0:01You know, that's got to hit home. It's you know I think without without sounding insensitive also I think when I look at these stories and then I these stories which are so horrific and where you have victims or survivors who have just been through it and then you know sitting in court [snorts] for Harvey Weinstein's third retrial where even the Prosecutors are saying, "Okay, this girl was in a 4-year relationship with Harvey, right? They did have consensual sex. He did things for her. He took her here. He took her there." You know, we're trying him on one occasion in a hotel room where she says that she said no. Again, it's it's
0:58just like and I don't sorry, I don't want to get cancelled for saying this.
1:02It's such a fine line to tow, but you are sitting there and you were like, "Okay, >> you you were having sexual relations with this man for 4 years. It's clear she wasn't very proud of that, right?
1:18He's disgusting. Very powerful." You have to see the evidence. You I was there for part of trial 2 um in New York. Then I I switched over to Diddy.
1:30But when you you hear a lot of this evidence and and I am only talking about the Jessica Man case specifically. I'm not talking about California. I know that he assaulted women or else why the hell would he pay such a huge sum of money for part of these civil suits if he wasn't actually guilty in my opinion.
1:48He is guilty there. But when you hear about this, you're just like, man, I have really, I've spoken to victims who have horrible stories. And I understand there's also what a, you know, not every story is the same. Not every survivor, you know, I get that. I totally get that. There just something about it, you know, when you're sitting there and you're like, okay, well, you know, this feels strange.
2:13>> Some are more compelling than others, for sure.
2:17>> Yeah. It just doesn't I don't know. And I I mentioned to you guys when I walked in, like, you know, we're in court yesterday and Alvin Bragg walks in and you're like, "Oh, yeah." Like, "Go get the criminal." Yeah. No, he's the DA.
2:28It's like, "Go catch the the criminals, please." Like, this man in a wheelchair that is basically dead. Like, he's basically dead. I'm sorry. Like, he's not a threat to our city right now.
2:39You're trying this man for a third time on a class E felony. you know, like I I I understand where maybe as a whole it's important to to the survivors or to, you know, people that that >> But it's political theater at the end of the day, him coming >> 100%. Do you think if this guy's name was like Johnson Har like we'd be here for that Harvey Johnson? No, we wouldn't be. It's because he's Harvey Weinstein and for whatever reason, Alvin Bragg thinks that like winning that case will make him look good. And I just don't I think it's it's the opposite. I'm I'm kind of pissed that we're spending our
3:14you know I live in Manhattan. My money is going to that trial. It's so silly.
3:18>> I understand.
3:18>> And then and also the Jessica man, the the victim and all this. Like she has to tell her story over and over again.
3:25Again, I'm not especially moved by her story. That's that's my opinion, but that doesn't mean that, you know, she didn't necessarily go through it.
3:34>> Sure.
3:34>> I'm just saying uh to make her get up there for right how many times now? That also seems weird.
3:41Yeah, it's just those cases are also, you know, like we hear about the Weinstein one because of and righteously so like how powerful he was and and the people he took advantage of, but then >> there's all these other cases that are powerful people that just maybe aren't on the news, national news, or you don't know their name or whatever, but it's the same kind of thing or worse, and you know, you're going out there and getting the stories. So, I I was unfamiliar with the Utah one. I have to look into that more.
4:11>> You have to you have to look it up. I like I said, it's actually makes me sad that I I can't I wasn't ready to or I guess I wasn't prepared to speak on it.
4:20Um but I went so deep. I went so deep. I up all night talking to survivors. I mean, it it's it's a lot. It it's crazy.
4:32So, >> maybe maybe for another time I'll Yeah.
4:35refresh on Yeah, that's him. He is.
4:38>> Yeah.
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5:29>> Garcia was interesting. some lack of details, but also reported as a danger to himself, but not other people. That could be a clerical mistake or it could be what the [ __ ] >> But the guy Chavez, who was retired, 78 years old, retired from Los Alamos, he had been prior to working at Los Alamos, he worked at an HVAC company. So the way I understood the reporting was that he had a high level clearance similarly to Garcia because he had access to a lot of serious stuff at Los Alamos, but he wasn't a scientist and he was probably working on HVAC. Some of that was a little unclear. What do you know?
6:04>> Yes, I so I also reported that he um was an HVAC tech.
6:11Now again, I could not independently verify this through public affairs. I am still working on it. But he uh disappeared in May of 2025 on foot. He left his home in Los Alamos, New Mexico.
6:24And uh his neighborhood was the the Denver Steels neighborhood, which is not as isolated, right, as some of the others. Um but his wallet, keys, and cigarettes were on the living room table, and his car was locked in the driveway. and he uh per a friend had his friend said he never carried a cell phone. So >> would did he have any documented medical issues pertaining to potential early onset dementia or something like that that people have discussed?
6:53>> Nope. Not not that's been reported. Um >> he's never been seen again. There's no body.
6:57>> No body. He they said he hiked in Pueblo Canyon often, but it didn't seem like he left home that day to prepare for a hike. Right. Um, and the weather wasn't that great. So, why he left his home, that remains a mystery.
7:14>> Do we know how long ago he had retired from Los Alamos?
7:18>> I don't I'm not Again, I'm not find that.
7:20>> No, I'm not sure. Again, that that just goes back to public affairs being like, "Sorry."
7:25>> So, it's tough. You You got to find sources. Um, I did reach out to to one source that I found on Facebook. I'm still waiting. Um, [laughter] so that seems to be the the key here.
7:36Um, but again it's like not many people want to talk about this, >> right? And again, that could be nothing too because he wasn't one of the scientists or something like that. He was someone at least working on at least something else. It's not related to actually dealing with any weaponry or advanced technology, but he could have had access to see something he wasn't supposed to see if you want to go there.
7:56Pure respect. [laughter] >> But so that's the three that were the non guaranteed non-scientists. We covered the MIT guy and we and we covered Jason Thomas the Nardis guy which seems to be totally totally separate.
