0:01What's a few million to him to get the Kennedys out of the way? And then he knows too who he's working with and he knows the the investigation ain't going nowhere. You're in bed with the CIA and the FBI. How far is the investigation going to go? He knows he's in the clear.
0:16>> Yeah. Now, do you think that the mob in this case, let's just call it let's let's put the mob and and Cuban exiles in the same boat just for a second and not worry about the semantics of who officially ended up on the ground, whether it's both or all that.
0:32>> [gasps] >> Let's just say they're both brought in to this discussion with CIA.
0:40I would think that they're going to be left in the dark on pretty much everything other than where their expertise is going to be brought in, which is maybe actually whacking the guy or say whacking Oswald afterwards. And the government is going to say, "Look, we're already making a deal with you. We're giving you something you want. You're giving us something we want to us."
1:02>> [sighs] >> But all the details of how this is going to go down beforehand and more importantly afterwards, you guys don't know [ __ ] about that.
1:11>> Yeah, so this is this is how I did a major heist back then back in my back in the day.
1:16>> When during your >> During my time.
1:17>> your rogue days.
1:18>> During my rogue days, I was known I was known for doing heist. That was my thing. And I was investigated and investigated for and put away by the FBI. That was my thing.
1:29If I did a major heist, I would try my best to disassociate pieces. So, for example, let's say I need two stolen cars. I would ask Alessi who doesn't know you really. Alessi's from Brooklyn, you're from the Bronx maybe.
1:42I would ask him, "Do me a favor, get me two cars. I need them."
1:46He don't ask questions. He gets me the two cars. Put them on the side.
1:50I'd ask you, "Do me a favor. You you got an apartment I could borrow? Maybe I got to bring somebody there for like two hours while I get to the safe.
1:58>> Right.
1:58>> Right. You do me a favor again.
1:59>> Compartmentalization.
2:00>> I do that with everybody I could at all times. So, when the FBI finally got me for the big stuff, they could never get me. I I did all of these things. I separated. So, you get one stool pigeon, he's going to go, "I got the cause." For what? I don't know.
2:15>> [laughter] >> I mean, seriously. So, you know, there there was like there was like elements where I only knew how it all worked. So, take that now. I'm a bird brain on the streets of New York pulling heists. A naive kid ignorant in every which way, but smart enough to pull off the heist in in all fairness, but still a bird brain in many ways. I was immature. I was doing bad things. Now, take that to another level.
2:41You have brilliant guys who are masters of intrigue like David Ferrie is called the master [clears throat] of intrigue.
2:46And he knows how to put the pieces together. And he's doing that on a high level. I'm playing checkers, he's playing chess.
2:53And and he's doing that with all of these different conspirators, maybe. And let me tell you something. When Garrison finally went after Ferrie, the day they told Ferrie they revealed him as chief suspect in the new Garrison investigation when Garrison reopened, Garrison went home just to give you a snapshot. Garrison went home and he read he read the multi-volume 26 or 28 volumes of the Warren Commission report, 888-page final report, and he says, "This is a bunch of bullshit."
3:24>> And he was the DA in New Orleans, right?
3:26>> In New Orleans, right. That's right. And he goes, "You know what?
3:31I'm going to open up a case." So, he goes after Ferrie, and he never goes near Marcello, though. And a lot of people ask smart questions like G.
3:37Robert Blakey, who who we mentioned for the RICO. G. Robert Blakey goes, "Gee, it's real curious how Jim Garrison could go after Ferrie with such like, you know, this like crusading spirit, but tiptoe around Marcello."
3:49>> Right.
3:50>> And literally like they're in bed with each other leading up to the assassination. And after the assassination, Marcello he's no longer needed in court cuz Marcello's acquitted the day of the daily plaza hit.
4:02The day of.
4:03>> Oh, he's acquitted?
4:04>> Oh, man. This is a big part.
4:06>> Yeah, fill me in.
4:08>> is in court for the >> Cuz there there's a famous story of Trafficante Marcello with another contacts, but please fill this.
4:14>> This is great. Marcello's in court.
4:17Sorry, Marcello's in court. And he's He's sitting there waiting for the the jury to come back on his case that Bobby Kennedy instigated.
4:27>> The deportation case.
4:28>> No, re-entry. Illegal re-entry. Which stemmed from You're right.
4:31>> Which would then involve having been deported.
4:33>> Correct. Correct. So now Bobby Bobby is at a a big organized crime meeting in Washington that he's he's chairing. And he's the HA. So he's got like prosecutors from around the country. And he's going through this whole thing of how he's going to target the mob.
4:49And John F. Kennedy's second term, we're going even we're going to step it up even way more than we did this time.
4:55We're going to destroy them and dismantle them piece by piece till there's nothing left.
4:59That's Bobby's agenda. He's in Washington doing that.
5:04Carlos Marcello's in Louisiana on trial.
5:07The jury goes out for the really illegal re-entry {slash} deportation case. If he loses, he goes to jail and then gets deported.
5:13>> Mhm.
5:14>> So he he's got everything on the line.
5:17Everything on the line. Who's in court with him?
5:20David Ferrie.
5:21Oh, it gets better.
5:22>> On the 22nd.
5:23>> Oh, it gets better.
5:25Gets better.
5:26As they're waiting for the verdict, they're waiting for the jury foreman to come back with the verdict.
5:34The bailiff walks in.
5:36And the bailiff walks up to the judge and hands the judge a piece of paper.
5:39The judge looks down. And then all of a sudden a look of shock >> Yeah.
5:44>> goes across the judge's face.
5:47And he says, "I have very bad news." He says, "The president's been shot in Dallas."
5:51And the whole courtroom gasps except Marcelo and his brother who was on trial with him cuz they tried to loop the brother in, Bobby did.
5:59They're stone-faced.
6:01Now, there's no record I said of Ferrie's expression, but he was in court, too.
6:05But we don't have Ferrie's expression.
6:07>> we have a record of Marcelo's expression without cameras if they >> John H. Davis reported spoke to witnesses in the courtroom who reported Marcelo's expression.
6:17>> When did they report that?
6:18>> Uh after the fact, um uh gosh.
6:23>> Cuz that could change. You could be people trying to put it together like that.
6:26>> But what whatever his expression was, it happened, right? So let let's just move that Ferrie's in the courtroom with him, though. That's a given.
6:33Now, he's acquitted.
6:35And we they just get word I'm sorry, they just get word as he's waiting to be acquitted. Then he's acquitted. Then the jury comes back. Later comes out he bought a juror.
6:44He's acquitted. He leaves the court and his family wants to celebrate.
6:48And they said he's got something heavy on his mind.
6:52And Ferrie him and Ferrie talk and then Ferrie takes off to Texas through a midnight storm.
6:59He He flies to Texas.
7:00>> He flies to the scene of the crime?
7:02>> No, not flies in a plane. I mean flies in a vehicle.
7:04>> I know. He goes to the scene of the crime?
7:06>> to Houston to the Alamo Hotel which is owned by Marcelo and he calls Marcelo collect when he gets there. Why did Marcelo have a look of consternation on his face and why did Ferrie fly in a panic? They just got word that someone was picked up by the police.
7:23Lee Harvey Oswald.
7:25When they find out Oswald was picked up by the police >> And who's Oswald to them at that time?
