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8:31>> [music] >> Hello everybody. body. Welcome to the Jimmy Door Show on this Friday, July 10th. A little matinea edition of the Jimmy Door Show. Thanks to the West Coast crew for getting up nice and early. Pleasure to see you all here. We got a great show for you today. Kurt Mezer is going to be joining us midshow.
9:17We got Janine Ununice, uh, our friend coming on towards the end of the program. Uh but to kick things off here, we're going to waste no time introducing our first guest. Caleb Mopin is a journalist and political analyst who has reported extensively from the Middle East and Latin America and has made frequent media appearances on RT and Press TV. He is also the founder and director of the center for political innovation as well as the author of a great number of books including his latest which is imperialism and anti-imperialism key writings and lectures by Caleb Mins.
9:57A big book almost 500 pages which speaks to his body of work. Please welcome back to the program uh friend Caleb Min.
10:04Caleb great to see you again.
10:06>> Sure glad to be here.
10:08>> Absolutely. Absolutely. uh so much going on in the world now that you have covered extensively both um as uh an author and a speaker but also as an on the ground journalist. You visited so many of these places around the world which you write about uh in your book which we're going to talk about uh soon.
10:28But we're going to start out with the breaking news here because this is right in your wheelhouse as well. Marco Rubio confirms that the Trump administration will help Ukraine strike deep into Russia in a massive escalation. Trump restarted war with Iran and is now planning on starting World War II with Russia. The bloodthirsty ruling class completely lost their minds. This is our friend Nick Cruz with a hotspot video on this. We'll take a a quick look here.
10:56>> Now allow Ukraine to use Patriot missiles. But this shouldn't surprise anyone. This is the basic mission creep that we seen the United States deploy since the Biden administration.
11:07>> So, one of the things we're going to be talking about is you'll uh we're going to give a license to you to make Patriots. That's pretty cool, right?
11:15>> This way you can't complain that we're not giving them enough and say make them yourself. Uh we haven't informed the company of that yet, but that'll that'll work out all right. You know, that's what people sure they'll be thrilled.
11:27The strategy of the United States and NATO ever since the start of this conflict has been to slowly escalate, plunging us into World War II and testing the restraint of Russia.
11:37>> Yeah, I know. I think what you're discussing is the ability of Ukraine to reach deep inside of Russia to conduct strikes. I think that's one of the dynamics that's changed in this in this war over the last few months, and that is that that Russians are finding it more difficult to defend their own airspace. And what we hope that means is that's going to create the space now for to negotiate the end of this war. It's an escalation, but it's also an escalation that can help lead to an end.
12:01>> We warned people that the tension between Trump and Zalinski was fake political theater. The same way that the tension between Netanyahu and Trump is fake political theater. Neocons in the establishment is consistently working scops in order to advance their wars.
12:18MAGA fell for it once again. Donald Trump betrayed all his campaign promises, [music] especially his promise to end this war against Russia and Ukraine. Not only did Donald Trump continue Joe Biden's war, he also opened up multiple new fronts, including strikes on Iran, reigniting a conflict that would destabilize the global economy. This is why peace movements in the west needs to lock in right now because our deranged Epson class is willing to plunge the world into chaos in order to defeat their enemies and accomplish their goal of geopolitical dominance.
12:59There's our friend Nick with the great report there. Tom Corey says many voted for Trump in 2024 primarily to prevent the escalation of tensions with Russia.
13:09leading up to a possible nuclear conflict. Now, everything they feared about a Harris administration is materializing with the Trump administration. Now, of course, the other side of this, and this is what you're seeing a lot of mainstream media uh run with the angle that uh this is actually theater in the other direction, and he's not actually helping Ukraine as much as he says he is. So, what kind of show did Trump put on with Patriot for Ukraine? A promise without real value.
13:38Trump promised KV a license to produce Patriot missiles at the NATO summit, but experts call this a political gesture.
13:45Setting up serial production will take three to five years, while Ukraine needs weapons. Now, existing supply chains are overloaded, and the factory would become a priority target for Russia. Trump's goal is protection from criticism. The main objective of the American leader is not real aid, but creating the appearance of support to avoid reproaches from within the US and from allies. The promise does not solve Ukraine's current air defense shortage.
14:10Risks to US security include transferring Patriot technology could expose classified information about air defense systems and responsible statecraftraft suggest the Pentagon will drag its feet on implementation until the initiative is forgotten. This same account here uh cites a clip of John Mirshimer explaining what will happen because Trump is not providing Ukraine with sufficient support. Defeat in Ukraine is also likely to lead to a transatlantic blame game, especially since the Trump administration has refused to support Keev as vigorously as the Biden administration and instead pushed the Europeans to
14:55assume more of the burden of keeping Ukraine in the fight. Thus, when the war finally ends with a Russian victory, Trump can accuse the Europeans of not stepping up to the plate while the European leaders can accuse Trump of bailing out on Ukraine in its greatest moment of need.
15:18>> Okay, so you know, all day if you've been following the uh mainstream press, reports by ABC, reports by Reuters really emphasizing the fact that it's going to take years to implement these Patriot systems. They seem to be of the opinion that uh Trump is really stalling and trying to make it look like he's offering Ukraine more support than he is. However, obviously, we just saw the video. Uh on its face, this seems like a pretty significant escalation in violation of one of his core uh campaign promises. Now, you've covered this topic extensively as a writer, as an activist, as an author, um, and as as an on the
15:58ground journalist, uh, as well. What do you make of this recent decision to supply Patriot systems to Ukraine?
16:07>> Well, I I think we need to first talk about what mainstream media is completely ignoring, which is that Ukraine has adopted a strategy of terrorism. Uh, and that's not getting any play in American media. They've just kind of looked the other way. Ukraine's losing this war. They're not losing it like overnight. It's it's they're losing it gradually. Uh and as they're losing it, they've just decided to start murdering Russian civilians. Uh and they've been targeting buses mainly uh with these drones. And if you look at what was done to the the soccer team from Bellarus, you know, their their bus, you look at what was done to
16:40civilian buses, that just seems to be what Ukraine is now doing is targeting civilian buses. Buses full of, you know, families and adults and children. uh and that's not getting any attention over here. Um, you know, and this has been, you know, there's been targeting of civilians by Ukraine from the beginning of the conflict from back in 2014. You know, you had the the shelling of the Donbos region after the USA installed the fanatically anti-Russian government.
17:05That's the reason this war began was because of the fact that people in the Donbos region uh they declared independence uh after a fanatically anti-Russian government was installed and in response uh they faced a wave of terrorism and attacks and bombings etc.
17:20from the US backed government and eventually Russia moved in to protect them in 2022. Uh and this whole situation, you know, lays on the shoulders of NATO. I mean, this didn't have to happen and mainstream media doesn't give you any of that attention.
17:33But the fact that Ukraine is now turning towards this policy of just targeting civilians, you know, blowing up school buses, blowing up dormitories where kids are studying. I mean, it's just it's they're just trying to demoralize the population of Russia in the hopes of, you know, just kind of making the population weary by, you know, taking the lives of children and school kids and families that are trying to get to the beach for their vacation. I mean, it's pretty evil what's what's been going on. That's not getting any play in American media. And the fact that, you know, the Patriot missiles, uh, it's
18:06kind of interesting the way Patriot missiles works. Uh, do you want me to get into that? Uh, because >> Sure. Of course.
18:11>> Yeah. Yeah. So you know Patriot missiles when you look at how Patriot missiles work uh in terms of these are like defensive missiles that are strike enabling right. So so basically the idea is that you know Russia would would shoot a missile into Ukraine and then they would have the ability to deflect it and in cold war terms that means you can strike another country and then they aren't able to respond. That's why it's threatening. Uh the United States has a monopoly on them. Only two American companies uh have the the copyright to them. Loheed Martin and RTX, formerly known as Rathon. Uh, and only two
18:43countries have ever been given a license to make them by the United States so far, Japan and Germany. Uh, and that when you get a license to set up Patriot missiles, it's quite a process because the copyright of how to make them is not only, you know, legally protected. The US government sends people there to make sure and guard the information. So there's like you know like you know guards basically uh who escort uh the computer chips with the plans on them etc. It's quite expensive just to facilitate having the information about how to build it. Uh and then on top of that you know as the video hinted uh
19:18Ukraine would have to make their own supply chain. Not only do they have to make a factory that can make them, which has to be very very carefully watched because the plans uh are very carefully guarded as a matter of national security, but on top of that, they then have to make their own supply chain to have the parts uh that go into it. And there's no way that Ukraine can actually get Patriot missiles up and going, you know, with it'll take them at least three to five years. Uh this isn't something they can set up overnight. If they do set it up though, they'll be you they'll have the ability to strike
19:47Russia and deflect any response. And that's what what makes it very threatening, right? And that's a pretty big escalation to have a strike enabling Patriot missile system uh set up in Ukraine. If that were to actually get set up, uh you know, that would mean right on Russia's border, you've got you got a strike enabling system. So Ukraine would be able to strike inside of Russia with missiles and deflect any response that would come from Russia. That's why it's so much of a concern. Uh the other thing, >> sorry to cut you off, but I just want to plant a little flag there because it seems like this is a terrible
20:20development in multiple ways. Number one, it suggests that there's no plan to end the conflict before these Patriot missile systems are up and running, right? And number two, um that whole thing that they said there that that that you know, George Orwell, well, this is an escalation in the hopes of making a deal. Doesn't this make a deal much less likely? like if we're equipping Ukraine with this weaponry that we then plan on parking right on Russia's border, doesn't that make a deal with Russia harder, not easier?
20:50>> Well, it certainly gives leverage in the negotiations and that often, you know, the way negotiations are done, uh there's an element of like, well, I'll give you this. Well, I I have this over you, so you have to give me that. I mean, it could certainly play a role in in negotiations for sure. I mean, the fact that that, you know, they would get a license to set this up. Um, that's certainly a factor. The other thing that's not getting any attention though in American media in addition to Ukraine, you know, resorting to terrorism is the draft riots. No one's talking about that. They've been dragging every last old man and every
21:24young man off the street. And recently, we've seen Ukrainians go out and just, you know, target military vehicles with big crowds. They're they don't want to be drafted to fight in this war. Um, and the public, I mean, they're just, they've given up so many lives. You know, it's infuriating for me. I'm here in New York City, and every so often you'll see, I call them the Ukrainia, right? Uh, the fanatical anti-Russian extremists that you'll see, they'll be out here, and there'll be guys my age and younger out there with Ukrainian flags. Oh, I hate Russia. Well, why don't you go back to Ukraine and fight
21:54them, right? Uh, you know, I mean, why don't you go back and fight? Because, I mean, they're dragging every last young man off the street to have his life thrown away in this conflict. I think Marjgerie Taylor Green and others have talked about how Ukraine is going to come out of this conflict no matter how it ends with a whole generation of young men missing. On top of that, uh all of their crops, uh their ability to grow crops as like the bread basket of Europe is going to be very much decimated uh by the fact that there's bullets with depleted uranium being shot every day.
22:23And that has an impact on your ability to grow crops. And so Ukraine's going to be agriculturally crippled coming out of this conflict. Ukraine has gotten royally screwed. uh uh by this war. And I mean it's like imagine that that you know you had a friend and your friend was constantly trying to get you into fights with someone who's 10 times your size. Are they really your friend? Uh you know I mean I mean the the narrative that we all got at the beginning of the conflict in 2022 is like America just cares about Ukrainians so much. You care about Ukrainians so much. Wouldn't you want them to get along with their very
22:54important neighbor Russia? Of >> course. uh and and Ukraine is just being used as a proxy to attack Russia, to kill Russian civilians. And uh the feeling was that in the leadup to the NATO summit, uh Zalinsky, I mean, he's losing the war and that he escalated his attacks on civilians in Russia to basically say to the NATO countries, look, I may not be able to win this war, but I'll be useful in just carrying out attacks against Russia, so keep funding me. Uh that was the message that he was sending. Basically, just keep giving me money and weapons. I'm gonna lose the war, sure, but while I'm losing, I'll
23:26keep killing Russians and I'll keep antagonizing Russia. So, you know, you you can keep funding me even though I'm losing the war. I mean, it's it's an utter outrage. And people compare Zalinsky to Netanyahu, right? Netanyahu needs the war to keep going or else he'll be impeached. He'll he'll lose his standing. Zalinsky. Everyone knows that his inner circle of cronies are lining their pockets with all the billions of dollars pouring into Ukraine. And that when this war ends, he's going to be on a helicopter out of the country to a hiding place where he and his family will live off of this war and the
23:55billions and billions of dollars of American taxpayer money we poured into this war uh for the rest of their lives.
