0:01Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome back to the gray zone. We're going to be covering a lot of territory today. Uh first we're going to discuss the double earthquakes in Venezuela and the repercussions throughout the region.
0:16And we're it looks like we will be joined by our Shield of the Americas team Ana Parmpil and Oscar Leyon to discuss that. Then we're going to move on to Lebanon where Wyatt Reed is stationed in Beirut and has been in the south actually close enough to see Israeli military activity 500 meters away. Then we will move to occupied Britain to discuss the fall of Kier Starmer. And then we're going to wrap up with the unhinged Zionist meltdown over a handful of DSAbacked candidates winning in New York and the Iran memorandum of understanding being signed. Uh that'll be fun. Aaron Mate will join us then.
1:04But right now we're gonna welcome in uh my very close colleague Ana Parmill.
1:09Welcome Anya.
1:11>> Hello.
1:12>> And our uh Ecuadorian native informant and um exceptional editor Oscar Leon.
1:24>> Hey Oscar.
1:27>> Good to see you.
1:27>> Let's go Ecuador.
1:30>> Oh what's that when's that happening? As we defeated Germany, only the third South American team to defeat Germany ever.
1:40>> Awesome. I'm like so in and out of it with the World Cup. [laughter] >> That was an uh incredible victory.
1:48Somehow it the the Ecuadorian team was not cursed by Danielle Nooa. Um and uh it's an interesting team. You told me many of the players are descendants of the um the Kumbos.
2:04>> Oh, that's a crazy story. You know, they they are descendants. A lot of them are from the Chota area, which is like a a an area in the mountains, a valley in the mountains. And they were originally the descendants of a slaves that their their ship sink sank and only the some of the slaves survive, you know, this the the the sinking. So those who survived created a colony in what's now Esmeraldas. And eventually when the Spaniards and civilization quote unquote catch up to that area, they escaped and moved into the mountains and created a colony in Chota area where most of the players you see playing, you know, by by Ecuador are
2:47from. And those are black people from the mountains that were never slaved. So they have a a deep tradition, you know, of of a lot of things in their own culture.
2:58>> That's that's some uh amazing history about that team uh which I wouldn't have known if I didn't I wasn't in were not in contact with you. We're going to discuss how Ecuador fits into the puzzle of the emerging Donro doctrine, which is essentially a doctrine of total US military control over the continent.
3:19First, uh, Anya, the double earthquakes hit Venezuela. This is a rare occurrence. There are hundreds dead, many may be trapped under the rubble, partly because of a lack of heavy equipment. And this seems to be an opportunity for the US military to deepen its infiltration of Venezuela after kidnapping the legitimate president of Venezuela, Nicholas Maduro, and his wife, Celia Flores. This is a video from Southcom that put out Southcom supporting Department of Stateled [music] rescue efforts following the earthquakes that struck the nation of Venezuela. And they're playing some cheesy music.
4:10All right. Well, we get the point. Anya, what happened in Venezuela? Why is this politically significant and not just um a natural disaster of an ordinary natural disaster?
4:21>> Looking at those images, it's it's pretty sad because honestly considering the catastrophe in Venezuela, which is a true catastrophe, mainly centered around Laguayra, the capital city of Laguayra state next to the capital district of Caracus.
4:38Devastation there from what I understand is quite bad. Hundreds of buildings collapsed and sanctions having prevented the government from purchasing the heavy machinery needed uh to respond to this catastrophe have led to the fact that you know people have been trapped under the rubble for days. Until now with this aid coming in from Ecuador and Colombia, El Salvador and and Mexico, they weren't even really able to move the rubble and begin to rescue people. So, I'm sure if there were people that could have been saved in those initial hours, just because of US sanctions alone, hundreds, if not thousands of people uh
5:19died just because the government was unable to make a response. But watching that video from the United States on one hand, yes, under these circumstances, as an American, I'm happy to see that my government is going to support Venezuela in theory. Unfortunately, this isn't just your average humanitarian response.
5:40This is again coming in because the state itself has been cut off from the rest of the world unable to provide for itself as a result of this catastrophe.
5:51It looks like, oh, this is a failure of the government. Now, the US can come in with these other competent Latin American states and run the show. And that's really what it looks like they're planning to do, especially considering the US was already coordinating military strikes on sovereign Venezuelan territory before uh this catastrophe even took place. Uh so it definitely looks like an opportunity for the United States and its allies to entrench their presence in Venezuela. And while regional solidarity should be something that we celebrate or find inspiring, instead it just feels like it's a
6:32manipulation tactic to do a soft further regime change, which they've pretty much been carrying out since Maduro was removed from office on January 3rd.
6:44Yeah, it's a means of uh you know turning Venezuela further into a US military base since we saw the very provocative V22 Osprey landing at the new US embassy. the US embassy had voluntarily left and before that in January 20 2009 during Israel's quote unquote operation CAS le assault on the Gaza Strip which was the first really devastating assault that led up to the current genocide Venezuela's then president Ugo Chavez expelled the Israeli ambassador and all of his staff in protest and never brought them back and from that point on the Venezuelan government was in conflict with Israel and they treated
7:29Iran like a normal country. They treated the Iranian is the Islamic Republic of Iran as a normal country and Iran helped them under sanctions a lot and now this is happening um under the cover of earthquake aid. Israel is sending teams into Venezuela. I assume these include intelligence officers and uh militaryike officials. Jewish and Israeli aid rescue organizations are preparing to send teams. According to e-Jewish philanthropy, uh the Israeli government also said it was preparing to send an aid delegation.
8:02The foreign ministry is holding a situational assessment with the relevant figures in Israel and is determining ways to help. So, you know, the first time Anya, you and I ever saw Deli Rodriguez was at uh at the uh People's Assembly meeting in Karacus and she was wearing a Kufia and now under her leadership, Israel is getting a tow hold back in Venezuela, which I assume will deepen and then we'll talk about Colombia next, but um what are your thoughts?
8:32>> It's definitely shocking to see the Israelis at foot in Venezuela. It's hard to say under such circumstances what any other leader would do because they obviously need help but it would have been thought in previous years perhaps that would be a red line and and I just want to say also that Lagua where this catastrophe this earthquake this double earthquake at first a 7.2 2 on the RTOR scale followed by a 7.5 seconds later.
9:02Just absolutely terrifying. I don't know if anybody's ever been in smaller earthquakes, but they're if they're a four, they're pretty scary to be a part of. And so I can't imagine what it would be like to to go beyond seven. And and so they went through that twice, which is very rare.
9:21And a earthquake of that magnitude hasn't been detected in Venezuela for over a century. So uh but this area Laguida was also the site of a catastrophe in 1999 when floods flood waters brought on by a terrible storm caused the coast essentially to collapse and there were a huge landslides mudslides that killed up to 10 to 30,000 people. Some people I mean bodies were never recovered. They were buried under the mud, swept out into the sea. And that that was initially I mean the numbers the the death toll from that is way higher than anything that uh is officially predicted now in Venezuela. And so Venez Venezuela
10:05the same elements that are its greatest blessing which give it its oil and its iron ore and its gold and its resources.
10:15These fault lines are also and and and its place in the world are also its greatest curse because it has led to these natural disasters that really devastate the country at times and now under this government have created a situation where the US military that has been kept out for so long might now be able to gain a foothold, intensify its place and its its its uh ability to uh control the country and then the US by default might get its hands on some of those resources.
10:50>> And uh prior to this earthquake, there was something else we had yet to we we'd never seen in Venezuela. Um but we well we had seen it on January 3rd actually when the US attacked uh SN special forces teams and abducted Maduro and Celia Flores. Killed uh Cuban officers about 30 of them killed many Venezuelan civilians. some uh 70 Venezuelan civilians were killed. But now uh in supposed coordination with the Venezuelan government, the US has conducted strikes in Venezuelan territory. Uh this is the video that the US put out showing them bombing the compound of someone named Nino Guerrero, who is a
11:38supposed leader of Train Dear Aaragua, which was classified by the US Department of Justice as a naroterrorist organization despite it having um really extinguished its uh been weakened over the years and had its central base at a major uh maximum security prison in Venezuela raided by Maduro. Uh this was supposedly a coordinated assault on Venezuelan territory by the US military in a region in which the US, the Trump administration is seeking control over gold mines to basically make more gold to coat the walls of Mara Lago presumably.
12:25Uh what what does this say? And I and I and I'll ask I would I want to know what Oscar what you think because you covered the same phenomenon in Ecuador. But Anya I mean what do you think about this raid?
12:41>> I think let's we'll go >> to Oscar. Yeah.
12:46>> Okay Oscar. Uh yeah, I mean you you produced a piece for us on the raid by the Ecuadorian military with US military support uh that where they said they were attacking a narot terror base on the Colombian border and it turned out to be a peasant farm. You actually interviewed one of the community leaders. So I mean do you see a similarity here by what's happening in in Venezuela with what's h happening in Venezuela.
13:12I cannot help but see now when picture in my head Pete Hexet with his map of the greater North America behind him.
13:21>> Yeah.
13:21>> You know and and I can see in my mind that security perimeter and like if you look inside of there a lot of things are happening. Some of them very weird. Um and a lot of you know a lot of that is the the lawer of course you know but the other as is what I see as false positives. They're using that doctrine of counter insurgence that you know I think it originated before Vietnam but it was certainly used in Vietnam and in other countries you know they not trying to find out the particulars of a crime or nothing they're just trying to get names and numbers in a list you know so in that perspective that's what you see
14:01all over the place you see that in Ecuador now you see in the Caribbean in Colombia and [clears throat] and a lot of the logic they started with >> creating false positives.
14:11>> Yeah, it started with the boat strikes in or uh in September of 2025 and you could see the targets of the boat strikes were poor people, fishermen, sometimes carrying marijuana, sometimes cocaine, making side money. It was like a side hustle for them. These were not major narcot traffickers.
14:30Sometimes they're just fishermen fishing and their bodies would wash up on the shore. And now it's moving inland into South America. And it continues to be a war on the poor by figures like Danielle Naboa. And now you have the election of Abiardo Abelardo de Esparea the Eltere in Colombia who is like a kind of cartoonish version of Boule who has all kinds of plastic surgery and boasted about um you know putting firecrackers up cat's asses when he was a kid. Uh he is just a buffoonish character with guns all over his house.
15:07His opponent Ivan Seeda, the leftist, was like a philosophy professor. Uh Abardo, he's like a cartoon of the USbacked right-wing leader who was backed heavily by Trump. And it so it appears that this doctrine is now going to spread back to Colombia, which was the original kind of base, the Israel of South America, as Avo Morales put it, the base of Plan Colombia. Uh it's going full circle but with I think greater power of these um pro-Israel USbacked right-wing forces across Latin America.
15:41Uh you know put paint paint us a a you a broader picture of the continent uh following the Colombian election and uh give us your and and and what is your take on Gustavo Petro's claim that the election was rigged? Um, I guess two questions in one, but we're we're we're we're pressed for time. I I think that Latin America now it's it's a like a protectorate of United States you know an official maybe you know it's pretty evident right now that is it's been taking control in every in every country and I'm pretty sure that intelligence agencies and the media and there's a formula to to take power you know that's been repeated over
16:29and over and now this Colombia is the last iteration of it we the media spinning certain time types of narratives and at the same time you you have the judicial branches spinning cases whenever they can to target specific leaders. Um it's it's it's pretty scary in a way because you know all those elections have had serious questions and that are unanswered about fraud. Yeah, >> for example, we didn't finish a report on Ecuador because of time and I can remember why, but it was pretty clear that there had been, if not a general fraud, instances of fraud like in very prepared instances. For example, the the
17:16paper in the ballot for the cuadorian ballot was transferable. So, if you vote in the one candidate and then they fold it in a specific way, the the ink will transfer to the other side of the paper.
17:28And this was like forensically compro you know they they verify that forensically. So in Colombia you have instances where the users >> which is rare that they have access to see the paper ballots you know and because of that they were able to start picking up that there a lot of inconsistencies and obviously in all of these cases we have to understand that both for example in Ecuador and Colombia as well the the electoral authority is in the hands of them you know the the extreme right so they control and call all the shots in Colombia it's pretty obvious but in Ecuador Ecuador is like a if if Colombia is a cartoon, Ecuador is
18:10like a is like a a cartoon, a joke, like however you want to put it of the banana republic that has no democracy. All the all the powers of the state are mixed into one figure. So, and that figure is ruling in the interest of a foreign country. You know, that's Ecuador. You have Daniel Noir who is a US citizen who can legally never say no to the United States or he can go to jail for tion you know and uh he cannot say no to the any US representative because he's a US citizen. He he swore allegiance to the US flag first and above everything else.
18:52And that's a conflict of interest that was pointed out in the Colombian elections. Somebody actually presented a you know a notary something a paper saying you know he has a conflict of interest because what I just said he's a US interest US citizen aardo I mean aardo if you think about it aardo swore an oath to the US flag first because when you I know that because I did myself too um you swear an oath to to the US for your allegiance to be first to the United States and then anything else you know or you can go to jail for a long time. So to be a president of a country and be a US citizen is in itself
19:33uncompatible.
