0:01I stay ready.
0:02>> Yeah, you're you're ready for this one right here. Stay ready.
0:04>> So, I did say it. Tara Pal Mary started pulling on the John Kerry thread. John Kerry, who is a real, he's another one. We use this term all the time these days, but you have to.
0:18He's a real Forest Gump of things, >> you know, skull and bones guy from Yale.
0:23ends up being a senator, runs for president against his fellow skull and bonesian George W. Bush in 2004, loses, but I believe goes back to Senate after that. I could be wrong about that.
0:37Eventually ends up Secretary of State.
0:40He has come up in that capacity on my podcast many times. Episodes 249 and two well was in 250. John John Kuryaku really talked about it because John Kiryaku was asked by John Kerry to be that's what it was the chief investigator of the Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee in like 09ish. So he was a senator again after losing the presidency election 2004. But he's always described as a slithery figure, someone who will lie to your face and not think anything of it when he walks away. as it seems most of these politicians are, regardless of what party they're in, they're all the same thing. It's all the same team. We also
1:23played a video of him >> somewhat recently, maybe several months ago on a podcast where he was like at the World Economic Forum. What was he talking about? Like scaling back the First Amendment or something like these people. I don't remember what it was, but it's some cringy clip. And it's like, dude, what is he 75 80 something like that? It was that >> you've had your day. You got all the Hines ketchup money. Go away. Yeah. He says John Kerry says first amendment is the enemy as elites try to stamp out free speech. Yeah, this is from 2024. I believe we played it on a late 2025 podcast, but you know,
2:05just odds. So, Tara Palel Mary, longtime OG investigator of the case, decides to take a look at some ties. So, let's actually play this vertical video that she put out earlier. This was really good.
2:21>> This is a picture of John Ky with Jeffrey Epstein's housekeepers, the former senator, Secretary of State, and member of Biden's National Security Council. Until now, John Kerry has largely escaped scrutiny for his connections to Jeffrey Epstein. I remember back in 2019 when Virginia Juy told me that she recalled encountering John Kerry. I was in shock because this would have been at the height of Epstein's sex trafficking operation and just a few years before he ran for president. I looked through thousands of documents in the Epstein files over 10 months and what I saw was Epste's fixation on John Ky and his willingness
2:56to introduce him to people like Steve Bannon, a disgraced Emirati billionaire who said to Jeffrey Epste, "I love the torture videos." In these newly uncovered documents, you see Epstein's staff recalling seeing John Kerry in either photos or personally, like on his plane. Epste also donated to Carrie politically into his packs. Back in 2019, his spokesperson said that Carrie had never encountered Epstein personally. But these documents reveal something that's very common in Washington, power, proximity, and access as currency. Since I published this investigation, Democratic Congressman Ro K Connor said that he wants to call in
3:32John Kerry for questioning before the House of Oversight Committee. I reached out to John Kerry's team to see if he will comply. For more of my reporting, head to tara.com and you can read the full deep dive investigation.
3:45>> Shout out to Tara for that. So yeah, she put if if you were watching the video and not just listening to the podcast, she also put some of the screenshots of some of the official record, I believe, like depositions or court cases where these things are quoted, the picture of him, John Kerry, with the housekeepers.
4:01And again, it's like all these people were coming out in 2019, oh, I never met Jeffrey Epste. I don't know him.
4:07>> And it's not everyone, but many people.
4:10trickled out over the years and then flooded especially over the past three four months that they lied and they did know him and he was around and again when John K's in that Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee era and then we secretary state era these are similar eras to when we have it on record that Jeffrey Epstein is setting up meetings with the future head of the CIA the current head of the CIA and John Brennan at some point. You know, he's wired into the Obama White House's chief lawyer fixer, Katherine Rumbler, that we've covered a million times on this show. He's talking setting up meetings with the [ __ ] head of
4:51DARPA.
4:52>> You think he probably didn't know John Kerry? I think not.
4:56John Kerry is also the same guy that when John Kuryaku discovered the whole what was really happening with the poppy fields in Afghanistan, which was his job as Senate Foreign Intelligence Committee [ __ ] chief investigator to go find this [ __ ] When he brought it home, John Kerry was like, "No, not like that.
5:15Not not no. We're not going to talk about that one." And John Kuryak was like, "What the fuck?" And then, you know, I don't think it's a coincidence he gets charged. Eh, what's the Oenheimer quote? It's like, "Amateurs seek the sun and get eaten.
5:30Real power stays in the shadows."
5:33>> Yeah, >> it's that [ __ ] right there.
5:34>> Yeah, that's no fault to John Kiryaku, but I think that's where he kind of drew the line with something like that and that might have that didn't help his cause. But, you know, it's just you're just going to keep hearing about people like that.
5:51>> Mhm.
5:52>> When you have reporters like Tara who again have crazy sources that I could never compare to on this case because again she's been on it for so many years.
6:03>> Julie K. Browns of the world, these OGs of the case.
6:07>> Mhm.
6:08>> They're going to find this stuff. So again, some unsolicited PR advice. If you knew Jeffrey Epstein or wherever around and perhaps maybe come out and admit it, talk about it in the full context. Tell the whole truth because they'll find out and get out in front of it. It's the best you can do. You're probably still going to get cooked as you should. But man, you might get you might get baked instead of deep fried, you know.
6:34>> Yeah.
6:34>> You know that's better.
