0:01All right, you guys. Happy Thursday. Of course, you know that is our Friday.
0:05We've had a lot of fun this week. Many, many tears were shed, most of them from Blake and Neff. I was remarking how odd it is that for 10 months straight we were told that all the widow wants is transparency. Erica just wants transparency. She's asking the judge to show everyone everything so that there are no questions left. And then I I share a video and they're like, "Locker up. Locker up." You just can't make this stuff up.
0:32So, quite literally just before we were going to go live today, Ashley, my producer, made a shocking discovery about the medical examiner who performed Charlie's autopsy. And I'm currently pretty unwell over it cuz I I just can't take this anymore. Everything is just so obviously wrong.
0:50Fastest autopsy ever. Just in the middle of the night, couple of hours, he's done. Who did this? Who performed this?
0:59Now we've got the chief medical examiner resigning. The person who signed off on it though is one that we are going to be speaking about, Dr. Andrew Guajardo.
1:08And there's more because we also received a pretty explosive tip regarding the clothing of Charlie's security team and where that went. You remember the clothing they were wearing in the car en route to the hospital?
1:19They were covered in blood. The amazing Mikey McCoy got them scrubs. Well, we have an idea what what may have happened to the clothing thereafter. And we are going to stick with the hospital theme today because we've all been wondering where the heck all of the hospital witnesses are. Like this is an ER, sir.
1:37Where are the doctors, nurses, other patients? It's almost as though no one was there but Turning Point USA. How could that be?
1:45We've come across a source and the story that we've been told is incredible. And if true, it very much implies foreknowledge of Charlie's assassination. So, let's get right into it. Welcome back to Candace.
1:58>> I'm a mess.
2:12I don't even know where to begin, so we're just going to start, okay?
2:16His name is Dr. Andrew Guajardo. He is from New York. He moved to Utah in 2018 and was working as an assistant at the medical examiner's office.
2:28In 2024, when our chief medical examiner, Dr. Deidra Amaro, uh the began to rule the roost, she decided to select him as her deputy, so he was promoted in 2024 when she got there to the role of deputy chief examiner. Okay.
2:47So, Charlie Kirk, we are told, we were told, things are kind of shifting now, but we were really told that he was murdered by a trans furry kid on a rooftop, a gamer.
2:59I do want to say there's still no proof of him being trans or into trans furries beyond the influencers that were immediately sent out to tell us this was a left versus right war, that there was an LGBTQ narrative here.
3:14Uh we were also told that he confessed to his crime to his friends, his fellow gamers, on Discord. Here are some of those messages that he uh tells them that he's speaking to people Jug Barnaby, Marina, we've got a girl in there, a guy in there, and he says, "Hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It was me at UVU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this. I'm surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments. Thanks for all the good times and laughs.
3:43You've all been so amazing. Thank you for everything."
3:47Such such an odd thing to do, to just keep confessing.
3:52Right?
3:53Uh Lance, Tyler Lance Twiggs, Tyler Robinson's alleged boyfriend, has indicated in his interview that Tyler was very into gaming, not politics, he said, but gaming.
4:07So, we have a storyline which involves trans furry gamers to be specific.
4:13Now, of course, the majority of the public is suspicious. Right? Just suspicious, to say the least. Over the text messages, the Discord confessions, even more so after seeing the Spider-Man ninja who jumped from a low-rise rooftop with the skill, precision, and fearlessness of a SEAL Team Six member.
4:33But, after listening to the preliminary hearing, we suspect that Tyler plausible could have been set up by Lance.
4:41His prints are everywhere.
4:43He lives with him.
4:45Uh he had the login to It's plausible that he could have have a login to his boyfriend's Discord. That wouldn't be strange. When you're dating someone and living with them, uh his prints were less degraded, certainly, than Tyler Robinson's were on the gun, which had dust in the barrel, so likely wasn't even fired. Who could have had access to Tyler's stuff?
5:07The Discord element just feels a little fetty, right? Just a little federal trappy, I might say.
5:17So, who is this Dr. Andrew Gohardo?
5:20Right? Anything that might be of interest in his background? That was kind of how Ashley began. She's like, "Oh, I wonder about the medical examiner."
5:27I wonder who he is. I said, "Yeah, we should get to that." And it turns out there's something very interesting to know about him. And it's who he's married to. His wife is someone who might be of interest, who might be an expert in this category. Honestly, they might bring her in as an expert, because Dr. Andrew Gohardo is married to a furry.
5:49I kid you not. Or at least the very least we can assert is that he's married to someone who encourages, supports, works with, and propagates the culture of furries, and occasionally dresses up as one herself. He's married to a woman named Dr. Ashley Brown Guajardo. And here she is. Meet Ashley.
6:16Now we had to we obviously uh turned the sound off because there was music as she was dancing as a furry, and she was promoting uh her book, and she used the hashtag, you know, furry. We're going to read what this book is about before I tell you more about her cuz this is just all just so incredible. Let's uh pull this up Penguin Random House book that she was promoting. She She published this book, Play Like a Fangirl, okay?