19:34>> He's a billion he's a billionaire son of Miami from an oligarchic family who is also an very plausibly accused of being at the head of a narot trafficking empire which we'll we'll discuss in a second. And NOBOa also played a big role in the Colombian election. He threatened 100% tariffs on Colombian goods if they did not elect Elteigra Abalardo Despa and along with Trump and Senator Bernie Moreno, a billionaire Colombian American hustster who went down and campaigned for Abelardo. Uh they eaked out a victory. This is I want and I'm just want to get one more um turn to Ana one more time on this. Um this is the new
20:20president of Colombia and what is in his first act uh since being elected he pledges loyalty to Israel.
20:31Got no volume.
20:38>> He he he goes to a synagogue in Colombia. The Colombian Jewish community is like 1% of the population. It's not there there aren't that many Jews in Colombia like there are in um Argentina for example but he still this is his priority Jewish people are God's people he says we'll never hesitate to defend the Jewish people for our brothers and sisters God's people we work together to not let a minority that wants to set the country ablaze. He's referring to like a large portion of Colombians who voted for his opponent and destroy Columbia by reason or force. So he's already threatening like armed repression of the
21:34left.
21:37He's choosing a Jewish audience to, you know, using Jews basically as human shields and collaborating.
21:43>> Well, they support him.
21:44>> Yeah. Well, they, you know, the Jews of Colombia are very >> Did they not give him money?
21:49>> Gracias.
21:50>> Thank you. And long live the people of Israel. Okay. So, Anya, what? Why?
21:53What's >> I mean, it's an influential looks like a pretty influential wealthy community, probably similar to Venezuela, uh, but a very small minority. I don't know. Deli Rodriguez [laughter] uh she had initially when when Maduro was removed said that the uh activity in Venezuela had a Zionist tinge but she since then kind of backed away from hasn't really said anything more about that. She released a Passover message to again a small group of minority a minority in Venezuela, something Maduro, other presidents had never done. H and she um was pretty silent all throughout the war on Iran, which was kind of surprising I think
22:40from people that are used to hearing a lot from Venezuela when it comes to the Middle East. But then again, you know, from a strategic perspective, maybe they maybe that's that's for the best. If Venezuela is trying to make uh business deals with interests that don't want uh the state speaking strongly about another region, people could make the argument that she's being pragmatic. But I don't know. What do you think, Oscar?
23:04Why why is there this obsession with Israel amongst the the right? I mean, in Argentina, it makes a little bit more sense because there are such influential actors there that are that are Jewish and Zionist, but I mean, >> Mille's taken it to another level by basically joining Habad and declaring himself Jewish. It's gone he's gone even further than anyone.
23:25>> Yeah.
23:26>> I'm going to project a little bit of based on what we saw in the Honduras Gate. For example, in the Honduras gate, it was stated by Juan Orlando Nandez himself that his release, let's remember, he was in jail for narot trafficking. They have investigated him for 10 years and he was solid in jail.
23:45He was not going out anytime soon. But Trump took money from Israel from some rabbis and released him, put him in charge of the Honduras gate, which or that's how we know it, you know. I don't know their name for that plan, >> but he put him in charge and he said spec specifically to the president of Honduras, the current president of Honduras, >> that he's going to be the next president in behalf of Trump. He says that Trump is going to stay there for longer than his terms. And when asked, he's like, "How do you know?" He's like, "Don't worry about it. Just take my word for it. I know." And then he's going to say
24:22that they're going to use violence to to control the left. That's the plan like a new plan cond right but the most important thing he said there in my opinion is that is Israel behind his release you know it's it's some rabbis he said so so if we fast forward to Colombia in Colombia you have uh some figure called hacker de la fiscalia is a hacker you know who who released some documents earlier and was supposed to release documents very important documents about the paramilitary in in ao before the election but I'm not sure why how he did not but among those released that that he did release or the
25:04statements he put out based on on on these uh recordings you know of paramilitaries and high level discussions they also said there that Israel is behind there their that camp and it's important this is his words not mine but he said that Israel is behind the right in Latin America and he's using the narot trafficking world to finance that takeover of political takeover of the continent. So it's there's that there's also the fact that there's growing colonies everywhere, right?
25:40>> Yeah. And it's a way into the hard >> there's something there's what everywhere.
25:45>> Colonies that are established, you know, for example, >> Israeli colonies.
25:48>> Yes. Israeli colonies. For example, in in New California, I understand there's an area that's being developed there that's >> that's like a little >> they buy the land minus state that you know they have >> they're everywhere >> control over. They're everywhere.
26:02There's in Costa Rica as well. I know >> I mean Israelis even up in Nicaragua.
26:09>> There's Nicaragua and um El Salvador. I understand of course and obviously in Argentina as you were saying Argentina is the whole is a whole new level of this like recently man's son who is Martin you know I talk about son >> Carlos Menim was the former president of Argentina who was of Lebanese descent right >> yeah and he took over the Peron country and did a neoliberal plan that caused the the original like before this wave of Hubert poverty and privatizations. It was very because they lost the war to to the to England, the Malinas war. They were under sanctions and whatnot. And it was man who reopened Argentina and redid the
26:55deals with them. And in those deals that he made, he delivered the country to corporations and in other states. So this second round of giving up Argentina to foreign powers taking place right now. the son Martin traveled to Israel and signed up for the delivery of the 100,000 acres that we had reported on that was you know a rumor at the time now it is all signed so you have >> a number of laws and and and measures for example if you're an Israeli in Argentina now you will be able to retire and get a check from the state you know from the same state that is killing its own people by not having money, you
27:42know, for hospitals or, you know, education or the elderly >> is um eugenics plan in a way. And that same government implementing that eugenics plan is the one that's going to be handing money to Israeli veterans and citizens to go and move into >> white replacement theory, but applied to Argentina.
28:05>> Yes. It's it's it's it's not it's you know especially because Argentina is so nationalistic. It's so center in its own culture that it surprised me. They're so proud you know that it surprised me that they were able to to fall for this and allow this you know but I guess it's the same plan that is in Ecuador and everywhere. You know you make everybody really poor and need and get them in deaf and owe you and then you own and next thing you know it's it's all gone.
28:33You know the >> it happens without people even knowing.
28:36People don't there's like no democracy.
28:38It's like the data centers in the United States. One day you just wake up and they're all over and nobody even knows how it happened. That's like the Israelis in Latin America. They just suddenly are there and in and controlling the governments and it's very bizarre. So it sounds like someone should write a book about this. I I'm writing a documentary that I we've talked with Max, you know, it's called Third World Democracy Handbook, which is that we compare what I learned about the third world as you know, and to the United States to what we see here, you know, it's narrowing. It's it's it's incredible. And the last part that I was
29:11writing is that in Ecuador, in other countries, Colombia, all these countries, you see people ruling in behalf of foreign powers. You see Noa ruling in behalf of the United States.
29:21Here in the United States now we see that >> we see Trump ruling in behalf of Israel.
29:27>> Exactly. Yeah. And then you have in Argentina you're saying Israelis actually getting state benefits. It's kind of like glo. It's like a global takeover. [laughter] Global zog. Oh boy Max. You should say bye to me before.
29:42>> I don't know if you guys have seen this video. I sent it to Max.
29:45>> You say that ironically. And Ana has a I know you you said you had a hard stop but you keep going.
29:52Sorry, but it was just real quick is a video where Netanyahu is showing a map of the countries that they are now controlling and he's forecasting that soon they will be able to sanctions those who try to sanction them.
30:04>> Yeah, it I won't surp it doesn't surprise me.
30:07>> The takeover is is is global for sure.
30:09So, uh >> peace guys.
30:12>> Yeah, Ana does have a a hard stop here and um we really appreciate her joining us.
30:21virtually online. It's a rare It's rare for me to see her virtually online uh and not in person. Uh Oscar, I had one we have Wyatt waiting in the wings, but I had one more uh question for you and I also just wanted to make a quick point which is there is a precedent of Israeli involvement in Colombia under President Virhil Barco. In 1986, he brought in the former director of the Mossad, Rafa Tan, to lead a program to exterminate the left um to exterminate and destroy the Patriotic Union Party. Uh and thousands were killed. Rafaan also, you know, was involved in Latin America through the Mossad kidnapping of Adolf Ikeman, the
31:10director of the uh Nazi office of Jewish Affairs, who kept the trains running on time and abducted him, took him back to Jerusalem. Um, but Rafaan came back into Colombia and oversaw one of the worst war crimes and atrocities that the continent had seen. um we're talking about over 30 thou 3,000 party members who were exterminated.
31:34So it's not like we're just drawing this all out of on the we're we're we're um extrapolating on the basis of comments made by Colombia's incoming president. Uh, but I wanted to ask you about one uh other issue in Ecuador and you're going to we're going to have a report out about this soon, but uh this kind of a lot of threads are coming together based on what we've been reporting from Ecuador and what you've been reporting about the narco trafficking connections of Danielle Nabboa who was the shipping director for the Noboa family trading company which just keeps the their packaging of Bonita bananas,
32:17which is their they own bonita. That's the source of their major source of their fortune. Th those packages keep uh showing up in Europe, particularly filled with packets of cocaine, and it's one of the main ways that cocaine gets into Europe. And now, a whistleblower who is investigating NOBOa, the president's family business, was murdered. Monica Silva Kushek died from a blow to the head and strangulation. in a postmortem found despite government claim of suicide. So what happened here and what does it say about the president of Ecuador potentially being the narot trafficker that for example investigative reporters reporter um
32:57exiled investigative reporter Augustine Duran claimed he was.
33:04This is a >> and as quickly as possible because we got to get to why.
33:07>> Yeah, >> this is a very scary case in a way because you see many things interacting here. You know, you can see intelligence agencies benefiting from this politically. You see the fact that the the landering of dollars is possible because Ecuador is a dollarized country that has no controls.
33:27So, it's like a paradise for laundering money, you know, getting it back in the system. And it's important to understand that you cannot buy drugs with credit cards or checks. You can only buy drugs with cash. What does that mean? That the cash day after day, week after week, month after month exits, the legal system exits. And if you if you start quanting, you know, and understanding how much that ends up being through the years, you understand that the system has to deal with the mafia or whoever it is to bring that cash back into the system. So there's an alliance is is a is a way to work between states and
34:04banks and the mafia and the drug money.
34:06So the problem in here is that the the way that investigations have not been carried out because you know if I'm a big shipper of bananas, it's possible that somebody put some coke in one of my shipping one or twice maybe, right? But if it happens one and it happens to me and I'm a political figure, I'm going to lose my mind. I'm going to send the army or whoever it is to really make sure it doesn't happen again, you know, and I'm going to make sure it's investigated to the last drop of blood. But that's not what we see here. We see some insane and obvious abundant complicity between the state and these specific figures that
34:47are in this, you know, network, if you will. So even though it's hard to definitely point out to President Nooa being in charge of this, there are enough indications in there in the investigations and also the absence of those investigations in in the way the law is concluded to some and in other cases nothing happens. So in quickly in the case of Monica Silva this goes beyond this this goes um to local corruption as well that was growing and turning into bigger cases bigger cases bigger cases. She started taking care of the the the turtles in the beach taking care of the community that making sure they have water and so
35:32he she started a process of years of fighting and every time with bigger cases. So weeks before her death um she delivered a folder with all the evidence of the NOOA trading case to the US embassy. It's important to say that the last person who tried to do that didn't end up well. It was the major of Wakil, the second largest city of the actually the largest city of Ecuador. He went in TV and said that he's found out who's behind the narot trafficking in the ports because that's where the entire thing happens. Like if they wanted to stop this, they will just militarize the ports, which is what Vijisenencio wanted to do, by the way.
36:12And then he got killed weeks after >> the the anti-corruption presidential candidate, Fernando Vioenencio, who correct assassinated by cartels as he campaigned for president. That's who you're referring to.
36:24>> Yes, we did a report and it's unclear who's behind that, but it's kind of he, you know, >> it's kind of obvious.