7:30>> Oswald was not only There was a guy Dutz Murret who was a bookmaker in Marcel Marcelo's Borgata.
7:38Dutz Murret was the uncle of Lee Harvey Oswald who pretty much took Oswald in throughout his life anytime Oswald had nowhere to go.
7:46So, that's Dutch Morat. He's a bookmaker for Marcello. He's seen in the company Oswald with other people from the Marcello Borgata.
7:54But, he may have just been running numbers for for Dutch Dutch Morat. Okay, maybe.
7:59He's also seen with Ferry in Guy Banister's office, who's a retired ex-FBI agent.
8:05And he's also seen with Ferry There's a pic He's also seen with Ferry in training camps that Marcello funds and underwrites.
8:13And he's also Everybody denies it for dec- for years. They said, "Oh, he didn't know There's no proof that Ferry knew Oswald. That's a lie. It's a lie."
8:24People said they saw him together, but they didn't. Then all of a sudden a little photograph little photograph surfaced of Oswald and Ferry in the same photo together when they did the Civil Air Patrol together.
8:36So, now it's proven that they at least knew each other then. And we we could assume that the witnesses aren't lying when they say they knew each other now.
8:43Then other witnesses says they were seen together in Jack Ruby's topless bar.
8:47And Lee Harvey Oswald was introduced as Lee from the CIA to somebody else.
8:52So, now there's a lot of evidence that he's connected. Ferry There's a look of consternation on Marcello's face cuz he knows that Ferry's def- connected to Oswald and maybe could be connected to him through Dutch Morat, who knows.
9:06And Ferry's in in a complete panic. And he drives through the night. I say flies meaning speeding there. He drives through the night through a thunderstorm, lands in Houston, and he goes to this roller rink, and he he uses the public phone all day and night there the next day. And he's getting receiving and sending calls out.
9:25Well, at some point or another this guy Jack Martin has a beef with And this is in that film, too, the JFK film. He has a beef with Guy Banister. They're arguing, and he says, "What are you going to do? Kill me like you guys just killed Kennedy?"
9:39Martin takes out a .357. I'm sorry. Guy Banister takes out a .357 and pistol whips Martin into a bloody pulp.
9:46>> Yeah.
9:47>> Martin goes to the hospital and tells the FBI, the prosecutor >> in the movie JFK. I remember that.
9:52>> He says, "Look, they just killed I think they killed Kennedy and Ferrie is always connected with Oswald. They're always together at Guy Banister's office." So, there's a direct connection now. So, Ferrie's making these phone calls when Ferrie now realizes he's wanted for questioning by Garrison.
10:07Garrison gets Ferrie back. Ferrie goes, "I was at the the roller rink talking to I mean talking to the owner about opening up a roller rink in Louisiana. And we just hung out there that day and I talked to him about business."
10:20So, he goes, "I don't believe this guy."
10:22Passes him off to the FBI and the Secret Service. They question him. They don't believe him. FBI goes to Chuck Rolland, who owned the rink, and they go, "Look, uh is this true?" He goes, "No, he's lying.
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11:10>> used my phone the whole day back and forth. He was just making and receiving phone calls. It was weird.
11:15So, so instead of investigating any further, Hoover tells his agents, "Don't worry about it. Don't follow up. Let him go. We cracked the case. It's Oswald, lone nut."
11:25>> Why did Hoover want it to just be Oswald?
11:28>> As we said, there's a lot of evidence that Hoover overlooked leading up to the assassination likely for want of it to happen. His life was on the line. His life is on If you tell a man, "I'm going to kill you." or if you tell a man who's been the head of the FBI for four decades, "I'm going to throw you out and leave you in shame and smear you as a homosexual in a society that has not yet come to terms with gay people." you're in trouble.
11:59And that's death to a man. That's worse than death. That's a fate worse than death to Hoover.
12:03>> So, he had he had serious skin in the game to say, "We got to let him go."
12:07>> Right. And during the Warren Commission, the Warren Commission gets a phone call from uh uh Texas and Waggoner Carr, I think it was Waggoner Carr, says to uh from Texas, he goes, "Look, I got some evidence here that it seems to be that we have evidence that Oswald is an informant for the FBI."
12:24So, the Warren Commission's now in a quandary. They go, "What do we do?
12:28If If Oswald works for the FBI, how are we going to explain this away?"
12:33So, what they did was they kind of like was crafty. They sent someone to talk and they found out it came from reporter. Someone from the Warren Commission went to Texas, found out it originated with a reporter, and then they went to the reporter, and then they wrote back to the Warren Commission and said, "We checked it out. It's just [ __ ] The reporter's, you know, shooting beans. Don't worry about it."
12:53Well, they said, "Well, now we still have to ask the FBI as if the FBI is going to go, 'Oh, yeah. Oswald, informant number 422. Wait.
13:00Yeah, okay.' So, Hoover goes, "Absolutely not. I spoke to everybody.
13:05There's no way this guy was an informant for us." So, that's another reason did not If Oswald was an informant for the FBI, which it seems he was and had an FBI number, and he we know he had contact with a number of FBI agents leading up to the investigation. Jim Hosty famously destroyed the the note, right?
13:24So, if that's the case, okay, number one is a lot of Americans are going to go the FBI knew about this guy and you missed him. And number two, what did he inform about? Did he mention anything about, "Hello, my friends are thinking about killing Kennedy?"
13:40>> Yeah.
13:41>> And was he Lee who called on Thomas Arthur Valley in Chicago?
13:46>> Could be.
13:47>> Could be. And maybe he stopped in Chicago and they dumped it on him.
13:51>> Very convenient that a guy named Lee called up though.
13:53>> Yeah. And why would he give the real name?
13:55>> Yeah. This is also interesting.
13:57You probably, I'm sure you know this, but cop runs into the school book depository. Oswald's on the second floor.
14:03>> Yeah.
14:04>> The book the the the the the the nest the guns nest is on the sixth.
14:08He's just drinking a Coke. It doesn't look like he's out of breath, nothing.
14:11They later tried to figure out could he have gotten up, you know, all those flights of stairs in that time? No, definitely not and especially not without huffing and puffing. The elevators were open on the fifth floor.
14:21He couldn't have taken the elevator. So, it's likely he didn't even fire a shot.
14:25Now, that said >> Oh, you think Oswald didn't even fire a shot?
14:29>> It's possible.
14:31I believe he was involved in the conspiracy in some degree. He was definitely involved with the conspirators.
14:37>> Yeah.
14:37>> He was close with Ferrie. He was close with Bannister.
14:40>> why would he be there at Dealey Plaza that day >> He's there.
14:43>> when he knew all these guys and had been involved with them and >> Yeah. He might have been He might have been keeping cheeky on the second floor.
14:50Maybe he was, you know, maybe he set up the the the the the corner for them to shoot. He might have had He had some involvement, but there's evidence that he never fired a shot. You know, the the prints there was none and there's some there's the residue then there's some there's none there's some.
15:06The photos that we can't find it then we find it the the the gun we can't find it then it's Ruth Paine's house. There's a lot of stuff that starts getting very very uh cloudy, but here's something else.
15:16So, leading up to the assassination, even Hoover felt this was weird.