24:00I mean, it's one of the most cynical things. And remember, Zillinsky was elected on a peace platform, right? He ran against uh the the hardliners uh saying that he would improve things with Russia. he would implement the Minsk agreement, etc. And the Ukrainian people voted for Zalinski way back in the day, hoping that he would move them away from this war happening. Uh, and then he got in and he found out he's not really in charge. Ukraine lost its sovereignty in 2014 when the USA overthrew their government. And Ukraine is just basically a proxy of the NATO powers used to antagonize and attack Russia.
24:33And even though he was elected on the peace platform, he ended up being the the guy who presided over this conflict.
24:39So, I mean, it's it's really cynical and it's frustrating to see that American media doesn't tell you about the terrorism and the targeting of civilians. You know, that really doesn't serve a military purpose for Ukraine. I mean, they're just killing Russian civilians right now. Uh, and also doesn't tell you about the draft riots.
24:53The Ukrainians don't want to fight. They they don't want to fight this war. Um, and they're not telling us about any of that. And now we're hearing about these Patriot missiles. I mean, I I certainly hope this war doesn't go on for three to five more years. Uh, so that they have time to set all of this up. And I don't know where they're going to get the supply chain to make all the parts, but yeah, this is definitely a bad situation. And if we get a Patriot missile system set up right on Russia's border, uh, you think we're going to have better relations with Russia anytime soon? I don't think so. Only two
25:22other countries, Japan and Germany, can do the Patriot missile thing. And now we're going to let Ukraine do the Patriot missile thing? They're going to they're going to join this club.
25:30>> Yeah. No, I mean it it it seems like it can only invite more violence and more war. And that's why I say like I don't know how much it strengthens your hand in negotiations. If the war is only going one way, then any provocation is going to just be seen as license to continue the war on Russia's part. They know that they have the upper hand long term. And so to me, it's it's only a question of uh how many pe I mean, look, it's the age-old question of war. It's, you know, I think Jeremy Corbin said at at the start of this war, all wars end in talking. It's just a matter of time.
26:05It's just it's just a question of how many people have to die between you figure between, you know, the time the war starts and the time that that you figure that out. But as far as Trump is concerned, what what's your what what's your take on on his role in all of this?
26:20Because I remember when Biden was president, I think one of the things that redpilled a lot of people when Biden was president is the fact that he was such a non- entity that people saw right through him uh and to his deep state handlers, be it Anthony Blinken or Jake Sullivan, who were the real foreign policy architects uh of his administration. Now, Trump, because he's much more of a commanding presence as a person, uh, attracts a lot more attention as a so-called strong leader, but, uh, his words on this seem to be just as empty, uh, as Joe Biden's. In other words, I mean, just look at look at what we're seeing now. I mean, when
27:01when Marco Rubio talks, you get the sense that he's the one running this, just like when, you know, Anthony Blinkin talked, you got the sense during the Biden years that he was the one running this. like it seems like Trump is just as much a non- leader as Joe Biden was at the end of the day. What do you think about that?
27:17>> Well, let's talk about this in terms of Trump's 2024 election campaign and how we got here because Trump was supposed to end this war in 24 hours. Remember, as soon as he got in, he was going to end this war. And you know, it's been been a long time. Uh that there's a little bit of like complicated 4D chess here. The Democrat party, the party of Joe Biden, has always had a contradictory aspect to it. And this goes back to the 1920s. You can go back to the 1800s. They've had this aspect that they are on the one hand they are the party of the wealthy old money liberal establishment of New England.
27:50The Rockefellers, the Dupants, the Carnegies, the you know the foreign policy think tanks. On the other hand, they are the party of the urban political machines. Tamonn Hall in New York City, Rizzo's machine in Philadelphia. uh you know, you've got uh Mayor Daly and the old Daily machine in Chicago and those kind of nepotistic corrupt urban political machines on the one hand and on the other hand kind of the ultra rich New England liberal establishment that has kind of plans for, you know, dominating the world long term. And that's been like a contradiction. And what we saw during the 2024 campaign was RFK threw his hat
28:25into the ring as a candidate, as somebody who opposed the vaccine mandates, which a lot of public employees in cities lost their jobs over. He threw his hat into the ring as somebody who wanted peace with Russia.
28:37And he represented that that urban political machine wing of the Democratic party, which in some ways is more socially conservative. You know, a lot of the cops and firemen are are Roman Catholic. They're not too they're certainly weren't into Black Lives Matter. They're certainly not excited about, you know, about, you know, the LGBT thing. A lot of them are are more traditional and conservative and and you had that layer of an important part of the Democratic party's apparatus in major cities, which is public employees, cops, firemen, urban political machines kind of asserting itself and saying,
29:06"We're not happy about vaccine mandates getting a lot of us fired. We're not happy about the kind of wokeation of the Democratic party." and RFK kind of threw down and a section of the Democratic party that maybe doesn't have as many numbers but is very important in governing, right? If you're going to govern, you need cops, you need firemen, you need that urban political machine, you need it if you're going to govern.
29:27Uh it was them kind of asserting themselves and saying no to Kla Harris.
29:31Trump recruited them and he brought them in and RFK was was for Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and and all of them. And that there was a that layer went in for Trump and that layer seems to be more anti-war. um and uh they were brought in and that's why Trump was able to win if he hadn't recruited that layer. He probably wouldn't have won if RFK hadn't been there at Madison Square Garden at Tulsa Gabbard. And it was it was that those urban machines that are more socially conservative uh but more anti-war. Um and in some cases you can even argue they're a little bit more socialistic in terms of economics uh
30:03than uh than the the kind of woke wing of the Democratic party. uh they they're the ones that won the election for Trump and then Trump got into office and proceeded to uh uh snub them and now his administration has basically purged them all. Uh you know Tulsi Gabbard is out. I mean RFK is I guess he's still in office but before Tulsi Gabbard went out uh RFK's daughter-in-law resigned uh from the office of the director of national intelligence. um and that Trump is basically repudiating the people who got him elected, that kind of lower level of of the Democratic Party machine that went over to Trump's camp. And I think
30:37that's the issue here and that the war in Iran is a big part of it. Um and I mean it was really good that Tulsi Gabbard was able to reveal that Russia Gate was a hoax. I mean, you know, the pages and pages she revealed about about how Russia Gate, you know, the whole Russia Gate story was just completely fiction. That did not get enough attention in mainstream media at I mean, we have the documents that Russia did not interfere to get Trump elected. It didn't happen. Uh, and the the intelligence community did multiple assessments showing that if Russia had wanted to help Trump get elected, they
31:08very well could have. They had all kinds of data on Hillary Clinton, they chose not to release. Russia did not help Trump. Tulsi Gabbard revealed that. Good for her. Uh, and then Tulsi Gabbard also revealed a lot of the foul play uh regarding the Bolabs.
31:22uh you know that we were told, oh that's a conspiracy theory. Well, no, it's true. The US government has biolabs all over the world that are doing gain of function research trying to figure out how to make germs more deadly. And there were a number of biolabs in Ukraine.
31:37Russia was not lying about that. We now have the proof from Tulsa Gabbard. But other than that, uh that wing uh that layer of the Democratic machine that went over to Trump and got him elected has been fully repudiated. Uh, meanwhile, who was who did we just see in the video kind of articulating the policy? Marco Rubio, right? And Marco Rubio is a neoonservative fanatic. And you know, Marco Rubio, this is what I really wish people would remember, right? You know, you know, put your ideology aside, whatever. Just think about this in a purely pragmatic way.
32:05Marco Rubio is a Miami Cuban, right?
32:07He's from a constituency, a community of people that fled Cuba after the Cuban Revolution, set up shop in Miami.
32:14There's all kinds of stuff. you know, Luis Posata who blew up an airline full of school children, you know, you know, a terrorist, all kinds of organized crime of anti-Cuban networks and stuff set there in Florida. Do you think Marco Rubio cares about America? Do you think he's waking up every day and saying, "How can the lives of Americans get better?" No. That constituency they're concerned about, they want revenge against Fidel Castro. They want they want revenge against the Cuban Revolution. And the same for the Ludnik, the fanatical Israel lobby folks. Do you think they care about America? You think
32:45they're sitting up every day, how can America become a more prosperous and peaceful place? No, they they want to advance Israel's interest. They want to fight Iran to the last uh to the last dollar of American taxpayer money. And and the neoconservative establishment is very much tied in with kind of a network of these communities that were built up by the United States during the Cold War as proxies against the Soviet Union, as proxies against communism. And largely US foreign policy has been taken over by these kind of foreign interests that started out maybe as proxies of the United States. But you could argue that
33:17US foreign policy is largely a proxy of them at this point, right? I mean, you know, the Shaw of Sunset Park, right? Uh do you think that they care about America? No. They want they want to get Iran back, right? Um you can make so many the Epoch Times, that's a really big part of conservative media now and conservatism. the the fall & gong fanatical religious extremists that want to overthrow the Chinese government, they don't care about America. And these kind of foreign policy interest groups that are very very much an important part of the neoconservative wing of American politics, uh, they've taken
33:47over. And as a result, uh, you know, when Trump says he wants America first, I mean, that's not how he's governing. I mean, and you know, Marco Rubio doesn't represent America first. He represents kind of defending an international system with different groups of fanatics that the United States has armed and trained and cultivated over the years that have their own agenda.
34:06>> Yeah. No, it's it's the biggest scam in the modern history of American politics.
34:12They don't even talk about this country anymore. They all they all this administration talks about is what they're going to start with other countries all over the world. You know, Iran, and now you know this saber rattling war with Russia, Venezuela.
34:25We're going to hit Cuba next. I mean, all they do is talk about war. That's all they talk about is war. The the only domestic agenda uh piece that they've tried to deliver on are the mass deportations. And we have another ICE murder in the streets that we're going to talk about at the end of the show.
34:41But, uh, no, it's just been it's just been an absolute horror. Uh, all right, we're going to move on to another segment. I'm just going to reset this.
34:48Welcome to the Jimmy Door Show, everybody. A Weiss here with special guest Caleb MPIN. Uh, so I wanted to show you this poll, Caleb. Uh, interesting study here. A NATO aligned think tank of all organizations recently carried out a global poll asking who is the greatest threat to the world. They didn't get the answer they were expecting. So, spoiler alert, the United States is in blue. So, that gives you a pretty good idea of uh which country is the greatest threat to world peace according to populations in all these different countries. And what do you notice that um the United States is colored blue which means that America is
35:27seen as the greatest threat to world peace by Americans.
35:31So uh that is quite the result. We're going to dig into this a little more.
35:34Major study shows world sees USA as biggest threat and prefers China from geopolitical economy. A comprehensive study that surveyed tens of thousands of people in nearly a hundred countries found that the vast majority see the United States as the biggest threat to the world. At the time, more and more nations say they prefer China over the US. China's approval rating has risen dramatically in the global south in particular where support for the US has plummeted. These were the results of the 2026 Democracy Perception Index, an annual study conducted by a group called the Alliance of Democracies. The
36:13Alliance of Democracies cannot in any way be accused of being pro-China or anti-US. Yeah, with a name like that, I think that's probably true. The organization was founded by Anders Fog Rasmusen, the former Secretary General of NATO and right-wing ex-p prime minister of Denmark. It is also funded by a who's who of European governmental bodies, major US corporations, US government linked groups, and even Taiwan. Some of the organizations that finance the Alliance of Democracies include Palunteer, Microsoft, the EU's European Endowment for Democracy, the right-wing Atlas Network, the US government sponsored Freedom House, and
36:53the Taiwan Foundation for Democracy.
36:55Well, they're not very good at rigging data, I guess, uh, because they weren't able to rig these polls in their favor.
37:01Despite these links, the group's 2026 Democracy Perception Index came to some conclusions about that will doubtless infuriate hawks and cold warriors in Washington. The survey asked 23,968 respondents in 84 countries which nation they considered to be quote the biggest threat to the world. Most people in 65 out of the 84 countries says the United States is the largest danger. Another 10 countries, almost all in Europe, said Russia is the biggest threat. Seven in West Asia and North Africa said Israel.
37:37Well played. Uh Israel said Iran. Ha.