6:40And can you scroll down because it tells you us the description. I don't know if you can make that bigger, but I Yeah, my eyesight's always so bad during pregnancy. It says that the book description is about how women and queer gamers can express and elicit elicit excitement, creativity, and desire in online gaming communities and beyond.
6:56How do cosplayers, modders, fan artists, fan fiction authors, and TikTok content creators build communities for marginalized and underserved fans of games? In Play Like a Fangirl, uh Christine and Ashley and Tonya, these are auth- authors are going to look at the collective efforts of such fans to create meaningful and arousing connections to the video game worlds, to characters, and to one another using pleasure as a lens. They show how fans' playful practices both reflect current cultural values and shape how we relate to video games and ourselves.
7:30They develop the concept of what they call the fangirl gaze to show how communities of fangirls can be regarded as oppositional, subversive, and transformative in terms of societal expectations and gender, play and sex. Okay, you get the idea.
7:46Now, you're probably wondering how Ashley became a doctor. How did she become a doctor? Well, sociology, right?
7:53Uh sociology is uh how she climbed the teaching ladder after achieving her degree and guess where she achieved it?
8:03At Arizona State University, uh she then earned her PhD in sociology overseas at the University of Manchester and then she became a teacher. She's access to preschool kids. Um what we learn from her bio is that uh {quote} previously Dr. Kowhardo was faculty at Brunel University in London and then the University of Utah. Been there for um almost 10 years, last 10 years.
8:30She won awards for innovative and inclusive teaching at both institutions.
8:34Since 2017, she's hosted a weekly educational Twitch stream on games user research models. Uh methods, pardon.
8:43She's also held several leadership positions in industry and academia-facing professional organizations. She was vice president of the Global Game Jam conference, co-director of IGDA's games user research special interest group. I'd like to see who funds the IGDA.
9:00And currently serves as the president of the Digital Games Research Association.
9:06I would like to see who funds that. If I know about the feds, this is how they move money. Give me an association, a 501c3, we'll get money in there.
9:15Anyway, um as I told you, she's the author of many books, but also the author of sexuality and role-playing games, dozens of book chapters, journal articles on fandom, sexuality, particularly video games, tabletop role-playing games, and she's currently working on a book which explores how fantasy can shape your sexual desire.
9:34But the biggest thing that I want to underscore is just how deeply uh submerged she is in gamer culture. How deeply tied she is to gay the gamer community. And for the last 10 years she's been in Utah.
9:47She works and explains the philosophy of how gamers can engage with characters, create characters outside of themselves.
9:56That is her expertise. She encourages and explains how people uh effectively can sort of separate from their real life persona. And that, by the way, is what a furry is. It's not like it it's a LGBTQIA thing. I had to look this up. I'm going to read this to you cuz I was like, "I don't even know what a furry is." It says, "The term furry describes a diverse community of fans, writers, gamers, and role players."
10:20Most furries create themselves an animal character called their persona with whom they identify and can function as an avatar within the community. So, this is not me. This is my avatar.
10:36That is separate from me. So, you guys remember when Lance was testifying and he said that the preliminary hearing that he goes by Luna? And for some reason I felt like it was going to be some anim- I was like, "What I don't know if he's I don't think he's trans. I think this is going to be some gamer thing." I suspect that that is what Luna is. It's a gaming character that he engages with outside of Lance Twiggs.
10:57Okay?
10:58Here is how Dr. Ashley might explain how that engagement works. Take a listen.
11:04>> So, erotic >> role play um is different from cybersex in the sense that in erotic role play you have this role play component.
11:13Meaning that people are not at least explicitly playing as themselves. They are not um seeking out sexual interaction in a game or in a chat room or otherwise as the human being that they are in their day-to-day life. They are playing the role of a character perhaps in a fantasy world, perhaps from a popular franchise like Star Wars or just their own original character, but they are playing this character that is different from them with different wants, needs, hopes, and dreams, and they're engaging with erotic content.
11:54So, cybersex on the other hand would be when people want to engage with uh sexual content online or, you know, if it's phone sex, then it's through the phone, but that would be as themselves.
12:08So, in terms of practice, what are we actually talking about? Well, that you are very similar because at the end of the day, you're still using a keyboard to type out your erotic thoughts and feelings and and emotions. The difference being that one person is doing it as a character, and one person is doing it as themselves.
12:27Okay.
12:28I would like to again stress the point that Dr. Ashley has spent the last 10 years working as a professor in Utah.
12:39Okay? At the University of Utah in Salt Lake City encouraging her students and her gamers to join her on her Discord, to follow her Twitch, her streamer account.
12:50And I'm wondering how big can this community of gamers that are into this be throughout the state of Utah?
12:58I'm wondering, have we identified everybody on this Discord chat? I'm wondering can we Is this a coincidence?
13:05How big can this community be? And similar to um Dr. Amara, Dr. Amara has left uh the building. She's no longer at Utah.