15:20Somebody is pretending and now this is why, by the way, Ferry the master intriguer, this is important piece.
15:27Leading up to the assassination, Oswald or an impersonator is seen in Mexico City trying to get a Cuban visa. Yes.
15:36Okay, so there's some people swear it's Oswald, some people say it's an impersonator. Let's just think about what Hoover thinks.
15:43Hoover says, "My agents looked at the pictures and listened to the audio." The agents This is privately, Hoover says, this came out later.
15:50The agents looked at it and said, "That ain't Oswald."
15:53So, somebody's impersonating Oswald.
15:56Now, we even Hoover said long before the assassination when when Oswald first got back from when he defected to the Soviet Union, came back, and by the way was welcomed back if he was as if he was on like as if some kid said, "F you to his parents, I'm going hiking in the Alps and never want to see you again." And then decided his feet were hurting, "I'm going to call my parents and ask them to give me buy me a ticket and bring me home." And his parents forgave him and brought him home.
16:19>> That's how easy he came back.
16:21>> Yeah. The State Department paid for gave him money and brought him back.
16:24>> Yeah.
16:24>> So, he comes back and Hoover from that very beginning he said somebody was impersonating Oswald and it didn't look right to him. So, Hoover was onto something there with Oswald from the beginning. So, there's pieces where not everybody knows everything. So, Hoover knows what to ignore, but he may not know what the CIA is doing. And he may not know what the mob is doing other than what the threats are telling him on the eavesdropping devices.
16:48>> Mhm.
16:48>> So, you know, keep that in mind, too.
16:50There's moving parts and there's people in the conspiracy where, you know, if let's say Harrelson pops up as a shooter at some point, Harrelson may not tell you you know, he's not going to tell you that, "Oh, yeah, I talked to Hoover and Ferry and Marcelo."
17:03>> [laughter] >> He don't know, shoot the gun. You know what I'm saying? Like this is like Alessio got me the cars, you gave me the apartment. I'm going in with two other guys who don't know you got me the apartment and got me the cars. You know, so this this is how you compartmentalize, but something strange where So now, why would why would Oswald why would an impersonator wanted to look like Oswald was trying to get a visa for Cuba? Well, the plan was and it comes out later that Ferrie's plan was if we can make it look like Castro if Oswald was an agent of Castro and Castro has something to do with the
17:42assassination then we can the American public will demand an invasion of Cuba and Kennedy might effed up at the Bay of Pigs, he might have effed up at the missile crisis but we ain't going to mess up again. The American public's going to demand and I think my own theory that I write in the book there's a couple of possibilities.
18:02One is Oswald wasn't supposed to get picked up.
18:06And we are led to believe that he was interviewed for 12 hours, but there was no stenographer and there was no audio recordings.
18:13>> Uh so convenient.
18:15>> Exactly. And not only that one historian I he bent himself into a pretzel trying to explain this going, "Oh, why would they have an audio or stenographer when he just >> know cuz the guy just shot the [ __ ] president of the United States allegedly.
18:27>> and he claims he just shrugged a lot anyway.
18:29>> Yeah.
18:30>> Okay. Now, if he just shrugged a lot, you're going to tell me he shrugged for 12 hours and you just kept going?
18:34>> Mhm.
18:35>> That's number one and number two, aren't we still entitled to a record of the questions?
18:39Right? So, that's [ __ ] You know that. Give me a break. 12 hours. That's like when we were in jail once and the guy went down and he was like agents for like 6 hours and he came up and we no one wanted to talk to him again. And he go and he goes, "Yeah, I just went down.
18:53The agents wanted to talk to me. I told them to go [ __ ] themselves." My co-defendant goes, "It took you 6 hours to say that?"
18:58>> [laughter] >> Come on. So so that's like give me a break. So so that's another thing. So but but so now when Ruby gets picked up, listen to this. So they wanted to look like Oswald. I think Oswald was supposed to disappear.
19:13And we were supposed to think maybe that Castro that he got the visa and got to Cuba and Castro's hiding him. Then we demand him back and Castro goes, "I don't have him." And we go, "He's lying.
19:22He's holding him. Let's go." And we invade. That's a possibility. So, is this out of the wind I'm taking this?
19:27No. When Jack Ruby was pinched for shooting Oswald, if he did it spontaneously, now he's cooling down in the in the precinct and he should be rethinking what he just did cuz if Oswald dies at the hospital, he's got a murder rap and he's facing the electric chair in Texas where they fry people like we fry barbecued ribs.
19:49So, now he's going, "Okay, it's better to really just have attempted murder."
19:54Okay? So, Ruby's waiting to hear if Oswald died. And there's a reporter there who says when Ruby finds out Oswald dies, he's ecstatic. He's thrilled.
20:04And he should be the other way. He should be going, "Oh [ __ ] now I'm really in trouble."
20:08>> And what was the cuz he did it right in in the open in front of [ __ ] 100 people.
20:14>> He goes, "Now we'll invade Cuba."
20:17That's an awful >> still [ __ ] >> He's still [ __ ] but I'll tell you why he didn't care he was [ __ ] First, he goes, "Now we'll invade Cuba." An awful big geopolitical dedu- deducement deduction for a topless bar owner.
20:30Okay? A little a little off your your little above your pay grade. Now we'll invade Cuba. Okay, so why did he do it?
20:36You know you're getting caught, right?
20:39If he was supposed to get rid of Oswald or maybe J.D. Tippit was or the or the Dallas corrupt Dallas police who were with Ruby. Ruby had the whole department on on speed dial. He was corrupting them all.
20:50Ruby was going in and out of the precinct from the moment Oswald was picked up. Ruby's floating around that precinct.
20:57Seth Kantor, Vic Robertson, another reporter later later testified. But Seth Kantor said he was desperately trying to get near the interrogation room and he had a gun with him.
21:08And he's going he couldn't get near the interrogation room.
21:11He couldn't get a clean shot. He wanted one. Day one, the first night.
21:16Then they said they brought him downstairs to a basement thing.
21:19And he's he's looking and he And Seth Canter said, "If he wanted a shot at him, he had no business being there, by the way."
21:28>> Of course he didn't.
21:28>> You're owner of a topless bar.
21:30>> no sense.
21:31>> Exactly. Unless you have press credentials or police credentials, you're not supposed to be anywhere near the president's assassin.
21:37So that's like saying they just tried to kill Trump, and me and you just walk over to the precinct and just start walking around the precinct with the gun.
21:43>> guy who Right.
21:44>> Take a look around.
21:45>> Totally [ __ ] So now I think this is what happened.
21:49We're led to believe Oswald never said nothing but for 12 hours, like we just said. I think he said a lot more than we're led to believe, and I think the dick the Texas the Dallas police were telling Oswald, "He's talking."
22:02>> Ruby.
22:02>> I mean Ruby. Ruby. Telling Ruby, "He's talking more than he should be, and it's coming it might fall on you." Now Ruby's got Ruby's got a decision to make. If Oswald's talking, cuz he's been in there for 12 hours.