37:40And Japan said China. Look at that. Uh so yeah, this is the graphic that was in the first tweet that we showed you. As you can see, the United States far and away winner in most countries uh that were pulled, including the United States. Yes. Uh the Democracy Perception Index likewise surveyed people in 97 nations and asked if they think the US should have military bases in your country. Most people in 86 countries said no. There was only clear support for US military bases in four out of the 97 surveyed nations, Israel, Poland, Puerto Rico, and South Korea. So, should the United States have military bases in
38:21your country? The darker red, the more the answer was no. As you can see, world colored pretty much all in hot pink and red. 86 oppose US bases for support US bases. Moreover, the study asked people in 98 countries what they think about the US war against Iran. This is interesting. A plurality of nations, 41 of the 98 supported Iran. Only 28 said they side with the US. The other 29 were divided or not clear. So the bluer it is, the more support for the United States. The more orange, the more support for Iran. And you can see there, the image speaks for itself. And yes, once again, even the United States
39:09believes that the world's biggest threat is the United States. Now, you write in your book, you have a book out here, uh, called Imperialism and Anti-Imperialism, which we're going to talk about a little more thoroughly, uh, in a little while.
39:23Um but I feel like you know the themes of this book which is basically a summation of your your life's work you know lectures and writings speeches and such really address the question of imperialism and anti-imperialism as being a sort of a a main political dividing point and when you have I think uh a a plurality of respondents inside the United States saying that the United States is the biggest threat to world peace. I think what you're seeing is a rise in consciousness around the macro issue of empire and the damage that not only that causes throughout the world but that the damage that that invites
40:08here at home and so you have any thoughts about the the findings of this uh survey? Well, I I guess I want to start out uh by saying I'm not a lawyer.
40:19Uh but I do know that in the legal profession and in courts of law, there's something that they call a statement against interest. And that's when uh somebody makes kind of a revelation uh that that you know doesn't help them make their case. Uh and that's what I found particularly enlightening there where you revealed that this study wasn't paid for by anti-American groups or something like that. It was paid for by all these kinds of pro-war neoconservative foundations, but yet they got this result. And that points to you know that there are two types of media in this country. You have mainstream media that is kind of there
40:57to give the perspective and you know guide us to support the powers that be.
41:02But then you have other types of media that's much more about data collection.
41:06uh that is about actually trying to assess where we're at so that you know the rich and powerful and the the leaders uh who are making strategies can look at the actual data on the ground and make their decision right and that often in my writings I'll cite like the CIA world fact book for example right that's that's similar to this whereas they want to know what people actually think whoever you know the did this study the various foundations you listed there they didn't do this study because they wanted to make the case for for US interventions or whatever they wanted to find out what people actually think so
41:36based on that they can act accordingly.
41:38So that's that's where this study came from. And I I mean I think we can just look at the reason for this as being the actual results of US interventions.
41:47Libya once had the highest life expectancy on the African continent. It was the most prosperous country in Africa. People were going there from all over the African continent because Gaddafi had a policy that any African could get a job if they came to Libya.
42:02They built the world's largest irrigation system, the great man-made river. They were talking about creating an African bank that would have its own currency that would engage in development throughout the region. And in 2011, NATO went in and bombed and destroyed Libya. And that country has been devastated ever since. It's been quite some time uh since 2011, but the results for Libya have been catastrophic. Open air slave markets, people drowning in the Mediterranean trying to get out of there. I mean, Libya has just been wrecked. So, uh, is it good for the United States to intervene? And the whole thing about US
42:36military bases, I thought that was amusing, right? So, we're always taught that, you know, Russia is a big threat to the world, China's a big threat to the world. Well, uh, how many overseas military bases does Russia have? Four.
42:47How many overseas military bases does China have? One. In the African country of Djibouti, how many does America have?
42:53At least 800. Many some studies say if you count different things as military bases we've got thousands but at least 800 overseas military bases. So who is it who's a threat to the world and I think people can very well see that um you know I mean I mean the idea that we should be upset about China's one overseas military base or you know China you know setting up you know military protections in the South China Sea. Uh you know I mean you know that'd be like us having you know military protections in the Gulf of Mexico. Uh I guess it's the Gulf of America now thanks to Trump.
43:24But uh you know I mean it it makes perfect sense uh why countries would view US military bases as unfavorable.
43:31Also you know US military bases have been associated. If you go for example in South Korea there have been a lot of riots against US military bases because there are nasty things that go on near those bases. things like prostitution, uh things like criminal activities, and you know that when when a US military base sets up in your country, it's not exactly good for the neighborhood, right? It's not a really great thing.
43:52You know, when a military base from the United States sets up shop uh in your area, it doesn't make the the neighborhood very prosperous and all that. There's a lot of shady activities associated with military bases. That's my initial reaction to that study.
44:05>> Uh yeah. No, it's um it is very illuminating that uh you see Americans kind of broadly speaking because it doesn't delve into the percentages but broadly speaking there is consensus that yes this empire has become a destructive force in in the world and back to what we were talking about earlier and back to what you know how I always my highest hopes for Donald Trump even though I never supported or voted voted for Donald Trump. His politics were never my politics. Um what my highest hopes for him is that he could bring the empire in for a softer landing than say the neocons like Joe Biden or going back to
44:502016 Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush. And in his first term, he kind of gestured that that was a goal of his. As much as there was a lot of hostility uh towards a lot of these geopolitical foes, you did see like a diplomatic trip to North Korea, right? Um and it just has not turned out that way. Why do you think that is? Was there something that that that happened between his first term and his second term with say a certain uh ally of ours who became very thirsty for a certain war that they may or may not have dragged him into?
45:29>> Well, I I think that is a factor, but also it really just gets down to the fact that Trump's wishes uh are not what define things. uh that there is a huge structure in this country to back up a military-industrial complex and one person might get in there and have different feelings. I think Trump just wants to get elected. I think Trump, you know, he'll say whatever needs to be said and I think he's kind of a selfish person, but Americans don't want these wars and have voted over and over again to oppose these wars, but uh they don't have the power. And if we really want to stop these wars, we need a mass
46:01movement. I mean, that's the only thing that'll really stop it is we need people to be in the streets and we need there to be big, massive anti-war demonstrations. We need a culture of people that are educated about anti-imperialism developing. That's the only thing that's going to stop this.
46:15And that we can go to the polls again and again and again and vote for people on the right that oppose war, vote for people on the left that oppose war, and we're not going to get it unless there's a real movement that can challenge the power structure. uh and that uh you know I mean a lot of politicians probably get in there thinking oh I want to stop these wars because that's what the polls show and that's what Americans vote for but then they realize that the power is in the hands of other forces.
46:36>> Yeah. Yeah. And uh now there's an effort to call a movement like that communism which brings us to our our third piece.
46:43So I'll reset quickly here. Welcome back to the Jimmy Door Show everyone. Katon Weiss here with special guest Caleb MPIN. Uh Caleb, you were uh a a rare voice of sanity over the July 4th weekend, which would have been uh last weekend uh where the Red Scare was just reignited over the course of those uh few days uh after the DSA candidates uh had a great night in New York. The line in Republican circles uh was that communism uh had taken root in America and that the communist revolution was on. And this seems to be their Hail Mary pitch. Uh so pardon the mixed metaphor there. Hail Mary pass for the for the uh
47:29midterms. Uh so here's one of the more unhinged ads here uh by Tennessee's Marsha Blackburn uh vowing to uh keep Tennessee uh communist free.
47:43>> Going to [music] crack down on China?
47:46Well, here's a clue. Marsha Blackburn worked with President Trump to take on communist [music] China. As governor, Marsha will fight to protect Tennessee land from Chinese front companies, close loopholes, and hunt down every communist who tries to [music] defy us.
48:02>> It doesn't take a fortune cookie to figure it out. Here in Tennessee, we're [music] going to stop communist China and protect Tennessee land.
48:12>> That resonates in Tennessee, known around the country for its great Chinese food. That's the best Chinese food in America. Everybody knows is in Knoxville in Chattanooga. Uh but uh hey, just a little note here from Blue Georgia.
48:25Fortune cookie is an American invention.
48:27You're destroying something American is 100% on brand. Uh but Donald Trump renewed his anti-communist uh rhetoric at the NATO summit this week. This is a couple days old. We'll play this just as a reminder.
48:44>> Oh, this is the IPO Times. You mentioned them in the last segment.
48:47>> Tao, >> who you with?
48:49>> Why don't you say your name and who you're with? They're always helpful.
48:52>> Thank you, Mr. President, for doing this. Iris Tao with NTD with Assist Media with the Epoch Times on communism.
48:58You've been issuing a wakeup call to Americans at home about the dangers of communism. And now you're speaking on the world stage. What's your message to people both living under communist and socialist regimes, but also people living under democracies like in Europe and America who might not have realized how close communism has come to home.
49:18>> Yeah, that's a great question actually.
49:20But look, I want to get the word out because what's forming is communism in the country and communism's easy to sell. I would be the greatest communist in history. I'd be right up there with Lenin. I'd be I'd be as good as anybody.
49:34You've got free rent. year. I >> for the rest of your life. What they don't say is that you'll be living in squalor in 12 months. You've got the free house. Would anybody like to have a free house? We'll take it away from somebody. We'll give it to you. You'll have murders all over the place.
49:48Communism is a disaster. It's been proven to be for thousands of years under different names, but same thing.
49:55[laughter] It's um very important. And you know, it's >> Okay. So that was that was all weekend long on the July 4th uh weekend because he gave two speeches about communism uh the last week and now here he is. And of course this is what they're going to hammer on now that what three or four DSA candidates won primaries in in blue cities. Uh this is their opening now uh to create this sort of anti-communist message going into the midterms. But as you've pointed out on X and you did a whole stream about this, which I was able to to catch a good deal of. I thought it was great. You said, "Happy Fourth of July. Let's have the dumbest
50:35argument ever about communism."
50:37Um, you've talked about just the the level of willful ignorance in this country and a an absolute refusal to learn the first thing about this red menace that a lot of no offense but boomers have spent their whole lives sort of hiding under their blankets from uh the idea that communism is about taxation and redistribution is of course completely historically illiterate. Um, I know that and I I'm not half as smart as as you. So, do you want to explain to people uh not only the difference between what Trump is talking about and communism, but about why this country just refuses to even learn the first
51:21thing about what they're talking about when it comes to this whole communist debate? And I'm not even necessarily making an argument for communism. I'm just saying uh if if anything it accentuates just how ridiculous this whole debate is because the DSA is barely socialist much less communist.
51:37>> Yeah. I mean one thing that is frustrating about hearing this kind of level of you know new right-wing conservative rhetoric against communism they can never agree about what communism is. They don't what are you against? Right? And sometimes communism is uh increasing taxes and increasing the social programs. Then you heard Trump there just saying communism is where the government gives everyone a free house. I guess that's his definition of communism. They take someone's house and give it to you. And uh you know if if you ever point to China's economic successes because China is now the second largest economy in the
52:12world led by a communist party. They say oh well that's because they're capitalists. That's because they're capitalist. But if China ever does anything bad, well that's because they're communists and communists are just so bad. And they can never agree on what communism actually is. Right? And if if communism is everyone gets a free house, well, I thought communists didn't believe in private property. I I mean, it doesn't make any sense. They they can't. Communism is bad. They know it's bad. Uh but they don't know what it is.
52:34And they have no absolute definition of what it is. And you know, uh sometimes in a lot of the rhetoric, they think communism is taxation. And that seems to be, you know, the DSA program that Mumani got elected on that these these new folks won the primaries with is we want to increase the welfare state. We want to, you know, raise taxes on the millionaires and billionaires. Use it to provide free buses, free health care, free education, things like that. Well, that kind of thing goes on in every country. I mean, in every society. I mean, taxes, right? Go back to Robin Hood. Go back to the Roman Empire.
53:03People pay taxes, right? Redistribution of wealth. We have this idea that communism is redistribution of wealth.
53:08Well, you know, redistribution of wealth and taxation goes on in any society. The American Constitution has eminent domain in it to allow the government to seize property. I mean, that's kind of what governments do. Communism as an ideology, right? Trump said thousands of years. What's he talking about?
53:24Thousands of years. I mean, 1848, Karl Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto. Uh, that was the notion that there were two classes, the workers and the employers, those who own the factories and those who work in them. The working class was the majority. And that capitalism has a unique problem that had never existed before, which is poverty created by abundance. Right? Glut. Uh never before in history had you had a situation where people became homeless because there were too many houses where people became hungry because there's too much food.
53:54And this is really important in light of AI that the more efficient production becomes the more unstable the economy becomes. And that's >> yes >> that's the built-in problem of capitalism. So when technology is zooming ahead like it is in our time we're all of a sudden going to have all kinds of economic problems. Why should self-driving cars be a bad thing in a rational society? It'd be great to have self-driving cars. That would mean that this job called driving is no longer necessary. Human labor power could be elsewhere expended. But, you know, Andrew Yang pointed out in the New York Times that if we had self-driving cars,
54:25US society would collapse. There'd be riots in the streets. Millions of taxi drivers, Uber drivers, traffic court employees, state highway patrolman out of work, we it would be an economic disaster that we'd have to, you know, recover from in the process of huge amounts of turmoil. That's not rational, right? And so Marx is seeing all of this and he's saying the working-class majority uh you know outnumbers the capitalists. So the working class should take control of the government and centralize the instruments of production, centralize the means of production and organize them rationally.