6:36>> Come on. What are you gonna do? Better for the cholesterol, too. Now, there was a closed door hearing this week, de conveniently not on cameras >> and not recorded, >> but lucky for us, a stenographer did take it. I believe they haven't released any of this yet. I'll get to that video in a minute. That's perfect. But Howard Lutnik, who I don't I didn't see anything about Howard Lutnik being at the White House correspondents dinner. Def. Wow. Good last week, but seemed like the whole cabinet was there.
7:13>> Let me see if I could find.
7:14>> Yeah, let's see. I I want to know if that's true.
7:16>> That's interesting.
7:17>> I haven't seen anything about him being there. It doesn't mean he wasn't there.
7:20He might have been, but that was kind of interesting, right? The guy who has insisted on still being around the cameras, standing next to Trump, doing his thing through thick and thin.
7:33>> He wasn't there.
7:34>> Yeah, he he didn't attend.
7:35>> He didn't attend. Cash Patel, who is not officially in the cabinet. That's right, de >> FBI director is not in the cabinet.
7:42>> Goes, >> but he was there.
7:44>> Yeah, he was there cuz he's cuz he had to get shitfaced with the boys, >> this FBI dire.
7:55>> I will say this, as much as I don't like Cash Patel, I I didn't believe that Atlantic report. Apparently that was turned down by like >> a lot of publications that were like, "No, this is not true." And then, you know, he sued him for it, which again, optically, >> you probably shouldn't [ __ ] sue him while you're the head of the FBI, but who am I to talk on that?
8:18>> But yeah, I mean, there's that's my whole thing. It's like there's enough to there's enough material to work with on that guy.
8:25>> Oh, I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah, he's fine. I get a kick out of >> I get a kick out of him, too.
8:30>> It's great. But yeah, Howie wasn't there.
8:32>> How he was not there. So, you know, I'm glad he was safe at home while that was happening. Didn't have anything to worry about. But, you know, this is this is a guy who if you go all the way back to what started this with episode 381, which was just a genuine crash out I had on him, you know, he went on an interview in the New York Post last year and looked the camera, the lady in the eyes and gave this whole dramatic retelling >> of how the one time he was around Jeffrey Epstein in 2005. five when he was I think they were like finishing construction on the house he had bought number 11 right next to Jeffrey Epste on
9:16East 71st Street. He saw the massage table. Jeffrey Epstein creepily talked about getting a massage, the right kind of massage right in his face like right here and he walked out and he said in the 8 to 10 steps it takes to get from my house to his house. I told my wife we will never be around that disgusting individual ever again. And then he went on to list every which way that it turned out in the emails that were later released. He did spend time around Jeffrey Epstein by saying, "So I was never involved with him in business, personally, with philanthropy, nothing.
9:59Because he is disgusting or said something like that." And you know, we there was a clip we put together of this of me [ __ ] flipping out on Instagram where we showed all the emails with the highlights. Shout out Danny Gonzalez helping me out with that clip, you know, where we see the emails and all the years after this where he donates to things involved with Jeffrey Epstein directly on an email chain with him where he discusses I don't even remember what they were but investing in stuff with Jeffrey Epstein where he discusses obviously infamously visiting the island in 2012 with his whole [ __ ] family
10:34and some other guy and his family and then can we pull up the picture Howard Lutnik Jmail you'll see it pop up. There was an image that was released in the original January 30th drop that thank God Jmail exists and copied everything.
10:50It was later removed by the Justice Department, but it shows very clearly Howard Lutnik in 2012. Here it is on the island with Jeffrey Epstein. I don't know this for a fact, but those may be Howard Lutnik's children to his left.
11:06They look like at that point pretty close to grown adult males, maybe like teenagers, something like that. I don't know if that's them. I don't know if the guy on the right sitting down is Lurman, who was the husband of the couple that he references in the infamous email, but you can see they they showed on the island that they're basically right by the temple right here. Howard Lutnick is in beach clothes. Good flip-flop game, I'll give them that. And Jeffrey Epstein's right there. And they seem happy as a pig and [ __ ] You know, so Lutnik goes in this week in this closed door hearing, which again, he did testify publicly in
11:44front of Congress a few days, like a week or two after the Epstein January 30th drop, where he did get somewhat certainly embarrassed there, but it was a light hearing just going over like, "Hey, I think you lied about not knowing him." And he answered some of that and said, "We were there for an hour." to which Steve said, "Who the [ __ ] spends an hour on a [ __ ] island?" Yeah.
12:07Neither here nor there.
12:09>> But, you know, he also mentioned like, "And I left with my wife, my children, and our nannies." It's like, "Were were you going to leave him behind with Uncle Jeff?" Like, was that an option? Was that you know, it was just creepy. And I ripped him at the time righteously so for not walking out of even before he walked in there for not resigning.
12:31>> Yeah. you are when you serve, especially any serious office, but the highest office in the [ __ ] land that apparently reports to a lot of other people who are unelected, but either way, the highest office in the land, the White House, when you serve that and you become a distraction, you resign. This is a tale as old as time. This is this is what people do. It is bigger than you. The only person who don't resign is the president, which you know, I'm not saying they never should, but I'm saying you you understand what I mean. Like, when you're a problem, you're gone. You do the right thing. If you don't, you
13:11get fired. And for some reason, he hasn't gotten fired.