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22:21>> If Oswald's talking, would you rather be if you're Ruby and you conspired to kill the president with Oswald? You got two choices. You wait for the police to break down your door and bring you and put you away, or you clip Oswald and the American public cheers you as the savior of the nation, which they did. They clapped. When he shot Oswald in the basement, the fan the people outside were going crazy cheering and clapping. And I And Ruby said, "I ain't getting nothing more than a cakewalk. Maybe a couple years in jail. I'm a hero." He was looking to hire an agent to get him book deals and TV deals. He wants to hire an agent. A
22:56lawyer walked in at one point, and he goes, "Are you my agent?" And he goes, "No, I'm your lawyer." So, and I mean total [ __ ] And now the the guy who's real lawyer, Tom Howard >> even in Texas, they fry you like they fry barbecue chicken.
23:10>> Right, but not in the in the Okay, they just came out in droves. Even though there's some radicals that hated Kennedy, they came out in droves to cheer Kennedy. It was a huge response to him, the motorcade.
23:24Hundreds of thousands of people packed the motorcade route. They were cheering Ruby for shooting Oswald.
23:29>> I know, but I'm saying like you were still saying Texas doesn't give a [ __ ] They're still going to try him for murder.
23:33>> a shot, but he's dead either way. If Oswald's talking, he's dead either way.
23:37>> Right. So, he's saying [ __ ] it.
23:38>> Yeah.
23:39>> He forgot Now now before he does that, by the way, he's pacing in his apartment, he's throwing up, he's he's nauseous, he's he's a nervous wreck. He can't like he's like totally like deconstructing in in front of his roommates' eyes. And he's calling people like he's never going to see them again.
23:56Going, "Hey Jules, I haven't talked to you in years. I love you, brother.
23:59Always remember I love you." And you're like, "What the [ __ ] you call me for?"
24:02And he's going this and he's like acting like a man on death row. And then all of a sudden, once he shoots Oswald, he's like "Oh, I feel a lot better."
24:11And he's like feels like a new man. And he's like, "I'll beat this case." And literally, they did a poll and they said something like 77 people out of 100 thought that he shouldn't get much time if any at all in Texas cuz the they felt like the normal people, not the radicals who hated Kennedy, but normal people are being polled and they're going and those are jurors.
24:30>> Yeah.
24:31>> "You know what?"
24:32"He shot Kennedy's killer. He's a hero."
24:35And now he comes up with this thing who's he says "I shot Kennedy to to be um to to help so that Jacqueline wouldn't have to Jacqueline Kennedy, First Lady, wouldn't have to endure trial."
24:46And then later, he admits that that was a bunch of [ __ ] to somebody else and says my first lawyer, Tom Howard, told me to say that. The other thing is is he's flat broke.
24:54And this mob lawyer, who does celebrities, too, Melvin Belli, swoops into to represent him and apparently he was given a million dollars to do it and he said, "Oh, I did >> Who gave him the money?
25:07>> He Well, this guy Sy Ellison said that he got a phone call and he said, uh "Look, if if if Belli'll take the case, there's a million dollars in it." And uh Sy said, "Hey, this it's our boys are calling our friends." Meaning the mob. "They're offering a million dollars to to pick up the thing for the president's assassin in the case, the the Oswald's assassin, Ruby. If you pick up the case" and he took it. But apparently then later Belli didn't say he got a million dollars in cash. He claimed that, "Well, I did it pro bono, get a book deal later." He's got to say that. William Kunstler, when William Kunstler used to sweat
25:44everybody, he does cases for free.
25:46William Kunstler took a hundred thousand from me on the first day.
25:49>> [laughter] >> In [ __ ] cash! In cash! He took a hundred grand from me in cash! And then and then tried to claim that he was representing me like out of like the goodness of his heart.
26:00>> Uh-huh.
26:01>> And it later came out in a bi >> Well, there is goodness of his heart when there's some cash involved.
26:05>> Somebody wrote a biography about Kunstler years later and they listed the the truth that Ferraro paid Kunstler [clears throat] a hundred grand along with other he said they said he represented other mobsters he always claimed he did for free, but he didn't.
26:16I think Belli did the same thing for Ruby.
26:18>> Got it.
26:19>> Yeah, I think so. So, that was the goal Berry's goal was to get rid of Castro and Kennedy in one shot.
26:30And we stopped Cuba and we stopped the domino effect, which meant that the the the the proliferation of communist ideology throughout Latin America, which is what they desperately wanted to stop.
26:42>> All right. Real quick, I just got to go to bathroom, but we'll be right back.
26:45>> it.
26:45>> All right, we're back. The thing that I'm wondering about while you're talking through all this though it's is is great details, but we keep coming back to the Cuba thing and that angle and we're mostly mentioning either mobsters or people that were involved with the United States government, but where are some of the Cuban revolutionaries in the middle of this and who are they reporting to? The biggest The biggest The biggest guy that I could place at the center of it There's actually two we could go to, but Sergio Arcacha Smith.
27:16Sergio Arcacha Smith So, let's go back first to Peppy San Roman was the head of the the guy who was like on the beaches with the Bay of Pigs and he's mad he's a guy and they come out of the They come out of this old man. A lot of the militant ones who were trained by the CIA. They're pissed. But there's a guy Sergio Arcacha Smith who's at New Orleans at one point, but he's been floating around, but he's out of New Orleans for the most part and he was sort of the head of this CIA organization that wanted to sort of like an umbrella group that would keep all of the Cuban the various Cuban exile groups in one sort of like in one pot.
27:51Like you have all of these Cuban exile groups springing up that concerns the CIA. They want to be able to control them and have a handle on them and through Sergio Arcacha Smith he's sort of the boss of this umbrella group that contains all of the other Cuban exile militant Cuban exile groups that want Cuba back and he's trying to like keep them in one basket for the for his own for his own reasons and for the CIA. So, now at some point or another when these when they're defunded and Sergio Arcacha Smith is out of government money cuz of the Kennedy administration kind of said, "That's it. We're not going to back this
28:27anymore." and they were left out there.
28:30Arcacha Smith suddenly befriends David Ferrie and David Ferrie is suddenly walking around. David Ferrie was always known to have no money. He was a broken-down valise. He lost his job with an a major airline and now he's kind of like down and out and all of the sudden he's walking around with crisp hundred-dollar bills and somebody said that they believed he's starting to feed money to Alkacha, Sergio Alkacha Smith, as well and funding the exiles, David Ferrie is, and they believe that the crisp hundred-dollar bills are coming from Marcello going to Ferrie and over to Sergio Alkacha Smith. So, that's sort
29:04of like one of the main conspirators.
29:07Now, later on during the Jim Garrison case when Jim Garrison goes after David Ferrie and refuses to connect Ferrie to Marcello because it later came out that he was in Marcello's pocket, Jim Garrison.
29:20He goes after Ferrie and Ferrie says, "I'm a dead man.
29:23The second you come after me, I'm a dead man." So, now there's something interesting going on that Oliver Stone curiously left out of his movie.
29:30>> Yeah, what how do we know that Garrison was in Marcello's pocket?
29:33>> Well, Garrison was tried twice and they started doing the government went after Garrison and they only went after him because he stepped out of line by going after the government. So, Garrison decides he's going to go after he's going to blame it on the CIA and he's he's [clears throat] looking at Ferrie, uh eventually turns to Clay Shaw, but originally when he's going after the government saying there's a conspiracy here and it goes to the CIA, rogue agents of the CIA.