8:12>> But then there's two more classes. The first one is Amy Escridge and then the second one is the five scientists some of whom we've already covered. We'll knock out a couple more and then kind of get to Maslin a little more. Yeah. But Amy Escridge, like I was saying, when we had a chance to look at some videos of her and everything over the weekend after we recorded this last one, >> some of it feels a little bit like, and I don't mean to be insensitive here, but that she was a little nutty.
8:42>> Definitely not dumb for sure. She was definitely smart. I do have a friend who I'll say spoke with someone very close to her >> this weekend who assured him that a she was dead, b it was suicide, and c she was smart and could work on some things, but she thought she was a 10 on the smart scale, but she overestimated how smart she was and drove herself crazy because of that. And so that's why like whenever yes, there are times of course when people are like I am not suicidal and things like that where they're saying it in a perfectly calm tone and just being clear is you know a a kill switch kind of whatever.
9:33with her. It was a little bit more like [snorts] are are you not, you know, like like there I'm just saying hers was she wasn't the kind of buttoned up person Carl Griller was.
9:47>> Yes, 100%. I I would agree with that. Her parents have come out and said, "Look, scientists die."
9:55>> Oh, they have.
9:56>> Yes. Her her father uh said this, Dr.
10:00Richard Esgridge who was a former NASA scientist and also founded the um Institute of Exotic Science with Amy.
10:08They worked together and look her messages have been surfacing online recently which yeah they say things like she thinks she's being watched. Someone went through her underwear drawer. She feels threatened. It is in writing that she said this before her death, which I think fuels more speculation as to like, look how perfect this is. She was saying that somebody was after her and then she died. Well, I had a source reach out to me and and say that she was suffering from some delusions. Um I you know I again it's tough because you know we can't say one way or another right because we we are not privy to all of
10:55her work. We know that she did not have any type of government clearance right she had no anything >> no not that not that I could find. Um I know that she those videos she keeps saying disclosure is coming out of Huntsville. It is coming. In my opinion, some of those videos, and I'm I'm not a doctor, right? Of course, she seems a little twitchy, almost like something some >> tweaking >> something like on some kind of medication that I couldn't necessarily pinpoint, but it all felt too odd and too perfect that she was saying these things and then it's like, you know, she didn't she didn't kill herself. There's no way. Uh
11:36Eric Berles recently came out and there's no proof behind this but he said that she could have been affected by something called Havana syndrome which is a condition tied to unexplained neurological symptoms. Um so and and that could have been that she was exposed to something right when she >> directed energy.
11:55>> Yes, there you go. So again, you know, but Ross Coloulter has come out and said no, she did not kill herself, you know, and and he's done the research. But >> Ross also said the egg was an alien and I don't know about that.
12:07>> Listen, I I just don't I'm not >> No disrespect. I just I I I think Ross sometimes runs with anything in the I want to believe syndrome >> case. So that's not the for a story like this. That's not the guy I'm going to go to first on the facts.
12:24>> Right. Agree. I totally agree with you.
12:26>> I'm not trying to shred them.
12:28>> No. But I I think it's important that we sort of put all this, you know, in one pot and then kind of stir it and and see what we have here. But yeah, I I I don't think that I think that she most likely killed herself.
12:42>> And it was also misleading when the Daily Mail came out with it and said 11th scientist now dead for the missing scientist when in fact this was back in 2022, right?
12:51>> And she would have been the first one on the list by the way that's deceased. Do do we have a video of her talking deep so that so that people can see this? I'm sure there's something.
12:59>> It's the one where she's like it's kind of from the the neck up almost. That's where I sort of felt the the tweakiness of I don't know.
13:06>> Yeah. Now she's in Huntsville that he's going to pull this up in a second.
13:10>> She's in Huntsville. That's where NASA has I what is it? Redstone Lab or am I making that up?
13:18>> Is that what it is?
13:19>> Oh, sorry.
13:20>> It's it's like Redstone Lab or something like that. Basically, they work on all kinds of propulsion stuff there.
13:25Huntsville is also one of the places where like the operation paperclip, you know, Nazi scientists, >> Redstone Arsenal.
13:32>> Yeah, Redstone Arsenal ended up going to similarly to Wright Patterson, which you mentioned earlier, and I put a little check mark in that. We'll come back to that. You know, there's a lot of alien related or UFO related folklore from those places. Some of which may not be folklore at all. It could have some truth to it.
13:49>> But, you know, that all being together and then the fact that her father is a legitimate >> longtime well-known NASA scientists, it gets righteously so. It gets people thinking. But here is >> here is her I guess shortly before she died. Let's just get a little >> little Amy just to hear kind of what she was talking about.
14:13>> He's been independently discovered four other times.
14:16He said it has been He said it has been suppressed every single [ __ ] time.
14:22And he said, "I don't think they're going to suppress it this time."
14:25>> Talking about this.
14:26>> He said, "I think you're in the clear."
14:29He He said, "They obviously know about you because I've had multiple both protective and threatening interactions with various agency affiliations, whatever." He was like, "If if you haven't had a US government agent come to you and say, "Stop. Shut the [ __ ] up.
14:47Stop. Shut the [ __ ] up. If that hasn't happened, they're gonna let you do it.
14:53They're waiting. They're like there there are SSP [ __ ] that are [ __ ] twiddling their thumbs. Like, is Amy not going to publish soon? God, we've been influencing this [ __ ] forever. Doesn't she know we want her to publish? Jesus.
15:10Like, there's multiple people doing that right now. And on the other side of the fence, there's multiple parties looking at each other like, "Didn't we tell this [ __ ] three years ago that we kill people for this? Is she not listening?
15:24What is she doing? She's still doing it.
15:26What? We told her we were going to kill her 3 years ago." So, I have these two like I have these two different scenarios floating constantly in my life where I have people being like, "Do it, do it, do it. You're the one. Do it."
15:40And then I have multiple people people being like, "They're going to kill you.
15:45Don't do it. They're going to kill you."