54:54So this problem doesn't exist. This problem of poverty amid plenty is eliminated and human creativity can advance and we can create vast abundance for all with a an economy that is rationally organized. Capitalism, as Markx understood it, is production organized for profit. uh the anarchy of production is a phrase that he used and the antidote to it is what he called the the dictatorship of the proletariat or the rule of the people. The idea is we live under the rule or the dictatorship of the rich and powerful but we need to win the battle for democracy as he put it and have the workingclass majority
55:27take control of the state. That's Markx.
55:29Then you know you fast forward uh you know 40 50 years it didn't happen right?
55:33Markx was predicting that in Europe the poor would just keep getting poorer. The economy would become more and more unstable. In the leadup to World War I, that wasn't happening. And so you had what they called the crisis of Marxism.
55:43Why wasn't this happening? Well, it was happening because capitalism had moved into a new stage called imperialism where big banks dominated the world and big corporations in the west were exporting themselves all over the world and keeping nations in poverty and seizing the uh the natural resources of developing countries and and the western countries were stabilizing and their economy was becoming more stable while they were colonizing countries around the world. And the climax of that was World War I, which was a horrendous war where 20 million people died. And what were they fighting over? It was that the
56:16Americans and the British and the French colonialists and imperialists wanted to run the world. And the German and Austrian and Turkish imperialists, they wanted a chunk of the world for themselves. And 20 million people died fighting over who got to dominate the world economy. Uh, one of the most horrendous wars humanity had ever seen.
56:32And the socialist movement that Marx had built didn't really oppose it. They said they were against it, but when the war started, they they changed their minds and sold out. So, Lenon in Russia develops a whole new theory uh where he says capitalism has entered this new stage of imperialism and that socialism isn't going to come into the world as a result of the worker fighting against his employer. It'll be rather the oppressed nation struggling against imperialism, struggles for national liberation and Marxism, Leninism, the cold war ideology of the Soviet Union.
57:01That's what you can call communism. Um, and it's a big influence on the world that we live under. I mean, you know, I mean, I mean, it's a huge impact. I mean, you know, Russia became a superpower with five-year economic plans, defeated the Nazis, invented space travel. China, you know, started on its course of national rejuvenation and national rebirth as a result of the the Communist Party, and loads of anti-colonial movements were aided and supported by the Soviet Union, including the black liberation movement in America. The Soviet Union very much aided and and highlighted the oppression of black people in America and opposed
57:33Jim Crow. But regardless, right, that particular ideology, Marxism, Leninism, is really not anywhere in the world.
57:40Now, China, they practice socialism with Chinese characteristics where, you know, they have a centrally planned economy, but they allow private investment and they have kind of a a five-year economic plan, but it's about, you know, kind of utilizing the market to make the country overall more prosperous. Iran has never been a Marxist country, right? It's the Islamic revolution, not capitalism, but Islam. Uh you have the Bolivarian movement in Latin America that has elements of Marxism, but also elements of the indigenous culture and tradition.
58:09Also a lot of influence of Roman Catholicism and liberation theology and classic cold war Marxism, Leninism is not really around anymore. And so that's why a lot of this conservative media, it's frustrating to listen to because your typical conservative podcast consists of, you know, aren't these woke people really, really annoying? And they highlight something annoying or silly woke people are doing and then they're all communists and then some cold war horror show about millions killed by Mao and Stalin and all of this and then, you know, proof that some woke person somewhere had a copy of Mao's red book
58:41or voted somebody and that's why the left are all bad and it's just completely silly. I mean, it's just completely silly and it it's embarrassing. It's really really embarrassing uh that that this is what passes for discourse in America because Marxism, Leninism is one of the biggest political movements in human history. It really defined the 20th century. And there are all kinds of anti- capitalist and anti-colonial movements around the world that that have a lineage that goes back to that uh but have kind of moved onto a different approach. Uh and in America, we're you know, it's like, oh, you know, Manny wants to give us free
59:12buses. Well, that's communism. Stalin killed a million people. It's like, oh god, you know, that's where we're at in America.
59:18>> Yeah. No, of course. And even like look, a policy like Medicare for all, right?
59:22Uh that where in that is the transfer of the means of production from the private sector to the state. It's nowhere. You'd still have private doctors. You'd still have private pharmaceutical companies.
59:33You'd still have private hospitals.
59:35You'd still have private medical device companies, medical transport company.
59:39Like it would all remain in private hands. is no fundamental transfer of the means of production which means it's not communism like what you said is is just so key that every government takes money and redistributes it that that does not make communism and it's such a lazy argument because even when you look I mean you live in New York and uh when we see uh you know people go after Zoran Mandani or even these DSA candidates who just fun, they do so in the laziest sort of half-ass way, which is to just smear them as socialists or communists. Notice they they don't really mention uh why uh it's it's a bad
60:23thing uh that working people could get a rent freeze. They they don't seem to really engage on like how this is going to make your life worse. They say the landlords aren't going to be able to fix the buildings, which of course is not true. I think people are leasing more corporate office space now than they were when Mandani took over, which was a complete uh rejection of their forecast.
60:44They said there's going to be this mass exodus in New York City. The companies are going to move out. Has not happened.
60:49So, it's all just fear-mongering over a a word. And I guess that resonates with people who are I look, I don't say this to pick on the boomers. It's just you guys are the ones who are old enough to have these horror stories in your mind about what communism is. I think that explains a lot of the generational divide. U at what point are we going to be able to just move past this?
61:13Especially since there is no communist uh threat, if you even want to call it that. There is no meaningful communist movement in the United States. Certainly none represented by the DSA. Like I said, they're barely even socialist.
61:26They're really social democrats, right?
61:28>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean you go around the world uh governments have free bus systems all over the world. You know the Canadian health care system as you said Medicare for all that would just be the government as a single insurer. There would be no governmentr run hospitals. There's no governmentr run healthcare companies that are I mean it's just basically just the government as the singlepayer insurer. I mean uh but yet we we think that's communism and and and then right there's that hypocrisy right you know on the one hand uh you know Medicare for all or even Obamacare which was I mean nowhere close
61:58to Medicare for all well that's communism right we can't have that it's communism but then China you point to the fact that China has had all these successes under the leadership of the communist party well oh that's capitalism and it's like they've got governmentr run banks they've got huge governmentr run industries they have fiveyear economic plans even private corporations are told what they can can and cannot do in accordance with government overall planning of the economy. That's total free market capitalism. So you can't, you know, celebrate their success and say it's an example of that. And then of course, if
62:27you ever bring up, you know, the problems of capitalism in America, these same people say, "Well, that's cuz we don't have real capitalist." Right.
62:32Right. We're socialists. But then they'll point to America's wealth and prosperity and say, "Oh, well, we're so rich because we're capitalists." Well, I thought you said we weren't really capitalists. The constant moving of the goalpost. Uh it's nostalgia. And you know, when you talked about boomers, it's it's not even that these kids, they grew up as kids fearing communism. It's it's that that they used to feel good about America. And that's really what it gets down to. That they used to feel like America was the good guy in the world, that we were fighting the commies. Ronald Reagan was making
63:02America great again. We we thought when the war happened that we were the good guys. Nobody feels that way any anymore.
63:09They just don't. Right. I mean, you showed the polls earlier in the earlier segment. We did pe in America. We think America is the greatest threat to world peace. People just don't feel good about this country and its political and economic system anymore. And so Trump getting up there and talking like he's in the middle of the Cold War uh is a way to like remind them of a time when they felt differently. And you know, it's sad because people want to like their country. I don't think there's anything wrong with being patriotic. I don't think there's anything wrong with loving your country. Uh you know, and
63:34that people want to feel like their leaders are doing the good thing. They want to feel like they're on the winning team and their country is doing good in the world. But it's not. And we all know it's not. Uh and and that's the the crisis that we're in. And I think Trump is banking on a lot of boomer nostalgia.
63:49And the thing is this is only going to work. I mean give it 10 15 years. This kind of rhetoric is just isn't going to cut it anymore. Um you know and uh I mean I mean the the demographics are changing. I mean you know he's talking about communism is when the government gives you a free house. The rate of home ownership in America is plummeting. Uh you know people our age don't own our own homes. So you're saying well communism means we'll get to own our own homes. Well, that doesn't sound so bad, now does it?
64:13>> Yeah. No, it's a really it's a really interesting point that it's more an invocation of national pride than it is an appeal to any sort of like economic kind of analysis. You know, I think I think that makes a lot of sense because it's not so much nostalgia for the golden age of capitalism as it is nostalgia for the golden age of America and and and a a longing to perceive America as a force for good in the world. the way they grew up thinking.
64:40And yeah, we just covered in a previous segment, even within the walls of the empire, people don't don't feel that way anymore.
64:47>> Yeah. No, totally. And that's the crisis. We're in a moment of extreme pessimism. You know, I remember I I grew up in a small town in the 90s. There used to be this thing that everybody knew, America is the greatest country in the world. And you'd say, well, what do you mean it's the greatest country in the world? And they'd say, you don't think America is the greatest country in the world? you must be brainwashed cuz everybody, you know, and that that uh if you disagreed with US foreign policy, they'd say, "You hate America. You hate America." And like what did that even mean? It was just this thing that people
65:16just went around with this America was this great thing. And if you were questioning things too much and you must hate America, you must be brainwashed because everybody knows America is great. People just don't feel that way anymore. I mean, the the culture on the left or the right, that's just not how people feel. Uh and people realize we're in a pretty big crisis. Wherever you go in this country, people know three things. One, our standard of living is going down. Our life expectancy is going down. Our economy is getting worse. Two, our freedoms are being taken away. Our civil liberties, the government is
65:46coming for us. And three, there's wars going on around the world that are not being waged for our benefit. And that our government's controlled by a group of billionaires and monopolies and wealthy people that really don't care about us. Everybody knows that in America in their bones. Left, right, red state, blue state. That's what everybody knows. The question is what do we do about it? That's the question.
66:07>> Exactly. All right. So, we got one more uh piece. Uh I'll reset here. Welcome to the Jimmy Door Show, everybody. Katon Weiss here with Caleb Mopin. So, Caleb, your new book is a series of writings and lectures of yours called Imperialism and Anti-Imperialism. And I think in particular the Jimmy Door Show audience would be interested to learn about this because um this is a very viewpoint diverse audience on this show. We have kind of a viewpoint diverse audience on our show as well. Um but I think this really speaks to some of the big issues that sort of transcend uh so-called divisions between uh left and right as
66:48they're currently described uh today. So I'll just read a few paragraphs from the introduction which you did not write.
66:53This was written by a guy named Noah Shank, right? Wrote the introduction to your your book here. So, Caleb became the spokesperson for former US Attorney General Ramsey Clark during the Occupy Wall Street occupation of lower Manhattan from September to November of 2011. It was during this time that Kayla began to see the weaknesses of the radical left. When the Obama administration orchestrated the Arab Spring and subsequently participated in the NATO military deposition of the African leader Mar Gaddafi, he became increasingly frustrated with the reaction of many leftists. Because the Arab Spring was framed as a glorious
67:30revolution from below and because Obama was doing it, many on the left refused to criticize it. Many more went so far as to support it. Workers World Party, pandering to the crowd of liberals, wrote articles that opposed the intervention, but framed Gaddafi as a bajgeoisan nationalist. Caleb was furious as the party did almost nothing to oppose the destruction of Libya and instead focused on tailing after trendy liberal causes. While the left abandoned Gaddafi, figures like Alex Jones had Cynthia McKenna on his show to support the Libyan people and libertarians pointed to Gaddafi's plan for an alternative African bank. This moment
68:10stuck with him for years. Friend of mine, his name is Anish Siobhan. He was a great writer. Um, one of his critiques of the Bernie Sanders movement, as much as he was a supporter of it, he said it does not address the question of empire.
68:25Even though you had this left-wing movement in the United States, there is an unwillingness to address the problem of empire, not only as a moral problem, but as a sort of root cause preventing the kind of social democratic reforms that the Bernie movement was advocating.