13:17He's taking [ __ ] you know, white boys with motion pictures with Elon Musk six weeks later on and posting it to Twitter.
13:24>> Yeah. Yeah. Like Howard, I'm making it my crusade to see you gone from the White House. And you know what? Maybe after that I won't bother you anymore unless new evidence comes forward, in which case I will. But like the hubris or or the complicity in things far more than Epstein.
13:46>> Yeah.
13:46>> That you have to have to still be there.
13:49>> Yeah.
13:49>> And say [ __ ] you to all of us.
13:54that hubris slashendor complicity pretty large.
14:02So Roana came out of this meeting and again huge shout out to Thomas Massie and Roana bipartisan coming together on this. I couldn't even tell you half the political positions that either of these guys I don't care on this issue. They have been consistent trying to help doing their best. They're in Congress.
14:20There's some limited power there. I understand that. But like they're staying on it, you know? It's not just the soup dour moment. And you saw it like Roana's calling for for John Kerry to be questioned on this and stuff.
14:32These guys are going across the aisle.
14:34They don't care if there's a question of guilt at this point. Thomas Massie and Ro Conor to me have demonstrated they don't care what political spectrum it's coming from. It's all the same spectrum to them. And that's exactly how it should be. But this is what Roana had to say when he walked out of the Howard Lutnik private closed door hearing.
15:07Well, now we know why that interview was not videotaped. Uh if Donald Trump had seen the video transcript, he would have fired Howard Bling. Uh it was really embarrassing. He was asked very straightforward questions about whether he regretted misleading the American people. I mean he said that he would never see uh Epstein again uh in 2005 and everyone knows that he took his wife and kids to see Epstein in 2012. And yet it was just contortions and lies and no acknowledgement that he misled the American public. And if you saw the exchanges that my colleagues had with him, you would see uh he made a uh force
15:55of the English language. I mean uh he was trying to define I as if uh saying that what he really meant is that he would not see Epstein alone but be totally fine with having his wife and kids uh kids see Epste. They made no sense. And then uh he's raised even more serious concerns about the investigation. He originally had said that uh Epstein engaged in blackmail and uh recorded videotapes. Now he's saying well he was wrong. He was just speculating and oh he went purely didn't engage in blackmailing. This raises the question of what the cover up is. Did someone tell him that? Uh I've not heard
16:38that uh he is that Epstein never engaged in blackmail. Why is Howard Lutnik changing his testimony, changing his story? Uh he's lost all credibility. Uh and really it's a shame that the American people uh don't get to see uh what he did there >> and resign.
16:56Resign.
16:58Get out of there. Now, that's a bombshell.
17:02>> Bombshell. Cuz again, and I believe James Comr, who's a Republican, I believe it was Comr who said this afterwards to his credit that even though it wasn't I I there was some weird semantics with this. They were doing some verbal jiu-jitsu with what this official hearing was, but it wasn't like under oath, Comr said something like lying to Congress is still a felony. So, God help him if he did. The fact that Howard Lutnik after everything we've seen and everything that's public now went in there and went out of his way. It sounds like again we weren't there but that's how Ro Connor is making
17:41it sound went out of his way to say yeah you know how I was admitting that like he definitely did blackmail. Yeah. No, I don't think it was blackmail. I think he just, you know, despite all the preponderance of evidence that shows very clearly he was blackmailing [ __ ] everyone, including Howard Lutnik in all likelihood, it's like Howard, who got to you?
18:03Who who whispered in your ear?
18:07Who said you can't say that?
18:11Then you steal our line in the process, hitting them with respect. Are you [ __ ] kidding me?
18:15>> Yeah, I should. I want two [ __ ] milk.
18:18>> Yeah, we're going to hit him with a trademark complaint.
18:20>> You kidding me?
18:21>> Let's make his life hell.
18:22>> Come on, >> Steve. I don't think we can do that. I don't even own a house. You know how much that [ __ ] litigation costs?
18:30>> Yeah, I got nothing in this fight.
18:32>> I talked to the trademark attorney last week. It was like [ __ ] >> Dude, trade >> 2K for like an hour and a half, >> dude. Yeah, trademark is not cheap, dude. It's actually pretty wild.
18:43>> I'm like, what? Who needs this money?
18:45Who needs it? You know what?
18:46>> Yeah, >> it's just firewood, right? Anyway, the countdown of Howard Lutnik resigning or being fired, not that Trump would do the right thing on that very clearly, has been going since the beginning of this and the clock is still ticking.
19:01Occasionally I tweet the date and time and say Howard Lutnik still has a job in the [ __ ] White House in the White House cabinet, no less. And every time we all talk about it on Twitter and still nothing happens. And it just goes to show you that they feel impervious, if that's the right use of the word, to the criticism of the masses and the pe the righteous. It's not just criticism. It's righteous evidencebacked clear. Gotcha.
19:29>> Yeah. criticism of the masses of people who are pretty upset that anyone related to this guy, be it, you know, with with some sort of relationship, be it a Howard Lutnik, be a Po Zamboli, be it any of them, have any sway or power at this point. It's it's it's a disgrace full on. Now, I'm going to put a pin in some of the Paulo Xan pulley stuff because we're going to continue on that case. There was one thing with his aunt coming out and doing an interview this week, but I want to build more on that and probably do that next week as well because he's been tweeting some stuff from around the world and in his very
20:12official capacity as special envoy or whatever the [ __ ] >> I don't even remember what he >> gets to travel a bit.
