0:01Let's get to this Clancy thing.
0:03>> Clance, >> you ready for Clance?
0:04>> Yeah, let's do it, dude.
0:06>> All right, >> let's do it.
0:09>> This was something that a month ago people were asking me to talk on a bunch and like I said, I was going to get to it when I got to it. Sometimes when there's like a huge case, I'm really really following it and it's [clears throat] like, "All right, let's go." Other times there might be a lot of other [ __ ] going on, which in this case there has been. And so I've kind of been like, "All right, I'll kind of get to that." In the last couple weeks, I've really dug into that case. And I don't know, it it's really shocking to me how many people don't see the common sense in this.
0:47Lindsay Clancy took one of these. This is an exercise band. All right. I have a This is a harder one to pull, right? This is a I think blue. What's blue deep? That's like a little less, right?
1:00>> Yeah. I mean, it depends on your brand.
1:03>> Yeah, it depends. Depends. But And that green is usually like pretty light to pull. Doesn't matter how hard it is to pull. She took one of these things when her husband went out to pick up medication for one of her kids on errands that she sent him on.
1:18And I believe geot tracked his location to see where he was.
1:22She took these and choked out her three kids. How old was the oldest kid, De?
1:28Let's start the oldest. One of them was like an infant.
1:32>> He was five.
1:33>> Yeah, I think.
1:34>> Yeah, he's about five.
1:34>> Yeah, five.
1:35>> She choked out her three kids and then, you know, she cut herself and threw herself out the window to try to off herself and was unsuccessful.
1:45and her husband comes home and finds her and the court because this this has obviously been a tape trial. It's a state trial, so it's it's taped on TV.
2:00But when they went to play the 911 call in court, they turned the the public cameras off so the public couldn't hear it.
2:11[clears throat] Now, my friend Brian Enton did talk to someone who was in the courtroom who heard it. So, I'm going to play that in a minute so you can get the reaction. But I I want to read some of this transcript of the call. So, th this is this is Patrick Clancy, Lindseay Clancy's husband, calling 911 when he gets home and initially finds his wife [snorts] on the ground. She ended up being paralyzed from the waist down with severe injuries. And I'm going to skip the whole first half cuz the whole first half he comes home and he just finds her and he calls 911 and he is trying to attend to her and
2:50he's following directions from the dispatcher. They're telling him not to move her, check her eyes. He's like, "Lindsay, will you open your eyes?" yada yada keeps going on. He's clearly worried about his wife because I I do have to say this is a guy who has been villainized by some people in in in the media, which that's just crazy to me.
3:11But, you know, no, no one's perfect. I'm not saying like they had a perfect marriage or anything like that or there weren't some things maybe he would have done differently, but like this is a human being who lost his three kids tragically cuz his wife [ __ ] killed them. But let's let's get to the second part of this. So, he's saying, "No, Lindsay, wake up. They're coming. Look at me."
3:29sirens. First responders arrive. So, he is still with his wife. He's been talking with 911 this whole time. He has no idea that his kids are are gone effectively. And Patrick goes, "I need you to stay with her to the first responders. I have to go check with my kids." It then says, "Inside the house, you can hear basement footsteps." And then Patrick.
3:54Guys, guys, Kora, Kora, Dawson, those are the names of of his children.
4:00[clears throat] Oh no. Oh no. Wake up.
4:03Then they're screaming and gasping for a tremendous stretch. The dispatcher says, "What's going on? Hello." Patrick yells, "Basement. Basement. Oh my god, I need help in the basement right now."
4:15Dispatcher again. Hello. Hello, Patrick.
4:18Now he's over his first son's body, Dawson. his oldest son. He says, "Dawson, my buddy, my little boy, my buddy." And then he screams out gutturally, "Ah, she killed the kids. Oh my god." Now, can you play the video of Brian Enton talking to one of the women who heard it? because she's going to describe it better than I can. But I I I want people to hear how she described the human guttural calls cuz that that that can't be faked.
4:54>> Ask you about the Patrick Clancy 911 call because when Patrick Clancy arrived at the house, found his wife outside, had jumped from the window, and then found the kids inside, there was this awful 911 call that has not been played publicly. But you have heard the call.
5:09You are one of the few people who has heard the call. What did it sound like?
5:15>> Yeah, I mean as you say that call won't be released. It was the live stream was shut off at that moment. that only people who were inside the core room heard that and it was one of the worst the worst thing I've ever heard was >> the screams coming out of Patrick were just unearly and guttural and unlike anything I've ever heard really. And you know, it's I think it's important to note that you know, the beginning, as you say, that he he went he found Lindsay and he was panicked. You could hear the panic in his voice, but he was still very coherent and he was able to talk to the dispatcher about getting
5:59emergency responders there, he was able to reassure Lindsay. And then when emergency responders arrived, he was heard saying, "I'm just going to go check on the kids." And obviously he had no idea what was what had happened at that point. You could hear him running down the stairs and then just these unearly screams and yeah and then he was unable to speak. He his words were in disccernible until he screamed out she killed the kids. And I mean the whole courtroom was just torn apart by it. You know it was jury jury members were crying. Lindsay's parents were crying. Members of the media, the public. Lindsay herself
6:44hunched over the defense table quietly sobbing. But then when the judge immediately called the recess, the second that stopped playing, he cleared the courtroom and she broke down in loud, uncontrollable sobs. I mean, >> yeah, everybody.
6:58>> That so of guilt.
7:04Okay. So, I'm not a woman. I can't know what postpartum depression is like, nor would I ever claim to. I know it's a very real thing. I've known women that that have that. And I I do not want to in any way take away from the real effects of that and some of the stigma that's been around it before that is people are trying to lift from that.
