find information for themselves. Above 55, he got shellacked >> because he wasn't allowed to. There was a there was a call against him going on Fox News for 18 months. So none of the [ __ ] boomers at home ever heard him talk and all they ever saw were the ads put out by super PACs related to Mary Madison, Paul Singer, and John Pollson.
46:27And so there one of the influencers who was there like campaigning for Massie was this guy Zack Loft who does a lot of content on Instagram, >> really good talker. And he had a great review of this where he said, "This election was rigged, but it wasn't rigged." And I really appreciated it because there were a lot of people immediately saying, "Oh my god, they probably rigged the actual votes against him, you know, and just ran to that without any real evidence." And instead, what Zach did from the ground where he saw things is he said it was rigged because of the money put against him and the lies. He said, sadly, when he was
47:05doing exit polling at the stations, he was polling boomer after boomer who would either say one of two things to him. They were either anti-Massie because of the ads they saw or they were just listening to whatever Donald Trump said because they still follow him to the [ __ ] gates of hell because that's the information they're fed on Fox [ __ ] news every night. And and he and he Zach seemed to have empathy for that cuz he's like they're just getting bad information and that's what they're voting on. But he's like that's why he lost. He lost because that's who's voting.
47:36But how ridiculous is it that we live in a system where someone can be removed from office for daring to have opinions to stand up for victims and daring to vote against aid for another country. I did not see Thomas Massie absolutely killed for not voting for aid to Ukraine over the years, >> but now he votes against aid to Israel.
48:00And that's where they come in.
48:05And can you pull up Apac's Twitter account? Because again, we're just going to read what they say.
48:15There's no We are We are reading what they say. Last I checked, that's not anti-Semitic to do. Every one of my Jewish friends will vouch for that. But Ed Grain, this is from Apac's Twitter account, Ed Grain's victory in Kentucky and Klay Fuller's win in Georgia ensures two outspoken pro-Israel voices are are positioned to fill seats previously held by outspoken detractors Thomas Massie and Marjgery Taylor Green, who had stepped down from her seat previously.
48:41Our community was proud to help pro-Israel candidates win these races.
48:48Again, unpopular take. This actually isn't Apex's fault. It's not. It's our fault.
48:57I mean, I think this is disgusting and I I have nothing but disdain for that organization, but they're legally allowed to do this.
49:07They've always been legally allowed to do this. We let them do it. They're not registered under FAR like every other country.
49:15We got to look in the mirror. This can't keep happening.
49:20When's Roan's next election? Can we look that up? January. Y >> let's see what happens there.
49:25>> Yeah, [snorts] >> let's see what happens there.
49:28>> Yeah, I said that already.
49:29>> I got my eyes on that.
49:30>> Yeah, >> but this should not be allowed. And it seems like the people who dain to suggest that we need to stop taking advice from Israel so commonly. they they tend to get run out of their offices and that's not okay.
49:54So I I found that extremely disappointing. And you know what else I found disappointing?
50:00More silence from Elon Musk.
50:03Elon Musk, there was a tweet in May 2025. It might have been from in response to Thomas Massiey's account or it was someone replied.
50:15>> Someone replied.
50:16>> Okay. Someone replied specifically saying, "Hey Elon, the weight of the machine is coming down against Thomas Massie.
50:24Can you please stick your name in the hat to support him?"
50:28>> I never even saw this one either >> when it comes.
50:32Oh yeah. What date is this?
50:34>> That's June 30th, 2025.
50:37>> Okay, so this is this is even more blatant. This is Elon Musk quote tweeting Bryce Lipcom. Good fine beef saying I donated again to atrep Thomas Massiey's re-election campaign. Who's next? And Elon Musk subtweets me.
50:53>> And then here's that other one you >> and the other one is that we have it on the screen. This is what I referred to.
50:59So it says he said I will in reply to someone saying world's richest man or or please support rep. Thomas Massie. the establishment is working to primary him because he's a genuine fiscal conservative and opposes the big bloated scam. Elon Musk replies, I will.