20:19>> Yeah, the prestige worldwide is prestige worldwide. Pretty sick.
20:22>> Yeah. But you know, again, it's all public evidence, Paulo.
20:29And what are allegations? We very clearly said are allegations. Just want to remind you of that, my friend. You can run the tape. Pure respect. Pure spec. So, we will we will come back to you. But before we get to this hivirus thing, Dave, can we do the fake [ __ ] alien propaganda and just get that over with? This was today. Peter Ducey, Fox News, you know, which is basically Trump news coming out in in a very binderlike fashion. Remember when they came out with the binders of the Epstein files, all the influencers?
21:06>> Yeah.
21:07>> They're like, "Here we go."
21:08>> Yeah.
21:09>> You know, >> Peter Ducey came out with what is that?
21:15A hard drive.
21:16>> Yeah.
21:16>> Is that what it looks like?
21:17>> Yeah.
21:18>> A disc something. some kind of drive.
21:20Let's just let Peter take it away.
21:24>> House official left this hard drive on my desk overnight. You can see on this A files, copy 203. That is all domain resolution office. Copy 203. Uh this is the first big batch of UFO disclosure ordered by President Trump. Some of the clips and videos on there have popped up different places before. Some of them have not. And we have been going through this all morning and overnight uh to try to put together some of the best videos.
21:54So we >> renowned alien expert Peter Ducive right here. So let's go to the world exclusive over the skies of the United Arab Emirates in June 2024. An inverted teardrop with a vertically linear trailing mass as described by the War Department suspended below. The War Department cannot say for sure what this is. It is officially listed as an unresolved UAP report. The next video over the skies of Iraq, December 2022, moving bottom left to top right of the field of view.
22:29>> The aliens care a lot about gets from this is an area of contrast. That's what they describe it as. It is officially still listed as an unresolved UAP report. Next video over the skies of Greece, October 2023. what is described as a small and circular UAP flying near the surface of the ocean towards land.
22:53Sentcom can't tell us what it is. It is officially listed as an unresolved UAP report. Within the last 2 minutes, all of these videos have gone live on war.gov/ UFO. And a White House official tells Fox first, "While past administrations sought to discredit or dissuade the American people, President Trump is focused on providing maximum transparenced in these files." And there's also a fresh look at some historical records.
23:26>> Okay, I've seen enough right here.
23:30You know, I'm so fascinated with the alien thing. You know that I have talked about it a lot before. I I think mathematically I've talked with a lot of physicists. It's near impossible that we're not alone in the universe. What that looks like, how that looks like, I don't know. There's a lot of noise that's come out of the government since 2017. I've seen a lot of that disproven over time. There's other things that I'm open-minded on.
23:51You know, there's certainly some stories around the world of sightings that to this day fascinate me because it's like maybe could be something there.
23:58Especially when you look at the timelines of when they happened, where they happened, the lack of coordination that could have occurred, the types of people who saw them. It's like were they all [ __ ] MK Ultra in all these different countries at all these different times perfectly to say the same types of things? I don't think so.
24:14But as I said early on when they were right when they announced that they were going to start opening up the UFO files when the Epstein [ __ ] was at fever fever pitch. Take all this stuff with an enormous grain of salt. The videos there are some of the least excite that he just showed are some of the least exciting videos I've ever seen with this stuff. If anything, it's DARPA weapons or not even at that level. some other country that has DARPA [ __ ] Junior and they're working with some basic drones. One of them could have been, for all we know, it's not, but it could have been a bird, like the the white one over
24:50Iraq. You don't [ __ ] know. But to be clear, I don't think it was a bird.
24:54Either way, you know, I'm just sick of this [ __ ] It's just No. And like again, refer to that rant. I It had to be four or five minutes. There was a clip of it on Twitter. Maybe we can find it. But refer to Tim Dylan's rant last week about this. I agree with Tim on everything except if like real evidence were brought like actual real evidence were ever brought out about aliens that he was like no one would would give half a [ __ ] I disagree with him on that. But his point is perfectly well taken about the whole disclosure thing just being, as he quotes, everything done from here on out is going to be the most
25:36embarrassing thing you've ever seen.
25:38Referring to this is like the soup dour of the moment being alien disclosure and how it's just it's not going to be anything that's of note and it's just to change the narrative however they can. And like yo, when stories like this happen, we'll talk about it because like it's happening. I can't be like la they're not doing it. But like I'm going to talk about it in the lens calling it like I see it as best I can. And to me it's a nothing burger right now. You're you're rolling it out with [ __ ] Peter Ducey.
26:07I saw Sean Hannity talking about it.
26:10>> You know, no disrespect, but like >> this is this is this is the the White House [ __ ] media roll out. Personal roll out.
26:18>> Yeah. that that clip of Peter Ducey, the first thing I thought is, "Aren't you embarrassed?
26:26What the hell is going on?"
26:28>> Yeah, >> it's just >> Yeah, we got to bring back shame, >> dude. Say it all the time. Just a little bit. Nothing crazy. Just a little bit, >> but we got to bring back a little shame.
26:40>> Just a bit.
26:41>> Now, I don't want to spend too much time on the Han virus thing. I don't want to spend a half hour on this, but it's a story we obviously all get a terrible nails on the chalkboard feeling, especially when the media starts like pushing something like this after what we live through with the pandemic and just the pure misery of all that. But Havirus is again, we're not doctors or scientists.