13:14Ashley and her husband have both They've now gone to New York. He's accepted Now, he's going to be the chief medical examiner in New York, and she's going to be teaching at NYU. We should pull up her LinkedIn, by the way. We should pull up, just to show like not barred from being around kids, actually encourages it. Now she's the assistant arts professor at NYU full-time. So they up and left um associate professor. I guess she left ahead of her husband. I don't think that's right cuz he didn't leave until after obviously he did the medical examiner's office and they are they are married. But assistant professor,
13:45University of Utah. She's just been around students for a very long time.
13:53So again, I'll ask the question, how big can this particular gaming furry create a character that is outside of yourself, join me on Discord, Twitch community in Utah be?
14:07Has she ever come across Lance Twiggs?
14:09That's be a question that I would ask. I just feel like that's a question that I would like to know the answer to. Across her 10-year uh career in Utah and also being on the board and working with these outside organizations and associations, uh studying these people and encouraging this lifestyle.
14:29I'll leave it at that.
14:31Because I am just jaw on the floor with all of this. So Charlie effectively had a a lesbian cuz Dr. Amaro was dating a woman um and Deidra Amaro and I don't know what to describe Dr. Andrew as.
14:48Andrew Gerhardt, I guess. I don't know he what he's married to. He's got to be remotely into this.
14:54Too many coincidences.
14:57Moving on from that, interesting little tidbit for you. Remember how Frank Turek described them receiving scrubs from the hospital? And I've always found that to be remarkably suspicious. You don't just get surgical scrubs at an ER because you're covered in blood. Uh still, by the way, nobody knows why or how he got that blood on him because if Brian Harpole is to be believed, he was doing all of the work while Rob Cutler was holding him, while Frank was praying in the back. So, we asked the question, how could these stories be so different where Frank says he did CPR and Brian says he didn't?
15:32Did Frank just write himself into the story because he needed to explain why he took off all of his clothes to the hospital and was wearing scrubs? Because it would be pretty weird if you did that if you were not in fact covered in blood. There had to be another reason that you did that if you were not in fact covered in blood.
15:48Like I said, Brian doesn't recall Frank doing CPR. Frank says Brian was distracted and just didn't realize what he had done for the last 30 seconds. He just got distracted on this remarkably short car ride to the office and didn't see him lay Charlie down flat and start doing mouth-to-mouth CPR.
16:06Okay.
16:08But I'd wondered, we had all sort of wondered aloud, what exactly happened to their clothes then, right?
16:15Brian said, "I cut Charlie. I took the shirt." What happened to the clothes?
16:18Well, I will say Frank Turik's name was not explicitly mentioned, but uh I did hear that the feds, the FBI, took the clothes from certain members of Charlie's security team security team down to their boxer briefs, took their clothes.
16:40Down to their boxer briefs the FBI took their clothing. So, how are we to digest that?
16:47Well, in a normal scenario, we would think, "Oh, great. They obviously did that in an effort to collect evidence.
16:52That's what they should be doing, bagging the clothing and sending it to be stored for further examination or in case it comes out uh maybe further testing, might maybe it'll come up in uh throughout the course of the court cases."
17:05But this is not a normal situation.
17:07These feds were not doing anything normal, right? We know this because we learned that the feds immediately had the car towed, sent away, wanted it cleaned and resold.
17:19They didn't take it and go, "Let's keep this for evidence." They get rid of the car. So, I don't think that they said, "Get rid of the car, but let's keep Brian Harpole's or Rick Cutler's boxers for evidence." In my mind, they likely took their clothes and had them destroyed. That's in my mind. I don't know that for certain.
17:38It's an unknowable thing, unless you are Tyler Robinson's defense team and you can demand access to that sort of information, which I would if I was on Tyler Robinson's defense.
17:49Down to the boxers.
17:52The feds took it.
17:54You see, I'm a I'm a person who actually, just to be clear, so that I'm record, I want the judge to come back in September and say that there is enough evidence to move the case forward, that the influencers were convincing uh me and Turning Point in that regard we're kind of rooting for the same thing, but for different reasons. I personally just want to see how long they can keep this farce going.
18:16I want more information to become available to the public. I want to see them do that thing that's going to happen more like, I don't know.
18:23I don't my body cam just went out at right exact moment when I found the screwdriver.
18:28It's going to be a lot of that.
18:30I want the story to become increasingly more cartoonish, for the influencers to become influencers to become more radical uh because I think it's needed for the world to awaken to what exactly it is that rules over us.
18:44>> [snorts] >> I also want to mention a little bit more about this hospital. Another very interesting tip that we received, and I believe this is a potentially explosive lead, and in the interest of protecting the source, I'm going to remove the narrative and just tell you the facts regarding uh what allegedly took place.
19:02Now, many of us have noted how odd it is that there were no eyewitnesses to the extremely erratic, chaotic, and utterly improbable ER scene that was depicted by Brian Harpole where where are the witnesses? Where are the witnesses we wondered to this middle-aged man jumping on a stretcher stretcher which he treated himself to treat yourself take a stretcher on your own if you feel you're important enough then took out some scissors who knows where he got those from maybe from his bag and jumped onto the onto the gunshot wound victim cut a freedom t-shirt in half to prep for a defibrillator that nobody mentioned to you while going back
19:41and forth with the surgical team about what drugs to give to Charlie.