68:43And so, in the introduction to this book, it mentions Occupy Wall Street, which in many senses was sort of the precursor or the prologue to the Bernie campaign. And you mentioned that from that point through the destruction of Libya, you became very disillusioned with what the book here refers to as the uh quote unquote radical left. And so this book here, Imperialism versus Anti-Imperialism, kind of suggests what I think is a major theme of the Jimmy Door Show and shows like it uh that really emphasize uh not that there's no difference between the left and the right, but that those differences are sort of subservient to
69:27the more transcendent differences between imperialism and anti-imperialism.
69:33what is often framed as establishment versus anti-establishment.
69:38And nowadays, especially since October 7th and the Israeli genocide in Gaza, um left versus right is really not a very good predictor anymore of imperialist versus anti-imperialist. Um not as much as you would think. And so I know that's a lot there, but you got a 500page book about it, so you could take that wherever you'd like. Uh, do you see I'll try to narrow down the question a bit more. Um, do you see a a a broad coalition forming in the United States or around the world for that matter that sort of transcends these old sort of formal political boundaries left right into something a little bit more
70:21transcendent than that?
70:22>> Well, you know, that introduction is referring to, you know, the destruction of Libya. I was in the Occupy Wall Street park in lower Manhattan when the news came that Gaddafi was killed. And there was a big divide in the park between who thought that was great news and who thought that was a travesty.
70:40>> And it was a class divide. Uh it, you know, the people that supported it were the people that were very well-dressed.
70:46I used to call them beautiful occupiers, right? these people that were being paid by some big foundation to run the protest and they came there every day in their their nice clothes and told us where to stand and where to go and coordinated with MSNBC to tell them where to put the cameras and they all thought it was great. Uh and they were all tied in with you know and a lot of them had been in other countries uh staging protest movements in Syria and other places and openly bragged about this. A lot of the the people that were involved in destroying the former Yugoslavia and such you know were were
71:16kind of running things. This is the George Soros Revolution Incorporated apparatus that uh that largely runs American leftism in a lot of ways. But then there were a lot of people like me.
71:26I'm from the Midwest. I'm from a small town in Ohio. A lot of people like me who had come to New York City on a Greyhound bus because they wanted to be part of a movement uh who saw Gaddafi as somebody who was fighting the system, as someone who was building an independent African bank, as somebody who who uh you know who had raised his people up and was opposing the status quo. And a lot of them were libertarian in their perspective or into what you might call conspiracy theories or whatnot, but they got it. They were on Gaddafi's side. Uh whereas the establishment left was on the side of imperialism and and that
71:58really stuck with me. But what you're referring to and this this you know when you talk about Jimmy Door and our willingness to work with people on the right to oppose wars and kind of a populist anti-establishment movement.
72:08Something is happening right now and it's happening in every political movement. This is happening among libertarians. This is happening on the right. This is happening on the left. is that that people with the same ideology are on opposite sides of issues. There are there were people on the left who supported Julian Assange and there were people on the left who didn't. There were libertarians who supported Julian Assange, there were libertarians who didn't. There were right-wingers who supported Julian Assange and there were right-wingers who didn't. And whether it's the war in Iran, the war in
72:33Ukraine, uh you know, the attacks on our civil liberties, I mean, you you can every movement is being divided and they're using the same ideology, but they're on opposite sides. This is very similar to what happened in the leadup to the Second World War. And that's a little bit eerie for, you know, we should that's that should raise some alarm bells. But in the leadup to the Second World War, you know, if you were a leftist and you liked President Roosevelt and you liked Stalin and the labor movement and you want to build socialism, you could join the Communist Party. Uh, and if you were a leftist and
73:01you wanted to build the labor movement and you were inspired by the Russian revolution, but you hated Roosevelt and thought he was a sellout and you hated Stalin and you thought the Soviet Union was bad, you could join this other communist movement called Troskyism, right? Uh, and they had the same ideology. They read the same books, but they were on opposite sides in World War II. And as World War II was getting started, Trosky was telling his followers to launch an anti-war movement. And and he was, you know, coordinating to try and disrupt the US war effort as World War II got going.
73:28But this happened on the right as well.
73:30In Britain, if you were a conservative traditional patriotic young man in Britain and you wanted people to be more moral and loyal to their country, you could join the British Union of Fascists, the black shirts led by Oswald Mosley, and they loved Hitler and they thought Hitler was great. But if you were a conservative traditional British person and you didn't like Hitler, but instead you wanted to work with Roosevelt and you wanted to maybe trade with the Soviet Union, you could join moral rearmament or the Oxford group, which was a very similar movement that carried the British flag around that was
74:00pushing traditional morality and conservatism, but was on the opposite side. In New York City, the Black Liberation Movement, you had the Harlem Renaissance going on, and many black Americans were upset about Jim Crow and upset about the oppression of black people, wanted to do something about it.
74:14And religious organizations have a real important, you know, you know, state role in the black community. And the Nation of Islam was very critical of the US government in World War II. They didn't view Japan as their enemy, as a non-white empire. And they they were certainly critical of of, you know, perceived they they perceived the the way that a lot of Jewish folks donated to the black liberation movement as as improper, etc. So, the Nation of Islam was was rather critical of the Allied side during World War II. But there was father Divine who was a black liberation minister based in Harlem who supported
74:45Roosevelt and worked closely with the communist party and he was building a black liberation movement that was pro-s Soviet Union and pro- Roosevelt and that every ideology is dividing uh because there are different sides in the world and that's happening right now just like it happened in the leadup to the second world war and that should raise some alarm bells because uh there are two sides in the world right now. There is a new economy that has emerged as a result of the anti-colonial revolutions. It I mean it wouldn't be here without the Soviet Union without the Bolsheviks. You know when after the Russian revolution
75:17the Bolsheviks convened the Congress of the peoples of the east in Baku Aubaijan. They said we'll support anybody who's fighting the British Empire, anyone who's fighting Western colonialism. They supported the Amir of Afghanistan, a conservative monarchist because he was battling the British Empire. And it was the Soviet Union that gave aid to the people of the African continent fighting for their national liberation. They gave aid to the people in the Pacific. Anywhere people were fighting against imperialism. And as a result of what happened in the 20th century with the Soviet Union, you have
75:44the BRICS world. You've got the BRICS economy. You've got the belt and road from China. You got the Eurasian economic union of Russia. You got the Bolivarian alternative of Latin America.
75:54You've got the Axis of resistance in the Middle East. The forces battling Israel aligned with Iran like the Houthies, Ansarah, etc. uh Hezbollah, Lebanon, you got this whole new world that has broken out of imperialism. And yet then on top of that, you've got the dying Western financial system. And the way the Western financial system is trying to maintain its dominance is with degrowth.
76:16They're saying stop growth. We need to stop growth because if humanity keeps growing and expanding, they're not going to be at the top anymore. And so they're pushing in the name of environmentalism and climate alarmism, but also in the name of of other stuff this idea that we have just the world has got to stay poor. We've got to stop economic growth.
76:32Um, and if you look at these wars they waged, that's what they're doing. These are countries that broke out of imperialism like Iraq, like Libya, uh, the target countries they're targeting like Russia, like China, like Venezuela that that were fighting to grow, to have economic growth, to assert their economic growth. And they are fighting to keep these countries impoverished. At the same time, they're setting up a low-wage police state here in the western countries, and they're telling us we should just get used to impoverishment, right? You'll own nothing. You'll live in a pod, you'll eat bugs, and you'll be happy about it,
76:59right? That's their their dark vision, right? That they have to stop growth in order to maintain their system. Well, the people around the world want economic growth. They want their children to have a better life than they had. And Americans, we also want economic growth. And the deep state and the American establishment is trying to stop economic growth and set up a police state. And the divide in the world is between the dying western system that is trying to stop growth and trying to you know just kind of shove the baby back into the womb just trying to trying to stop humanity from expanding and growing
77:28and humanity's inherent drive to grow and create and expand and that is the conflict and it's it's getting to a head right I mean we're seeing places like uh Ukraine where this conflict is on the battlefield in Donbas we're seeing you know the war between the USA and Iran that's the conflict in the world today is between the rise rising new economy that wants economic growth and the dying western system of monopolies that are trying to stop growth. The Americans want growth. America is the land of live your dreams and work hard and fulfill your opportunity. People from all over the planet have come to America because
78:02they want growth. They want a better life. And now they're telling us no, we just have to accept poverty. Well, we're not going to do it. And I believe the American people will join the people of the world in their struggle against globalism, imperialism, and that we will have an anti- monopoly coalition in America of Americans that want economic growth and want to trade with the countries of the world that are breaking out of this. The only future America is going to have will be as part of a new economy where we trade with countries around the world on the basis of win-win cooperation. America must join the
78:33rising new world. We must find a way to be part of a multipolar world where we're friendly with Russia, we're friendly with China, where we trade with them. Why don't we hire China to build highspeed railway across America?
78:43Wouldn't it be great if you could get on a train in New York City and in a few hours get off in Los Angeles? Wouldn't that be amazing? Uh, you know, and if China was our friend, we could do something like that. Um, and uh, you know, but but this Western system is going to hold on to power and it's going to be very vicious in order to do it.
78:58But I believe the American people overwhelmingly are starting to understand that their interests are not with this western system. The people of the world are resisting it and we're headed for a big moment. I think the American people are waking up and I think there's an explosion coming and it's not going to be people like you and I that make this explosion. I know a lot of people are listening right now, but that's good. But but ultimately it's going to be the conditions. You have to imagine that there's a giant boulder that's about to roll down the mountain and it's coming. Uh the question is
79:25where is it going to roll? and guys like you and I with our understanding of world events and our our ability to to talk to people, we have the ability to nudge that boulder in the right direction. And the explosion is coming.
79:36The question is where does the explosion go and can it lead to something better?
79:40And I think people like you and I and my organization, the Center for Political Innovation, we're dedicated to making sure that when the explosion comes, it leads to something better. We want to nudge the boulder in the right direction. And that's ultimately the task that we've been handed by history.
79:53And I think it's a challenge and uh that that pessimism is a great place to hide.
79:57If you say there's no hope, the world is going to hell, that's great because there's no obligation on you. Uh but I don't believe that that's the case. I believe we can change the world, but we have to step up and take responsibility and say look, we can we can change the course of history and I think we can do it because the explosion is coming. So that's what I'm all about. And I call this perspective which draws from Marxism, Leninism, which draws from the history of anticolonial movements. call it innovationism. The celebration of human creativity and growth. The idea that human beings are a unique species
80:26that has done what no other species can do in terms of reinventing our relationship with the environment.
80:31That's what my organization CPI is all about. That's what my new book uh goes into in great depth. And we've got a great organization. We're having a convention August 15th in Chicago. Some special guests. It's going to be a great day. And we're doing good stuff. And uh anti-imperialism, a new America beyond globalism and imperialism. That's the kind of future we need to advocate.
80:50>> All right. Well, the book is Imperialism and Anti-Imperialism. Caleb, thanks so much for joining. Let people know where they can follow you before you uh sign off here.
80:59>> Sure. Well, my my group is the Center for Political Innovation, CPIUSa.org.
81:04Uh, you know, you can visit me. I'm on YouTube streaming like every night, and I'm on on Twitter and Facebook. Uh, my name is Caleb Mopin, c- au p i n. I'm always doing different stuff. I've got a lot of books out there, but we're building a movement. What this country needs more than anything is a movement.
81:19Uh there's a lot of great podcasts out there, but it's time for us to get ready for the the coming explosion and build the movement of Americans who can work together and cooperate to spread anti-imperialism, carry out real operations. That's what needs to be done and that's what I am dedicated to building as difficult as it might be.
81:36>> All righty. Well, great to see you.
81:38Always learn so much talking to you, my friend. Thanks for being here today and we'll talk again soon.
81:43>> Sure thing.
81:44>> All righty. Thanks, Caleb. Bye-bye, Caleb. Up and everybody, always great to talk to Caleb. Had a great time this afternoon. We got plenty more coming this afternoon. We're going to take a quick break and be back with Kurt Mezer.
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85:01[music] >> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> All right, everybody. We are back. Got a few chats and rants to read before we bring uh Kurt in. Funky Lollipop says, "Caleb is right. Blowback is real. What do we what we do to other countries will inevitably come back to us." That's right. One Mr. Angel One says, "Define democracy. Didn't it start with Greek land owners?" By the way, who is going to CPI convention in Chicago?
86:52August 15th. That's right. They're having their big convention. Vienticus says, "I'm glad I voted for the guy I did because he's doing the thing I didn't want the other guy to do. Your political teams in a nutshell."