29:56The government all of a sudden sends people down there to look into what Garrison's looking into, but not within with the intention of finding out what Garrison finds out, but with the intention of smearing Garrison. So, then all of a sudden they go through their media contacts, the CIA does, and there's all of a sudden these hit pieces coming out on Garrison and his connection to the mob. And all of a sudden it gets dug up. Now, they wouldn't have even though I was probably it was probably true that Garrison was overlooking he liked Marcello, he said he's a good guy, he was seen going to dinner with
30:27Marcello's brothers, he dismissed a lot of mob cases, there was an incident where a mobster had a heart attack in his house during a mob slash campaign meeting for the mob. You know, like [laughter] putting your politics. So, it came out and so later on >> That wasn't >> in the movie.
30:43>> Yeah, and later on they accused Garrison of taking money under the table from the mob. Garrison beat the case, was tried again, tax evasion, beat the case. He beat two cases, but he was dragged out of his house early in the morning by FBI agents, and he's It would have never happened unless he shook a tree that he should never shake and shook a beehive.
31:03He should have never shaken. That's how they felt, the government. So, the government went after him. But, however, the government had a lot to find when they started looking. So, Garrison definitely was Marcello owned the whole state machinery. Don't forget that. So, Garrison's part of that machinery. He's the prosecutor. Prosecutor, governor, mayor, he's got them all. So, and when asked Charles Santo Trafficante's attorney goes to visit Marcello at one point after Garrison opens up the the the investigation into the Kennedy assassination. This is a few years after it happened. And he says, "Look, are you
31:36worried?"
31:38His the the attorney knows that his client's Trafficante's involved somehow, and Marcello. And he goes, "Look, are you concerned about this?" And he goes, "Nothing to worry about. He's my man."
31:49>> [laughter] >> And he goes, "Really?" And he goes, "You look like you decapitated a canary." He goes, he was like absolutely smug about it. He goes, "Nothing to worry about.
31:55He's my man." So, now I wondered, was Carlos Marcello so confident that Garrison not only wouldn't look at him, but did God Carlos Marcello when the nation was starting to demand answers, and people were starting to talk about the mafia do it, did Carlos Marcello one better?
32:15Maybe put Garrison up to leading the scent away from him, away from Marcello.
32:22Not Not for sure, but not You can't rule it out as a slim possibility. Slim possibility, maybe. So, Garrison now, another person when you asked about the Cubans, there's a guy who's connected to Santo Trafficante in Florida.
32:39>> A Cuban?
32:40>> A Cuban. His name is Eladio Delvalle.
32:42>> Eladio.
32:43>> Yeah. He ends up dead.
32:44>> Well, Garrison goes looking for him and finds him in a shopping center in Miami with an axe wound in the center of his skull and a bullet wound in his heart.
32:52Yeah, he got shot. Yeah. So now Ferrie Ferrie also Ferrie first goes, "I'm a dead man." So they put Ferrie in protective custody and you mentioned the Fontainebleau in in in Miami where they met with the CIA, but there was another Fontainebleau in New Orleans. Yeah.
33:07>> So they put him up in there and they're protecting him, Garrison's guys.
33:11But now Garrison wrote a couple of books about the assassination and I can't find anywhere where Garrison just kind of jumps from Ferrie asked for protective custody, Ferrie was found dead in his house. I'm like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me Let me go back a few pages and read this again. I must have missed something." So I go back and read it again. Ferrie asked for protective custody, Ferrie was found dead in his house. I'm like, Garrison's leaving a big piece of the picture out and I'm not sure why. So I picked up Garrison's other book, read it cover to cover and I'm like, Ferrie was asked asked for protection,
33:44we provided it, Ferrie was found dead in his house. I'm going, "Oh, he's doing the same [ __ ] again." Why is Garrison hiding what happened between Ferrie wants protection and Ferrie is found dead at his house?
33:55>> Mhm.
33:55>> So then I dig deeper in other sources, out of print books, archives, newspapers.
34:01What happened was Ferrie says, "I'm a dead man. I need protection against unknown people." He doesn't state who he needs protection against, so we're told.
34:09Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
34:11He gets put into the Fontainebleau.
34:13Somebody's watching him there.
34:15That guy switches his shift is done, he wants to go home to his family, another guy comes in.
34:22But then that guy who comes in to watch Ferrie at the Fontainebleau runs out of cigarettes.
34:27And Ferrie all of the sudden goes home.
34:30So either there's something strange happening. One is why does Why do they leave Ferrie alone even for a minute?
34:36Why didn't you run off for cigarettes?
34:38Why didn't you come with cigarettes? Or why didn't you tell the other guy, "Do me a favor, grab me a pack before you leave, or give me another 10 minutes.
34:45I'm going out for a pack." Somehow, somewhere, you can't leave Ferrie alone.
34:49>> Yeah.
34:49>> Now, does Ferrie think when they leave him alone, "Are they setting me up?" The Fontainebleau in New Orleans was built with Teamsters funds, and Santo Trafficante, whenever he visited Marcello, would stay there. It's a mob hangout. And mob may be backed. So, now he's going, "Okay, maybe they left me for a reason." So, he gets spooked and goes home. Garrison left all this out.
35:10He goes home, and now he's found dead at his house.
35:15But, it's a little weird that he's found dead cuz they said, "Well, he left two suicide notes, and he committed suicide cuz there's two suicide notes." But, it was an embolism in his neck. So, how is it an embolism in or his brain, his neck? Wait a second. Did he kill himself? How is Oh, usually people before they commit They go They know an embolism is coming.
35:32>> That's right. Yeah.
35:33>> Right.
35:34>> feel it.
35:34>> Right. You can feel it coming, and then you start to like maybe run around the house and get your blood pressure up a little more, and then write two suicide notes really quick.
35:41>> That's exactly right.
35:42>> strange. Right. So, Ferrie gets clipped, I think. Ferrie is found dead, let's say. We don't know.
35:48>> He was clipped.
35:48>> Let's say Yeah.
35:50He's gone in New Orleans. Al Ladio Del Valle's gone in in uh Miami. Del Valle was connected to Trafficante. Ferrie's connected to Marcello. It's a little odd that they go right away together as soon as Garrison opens up the investigation.
36:05So, then Blakey asked a really important question. He goes, >> Blakey.
36:08>> G. Robert Blakey. He says, "Hey, look."
36:10And this other guy, Noyes, a reporter, they both asked these questions at the time.
36:14They go, "It's really odd that Garrison links Ferrie to the conspiracy and Al Ladio Del Valle, but can't see past that. He doesn't see that Ferrie's always with Marcello. And also, too, when they went into house, they find records that after Ferry was working for Marcelo during the trial, long after, Marcelo buys him a gas station.
36:37Why would Marcelo buy Ferry a gas station?
36:40And >> He's a really nice guy.
36:42>> Exactly. Exactly. So, they said, "Well, the people who tried to dismiss it go, well, he worked for him during the trial. He got paid during the trial."
36:50And you don't buy somebody who works for you a >> Yes, you do. If you pay them during the trial, it is custom in American customs that you buy them a gas station afterwards. That's how it works.
36:59>> had a number of trials I've been through, and everybody who helped me, I bought them a gas station.
37:03>> bought them a gas station. That's right.
37:04>> I bought one guy a mobile, another guy an Exxon.