27:10We're going off of publicly available information. In fact, we're going off information straight from the CDC and WHO, who doesn't exactly have a great record of being on the side of the people. I digress. Hirus is at this point something that has been around since I believe it's an it's technically an ancient virus, but there was like a breakout in Korea. Is that right, Thief?
27:34>> Yeah, I think so.
27:36>> Let's make sure we get it right.
27:37>> Yeah, >> it began with the H I have it right here. The honan virus in Korea linked to hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome.
27:45The major turning point in the US was 1993 when a mysterious deadly respiratory illness appeared in the four corners region.
27:53There have been 890 cases by CDC's count through 2023 since surveillance began in 1993.
28:02And this came up because there was the whole cruise thing where this crew this cruise that I was believe I believe it was a Dutch cruise had people on it contract the Andes Hivirus and then different countries and ports didn't want to take it in. These people were like quarantine. Don't go on a cruise.
28:22All right?
28:23>> Like just don't go on a [ __ ] cruise.
28:25It's a floating country >> where everyone's on top of each other. I was on a cruise when I was 16 where it literally caught on fire in the Mediterranean Sea. Not pleasant.
28:36>> I've still never been. Never will.
28:37>> Yeah. You know what? You're not missing anything.
28:40>> Please >> just go somewhere where you can get a [ __ ] hotel. Get an air or don't travel. I don't know. Like stay home. I don't know. If you're going to travel, go go by land. Go by plane.
28:51>> Yeah, it might be a stay-at-home summer.
28:53Honestly, >> it might be a stay-at-home summer. I like the Jersey Shore. You know what I mean?
28:59But this cruise was sitting there for like a month before I think they took it. Spain agreed to take it off the Canary Islands where they did the full [ __ ] quarantine thing. Like >> all that stuff we remember from years ago.
29:14>> Obviously, we hope for the recovery of everyone there. They did apparently like fly these people back all over the world because they were coming from different places.
29:21>> Great idea.
29:22>> Great idea. But I did see I definitely took a note of this.
29:28Let's see the threat assessment. Here we go. The personal threat is serious if exposed. Disease can progress rapidly and be fatal. The public threat is usually low. Very important because antivirus is not generally efficient at spreading between people. The main risks are rodent infestations, disturbing droppings, poorly ventilated cleanup, cabin/sheds after winter, rural work, camping, and travel to areas with Andes virus. The pandemic threat is currently low. Even with the Andes virus, persontoperson spread appears to be require close prolonged contact and is not like the efficient airborne spread
30:05of SARS Kovv2. So there you go. The same people and we're going to hold them to it. I don't want to hear anything about oh this is different.
30:16Yeah, dude. I I just I've talked about this a lot before. The thing that like co itself like that time period made me realize more than ever and I realize it more than ever with each passing day and other things that occur in this [ __ ] chaos that we have access to now to see around the world.
30:38It it just made me realize how fragile society is. And that is some of that is a reality. It's just the nature of like living in a complex world with complex things and threats all around. Other parts of it are, you know, that's not a compliment towards us as a society and the way we operate and the way we do things and the constant pedalling of fear or even not getting justice on things to remove people from power who shouldn't be in power based on actions they take.
31:15You know, it's a litany of things. But I do feel like I I I never want to see anything like the hysteria, which is exactly what it was, of the pandemic and and that whole period of people just [ __ ] fighting each other, dehumanizing each other. I mean, we do it in other ways for other things now. We not us, but you know, people still fight over [ __ ] all the time. It's just unfortunately in human nature and kind of the law of large groups. But that was a nasty time where the institutions failed on every level.
31:59And you know, we don't we don't talk about the pandemic a ton. That's not intentional. It's just I think it's almost cuz like people don't want to talk about it like oh god that. But like when you see a moment like this where you know again we were seeing the red flags flying with like the media pushing this whole thing immediately. Oh two more cases right? Yeah. Madna's working on a vaccine for it right away. You know same characters same kind of little playbook. So that's why we're talking about it right now. And it's a good time >> to remind ourselves chill out. You know it we're not doing this again. Hey,
32:39the one thing I think about is like if something actually really bad, you know, some sort of boweapon or something really got released and because of the [ __ ] and lies of the pandemic, everyone was just like, "Fuck it."
32:54>> Well, that's yeah, that's that's my biggest worry with this because it still has like a 38% uh fatality rate. And like I just worry when they tell us, "Ah, chill out. Don't worry about it."
33:05Dude, I'm like, uh, my alarm start.
33:08>> You know what? I don't know. I'm just I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot.
33:11>> YOLO. Do what you want to do. Live your life. I'll do what I'm going to do.
33:16>> Call it a day. Like, there's so many lessons learned from that period for me personally. Like, so many things that I just in the past took for granted is, oh, that's just the way it is. And pure stupidity on my part. There's really no other way to put that. So, >> I don't want to be stupid again, but that's what's going on with it. I think a lot of people taking the taking a vibe check and people in my circles and stuff, they feel the same way. Would love to know how you guys feel out there. Let us know in the comments down below. But, you know, obviously hope for a full recovery of all the people who
33:53are involved with this. I'm just >> Yeah, I think I think they'll be all right.
33:57>> Yeah, >> I think Yeah, >> hoping for the best. But there was also, you know what, we should do the data centers right now to make sure we get to it.