19:46That clip can never be played enough by the way. So far beyond ludicrous that we should take a listen to it again.
19:53>> We get to the hospital actually we we make it to the hospital through the traffic. We've got full room back in we get out and we carry in to the door once we make it into the door where we see a gurney on the left hand side. We put him on a gurney and then I wheel him into a room.
20:13I start uh giving um uh the patient information to the staff there.
20:21I end up getting on top of him and cutting the shirt that he had on off that white freedom shirt.
20:28And so I cut it off so they could get to him so that um I I I I didn't articulate this to them but I wanted to get that stuff off so they could put a defibrillator on him.
20:42And so uh um and then start talking about pushing drugs.
20:48And so I was back and forth and with them on drugs and defibrillator.
20:53And and so then um you know once you get that cut shirt off shirt cut off and moved out of the way you know there's enough of medical professionals in there and so I just want to get out of their way.
21:05And so um, I out of their way and walked out of the room and then stood outside uh the room and held guard on the outside door of the room so nobody else could come in there.
21:19>> [laughter] >> Okay. So, that's a man who fell asleep watching Dr. House reruns.
21:26Okay, that that's just that it's just like it's just he just pictured himself as Dr. House.
21:33None of that was real life.
21:35But it it I love the part where he's like, "And then I excused myself." Like they I was I could have stayed in longer, obviously, but nobody asked me to leave. I just was like, "Okay, let's run through the drugs. I need 2 g I need 2 mg of this. I need 2 4 mg of this.
21:47Hey, bring in this. Who's got the T Okay. All right, there's enough for you guys. I'm I'm going to I'll I'll see myself out and I'm going to guard the door.
21:56None of that takes place in a real emergency room setting. We just know that that doesn't take place in a real emergency room setting. I am so tired of having to play stupid and interested in these narratives that they keep spinning that are coming from TV.
22:12Okay?
22:13They're He is not in charge of deciding what medicine to give to administer to a patient that you've rushed in and said has a gunshot wound. There would actually be more security protocol. You'd be thinking, "Did a husband shoot his wife?" You know, you don't just trust people. Now he's got a pair of scissors. You just would be like, "You need to you you need to see yourself out." Thank you. Not this guy.
22:37Anyway, back to our question. Where are the witnesses to the events that took place that day at Timpanogos Hospital?
22:44Where are they? That's a scene.
22:46Did they Did they see him doing that?
22:48Did you Didn't they see Dr. House, Dr.
22:50Harpole House?
22:53Well, listen to this.
22:56I am told that at some point in the 10:00 a.m.
23:00hour on September 10th. So, to be clear, and this is crucial, over 2 hours before Charlie was shot, the Timpanogos Hospital staff directed everyone who was in the emergency room into a different wing of the hospital.
23:20People were not sure what was going on.
23:23The staff was directed to move everyone in the emergency room to a different wing of the hospital.
23:29Then after some time, at approximately 11:30 a.m., patients were informed that they would be transferred aboard shuttles to Intermountain Hospital. That's That's Utah Valley Hospital.
23:43And that's what happened.
23:46All of the emergency room patients and all of their files were then transferred to Intermountain.
23:54So, there's effectively no trail outside of hospital cameras, which have been conveniently seized by Kash Patel's office, of these patients ever having been at Timpanogos Hospital. Now, there are a few things I'd like to say here. First, there's always a trail.
24:11There's always a trail.
24:14Somebody, somewhere, drove that shuttle bus, booked the shuttle bus, saw the shuttle bus arriving at Intermountain Hospital, was working at Intermountain Hospital when a shuttle bus stopped and people emerged and files mysteriously then were transferred. And if you are that somebody, that one body, please email us.
24:35By the way, I just want to mention, if you were one of those patients, you probably should also contact a lawyer, but you can't pull that off without something. There's also some techy people, maybe the Google satellite imagery. This shuttle, somebody's going to look up shuttle companies. There was there a weird trip that day?
24:51Let's get on that.
24:53More tips at CandaceOwens.com, because if we are able to prove that this took place beyond a shadow of a doubt with paperwork, then I would say foreknowledge of Charlie's assassination can no longer be disputed.
25:08So again, please email us more tips at Candace Owens.com. Now I can tell you I trust very much that this information is accurate.
25:16Uh and I would now like to remind you guys of another fact which I think supplies some credence to this claim.
25:25A story which we broke way back in October of last year, on October 28th to be specific, we couldn't figure out why, but we were like, Charlie has a hospital file that was at Utah Valley Hospital.
25:38We were so confused by this. Somebody had leaked this to us. People who worked there were certain that he was being treated at Utah Valley at Intermountain because not only did he have a file there, but they were specifically instructing people um not to touch or open that file. Do you remember that? I'll just going to show you that file again. October 28th, we we did this episode. Uh do we have that file?