36:30>> Yes, he wanted to militarize the ports and he was an enemy of Denil Noa. Diloa told him that he's a bad enemy and he's going to be his worst nightmare and weeks after he died. So, could be a coincidence. Who knows? But in this case, um she Monica Silva was growing into the cases. So, first smaller cases that grew to largest authorities. So, for example, she she found a really heavy corruption scandal for the one of the minister one of the Noah's main ministers. And and another example, the controller of the country sue her because she was denouncing corruption among which she said that that same
37:12controller had a lot of his relatives and family working in the state in specific, you know, after Nova was elected in in exchange of favor, stuff like that. So he su her. So it's it's unusual that an activist that's in defense of the defending the community it's against corruption is pro nature is persecuted by the state. It's you know she she started getting death threats and this is important to say she was specific to who she thought the death threats came from and it was not noascam necessarily but then again you know who knows that's out there so everybody knows that they're going to get the
37:49blame if you will. So it's unclear who did it but there are specific you know suspects that she herself and one of those was the government. She said that if anything happens to her is the government's fault and it is because she got death threats. She went in a in a podcast told about it so the entire country knew she was threatened. Then she went and talked to a a judge. She put um you know the all the proper channels to get protection and she was never protected by the state like not not at all and you will think you know that some that's a beneficial person for the cuadorian society somebody who's
38:28fighting for the community and against corruption should be protected by the state but you know this is what my conclusion of this whole entire thing is is that she was born in Poland you know she grew up in Poland and she traveled around the world before falling in love of the town of Montanita where I used to live when I was young. Um, she thought in her head that Ecuador should live in a state of law in a state where you have actual law. You know, in her head thought that that should be the case and that could maybe was the case. And the reason you don't see a cuadorian activist as brave as her, as active as
39:08her, is because the Ecuadorians in their head, they know exactly how things work, you know, and they know exactly that there's no law, there's no state of law, there's no fairness in the law, it's just corruption, flat out corruption. So for her eventually, you know, I talked to some of her closest friends and they told me that she yeah, you know, she was actually depressed, which is something that the minister said and didn't make sense in his words, you know, because he was trying to use that for say that she's suicided, which she's not going to do because she had two shoot two daughters, you know, so she was never
39:42going to do that. But u she was depressed and sad because nobody helped her. She she she tweeted at some point that the press like the the journalists failed her that she didn't want a report postmortem that she wanted the press to help her in life to change stuff and she did not receive that kind of help because the press the journalism the media it's it's about and paid for you know for for with very reasonable exceptions but for the most part. So, >> so she was she she died from a blow to the head after uh being after the government said suicide uh after pursuing the Nabboa narot trafficking
40:24file. handing it over to the US embassy reminds me a lot of Berta Caseres in Honduras and you know those who were basically behind the Honduras coup and emerged from it have now been re reinstituted into power by Trump and >> and mind you sorry we got to get Wyatt on so we have to wrap up now >> just to your point Juan Orlando was in control of that process >> he ended up being in jail for narot trafficking so this relation between fighting the left and the intelligence agencies and narot traffic is there.
41:00>> Yep. Yep. Uh the parallels are extreme.
41:04We could talk about this for the next two hours, but we're going to be featuring some new reports from you, Oscar, at the Grey Zone on this very instance and on uh the new president of Colombia. So, thanks a lot for joining us. Great seeing you. Uh, we're going to bring in Wyatt right now, Wyatt Reid from Beirut, Lebanon, who's been covering the continued Israeli assault in southern Lebanon. Wyatt, welcome to the stage. Sorry to keep you waiting.
41:35>> No worries, Max. It's good to see you.
41:37>> Yeah, you too. [clears throat] Um, so let's let's just talk about your latest Well, you I wanted to to discuss your latest report from the south, but I think we can get into that. Uh G just give us a a briefing on what's happened since then and the last week. Uh we we've just learned that is is Israel and Lebanon.
42:13Lebanon, meaning the authorities who have very little mandate to do this and are violating the Lebanese constitution have signed a framework agreement marking the beginning of formal cooperation talks. Um, Israel continues to bombard the south. You know, just bring us up to date on what's happening.
42:32>> Yes. So the big news tonight is that they have finally signed this framework agreement that uh is being touted in the United States by Secretary of Start Marco Rubio and peace >> by the and in Israel by Netanyahu as this wonderful new develop >> kind of lost has been of what many people have been expecting which is that uh basically the Lebanese government, if you even want to use that term, is just rolling over and giving Israel everything that it wants.
43:12Um, what does it want? Well, it wants to maintain its occupation of southern Lebanon indefinitely. And that is a gift that was just handed to this government. Um it's a it's a uh yeah it's it's a it's a complete surrender effectively. It allows Israel to continue occupying indefinitely uh the entire so-called yellow line zone um and more and beyond.
43:48And uh the Israelis have made it very clear. Netanyahu since this news was announced has publicly stated that they will occupy this security zone um in Lebanon for quote as long as Hezbollah does not disarm. So indefinitely, right?
44:06because Hezbollah has made it clear, painfully clear over and over and again that they're not going to unilaterally disarm while huge spots to the south are militarily occupied by foreign invaders.
44:18So, uh this means basically that the Lebanese government has has offered an invitation. they have basically um signed over swats of of the south to the Israelis and said, "Hey, you know, they they're basically rolling out the welcome mat for them."
44:37>> The the the framework agreement has some kind of stipulations about these so-called pilot zones where ostensibly Hezbollah will disarm and then hand over control of the territory to the Lebanese army. Um, and we've already sort of seen what happens when they try to do this.
44:57The Lebanese army will come in and then they get killed by Israel. They get shelled or struck with drones or missiles. Um, including even high high level sort of uh commanders in the Lebanese army. Um, so you know, I I think we we all kind of know where this goes. It it goes to again a formalization of the occupation >> and for the Lebanese authorities who are in power, it's a means for them to weaken their opponent by using the Israeli military by proxy to not just weaken their opponent by but to attack the community the the constituency of Hezbollah which is the largest parliamentary faction in Lebanon's
45:45parliament.
45:46It's just pure cowardice. Here's something you filmed today in Dah uh showing the reaction of Hezbollah's constituency on the uh 10th day of Muharam and uh was is the the first day of Asher?
46:04>> It's the day of Ashur. That's right. So uh the the day in which Imam Hussein that um he was uh the grandson of the prophet Muhammad and he refused to cow before the tyrannical leader Yazid uh the califf Yazid Ka Lazid and uh basically uh a very unpopular early Islamic leader who was uh the the first to interrupt this somewhat democratic system called Shura. Um and he was appointed basically directly as a a successor because of who his father was. He was the first hereditary monarch. Um so represented not just a a regression in terms of kind of a a de more democratic system. Uh he was also very lived a very lavish sort
47:13of degenerate lifestyle. Uh he demanded loyalty oaths. Dissenters were crushed under his rule. And if any of that sounds familiar you know you may be living in the United States or many [laughter] of any one of its vassal states. Um but you know so so he faced this certain death along with 72 of his followers. They knew they would die uh but they would die for something that mattered. Uh and they would their their legacy would live on. And the famous phrase was never to humiliation.
47:47And that is something I think the Israelis it's quite likely they deliberately timed this. It's a what this framework agreement is is a massive humiliation for Lebanon in general, but uh specifically for the Shia Muslims who today is the the holiest day of the calendar for >> and so the confrontation will continue in the south and Israel needs to continue the confrontation for political reasons. verse to attack the memorandum of understanding signed by Trump between Trump and Iran through Pakistan. Uh Lebanon is mentioned three times in theou and so as long as Israel is escalating in Lebanon, theou is
48:36imperiled and an Iranian response is possible.
48:41Then you have Netanyahu's peril uh political peril that he faces at home.
48:47he needs to be at war. Um, but at the same time, Israel continues to lose soldiers. It has failed to capture the Ali Alah Hill, which is sort of this strategic Hezbollah fortress, which Israel actually built in the 1990s. Um, and here's uh Israel Katz, Israel's unhinged defense minister, declaring that the IDF won't withdraw from southern Lebanon even if there's an American demand. And you know the Americans should demand that they leave because it's in theouou. Uh what happens now?
49:24>> Well, I think we go right back to where we started which is the straight of Hormuz remains closed. The there is no I mean there's a concepts of a deal as Trump might say, right? But there there's nothing firm here. And when you have this kind of pincher movement of the Israelis on the one hand saying we will never leave the south until Hezbollah disarms and you have have the US saying that we these um we won't unfreeze these Iranian assets until they stop funding Hezbollah. Well, they've they've moved the Hezbollah field back onto the negotiating table, even though it was very clear from the
50:0614-point memorandum of understanding that uh Hezbollah was was meant to be a separate issue that was not included in this, which is why the Iranians were so insistent that a red line be drawn around Lebanon and that it be considered offlimits and that any attacks on Lebanon would be considered violations of the ceasefire with Iran. So the the US and Israel are making it very clear that they have no intention of honoring their agreement or the American agreement. Uh Israel is making it very clear that it has every intention of sabotaging that agreement by saying that no matter what the US says, we will not
50:40leave from Lebanon. So we have the sabotage that we always knew the Israelis would uh would produce and and put forward. uh but we don't have the kind of rhetoric that we saw earlier this week from the US trying to kind of demonstrate any distance with the Israelis. So, to me, that signals that the US is is completely okay with Israel destabilizing this process. Um, and that they're basically going to continue using this negotiating, the 60-day negotiating period to try to extract concessions from Iran points where they might absolutely. And Trump has violated theou explicitly by threatening to attack
51:33Iran. He said like, "I'll bomb I'll what do you say? I'll blow the [ __ ] out of Iran."
51:40Those were his exact words. Um, you know, very Lindsey Graham commentary from Donald Trump, but it says in theou, "Do not threaten to attack one another.
51:55Threatening like violent threats are not allowed." So he's already violated it.
51:59It's not very serious from his point of view. Um and JD Vance is the main salesman. So it doesn't show a lot of confidence by Trump. And Marco Rubio's sitting in waiting in the wings apparent seem possibly hoping for it to fail.
52:14This is the pet project of Paul Singer and Miriam Add. Uh Wyatt, uh we've got just a few minutes, but I wanted to ask what you saw in the South. Um, let's play the first minute of your last report, which is called Under Israeli Fire: Lebanese Struggle to Return Home.
52:36>> What do you think of the agreement with Israel? It's ridiculous. As a man who you interviewed in in the rubble, they say it's not going to happen.
52:45>> You just come across Bulla's secret weapon, fiber optic cable.
52:52>> Our fathers were born here. can't leave this land every >> um all of these houses and homes behind me are currently being occupied by Israel.
53:11>> May I want to tell you why I decided to come back to my village as a little girl.
53:18>> It's the village is our village. It's also my homeland.
53:23So, this is a really compelling report with um some of the mo most uh vivid scenes we've seen yet from the war in the south uh at the gray zone. What did what did you see there when you were you were in Ty and you were in some of the villages around Ty as thousands and thousands of mostly Shia citizens sought to return home including to the rubble of their homes and businesses.
53:54>> Well, I saw a lot of cautious optimism.
53:57I saw a lot of people who wanted to believe in this ceasefire agreement um who had faith that that it was secured essentially by Iranian negotiators um and who believe that even if there wouldn't be a full ceasefire that there would be a marked reduce in Israeli attacks and that was the case for a couple days um and then Israel responded to a devastating attack at the Ali um ridge that you were describing earlier in which four Israeli soldiers were neutralized, one of whom was a battalion commander of I believe the the 52nd battalion of the [clears throat] 401st Armored Brigade, which again is the the
54:52brigade that was responsible for murdering hindr. job. Um, so they responded to this with devastating massacres all across the south that killed nearly 100 people in a single day, which is one of the bloodiest days of the war so far. Um, and then the the next night uh they were again pummeled by the resistance uh at this same fortification.
55:20Something like 15 casualties. One of them was killed, I believe. Um so they they responded again with massacres. Um since then there's been a a marked reduction in hostilities. Hezbollah has there's was a a reannounced ceasefire which Hezbollah has largely abided by.
55:41The Israelis on the other hand are continuing to kind of press their luck.
55:45Uh there's been shelling all across the south today. They kidnapped something like eight farmers um from a village in the south. Uh farmers who had the misfortune of crossing path with uh occupation soldiers. Um and uh what else did I see in the south? Well, um I saw some evidence of Israeli war crimes. I saw evidence of Hezbollah's attempts to resist that. Uh this was the first time I'd seen in the flesh uh actual fiber optic cable something that you can you can look and hold and touch with your hand and and see that you know his bull was here uh firing some kind of drone at uh Israeli forces somewhere in the
56:33vicinity.
56:34And uh I spoke with people who were almost uniformly just fully steadfast in their refusal to abandon the land of their ancestors. Uh you know, you saw the quote from the older gentleman who was in a separate village. A lot of people in the south um they if they they're kind of country people. They don't necessarily want to come to Beirut. They think it's noisy and loud and smelly. Um, they like living out in the woods a little bit more. So, if they have the option, they have the means, many of them will stay in smaller cities like Sida or they'll stay in other villages in the south but further up
57:18north where it's they're less likely to get killed for uh, you know, refusing some Israeli order. And, uh, so this gentleman was in a a separate village.
57:30Many of the the kids that you see in that video and some of the villagers uh they came down to their original homes. The first uh they moved back up to villages that are still in the south but are outside of of Israeli uh Israeli soldiers kind of typical range. Um, so this interview was carried out at a village that was a little further up north uh where you know people have reestablished themselves in the hopes that they'll get to go back to their actual villages uh again soon. So people who came down the first couple days had to pack all their belongings up again and move back up to the north where they
58:17for who knows how long until um Israel actually shows its intentions of respecting the ceasefire. And I was struck by a lot of the language that people used. Um that gentleman at the end had a great phrase about uh under every tree or every tree has been kind of watered with the blood of the martyrs. And it reminds me a lot of a famous to Thomas Jefferson quote who said from time to time the tree of liberty has to be refreshed with the blood of patriots. Um, and so it's it's kind of a universal message that if the man were not speaking Arabic, I think would resonate with a lot of Americans.
58:59If he were not uh opposed to Israeli genocide and ethnic cleansing, I think most people in America would find that to be a very patriotic message. but because he has the misfortune of being born in the periphery of the Israeli entity, uh that is somehow suddenly makes him some kind of terrorist sympathizer. Um but it's really a universal desire and it's one that I found over and over again while I was traveling throughout the South.