34:07>> Yeah.
34:08>> And then if we can get to some of the stuff that happened in Iran, extremely under the radar, also just like the Epstein thing, same vibes. But some stuff happened in Iran this week that people should be talking about. And I did I will say Clint did a really nice job in episode 419 which came out today which means if you're watching this on Saturday yesterday talking about some of this especially towards the end of that podcast we we hit on it at different points throughout the podcast the implications of things in the Middle East right now long term but you know my friend Clint Russell who hosts the Liberty Lockdown podcast he
34:46you know he understands economics very very well and this whole petro dollar thing and the continuing kind of ticking time bomb that's happening particularly in the straight of hormuz right now. You know, this cannot last.
35:02This this this cannot last for months and months and months or there could be some cliffs that are jumped off that you you can't fly back through the air and get back on the cliff.
35:13>> And the petro dollar is one thing people are not talking about. Of course, we were all talking about gas prices cuz just like always, all regular Americans like you and me are out here now paying, you know, I saw one like 550 a gallon, >> dude. My buddy in LA sent me it was like 650.
35:30>> Jesus Christ. I mean, like it's it hurts.
35:33>> Oh yeah.
35:34>> You go there and you're like, "Oh my god, I just I I spent $40 on this three months ago. I'm spending $85 on it right now." Dude, Z paid $95 to fill an Acura tank. That's nuts. That's crazy.
35:48>> That's nuts.
35:48>> Sedan, >> you know, and it's like the this wasn't a part of the campaign promises that Donald Trump laid out to his many voters. And I, you know, I've talked to a lot of people who voted for Trump. And I, first of all, I don't blame him for voting for someone and then the guy does the complete opposite on things. They can't control that. And I get that. And you know, they also always say the same thing I do in the sense that Kamla was an awful candidate and that that is just a fact. That doesn't change. But you know, to see the flip here, I fully understand why people are frustrated with that. And and I think I think
36:28that's absolutely fair. I think the whole like, oh well, you you voted for him that people say to all the Trump voters, like how how fair is that when on the highest levels of things that weren't even in the purview of possibility, he's gone completely the other way on. I mean, that's I saw Charlemagne going at at Dana White on that and >> Yeah. Yeah.
36:53>> He did a great job with it.
36:54>> That was cool.
36:56>> That was cool. Dana's and like that's not Dana's fault that he was friends with the guy and is friends with the guy and stuff but like >> but like at the same time you gotta be real bro and Dana >> choose your friends >> sure but I'm saying like he was a pre-existent longtime friend whatever >> you know Dana is a billionaire >> or pretty close to it at least.
37:17>> Yeah. this this ain't hurting him as much, but his fans, people that support his business, it hurts them what's going on. And and you and you should, especially if you're publicly advocating for him and everything, you you should be able to answer those questions. It's not in a hostile way, but like I thought, you know, Charlemagne came with receipts on that.
37:40>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
37:41>> Cooked them.
37:42>> Yeah. So, anyway, the data centers This hit the mainstream as we said at the outset with the whole Kevin Oly thing. So Kevin Olirri, Mr. Wonderful, someone who's been on Shark Tank for a lot of years, extremely wellknown, very famous. He's involved in this project out in Utah where what is it deep? 60 square miles or something like that.
38:08>> 62 square miles. It'll be two and a half times the size of Manhattan.
38:12>> Two and a half times the size of Manhattan. He is looking at building a data center that size in rural Utah >> where >> to be clear he is he is like the face of it.
38:25>> There's a lot of investors behind it.
38:27There's debt financing. The governor of the state has signed off on it. There's a military implication with respect to different things that occur in Utah. I'm not totally in on what those details are, but it says right here, the project is being fasttracked by Utah's Military Installation Development Authority with the support of Governor Spencer Cox. So, there you go. I'm not sure on the specifics there, but like government's involved, investors are involved. And my understanding is that they're building this with the idea that it is a pure like if you're Kevin Oolir and his investors behind him, it's a pure
39:01investment opportunity because there's going to be a massive there already is a massive demand for these data centers in this AI world. So he can build this thing and then have tenants like Microsoft and Google and places like that and make money as like a landlord of an AI data center. The problem is you are building this in the middle of massive communities. You are building centers that in some cases might only end up employing like 40 people from the community to work there.
39:33>> Mhm.
39:35>> These are centers that will use massive power, massive water supplies. I don't want to get into the math off the top of my head. It's a lot. I don't want to get facts wrong, but it is a lot. In a world where, like I said, everything's fragile and things we take for granted are hanging by a thread, constituents around the country in various places where these data centers are being proposed to be built are righteously very hesitant about the potential long-term water effects, the effects on electricity bills in the area because of the consumption usage.
40:08>> Yes. the destruction of wildlife, >> the changing of the literal environment and in some cases generational hometowns that they have lived in for decades or centuries. Families that live in these places, the lack of jobs that will come from them, as I alluded to a few minutes ago, and also the noise and the quality of life, a data center, it's it's not this >> Oh, yeah. It's not a Tesla sitting on the road at full stop. You know, this is I I'm I'm not an expert on these [ __ ] places, but my understanding is they make a lot of noise.
40:44>> Yeah.
40:45>> You know, we we were driving through Bootin. Was that you with me or was that Chaz?
40:49>> I think it was.
40:50>> Yeah, it was Chaz.