15:48>> Okay. De, you had something on this, too.
15:50>> Yeah. I saw something the other day. I wasn't sure if you saw this, too. That there was reports that she had like quit pain medication. Cold turkey.
15:59>> Her mom said that. Yeah. Her mom said she was experiencing pain. Um, I don't know. Again, I'm not an expert, but looking at that video, >> she's maybe drunk, maybe. Um, >> something is in her system there.
16:12>> Something is not >> I'm willing to tell.
16:14>> I mean, it's the mannerisms, too. The the itching the nose constantly. The, you know, the hair. It's She's constantly moving. She's slurring a little bit. There's a few words that she's slurred. Her eyes look very, very big. Yeah, there's something off about that. Um, so yeah, maybe that was when she was on some kind of pain medication.
16:32It's like why? Why? So, this was Jeremy Reese's show, Alien Scientist Online, to be clear. You know, I I see him at the top there. So, I assume that's what it was.
16:45Again, doesn't mean it totally rules it out, but why is someone who also might be on something going and if they're allegedly this close to the world's most famous, deepest, darkest secret, openly talking about it on a Zoom YouTube channel, you know what I mean? Like, >> yeah, >> some red flags are flying with that. And I I also do have to say, and this will if this reveals some bias, it's only fair that I say this. I I've just seen some [ __ ] with this space. When you start getting to the UFOs and the people who come out and talk about them, I have seen some horrible [ __ ] >> and stuff get proven later that like,
17:32okay, because I I totally believe aliens exist. I totally believe we're not alone, but it's like what are they coming out and telling us? I'm not even saying they haven't been here, but why are they openly volunteering all this stuff? And then I've seen behind the scenes some stories that were brought blow up. Meaning like >> proven totally false that then other stories that I thought had decent evidence which might still I don't know but it leads me to question it because like I know that the same guys who brought those stories are the ones who brought this one.
18:06>> Yeah. And I I do feel like if you are saying out loud, they're going to kill me. If I do this, they're going to kill me. I don't think necessarily the people that have information to be killed over potentially are going to do that, are going to behave that way.
18:26>> Edward Snowden never did that.
18:28>> That is that is my opinion. Um yeah. So, I I just feel like this it's not connected. And I I I do I believe at this moment that she did take her own life tragically. Um but >> and the thing that sucks for the parents is because the father strictly had that title and worked at NASA, >> everyone's gonna be like, "Well, that's what he's forced to say or that he's a part of the cover."
18:54>> 100%.
18:54>> And listen, >> yep. Can't say 0% chance, but you know, I think you got to be careful making that leap, especially when you have other evidence in front of you where you're like, clearly she she was loosening her deck a little bit. You know what I mean?
19:14>> Yes. 100%.
19:15>> And like, listen, she went to she had some serious degrees and stuff like that. Like, this was not a dumb girl.
19:20>> No. But she she definitely had some at least reported history of delusions.
19:27Does that mean for a fact she's lying about everything? No. But you should be very skeptical, especially considering the fact it took >> the Daily Mail so long to go back and find her.
19:38>> And then say she's the 11th, but really she was the first.
19:40>> Yeah.
19:41>> You know, and you found out she didn't have government contracts cuz that's what we thought she did when we went when we went on air. because this had just happened. We were and and that's we're that's why we say pure spec with some things because like we're trying to be careful with where the facts line up or where something's going to change because we find out something new. But when we talked about her for a few minutes that was at, you know, her location where she was and the company that she worked for, you know, we thought therefore was contracting with the government.
20:14>> I have found no evidence of that. I mean but so but that doesn't I I mean I guess there could be a chance but I have found zero. Um yeah zero.
20:23>> Yeah. Okay. So now back to MIT is out of the way. Nois is out of the way.
20:29Esgridge is out of the way for now.
20:31>> The other three who weren't scientists are out of the way. We talked about Grillare >> Gr or Gromar. He was working on a Caltech guy who had worked with JPL working on finding liquid on foreign exoplanets out in the [ __ ] galaxy.
20:47Pretty important stuff. His wife says nothing to see here. Really quickly cuz you had mentioned you had something that I didn't on the other two guys where there was no listed cause of death. One of the people I was thinking of in the obituary, I forget his name. In the obituary, it mentioned give donations to Alcoholics Anonymous. the other one where it claimed there was no cause of death. Perhaps you're going to correct me on that. He was also 61. He wasn't 30. You know, people die at 61. They get cancer.
21:15>> You're talking about two different people, though. Okay.
21:17>> But can we go through these two guys?
21:18>> Yes. So, first we can talk about Michael David Hicks, who you had mentioned in his obituary. It did read, quote, donation and Michael's memory can be made to alanon.org. That was in his obituary. Michael David Hicks was a planetary scientist affiliated with JPL um and NASA. He contributed to asteroid research um just work I guess related to planetary defense missions. Um he died in 2023 and his cause of death is actually available uh publicly on the Los Angeles medical examiner's website and so I am looking at it right now.
21:55Actually um let me send you if you want to see >> Sure. my I put this in my most recent story from the other day. I'll send it to you, DeF.
22:08Um, okay.
22:11So, his uh cause of death is arteriocllerotic cardiovascular disease. That's cause A.
22:20Cause D. Uh, oh, I'm sorry. Other significant conditions are morbid obesity. And the one thing that um I guess a conspiracy theorist could take note of on [snorts] this is the body status not brought in. The medical examiner's office never saw the body, but that's completely common. If someone has a heart attack and first responders, you know, show up and determine what happened. They don't necessarily need to send the body to the Emmys office. They won't accept it.
22:47>> And also both of those things. What was the first what was the official name of the heart condition? are teroscllerotic cardiovascular disease.
22:55>> Okay. So, heart problems and obesity are two things that could be. I'm not saying they are, but they are >> also related sometimes to alcoholism, of course, because you're not exactly active in that case. Not necessarily everyone, but sometimes that is the case. So, >> yep, >> would make sense. And again, there's >> this is where you have to look at the law of numbers a little bit. There's tens of thousands of people, very smart people working on things like this.