26:02Okay, they're going to pull it up in a second. You'll just let me know, Sky, when you have it. So we were completely bewildered. We were going, did they even go to Timpanogos?
26:10We don't have anyone at Timpanogos. We were asking the question, did they go to uh did Charlie actually secretly go to Utah Valley Hospital?
26:21Uh we had specifically mentioned that the Timpanogos hospital system, they use a system called uh called Epic didn't did not speak to Utah Valley's Intermountain Health System, so it made it entirely no sense that Charlie's file would appear there, but it was there.
26:34And there was no way this person could have made it up because it had Charlie's personal details, even his like home address back in Illinois, which is not available to the public, and we never got an answer on this. We were just like, why would Charlie's file I actually was inclined to think that Charlie was actually brought there.
26:54But now I'm going, well, if what this source, and I trust this source, is telling us is accurate, then we may have our answer.
27:03All emergency room files on September 10th, which included Charlie's, were transferred out, electronic files were transferred out to Utah Valley.
27:15And that is a massive scandal.
27:19A massive scandal if we can get a uh uh hard evidence that proves that. And I'm going to show you that document now, by the way, because you probably don't remember this, but yes, we broke the story. There he was.
27:32Uh it said Charles J. Kirk and it uh had him in [clears throat] there, and we had more information that we just wiped cuz we wanted to protect person who had given us this, but it did have also his beyond his birthday, it also had his um address.
27:48And other people were also in the system. So, we were we're looking at Utah Valley's system, and Charlie was a patient on September 10th.
27:59Anyway, uh there there is more.
28:03And uh that I could tell you, but I I I think it would identify a source, so I would rather not do that.
28:12All right, you guys, we should definitely uh take a break. I think we're about 30 minutes into this. We'll be right back.
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30:11I see someone already mentioned the chat, great idea. Where are the flock cameras? Surely we would be able to catch that shuttle on there. Yes, we should be able to do a is it called a gamma request in the state of Utah?
30:22Somebody's going to catch the shuttle. I just know that that's just very precise and specific and like I said, I trust the source. So go max people.
30:31Speaking of which, yesterday we received so many emails from surgeons and doctors and people that are in the medical field cuz I did not even bother how traverse and give my medical opinion cuz I I I'm not informed. I I trust the people who work in these industries to tell me things I need to notice.
30:49Similar to the T-shirt and people going, "That's a T-shirt on the ground. That's the T-shirt. It turns into plastic."
30:54Uh well, people uh who work in the medical industry were deeply bothered, deeply bothered by uh Charlie's medical exam, uh the little bit that was published by the prosecution in their filing yesterday. And I just wanted to read you a couple of these emails that we received. This person wrote, "Dear Candace, so much gratitude for your razor-sharp investigation and intuition.
31:16I am a board-certified anesthesiologist with 25 years of clinical experience, and I have a solid grasp of anatomy. I agree with you and John Bray that the exploding mic theory is the best explanation of what we could grasp from the limited footage available. Briefly, number one, given the eruption of blood and or of a tissue emanating from Charlie's neck, it is clear that the large vessels of the neck, the left carotid artery and the jugular vein, were transected.
31:42This kind of extrusion is more consistent with an exit wound. However, because because large blood vessels were involved, we cannot rule out the possibility that a bullet entering his left neck would have resulted in what we saw.
31:54Two, if Charlie was shot from the rear and the bullet exited the left neck, it would most certainly do what was observed. However, there is no evidence that he was shot from behind. Three, if Charlie was hit from the front, momentum from the bullet would have sent his torso backwards.
32:08That is not what we saw.
32:10Four, a shaped charge in the road microphone would have sent a projectile from his R anterior chest upward and leftward, likely exing exiting from his left neck or entering his cervical spine. The projectile would have almost certainly damaged both lungs and possibly his heart. In other words, there would have been pulmonary hemorrhaging and possibly hemorrhaging around the heart as well.
32:32The exploding mic is thus the best fit from what we could see and what the coroner reported. The bullet fragments, however, are a mystery. I suspect that what was found what was found was not bullet fragments, but the casing of the shaped charge, which would have served as the projectile.
32:48I I do want to say this that that piece right there about I suspect which just go up in that email that that that could have actually been from the shaped charge. I was asking my team that. I was going, "Why why is the base assumption in this report like when they send these tiny little fragments, three or four of which were unusual were unusable, pardon me. The the ATF testified I think that they received five fragments. Four were unusable unusable and one was big enough for them to use. Why is the base assumption that you're looking at a bullet?
33:20It's It's like telling somebody the answer. Like, "Hey, this is a bullet fragment." When we know that it's it's the same metal. It could have the same jacketing if you use a shaped charge. I was interested in that and something that yeah, he he is suspecting that what was found was not bullet fragments, but the casing of the shaped charge, which would have served as the projectile.
33:41Um I totally agree with that.