51:18[snorts] This is also a guy who's had nothing to say about Iran. And listen, I have I I've always said this. In fact, I think I said this, Steve, in one of the podcasts we did back in the day, 103 or 132, >> probably.
51:34>> I think it was 132. when he took over Twitter. Yeah.
51:36>> When he took over Twitter, I said, >> and I had said it in previous podcast before that, but you and I recorded that December 2022.
51:43>> Came out New Year's Eve that year.
51:45>> I said, "I am a fan of Elon Musk, but I am not a fanboy."
51:48>> Yeah, I remember.
51:49>> I don't sit here and [ __ ] gulp down every [ __ ] thing anyone says. I judge things on each thing that's said. And also, people don't need to be perfect.
51:59They can do things I disagree with. I'm going to do things they disagree with.
52:03That's called being a human. But when you see patterns form and you see silence on key issues, yeah, I think that's problematic. I appreciate Elon Musk for purchasing X and helping change some wins on social media, for sure. He should be commended for that as far as all the details we can see publicly from what happened there. But when you see him make promises and speak very publicly like that and then not actually do anything about it when push comes to shove. When you see him complain incessantly and righteously so by the way in many cases about the funding to Ukraine over and over again but then
52:38shut up when it comes to Iran.
52:42You got to ask some questions there.
52:44>> Government contracts brother.
52:49>> I don't know I don't know if that's boot if you disagree.
52:52>> Yeah. Yes. You know, you're you're absolutely right. I don't know if that's all of it, though, cuz he had government contracts when he tweeted those other things, too.
52:59>> Yeah. But now it's >> now he has more, but he had a lot his business was still literally I I don't want to say completely, but heavily dependent on government contracts when he dained to say these other things, including a lot of things when [ __ ] Biden was in charge >> for sure, >> who iced him out from everything. I just think with X AI being one of those three m one of the three main companies that's going to drive like the country's AI innovation, it's what's he going to do? Hands are tied. Lame.
53:30Lame. Shady.
53:32It's not great. Now he he has one of his many baby mamas running around and spilling tea while she's doing makeup on TikTok every other day. Now, this girl Ashley St. Clair. So, El, you know, Elon likes life.
53:49He has uh spread his seed among many women and he's been very open about that. Not sure how I feel about all that to be honest with you, but you [snorts] know, that's that's his business in a way. One of those women was Ashley Stlair, who was like previously a like MAGA conservative influencer. And I don't know Ashley at all. I've always found her to be a little bit like flaky. You know, what that doesn't mean is that every single thing out of her mouth isn't true. There's certainly some weird setup seems to have with the women he chooses to procreate with with, but she's been running around exposing,
54:31and I'll use air quotes there because I don't know what's true and what's not, but exposing a lot of different things about like the influencer campaigns behind the scenes and what Elon's like.
54:42And my guess again is that, you know, maybe 25% of it is is true. I don't know which 25% but based on the gravity of things she's saying that's a that's a big [ __ ] 25%.
54:56What one of the things she said this week, thief, was that the first time she [ __ ] Elon, he like rolled over and he said, "Pick a name."
55:06[laughter] >> Dude, I I almost can't even believe it.
55:12>> Which is like that's a [ __ ] crazy thing to say. [snorts] >> Just built like a refrigerator just busted. Just met this girl like the week before. He's like, "Pick a name." like he yo he was that confident his swimmers were set.
55:29That's that's kind of I mean he's he was over 50 when he did this and he literally like you know did the deed and he was like pick a name and then she was pregnant.
55:40She did have Elon Musk kid and there's been a lot of legal arguments about that that she's had with him as a result. But another thing she [laughter] >> I just I was looking at pictures of Baron Harkinin cuz that's all I could imagine is just like a giantized refrigerator on top of you and he's just like pick a name.
55:59>> Oh, that's kind of mean. He ain't like that.