59:28what's a a very moving report that you produced there and as I commented on Twitter X, you know, it really just shows some of the most dignified people on the planet who are simply fighting for their own sovereignty and freedom and ability to live in the land of their ancestors and who just had the misfortune of being born next to a vicious nuclearized apartheid colony. And that is why Hezbollah exists. That's simply why it exists. Doesn't exist to go uh attack, you know, symbolic targets thousands of miles away. It's basically fighting a war to remove invaders.
60:14And looks like the following today's agreement, unconstitutional agreement between the Lebanese authorities and Israel, that war will continue. Uh Wyatt Reed, thanks so much for your reporting.
60:26We're going I mean this is, you know, some of the best reporting we've done at the Greyzone. So I'm really looking forward to your next piece. Um we got a new short from you about monarchist violence. Uh Palvie cultists gone wild at the World Cup. That's up at the gray zone now. So everyone check that out.
60:45I'm gonna uh feature the last two minutes of your report. Uh, and then we're gonna go to Kit Clarenberg on the final collapse of Kier Starmer. Uh, Kit's waiting in the green room. Again, Wyatt, thanks a lot and we'll >> Thanks so much, Max.
61:05>> We'll check in with you soon.
61:07So, this is the last two minutes of Wyatt's report, and I think it's really powerful reporting that everyone needs to see. I'm not going I'm going to take a short break, so I won't be able to uh to read the subtitles. So, you know, go back to your screen, turn on the sound, uh, if you if you want, but you're going to have to read these subtitles and listen to the voices of these children who are being declared Hezbollah targets by the Israeli military who are seeking to return to their mostly rural villages in southern Lebanon and are the targets of Israel's latest ethnic cleansing campaign.
61:49Sure.
61:54Show me.
62:20Yeah.
62:42foreign.
63:12Hello.
63:40Sure.
64:05So that's from Wyatt Reed's latest report from southern Lebanon on Lebanese citizens struggling to return home. Uh Kit Clarenberg's on stage. Welcome Kit. How you doing?
64:19>> Hey, very well, thanks Max. How you doing?
64:23>> Hanging in there. Um, I guess Kier Starmer falling is some good news uh [laughter] in a in a otherwise grim landscape. Uh I I want to talk to you about that and I also want to talk to you about one of the most unrecognized underaged scandals of Starmer's term.
64:50The uh Ukrainian male model scandal or what some are calling the rent boys scandal which the British press for some reason refused to touch. It was one of the strangest trials I've seen. This should have been a huge story. But first, I want to just ask you um why did why do you think Kier Star Dmer was one of the most unpopular PMs in British history and why has he fallen and you know just what what what's your take?
65:23>> Well, he was offering absolutely nothing at the end of the day. I I mean this was you know an empty vessel in a cheap suit being rewarded for a lifetime of serving the establishment by getting to play prime minister. Um you know he his entire policy offering was you indistinguishable from the conservatives apart from some you know very minor and and in many cases not particularly meaningful um [clears throat] uh ways.
65:49So I mean and he's also been you know embroiled in scandal pretty much from the moment he got elected. There was all sorts of dirt surrounding Stalman. Not only is his not only through his um career as the the the head of the Crown Prosecution Service, which is almost fetishized um or has been by his media supporters, of which there used to be many and now there are seemingly very few. Um but I mean during that time as you and I have discussed before um he uh was centrally involved in the cover up of Jimmy Savile's you know historic industrial scale pedophilia and necrilia. Um he uh was involved in the
66:30centrally involved in the persecution of Julian Assange and he also uh helped uh yeah well helped um he got MI6 and MI5 off the hook for their extensive involvement um in torture post 911. you know, police had tens of thousands of documents naming MI6 officers who were involved in the rendering and torture of often completely, you know, innocent people. Um, and uh, Starmer personally on three separate occasions moved to to not prosecute despite overwhelming evidence. So yeah, he he had a he had a lot of dirt on him and the way that he became prime minister or well the way that he became Labour leader after only
67:09five years in parliament was a campaign group called Labor Together run by Peter Mandlesson again we've discussed this before Max um that it ran an operation to get him elected in the most like criminal corrupt way. It spent almost a million pounds in which is a lot of money in a in a UK party leadership campaign. It funneled one million almost1 million pounds in dark money to Stararma from you know wealthy Zionist donors and quickly uh it before uh the long before Star became leader from about 2016 onwards it was centrally labor together was centrally involved in in trying to destroy Jeremy Corbyn and
67:48his support base within the party and within independent media and pursued all sorts of dirty tricks uh to um uh achieve that goal. It completely neutralized the Canary which was for a time I mean extremely popular left you completely independent you know reader supported left-wing pro very proc um and there was a targeted multif multi multiffront operation to destroy them which was devastatingly successful >> and they targeted you >> yeah so personally by name run by Morgani uh this was basically like the shadow operation and the slush fund for electing Starmer and you were and they hired this uh Appco PR firm which wanted
68:35to go after you.
68:37>> Yeah. Well, sorry I was I was getting >> Congratulations rambling Max. [laughter] >> Yeah.
68:43>> Yeah. Well, no. I mean, yes. So at Labor Together that because of damaging leaks about their very corrupt operations in terms of getting Starmmer, you know, in in into power, um you hired a PR firm to spy on and smear journalists, including me specifically. Um and interestingly, the media has covered the mainstream media has covered the scandal to an extent, but they they you know, they I haven't been named. Um so I mean, I'm I'm sure that's you know, just just a coincidence, but yeah, I mean I was very central to the whole thing. They were trying to, you know, blame me for these very damaging leaks suggesting the fact
69:15that I'd mentioned Labor Together one time was proof that Labor Together had been hacked by Russians and blah blah all this nonsense. But I mean, I have pages and pages of heavily redacted documents on um on on on this from Appco, which maybe we should do something with one day. But yeah, the whole thing is completely farical. Stalm became leader through the most corrupt, dirty means possible. He ruled like that. He was surrounded by terrible, terrible people. In a bitter irony, um the uh the Labour MP who as who was part of of Labour together who personally signed off on the spying operation targeting me, he got thrown under the
69:51bus by Star and lost his ministerial position. He gave up his parliamentary seat so Andy Bur Burnham could be parachuted in and become the next prime minister. Um so yeah I mean and and so I think the scandals were mounting and then on June 11th you have the resignation of John Healey the defense secretary who's often pictured with KIA um and had been driving this very very hawkish uh policy uh towards Russia particularly but also you know you pro you know NATO first um supporting NATO expansion and you know arming Ukraine to the to the absolute teeth and and supporting them quote unquote as long as
70:28it as long as it takes um you know in that time Stalmer and Healey were often photographed together wearing military-style uniforms, the the propaganda was not was not subtle at all. Um Healey resigned because for all of Star's Bellose rhetoric on defense um and pledges to increase defense spending um actual you know increases are absolutely meaningless and there are being major cuts made to um you existing military forces before this non-existent extra money even reaches the army. Um, so I mean the clearly Starmmer I I my gut feeling from when he took took office was he was the prime minister who
71:08was meant to lead Britain into war with Russia. He's failed spectacularly. 50% of young Britons would never fight to defend their country quote unquote according to polls. Um but uh so whoever replaces Starmer will have to just have a go at this again I suppose. And it looks like people like Paul Mason will be on hand to give them to to help.
71:28[sighs] >> So earlier this month, two men were jailed over arson attacks linked to Kier Starmer. We didn't hear a lot about this. This is from their trial or their sentencing.
71:44>> Very dramatic. I indicate now that I will make available a copy of the >> these were like Ukrainian male models who there were four of them but only two were sentenced >> on Monday of this week >> and we they were apparently paid to attack Kier Star Dmer's property >> but we don't know who paid them and we weren't allowed to learn that from the trial. Is that correct? What is this scandal that's been referred to as the Ukrainian male models scandal? And how might Pierce Starmer had have known them? Why why would they have known what his property was, which cars he owned, where he lived?
72:26>> Yeah. Well, I mean, you in in a a a plot worthy of Zoolander 3, um, allegedly these there are these two Ukrainians um who were allegedly recruited. I mean, a lot of the facts of the case are not clear at all, but I'm just going off the official story is that there are these three young, sorry, two young Ukrainians who were recruited um and assisted by a third who was subsequently acquitted um to perpetrate arson against a car owned several years ago by Kstarma. Um a properties he used to manage in London, which he's no longer connected to, um and a home he was living in uh again in London before he became prime minister
73:06and moved into 10 Downing Street. Now, um, uh, yeah, I mean, it gets very, very murky from here, but I mean, as you, as you rightly asked, you know, how on earth could these three Ukrainians know, um, uh, the the information that's clearly not available to, you know, average, um, citizens, um, you know, all all three of them being young Ukrainian men, um, in who are, you avoiding avoiding the draft as strenuously as possible back home. Um yeah that I mean they are listed they are listed on male model websites um and uh it came out during the trial that they um they had grinder accounts that were mysteriously
73:42deleted um after they were arrested. But the point is is yes that they were allegedly recruited by this Russian but also Ukrainian speaking telegram user called L or Eel Money. Now um the the trial was extremely weird not least because the media wasn't going anywhere near it. Now, there is an independent journalist called Chrisen Flinttoff who went every single day of the 21-day trial. Um, just just out of curiosity, he he's written a very interesting account for his substack of of going in every day and what he saw and you evidence that he heard. Um, and he delves into how what was heard um in
74:18court either didn't emerge in the media or was was grossly distorted for political reasons, but we'll get into that in due course. Now the yeah the the from the outset of the trial and uh after prosecutors announced that this El Money character or characters had recruited uh the the Ukrainians and spoke Russian there was a kind of blitz in the media about the trial and then it was left alone for its duration.
74:42Flinttoff reveals that there was a contempt of court uh very stringent contempt of court restrictions um which are you know a major thing in the UK as we've written about in respect to Palestine action uh you know it at one point Chrisen himself thought that he was going to go to prison um because of his you know daily updates on on the progress of the trial on on on YouTube but um yeah the point is is the judge explicitly stated that jurors were not to consider who El Money was.
75:11Prosecutors repeatedly made this point throughout the trial. So the you know what evidence was considered um by the jury and uh you know emer you know to the extent it emerged publicly centered solely on the question of whether the three accused had committed arson. As I say one was acquitted two were j uh two were jailed for you know very lengthy sentences uh for arson offenses. But what's really what what's really strange about this is again as we've written about the gray zone, Britain has a very draconian bit of legislation called the National Security Act which entered into force in December 2023 and it grants
75:48British authorities sweeping powers to tackle precisely these sort of crimes where people have allegedly been recruited by host quote unquote hostile foreign powers via telegram or you know other forms of social media. And there's been a lot of talk in the mainstream media about how you know evil Iran and and Russia and China are using um you know messaging apps etc to you know try and recruit agents to carry out sabotage. Some some people have been jailed in the UK under this act for committing arson. Yet uh the Ukrainians were even though they were held in Belmar where that's where Julian Asand
76:23it's you know Britain's Guantanamo is highsecurity prison. They weren't charged with national security offenses at all. And the national sec the very obvious national security implications of of the the sitting prime minister being targeted in a you know very direct personal and potentially lethal way. It didn't really register in the media at all, which was very strange.
76:45>> Like Golders Green, the stabbing, the threat level of the UK was raised by Starmer to severe, but the threat level was never raised when the prime minister's property home cars were targeted with arson. What's up with that?
77:01>> Yeah. Yeah. Precisely. It's just like it's very I mean even like little like you know like you know small incidents where where politicians in the UK get get you know green slime thrown at them like usually elicits you know mainstream debate about the security of elected lawmakers and reviews of their security arrangements. Um not so in this case bizarrely but it things get weirder and weirder because yeah there were there there were actually indicate very clear indications that there was a potential sexual component here one way or another. like you know these people had you know o o openly accessible profiles
77:34on modeling websites etc. I mean they were rather you know handsome young men um and then and so a number of people in you ranging from George Galloway to Tommy Robinson did speculate whether they were rent boys who starred had failed to to you know pay off um but I mean that that wasn't that wasn't explored at the trial at all and what was heard was extremely limited. Now, um, what this within hours of the verdict's landing, I believe that was on June 15th, the BBC it, uh, published a almost 4,000word long read on, um, uh, the, uh, on on the trial.
78:12Um, and also a dedicated and very slick panorama documentary with talking heads like Christa Grov from Bellingat and you know very very dubious figure who left Bellingat in very strange circumstances but they I mean all saying well this is you know textbook Russia Russian tradecraft etc. And not only that, um the BBC claimed based on material it uh alone seemingly had access to that they had identified precisely who Eel Money was. And it was apparently this 23-year-old but apparently very well-connected um uh uh information warfare specialist within the Russian intelligence services. Um which is you
78:49know this did not come out at trial at all. like the as I say judges and prosecutors were very keen to remind jurors that they were not to consider this in any way. Um and um more you know moreover the the um the BBC uh acknowledged how st how quote unquote strange the trial was that the author of the drama i.e. El Money um their identity was never revealed and or so deliberately avoided quote unquote. So, I mean, you know, why the BBC is solving this case um on behalf of British police and courts, I don't know. The BBC did quote a senior counterterror officer saying that there's no evidence whatsoever that Elmani was working for
79:30any state um or was, you know, or was Russian. A detail which has not really uh been mentioned in the mainstream media, although has has been acknowledged is was that the the user spoke Ukrainian quote unquote perfectly.