23:22Some of them, >> yeah, >> are obese. Some of them have alcohol problems. And you know what? At some point, they all do die. We all die, you know. And again, he was what, 58?
23:34>> He was 59.
23:36>> Okay.
23:36>> Yeah.
23:37>> So, again, he's not 30.
23:38>> No.
23:39>> You [clears throat] know, he's younger.
23:40There's some issues there. And >> you know, I understand why people are asking questions, but I tend to agree with you. That feels pretty natural to me.
23:49>> It does. It does. I I mean again without digging too much further personally I did not feel the need to contact his family about that um you know and I guess as I continue to work on this story >> I probably should just so I can say that I checked all the boxes right but in the immediate >> as I'm digging that I just sort of pushed to the side I said okay I can sort of for now anyway until I get a little more information I can you know table that and move on to the next one.
24:22>> Now, Maywald was also working at JPL.
24:24He's the one that died at 61 where they claimed there's no cause of death listed. And he his work also at some point involved exoplanets and trying to determine if there was scientifically habitable worlds there, which would include trying to find liquids on these planets, which is very similar to Carl Gilmare's research.
24:44>> Yes.
24:45>> So, what what what am I missing there, too? So with Frank, um what I will say about that is that he reportedly he was German. Um reportedly he died in Los Angeles. That is what his obituary says.
24:58However, he uh is not listed on the medical examiner's website. So I will say that he is not listed anywhere. Um it could be because maybe he his his name is, you know, I've tried a bunch of different names. Francis. I tried, you know, I've been I looked up like the German version of Frank to see if there was one. I haven't really found anything. I have not reached out to his wife yet. I have her contact information, but with Frank, everything that's listed on his obituary and the guest book and um you know, from from what I've seen, they all say that Frank was just this larger than-l life guy,
25:40always smiling, always cracking jokes, always hugging people. And the notes and photos of him, and there's a lot, like this man looked like he had a lot of friends and a lot of fun, too, by the way. Um, it's just it's it's joy, it's laughter, it's love. And I'm also not an idiot. I know that anyone could paint that picture, but to have that many people in his life paint the picture of happiness and love and joy and they're talking about his work. They're saying how brilliant he was, how, you know what I mean? and and somebody there was there was messages about how he was uh a manager and and he trained this person
26:16and that I just I didn't necessarily see anything again that would cause me to really want to dig further when there are other cases that seem to be a little more suspicious. Like I said, the one thing um I did notice is that he's not he's not in the database. Um >> interesting.
26:33>> So that that is something to look into though. Absolutely. Definitely.
26:37>> So we can get an update on that if if you track it all the way down. Yes, >> for sure.
26:40>> Yes.
26:41>> Okay. Now, at the top of the pyramid though are the ones we started this with that we touched on just some of the weird [ __ ] but we can get deeper into now, which is Monica >> and then >> and General Mall in >> general. So, with Monica, it's so sinister too with the disappearance story where she's I believe she's walking with one friend. They're both experienced hikers, which as we said the other day, moral of the story, don't go [ __ ] hiking people. Don't don't go for a long walk alone with nothing like just stay at home. Maybe this doesn't happen. But she's hiking and the friend looks back at one point. She's 30t
27:15behind. She smiles and waves and the next time he looks back she's gone. And as you said, they've searched across all these acreage. They found nothing.
27:24>> But what was what was the nature specifically of her work and when it over overlapped visav JPL and you named another company earlier with the general?
27:34>> Yeah. Um, let me go back if you don't mind. So, I have I've spoken to several sources in Monica's life actually and I got a little more information about that hike.
27:45>> So, apparently the terrain that they were on is what or is very steep. And even the most experienced hiker probably shouldn't jog or run. And for whatever reason, Monica decided to run. The male companion that she was with, I believe, encouraged her to run.
28:06I am told by a source that this male companion had a habit of sort of pushing the limit, maybe putting people in danger too much. Um, they all knew each other that the hikers and many of the searchers from a yoga group because Monica was training to be a yoga instructor. the practice of yoga that she um was practicing it incorporated vadic science and astrology. So it was in her her wheelhouse and this one source said you know I didn't really know much >> about her prior work. I just knew she was a scientist.
28:43>> The crazy part is that the male hiker who last saw her and again they should have never been running but they were.
28:50He gave the last known coordinates. He also gave the last known coordinates to where they found her hat. And I guess she had like a visor on and her scent seemed to stop at the hat, which is also very weird, but her last known coordinates were actually much closer to uh the road or the highway than I think a lot of people initially thought. Yeah.
29:11So, um and again, I'm learning this because I'm in a Facebook group and I'm just like, you know, messaging all these people. while I'm trying to call them and and some of them are again receptive and they'll tell me certain things, but let me just put it this way. I know who the last person she was with. I I know who that is. Um I've chosen at this point obviously not to put his name out there. You don't want the internet turning on them. And I I don't know enough. But this person, if he wasn't already, should have been grilled by police.
29:44>> Um >> was she married?
29:46>> Not Not that I know of. Um, I another source had told me that they had a younger family member who just looked up to Monica like a motherly figure. Like she was just so incredibly sweet to everybody. Um, >> did she have any kids? Was she divorced?
30:02>> No, not that I I've seen. And and again, um, it's weird because some of the people that I talked to, it's like they knew her, but they they didn't almost.
30:13They knew her through yoga. So um it's this it's this community. So going back to I guess you know what she had worked on and how she over overlapped with General McCasslin and you know I learned this based on her uh her LinkedIn page.
30:30So she goes by Monica Jasinto if you want to just pull um that up but basically one of the companies um and there's only two companies listed. It's like uh it's um God [clears throat] sorry rocket.
30:46Yeah, it's Aererojet Rocketine. Yep, that's her. And then Yeah. Um and then >> fellow material science engineering at Aerogjet Rocketine.