7:31What I will say is that this case will do all of that if this woman is found not guilty because we are sitting here on Friday evening after a mistrial has been declared. I'll explain the details of that in a minute. But I'm sure the state is going to retry this case at some point, but as of right now, there was no guilty verdict that came through. And also [clears throat] some of the semantics behind that are crazy. We'll we'll get to that in a minute. But if you claim that this woman had a psychosis from postpartum depression, because if we're going to report the facts here, she was put on a bunch of SSRIs and drugs. She had
8:11approached, I believe, a a psychiatrist, a a doctor for help with this. And there were, and this was where some of the hate on her husband was coming in. She had talked to him about help for some things and maybe felt like she didn't get it. Again, nobody's perfect, but if you set the precedent of a woman being able to massacre her children, very planned and coordinated, very planned and coordinated. And you also can't, like she said, she heard a voice in her head that one time and it was telling her what to do. You can't prove that or disprove that. The only person that knows the truth on that is
8:48her. And I'm not so sure I believe her.
8:50But if you acquit her on those grounds, you are setting the precedent that as Nancy Mace put it brilliantly. I in fact I'll read what she said cuz this is better than I could have ever put it.
9:03She said, "If postpartum mental illness becomes a get out of jail free card for murdering your children, then by that logic, anyone diagnosed with it should lose custody of their kids." Do you not see the problem there? And by the way, how about now people talking about like if if we're looking at a world where a 100 years ago women couldn't vote and they had to they had to get that legally passed for them to do that. They had to get equal rights and be able to work in the workforce and have a chance to make money like men do. Like all these things that happened to progress in society. If you now set a precedent like this, you
9:40are also opening up the Pandora's box of then being able to say every stereotype in the book. Well, a woman shouldn't be president cuz she's hormonal and can do all these [ __ ] you know what I mean?
9:51Like men have their problems, too. But you are now putting a moving, not even moving target on that to be able to save some lady, some paralyzed lady who all these people that stand with her, she can't even stand with her. Big air quotes, she can't even stand with him because she's in a [ __ ] wheelchair.
10:11You know, it's it's just a dangerous dangerous precedent to set. But something is really broken in society.
10:19As I said a week or two ago when I made one quick comment on this case, when you had that woman who went into a fire and saved like five or six of her children, 90% of her body burned, her GoFundMe raised like 40 grand.
10:33>> Lindsay's raised at that time like 1.2 million.
10:37>> Yeah. like something is broken and backwards in a segment of society when that is the case. I really wonder all these women wearing pink in the court and showing up with all the signs outside like you know how's your marriage at home? How's your life? How are your kids? Do you have kids? Like who are you?
10:58And if there's people out there listening right now who I'm offending, so be it. Like this is just so [ __ ] simple for me. I remember when I was a really little kid, there was a case this woman, Andrea Yates.
11:12She drowned five of her kids in a bathtub. She was found guilty, sentenced to life in prison. 5 years later, the guilty verdict, I I would guess somewhat quietly because there was a lot less fanfare on it. Got thrown out and she was declared, I guess we can check it, but not guilty by reason of in reason of insanity. and she does luckily remain in a mental in a mental institution to this day.
11:39The issue here is that if this were a man, that's never an excuse. Every serial killer ever has had mental issues and mental problems.
11:49You think these people are like [ __ ] balanced people? You think their brain functions at the same way? You think they weren't doing drugs sometimes? Of course they were. Of course, their brains didn't work right. They still got the [ __ ] chair.
12:04There was a guy in Texas who killed like two of his kids. I I I don't know. Did Did I put that link in there?
12:09>> Timothy Ray Jones have it up.
12:11>> Yeah. All right. Deep's already got it up. Strangled five of his kids. I'm sorry. The jury deliberated for two hours and he got the death penalty.
12:18>> Yeah, it's Texas.
12:20>> Yeah. I'm I'm not even a death penalty guy myself, but like good [ __ ] riddance, you know? And and I think that guy had claimed schizophrenia or something like that. There there was another one there was another one in Texas as well that I saw where he killed two of his kids.
12:36They deliberated for 19 minutes and he had documented bipolar disorder because what happens is and we've all seen these cases. So most of you guys know this, but the defense they constitutionally have to put on defense for the client.
12:50So what they do is they get expert witnesses. So they'll pay expert witnesses like psychiatrists to say, "Is it possible that this type of disorder that I looked up could have been happening? Can you assess her for this?"
12:59Okay. Yes. You think that could happening? Would you be willing to get on a stand and say that? Okay. Yes. All right. Well, let's get you on the stand and say that. That's how it works. So, they made this whole postpartum defense and then spun it up into this whole thing. Clearly, the prosecutors are, you know, [ __ ] a dollar short and a day late. you know, very OJ vibes prosecution wise, like not not the brightest bulbs in the room, but like the the crazy support for her does really bother me. And and by the way, let's even take this a step down below.
13:39If you have so little going on in your life, like so little going on in your life, but somehow the luxury of time, meaning you, I would assume, have a roof over your head and can watch Netflix at night and aren't on the street [ __ ] starving like some other people in this country are. If you have a roof and time and you choose to spend that by going to a courtroom in Massachusetts, in many cases, people traveling from far and wide from across state lines to wear a pink shirt in solidarity and hold up some signs that were written straight out of a [ __ ] George Soros textbook and make that your cause in life.
14:21[snorts] What's that line from Kanye? Find God.
14:24Do something.
14:25>> You played yourself. you played yourself.
14:29Like I I I don't get it. I don't get it. I'm happy to have people try to explain this in the comments if I'm really missing something here, but this is just so black and white to me. She's a [ __ ] who killed her kids. End of story. And let the husband go about living his life. He found a new woman. I believe she's pregnant. you know, he's moving on with his life. I I don't know the guy. Best of luck, dude. I'm really sorry this happened. Like, this is horrible. I I don't even know what you say to someone like that.