79:45Uh so and you know very few Russians speak Ukrainian um whereas you most Ukrainians even if they might not admit it do speak Russian. So there's all sorts of oddity oddity around this. Um you know one of the defendants Levonovich um who's I think he's got the best part of 10 years in jail for his role in this has said during the trial that he thought that El Money was several people that he thought he was talking to a woman at one stage and there might have been you know two or three men involved. So the attribution of of this attack to Russia is very very dubious. But after the BBC published this these clearly pre you know
80:21pre-rehearsed um and long in the making investigations into how this was absolutely Russia um the you know they the FT followed suit uh you know the insider you know linked to Bell &A as I mentioned >> Paul had this tweet [clears throat] this is Paul Mason the UK is under hybrid attack and every Brit who spread Russian disinformation narrative about Kier Starmer is a traitor hang your heads idiots.
80:46Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean that I mean that that's you know Paul that's Paul Mason all over. But this is what's really this is what's this is another really bizarre thing about about about the about the the the post-trial media blitz is that there was all of this shrieking um condemnation from you know politicians public figures like Peter Tatch or this longtime gay rights campaigner who was all in on the Syrian dirty war. Um and yeah, politicians you from every party and they're all like trying to jin up sit public sympathy for Star saying this was a disgusting attack on a man and his family. You know, this
81:20shows that why we need to defeat Putin in Ukraine and who the person we're meant to feel really sorry for has just quit.
81:28Like, you know, it's very bizarre. It's very bizarre. And there are all sorts of questions about this that you that haven't been resolved. As I say, I would urge people to read Krisen Flintto's account because it's very very very interesting. What are what are the most serious lingering questions in your view?
81:44>> Well, I mean, quite obviously that, you know, El Money was central to this, but we don't know who they are. The court didn't look into it. The police say they've got no evidence that that this person, you know, works for any state and then yet the media has convicted Russia. That's, you know, a very obvious question. How did they, as you say, Max, know details about, you know, Star's properties, uh, you know, that that wouldn't be um, you know, o open to the the general public? You know, why were they held in Belm Marsh if they're not being charged on national security offenses? Why weren't they charged on
82:15national security offenses? And, you know, again, what what was what what was with the almost total media blackout beyond announcing that people had been arrested for this uh, a year ago? And I might add that, you know, the the initially prosecutors explicitly were were quoted in the media and stated in court. They didn't have any uh evidence indicating why the defendants might have done this and and but they they seem to have settled on on Russia as a as a as a comfortable option much further down the line. And and yes, they clearly clearly there has been some degree of coordination um with uh the security
82:54services. There is a strange reference in the BBC's long read to how uh sources have told the BBC that authorities in the UK and Ukraine have concluded Russia was responsible. Um it's a bit strange for Ukraine to be investigating a British criminal case. Um and you know you might reasonably ask you know why why why on earth that would be and whether they are you working directly with uh British intelligence and law enforcement on this. Um, but then you also factor in the fact that you Ukraine's SBU, which is you their their primary internal security and spying agency, which is you very heavily infiltrated by the CIA and MI6 and has
83:33been since uh Maidan. Um they for many years have uh been recruiting Russian citizens to commit petty vandalism and um you know to to ruin ballot boxes to uh to to start fires on on government build on government buildings for many many years. They got it down to a fine art. Sometimes they offer financial incentives other times they you they blackmail people or scam them into doing these things. But you know the mainstream media has of course never um uh referenced that or you know connected these you know very very obvious dots as to you know who might have an interest in burning down Star's home. But yeah the entire thing is just
84:10very very very bizarre and I you know as I mentioned you know Starmer was his purpose was to try and get the UK on the war path. The British government is formally committed to preparing the population for war. People don't want it. uh Starmer and everyone around him were very bad salespeople for anything um least of all you know nuclear holocaust um and so I mean the he he had to go and then now it's Bernham's uh uh chance to spend at this rate maybe a few weeks um trying to achieve what Stalma couldn't and then getting shunted away um you know this is the the state of Britain today.
84:51Well, yeah. I guess in closing, uh, we're gonna move on in a few minutes.
84:57Uh, but you know, in closing, Andy Burnham, this is to me it seemed like this was the guy the establishment, the labor establishment or the labor right-wing wanted, but they wound up having to overcome Corbinism first. And then Starmer sort of stepped into the breach as the guy who was going to neutralize the Corbinites and ultimately take u you know commit suicide on behalf of labor. Uh and but now they're back to Burnham. I mean is there any real material political difference between him and Kier Star Dmer? Is he just a sort of friendlier face for the same you know you know old wine in a new bottle?
85:41[laughter] >> Yeah. Well, I mean, it's interesting what you say because I mean, you got to remember that in 2015, Burnham uh was the frontr runner in the 20 in that year's Labor leadership contest. And of course, it was won by Jeremy Corbyn. I remember watching because I was I was all in on Corbyn, it must be, you know, admitted um at at the time. And I remember watching very closely their performances in debates and Burnham just had this incredible habit of just never being able to answer a question and spending five minutes not answering you know basic questions whereas Corbyn would offer very punchy tight answers to
86:14the extent that you even you know very conservative pundits were saying Corbyn is you know clearly you the credible candidate here and Burnham isn't. So there's probably a huge degree of bitterness that it's taken so long for, you know, his his anointment as as Labour leader. But yeah, I mean, you know, Starmmer was sold as as this very as this sage statesman um you know, a a family man who can hold a meeting and give a speech. Well, he can't even do, you know, these, you know, basic things.
86:41there was an attempt to um turn how boring, you know, kind of grindingly tedious he is and his his terrible asthmatic insect voice um into somehow uh positive qualities. There were I mean I I this sounds like I'm making it up, but I'm not. There were op-eds published in supposedly serious newspapers about Star's boring sex appeal. Um you I'm not kidding. Um but you know that that didn't really work because yeah I mean he's just this this completely empty vessel and very annoying and charmless and was also doing you absolutely horrendous things. I mean he he personally flew to the Akuri base in Cyprus um uh where Britain for you know
87:21decades has you know run secret military and intelligence units. Um and this is the primary base of operations whereby Britain is centrally involved in the Gaza genocide. Uh there are a lot of spy flights that that hover over Gaza menacingly sent from there that pass information to to Tel Aviv. Um there are the British special forces soldiers and their equipment are sent back and forth so so Britain can can play can do its part. Um you know just slaughtering your innocent Palestinians, particularly women and children of course. Um so and yeah, Stalmer visited them. I believe it was the end of 2024 and specifically
87:57said uh we're so grateful for what you're doing. of course you can't talk about what you're doing but you know keep it up. So I mean here he's centrally himself implicated in a 21st century holocaust but of course um you know that that he's not going to face any consequences for that and and it's not going to be mentioned in his many fing mainstream obituaries that the the phrase decent man keeps cropping up and up and up and you know it is hardly a decent man who um without shame it seems um is involved in covering up Jimmy Savile's sex crimes But you this is uh what passes for decency in British
88:35politics these days.
88:36>> Yeah. Uh I saw [clears throat] some maybe it was the Guardian. I I can't remember. It was sort of center-left publication on Starmer what what he accomplished. He recognized a Palestinian state and uh tried to you know tried to shore up Britain's social democracy. It was a complete whitewash.
88:58Um just right there.
89:01It wasn't Mason, but it was just it was just a headline that was a complete whitewash. Uh but you know, no one's being fooled in the UK.
89:09What's left of the British left uh you know has no reason to be a part of labor any longer >> and Britain seems to be heading toward into like reform territory. They're just heading to the far shores of the right after labor neutralized the left.
89:27And just so so last question is kind of you know >> Yeah. Go ahead.
89:31>> Is this does this kind of portend a massive shift to the right to Farage?
89:39>> Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean I think that that I mean that's always been the trajectory and there were there were sharpeyed people like Matt Canard um who I mean as as early as 2020 was writing excellent uh pieces for the Grey Zone on you know the the very troubling uh in deep state connections of of Kier Starmer and his membership of the the the very spooky and ominous trilateral commission. Um so I mean the yeah the he pointed out canard did uh years ago that Starmer would would at most be a one-term prime minister who laid the foundations for Nigel Farage.
90:14of course you know Farage and and people like Musk who are frequently built up as these you know kind of almost you know cartoon villains um in the British media um they are extremely useful to uh the British establishment in every in every way um much like you know in you know much like Trump is um in the US um for all of the condemnations and the you know and and and the scaremongering you know the these people are creatures of the of the establishment um the I mean we recently saw in um uh in uh occupied Ireland um as I think we might have something forthcoming on. Um there was you fake race riots like there was a
90:53completely stage managed and choreographed uh uh u um attacks on um the homes of migrants and you know migr migrant owned businesses in occupied Ireland and it was sold in the mainstream media as as a completely spontaneous you know burst of you know dangerous uh far right further um in reality you know all of the people on at this riot they were bust in they were like young people who were you know political and and you know had had jobs to do and had been you brought there by uh paramil Protestant paramilitary groups that in many cases receive you know direct and indirect funding from the British state to this day. But that
91:34you know a you know interesting feature of this is you know none other than um uh the center for countering digital hate which was founded by none other than labor together um and was involved in neutralizing the canary and uh was heavily involved in kind of uh co co censorship around covid quote unquote disinformation. Um they published a report on how Musk had, you know, deliberately stoked the fires of, you know, ra racist hatred and and and and you know, was was a central figure within um uh you know, with within this upheaval. Um yeah, you know, it's a lie.
92:10But I mean, whenever there's a um whenever there's a riot in the UK, as we've you know, we we we've just reported often it's the state themselves doing it. But I mean, at the very least, even if there is a >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Like you know they're quote unquote stirring this up.
92:26Um but you know in the uh you know by by by the by the same token all of this stuff even if it's not fully orchestrated by the security and intelligence services it grants the state an extraordinary license to pursue you know censorship uh censorship and all sorts of you know savage crackdowns on on on free speech. Um you know recently a variety of bans have come in on v you know restrictions on VPN use bans on social media usage by under 16s which is you know a smokeokc screen for uh forcing people to verify their ages using their government provided IDs on social media which kills anonymity dead
93:06um and makes it very easy to you know link people to particular social media accounts and this is all you know this always is implemented in the wake of major uh riots or you know um supposed organic terror terror plots. In 2024 there was race rioting um in which Tommy Robinson, another establishment creature tied to Israel um was central um over a series of killings in a city in England called Southport. um you know uh that uh uh [clears throat] that just that was cited as a justification for banning VPNs and online privacy you know and and sorry restricting online privacy. So I yeah and and you know Starmer himself
93:51you know racked up a I mean it stunned even me. I was expecting him to be very authoritarian and to outright totalitarian. He passed all sorts of absolutely extraordinary bits of legislation, you know, restricting um uh you basic protest rights, criminalizing.
94:07Of course, we've had the the the Supreme Court just sign off on the on the government's prescription of Palestine action as a terrorist group, you know, around the time that their their act their actionists are being jailed for very very long terms as terrorists despite not being tried on those charges. So I mean this is you know this is the the Britain star entered and the Britain star leaves um and I don't think it will be changing very much very soon.
94:36No. Uh the trajectory will remain the same which is toward repression and uh a sense of occupation for many citizens and the uh relationship with Palunteer which Starmer uh consolidated will probably deepen.
94:56But Kit, I wanted to give you the chance for this uh post Starmer victory lap and excellent presentation as always and we're definitely looking forward to your report on what just took place in Northern Ireland. You do have an explosive report that's already on the gray zone right now on uh it's a sort of a historical report relying on leaks from some MI6 veterans on how they instigated riots during the troubles in Northern Ireland which sort of previews your next more contemporary report that we're looking forward to. So, thanks a lot for joining us today.
95:30>> My pleasure. Thanks, Max. God bless you.
95:32>> Good seeing you.
95:35All right, we got Aaron Mate in the building and we'll bring him on to stage if you give me a thumbs up when you're ready. You look ready. All right.
95:43What's up, Aaron?
95:44>> How's it going, Max? Good to see you.
95:45>> Good, good, good.
95:47Um, yeah. So, you're in um the Kami Corridor as people are calling it now in Brooklyn or Yeah, it's become like the real center of anti-ionist terrorism these days. No, no one would have expected that a few years ago.
96:05>> Yeah, we're going to get into it. Uh, I'd be cautious personally about extrapolating too much from votes in the commie corridor. I don't think where I am in Brooklyn represents the majority of the country. Uh, although it does on the issue of Israel, I think at least according Democratic polls on that issue, I think actually the commor speaks for the country. So, and that explains why there is a freakout going on now inside the Democratic party establishment. But, you know, I want to be cautious, especially after 2020 when Bernie, contrary to many people's expectations, including myself, he got
96:38creamed by Joe Biden, um that we not extrapolate too much or or we'd be cautious about extrapolating too much from the results in a leftist enclave like New York City. But at the same time, it's really significant. But before we get into it, I just think we should update people if you're watching live.