56:02>> Nah, dude. I just think of those pictures of him on that yacht and he just he literally looks like a refrigerator. Someone like put it's crazy.
56:10>> Yeah. Big barrel chest.
56:12>> You can't bounce back from that. But another thing that she claimed, [laughter] >> I mean, maybe with GLP ones you can.
56:20>> I would say you can't make this [ __ ] up, but you can. I I I got to put that disclaimer. It's just pure spec from Ashley Stlair here, I guess. I mean, she's not saying it is pure spec, but we're repeating it as pure spec.
56:33>> Yeah. Everything we do.
56:34>> She claimed that Elon wanted to spawn a legion of children for the incoming American Civil War.
56:44I you know I buy it.
56:46>> You buy it?
56:47>> Yeah, I do [ __ ] buy it.
56:50>> Do you think he's good with his hands though? He got beat up by Scott Bent.
56:53How are they going to fight in a [ __ ] war?
56:55>> These weird [ __ ] nerds treat the world like a video game.
57:00>> Yeah, he I [ __ ] do buy that. Listen, every community of people has people within it that have like these weird higher standards of, in this case, sex.
57:12Maybe a real real real real low community. It's like, well, yeah, I just aim for the one that doesn't have uh sexually transmitted disease. But when you get all the way to these top communities where these people are at, their standard standards are like, "Yeah, no, I need a good specimen that can spawn my seed to help breed the, you know, continuation of the human race." I do [ __ ] buy it 100 [ __ ] percent.
57:37Totally. Totally. Could not.
57:39>> Oh, I could totally see a scenario where this is true. I just >> Yeah, >> I have to put a disclaimer on it because she's a spurned woman.
57:47>> Oh, yeah. And she's a little there were when this story was even first coming out and hey maybe she's 100% right.
57:55Maybe when it was first coming out there were a lot of other people like I'm talking last year or two years ago when when she was first like turning on him there were a lot of people who were like she's kind of crazy who knew her previously. Yeah.
58:09>> Doesn't mean that they're not lying about her and it's not a coordinated campaign. I got to say that. I'm just reporting all the facts. You guys decide for yourself. But yes, to your point, do I know that there are people in the [ __ ] Silicon Valley technocratic elite who think thoughts like that?
58:25>> Yeah.
58:26>> Yeah. Yeah. I I Yeah, they do.
58:29>> And I'll throw it at her, too. Like, if you're like a former female MAGA influencer, like you're probably too like, you know, that's both, >> right?
58:38>> So, they both lose, >> right? For sure. But, you know, Elon Musk is also in the news this week and it feels actually pretty quiet. It feels pretty like you don't walk out on the street and hear a lot of people talking about this, but he's in the news because within the next month, at some point, SpaceX, one of his companies, is going to go public. Now, I have just looked at this deal, Joseph Def. Philippus, but we have as I'm trying to get like the specs on it, no pun intended, of like what their what the estimates are and everything, but they are, as far as I can tell, they expect shares will end up pricing
59:20between $750 or $1,500 per share. And what is it? Elon Musk is going to own 42%. Is that right? Can we Google that to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass? How much of the SpaceX IPO will Elon Musk own? Oh, and there's a lot more here after this.
59:41>> Um, yeah, it would be a He holds approximately 42% of the preipo.
59:46>> 42%. And I'm going to put a pin in something and come back to what that means from a monetary perspective for a second.
59:53>> What's interesting?
59:54>> What's interesting? But his voting control will be between 79% and 85% due to a dual class share structure with a super voting class, >> right? Meaning so when it goes public, he retains like the power of what he can do with the company. But like I'm I'm just looking 100%. I'm just looking at the money like what he has. So if he has a 42% equity >> holding, it's expected to remain largely go back to that. is expectedly to remain largely unchanged regarding overall company ownership.
60:27And then as you correctly point out, the voting power effectively stays between 79 and 85% of the vote. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below.
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