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15:51There there's also there's no better example of how ass backwards this is than the jury because what became clear as the deliberations went on this week that led into the mistrial is that it was not so a jury has to reach unanimous >> conclusion all 12 have to agree [clears throat] >> which is an interesting system that that could be a good sidebar because it's like >> it creates you have to create a group think in one direction or another eventually because usually in cases that I mean I think this one should have been pretty cut and dry but like cases that are really cut and dry >> Yeah.
16:29>> sometimes they'll all walk in there and be like guilty not guilty and it's quick but a lot of times you'll at least start with some people are like I don't know.
16:37>> Yeah. 12 angry men.
16:38>> Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. It made a good movie. But you would have thought that this would have been a situation where if the jury were deadlocked 11 to one, meaning one person couldn't agree. It would be because 11 people on the jury believed that she was guilty and one person somehow believed that she was not guilty here, or at least, you know, the the argument is that she's not guilty by reason of insanity.
17:03That's not the case, though. It was actually the other way around. This jury of nine women and three men had 11 people who believed that this woman was not guilty by reason of insanity. I also want to say I mentioned the Andrea Yates case. There was another case I forget her name. 1953 woman kills three of her kids found guilty by reason of insanity. Husband sticks by her stays with her. Believes it. Believes she was insane. Goes to a >> constance. Constance Fischer goes to a mental She goes to a mental hospital.
17:39She's released in the 60s.
17:41>> Oh wow.
17:41>> Apparently better. She then has three more kids with the same husband.
17:46>> Oh wow.
17:47>> Did something just happen? Did we lose something?
17:48>> No. No. I'm just I'm reading it as you're saying, >> right? But did we lose something over here?
17:53>> No. No, we're good.
17:54>> Okay, we're good.
17:54>> Yeah, we're chilling.
17:56>> She goes and has three more kids with the same husband and kills them all.
18:03Now, does that mean every woman out there or every killer out there or someone who's done that is going to end up doing that the same as her? No.
18:11Technically, it doesn't. But certainly an interesting pattern, you know. So, when I see someone like Lindsay Clancy, who I mean, the the eyes, they never lie, Chico. There's nothing in She has some of the biggest irises I've ever seen in my life. I can't even see her pupils. Her irises look like they're straight out of the movie [ __ ] alien.
18:33And that's someone who should never be in society ever.
18:43Back to the jury though. 11 people and we know the one hold out was a man. So, nine women and two men wanted to give this woman effectively maybe another chance at life by declaring her not guilty by reason of insanity and letting the mental system deal with her.
19:06Again, I don't I don't think they would have even paid two minutes of mind if it were a man in that situation, but neither here nor there. So, as the deliberations went on throughout the week, these very weird semantics started to go on where the jury would come back to the judge and say and and give him more and more details that the judge would then have to release to the court about their inability to come to a a conclusion. And at one point, the jury the jury foreman, who clearly was not the hold out, said, "I am so sorry to report or something like that, your honor, but we can't come to a conclusion." And he said it's because
19:46one of the jurors, the lone hold out juror, I forget what the exact language was, Joey Dev, but he was saying like he refuses to follow the legal orders from the judge as it pertains to reasonable doubt. So, what I mean is the jury foreman speaking for the jury was color commentating, not that this hasn't happened before, but they were color commentating the jury room and alienating this juror to the point that the defense attorney for Lindsay Readington kept coming back and asking the judge to, "No, no, send them back. We want a we want a result here." because he's like, "If they can just get this guy, we're gonna be good."
20:33Once it got to the end and the judge was ready to declare a mistrial.
20:38So, that would have been by Thursday night when it was looking like that was going to be the case. Readington goes out publicly. Do we have that video?
20:47It's where I I have lawyer intimidating jury juror.
20:51>> I have it right here.
20:52>> Yeah. So, we're going to pull this one out. So he comes out publicly while the case is in deliberations and starts speaking specifically about this juror and wants them to be identified which like again maybe my lawyers can help me out in the comments here. Not a lawyer obviously here looking at me that that seems a little like jury intimidation. Let's hear it from his words not mine. The juror >> has been identified >> by the note from the court.
21:26>> And there will be an inquiry by the judge tomorrow at 9:00. I don't know what his question is going to be yet.
21:33We'll have an argument about it.
21:35>> I don't think it'll be at the sidebar. I think it'll be in open court, which is my concern that we have our arguments in open court, not at the sidebar.
21:48I I again, maybe my lawyers can fill me in there. That seems a little bit off.
21:53That seems a little bit wrong. And he then was So he was referring to the hearing that was then going to be happening Friday morning, which did happen today. And Readington kept fighting it throughout the day, trying to say, "No, please." He actually asked them at one point, I think you have that video up, de asked the judge to remove the juror. like he wanted to play like fantasy football with the jurors to get a new juror in there so he could get this thing across the finish line which again my understanding is that's not unprecedented that has been asked for before but like it's highly unusual and
22:30pretty overtly like trying to subvert the process right here but this was Readington talking to the judge about this which before you play it Joey D we're going to play another clip in a minute shout out to all my Boston people out there but listening to this Boston lawyer talk with the Boston judge and and it it's like one step below what's your [ __ ] problem? Like they're literally like shitalking. There's another clip we're going to play in a minute. They're shit-talking each other in court in Boston accents. It feels like a [ __ ] reality TV show, but I I'll let you guys hear this.
23:07>> All right.
23:08>> All right.