96:53>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
96:54>> What's happening? Um, if you're if you're feeling optimistic about the prospects of peace in the aftermath of this uh memorandum of understanding between the Trump administration and Iran, it's not a good afternoon. So, you had, and you talked about this earlier, the signing of this agreement between the Lebanese government and Israel in Washington, and Netanyahu immediately announced the Israeli army is not leaving southern Lebanon. And if that's the case, that's a new threat to the a broader peace deal between Iran and the US because Iran has made an Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon a a red line. So
97:30there's that. And then on top of that, shortly afterwards, the US bombed Iran, claiming that that its retaliation for what they allege was an Iranian strike on a vessel passing in the street of Hermuz on Thursday. And so the US now sent Sentcom now says they've hit missile and drone sites inside of Iran.
97:49So at a time when there's supposed to be negotiations towards a final peace deal, you have the Trump administration bombing Iran. And they claim it's about Iran striking a ship in the street of Formuz. And I don't even know if that's true if it was Iran that did do that.
98:05Although I wouldn't be surprised if it was given that they're, you know, uh, taking control of the ships passing there and they're encouraging people to use authorized, uh, uh, routes, but Lebanon is really hanging over is is is hanging over all this because, you know, one of the reasons Iran is so intent on exerting control over the city of Hormos is to use its leverage to ensure an Israeli withdrawal from from Lebanon, which took a step backwards today with the signing of disagreement between the Lebanese government and Israel and Netanyahu saying that he's not going to withdraw.
98:40>> So, the US just bombed Iran.
98:43>> Yeah. [snorts] >> Hours ago. Looks like they've struck drone sites in the south because Iran has been keeping the straight of Hormuz closed because Israel will not allow Lebanon to be at peace and continues to massacre people in South Lebanon and not not allow them to return home. what you saw in Wyatt's piece that we excerpted earlier, that's why the Straight of Hormuz has been closed and the US is now bombing. It's not going to work. It's not going to open up the Straight of Hormuz, but we can see theou unre beginning to unravel under Israeli pressure. It wouldn't It didn't take a whole lot, did it? I mean, they have so
99:24much leverage over Trump and he's not willing to stand up to them in the way that is necessary.
99:31>> Yeah. And Trump let JD Vance be performative, you know, say some harsh words to the government, but so far it's just been words. There was an order handed down among uh to the Israeli military to hold back in southern Lebanon, and from what I've heard from people there, things have calmed down a little more since the MOU. But still, >> it's mostly just word so far from the Trump administration. It's JD Vance getting to go around, make the rounds, go on podcasts, go before the media. you know, wag his finger at the Israeli government, but so far not enough to derail a a peace agreement as we're
100:08seeing today with the US now bombing Iran.
100:12[snorts] >> No. And Marco Rubio nowhere to be seen, but you can imagine he's hoping this doesn't work >> for a lot of reasons.
100:23>> I mean, he was there today at the signing cere today. this deal between the very pliant Lebanese government and the Israeli government. He was right there behind them. Uh uh he loves this and he's hoping to use this agreement to basically sideline Iran's role. And the Lebanese government's going along with it because, you know, one of the reasons they're they're in these talks is to sideline Iran for being able to force an Israeli withdrawal.
100:48>> Yep. Yep.
100:49>> It's really striking.
100:51>> Yep. It's basically giving Israel the green light to remain in the south as Wyatt said. And here's Marco Rubio at the center, the creation of the Israel lobby of Paul Singer and Miriam adds money, hailing this deal. And this is the real concrete deal that's aimed straight at theou that JD Vance has been selling.
101:13And Trump's in the middle of it. And you know what is Trump doing? He's barking threats at Iran. I mean, and Is Trump even mentally coherent?
101:25Not really. Uh, he's more focused on um arresting people near the reflecting pool who he blames for a failed renovation, which is sort of a perfect symbol for where he's taken MAGA. So, I don't know. Well, this the the the Israelis have been in a full meltdown since Trump signed theou and it's kind of like a perfect analog for what's been taking place in New York. Uh with the meltdown of Zionists focused on a handful of DSA back candidates winning. Here's the former spokesman, a former spokesman, the former Persian spokesman for the IDF, the Israeli Army, declaring, "Maybe USA needs another Pearl Harbor on 9/11 to
102:16remember who is the enemy and who is the friend." uh quote tweeting Jason Broaddsky Israel lobbyist Israeli cutout uh from the what is it campaign against a nuclear Iran um who's declaring that the US will regret to acquiescing to Iranian demands to include Lebanon in thisou this linkage is one of the biggest mistakes um >> which is such a funny talking point because this these are the same people who launched this who supported this war on Iran based on the premise that Iran has to accept the linkage between its sovereignty and it giving up support for its allies like Lebanon. So in waging a regime change war in Iran, you're
102:59allowed to make the linkage of saying, "Hey, we're going to destroy your country unless you stop supporting groups like Hezbollah."
103:05>> Yeah.
103:05>> But when the regime change war loses and Iran says, "Hey, as part of a peace agreement, you have to stop uh uh enabling the Israeli attack on southern Lebanon uh where Hezbollah is. In fact, in fact, all of Lebanon where Hezbollah is. All of a sudden they reject linkage.
103:19So linkage is fine for regime change.
103:21But when regime change fails and Iran has to and is now in position to impose its terms uh to have peace, all of a sudden linkage is rejected.
103:31>> Yeah. Which just confirms the analysis of Iran's leadership after the 12-day war. Um a speech just leaked in Iran of Ali Larjani, the late former parliamentary speaker who was assassinated by Israel in the current in the in the last assault on Iran in which he basically made the case that international institutions are controlled by the US and Israel. No one at the security council stood up for Iran being stood up against Iran being assaulted without provocation. the IAEA did not stand up and you know Raphael GCI said nothing about Iran's nuclear sites being attacked and so the this only left hard power as a deterrent and
104:18that Iran had to have prepared itself for another major war and in order to be able to defend its very sovereignty. And so that's where we are once again now with the US being the arbiter of anou involving Israel in Lebanon. Of course the US isn't going to enforce the terms there. Of course. And none of the international institutions where the US exerts control will be capable of doing so either. So, it only looks like, as I've seen some Israeli commentators predict, that uh the US just needed to sequence out the next phase with a 60-day pause and then they'll just return to business as usual, which is
105:00regime change. Uh, and the latest agreement, this agreement between Lebanon and Israel, signals that that's on the way.
105:09But, you know, there's still been this really unbelievable meltdown just to have this pause in the war. Uh Mark Levvin is over in Israel. He's basically been taken there in order to work on Trump and to un, you know, to undermine theou.
105:27He's on like kind of a propaganda junket by a foreign country to undermine the initiative of a US president. this Fox News host who's sort of one of Netanyahu's main voices in the US and he's saying everywhere I'm going in Israel the public here is very concerned and baffled by what's transpiring lots of people coming up to me about it but I've been receiving the same reaction in our country and he's quote tweeting Hugh Hwitt who's actually a host on Salem media which is run by an Israeli foreign agent but you know everyone in Israel is so up in arms because peace could break out they're afraid that there won't be a war
106:04says Mark Levin in they're terrified.
106:07>> And why should anybody in his country care about what Israelis are telling them?
106:12>> Like, >> yeah, >> what does that matter to the average American? What an Israeli is concerned about?
106:18>> It's this weird identification with uh a foreign apartheid state that most Americans don't share and in fact explicitly reject if you look at polls.
106:26>> Yeah. It would be like um you know everyone's coming up to me in um I don't know Bosnia to comment on this international initiative of the US.
106:37I mean it's like that's a small tiny country. Why would anyone care? But Israel's different. It's not a state.
106:46It's something else. And Mark Levvin is representing it and representing a the the the dominant power mafia in that entity. Uh, channel 14 in Israel, which is the pro- Netanyahu propaganda channel, featured the mentalist Uri Geller, who claims an ability to bend spoons. Have you ever come across him before?
107:10>> Ori Geller, or have you ever seen anyone bend a spoon with their mind?
107:14>> I only know him as being like a one-time confidant of Michael Jackson uh back when >> Schmilly Boutique was also, you know, getting in there. That's what I remember Geller from.
107:26>> Yeah. Yeah. They all kind of wind up in the same place. Yeah.
107:29>> We claimed that he could bend spoons. He apparently couldn't bend Kuramshar missiles off their course. And so Israel kind of lost this joint assault on Iran with the US. And so now Urri Geller is on channel 14 declaring that advanced Iranian technology which affects human brain function may have been used against the president to make him sign theou.
107:53Um that's kind of like the level of analysis that you're getting in the pro Netanyahu media space in Israel about Iran.
108:05uh as if if Trump were to enforce this enforce an Israeli pullback from Lebanon, you could imagine uh I don't know the concept of a new Pearl Harbor or 9/11 uh moving more towards a planning stage.
108:18I mean, just if you if you consider the levels of hysteria in Israel over the possibility of the US having normal relations with Iran, it would just just defeat the entire life purpose of Netanyahu and the military intelligence establishment of Israel.
108:36>> It's unacceptable.
108:37>> Yeah.
108:40Um here's Marco Rubio who um is signaling where the you know he wants to take things. JD Vance is giving interviews on Air Force 2 to Sorab Amari uh the reformed former neocon who's now against regime change war uh from unheard and this is what Marco Rubio is is saying it's sort of like the the classic neocon rhetoric >> you still believe that language app you used to call them religious the theocratic lunatics you still believe that language applies to the leadership today It's not that I believe it, it's the fact of the matter. I mean, the the the Iranian system is led by clerics, radical clerics. Um, that's what it's
109:31always been led by and that's what it continues to be led by. That said, um, we also have to manage the geopolitics of the situation. And there's an oper if there if they've changed their mindset or if they've changed their approach to their relations with the United States and their neighbors, then we're going to give this thing a chance to work. Maybe this changed. I I'm not saying it has.
109:48I'm saying the president wants to explore whether that's the case. And if it has, we're going to find out. But we're not gonna find out because of what they say. We're gonna find out because of what they do.
109:58>> So they're lunatics led by clerics. He's in Bahrain, by the way, where the fifth fleet Navy base of the United States had been basically wrecked in the war that Rubio supported. The damage is far worse than was officially acknowledged. And they're ruled by the hated Alhalifa family, a monarchy. Um, I don't know. I guess that's better than being uh a republic which is guided by clerics who are he calls lunatics. But >> they failed to achieve regime change in Iran. So now they're thinking is all right, we failed there, but then we can't have another defeat in Lebanon.
110:36Like we can't continue to tolerate the existence of Hezbollah. So, they're going to go all in on the strategy of trying I don't know how I mean supporting Israel as it attacks Lebanon, but it's Israel's shown that it can't fight Hezbollah on the ground. They take heavy casualties every time. Uh Trump has recently mused about using Syria to attack Hezbollah.
110:59Syria's no position to do that. They're recovering from a decade long dirty war uh that put an al-Qaeda offshoot in power. And even though the Syrian government might want to settle an old score with has with Hezbollah because Hezbollah intervened against the al-Qaeda dominated insurgency, they can't. There the Syrian government is no position to. And that's partly because after regime change worked in Syria, Israel, because it wants to keep all of its neighbors weak, destroyed much of the Syrian military. So, Israel didn't do that that goal any favor by like wiping out the force that Trump now
111:33wants to use as a proxy against Hezbollah. So, but because they just can't accept Hezbollah's presence inside Lebanon, Mike Waltz recently called Hezbollah a cancer. You're talking about like I don't know a strong segment of the population. I don't know what percentage supports Hezbollah, but it's like it's a very strong number. you're basically talking about not accepting a major element of a country's society. And so it's just a recipe of perpetual conflict. And Iran has shown, especially because they defeated this regime change war, they're not going to sell out Hezbollah, especially because Hezbollah is integral
112:08to Iran's self-defense because Iran doesn't have nukes. So they're going to take out, I think, their frustrations in failing to overthrow Iran on Lebanon.
112:17And that's going to prevent any chance of a peace deal between the US and Iran.
112:21And I don't think I mean I've never thought Trump was going to go back to a regime change war against Tyrron, but now I think it will shift to uh to Lebanon and that could then fuel continued sporadic clashes as we're seeing today with the US bombing Iran.
112:38>> Yep. So it's sort of a frozen conflict which is the >> what I chose as the theme or title of this live stream. Um and the con conflict or the the conflict will grow in this country between larger and larger segments of the US population and their political leadership who are Zionist stalwarts.
113:05And I do I do think what we saw in New York, while it's not necessarily a national trend, is a reflection of or a preview of what's to come because you have younger, more highly educated, politically educated voters.
113:23Um, many of them the kind of people who would, you know, show up at Grreyzone Day in Rutherford, New Jersey. um others, you know, you know, many others who joined the DSA and so forth in order to kind of organize and stage a semi-hostile takeover of the Democratic Party. Uh you know, scoring victories in which Israel is emerged as a major issue. Uh we never seen this before, including in a place like New York. And it needs to be said that the candidates that the that mom Donnie and the DSA backed, they didn't just rely entirely on, you know, white gentrifiers and grad students. They were, you know,
114:06competing in heavily black and Latino districts, which are gentrifying, but they, most of them, these candidates won a majority of black voters and came close to winning a majority of Latino voters in the Bronx to defeat uh the chair of the H House Democratic Hispanic Caucus. So there there were there there was like a larger discrediting of the Democratic party and the kind of brown and black puppets that they put up for office. Uh Hakee Jeff is definitely imperiled here.