87:02"Everything's a scam. Everything's a lie. Everything Wait, who the is this guy?" says Vienticus. Uh John McCarthy says, "The Uhuru 3 appeal is coming up July 22nd in Atlanta. We are packing the courthouse. CPI will be there. Are Jimmy and Katon coming?" Uh well, I I I'm not going to be at the courthouse. Uh but uh thanks for letting me know about that. But I knew that was in the process of happening. I might want to have somebody from Uhuru on to uh discuss that. As I understand, they are off parole. Uh they're basically free, but they're looking to get that conviction uh overturned, which they
87:38should. Uh Ganon 2D says, "Join CPI and sign up for the August week of anti-imperialist training. CPI is full of interesting, devoted, and smart people. Real anti-imperialists."
87:50Thank you. Eric Huso says, "I don't think Trump's version of communism is what Jackson HL was envisioning with MAGA communism." No, I think you're right about that. Biantica says, "Don't tell me to be for or against anything I don't understand. I'll be for against it all I want." I'll point out again, come together unuse one practice. It means nothing specific. Penny Aaros says, "I learned about a lot about DPRK from CPI.
88:19uh will learn more at the convention August 15th. Thank you for those chats.
88:26All right, everybody. Let's bring in our friend here, Ker Colorado. Kirk Colorado, thanks for making time for us today.
88:35>> I'm a hardcore uh communist and radical Islamist, as you know. Now, in the two episodes, I was radicalized.
88:43>> Islam communist Kirp Colorado.
88:46>> Yes. In the Jackson sense of the word.
88:48Yes. Tidy tidy beard though. Very well-kept beard for an Islam.
88:52>> Oh, it's not. Uh I I do have to give another I gotta give.
88:57>> Yeah, right. [laughter] >> Uh see if your mic is the computer mic or if it's your shirt, right?
89:03>> This every time.
89:04>> Yeah, I make that.
89:05>> It's not the right. No, >> it is or it isn't.
89:07>> I wait. I should wait till it's a better mic.
89:10>> Now it's good. Now it's good. That happens to me all the time. Happens to me all the time. Sometimes uh you know if I'm doing a solo show, I'll have my mic muted and I'll talk for two or three minutes and then I won't realize >> Oh, I wish that exactly. He should he should explore that that uh technique for sure. Um all right. Well, let's do some material, shall we? This is a funny story. This is a funny story. Welcome to the Jimmy Door Show, everybody. Katon and Kurt in for Jimmy while he is away.
89:42Uh so this has been going on now for quite a while. There's been a lot of intrigue around the whereabouts of uh Mitch McConnell. McConnell's health emergency sparks questions on whether he will return to the Senate. This is from a few days ago. Emergency dispatch audio indicating that someone at Senator Mitch McConnell's home in Washington DC suffered cardiac arrest earlier this month has raised questions about when the former GOP leader will return to the Senate or whether he will return at all.
90:14McConnell's office has provided few details about his health status, but reported a few days ago that he quote appreciates the outpouring of support he's receiving while he continues his recovery in the hospital. His office on Thursday also said the 84year-old senator quote continues to improve and is working closely with his staff on Kentucky and Senate matters while the Senate is out of session. But the scant detail about what sent him to the hospital on June 14th combined with the alarming audio from an emergency dispatcher has fueled speculation that McConnell's condition is much worse than
90:49his staff has acknowledged. So, here is the audio several minutes after the initial call to the dispatch uh EMS. So, let's take a listen.
91:00>> Communications. Can you start me supervisor? CPR in progress.
91:05>> Okay.
91:09EMS2 response for cardiac arrest 217.
91:18EMS2 response for cardiac arrest. 217 C3 Nothing in Charlie Cruz of Second Street and Charlie 11 843 [clears throat] medic coming.
91:32>> All right, but you know Washington is in damage control mode. Here's Scott Jennings revealing details from his 17minute phone call today with Mitch McConnell from the hospital. Yeah, he called me this morning before I did that radio on my radio show. We talked for about 17 minutes. He claims they talked about Iran, Ukraine, and what's going on in Europe.
91:55>> Why does he have a radio show >> before I did my what's the name of it?
91:58Salem Media, the the the Israel >> backed show there. Yeah. I mean, that that's where the real money is, not in CNN. You got to get that get those real shekels on the Israeli radio.
92:11>> Yeah. He called me uh this morning uh before I did my radio show. We talked for about 17 minutes. You know, he talked a lot about the situation with Iran, talked a little bit about Ukraine and what's going on in Europe. Uh >> I told him I've been to the Teddy Roosevelt library. We talked a little bit about the history of the vice presidency and how Roosevelt had transformed >> that modern presidency. A little history of the Senate.
92:33>> Is that really what they did?
92:34>> I mean, it was a, you know, it was a wide-ranging conversation. I talked >> he's actually joining the DS, he's joining DSA. He he told me he's working on a seven-part series on Portuguese colonialism in 16th century Indonesia.
92:46He's very excited about that. I'm surprised. Yeah. Well, why don't you ask me about that?
92:50>> That's I could be at home crushing right now. [laughter] >> It's 3:00 in the afternoon. [laughter] >> Oh my god. I'm going to take another swig off my jar of Bloody Mary and then I am going to go my wife. Good day.
93:07[laughter] >> To him often. I hadn't talked to him since he'd been in. I'd gotten a few text messages from him, but I hadn't spoken to him. So, it was good to hear his voice. Voice sounded strong and sounded like he was keeping up with the news to me.
93:19>> Did you ask him how he was feeling >> and the olds?
93:21>> Yeah, he said, you know, he said he was feeling >> okay. You know, obviously well enough to call me on the phone and obviously well enough to talk to Baraso and Thoon. Now, look, I'm not qualified to discuss any medical issues or give you any information about that. That's really for him or his his staff to do, but you know, I I >> not like this is a news show or anything. Not like I comment on the news. You'd think if I have something valuable to report like the health status of a senator heading into a campaign season with the deadline to replace him in a special election coming up in less than a month. You know, it's
93:56not like I'm going to comment on that.
93:59I'm just going to tell you what I talked about with him like the history of the vice presidency.
94:04>> Yeah.
94:05>> Yeah. That's that's news content here.
94:07>> I'm sure I'm sure that's what was on Mitch's mind after a heart attack.
94:11>> After a heart attack. Yeah, I was just thinking about the vice presidency history. Oh, me too.
94:15>> Yeah.
94:16>> All right. Talk to you later. We didn't talk about anything else.
94:17>> Yeah, we didn't talk about anything else. That's it. That's it. I have nothing else. I have nothing else to say. I don't even know why.
94:22>> We didn't talk at all if I'm being honest.
94:23>> Yeah, [laughter] exactly.
94:25I don't even know why I brought up that I talked to him. Seems like a bad idea in retrospect because now people are going to think I'm bullshitting about what we talked about because I am >> and I see them from time to time. And you know, we had a conversation today about the things that we normally talk about, which are news of the day, political stuff.
94:41>> Did you come away feeling like he's still capable of serving the people?
94:44>> I heard you had a heart attack.
94:46>> I came away feeling that he was staying on top of the news. Again, I look his his >> I asked him what he was wearing. Uh I was I was curious because, you know, he's in hospital hospital attire. I asked him if he tied the back of his hospital gown or if you could see his ass crack straight away. He said he did not. That was very hot. That was very hot. I was getting changed for the show.
95:07I was in my usual, you know, suit and blue tie >> condition and why he's in the hospital or when he might come out or look, that's that's >> Do you know why and are just saying you're it's not a liberty to share?
95:19>> I do not know why. I only know frankly what uh has been reported or uh what his office has said. So, this was it was a personal private call, but but I didn't I didn't probe him too deeply for his medical records.
95:31>> It's a personal private call. I just made it so I can come out here and tell you that he's not dead. But I'm not going to tell you beyond that anything that we talked about like how is he doing, you know? Uh so >> who are his constituents anyway?
95:44Missiles? Like who needs to know this?
95:46Who's voting for him? No, I can't imagine actual people live in the district where he is.
95:50>> Well, well, nobody anymore. He He's retiring. So here's the thing. He's retiring this year. There's going to be an election in Kentucky in November. But if he should die or be considered like brain dead or incapacitated before August 3rd, then they have to have a special election, not just the November election. And so the theory is they're afraid that if that should happen, maybe Thomas Massie would run in the special election, which would step on the November election because at that point he could win before then. whereas now they have this guy Andy Bar who's running. So that's that's the theory is that they they are
96:31stalling uh until August 3rd because if he is pronounced dead after August 3rd then they just wait until the November election anyway and they're all good. Uh so that's that's that's the that's the theory is that it's it's weekend at Mitches now uh for the next three and a half weeks. They're going to have to pretend that this guy is not dead.
96:52>> How many of these is it? They're piling up. you know.
96:55>> Yeah, there's a lot of dead people.
96:56>> Dian Feinstein, I remember, was unreal.
96:58That was like you could actually see the puppet >> like, >> no, they're gonna have a lot of dead people in the House and the Senate now.
97:04In fact, maybe we can issue a force the vote campaign around dead people. You know, if if there's going to be soon there will be enough dead people in Congress to force a vote for Medicare for all. You know, if everyone who's dead in the House promises not to vote for the next speaker unless they offer a Medicare for all vote, then uh we can we can make this happen. So maybe we should have start a campaign. We should start petitioning our dead elected officials.
97:32[laughter] >> What we want them to do the whole time.
97:35>> Nothing to lose. Yeah. Exactly.
97:37>> Yeah. I want I want a law where you just have to hold a mirror under their nose before every vote. [laughter] >> Yeah. Exactly. Uh so here's uh uh what's her name? Casey Hunts. Uh kind of calling his bluff here a little bit. Uh she asks uh Scott Jennings if he can call Mitch if he can call Mitch McConnell uh right now to you know get get approval >> to call into the show. Could we get him on the phone now? [laughter] >> You know, I wasn't uh really expecting him to call this morning to be honest.
98:08Uh so when the phone rang and >> I was able to talk to him, I was I was frankly pretty grateful. I mean, as I as I said, I've known him since I was >> That's not what she asked. She asked, "Can you call him now?" Let's Let's watch that one more time. Do you think he'd be willing to to call into the show? Could we get him on the phone now?
98:23[laughter] >> You know, I I wasn't [snorts] >> We're trying to make sure he's alive.
98:28>> United States senator. We're trying to make sure he's not dead.
98:30>> I was able to talk to >> You can get him on the phone.
98:32>> I mean, as I as I said, I've known him since I was a teenager.
98:36>> I think that would be >> E. You know him since you were a teenager? That guilty. Okay. Wait, wait.
98:41>> Um, that laugh. Do we need to have a butt? I I know Jimmy's going to want a button of that laugh that he did after she asked that. That's when you don't have an answer. Laugh. That was >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Oh, AC you stole for time. Laugh. Yeah. Well, you know, like I said, [laughter] mystery is is mounting here. Republican congressman says he doesn't know if Mitch McConnell is alive. Here's uh Representative Stzman, I believe, from uh Indiana.
99:09Indiana. Let's take a look.
99:11>> A senator from Kentucky voting uh in the Senate chamber.
99:15>> Do you know that he's alive?
99:17I don't uh you know just the things that I' I've heard and seen from some friends is uh that he's he's obviously not doing well but don't know if he's alive or has passed away.
99:28>> Are you allowed to anybody watching are you allowed to call out of work dead?
99:31Are you allowed to just you know disappear and your boss kidnapped whether or not you're dead. That's that's a good excuse I guess to miss work is if you might or might not be dead. Uh but that is >> kidnapped by God.
99:44>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. iced by God. Um, the Honorable Mitch McConnell. Okay, so this was a letter that the governor of the state, Andy Basher, uh, sent inquiring as to the status of Mitch McConnell. Now, Kentucky is one of these very rare states where it's a very Republican state, but they have a Democratic governor. And so when the Democratic governor was voted in, the legislature actually changed the law which does not allow the governor to appoint a replacement for a dead Republican senator because the Democrat will appoint a Democrat when a Republican just died.
100:19>> So he is not empowered to appoint uh someone in place of Mitch McConnell. But there is this deadline coming up August 3rd that determines whether or not a special election can take place. So, dear Senator McConnell, over the last several weeks, Kuckians have grown increasingly concerned about the current state of your health and well-being and ability to hold office in the United States Senate. As governor, I request that you fully update Kuckians regarding the current status of your health. As public office holders, we have made a commitment to our constituents to do our best to represent them and almost to be
100:52transparent. I believe this requires clear communication about one's ability to serve. We wish you a safe and speedy recovery. So, here is how things can proceed based on how things transpire over the next few weeks. Adam Cochran tweets, there are at least two reasons they might not want to update us on McConnell's condition. In Kentucky, a special election to replace a senator will not be called if it's closer than 3 months till the next election. That date is August 3rd. If McConnell's condition is clearly unfit for office, they'd hide that to avoid being forced to submit a resignation letter until after that
101:31date. If McConnell has not regained consciousness or has the chance of oxygen induced brain death and is on artificial life support, they would try.