23:09>> Thank you, honor. I appreciate that. I I appreciate the fact, your honor, that you're allowing us to be heard in public rather than at the sidebar. The juror sidebar, >> the court has an instruction from the four person of that juror that's been working for a week now saying that there's one juror who refuses to listen to the law that you've given him or her on reasonable doubt. And I suggest respectfully that the soft instruction that you gave them saying at the sidebar, can you listen to the law as I instruct you does not focus on the issue? It is the question is not sufficient enough. It does not allow any
23:49foundation for a motion to rem remove the juror who refuses to accept your instructions on the law on reasonable doubt. And if we come back here in a half an hour with a mistrial because of a because of a juror that has just spurned the instructions of this court, it's a shame. It's a real shame. And that's why I object to the court's ruling. I request that we have further inquiry. I request that we my motion is to remove this juror that refuses to listen to your instruction on reasonable doubt.
24:21>> All right. Come on.
24:23>> Okay. Cut that right there because then then it gets to to the prosecutor's talking. Let's before I go to what the judge ended up saying on this, can we play the clip of the two of them going back and forth? So, the lawyer is who, by the way, like [snorts] when I watch a lot lawyers in court, they're always like overly in in I shouldn't say always, in many cases, especially during high octane moments where they know they're going to have to be like kind of yelling at a judge to make their case, their body language will be like more overtly respectful to get up there. Even if they're coming up
24:55aggressive, like you see different styles, but like you'll see people at least like try to put on the hello your honor, thank you for the opportunity and then [ __ ] slam into it. This guy just kind of saunters up there like almost like my cousin Vinnie just like yeah everything that guy just said [ __ ] but in an a in a [ __ ] Boston accent.
25:11So this is him going at the judge who just god love him looks like he is thinking about five o'clock cocktails at Martha's Vineyard and he's going to be [ __ ] late if this trial doesn't get itself figured out. So, I'm sick of [ __ ] listening to this lawyer and just state your case and I'm declaring a mistrial, my friend. But the lawyer comes up and starts asking for this stuff while calling the judge soft only in Boston.
25:38>> Might feel that your honor is kind of coming down on her not to do that. And I think it's too delicate right now a situation. And in addition, and finally, I would ask that you not just give them, as I described it yesterday, a soft inquiry. Will you listen to my instructions? I would ask you to specifically direct their attention to proof beyond a reasonable doubt and reinstruct them on that forcefully.
26:04>> I think I did that yesterday, didn't I?
26:06>> You did it yesterday. You did it soft forcefully. I'm asking maybe what do you want what do you want me to do? Get get a brass band. I read the instruction as written by the SJC. the fact that I perhaps didn't give it my full inflection.
26:23>> I'm sorry about that. I'm not an actor.
26:25>> I'm just giving the instruction.
26:27>> Well, my point, judge, simply is that you're kind of glossing over the issue.
26:33The issue is this juror will not, according to that note, apply the law of reasonable doubt. And that's why I've requested, you know what I've requested back, but just just in case the record is, I am specifically not glossing over this issue. I have thought about this issue long and hard. I know the defendant objects, but the characterization that I'm glossing over it, uh, [clears throat] trust me, that's not the situation. I've been thinking about this, uh, for quite a while. So, that's my that's what I'm going to do. Uh, I'm going to just give that instruction as I said that they have to follow follow my instructions.
27:16I'm not going [clears throat] to >> Well, it's it's just it screams reality TV in a lot of ways.
27:24Now, what happened was the judge went to declare a mistrial around, I want to say like 12:15 p.m. And then when he did, Readington, the defense lawyer, got up and said, "Your honor, I want to file this emergency uh injunction motion, whatever, before the Massachusetts Supreme Court and try to get a stay of your mistrial." And the judge is like, "A what?" Like, this is live. like while it's going on. He just declared it. And I guess to the judge's credit, that's what I assumed.
27:58Again, I don't not totally familiar with these legal processes. I know that's not normal that they do it live in court right there and he wouldn't just do it later and and appeal, but the judge was like, "All right, I'll give you an hour." So, they they bring him back at two. They they actually live streamed the other defense attorney. So, the associate defense attorney went in and did the hearing. Mhm.
28:22>> with the Supreme Court justice in Massachusetts, some separate judge on Zoom, and then the prosecutor was there, and they were arguing back and forth, and they're like, "Listen, we're trying to get to the weekend here. Let's go."
28:36And the justice then ruled on it very quickly. They come back to court and it was denied. I It was officially denied, right? That is what happened.
28:47>> I think so. Because then the main judge, our guy right here, Boston guy, trying to get to the vineyard, he was like, "All right, mistrial." And now it is going to hearings where they're going to get a status hearing within the next two weeks and try to So I'm right and they'll get the status hearing and then try to get, >> you know, figured out when the next trial's going to be. But one of the things the judge did was all this is happening when the jury's not in the room and then he declares them as trial.
29:17Brings him back in the room and you don't see the jury. Obviously that's against the rules to be able to see it.
29:23Obviously the [ __ ] Readington wants everyone to know who this other juror is, which just feels totally illegal to me. But the judge addresses the jury and what he said and we're we're not going to play it because it was like a long kind of rambling. or whatever. But he started off with he's he's like, "I'm a real student of history and I study a lot of World War II." And me and De are looking at this like right before we're coming on air like, "All right, where the [ __ ] is he?" Like Deep's like, "Is he going to say Churchill was the bad guy?" [laughter] >> He started mentioning Churchill. I'm
29:53like, "Oh no, here we go. Strap in, folks."
29:57>> He's [laughter] like, "Here we go."
29:59>> And I don't know what the [ __ ] he meant about Churchill. I never really put the two.
30:03>> Yeah, me neither. It was kind of just like a thing. [laughter] Winston Churchill. Anyway, uh like Okay.
30:10>> Like big fan.
30:11>> You're on.
30:12>> But anyway, what's it? What's it? Uh talk a little Chinese to him, D.
30:16>> Yeah. Yeah. He's trying to do the Don King thing, you know.
30:19>> Trying to do Don King.
30:20>> Speak a little Chinese for him.