33:44He continues, "No ambulance with resuscitative equipment or trained personnel immediately available. No defibrillators, no access to IV drugs.
33:53He certainly sustained a neck injury and his neck should have been stabilized before moving him."
33:58I think it wasn't stabilized because they were hiding what was on his shirt.
34:03It's my opinion.
34:05Given his injuries to the big blood vessels, he would have gone into hypovolemic shock, massive blood loss within minutes and would have required cardiac resuscitation, which meant that chest compressions would have been immediately required to restore blood circulation.
34:20None of that was initiated at the scene and would have been nearly impossible to perform in the back of an SUV.
34:25In my estimation, he was murdered from a shaped charge on his ar- on his ar- chest and his security team did their best in a highly rehearsed fashion to get him the hell out of there before anybody could see what happened. Just going to stop that and say, this is somebody else's opinion. It is not mine.
34:43I am just we'll stop there. But, yeah, you get the point. And I do believe that there is so much evidence there that that's what happened.
34:55That that that he got hit by a shape charge and I think that the there was no gun on the rooftop.
35:02There was a person who was told to run and so that they could blame another decoy. Everybody's looking at Lozi.
35:10And we are being lied to. I think we all agree. That's why you're here, right?
35:15This next person said that they're a transplant coordinator.
35:19Um previously a scrub nurse in the OR for years and I worked at a level one trauma center. I have scrubbed in on more gunshot wounds than I could ever count. I've never seen thoracic trauma or hemorrhaging for that matter in a gunshot wound to the head or neck.
35:36There would have to have been a blunt force trauma to the chest, which would make a lot of sense if his microphone exploded under his shirt.
35:43Also, I was yelling at the TV when I was watching Baron's podcast the other day regarding the autopsy. It takes at least eight hours for your deep core body temperature to reach 40° in a morgue cooler. The time line would only support about three hours in the morgue depending on how much time Erica spent with him when she arrived. And that's if his body was ever taken to the morgue.
36:03Nothing about the case makes any sense and it's infuriating. I thank God for all of your hard work. Go max. Justice for Charlie. That was interesting, too.
36:10I told you the speed of the autopsy is incredible. We were looking this up and it is true that the protocol is to bring the body down to 40° in the morgue.
36:20Usually it obviously these things do not happen by morning time. You're prepared to be shipped especially in a case that's big. Why wouldn't you want to do the most thorough autopsy of all time?
36:31And um that wasn't the circumstance here. It was rushed, but we did look up, even though it's not normal, doesn't follow normal protocol, it certainly isn't illegal to just instantly dive into doing an autopsy. Um it it they the the body um it it's it's capable of doing that within, I think, what was it? 12 hours?
36:5012 hours before they start to get decomposition. We were looking that up, so the body wouldn't have decomposed, but it's just not what they usually do.
36:59Everything was extraordinary. Like, they just rushed it. And when you do the timeline of how quickly that all had to happen, it's insane.
37:10Why? Why would you want that rushed?
37:13Why would you want that rushed?
37:18I think we all know why you would want that rushed.
37:23Um the I'm going to read one more of these comments actually from from doctors that were writing on YouTube.
37:29One writes, "I am a surgeon based on the medical examiner's report, the trajectory from the roof is not possible. Charlie was hit in the low neck. The medical examiner's report said much of his cervical spine was traumatically gone, and that the left side of C2 to C7 was obliterated. To have affected up to C2, it would have had to have been an upward trajectory from the point of entry on his neck."
37:51I heard a a podcaster, Project Constitution, say that Charlie was also wearing a road transmitter at his left waist. If this had a shaped charge, the trajectory would make sense for entering below neck and hitting his cervical spine.
38:04Uh tend to agree with you.
38:07I'm team road mic. After everything that I've seen, I am team road mic.
38:12So, um we will see. Anyway, I will take a really quick break here, and we will come back with some of your comments and uh thoughts.
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40:10I want to remind you guys that there is still zero evidence, zero concrete evidence that has been produced that there was ever even a gun on the Lozi Center.
40:23After all, this is how they do things.
40:24It's a psychological game. They want you to fill in the blanks. They actually produce no evidence. They just keep saying gunshot gunshot gunshot and you go, "Okay, well, I saw a person run out of the roof, so he must have been the person who shot it." And actually, when we went back and we had showed you that guy um who recorded and said the only person to capture um who was on campus who captured before the sound I now refer to as a sound cuz they kept telling us gunshot uh went off, he says that he sees someone up on the roof right there. He doesn't say It's remarkable. He recalled in detail the military movements and some guy
40:59getting into position. What he did not say, however, was that he saw a man with a gun get into that position. So, if he observed a person military crawling, which has been true proven true, and he saw this person gets down and into a position, and then whipped out his phone to record it. Don't you think the first thing he would have said was, "I just saw somebody with a gun on the roof?" I mean, listen to what he actually says.
41:24Again, this is recorded seconds before the sound of an explosive went off. Take a listen.
41:31>> Getting right up.
41:32>> Yeah, you think he'd already be in place?
41:35>> You would think that.