101:42And in Kentucky, brain death is legally considered death under Kentucky Revised Status 446400.
101:50So, I guess you can be legally dead in Kentucky. Just like you can be legally blind, but not entirely blind. You could be legally dead.
101:56>> Yeah. Do you think that it'll be like Now, I'm not hoping for this because that would be wrong, but like a real drawn out Terry Shyo thing with McConnell.
102:04>> Yeah, they'll have uh Yeah, exactly.
102:07>> He's alive. No, he's not alive.
102:10>> Leave him alone. That's the only way this could be Yeah. That's the only way this could get more like darkly funny is if it becomes a Terry Shyo thing where you have all these preachers come on TV and advocate no he should be kept alive.
102:22Of course you should not put him [laughter] >> until and then and then they drop it the day after deadline.
102:27>> A life is a life and then August 4th.
102:29All right, that's it. Get him out of here >> cuz how could they after the deadline say he's dead brain dead even? How could they even get away with that after >> I guess they figure it's Kentucky like we're going to win the seat so whatever.
102:41Like there's there's no political price to pay because you're right like it's the most transparently cynical thing you can do is it's just [laughter] hide him until August 4th and then announced suddenly he was >> you know he held out he he persevered before he fought >> he persevered he he he fought to keep Thomas Massie out of the Senate he refused to die as long as Thomas Massie had a chance of running for Senate that was enough to keep him going. That's how evil Massie is, is that McConnell kept going. Yeah.
103:13>> McConnell made time to call his uh former teenage boy companion turned radio [laughter] host.
103:18>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
103:19>> Well, what could be cooler than hanging out with Mitch McConnell as a teenage boy?
103:23>> Called and reminisced about our time we met on Epste.
103:30[laughter] >> Yeah.
103:33>> God, this sucks.
103:34>> So, it gets even crazier. Any two independent physicians may declare the patient dead for the purposes of the seat being vacated if the patient is only alive due to a ventilator and artificial life support system. So this would explain why nobody's allowed to know what's going on because >> he's getting quantum now.
103:52>> Even if he's not dead, right, if he's like in an iron lung or something like that, then that counts as >> Shrodinger's Mitch.
103:58>> Yeah, Schrodinger's Mitch. Yeah, exactly. Schrodinger's wildat as they would say in uh Kentucky. Um but yeah, if if it's discovered that he's being propped up, you know, uh artificially, uh then they could declare him dead. So that's why no one is is allowed to to know anything. Uh but his next of kin cow, so his wife, Ela Chow, would need to be involved in the process of treatment and testing and final decisions to end support for that path to be viable. So his wife would be involved in the decision-m as to whether or not he could be legally uh declared dead for purposed Senate. Well, >> Chinese wife from Taiwan,
104:42>> she she lammed it to China 3 days after his hospitalization. So she's not available. She's not available to make any kind of decision >> like that. [laughter] She just happened to split for China 3 days after her 84 yearear-old husband had a heart attack.
105:00>> Yeah. Well, I She's not nearly that old.
105:03She's not >> Her sister died from backing into the lake or lost control of her car suddenly and reversed into the lake by their property. Remember that?
105:10>> Uh I don't remember that actually.
105:12>> Oh, there's so much weirdness around Mitch McConnell. Where where to even begin?
105:16>> Ela Chow. 73. 73. All right. I thought she was >> still got life left in her. That old bird. She can find a man now. I thought she was younger. I thought she was like 55 and he was 84. I thought he was a pimp. Mitch McConnell. I guess not. I guess 73 is not that.
105:28>> I bought her from Square.
105:31>> Yeah. So, is McConnell alive and well?
105:34Is he awake and functional? Is he a vegetable? Either way, I think they are trying to make sure we don't have the answer to that until after August 3rd. I think you're right. Well, it's getting a little harder now.
105:44>> Oh, his wife's in China not to have to talk to people, >> right? she doesn't want to be reached so that she doesn't have to decide to put him on a ventilator or take him off life support or whatever. Like if she can't be reached, then there's no next of kin to reach out to to to figure out what to do with him.
106:02>> They're trying to drag out this limbo.
106:04>> I was like, "Oh, she killed him." I'm totally off. That's what it is. Is >> No, it's it's to stall for time. No, if she killed him, that would be very bad for the Republican party because then Massie could run.
106:15>> Yeah. The the goal is they they they they don't want nothing bad happening to him for the next three and a half weeks.
106:21>> Yeah, he's one of the best.
106:22>> Exactly. Yeah, he's one of the best.
106:24That's the thing. He's the guy he is one of the thorns in Trump's side, too. Like they they talk about this just shows you where their true uh priorities lie. You know, McConnell has voted against so many of the Trump appointees. McConnell really soured on Trump after January 6.
106:40So, it's not like McConnell is a Trump ally, but the bosses, i.e. The Israelis do not want Thomas Massie in the Senate.
106:49So even if you are against Trump, they'd rather have you there than give Thomas Massie an opening to possibly make a run for it.
106:55>> Yeah. And they're smart to make it where it has to be total compliance and not even a a fake show that some people are against it. Very smart move by them and that's why they're doing so well in this conflict.
107:04>> Right. Exactly. Exactly. But things got a little harder for them because this morning uh video surfaced uh from a neighbor of Mitch McConnell being loaded into an ambulance uh without any kind of uh ventilator or respirator mask or whatever they they put on people uh when uh they're in in dire straits. So uh let's take a look uh at this video footage. Clash report clipped it from CNN.
107:37So there you go.
107:45>> Not riding with him.
107:53Yes. Emergency responders took Senator Mitch McConnell to an ambulance on a stretcher after being called to his home last month for a report of an unconscious person. According to new video of the incident and an eyewitness account, a neighbor of McConnell told CNN that they opened their door to find commotion outside their home at around 8:30 a.m. on June 14th with two ambulances, a firetruck, and Capitol police officers blocking the entire street. The neighbor said they asked officers what was going on, and the officers responded that there had been a quote medical emergency. But when the neighbor inquired if McConnell was
108:30having a medical emergency, officers said they would block the street for anybody. The neighbor said they learned from another eyewitness who saw the individual's face that the person on the stretcher was McConnell and he was not wearing an oxygen mask. Now, that could mean >> he's healthy.
108:46>> Yeah. Could mean one of two things. It could mean he's he's healthy or it could mean he's uh >> Oh, he's getting better, >> you know. Yeah, [laughter] it can mean the other thing. Uh but uh that's >> Send news to China.
108:57>> Yeah. Exactly. That's what we have on Mitch McConnell so far. Uh so some darkly comic intrigue ahead of the uh home stretch of of of the midterms. But uh yeah, >> maybe Mitch Mitch is okay. That's how you do it in Mandarin. You go Mitch Mitch like you know that's like putting a Y. It's like saying Mitchy Mitch.
109:15[laughter] Your Mitch Mitch is better.
109:17>> Maybe Mitch Mitch Mitch Mitch will make it three more weeks with God's blessing.
109:22>> Oh Mitch Mitch. [laughter] >> Yeah, exactly. Uh all right. Uh, do we have any more uh any more chats coming in? No, not yet. All right, if not yet, then we will move uh right on along then to our next >> Well, I look communist as hell. I'm trying to get Tanner to look more Cuban communist, you know, with my outfit.
109:41>> I uh you know, I I once I I bought a a a hat that looked kind of like that >> uh that looked very communist, but I think my head grew out of it. I don't know if I got fatter.
109:52>> There's always that danger for me.
109:53>> Whatever. There's that. Yeah, some for some reason. And I mean it was, you know, I had got it when I was like, I don't know. I was pretty young when I had it.
110:00>> No, I got to ask him. I got to check like shoes to make sure there's growing room for my head whenever I get >> Yeah.
110:06>> like how your mom would do my shoes.
110:08>> Yeah. Because I don't know if it's a thing where like, you know, cuz I don't normally like keep a consistent hairstyle. Like my hair get I cut it short and then I grow it pretty long and I start over again.
110:17>> Yeah.
110:17>> So maybe it's when I have long hair it squeezes my head tight. Yeah.
110:21>> Yeah. But you know, I think I have to stop doing that. I have to stop doing I don't know. haircut like my friend gets he had the same haircut for like 20 years.
110:29>> Well, it just, you know, I feel like, you know, if I'm on camera a lot, I should probably start paying a little more attention to my appearance >> than I that I'm used to.
110:38>> Well, I want people to know I'm a radical Islamist communist. And I don't know what better way.
110:43>> I have to start maintaining my look a little bit better. I think I don't have a publicist, so I have to be my own publicist. So, my publicist brain says, "You know what? Don't just be so careless about your facial hair and your your hairstyle.
110:55>> Maybe do something with yourself.
110:57>> Yeah, do something with yourself.
110:58[laughter] Have a little pride in yourself.
111:01>> Yeah, >> you just got mogged. [laughter] >> Exactly.
111:07>> Uh, all right. Let's move right on along here. Um, all right. Welcome to the Jimmy Door Show, everybody. Katon and Kurt here while Jimmy is away. All right. If you've been on Twitter, you've heard about Andrew Kulvit of TPUSA.
111:23Uh, finally, now that the Tyler Robinson hearings are underway, finally has some questions about Tyler Robinson's lone role in Charlie Kirk's assassination.
111:33Andrew Kulit, who previously promoted the narrative that Tyler Tyler Robinson, pardon me, acted alone in assassinating Charlie Kirk, now raises questions about holes in the official story. This shift prompts accusations of hypocrisy from critics, referencing evidence undermining the lone wolf narrative and ongoing preliminary hearing developments. So, this is a video that I guess Andrew Kulovit posted uh to his TikTok. So, we'll take a look at the video and then we'll take a look at some of the comments. dealing with so many uh crazy accusations either level at Erica or myself or the organization or
112:10whatever anything except for Tyler Robinson in this process that I haven't gotten a chance to articulate clearly what questions I still have uh outstanding that I want answers to. So, >> you know, you'd think for a Zionist controlled organization they'd have more Jews on staff to teach them how to a little better than this.
112:28Right. You can use a little bit of that Jewish you know, like I I could coach you through a better line of than, "Oh, I've been so I've been so busy insisting that no one ask any questions about the Tyler Robinson case that I haven't even had time to think about asking questions about the Tyler Robinson."
112:45>> Fair enough. You know, why is it first of all, for >> I've been so busy working on my multiplication tables, I never thought to do my division tables because it's not like one has something to do with the other. Hey, if two times two is four, then what's four divided by two?
112:58Two. Yeah, I never had it. I never thought Never thought to think of it that way.
113:02>> I would have just told you to shut it down right there. I don't She's a grieving widow. Now, I don't understand why a guy, you know, when somebody I don't know how tall he is, but >> when somebody's like a normally full-g grown adult, but with dwarfism head.
113:16>> He's got one of them deals like Jason Hervey from the Wonder Years where his head he has the head of a uh who's the guy from uh Game of Thrones? The little glove guy. The oh uh >> he's got dinklage head.
113:27>> Dinklage. Dinklage head.
113:28>> He's got a dink. If you if you look at his I do a lot of phronology where I judge you by your bumps in your head.
113:34>> It's a side thing.
113:35>> Uh but he has dwarf head on a grown.
113:38Yeah. Yeah. Because it's a kind of woke of me, you know.
113:41>> Yeah.
113:41>> It's full circle with that, you know.
113:43[laughter] >> Yeah, exactly.
113:45>> He's got dwarf head though for real.
113:47>> Uh well, yeah. I mean, like I said, need needs a little better coaching than this. All right, let's let's let's go. I feel like I've been dealing with so many uh crazy accusations either levels of Erica or myself or the organization >> or whatever anything except for Tyler Robinson in this process that I haven't gotten a chance to articulate clearly what questions I still have outstanding that I want answers to. So here we go.
114:13Who knew what when? That's right. There is a lot of indication online that other people knew something was going to happen that day. Guy could have had a career in law enforcement. Who knew what went? Great detective work there.
114:28>> On September 10th, they posted on social media about it in really, really creepy ways. And none of those people have been held accountable. And I want to know why. And what did they know and when?
114:37Another question I want to know the answer to is was Lance Twigs more involved than we currently know. Right?
114:44We know that he's been given limited immunity >> for his testimony. It's going to be video testimony in the preliminary hearing.
114:52>> But how much did he know and how much did he radicalize Tyler Robinson?