30:21>> Speak a little Chinese to him, Derek. If you know, you know. Shout out Nick Mullen. But anyway, so he addresses the jury and he's facing them. Readington's obviously over here sitting back in his chair pissed off, but he kept emphasizing, I want to and and he did it, I don't know, 10 times, 11 times.
30:42>> I want to thank all of you, >> every single one of you, >> and commend you for the job you did. And and I I actually have he's like, I have one more request. if you all wouldn't mind staying back for like an extra 10 minutes, I want to thank each and every one of you individually personally. And I was there a shitty Boston accent, but like that's what he said. And it was, in my opinion, pure spec, but it was a real [ __ ] lean the shoulder in to Readington like, yo, just cuz you're not getting the result from one of these guys doesn't mean he didn't do his job as I think he did did his job correctly under the
31:25Constitution. Your argument is [ __ ] And it it's just the whole thing smells.
31:31And not to put on the tinfoil hat for a minute, but let's stick it on. Joey Def, we're all screaming about this case this week. We were going to lead off the whole show with it.
31:40>> Yeah. And Leon >> and Leon hits.
31:42>> And Leon.
31:43>> And And you got to think, listen, I'm not saying that's what it is, but you got to ask that question.
31:49>> Are they like, "All right, you know the dude in the Truman Show. All right, hit him with the Clancy murder trial now."
31:54>> All right, activate Lindsay, please.
31:56>> MK is like, they say the word and she's like, >> remember that case from 2023 that no one's talked about for 3 years? Make it the thing now. Leon, you're on. Like you have to wonder these things cuz again shout out CNN there were they were like the only major outlet. There were there were some other outlets but the only major one that I saw if other people can find some other major outlets put it up because again it was right before we went on air. But like at least they reported some of it you know. It just Yeah. Yeah. It's sad. It's very sad that we have to ask those questions but we do.
32:34>> Yeah. I just kept imagining the one juror as like he got onto this trial and he's like I'm gonna 12 angry men this [ __ ] and they're so they're like all right you got to get on board with us and he takes out the switchblade stabs it into the table and like hits his hand he [ __ ] it up like I'm still not switching and they're like [ __ ] >> that's right I'm not [ __ ] leaving except he couldn't convince them like the guy in 12 Angry Men he failed >> well he failed on that part but >> they'll get they'll get her in uh in a retrial.
33:05>> Some somebody said on Twitter, I don't know who it was, I saw it very quickly.
33:10I'm sorry I can't give credits on this, but they're like, "I'm really glad that there was one really autistic or no, they said, I really hope he's an autistic guy who just doesn't like get bothered by the outside noise and is just bravely holding on because that might be the only explanation here. This guy's getting attacked from every single angle and won't give in."
33:29>> Yeah. He's just like, >> I was like, I don't care what he is.
33:32shout out for holding your ground on that. And they even said >> they even said with him >> he was he was they even described how he was arguing for it as expressing doubt, not like no, I think she's guilty. So they were trying to say that's not the law. Expressing doubt is not the law.
33:52They have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
33:56It's just I I don't know. It it all smells.
33:58>> He held the line.
34:00>> He held the line. Someone had to do it.
34:03But we talked last week about little sidebar in there about the movie Eyes Wide Shut by Stanley Kubri.
34:13And you're going to see why I'm bringing this up again in a second. But as a refresher for people who didn't see that episode, it's a 1999 movie. It was released in 99, filmed in like 9697. The great Stanley Kubri, legendary director, put it together. He unfortunately died conveniently before it came out. in six days specifically after he showed the cut to the studio executives and when they came out of the theater where they showed it he was screaming this is my movie god damn it you can't take it from me and then you know ends up dead now he was like 71 or something like that it's >> possible for a guy like that to have a
34:48heart attack especially if he's under a lot of stress about his movie but certainly worth noting and the reason it's it's fascinating is because eyes wide shut obviously was a movie way ahead of its time that people did not appreciate artistically or for what it said at the time and it aged better and better over the years. Fortunately, auti fortunately artistically unfortunately realistically.
35:20>> I know you're going to say unfortunately autistically. [laughter] >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let's not put that on the edge of the tongue.
35:28You're killing me.
35:29>> But you know, the reason I say that is because the parallels of what he showed to the things that we are discovering now about the people like Epstein's of the world are [clears throat] you can't ignore them. And that film works around an elite sex cult strongly insinuates child trafficking everywhere among many other, you know, little hidden Easter eggs in there that he put. I mean, you could watch documentaries on this for days breaking down every frame that he did because Kubric was so famously I mean, there was not one detail in one pixel of the screen that this guy did not frame [ __ ] And it was that's why he
36:18was such a master. That's why he had so many legendary films over the years. And this was like his, you know, going to be one of his crowning achievements. And then then he passed away. But one of the big controversies is that because he died and then the film came out [snorts] four months later, people were saying that it was edited and it wasn't really his cut and he was actually going to go farther with some things and they may have changed some things. And that's all very possible. And I still believe that that is probably the case. But I do have to point out what it because we were tagged in it. So it it sounds like it
36:56was it was also a response to what we did. I do have to point out the fact that Stanley Kubrick's daughter, Viven, put out a long tweet about this with a different narrative. Now, before I read this and we go through it, I don't know Vivian personally.
37:13She's from what I've seen online, you know, she's someone who has actually been at the forefront of calling a lot of things out, be it Epstein, surveillance, stuff like that. Like, this is this is a person who is very against a lot of the same things that a lot of you out there are obviously against as well. So, it's actually against the grain for her to maybe say it actually isn't a cover up or something like that, if that makes sense.
37:43I do I should also say again I haven't talked about this with her personally but apparently she and her father towards the end of his life did not have the same relationship. That's how I'll say it.