40:51>> Driving through Bhootin a couple weeks ago. I haven't been up there in a while.
40:54And like we were joking about some of the houses that are built right on the wall.
40:59>> Oh, [ __ ] that.
41:00>> of 287. Like literally like the wall ends and 287's right there and we're like god imagine imagine what that does to your property value and [ __ ] like this isn't that different and it's 62 square miles now I now let's let's hear before he potentially comes in here. I don't know where that stands, but again, we got a lot to talk about. Now, Kevin, let's hear what Kevin Oly had to say in response to this. Before we play the video, though, though, Def, I do want to say there was an enormous, I guess, like local council meeting of the local government out in Utah where this was >> and it was in an a it was in a
41:45>> like a basketball >> auditorium >> auditorium like a big place. And it I don't know how many people there were there, but a lot. And these people were Well, let's play it. Actually, let's play this, Steve.
42:01>> All of this is false. THEN WHY WON'T THEY LET PEOPLE TALK? WHY WON'T THEY LET FALSE?
42:08>> THIS IS NOT REAL INFORMATION. AND WE SIT HERE LIKE IT'S OKAY. IT'S A CHARADE.
42:13>> It's a charade. It's false.
42:21Shane Game of Thrones. Love it.
42:31Look at all those people, man. Good for them.
42:35>> Yes.
42:37Okay, let's cut it there. Lot of I don't know the number. Lot of people in there.
42:41Good for them. Clearly, they're all on the same side. This isn't some [ __ ] coordinated protest or anything like that. And there's other videos that show like the three councilmen. I don't know what their official positions are, but you know, the people in charge of like approving something like this.
42:56>> And despite all this, it looks like they're going to approve it. And it goes to show you side point here, DeF.
43:03>> Oh, that was that was after it was approved.
43:05>> That was after it was approved right there. So, they already did it in front of all these people. They said, >> "Yeah, we hear you. Go [ __ ] yourself.
43:12We're doing it." And it, as a side note, it goes to show you, and I mean this in a perfectly safe, legal, first amendment capacity. Let me highlight that before I say this, in a perfectly safe, legal, first amendment capacity. We need to become a country again where those who govern us that we elect fear us rather than them sitting in a position where they believe we need to fear them.
43:40And shout out to all these people in Utah, regardless of where you stand on this issue. They have strong opinions about this with a lot of evidence behind it, by the way, that I just laid out.
43:49>> Oh, yeah.
43:50>> Shout out to them for making that heard and awful cynical moment for a government passing it despite all of that backlash that occurs for something that is not.
44:03Listen, I'm sure there's some economic viability that will come of it, but as far as jobs go and all the drawbacks we laid out, it's something that people righteously have a lot of hesitation on and should involve the will of the people deciding whether or not you have something like that there. And again, without being in any way, to be clear, an expert on these data centers and all the AI processing and cloud computing and [ __ ] and whatever that they do, just optically maybe maybe don't start with a 62 [ __ ] square mile facility.
44:35>> Yeah, but that's why they do it. We're stupid and we don't know how this stuff works. So that's why they're going to come in and explain it to us. Don't you see?
44:42>> I I just it's it's so bad. But let's let's hear what Kevin Oly said about this.
44:52How are you offsetting the How are you offsetting these environmental concerns?
44:57>> Well, I'm actually the only uh developer of data centers on Earth that graduated from environmental studies.
45:04>> So, I'm pretty aware of what these concerns are. They are around air, water use, heat, noise, pollution. Um, so sustainability is is at the heart of what we do in terms of all these proposals. We know, not just Utah, we have 10,000 acres in Alberta, Canada with the same concerns. And so we search for the best technology. There's many air cooled turbines now. So you're blending in air cooled versus water.
45:32There's so many different ways to generate power. We can also put a percentage of the power generation through solar, wind and batteries because the battery technology is 10x more efficient than it was just 5 years ago. So that's very helpful because it makes the cost of energy monotone sale.
45:49>> So no one, you know, if you're environmentalist and you don't care about that stuff, of course you protest and that's what happens. I noted in, you know, what's happening in Utah right now is we think over 90% of the protesters are actually not people that live in Utah or Boxelder County. They're being busted in >> and so people live in Utah are stupid.
46:11>> There's people flipping out and they realize, why am I letting people who don't even live in my state make decisions for me and I don't think it's going to work out for them.
46:20>> All right, pause. This This is a really really bad response. I did not watch that before we went on so I could kind of react to it. But it's monotone. It's unempathetic. It's pivoting to, hey, look at all the benefits you're going to get without actually looking at why people are upset about this across most of the variables.
46:41And then it's also playing the blame game and trying to say that, oh, it's just like another George Soros busting in people, which I I don't think that's what that is. And again, as Defudre, there was a there was a meeting >> over New Jersey two days ago. Yeah, it's happening all over.
46:58>> It's happening all over >> Maryland.
47:00>> And these are these people are upset about it because you're >> this is this is ripping the wax off Steve Carell in 40-year-old Virgin. You are taking everything from >> the [ __ ] down to the pores.