30:55>> Yeah. So now, General McCasslin when he was at, let me see, when he was at the Air Force Research Lab um at Wright Patterson, that was 2011, May 2011 to July of 2013.
31:15>> And so Monica, she was at Prattton Whitney during that time. She was there until 2012. So that is where I believe there was a government contract.
31:26>> Well, I also saw there was overlap in the early 2000s between the two of them with JPL, I believe.
31:31>> Okay. So I >> So it could have been two places.
31:33>> I did not see that. This is Yeah, this is what I I was looking at. And so obviously Pratt and Whitney is a major um aerospace company that designs and builds aircraft engines um specifically for military jets and and commercial airplanes and and she was also said to be a total genius. you know, she uh co-atented this burn resistant metal alloy and um she was just working on a lot of stuff >> and I just think that her disappearance is worth talking about because like General McCasslin, she appeared to vanish into thin air and that's what I don't get. you know this person's last known coordinates and I have looked at
32:17the I mean like I said it's hundreds of thousands of acres but I've studied this area even though it would be better if I was there I've spoken to people that have hiked this they have all said we should have been able to find her it shouldn't be that difficult months and months and months dude like months >> all right so two questions one have there been other reported like rape, kidnappings, and stuff like this on these trails. And then two, what kind of animals are we dealing with out there?
32:50>> Yeah. So, the that's it's interesting. I there's not uh there's [clears throat] not a lot of rapes or or kidnappings, I guess. But there are like coyotes, for example. Um, >> for one for one or two coyotes to get her without a scent totally away with no blood trail sounds crazy.
33:11>> I was just about to say you they they don't sorry an animal is not going to eat her entire body. There's going to be >> scream.
33:19>> Exact. Well, so there was another document floating around Twitter. Okay.
33:24And I don't know the origin of this document. I had just seen it and it so I don't know I don't know again you know how valid this is but there was a report that she disappeared or she was last seen around 9:10 a.m. around 2:30 p.m.
33:38heard this document. Again, I don't I don't know. Um, other hikers heard screams at 2:30, but later, >> but again, it's like, well, then why why is it that in all the articles that you see initially when, you know, when the police are putting this out there, why why didn't we know about that? Why didn't we hear that? It just seems strange. So, >> it's very strange.
34:00>> Yeah. And so, I don't know. I I'll take that with a grain of salt. I just don't I don't know if I can sit here and say, "Oh, this was a tragic, unfortunate hiking accident or incident when we haven't found her."
34:11>> She disappeared June 2025. Is that right?
34:13>> Mhm. June 22nd, I believe.
34:16>> June 22nd.
34:17>> Yes.
34:17>> All right. This is really reaching. I'm just throwing it out there because it's interesting.
34:25>> She disappears shortly after they bomb Fordo.
34:30>> Okay.
34:31Mccasin disappears hours before they invade Iran again.
34:37[sighs] Um, >> is there anything there? I don't see any evidence for that, but >> I was going to say, I mean, look, by all accounts, Monica was retired per her friends. Now, if she was working on something classified, obviously her friends would not know that, right? But I would think that you wouldn't have the time to be participating in a yoga group, right? I I don't know. And and and training to be a yoga.
35:03>> If you're retired and you're pulled into something classified to do something, part of it is you got to >> you can't tell anyone. And so you got to have a cover which involves living your life.
35:14>> They're not going to pull you in the lab 24/7 cuz people are going to be like, "Where the [ __ ] is Monica?"
35:18>> Yeah. Okay, that's totally fair. She just did seem to have a lot of time with these friends in this yoga group. They all describe, you know, hanging out a lot, being close like that, but again, they just knew her as this retired scientist.
35:31>> And she had never been married, never had kids, >> so I I could not find anything about that. I I don't I don't know.
35:37>> She's calling herself a different name on LinkedIn. That's interesting.
35:40Different last name.
35:41>> Exactly. So, I mean, again, she, you know, I I couldn't necessarily find anything, but I didn't I didn't ask um I didn't ask the the sources this when I was discussing this with them. I was mainly focused on her disappearance.
35:53What did the other hiker say about so when she disappeared and and he realized she was no longer behind him, what did he do? How soon before he called the cops?
36:03>> I mean, I think it was he kind of was confused. You know, he was looking himself for maybe an hour. Um I'm not certain about that timeline, but I do know that >> and and I'm just saying quote her family. That's her family. Um, a source told me her family was kind of like, "Why why do you always let her go behind you?" Like, and and the word always was used like like maybe this was a thing, you know, like why didn't you why didn't you um I don't know. I >> You said they were very close to the highway.
36:39>> No, where she was. Yeah. Closer. Not very close, but closer than >> How close we talking?
36:45>> I'd have to get the the coordinates. Um I actually >> like within a mile. I can get the last coordinates.
36:53>> I actually put them, you know what? I put them up on Twitter this morning actually. Um, >> I can't tell how far away we are there, DeF. Yeah, that could be [ __ ] 30 miles right there.
37:05>> So, there it is. It's hiker last seen and then her hat found. Uh, so it's last seen at 34.341756.
37:19>> I don't know if >> he's pulling it up on Twitter.
37:23>> I'm like, if you want to just put the Yeah.
37:25>> Yeah. Can you do that on I've never done that on Google Maps.
37:28>> Okay. It's um ready at 34 dot >> 34.
37:36>> Well, >> altitude. So it would be 034.
37:39>> Yep. Uh 34 >> 1756 and then um comma-17 954.
37:53>> What's the >> Oh, sorry. Um 954729.
38:00>> You have 034 in there twice.
38:04Let's just fix that.
38:06>> Yeah. Well, it is interesting.
38:08>> It is. Hold on. It is um >> that's a range.
38:11>> Well, it was Yeah, but it is at it's 34.34.
38:15So, that was >> It's not 0.34. It's 34.34.
38:19Okay.
38:20>> 34341756.
38:25>> Yeah.
38:28>> I'd never done that before. I >> Yeah.