114:45These candidates who are backed by Apac and we saw Dan Goldman go down by 30 points to Brad Lander. Dan Goldman being the heir to the Levi Strauss fortune who was so progressive. He was as progressive as AOC except for Palestine where he was a genocidal fascist. And that's what he was punished for by Brad Lander who shifted from liberal Zionist to kind of non-zionist or even quasi anti-ionist in order to cater to the sensibilities the emerging sensibilities of the younger base of the Democratic party in a kind of urban metropole like New York. So this is kind of terrifying for Apac. It should be, but it's not
115:27terrifying for Jews. It shouldn't. and and that's the way it's been framed in this Zionist freakout we'll address. But Erin, what what's your take on what just took place in your city?
115:41>> Well, it's really exciting. And you know, Brad Lander in Brad Lander in fairness, he calls himself a progressive Zionist, but at the same time, what what sets him apart is that he does support blocking weapons to Israel, unlike someone like Dan Goldman. And >> unlike J Street >> and unlike J Street as well and it is significant a few years ago the idea that Dan Goldman who was like an MSNBC superstar remember he came uh into public attention because he was the Democrat's lawyer in the first impeachment of Donald Trump when they targeted him for freezing weapons to Ukraine while pressuring its government
116:14to help him out with their political with his political vendettas. So Dan Goldman was like an MSNBC superstar because he, you know, led that first impeachment drive and he campaigned on that and no one cared because that era is over because since then people have seen a live stream genocide that Dan Goldman supported and he got crushed for that including you know among Jewish voters. So um and then the other two candidates who won uh Claire Valdez and uh her last name is Shioalier. Oh yeah, Daria Eliza.
116:48Yeah, they're a lot more radical. I mean, and and by the way, on the issue of Ukraine, they've both essentially criticized the US proxy war strategy and have called for diplomacy. And if they can hold that position for longer than 24 hours after being sworn in, then they'll surpass the congressional progressives who withdrew their pro diplomacy letter just after a little bit of a freakout from neocons back in 2022. I mean the and especially Shiovalier has been really attacked now uh because she holds some really I think you can call what's considered radical views. She's unapologetically anti-imperialist and she'll face a lot
117:22of pressure. I think she's going to be like the new Ilhan Omar in terms of like the subject of a lot of bigotry from the MAGA Fox News crowd. Um, yeah. So, their victory, it's, you know, it's it's really it's really exciting and, uh, I also think it's it does reflect the huge popularity of Zoramani. I mean, he got a lot of people out to vote. And if he's not the mayor, I don't think these victories happen. I I think that's pretty clear. And does that have national implications? I think there's a limit on that. But certainly the fact that all these candidates were against Apac, I do think that moved the needle
118:01and they got people really excited and they're all very I think articulate speakers and they'll be good with the message of you know like investing in our babies at home, not B like not bombs abroad. I mean it's a it's a catchy message and it repeals a lot of people especially after what they've seen unfold in Gaza and the rest of the Middle East region over these last several years. So, it's an exciting time.
118:28>> The Republicans are going to go nuts with this, or they already are, to try to say paint these as the faces of the Democratic party. Um, I don't know if that's going to work. And this is the this is the rhetoric we're starting to hear. This is um Bruce Blakeman, who's a Republican gubernatorial candidate who will probably lose in New York on Brad Lander, who is Jewish. Bradlander. He's a disgrace. He's anti-American. He's anti-Semitic, even though he's Jewish.
119:00This guy would be a camp guard in a concentration camp if he could. He's a disaster. He's terrible.
119:07Uh very articulate. He's on Newsmax, which uh is essentially a foreign agent for Israel, which is funded by the Israeli Foreign Ministry. And you know, new Zionist rule, uh, Mike Huckabe is a better Jew than Brad Lander because he loyally serves the foreign apartheid state of quote unquote Israel.
119:30That's the logic being put forward.
119:31These are the unhinged attacks we're seeing and hearing. uh Sean Hannity, who is, you know, one of the obviously key Trump propagandists who you would think would hate Dan Goldman because Dan Goldman was the prosecutor of uh of Trump on uh what on Russia gate. I mean >> on Trump's first impeachment >> Trump's first impeachment around around Ukraine and refusing to provide offensive weapons and so on. So Dan Goldman was one of the, you know, targets of Sean Hannity and Sean Hannity's on the verge of tears over Dan Goldman losing.
120:12>> Right. This is a Fox News alert.
120:13Incumbent Congressman Dan Goldman who was just banned from a New York City coffee shop because of his support for Israel. He is now lost his primary to a radical socialist backed by Mumani. It appears that, you know, a pretty scaryformation is now fully underway in the Democratic party, especially in a blue state like New York.
120:37>> So, if you missed that, he said this is a scary transformation in the Democratic party. So, yes, Sean Hannity, one of Trump's biggest cheerleaders on Fox News, he's scared that the guy who prosecuted Trump in the first impeachment has lost. I mean, that does speak to how lame the resistance 1.0 was. the fact that Sean Hannity is upset that like one of the like chief leaders of the resistance has lost because it because it underscores that people like Dan Goldman weren't actually a threat to Trump because they channeled the Democratic party into things like standing up to him because he froze
121:11weapons to Ukraine. And on top of that being like a neocon project, it also was like like voters didn't care. In fact, Trump ended that first impeachment with the highest ratings of his presidency.
121:22But they are scared of people like Zora Mamdani because Zoromani is talking about uh meeting workers actual needs.
121:29Take you know putting working people first making New York City affordable not the just the domain of rich people and you know investing in communities rather than investing in destroying communities in Palestine. So that's why Sean Hannity is getting choked up and actually being scared by this version of the Democratic party.
121:49>> Yeah. Sean Hannity. I haven't se I I haven't watched him in a long time. He looks like the old Sean Hannity, but he's on the other side of a like a plate glass window and his face is pressed up against the plate glass. It's like how long is Sean Hannity just going to hold that chair? This is uh you know one of the the the token Republican Trump supporter on CNN, Scott Jennings, who also happens to be on Salem Media, which is again run by and distributed by an Israeli foreign agent, a registered foreign agent for Israel. Jennings has been on the propaganda junkets to Israel along with his counterpart at CNN, Van
122:31Jones. And here he is on what's happening right now in New York City.
122:34I'm surprised you sort of glossed over the main issue in this race, which is Israel. I mean, Dan Goldman is a congressman and he's Jewish and he went into a coffee shop this weekend in Brooklyn and they said, "You're not welcome here anymore." Brad Lander is out speaking in mosques telling uh uh those people that he'd like to go align himself with Ilhan Omar and the rest of the squad. Dan Goldman's only sin, I guess, is that he thinks Israel has a right to exist. And for that, he's that that has been the principal issue in this. And you've got the mayor of New York City, Mom Donnie, out saying about
123:06Apac and Jewish Americans who have participated in our politics that they are quote monsters.
123:13>> Happening right now in New York City, the Democrat socialist takeover of the Democratic Party should frighten not just Jewish Americans, but all Americans everywhere because this is the direction the Democrats are headed nationally.
123:23Look what's happening in Michigan. And it is frightening. Throwing Democrat Jewish congressman out of coffee shops in Brooklyn, New York. It's not 1930s Germany. This is the United States of America. I'm surprised you sort [laughter] of >> it's not >> uh like notice how he referred to the people that Dan Goldman's speaking to in mosque. He's because those people, right? He's talking about Muslims, right? So you can see the bigotry right there. He's like contemptuous of Dan of Brad Lander, sorry, Brad Lander who defeated Dan Goldman uh for speaking to those people quote unquote in a mosque.
123:54And then he says that Zoramani called Jewish voters monsters. No, he was referring to Apac specifically and other dark money groups that interfere in US politics and, you know, spend tens of millions of dollars to defeat people who oppose genocide as they did to members of both parties, Thomas Massie on the Republican side, as well as Cy Bush and Jamal Bowman on the Democratic side.
124:16It's unbelievable how disingenuous he can be in just a, you know, a very quick soundbite, but falsehoods and just outright bigotry in that. Well, it's and it's it's you know, they they focus group this this these are GOP talking points. They're trying to paint the Democrats as anti-semitic. They've always been trying to do this. And it's not necessarily because they want to win the Jewish vote. The Republicans never do, but they're catering to a donor class, which is coming over to their side increasingly.
124:47and they are presenting a warped vision of the reality that that people experience in New York. Like what if Dan Goldman had not been Jewish but had been denied coffee over his support for the Gaza genocide? They would have denied coffee to anyone who supported the genocide. That's a real issue in large parts of New York City where people just watched the Holocaust of our time unfold in real time and they're furious about it. And the Trump administration just immediately adopted Dan Goldman uh what's her name? uh Harit Dylan, who is the number three official at the DOJ in charge of the quote unquote civil rights division or
125:32basically gutting civil rights, who happens to be uh the law firm representing Show Faith by Works, which is another registered foreign agent for the state of Israel. Like in every case here, there is a connection directly to the Israeli foreign ministry. She uh launched an investigation against that coffee shop on behalf of Dan Goldman as though he were a hate crime victim.
125:56>> Yeah. And by the way, he wasn't even denied service. He bought coffee in the coffee shop. And then the coffee shop put out a post later on saying, "Hey, Dan Goldman, uh, your money is no good here." And they and we're giving you a refund because we don't want money that's um blood soaked that support genocide. So, he wasn't even denied service. And it's pretty brilliant. I mean, look, there's so much of Brad Lander Brad Lander's position on Israel.
126:19You can criticize. I mean, again, he calls himself a a progressive Zionist, which is a contradiction uh in itself, but it's pretty brilliant to run a Jewish guy against Dan Goldman because you can see this desperate attempt to use Dan Goldman being Jewish as the reason why he lost and but, you know, he was defeated by another Jewish guy and defeated with the votes of a lot of Jewish voters uh in Park Slope, you know, and and other heavily Jewish areas. So strategically, it was pretty smart of Zoramani to um to get behind this. And yeah, um you know, I haven't seen Dan Goldman come out and forcefully
126:57reject this like, you know, all these Republicans using his case to attack the Democrats. I mean I mean maybe I missed it, but Dan Goldman seems fine so far to be used as like the poster child of so of quote unquote anti-semitism.
127:12>> Yeah. Now, this is a preview of what'll happen when Josh Shapiro is forced to drop out of the primary or Rahm Emanuel, but especially Josh Shapiro. They're just going to play the victim and they're going to be embraced by Republicans and neocons. And, you know, you saw James Carville calling for a schism of the Democrats with Democrats who don't support Israel's quote unquote right to exist. Uh, here's Megan McCain who's just been all over this to to my beautiful Jewish friends in America, we love you. You are not alone. We are just as freaked out as you and see with clear eyes exactly what is happening. What is
127:47happening? Brad Lander, the milk toast tunam progressive Zionist one and it's crystal knocked. [laughter] And uh I guess we're not beautiful according to her. [laughter] Well, this is only to my beautiful Jewish friends. I don't [laughter] just complete hysteria.
128:13Uh she's trying to suggest that, you know, camps are being built. What what what we see exactly what's happening. This is one of the most unhinged responses I've seen. It's that lady Lizzie Sevetsky who's part of the the 7K cartel, paid propagandist for the apartheid state of Israel. Hey NYC, this is war.
128:37Diplomacy is dead. It's time to play dirty. So time for like Meer Kahana tactics.
128:43>> You know, I'm honestly >> sorry to subject you all to this. Um >> this is very undignified for us to play.
128:50I mean, you know, >> relieved by these election results from last night. Let me tell you what I mean.
128:56You know, for so long, I think people have thought we could just continue to pander to plate our way to victory. that everything would just be fine, be nice.
129:07Now, we see that this whole time the wheels have been spinning, spinning their way right into a pro- jihad, socialist, jewhating society. And that's what I'm going home to. Going home to a city where the victory party for a primary in New York City chants free Palestine. Joined by our New York City mayor who then gives a celebratory speech and everyone just acts like normal to be chanting genocidal things about Jewish people. Free Palestine is a genocidal thing.
129:36>> Population of Jews outside of Israel.
129:39>> Yeah, it is time.
129:40>> Very articulate.
129:41>> Gloves off.
129:43>> Look at how many billions of dollars our Jewish legacy organizations have wasted fighting anti-semitism. Look where it's gotten us. Look at New York City. Look at what we have just elected in the Democratic primary. [laughter] Look at these politicians who are just too scared to take a stand. Did it serve them? No. No. Unless you count Brad Lander, who uh is an anti-ionist Jew, I have a message for you, Brad. Uh you know, the self-hating Jews were also gassed at Avitz. Anyway, anyone who has been asleep until now, I hope you're awake because it's war and we need to start fighting dirty.
130:17>> Those billions of dollars that she complains were wasted fighting anti-semitism. She's right about that.
130:22They were wasted. That all that money should be invested in mental health treatment and forced confinement for people like her to get help honestly to deal with this. I'm really tired of talking about like Jewish culture and and because it's so >> played out at this point and you know the only issue like the only context in which I care about anymore is in terms of Palestine but if if they were honest about Jewish life in America what they'd say is wow this is unbelievable like we went from being exter you know the subject of a of an extermination campaign 80 years ago during the Nazi Holocaust to now being incredibly
130:57privileged and accomplished and like Jewish people have had all these achievements and occupy really high status in society are incredibly privileged. This is a huge achievement, but instead it's all about self victimization and doubling down and hatred. It's just um so and again, you know, and you've made this point often.