37:07>> 100%.
37:07>> Yeah. Yeah. So, it happens. So, it's a little Exactly.
37:12I mean, such It's such [ __ ] we're being shoved in our throats for 60 years.
37:16>> It's so comical when you look at this case, and you could go if we had like one of those giant, you know, investigation boards up here, and you had all the red strings going to the middle, >> Homeland.
37:28>> Yeah, exactly.
37:30The At every single string, there's a complete and total comical lie that's been fed to people. Not even like, "Oh, yeah, this is kind of true, but it's slightly different context." No, no, they're like, "No, this isn't true at all. Don't look here.
37:42>> Right.
37:43>> Oh, this guy's dead. Don't worry about it. It's fine. He's a gangster. What do you want?
37:46>> Yeah, exactly.
37:48>> it just it it offends the human spirit.
37:50>> It really does. They've been They've been They've been serving us this line of [ __ ] for 60 years.
37:56>> Yeah.
37:57>> So, and I think we're going to get a little more of it. Don't don't Let's not be surprised if the dump doesn't really turn out to be what we're expecting. If I was the head of the CIA, and I was bent hell-bent on preserving this information, destroying it, I had 60 years to do it. I mean, come on. And you know, I mean, so >> That's what I'm saying. And also, of whatever is there that's going to be be out, it's really, really maddening when you hear a guy like Mike Pompeo who's in charge of the CIA talk about it. It is despicable. Talk about how No, it I I told President Trump it and he and he talks about it
38:32like with with glee. I I told President Trump it it shouldn't be released and it's not a big deal. There's not much there or anything. And >> he looked at it though. He shouldn't have looked at it without us seeing it.
38:42>> The reason that he's saying it shouldn't be released he's like, "Well, you know, there's names and addresses of people who are still around."
38:49>> Yeah, okay.
38:50>> And and I'm like, "Okay."
38:51>> Yeah.
38:51>> Let's let's even give you sympathy on that for a second. Let's say there are a few 80-year-old people who are still around and they have kids that have nothing to do with this but >> Payne, look for Ruth Payne, by the way.
39:00>> Who's Ruth Payne?
39:01>> Ruth Payne was the one who took Oswald in. She's still alive. Ruth Payne's name is Pat Bot. Okay.
39:06>> that's what I'm saying like >> It's [ __ ] but I'm just saying keep an eye out for her.
39:09>> if this is if it's that big a deal, [ __ ] redact their names.
39:14>> Right.
39:14>> Like even and I wouldn't even like that, but all right, if you're worried about a few people who are alive, just [ __ ] redact their name and their address.
39:22>> Right. And tell us as soon as they're dead, we'll let you know.
39:24>> Yeah.
39:25>> Right. It's >> That's better than nothing.
39:27>> Yeah. Well, this is the guy who was trying to kill Julian Assange.
39:30>> Yes.
39:31>> So, I mean they >> in in Yahoo News back in 2021 and and I I I think that if if you read that report, that is a long report.
39:40>> I haven't read the whole thing.
39:41>> report.
39:43I I think that's pretty reasonable that he was trying to do that.
39:46>> Yeah.
39:47>> Which is like crazy because I understand that no countries when it comes to espionage are actually friends.
39:53Like that is how it works. Like no one's [ __ ] friends.
39:57But to to try to whack a journalist >> Mhm.
40:02>> who has unrelated to journalism [ __ ] charges in Sweden. Let's even say hypothetically they're true and they're not, but who is who has been given asylum in an ally country, your your probably best ally, the UK, within another part of that country, which is the embassy for another sovereign country, Ecuador.
40:26The brazenness to try to whack that guy.
40:29>> The balls.
40:31>> It's insane. I mean, I I get it. There's weird [ __ ] that goes on, but like that that's not You want to talk about Oh, well, we want to be a more free, transparent, you know, government That's not helping, bro.
40:44>> Yeah, it's all a lie, though. It's all They don't want transparency. They're desperately trying to stop They're using every excuse to stop um just right now trying to find where the money goes.
40:56Yeah, with the whole Doge thing. And you could you could argue you might not want Musk in charge of it. I happen to love Musk as a businessman, an entrepreneur, as an innovative thinker, as a spaceman.
41:08I love him as that.
41:09>> Mhm.
41:10>> Um >> As an unelected billionaire being given access to all the money in >> I would say the optics are horrible. I would say that you probably Maybe it's better just for optics to get someone else. However, however, that said, it's a noble cause. I mean, he's the guy I believe he single-handedly saved free speech by buying Twitter, by purchasing Twitter.
41:30>> a good move.
41:31>> It's a big move. It's a step in the right direction. It's not complete. Um it's a step in the right direction. I think without him I mean, we were really, if you think about how doomed I didn't think I thought censorship was going to rule for the next decade or maybe few decades.
41:45Yeah, I I really thought that we were headed for that. And then all of a sudden you see this guy walking with a kitchen sink and it's and he he turns it all over single-handedly. Takes a lot of courage to do that.
41:55>> changed the tide. Look at Zuckerberg now trying to get on the train. You even see some of the other like [ __ ] Sundar Pichai is up there on the stage at the inauguration with Trump like clearly listening to Bezos, clearly listening or appearing to listen, I guess. I'll I'll believe actions when I see it, but listening to the to the sea change, it's it's very, very interesting. And and I I am a fan of Elon Musk. I think the guy's a a brilliant man who truly loves what he does, has some unbelievably noble causes. And like I I just think he's great. Does that mean I like every single thing about him? No. And
42:32>> That's like that with everybody.
42:33>> Right. And that's exactly right. And there's there's some gray area with people. And I think Elon is like a little bit too caught up like a little kid in the excitement of all this. And like one of the things that it is like a really dangerous thing to say when you think about free speech and what it's supposed to mean. But, one of the things I I said back in late 2022 when he took over is I'm like, this is a really big move potentially for humanity and within this country especially for free speech. And I think that is amazing.
43:04>> he I think he almost single-handedly saved it at that moment.
43:07>> I think that's amazing. But, I could see that he was starting to inject his own opinions into things more. And as someone who outside of Saudi Arabia and Vladimir Putin is probably the richest guy in the world, the optics of him buying a platform just for humanity, even if that's what he did. And I actually think he might have.
43:27And then using that platform to throw out his own opinions all the time made me nervous. And I'll tell you why.
43:38First of all, he's completely within his free speech rights that were It's like It's like a giant paradox. That we're completely fighting for in getting this platform taken back. So, you'd say, "Well, why do you have a problem with that?"
43:48I'm saying that we had gotten we had let this get to a point from a free speech perspective in this internet 2.0 age that was so [clears throat] bad, so bad that if the optics of a billionaire buying the platform that's going to be his own personal playground in a sense are going to come up. That would also look bad. And so, if Elon Musk truly bought it for humanity because he wanted to save free speech, this is a paradox to say people, I understand this, but I said this back in 2022 and I feel stronger about it today. If he wanted to buy a platform where his sole goal was to save free speech, he might have
44:25needed to think about sacrificing his own in the process. Because right now, and I understand like the the the last 4 years with with Biden and Harris were were not good. They did a horrible job.
44:35The American people were lied to every day cuz I mean Biden wasn't even alive.