38:31>> I don't know. It'd be interesting to see how accessible it would be for someone to be able to get in there. It's hard.
38:36It's hard to It's hard to tell on right on some of these maps. Um >> Oh, yeah. Maybe you could do it that way.
38:45>> But I actually It's funny because I am so bad with this. I actually sent the coordinates to a geo profiler, so he's going to get back to me on that. Yeah.
38:53Um so, you know, we'll see. Like I said, I I don't know everything, but hopefully I can find the people that do know a lot more than me. Um, but yeah, I I do know that they had said, "Yeah, her family was kind of like, "What the hell?" to this guy. Um, >> and we don't know if the cops have grilled him. You got to assume they have.
39:14>> I'm assuming they have because, right, like it's Yeah, it's it's kind of like that's that's their job to talk to the last person that >> Who who found the hat? Him or the cops?
39:23>> I don't know who found the hat. Um, that is that is unclear. I was actually looking through the Facebook group to see if I could, you know.
39:30>> Is he married?
39:32>> I don't think so.
39:34>> Interesting.
39:35>> Yeah. I Yeah.
39:38Yeah. So, >> you walk into [snorts] the woods, one walks out.
39:42>> Oh, there was a female companion as well, but I cannot get information as to where this female companion was at the time. There's two of them. So, >> that's what I thought. Yeah. No, there was talking like it was only two.
39:53>> No. Yeah. It's It's weird cuz I don't know enough about where I'm kind of like, well, where the hell was this girl? Again, work in progress. Um, you know, still trying to get these answers because for me, >> it's like I'm in the middle here of like trying to figure out from an investigation standpoint, like location-wise, geography, and then it's like you've got their their work backgrounds as well. You know, you've got to separate them first and then sort of put everything together, I guess. For sure.
40:21>> Yeah. Now, this is June 2025.
40:26>> Yes.
40:27>> McCaslin, who we demonstrated at least one overlap with, perhaps two over the years, he disappears February 27th, 2026 on a Friday.
40:39Went out for a hike in the morning or with just the shot or just the pistol like we said, which his wife didn't even know he took at the time. And that's all we got. Now, his background, we alluded to it earlier that it's a who's who and what's what, and you've mentioned a few places he's been, but can you just >> run through the highlights of that real quick so people understand? And before I ask that, >> did he have any demonstrated medical >> conditions or any dementia related things or stuff that could explain him wandering away?
41:11>> His wife said no dementia, just the the mental fog or the brain fog, which was frustrating for him, but not a huge deal. Um I guess he was somewhat at risk I guess when they they put out the silver alert for him. And also multiple people it's like uh here I'll show it's like when someone older goes missing but there was one for Nancy Guthrie and um yeah but multiple people have mentioned to me that live in the Albuquerque area that they didn't get the silver alert right away which is very rare. So, I don't know why. I don't know. Um, you know, I I'm not sure why that would be, but it was brought to my attention.
41:49>> Interesting.
41:49>> Yeah. Um, another thing I just want to add is that on February 19th, that is when Trump put on Truth Social that he would be releasing all of the UAP files.
41:59Yes. Yeah. So, um, you know, Yeah, there it is. And I think it says, yeah, due to his medical issues. I I don't know. His wife, you know, she didn't really allude to any type of medical issues, which is so strange.
42:14Yeah, that was very, very weird. Um, >> but yeah, so General McCasslin, he um he was a commander at the Air Force Research Lab uh stationed at Wright Patterson. He um was the director of special programs at the US Department of Defense. Um he worked at the Air Force base where he was um he worked in space acquisition uh programming. He was um >> he was at the one in LA too I think for a while too.
42:43>> He was uh Elsagund Yeah. California.
42:46Mhm. And then um he worked at uh the Air Force Research Lab in New Mexico as well. Uh it was Yeah. in the early 2000s. Um he was the director of operations um in Colorado at an Air Force base and he um >> MIT educated >> Harvard MIT >> was Air Force Academy before that.
43:07>> Yep. And you know his wife you know she was dispelling uh a lot of the the rumors. She did this in March basically.
43:19And I go back, we talked about this earlier where I think that maybe she respectfully was was dispelling before she possibly knew all of the facts and all of the details. And and I said this the other day like what what do you tell your spouse about work when you are working in you know a a sector like this? She also said, quote, "It is true that when Neil was in the Air Force, he had access to some highly classified programs and information. He retired from the Air Force almost 13 years ago and has had only very commonly held clearances since. It seems quite unlikely that he was taken to extract
44:00very dated secrets from him.
44:03Hone in on the it seems quite unlikely."
44:06She doesn't actually know. She's just saying like, "I don't know, but it seems unlikely, but like what what do we actually know?" Um, she also brought up the fact that Neil, he has a brief association with the UFO community through Tom Dong. Um, and Tom Dong was a former Blink 182 frontman, founder of uh the organization to the stars, >> but then if you want to tie uh Hillary Clinton into this there, yeah, there there were emails um Yep. when his when his uh computer was was hacked, whatever the Russians hacked um Yeah. his his stuff. There was emails about General McCasslin and Tom Dong. And so
44:48she said that things sort of died down after that. But she says, and and again, she could just be saying this, she says they were only talking and working together about um sort of a a fictional media project that that Tom was working on. Yeah, she said that. She said um what was it exactly? She said, "Oh, yeah. Tom's fiction book and media activities." That was her her exact words. So, she said, "This connection is not a reason for someone to abduct Neil.
45:20He doesn't have any special knowledge about the extraterrestrial uh bodies and debris from the Roswell crash stored at Wright Patterson." Well, if he did, is he going to tell you? Like, is he going to tell you? I don't >> That's the other thing. Probably not.
45:33But his wife's also like a serious scientist, too.
45:36>> Yeah. Right. but it doesn't matter. Like she didn't work next to him. And so >> that's when she sort of said, >> you know, maybe the best hypothesis is the aliens beamed him up to the mother ship and >> that's not helpful.