131:16This is what Israel thrives on. Israel justifies its existence by promoting anti-semitism by m by promoting this belief that Jews are always under threat or else the Israeli state wouldn't have a reason to justify its existence. So Zionism thrives on all this paranoia and self victimization but it's just so tiresome to watch and to be a part of.
131:38>> Yeah. And I mean these are the loudest voices representing the Jewish institutions which have basically banished us anti-ionists.
131:47uh representing, you know, they they they define themselves as the Jews when they're only representing Zionism on social media.
131:55And so people who, you know, are just observers, Gentiles see that and say, "Well, the Jews are they must be really crazy because they're conflating themselves with Israel and owning all of its crimes."
132:06>> Yeah. They they these this this this class of Zionist fanatics and cultists, they're in their own private msada right now inside New York. It's a fortress of lies and they will do everything they can to prevent Jewish life from being normalized in the US. They cannot allow themselves to accept that they live in a golden age with unbridled privilege, unprecedented power, disproportionate power, total protection.
132:42>> Yeah.
132:42>> And that if you know what they get, then if someone says online that they shouldn't have been given a coffee and they get a refund for a coffee, then protests will break out at that coffee shop.
132:52>> That's what they're existing in. If they acknowledge that as a golden age, their identity starts to unravel as Zionists because there's no longer a need for a Jewish sanctuary in a supposed Jewish sanctuary in occupied Palestine that's occupying millions of people and holding them under siege in order to maintain the demographic advantage over the in indigenous people that's in a permanent state of war, an eightfront war with its neighbors and a war in the United States. there's no need for it if you acknowledge that hey things are actually better here there aren't uh you know mass uh suic you know there isn't a as reported a
133:32mass mental health crisis like you have in Israel because so many of them participated in the genocide that they're they've gone even crazier than they already are life isn't that good for Jews in Israel it's much better here but they can't acknowledge it so they have to at least create the illusion of insecurity but to the extent that that illusion fails, as it increasingly is, then they have to take the gloves off and make that illusion a reality. And so when she talks about taking the gloves off, what does that actually mean? It could mean actually just more hoaxes and fabrications in order to perpetuate
134:07anti-semitism.
134:09Um, >> yeah, like is that they haven't already taken off the gloves by like deporting people >> or they're freeing people, getting people fired across the country. I mean, I just did an event in Toronto with a professor, uh, Dr. Sabrina Sadiki, who was fired from her position in Toronto because she called out Jewish supremacy and she supported the right of Palestinians to resist for their freedom. So, she was fired. I mean, you can replicate that over and over and over and over and over. Uh, so now they're talking about taking off the gloves. Like, what more what more could you possibly do? Uh, you you know, look
134:42what they did. They did. They they bought CBS. The Ellison's the pro-Israel Ellison bought CBS News, installed the pro-Israel activist Barry Weiss, who's like, you know, gutted the news organization, shamed it, but they don't care because their cause is Israel.
134:56They're going to do the same thing to CNN, which they re which they're going to acquire because it was approved. Um, you know, it's so I don't know what more they could possibly do. Well, they can definitely do more and as Israel's as Zionism continues to unravel and kind of the credibility gets stripped away like the new coating on the reflecting pool on the National Mall, I think we're going to see them escalate and continue to expose themselves. And you know, my fear is that the violence that they apply in the region with assassinations or turning um household communication devices into exploding
135:36weapons of war uh will start to seep into our own society.
135:41That's my fear. Um and you know, hopefully it won't be realized. Um in many ways it already has.
135:51the effort to paint what happened in New York as the the face of the Democratic party. I mean, that's going to backfire because there's a new Quinnipiac poll out showing that over uh 70% of Democratic voters want to suspend aid or end aid to Israel.
136:16Max. Uh, >> yeah.
136:18>> I'm not sure if it's just me, but I'm having having a hard time hearing you.
136:21Um, so maybe something like with your microphone.
136:24>> Check. Check.
136:25>> Okay, it sounds better now. And maybe in the comments, let us know if you heard the same thing or if if it's just me.
136:29But yeah, it sounds fine now.
136:33>> Uh, does it sound better now?
136:35>> Better now. It's good.
136:36>> Okay. Well, there's a new Quinnipic poll showing that a record number of Americans, Democrats and Republicans, oppose aid to Israel and think that the current level of support for Israel is not right and that it should be reduced.
136:50Overall, it's 48% who think it should be reduced. But if you break down the numbers of Democrats, it's just like almost the entire party's voter base wants to suspend or end aid to Israel and military aid. So, uh, in many ways, the candidates that Mom Donni endorsed were given the people what they wanted, and I don't know how they're going to get around this in the Democratic primary except to kind of just emphasize social issues and just avoid this issue.
137:21And so, the, you know, the best thing we can do is kind of force the issue as much as possible.
137:29And, uh, it's not going away.
137:31>> Yeah. and they're going to face the next or one of the next big tests of this will be in Michigan where Abdul al-s is running uh for in the Senate primary and he's it looks like he's going to win and the attacks on him have been unbelievable like one of his opponents is >> Mororrow >> yeah Mcro who recently tried to like link Hassan [ __ ] who's a popular streamer who's been campaigning very you know openly for Abilad she tried to link him to the recent attempted attack on the Temple Israel synagogue in in Michigan which actually in real had nothing to do of course with Hassan [ __ ] that was by a Lebanese man who
138:10lost family in Lebanon to Israel.
138:12>> Yeah.
138:13>> And so uh but so Abdul Assad's opponent McMorro the state senator tried to somehow link his campaign to that attack and because uh you know on totally fake ground. So they're getting desperate and if he wins that will be another huge huge blow because you know Michigan is a much more u pivotal state in a national election than than New York. So that's really that really will just reinforce that that what you're seeing in New York is is not just confined to like leftist traditionally like leftist enclaves uh but has broader implications as well.
138:52>> Yeah. And then there's the other candidate um the one who said she Israel comes to her in her dreams who's endorsed by Schumer.
138:59>> Yeah.
139:01>> Yeah. And then should we talk about Schumer? Like what is this? What does this result in New York say for Schumer?
139:07New York just rejected Apac.
139:09>> Yep.
139:11>> And Chuck Schumer is the leader of the uh Senate caucus for Democrats and his own home base, his own city just rejected his entire agenda. his agenda which he said is his job is to ensure aid to Israel. Uh he recently marched in that hate rally by the Jewlx clan in New York City for Israel day.
139:30>> Yep.
139:31>> Along >> alongside bezel smot.
139:33>> Bezel smot. Yeah. Can is Chuck Schumer tenable in that position. Uh he's got to be feeling the heat even more now in the aftermath of these uh victories of the sweep by by Mom Donnie. And you got to say, you know, look, M Donnie could have come into office and just sat on his laurels and like rode the wave of being mayor and focused on just his own agenda, which, you know, he he took a step forward with today because he he pushed through a rent freeze for 1 million people. He could have just focused on that, but he didn't. He challenged incumbents, which, you know, there's an unwritten role, which you're not
140:05supposed to do, and he won. Um, so I think you have to credit it for that.
140:10And some people say he should have gone bolder with with more challenges, but whatever. I mean, three victories is pretty impressive and it sends a pretty big message, especially to the people who need to hear it, which is Hakee Jeff, who's also from New York.
140:21>> Apac Shakur.
140:23>> Apac Shakur [laughter] and Chuck Schumer.
140:25>> Yeah, this is just in closing. This is Chuck Schumer's chosen the candidate that Chuck Schumer has chosen to endorse in Michigan, who by the way is not Jewish, just for the record. and in the United States Congress.
140:41I will continue to fight for the people of Israel. I will continue to fight for Israel's existence.
140:50Israel comes to me in my dreams. I see Israel's future. And I know that Israel will continue to exist.
141:02[gasps] >> Uh yes.
141:04I I I I kind of like don't want her to go away though because she's so entertaining unintentionally.
141:11And then there's the other lady, Mallerie McMorro, who like hired some like black marching band so that she could enter and she tried she like impersonated Kamla's performance. She's kind of in in in second in Michigan. But these are just such bizarre figures.
141:29They're such poor retail politicians.
141:32They're so unappealing. They're bizarre.
141:35Uh they're corny. They're cringe-worthy.
141:37And those are who the Democratic Party leadership has chosen to support and throw their money behind. Uh it's really the worst party in human history as far as just pure retail politics. And [laughter] I mean, look at the candidates they've put up in the last two presidential campaigns. Hillary or last few.
141:59>> Yeah. Amala who was always on some strange like happy pills, Joe Biden who was demented and then Hillary Clinton who was just one of the most unlikable war criminals and [laughter] that that's the best they can do. So it's this is all like kind of inevitable and I think mom Donnie just kind of has his finger on the pulse and understood that you know and there were clearly focus groups. He knew these candidates were going to win. I think the only one that was maybe on the fence was uh Shiovalier when she managed to ek out a win.
142:32>> Shave Shiovalier who once tweeted, "F Kamla Harris."
142:37>> Yeah, that's like a that's like a campaign ad >> and they tried to use that against her, but it ended up, you know, it certainly didn't cost her the election because uh because she won. And um it's pretty amazing that he I mean you got to admire that like he chose to go he could have gone with someone I think quoteunquote safer but he chose someone who recently said f Kala Harris and um >> this is a poster by one of her opponents but this it looks like an ad for her like this is what we want. This is what people want. I don't really know her like or I I I it's not like I've you know >> I find that impressive uh from
143:14everything I've seen. Um you know like one of the guys on Pod Save America tried to make an issue. He's like she went to an anti-Israel rally on October 8th. Like can you imagine that >> I can I can pull that up.
143:27>> Okay. Yeah. I mean she seems very principled to me. She also has said things about the Ukraine proxy war that are totally reasonable, but you're not allowed to say in the Democratic party, but simply just talking about the US role in provoking Russia. Anyway, so here's Yeah, here's John Favro of Pods Save America. Let's talk a bit of this.
143:46>> I This is like one of the few podcasts I hate watch to ever win a Democratic primary in our lifetime. There's been a lot of focus on her old tweets uh which she has deleted and mostly apologized for. I'm fine with that. My general position is to give people a chance who want to take back something they said or posted. Certainly would love to take back.
144:06>> You think all talk like that? It's like this certain corporate delivery they all have.
144:11>> Things that I've posted. Here's where I have a problem. She has not apologized for attending an anti-Israel rally on October 8th.
144:20>> October 8, 2023.
144:23>> A rally that was condemned by Zoron Mandani AOC and Brad Lander. The other problem I have, >> all right, that's enough.
144:31>> For an interview with the >> I remember when AOC uh condemned that and then we published uh Jeremy Lefredo at a pro-Israel rally when they were just basically like calling for killing everyone and leveling Gaza and murdering Muslims. And so she posted that. It was like the first time and only time AOC posted a gray zone piece. And she's like, we just need to be against the bigotry on both sides. Okay. But on by October 8th, Israel had already killed 445 people. Like I was in the State Department uh challenging Matthew Miller who was screaming at me because I was saying Israel is going to commit genocide. Are
145:09you ready to support that? And they were like on board.
145:12>> Yeah. Israelis were openly saying they're going to commit a genocide. They were talking about the people of Gaza's animals and talking about depriving them of food and medicine. So >> 2.0.
145:22>> Yeah. And so a rally on October 8th was there to express solidarity with occupied Palestinians and to oppose the coming genocide. So she should be praised actually for going to that rally as you know she also was an organizer at the encampments at Columbia University.
145:35Um and it's amazing she's going to go from being arrested at the encampments the anti-genocide encampments at Colombia and arrested to on the orders of Colombia to now representing Colombia in Congress because Colombia I think is in her district. It's a pretty amazing trajectory and yeah, I mean look for you know this like this clip from John Favro it signifies that yeah people who come from that wing from like the Obama wing they have distinguished themselves by being more critical of Israel than some of their counterparts. But it that clip there shows that you know the their solidarity with Palestine is actually
146:12tested by people put themselves on the line and have been uncompromising in supporting Palestine self-determination.
146:18And by the way, when he says, you know, she should apologize like and it's a, you know, like these guys. I remember you remember when Trump launched his first coup attempt against um Nicholas Maduro and tried to install Juan Guyaido.
146:29>> These positive guys cheered it. Say, "Yeah, like >> like like we don't necessarily like how Trump does things, but we do support like like removing Maduro." So these people have like been on side with Donald Trump as he tries to carry out regime change abroad. So, you know, tend to your own home before before throwing stones at others. You know what I mean?
146:49Like, um, but anyway, this will be interesting and this will be the kind of attacks that that Shabbalier and these other progressive candidates who just won um are going to get going forward from their own party.
147:01>> Yeah. Well, I'm enjoying the meltdown. I don't I don't really know how much of a difference they'll make. I don't believe the Democratic Party is a vehicle for change, but I'm just going to enjoy this moment because there isn't much to enjoy. Uh, I've been on camera for two and a half hours, so I'm going to wrap up here unless there's anything you want to add.
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