37:59And you know some of that I think involved the fact that Viven went into Scientology which is interesting because Tom Cruz was the star of this movie as well. It was very much in Scientology, but there were some disagreements on that. And obviously on my show, we have done we actually just put out an episode today on scient of of that stuff at all. And I I think it's an awful cult and the [ __ ] they do to people is disgusting and illegal and they pull a lot of people into it. And obviously there's a lot of people who are held captive in it and I and I don't think are bad people, but they're either
38:37brainwashed or they're locked into it once they did get brainwashed to get into it. And you know, we we've covered that with the Headlies who we just had on obviously were in the >> Seaorg >> in Scientology. They were born into it and, you know, ended up escaping it. They didn't know any other reality and they were brave and and it's that's that's one of the most insane stories I've ever done. That was actually we we put out the last four hours today, episode 471, and we had put out the first three hours a couple months ago, which I told him when we recorded it, we kind of spread it out because it's it's an amazing
39:15story. But yeah, we were recording for about seven hours with them and it was a Saturday. We recorded at like 1:00.
39:21>> Yep.
39:22>> And at when we were six hours in, I was looking at DEF [clears throat] again. [snorts] And it was at this point past 7:00 on a Saturday. And it was the first time I've done a lot of long recordings over the years. I've done a lot of six 6 and 1 half sometimes 7 hour stuff where I know it's going to be two episodes. I have never been sitting in a recording where I'm legitimately tracking it and going, "Okay, I need to make a decision. Is this going to be two or three?" Because when we were coming into that last hour, like when I'm doing a podcast, I can always chart out in my head, like patternize things within
39:55about 354 minutes, especially when it's someone's story as to what the length of this is going to be with the details that I really want want to let them be able to dig into. I don't know. Like, it's just been a weird feel that I've had really since the beginning of doing this. And that was the first time where I had had it charted out during the first three hours where I'm like, "Okay, yeah, this is this is going to go six and a half, seven." But when we got to six, I was like, "Okay, it' been a long day, but I'm like, I could either do like the next 4hour version of their story or I could just
40:33touch the surfaces of the important parts and get another one hour." And I was looking at Deaf and I'm like, "Fuck, I don't want him getting knocked out at the board." But he was telling me after, he's like, "I would have been a [ __ ] in for it." [laughter] You You were locked on that. It was fun.
40:46But they were awesome. They were awesome. But when you hear stories like that, and I've heard a lot of stories about that. I've had Jenna Muscavage, the niece of David Muscavage, the leader of Scientology on the podcast. But when you hear all those things over the years and you see the details of this and and what they do, it is impossible in my opinion to not feel the way I feel. I' I've even had, you know, helped out my friend Tommy G be able to go down there and do an investigation on it and, you know, he started really looking into it and then some other creators got into it and it's like can't even believe this is
41:15real. But it's a lot of dark stuff there. So, I do have to put that asterisk on this. Again, I've never talked with Vivian. Wish her all the best, but let's read her response and then we can talk about it. But this is from Vivian Kubrick and I believe it's going to be two tweets, Steve. I think she replied to it if I remember correctly. So, she headlines this Eyes Wide Shut the Missing 20 minutes. You know, this is a good this is as good a time as any to finally address the missing 20 minutes from Eyes Wide Shut.
41:45It's a story that has been circulating for many years. So, let me tell you what I actually know and don't know. For context, my father always had his outtakes incinerated once a film was finished. My kind of guy. specifically to prevent the studio from later re-editing his work or creating alternative versions. There were flies on this [ __ ] They were paying penthouse rent.
42:07>> Yeah, I respect that.
42:08>> There has been a lot of speculation that some 20 minutes were removed from Eyes Wide Shut after he died. This will be very disappointing to many people, but I certainly did not hear anything about a missing 20 minutes at the time, nor have I heard anything since that would confirm such a section ever existed. I guess you could stop reading right there, but if you're interested in the details, please read on. Now, I I also should add this context. It's not like Vivian Kubri was not heavily involved in her in her father's work while they did have a relationship. She wrote the score. She did the score to Full Metal
42:43Jacket, Stanley Kubrick's 1987 movie.
42:46So, she, you know, she was a talent in her own right and worked >> and making of The Shining documentary.
42:51>> That's right. And worked with her father. She had Wasn't she in The Shining, too? Didn't she have a big cameo?
42:56>> That >> I might have made that up, but like spent a lot of time around her father.
43:00So, she did. I'm not saying obviously she spent time with him on this particular edit, but she knew his process very well. And I'll keep reading while while DeF is doing that.
43:09Of course, she said I was not in a position to know everything that may have happened before or immediately after my father's death. At the time, I was living in Los Angeles writing the score for a different movie. I flew to England where he was from. What? not from that's where he lived since 1961 because he got out of Hollywood. Kind of interesting. Utterly traumatized to be there for the preparations for my father's funeral and burial. But I had to return to LA the day after his burial, stricken with grief and exhaustion to complete the score I was contractually obligated to finish, which I barely managed. So I wasn't there in
43:41more ways than one for whatever discussions may have followed. The only alteration I heard about at the time was the use of CGI, computerenerated figures to obscure some of the nudity in the scene where Warner Brothers wanted where Warner Brothers wanted in order to which Warner Brothers wanted in order to secure an R rating for the film. It was going to be rated NC17 if they kept the footage exactly as is cuz you know there's basically like a at the cult there's like a porno kind of in there.
44:14But I did not hear that any shots or scenes were removed. When my father died, Eyes Wide Shut, had reached picture lock, and was moving through the final stages of post-prouction. It had just been shown to the studio heads, I assume, with a temporary music track, while the final sound mix and some of the music work still to be completed.
44:33This was 1999 in the era of physical film distribution. The film was edited on Avid, but that should not be confused with the kind of permanent digital archive people imagine today. The Avid material consisted of standard definition video transfers made from the rushes 720x 576 pixels and used for editing. Obviously, this is like Premiere Da Vinci, Adobe Premiere Pro.