45:49>> No. And it's interesting, you know, you go back to like you never you never want to >> don't >> victimize victims, but you're just like, man, you I don't know her as a person, but it is interesting that she's cracking jokes, right? That just might be her personality, but your husband's missing. That's seems like a I don't know. I don't know.
46:08>> Some people, >> what do they say? People grieve differently.
46:12>> Yes, that's what exactly.
46:13>> And that is true. But like >> if you're doing Erica Kirk pyro technics for [ __ ] seven months afterwards and never around your kid and seemingly excited to take over at some point people can be like, "All right, come on."
46:26>> Uh, I mean, yeah, I I get it. I totally get it. And and that's what I say. Like I'm not trying to like I'm just I think it's interesting. She made interesting um and and interesting that you are addressing these things and you are >> sort of you know trying to stick a pin in them. her 911 call I found to be very interesting. Well, because she said the words, >> you know, I don't I have to I I had it written down somewhere, but she said, and I'm paraphrasing, it would indicate possibly that he did not want to be found based on the fact that he changed clothes. He left what he would normally take back at home. Um, you know, and and
47:08I go back to saying like researching this area, if you know the area very well, it would be very easy to slip away and not be found. Um, and and I continue to get just amazed sometimes at how people can just leave, walk away, run away, and and you know, they don't seem to be, and I'm not talking about General McCasslin, but other people, right? They don't seem to be highly intelligent.
47:34They don't seem, you know, but they they evade law enforcement. They they seem to hide from from the world, from the public view. I mean, what was that football coach that had child? Do you remember that?
47:45>> Out of I'm just shocked. He seemed like a dumbass and we still haven't found him. Uh >> oh, I remember this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
47:51This was a few months ago.
47:53>> Um >> they still haven't found that guy.
47:55>> Not that I know. You know, I'm I should check. I'm checking right now. Um >> yeah, the high school football coach.
48:03No, they haven't found this dude.
48:05Missing Virginia high school football coach Travis Turner. That's his name.
48:10And that's that's what I'm saying. Like what? We still have not found this guy.
48:13He seems like a regular dumbass to me.
48:15And it's like what? Why? He walked off again with a gun. He could be dead somewhere. Or but but also if he's dead somewhere, what?
48:24>> Well, maybe Namba has a [ __ ] underground railroad and they just get all these [ __ ] scumbags out. I I >> which is not what we're talking about with with >> but that's what I'm saying where it's like how it's it's it's mind-blowing to me but with McCasslin he he's intelligent enough I do feel like where if he doesn't want to be found he's not going to be found but >> he is there is no doubt when it comes to potential military secret related alien folklore and UFO folklore if you will he is a form of a Forest Gump when you look at his career >> yes >> if there's a there there and there's certainly some sort of there there.
49:01Whether or not it's what they tell us is a totally separate question, but like if there's a there there, >> he is on a short list of candidates of people who would have multiple levels of intelligence related to those things. Now, being on the to the stars academy is also sketchy cuz like that is just filled with intel guys like Jim Semivan and stuff like that who sometimes come out and make these huge claims and it's like all right, what are they really? My thought is what are they really distracting us from?
49:30>> You know, but >> yeah, >> for him to so systematically walk out like that, change clothes, take a handgun, leave everything else behind, don't put on the Apple Watch, don't tell your wife about it, leave. And there's no trace. They find the Air Force sweatshirt. How far away?
49:47>> A mile and a half.
49:48>> A mile and a half away. So he shed that was the sweatshirt he wore out. He shed that or it was forcibly taken off him. I don't know.
49:54>> We don't know if it was his. We don't Oh, so we don't even know if he was wearing that.
49:58>> But that's No, they found it. And that's what I'm saying. Like nobody could identify couldn't identify.
50:02>> No, I Yeah, it's weird. Um, and you know something else, Eric Berles has been coming out and saying I I reached out to General McCasslin twice and then he just disappeared. And I reached out to his office um, you know, about this trying to get information. I was unimpressed. I I mean I was thankful that I got a response, but I was a little frustrated >> by the fact that he seems to say so much more on network news and I couldn't seem to get >> anything out of him except I don't want to speculate on anything out of respect for his family blah blah blah. I'm like well you're on the news talking about
50:38how you guys reached out to him. So when I saw this um I reached back out to his office and I was like I don't understand like why do you know I I can't watch every report and I can't watch every podcast to get information although I'm trying to but if I email you directly like maybe you could include certain things like right and say that and so I just said I heard him say this can you let me know why and and I know the why because he wanted information I mean the whole UAP disclosure conversation came up uh I think you know with the House Oversight Committee back in September of 2025. That's what the
51:16letter said when they were asking for all the videos the 46 videos. So it was something relating to that I believe and I just said like can you give me a timeline here like like you know why you know you wanted to find out more info and and his office just said the investig Oh, okay. They said the investigation began in the spring of 2025. And I think the big uh thing here is he said, "Our office has reached out to dozens of individuals." Okay. Well, you're not saying that. You're only saying you reached out to McCasslin. So, you reached out to dozens of individuals who I'm assuming are still with us. So,
51:57stop doing [ __ ] for clicks. It's It's annoying me. like >> he McCaslin had retired in in 2013 from government sometime in there. So is that right?
52:07>> So what's it's funny because his wife said yeah he retired 13 years ago. His LinkedIn says that >> he's Yeah.
52:12>> Well it's he's a a >> board of director somewhere. He's >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
52:18>> So he's doing things >> right. He's um a consultant basically.
52:21>> Yes. He's a consultant at another company. So he's still that's what I'm saying. He's still places where he's very intellectually engaged on the things that are part of his expertise that he spent all his time in the government about. And he definitely holds, you know, access to having seen highly highly classified things throughout his career from someone who is also just not a >> traditional military guy. This is a literal like rocket scientist kind of trained specialty trained dude.
52:50>> I mean, his credentials are are out of this world. Now, >> have you ever had any interest in like looking into UFOs and what we know or what we don't?
52:59>> Yeah, I've been I've been all into that.