44:39I mean it was it was terrible. So, I fully understand where the pendulums of society are. But when you become like the number one Trump funder and every single thing that you tweet out, even before he was doing this doge thing, is so hardcore in one direction and you are the most viewed algorithmically person on the app and you own it, optically, it's not the best look.
45:01>> is This is what I'll have to say to that. So, and I'll I'll probably come around to close to what you're saying, but not all the way.
45:09>> You don't have to.
45:09>> Yeah, no, no, I know.
45:10>> That's why we talk here.
45:11>> Yeah, definitely. So, so there were other for a long time we had to deal with um Zuckerberg >> Mhm.
45:19>> uh doing it one-sided.
45:21>> Yep.
45:21>> Uh the guy from Twitter before Musk >> Yep.
45:24>> doing it one-sided.
45:26Um Bezos at one point, you know, was one-sided.
45:29>> Absolutely.
45:31>> Um and then all of a sudden I think Musk is the first one who's gone one-sided, but the wrong way.
45:39The wrong way.
45:39>> Yeah, I don't like saying it like that.
45:41>> how the that's how the people who are attacking him, not necessarily you, but the people who are attacking him are going, "Well, we like it when it's the right way.
45:49>> That's right.
45:49>> And we don't care how many trillions and gazillions you have as long as you're saying what we like or doing what we like or shutting down stories or ignoring them.
45:58But if you go that way, we really have to attack you." So, now he's the first one who comes under fire. Where the rest of them sort of like ducked all the bullets and had no really like, "Okay, a couple of indie guys are yelling about us, but all the mainstream media is quite fine with that."
46:11>> That's right.
46:12>> Right? So, that's what I feel like that's why it gets hard to listen to it now. All the attacks on Musk, I'm like, "Well, you didn't have a problem when Musk was your prima primadonna, number one. You didn't have a problem with Bezos. You didn't have a problem with Zuckerberg. You didn't have a problem with Again, what's his name from Twitter?"
46:29>> Jack Dorsey.
46:30>> Dorsey. You didn't have a problem with Dorsey completely blacking out the laptop story.
46:34>> That's right.
46:34>> And you told us shut up when we said, "You can't do that. It's free speech."
46:38So, now, and I don't mean us cuz I'm not mean I'm right or left. I'm trying to look at it objectively. Now you see Musk and them, and I will say this though, I said I could meet you a little on this.
46:49I would say Musk is such an incredible genius. Please get us to Mars. Leave the politics to other people at this point.
46:56Um he is such a brilliant mind. We We only going to have you for a small time on Earth. If you live to 100, it's a flash in a pan.
47:03>> Yes.
47:04>> So, we only have your brilliant mind for a small amount of time. You could get us to Mars. You could do innovations that are beyond our level of thinking.
47:14The guy's like He's got like He's got like the mind of like almost like an increased intelligence of an alien or something like from a different planet or sphere.
47:21>> be an alien.
47:22>> Who [laughter] the hell knows? He's that brilliant. He's that brilliant. So, >> brilliant.
47:26>> So, me as if I was his friend, I would say, "Look, Elon, you saved free speech in America.
47:31Okay? And now you've done great things by kind of shifting this whole DOJ program into where government efficiency is so important. Our money is being pissed away for so long, and it's being robbed and everything else. And like the other side is trying to go, 'Well, you're not allowed to' You're allowed to look into the money that's being >> You should absolutely be allowed to.
47:51This USAID stuff is [ __ ] >> It's a lot of >> love that he's exposing that.
47:55>> I know I know a I know a colonel who was stationed in Afghanistan for a long time and he goes, "You have no idea the money we spent on programs there that would make your head spin." The other thing too is we told women, so the the party of women, why I was a little mad at them, the party of women, women's rights, were the party of women, women's rights.
48:17The party of women and women's rights did a pullout in Afghanistan where all those women we told for years that "You should tell your husband you have rights. You should be an equal woman.
48:28You should be a cop. You should be whatever you want. Don't listen to your stupid masochistic husband who's from the dark ages." Then we just pulled out and left them to be raped and killed.
48:37And we're the party of women? I don't want to hear that either. You know? Like we after we dumped all of that money into women's women's rights and trans rights and all those other things and then we pull out and we left all of those we said all their cavemen, you don't have to listen to them. They're in charge. So, you know, I mean, to me it's like one thing after another. But getting back to Musk, I would say, "Okay, look.
49:00Elon, we need your brain for humanity's sake, for innovative ideas, for invention, for the great things that you've done. You pushed electric cars when nobody was able to put it together and pull it off. We talked about it for decades, but nobody did it till really him.
49:17SpaceX is an incredible thing. I mean, this is like I love I love reading about the whole quest for the moon and I wrote a thing. I read a I wrote I One day I'll recite it, but about us getting there. And it speaks to Musk. It's about It goes to Musk.
49:37It's like an ode to him because he was going to get us there. And all of a sudden I feel like this is a major distraction. Yes. So, I feel like if you Now he's out of politics maybe. Get back to being the genius that you are for all of humanity. So, I do agree on that front. but in the meantime he's done incredible things. I you know, you you got to love the guy. He's done incredible things for this country.
49:59You know, I mean, this guy comes here with nothing. It's not like he was given billions of dollars. His father was a little bit of a hustler. He comes here.
50:07He makes his own way. His mother never had anything. And you know, his mother was like >> the American dream.
50:13>> Totally American dream.
50:14>> Like like there's no doubt about it and I I think it's a beautiful story and I hate to see people attacking him with that. The point you make though about how the platforms that had always gone one way and now that one is going the other way, now now it's a problem. I completely agree. It's so hypocritical and that's the really hard part.
50:32>> don't want it to see go that way either.
50:34I want it in between. I want it straight.
50:35>> That's the point. That's the point. When I look at this, it's just human nature, right? It's very hard for me to put myself in his shoes and all the attacks that he is >> Is he is he censoring cuz I don't I'm not on Twitter a lot. I got account, but I don't do nothing. Is he censoring anyone from the left? Is that like is any of that happening now where you could accuse that it's one way and there's evidence to base it?
50:54>> Censoring is a strong word. I haven't seen I I wouldn't make I wouldn't I I would yes, I think it's been very solid free speech. There's been some weird [ __ ] that isn't necessarily like just left people by the way where accounts still get suspended on some things where it seems a little sketchy, but I don't have enough in front of me to really publicly like go with that and and and make a full opinion. There there there's some stuff that that looks a little sketchy, but like I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt there.
51:26>> Yeah.
51:26>> My thing is when you point to it going one way in the past and now it's suddenly a problem just cuz it's going the what they view >> As one as one as one way, right.
51:36>> What you're talking about is something I cite all the time on this podcast in a million different contexts because it's the most important thing about the laws of the universe and how we relate to each other and how physical matter works and everything. And that is one of the universal laws of physics, which is for every action there's an equal but opposite reaction, which creates an equilibrium. And the wider range of the actions, the most violence to get to equilibrium.
51:59And I'm a guy that always wants to be as close to equilibrium as possible. In a perfect world, we'd always be there, but that's not really possible with human nature. That said, for a situation like this, as hard as it is, and I can't even I can't even imagine how hard it is. I I don't even know all the things behind the scenes that he knows and the [ __ ] he sees and the and the crime that's probably committed against him. As hard as it is, Hey guys, if you haven't already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It's a huge huge help. Thank you.