41:37So, there's somebody on the roof right there.
41:39Just saying.
41:40>> Huh, he just ran from uh over Where's my finger?
41:45Well, go from over there, ran in.
41:48And now he's right there.
41:50Just saying.
41:53>> And then he stops recording and then he hears a bang and then he's going, "Oh."
41:58And then the news is is saying Charlie Kirk was shot with a gun from someone on Lozi Center and he's thinking, "Oh, I saw the person who shot him at Lozi Center.
42:07I'm going to take this to the to the police station and report this."
42:12But the idea that there was ever a gun on that rooftop of the Looney Center, that's narrative.
42:18It's not a fact, and I do not believe that there was a gun. Least of all do I believe that it was Tyler Robinson's gun, which has dust on the barrel and his prints as the most degraded that was on that rooftop.
42:33You might be have gotten me if you said it was a handgun and then we wouldn't be expecting to see it.
42:38But a German 98 Mauser, a it's completely ridiculous. So I just want to remind you of that. That they That's what they keep doing. That same influencer overwhelm campaign, it's constantly telling you not to believe your own eyes. We will fill in the blanks and tell you what you see.
42:56That's why they were so angry at Miss Piggy when we dropped that video.
42:59Because people got to see with their own eyes and go, "Wow, um where did Tyler Robinson learn those moves?"
43:06Someone even pointed out just the the bravery it takes to just jump off of a rooftop that you haven't You haven't tried doing that before. Have you measured the Like I mean, have you ever been out with your friends and just tried to jump off of a cliff into water below?
43:19Like how much effort it do you like terrified? You look below a couple times. This person just sprints, has it, lands, keeps going. I Where did he learn that?
43:34What was in that Chick-fil-A sandwich?
43:37One of the greatest mysteries. What What did he order at Chick-fil-A?
43:42Anyway, top comments from last episode.
43:44GI 6791 writes, "The fact that he'll take the time to mock you," referring to Andrew Colberg, "won't take the time to answer your questions, well, it says it all."
43:54What says it all also is just how angry they are.
43:56How angry?
43:58You're telling us that you're Charlie's best friends. You know everything about this guy.
44:03You see that and you don't go, "Wow, that's really weird. I'm starting to think that there may have been some more people involved. I want some more answers. Hey Candace, thank you so much for releasing that footage. I really didn't know what to think when you were saying that somebody uh said there was military movements, but this is this changes the game. No.
44:22No. No, they're angry.
44:25How dare you?
44:28Here's uh we scrolled through 367 hours of your podcast. Here are the words you mispronounced, so nobody should listen to you or watch that video. What? Are you good? Are you sober?
44:41Chrissy writes, "No footage of anyone pulling a gun out of their pants, but lots of evidence of Turning Point USA pulling another narrative out of their butts." Yeah, and they're going to keep doing that. They're going to keep doing that.
44:55By the way, I think my favorite comment came from A Ray 4544 regarding the ridiculousness of telling us that we don't have a right to ask a question uh of where Charlie Kirk buried. The This user wrote, "We can be mailed private love letters that Charlie wrote to Erica that he expected no one to see as a fundraiser material.
45:15Yeah, we can't know if he's cremated.
45:17Yes or no?"
45:19Sure, Jan.
45:20>> [laughter] >> That's it. That's like if they they it's ridiculous.
45:25How dare you ask that question? Can I have anything? Yeah, how about keep the love letters that he wrote to you.
45:33By the way, as I said, you start to notice that trend. I wish I had pulled in today.
45:37That every time Erica ever posts or shares something about Charlie, it's actually her sharing something about herself.
45:42Like Charlie's like, "You're amazing. I love you." and she shares it. "Erica, you're the best person. Erica, you're so smart." and then she shares as if she's sharing Charlie, but she's actually saying, "Look at how much Charlie thought I was amazing, and you guys should think I'm amazing, too." And I also reflected on even that moment, and I did not think this at the time cuz I was just in the stage of of grief, and I like I said, in that moment I feel like at Memorial, I needed something from Erica. I was just like, "Oh, we're all going to be fighting together." But when you reflect on that moment, which they
46:11sold to us, and which many of us, myself included, believed was this demonstration of the deepest and truest kind of Christianity, cuz she said, "I forgive him."
46:23In retrospect, what Erica was doing was so evil. She was actually saying, "I convict him."
46:32I convict Tyler Robinson, not forgive.
46:36I convict.
46:38She didn't have any idea that he had done it.
46:42We had him. He wasn't She hadn't seen any evidence um that herself. Maybe the assumption was that she did, that she went to UVU when they showed her. No.
46:53She got on that stage. She put on a performance, and she said, "I convict this man. I send this man to his death."
47:03That's the reality.
47:04That is the reality.
47:06Anyway, [snorts] some comments that you guys have for us on today's episode.
47:10Renee Rice Charlie was killed soon after I lost my husband. I reached out to his first wife, and your show bonded us.