53:02And I I will say that I have I have spoken to some individuals that uh Dr.
53:09Bill Burn, I don't know if you've heard of him.
53:11>> I do know that >> he produced the show uh UFO Hunters on on the History Channel. He co-wrote the book uh The Day After Roswell. and he's a bit older and doing a doing a video interview with him was interesting because he had like the his phone like up his nose. So it it didn't look great.
53:30Um you know >> I'm here but I'm not a cat.
53:32>> Yeah. No. And so it was that paired with some of the stuff that he was saying that was so out of this world where he was like, "No, I've spoken to emissaries. I've spoken to aliens and they told me this." And I'm just like [ __ ] >> All right. He went all the way there.
53:45>> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's like you got to and I I'm I'm really glad that I'm talking to people like that, but I I'm trying to go more middle ground because I do believe like you said, you know, we're not alone. I think it would be naive to think that we are the only species, right, on this planet. I I just don't think that or not I shouldn't say on this planet in in how do I say it?
54:06[clears throat] >> I know what you mean. In the galaxy, in the universe.
54:08>> In the Yes. In the universe. Thank you.
54:11Um yeah, I don't think that there's little green men. I don't think that we're talking about Independence Day when they're in like glass. Like I don't think that. But >> until it happens, >> it this I will say has taken over my life to the point that like I was in church on Sunday and I'm just like zoning out a little bit. No. Um and like flipping through the Bible and I think it was like Ezekiel 1 chapter 4.
54:37wild where um I mean you'd have to pull this up to really >> Ezekiel 1 chapter. Yeah, you'd have to really pull this up where Ezekiel is is warned by four creatures that are >> Got to make sure this ain't a Pulp Fiction quote.
54:53>> No, no, no. He is he is warned about the Israelites, he as something beams down, right? Beams down four creatures with like multiple faces. Um, they also talk about the wheels on this.
55:07>> Yes.
55:08>> I mean, it is I literally was freaking out. I showed my husband. I was like, "Oh my god." I'm like, "Oh my god. Oh my god." I'm like, "Look, look, look, look." And he was like, "You're insane."
55:15Like, you are you are really uh >> Let's see.
55:19>> Ezekiel 1:4, key details. A windstorm from the north. Ezekiel witnesses a massive divine.
55:24>> We have to find the >> windstorm. The actual >> Yeah. Yeah. Let's get it.
55:28>> In my 30th year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kibar River, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.
55:38>> On the fifth of the month, it was the fifth year of the exile of King whatever the [ __ ] his name is. The word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Boozy, by the Kbar River in the land of the Babylonians. There, the hand of the Lord was on him. I looked and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north, an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal. And in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance, their form was human, but each of them had four faces and four wings. Their legs were straight, their
56:11feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnish bronze. Under the wings, on their four sides, they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead. They did not turn as they moved. Their faces look like this.
56:29Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side of each face of a lion, and on the left, the face of an ox. Each also had the face of an eagle. Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward.
56:43Each wing touches that of the cre touch touching that of the creature on either side and each had two other wings covering its body. Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go without turning as they went. The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures. It was bright and lightning flashed out of it.
57:04The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning. Where should I skip to? You should go down to um when the living creatures move the wheels beside the orange above actually the rims were high. I mean that's >> as I looked at the living creatures I saw a wheel on the ground besides each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels. They sparkled like topaz [sighs and gasps] and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be b made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in and and out four directions the creatures face. The wheels did not change direction as the
57:40creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved. And when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them. Because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
58:00When the creatures moved, they also moved. When the creatures stood still, they also stood still. And when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them because the spirit of living creatures was in the wheels. Maybe it's a parapolgic angel. I don't know. They might be in a wheelchair. It's possible.
58:14>> It's they had a face of an eagle and an ox at the same time.
58:17>> That to me, those are aliens. Come on.
58:21Come on. And and we are talking about a UFO with the wheels. Come on.
58:26>> In my head, I was reading that in Samuel L. Jackson's voice. [laughter] And the wheels were turning.
58:32>> Yeah. No, but I mean, how wild is that?
58:35It's kind of wild.
58:36>> It's pretty nuts.
58:38>> It's pretty nuts.
58:39>> And I'm trying not to be I'm trying not to be nuts. I'm trying not to be nuts.
58:43But [snorts] >> yeah, >> eight days after he says they're going to release the UFOs.
58:50>> Yeah.
58:50>> Maslin goes away.
58:51>> Yeah. Did something go off in his head where he's like, "Oh no. Oh no." Or or did >> he's got to go.
59:01>> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.
59:03>> Or it could be the the question here is are there foreign operations? Cuz guys like that would certainly be sought after by any country, including allies.
59:13You know, you could be in the UK and be like, "Yo, that [ __ ] that that nuclear [ __ ] air force guy over there. We can get some good info out of that chap."
59:21>> Yeah. I I guess I'm wondering and it's it's you know it'll take a lot more research [snorts] but how many guys out there are like General McCasslin? Are there a lot? Are there like I said if Eric Berles's office is saying we've reached out to dozens of people okay >> but not with his full kind of resume.
59:40There's not a lot.
59:40>> You would think but I don't I don't actually know. I haven't seen anyone like that >> running all these bases. It's >> Yeah, >> it can't be a lot cuz he ran some of the most serious places and it's not one or two. He ran like five of them or something.
59:53>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know.
59:56>> We're talking long career military man.
59:58Like full true and blue.
60:01>> Yeah.
60:01>> Part of the team. And then afterwards when he leaves he's working with the guys who are very much still on the team like the gym semi vans of the world.
60:09>> Yeah.
60:09>> You know, >> it's weird. It's very weird.
60:14>> It's weird. I'm trying to be levelheaded on it. I'm trying. It's Yeah. And and like I said, I wish I could spend all day on this. I I actually really wish I could, but I do cover a lot of stuff, so it gets taxing. Yeah, it does get taxing, but it's an important story, I think. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links
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