52:26The best opportunity with this would be able to take the high road and not politically go back against it and try to just create the middle ground free speech platform without injecting your opinion, even though that is again, and I and I admit this, it's hypocritical to the idea of free speech cuz that means it should be free speech for everyone from the poorest guy to the richest guy. So, I I it it it's it's a tough pill for even me to swallow when it when I explain it. I just wish it didn't get so politicized and like with independent media, and I don't I don't want this I don't want this to be twisted and and sound
53:01anyway. Like there's so many guys that I respect the [ __ ] out of, for example, who went to the inauguration. And going to the inauguration is the American inauguration, your president's coming in. That's fine.
53:11The optics of how some of this looks though is tough for me because I I do my best.
53:16I I'm sure I fail sometimes, but I'm always trying to look 10 years out. And all the things that we disliked in independent media about the mainstream media, righteously so, about the lying they did, the one-sidedness they did, all these different things that happened. Yeah.
53:33I don't want that anger to turn into people nestling up too close to the other side and becoming from the other side the very thing that they don't like.
53:43>> you love if you love America, the real then you want a strong center.
53:48And that's when the country is healthiest. It almost goes to like if you're centered as a person, right? You don't like throw yourself into one hobby or another too much. You have to stay centered. You don't drink too much, you drink in moderation. You have fun in moderation, you have quiet time in moderation. You need a balanced lifestyle.
54:08>> Yes.
54:08>> I feel like the a country is almost like a human body. And we are the body of the country, the people. And I always feel like a country needs to be centered as well. And I like a strong center. Now, having said that, I do feel like it pulled off I feel like you have Musk, you have RFK Jr., you have Tulsi Gabbard. These are former Democrats who went this way because they felt like this aligns more with their values as former Democrats.
54:40>> Cuz things got so out of whack.
54:42>> Uh so out of whack. So they've lost I felt like the center on the left a lot.
54:46Well, I'm socially progressive. I'm fine. I have friends who are gay. I'm fine if a woman gets an abortion as long as it's an early month. You know, where where you know, the hard left is they should be able to get it to the last minute.
54:58The hard right is no abortion period.
55:00>> Also great.
55:01>> So So yeah, I'm I'm where most Americans are where like, "Hey, you know what?
55:05There are issues. Sometimes you can't force a woman to do to take on something for the rest of her life if it's early enough, please allow that to happen."
55:15>> I got you.
55:15>> it. So I'm very socially progressive, but I feel like now you're going to tell me it's okay to let Look, I'm for transgenders, too. I was in jail with transgenders. I stood up for them.
55:26>> You just don't want dicks in a women's bathroom.
55:29>> No, and I don't want a man beating up a woman or racing a woman. Give them their own category. I said that from day one.
55:35So, you know, this is like and give them all of the respect that's due. Their humanity. They're God's children.
55:42Whether you want to admit that or not, that there's one God. I believe in a one monotheistic Me, you, every gay, every transgender, every male, every female, we're all one we're all the children of one God. So, everybody is equal deserving of equal rights, the same rights. And if anybody's rights are violated, I'd be the first one to jump to defend them. I did it in jail. I do it on the street.
56:07So, that that's I have no problem with that until you violate someone else's rights in defense of one person's rights. And I felt like that stepped over the line.
56:15>> to happen.
56:16>> It was starting to happen. So, that >> I get it. Lou, I get like I understand.
56:21I've seen the pendulums in society over and over again. I've seen it flip in both directions and I I always try to fight the flip. So, I'm not faulting people for seeing >> Yeah.
56:31>> those those flaws. There's no doubt >> jail.
56:34>> There's no doubt about it and there and I was not in the least bit surprised that Donald Trump won the election. And I I could make a very good case that he 100% deserved to. Just based on how crazy some things had gotten. And so, people hopefully we can learn a lesson from that as a society and maybe we can incentivize some more moderate voices.
56:54The problem is moderate voices are not what get clicks. What gets clicks >> Is is extremism.
57:00>> is extremism. And I see it over and over again and you know, I know there's a lot of people who think like I do. I know that and I know a lot of them are listening right now.
57:12There are not a lot of people who get attention who think like I do.
57:16And that is that's a really tough thing that that I that I wrestle with and and a lot of that is because people who think like I do don't even want to they're like, "Fuck what all these other [ __ ] people are saying. I don't want to get involved with this." And I respect that. It's just like it's very hard to get those voices to win because it it's such a team society now and it's it's extremely disappointing that like we can never have some sort of gray area on issue. It's either your team A or your team B. And that just not only does that go against my nature, that goes against human nature.
57:46>> Yeah.
57:47Yeah.
57:48Well, yeah, I felt like there was a series of mistakes made over the last several years that really opened up a lot of people's eyes. I mean, >> Yeah.
57:57>> Yeah, I mean you you Yeah, I mean we could go on with that >> We could go on and on and on. The The USA ID stuff again, I wish it was someone else doing it just for optics.
58:06>> you could get in any pitbull, any forensic I remember I mentioned Carmine Bellino, Bobby Kennedy's like forensic accounting pitbull. There were a million absolute geniuses in there that could go in there and sniff out that stuff and get to the bottom of it and we would then preserve Musk's mind for great things. So, I remember one time I remember one time I was reading about it. I think it was Isaac Newton and the great Isaac Newton, right?
58:30>> The great Isaac Newton.
58:32>> He was like in charge of either like I think like the He was either in charge of the treasury or the currency and he was chasing counterfeiters and when I'm reading it I'm going, we lost Isaac Newton's mind to that crap. Any any any like um >> Yeah, where's your time spent? 100%.
58:47>> really good dogging investigator could have did that and we preserve Isaac Newton's mind for Isaac Newton stuff.
58:53>> 100%.
58:54>> It's almost like having DaVinci. You got one shot with DaVinci.
58:57>> Yeah.
58:58>> Leonardo DaVinci.
58:59>> are you digging why are you digging through USA ID if you're I I I agree with >> If I had Leonardo DaVinci right now, I would say you ain't going near any of that. Please DaVinci, focus your mind on all these great things. So, that that's the only that's not even real criticism.
59:14>> No, I understand what I completely agree. Like I don't like the optics.
59:18>> compliment to him. He's a prodigy.
59:19>> optics and I also agree with that point you just made. What I don't want to get lost in it is that it's not [ __ ] awesome that like the USA ID stuff for example is coming out. I'm so glad that's coming out. None of it None of it surprises me. There's not They haven't read one thing where I'm like, "No way."
59:35I'm like, "Yeah, it sounds about right."
59:36But the fact that the people are getting access to that and the fact that there are people who are so lost on the left side that they can't even admit that this is [ __ ] up is crazy. You know, and so it it's And that's what I'm saying.
59:52Yes.
59:57This is fine that he's exposing it.
59:59Maybe not the optics of it might not be right. And I say I'd rather have his brain also doing all the stuff. So there's a reasons why you'd want somebody else to replace him, but it's not that it's a bad thing. It's a damn good thing. But the people who are at risk of losing the billions of dollars that are being stolen are the people who galvanize the to push attention against, you know, to to tarnish it. That's where it's coming from, just so you know. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And
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