44:57>> I've used Avid >> and like heavy tools.
44:59>> Old dinosaur [ __ ] >> Old dinosaur [ __ ] They were working copies, not a highresolution digital preservation of the original negative.
45:06There wasn't a highresolution digital version of every take sitting on a server somewhere as people might reasonably imagine today. There were, of course, all the 35mm rush prints as well as the original camera negative containing the outtakes. Eventually, long after the film was finished and released, the 35mm rush prints and the original negative of outtakes were incinerated. The original master negative of the finished film and the immediate film elements made from it were of course kept in st storage. Once the picture was locked, the original camera negative would have been physically cut to match the Avid edit.
45:42Once the negative itself had been cut, you couldn't simply undo those cuts and rearrange the film. Each cut destroyed a frame at both the head and tail of the shot. This is clocking to you, DeF?
45:52>> Yeah. Yeah.
45:53>> Okay. Yeah. The master negative of the finished film was then used to make inner positives from which the inner negatives were made and those inner negatives would have been used to make the 35mm theatrical release prints. The original neg and she bolds this. The original negative of the outtakes never went through that process because of course those shots were not part of the finished film. Someone might say quote but then if the missing 20-minute edit exists it would be preserved on the Avid unquote. But editing the film on Avid does not mean all of the material was presented indefinitely. This was not an
46:27era in which every piece of editorial media was automatically retained on servers for decades. And I have no knowledge of whether any of the Avid editorial material from the production still exists. That's a question for we're going to go to the next tweet. The University of Arts London. They hold the official archive of my father's surviving papers, production materials, and other records spanning the his entire career, including Eyes Wide Shut.
46:51But to my knowledge, there is no surviving cache of Avid Rushes from the film. So even if 20 minutes had in fact been removed after his death, I seriously doubt we should expect a surviving video or digital copy, unused negative, or other obvious physical record of it to be sitting somewhere today. But the absence of such material cuts both ways. It does not prove that those 20 minutes ever existed in the first place. That is as far as I can honestly go. I never heard of the missing 20 minutes at time. I I have never subsequently seen or been shown any evidence that such a section existed. And I know of no surviving
47:24material that establishes that it did. I cannot tell you what may or may not have happened during the 30ome hours immediately after my father's death.
47:3430 some hours immediat. That's interesting. I was not there. But unless substantive evidence emerges, and I do not regard stories from certain people who, in my opinion, are inventing them after the fact as evidence. People often want to sensationalize their part in a story. If indeed they even had a part, the story that 20 minutes was removed from Eyes Wide Shut after his death remains, to my mind, an actual conspiracy theory, not an established [snorts] fact. Finally, this much I'm certain of. If indeed 20 minutes had been removed, I definitely would have found out about it eventually. Once the
48:06fog of agony had lifted, I involved myself very closely in protecting my father's work and took that responsibly extremely seriously. And then she tagged Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, and me.
48:16Interesting combo right there. But anyway, all right. I I have a couple thoughts here. First of all, the last paragraph there, I don't know perspect, I don't know how much involvement Vivian's had in protecting her father's work because I I understand there were some sibling issues there as well because again, I think it comes back to the Scientology thing, some other stuff. So, I I don't know about that part. It is interesting that she's going out of her way to talk about a potential missing cut here. But the more I I thought about that film this week, because after after we did the episode last week, I was just
49:01really thinking about it even more, the more I thought to myself, I don't know how much it matters if there's a missing cut. And let me start by saying if they had changed one or two details, it could really matter. Meaning, if there's not a missing cut, but they CGI a detail, it could matter. And specifically, I'm thinking of a scene. There was a great video made on this on YouTube. I forget who did it. Maybe DEF can find it, but it's called like the letter theory. I want to shout out that creator who came up with this. There's a scene after the cult meet up when Tom Cruz is going through his existential crisis and
49:42wondering what the [ __ ] just happened and kind of panicking. There's a scene where he returns to the house that he had gone to where he discovered came upon this cult and when he gets there the gate is closed and it's a really long driveway and this this create deep just pulled it up. This is Jacob Deio reviews on YouTube. So shout out Jacob.
50:05He did a great little series called the letter theory about eyes wide shut. So, everyone go check that out. It's really good stuff. But when Tom Cruz comes up to this gate and it's closed, a car drives up and an old man in a suit with a very serious look on his face gets out and hands him a letter silently and then walks back to the car. And when Tom Cruz opens it up, it says something like I I forget because it's not in front of me.
50:35It says something like this is your second, this is the second time you have tried to look into this.
50:44We are we are telling you you need to make no further inquiries or there will be a punishment or there will be a consequence something like that. And what Jacob, the YouTube creator, posits is that they could have changed that letter on the text because you see the shot of Tom Cruz holding it in his hand.
51:03You could have either reshot the hand.
51:04That would have been very easy because you don't see anything else.
51:07>> Or they could have CGIed the the letter because maybe the letter actually said something explicit. Maybe it said, for example, and I think Jacob said this in his video. I hope I'm giving this to the right creator who said this, but maybe it said something like, "You are in violation of our code of standards in this [ __ ] sick ass cult, [ __ ] horrible, disgusting, whatever.
51:38And if you and your wife want to live, you have to give us your daughter."
51:43Because what I talked about last week on on on our episode we did last week is specifically that last scene in the film where Tom Cruz and Nicole Kidman are in the toy store in New York City with their daughter. They got their eyes all over her. They're talking about the situation, how they're going to handle it. And then out of nowhere, they stop.
52:03They look at each other. They let their daughter walk through them. They look at her once, I think, and then turn back around and never look back. And as the daughter turns away, she is walking possibly with two men.