114:56>> Yeah, >> it seems, and I encourage everybody to go check it out, there's a Turkey Tom YouTube video where one of their friends that would hang out with them in their apartment >> seems to indicate that it was a really manic, disassociative, sort of morally corrupt bankrupt environment that Tyler Robinson was living in. And Lance Twig seems to be the source for a lot of that. So, did Tyler Robinson just do this crazy thing all on his own, or did Lance Twix put him up to it? Was he a co-conspirator? I want to know that because if it comes out that he was a co-conspirator, I would love to see him
115:30held accountable for that and not be granted any immunity whatsoever. Another >> Well, I mean, at at the risk of of just sending this conversation off the charts from an IQ standpoint, if he were to be a co-conspirator, that would make the murder a conspiracy, >> right? That would that would make you a conspiracy theorist for whether he's a conspirator or not.
115:52>> I got to defend myself. I would love to ask that question. Is it a conspiracy?
115:55But I have to defend myself from crazy conspiracy people.
115:58>> I have questions. Who, what, when, where, and why.
116:01>> Yeah. Who knew what, when? And was there more than one person involved?
116:05>> How about that?
116:06>> Even though until right now, apparently that was a conspiracy theory. Now I'm wondering if maybe Lance Twigs was a co-conspirator in this event that was clearly not a conspiracy. Yeah, >> it's weird. He didn't get arrested too, right? Yeah.
116:21>> Yeah.
116:21>> Is that weird? I didn't even have time to think about it. Oh god.
116:25>> Great great leadership at at this organization here.
116:27>> Question I have is where did Tyler Robinson go immediately after taking the shot, running off the rooftop, and tossing the gun into the forest? Where did he go?
116:37Isn't that weird question as evidence that he was back on campus that night into the wee hours of September 11th?
116:44But where did he go immediately after?
116:45That's a big question.
116:46>> One of the questions that is really tough for me is why were those darn rooftops so accessible? First of all, why set up a building where you can just like go over a railing and get on a rooftop? That's one question. Why were there not cops planted out there? That's another question. And why were there not people spotting those rooftops? Now, you might say, "Well, gee, Andrew, Turning Point had its own security." Well, guess what? Way you work with campuses is you only get to have immediate vicinity uh jurisdiction around the person that you're protecting. So, I don't know what the exact distance was, but it's
117:21essentially like, let's say, 30 ft around Charlie's perimeter was what our personal private security was able to take care of. So, we were relying on campus PD to monitor the ingress, egress to the area and the rooftops. I want to know why were they so accessible. And I know that I take a bunch of crap for this, but I want to know more about the the rounds, the ammunition, the 30 on six rounds. I know that the comments are going to be filled with 30 blah blah blah. Well, the >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. What did he say?
117:52You're going to call me a consp I honestly Okay, so like full disclosure, I'm not trying to like fool anybody here. You know, Jimmy has covered this story much more extensively than I have.
118:01And so when, you know, the team pitched me this, I was kind of flabbergasted as to what I was looking at because >> that's how I felt, dude. Flabber almost, you almost don't think it's a real video. Like, you almost think it's a troll. You almost have to wonder like, is this AI? Did this guy really say this after all this time? Like, >> you don't think I wonder where all the money went and why Charlie got killed after wanting an audit?
118:24>> You don't think I wonder? I don't have time because I'm being blamed for things.
118:28>> Yeah, I'm being blamed.
118:30>> I want to know more about Nobody has time anymore. This is the It's the theme of the week, I guess, the holiday weekend. Whether you're in DSA or TPUSA, you're just you're really pressed for time nowadays.
118:39>> I mean, >> why wouldn't they be on the roof? That is a good question.
118:44>> What's with the bullet that seems to be capable of taking the head off of rhinoceros?
118:50Why was there no exit wound? Yeah. Why did we all Why Why did none of us call 911? Is it weird?
118:59>> It is weird.
119:00>> Why was there no ambulance there? Why was he taken away in an SUV? You don't have an ambulance on site in an event with that many people. There's no ambulance around.
119:07>> You know the weirdest part? We didn't even call the hospital. We were driving out of the way to that was much further away.
119:12>> Why was a >> We didn't call ahead there. I called my dad or some >> Yeah. Why was a boomer lib uh screaming shoot me, shoot me, shoot me like he was the killer, >> dude? That was so weird.
119:23>> While being dragged in away by by the cops >> when he didn't do it. Why?
119:28>> What about the guy taking the camera footage down who worked for TPSA and now we can't find it?
119:33>> Yeah. Why did they dig up the crime scene right after the scene of the right after the crime happened? Yeah.
119:39>> This whole thing stinks.
119:40>> Yeah.
119:40>> Between you and me. But I'm just getting all these crazy accusations towards uh me and Erica. You know, >> you know. Well, you know, huge cans.
119:47>> Listen, you've been too busy. You have to take more time off. That's the thing is you don't >> I know >> you don't have enough time.
119:53>> The ammunition the 306 rounds I know that the comments are going to be filled with it was not a 300 6 blah blah blah.
119:59Well, the ATF report confirms that the medical examiner uh confirms that it was. So, I know that won't be enough for anybody uh or at least a lot of people.
120:08But bear with me. Let's assume it was a 300 6. That is a powerful round. How old were the rounds? Were they hollow tip?
120:15Were they full metal jacket? I want to know everything. The point is that they broke into a bunch of different pieces inside Charlie and that's partly the explanation, but I would love to know more information about that myself.
120:27>> But that seems but that's like that's like impossible, right?
120:30>> Yeah.
120:30>> I mean like that was not 30 odd sex.
120:33>> I'm not pretending to be an expert here.
120:35Uh you know, but that seems that's impossible from everything else. I mean, didn't the medical examiner I think it was I think it was Andrew Kovit himself who said that the >> the the examiner said it was a miracle, right? Right. I mean, he he used that word to >> go he saved lives because he had such strong uh miracle bones in his neck bones.
120:54>> Yeah. And >> so that he was even saving lives at the end. You know, >> miracles are a beautiful thing to believe in, but I believe in cover-ups, not miracles.
121:03>> It's just like weird. But no, I mean, the ATF said in the thing, they're not, no one can look at the evidence, but they're just saying it. And I know that's not going to be good enough for some people, but I'm like I'd like to know more.
121:13>> Yeah. And finally, was there a larger network? We hear about, you know, of SLC took down a bunch of their social media immediately after. I want to know >> they canled their cupcake making workshop the the next day. The armed queers of SLC.
121:29>> They took down a bunch of their social media immediately after. I want to know, was there money? Was there outside sources? Were there more people that were involved in planning this?
121:39>> Still have a lot of questions. Um, thankfully we're getting a lot of answers too in the preliminary hearing and I hope more come out.
121:46>> So you want to know if it was a conspiracy. That's what you want to know because even even if Tyler Robinson bears some responsibility in this, you want to know if he acted alone or if there's more.
121:57>> Yeah.
121:58>> It's just I I don't have time because I'm being attacked all the time.
122:01>> Right.
122:02>> And Eric is being attacked so I don't have time.
122:04>> But I would like to know. [laughter] >> Yeah. Here's uh some of the comments on a scroll. This was made into a video.
122:12Curious as to why you're just now asking questions.
122:14>> Why did Mikey walk away? Was that weird?
122:17>> Why did Mikey walk away? I want to know about the microphone. Who ring the mic?
122:21>> I think that's worth looking into.
122:24>> Did you order the new pavers? He's nervous now. He's just now asking question.
122:28>> Paved over everything immediately.
122:30>> I have nothing nice to say. It's a funny one.
122:33>> I heard that underneath him was a bank.
122:35Is that weird? who did he talk to from TPUSA that day? Yeah, just kind of an endless endless scroll here.
122:43>> That's what I'm saying.
122:44>> Of negative uh reactions uh in the comments. So, Candace Owens replies, "Lmao." After months of promoting influencers who effectively dismissed everyone who brought up the obvious holes in the narrative as conspiracy theorists, Andrew Kulov is trying to rebrand himself as a as rational and open to alternative perspectives. Sorry, Andrew, but the world has you and Blake pegged as liars and traitors to Charlie.
123:11There's no going back from it now. She says, "Despite the full force of the corrupt federal government, celebrity influencers, unlimited funds, and mainstream news networks, you guys lost the PR war to common sense. Spend the 30 pieces of silver and delete your account while the rest of us keep fighting for Charlie."
123:30>> And then the weirdest thing, I had like 30 p 30 pieces of silver in my account.
123:34I didn't have.
123:35>> We got it nowhere, dude.
123:37>> Like, where'd it come from? I don't know.
123:38>> Where'd it come from? Wait, I thought the mountain of evidence proving Tyler Robinson carried this out on his own was going to make everyone asking questions look really stupid. This is PR spin because the lone wolf narrative is cooked, says Zack Costello. And the Babylon BB says breaking Andrew Kulvit uh joins.
123:58>> I'm just asking questions. [snorts] >> Yeah. No, it's >> I have questions.
124:03>> Yeah. No, it's it's kind of uh it's kind of amazing uh to see a video like that.
124:08Like I said, um you know, when when the team pitched me this uh topic here, I I looked at that and I'm like, "No, that he really he really posted that. He really said, "I have questions about the ammunition." Like, it's um it's kind of remarkable. But I guess, you know, when you look at uh you know, their their posture uh this whole time, sooner or later there was going to be a hearing.
124:31Sooner or later, some of this was going to uh come [clears throat] to a head.
124:34Yeah. Also, how come our address is a PO box in the desert? I felt like that's weird.
124:40>> Is there address a PO box in the desert?
124:42You said it was a >> I don't know. I'm asking you about that before.
124:47>> Yeah, you have questions. Well, you know, you're >> I can't ask them because all the conspiracies.
124:51>> I know. Yeah. Well, your problem is that you you just uh you know, you need you need more time to yourself. You're overwhelmed. There's been so much people have been spending so much time bringing this up to you that you have haven't had time to think about it. That's essentially what he says at the beginning.
125:07>> Yeah. People have uh been been so I've been so bombarded with people asking me about this that I haven't had time to think about it. That was essentially what he says at at the [laughter] at at the at the top. You know, >> I'm working on this Indonesia thing. I can't talk about it now, but [laughter] >> yeah, it's like a landlord. You know, tenants have been, you know, taking up all my time telling me about how the plumbing doesn't work. So much so, I haven't had time to fix the plumbing. I haven't had time to think about how to fix the plumbing because people have been bringing it up to me >> incessantly, non-stop for the last year.
125:38>> I heard Erica Kirk might be a clone, dude. I don't know. I >> You don't I know. Well, you need more time. You need more time.
125:45>> It's weird, isn't it?
125:47>> Yeah. A lot of weird stuff. A lot of weird stuff as day two of the uh hearing wrapped up. or was it day two or three that >> something something doesn't seem too right, does it? Right. Yeah, exactly.
126:00>> Yeah.
126:01>> Uh, all right. Let's uh see what else we got here. We got some more super chats and rumble rants over here. Uh, Profanosaurus Rex says, "I wish we could have at least had an Hesh moment where they were rolling Mitch into the ambulance." Thank you. [laughter] >> Pops up like a >> Yeah.
126:19>> Yeah, that would have been cool. That would have been cool. Scott Jennings says, "Mitch called me because his wife wasn't picking up the phone. Sometimes he hears some Chinese sounding gibberish." Thank you. P. Walker says, "Wr to Jennings claimed phone call from the turtle. Can I have that didn't happen for 800 Alex?" Yes. Yes, indeed.
126:41Uh, Ovon the King says, "Love the show, man." Thank you, Ovon the King. Benticus says, "Katon, my viewpoint diverges from yours on the notion that there are diverse viewpoints in the audience."
126:51Huh, good one. Uh, Eric Huso says, "When will Ker be brought before Congress over the MK Derp program?" Did you hear that?
127:00>> Stopped a long time ago.
127:01>> They want to subpoena you.
127:02>> We don't do that stuff no more.
127:04>> That's right. That's right. Uh, okay.
127:07Uh, why don't we, uh, switch over to Rumble, uh, and then we'll continue on with the rest of the show. Kurt, uh, if our guest arrives, uh, within the next few minutes, then we might just put you in the back for the next couple segments and then bring you back on. Is that cool?
127:21>> All right, cool. All right, we'll see.
127:23Uh, because we're we're she's due in a few minutes, so we'll see what happens.
127:26Uh, which order we go for uh, we go for uh, with from there. But right now, we're going to switch over to Rumble.
127:32Oh, there's Janine. Perfect. All right, Kurt. So, we'll see you in about a half hour. We're going to switch over to Rumble and we'll be back with our guest, Janine Ununas.
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