47:18Today is her birthday. We both always stay home, so I don't see her. Please wish Susanna a happy birthday. We love you and all your hard work for Charlie.
47:24God bless you and your family. Happy birthday to Susanna.
47:27Um and thank you for that comment. True Detective writes, "In the words of the late Prince, and honey, I say little dread Corvette baby, you lie too fast.
47:36Oh, little dread Corvette, you need some bull that's going to last. Now, the '80s have turned against Turning Point."
47:43Yeah, there's a Uh we're I think we're all kind of just wondering how long they're going to keep it up for.
47:50How long is this going to go on?
47:52It's just demanding people get arrested.
47:53That's the stage you're at. You're like late-stage crazy. People who know the truth and are sharing the truth, arrest them. Raid their homes.
48:01Okay.
48:02Uh I am relentless writes, "These people undoubtedly suffer anxiety." I'm not sure who specifically you're speaking about, maybe Turning Point USA there.
48:12Mal writes, "I've heard you say a few times that God only gives us what we can handle, but that isn't true. God will always give us more than we can handle because then we will need to turn to him for his help. He wants us to come to him." Blessings to you. Uh Christ is King. Now, I think it but the point is is like it's more than you can handle, then you can handle it, right? If you if you get through it, man, you're you're stronger. You get strengthened by it.
48:33So, even if at the time you're in it and you don't think that it is helping and you're on your knees just being like, "Please stop." That was how I felt.
48:42Like, I just remember the trip to Russia was where I was I was going, "Okay, I'm I'm having This is my breaking point." There was so much that was going on in my life in just this you know, the Charlie assassination, obviously, at the end of last year, followed by um me then having to contend with the fight with realizing that they were all fighting me because I wasn't, I don't know, in the cartel, so to speak, and I just then had to process that parts of my life were a lie, that Charlie's life was a lie, and that I was going to have to go to battle with all of these people. That's enough to completely break you. Then, I actually
49:22broke my foot like actually on Friday the 13th. Uh like the same around the same time that like I found out that I was pregnant.
49:32Then, I had a cancer scare, by the way, just to be clear. It's way past it. It's to everything's totally fine. Um but I had It was just one of those appointments that then turned into a second appointment and some later testing, which always then just takes too long to come back from the lab. And I was just like, "I can't take anymore."
49:50And we're sitting here waiting for these results to come back. It was for thyroid, so it's also a very survivable cancer. But um and then I have we're going to Russia. I'm like, okay, I can get away, totally get away.
50:03Then you know, the president of the United States like tweets my face. It's like vile's most person most vile person of the year for no reason. I have we were not talking about Trump on this show, so that seemed totally sideways and crazy. And then I get to Russia and my security security member literally almost dies.
50:20And I just remember at this point being like, okay, God.
50:26Far be it from me.
50:28You know, far be it from me to say anything.
50:32But this feels passive-aggressive.
50:34This is starting to feel Do we have What What did I do? Let's talk or whatever.
50:39And then you reflect on it, you get through it, and you realize like everything happens for a reason. You can take on so much more than you think you can take on. And at those moments it's like there you're just being strengthened. Like it's like going to a gym and this is a terrible obviously analogy. But you're so sore and everything hurts, but it it makes you stronger. Like doing those exercises makes you stronger. And now I just feel so fashioned. And like I say to you guys, I just feel like Charlie's fighting with us. I just keep saying that. I feel like he is fighting with us right now, and so
51:10um yeah, God does give you more than you can handle, but like also doesn't give you more than you can handle cuz you come out the other side of it.
51:17Seven Sheets writes, I am amazed and amused by the oh so prolific naysayers to you online with maybe one of your reach and believers. They're crazy, but they seem so tough enough to open a jar of pickles if you know what I mean. I'm here with you and God bless. Yeah, they're just insane. And there's something also just extraordinarily like gay, like 90s gay about like men that do that full-time online. It's just like I'm like, stop.
51:39Like stop being a woman. Like let us do that.
51:42You see these guys like, Candace this.
51:44Candace debate me. Candace Candace don't look at me. Candace I'm like, uh Like the culture of men online.
51:52Men when men podcast, they can't podcast like women. Do you get what I mean?
51:57Be If you're going to be a man and you're going to podcast like and they kind of carved out the podcast space.
52:02But who was it? It was the military bros. It was like Joe Rogan having on like UFC fighters. They were talking about their diet and their exercise and you're like, "Oh, that's a man podcast."
52:11Now we have these like sissies who are like, "Did you hear what Candace said yesterday? Oh, did you hear what Candace and I Ew. Please don't do that. It's so gross. It's so gross. I hate looking at these men. It bothers me deeply. It's They're They're all Emmanuel Macron.
52:27Don't act like Emmanuel Macron.
52:29Act like Brigitte.
52:31You know?
52:32Be a man.
52:34Art of Savagery writes, "God bless every single person who has spoken up or offered assistance in this investigation, including those who will speak out in the near future. To God be the glory. Rest peacefully, Charlie.
52:43Your David has got this." Well, that is a perfect place to end today's episode.
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