52:19And there was the two men theory throughout the movie where you'd constantly see or hear about two men as fixers cleaning things up or leading people around as it relates to the cult.
52:29And the theory is that that may have been Kubrick's eyes wide shut wink, if you will, to the fact that to save their own lives, they gave their daughter away.
52:42So, the letter theory could also be that, you know, maybe it said something more explicit on that and the studio could have edited that. Certainly something worth considering for sure.
52:54But interesting to see Viven seemingly respond directly >> to that cuz that was, you know, she tagged us in and it was right afterwards. So, I'm I'm kind of assuming that there was some sort of response there. If there wasn't, Vivian, please correct the record on Twitter. But I the reason I I thought about this a lot this week besides those details is that I don't think there needed to be a missing 20 minutes.
53:23And there really might be. This might have been way worse and even way more explicit and way more like, "No, this is what it is." Who knows? Maybe he used the word Epstein in there. I don't know.
53:33But like, probably not. But you get my point. Like it may have been a lot more.
53:38But the extra 20 minutes for all it could have shown if you remove that from the record and just look at the film as we saw it. And and let's even assume for a minute it wasn't edited together. like the frames weren't as perfect as Kubrick would have done it if he had had his finishing touches on it, but like the base is is very close to or exactly what he would have done if he lived all the way through the final edit.
54:04>> I think it says enough.
54:06>> I really do. I I don't even think that the conspiracy is necessary. I think if you watch this film, and I said last week, watch it multiple times. Watch it three or four times >> in one sitting.
54:18>> In one Yeah. Yeah. I take a Saturday and watch it on repeat for educational purposes. I'm saying that unsarcastically.
54:28I think it tells you all you need to know. It is a story about an elite sex cult that operates. In this case, they're out in New York City and they all [ __ ] go to rich people's places where, as I said last week, Kubric chose to film it at a formerly Rothschild mansion in [laughter] in the UK, which is quite interesting. And you know, they go there and they let's call it what it is. They they sexually assault women that are trafficked there and minors, which they, as far as we can tell, they didn't depict any assaults, actual assaults in the mansion of minors. All the women that appear there I you assume
55:16>> appear to be of age but the like I said the intonations are there throughout the film when he goes to when he goes to the costume store and there's the [ __ ] that girl was like 14 >> when they filmed that movie and she's back there being assaulted and then it's clearly shown the next night that the he acted like the the the shop owner was offended when when and upset when he saw guys potentially assaulting this girl and then the next night he was like offering up her services. I think it was I just blanked out for a second. So it was like insinuated actually he was in on it >> and that he also knew maybe where Tom
55:51Cruz was going. So it's a part of this whole network. So it obviously discusses all these things and you just have to like listen to the messaging of it. I think it I forget artistically for a second. I think from a plot scenario, it unfortunately aged like fine wine. And it was Kubrick's way of saying I like I don't even liken it to Hollywood. I liken it to him saying there are elite groups that do this [ __ ] and they come from every level of society and if it makes them feel better in certain places, they go in there and they wear masks and act all satanic about it on the already very satanic act. But this
56:34is this happens. And maybe it's not everyone for sure, but like it's more than one. It's not like one sick lone bad apple and you can run the tape.
56:52I think I think it's pretty hard to disagree with that.
56:55>> Yeah.
56:57>> You got anything to add on that, Joey Def?
56:59>> No, you did a duck uh justice. Fine wine.
57:03>> Well, let let's see. Let's see if if Vivian has some more to say on that.
57:10Again, there's a little bit of an awkward disconnect there on the Scientology thing, but it's interesting that that she talked about it. I do want to say before we go, we'll talk about some more Flock stuff next week and some Axon stuff, by the way, cuz like we said, there are companies >> replacing >> and looking to replace Flock. So, this is not just like this one company little [ __ ] fall into a scop battle here.
57:36You got to focus on these cameras going up everywhere. and stopping it no matter who it is because they all have stupid technology that's going in. We'll talk about some Palunteer stuff with that next week, too. I I got some things on that.
57:49>> But down in Florida where Allessie Alamman, who's been with me for a really long time and has a great channel, >> Allessie Alaman, it's named that on YouTube.
57:59You know, he he in his community down in Florida, they've had all kinds of flot cameras. and he actually went I think I said this last week but he went and talked to the city council and it wasn't really getting across. So when we reported last week about the Santis declaring that all flock cameras need to be decommissioned on state roads and stuff like that. The way he and I didn't say this last week the way he said it was he was referring specifically to state roads. So when the Florida Transportation Commission came out with the directive at his order, that's what it said. And now you have communities
58:33like Allesis in Marian County doing workarounds on this and saying, "Okay, well that said state roads, so we'll comply with that, but we're going to keep flot cameras everywhere else cuz it fights crime." So I would call on, you know, what Dantis started with is great and I appreciate that. I I hadn't seen something that direct from any governor in the country.
58:54Maybe if I miss something, people can put that in the comments. But I think a couple other governors now are starting to follow suit. That said, if you're going to do this, do it all the way.
59:03Don't do it halfway because now you're now you're going to create like a district, I don't know, chain of command that can make decisions based on the language that you're giving them. And Ilessie was showing me some of the fallout of this on social media with Okala and a lot of people are [ __ ] flipping out about it.
59:23>> Yeah. I mean, as they should be, >> flipping out about it. And he's been all over this, man. and he's been pushing this issue and getting interviewed on the news stories down there and stuff.
59:30So, shout out to Allessie >> doing a really nice job. But we will be focusing on these other companies as well, like I said, because you know, you have to. But that said, it is Labor Day weekend when I'm putting this out. So, I hope everyone has a great rest of their weekend and enjoys the end of summer. It went by really fast.
59:52>> Yeah.
59:52>> That said though, you know what it is.
59:55Give it a thought. Get back to me.
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