47:16>> Yeah. And you know, this is actually a decent example if he ever comes in here and after this episode probably won't, but a decent example to give you an idea like how I approach these things. So, I don't do gotcha sitdowns with people. I talk with people for three hours. That's the way it's been since the beginning of the podcast. We had without knowing about any of this months ago looked into having Kevin Olirri in. I think I know some people who know him. I think that's how that came up. Yeah, I've spoke with his people, too. They've been receptive >> and may and maybe that'll happen. If Kevin Oly came in here, I'm not going to
47:52sit down and be like, "Yo, [ __ ] you, bro. What are you doing?" I want to hear him out. I want rather than a 90-second [ __ ] sitting in his car answering a basic question on some mainstream network or whatever it was. I want to actually have a discussion, see what it is, have him lay out his whole case, be able to lay out the same case respectfully and carefully that I just did to you guys in probably a way more forgiving tone to see what he does with that. And then you guys out there can judge away based on whatever his responses are. And wherever that lands, it lands. you know that my my job is as
48:28best I can to not I mean my opinions come into some things but I don't want you to just like take my opinions including on this show obviously my job is to present the things as best I can and then let you guys figure it out agree with me disagree with me agree with the guest disagree with the guest however you want based on what the facts laid out are yeah I I pro I haven't really thought about this in the context of now what's coming up I probably I probably still want to do that podcast cuz I think that should happen.
48:59>> Oh, I I >> and I and I know where my head's at. My I I'm going to be honest, my bias is with the people here. I think this is way too fast, way too much without even knowing all the specifics of just what a >> AI data race this is. And a big issue that I take with stuff like this and and and it was a big issue with the Andover New Jersey meeting a few days ago is that they're rolling out these projects for, you know, billions on billions of dollars with no incentive or very little incentive to the town, to the schools, to the people. So it's just like who is this for?
49:34>> Who is this really for?
49:35>> That's right. And again, it's a big part of the AI craze. And like I don't And this is something I would say to Kevin Olirri. I don't think like Kevin Olirri thinks. Kevin Olirri is a stone cold business investor. I don't say that as a slight or a compliment. That's he is just he is a very successful businessman.
49:57>> Yep.
49:57>> Who is always looking at trends and what he gets off on as best as I can tell >> is like let's make a deal and let's grow from that deal. And good for him. Like that's a part of what runs the economy.
50:09I don't have that gene. I'm a creative.
50:12As I've discussed recently, I'm romantic about how I make money. I like to do things I love and wherever it lands, it lands. And that's probably why I don't have a lot of money. I should probably get a little better at it. Maybe I could take a point.
50:22>> Preach to the choir, brother.
50:23>> Right. But like you know the downside of being purely motivated that way is that maybe even through the right intentions in your head you pave your way to hell with the wrong intentions subconsciously because subconsciously what you're seeing is target trend acquire go and you lose the people that are caught in the middle that because you see them as assets or liabilities or a mix they're in. I don't know. But it takes the humanity out of things. And again, sometimes that's not intentional. Other times it is. They these guys like Kevin Olirri, they got to look themselves in the mirror at the night at night and
51:12decide what it is. And they know the truth there. So, I won't say one way or the other, but you know, when you're looking at latestage empires throughout history, we talk about it so much. There are all these different trends that happen over and over again.
51:28Go back to the Roman Empire, go back to any empire, and one of them is a separation of classes, the diminishingly small powerful, more and more powerful elites >> and everyone else. and eventually the scale of math and money tips.
51:49Now, what's funny is this is like the story of my life, but not what I just said, what I'm about to say. I was watching a clip a couple days ago. I believe Elizabeth Lane posted it on Twitter. It was from the Rebel Wisdom Show hosted by David Fuller. It was from back in 2020 with Douglas Rushkoff, who spent a lot of time with billionaires.
52:10guy I don't know a ton about, but I was thinking to myself, man, this would make a great podcast. And then today, Danny Jones drops a podcast with Douglas Runoff. So, shout out Danny Jones.
52:20Everyone, go check out that episode.
52:22Danny Jones never ever gets the credit he deserves. Basically, if you look at any big podcast where like a guest blows up, there is a 20% chance over the past like five years that this was Danny Jones plus x number of months. Like Danny gets people first, turns over rocks or you know people maybe sometimes people who are known but just haven't done the podcast circuit or whatever and he gets it and then it goes. So maybe that'll happen with this Douglas Rushoff guy.
52:54But let's play this clip real quick de because again this is back this was released on February 7th 2020 so over a month before the pandemic started which was a obviously a worldchanging event and all that and Douglas Rushkoff is talking about some very candid conversations he has had with people who I would describe as very separated from the realities of the average person.
53:17Let's run it.
53:18>> Yeah. I I was invited to do what I thought was a talk to like bankers or something at a resort >> and um instead of me going out on stage to do a talk, they brought these five guys into the green room who started peppering me with all these questions about the digital future, you know, like uh you know, Bitcoin or Ethereum and augmented reality or virtual reality. I figured it was one of these things where it's just these five billionaires looking for, you know, investment strategies from someone who's on the ground in the cyber revolution. And eventually they got around to the question of you know Alaska or New
53:51Zealand right? So they wanted to know mainly how to prepare for the inevitable collapse of society.
53:59>> And the question we spent most of the time on was how do I maintain control of my security force after the event >> because their money is going to be worthless and these guys will turn on them. And uh it it just struck me that here are the >> wealthiest and most powerful men I've ever encountered. Yet they feel utterly powerless to influence the digital future. That the best they can do is prepare for the inevitable collapse and you know insulate themselves from the reality that they're creating by earning money in the way they're earning it. And it was it was sad, but it was it indicative of the way these folks are
54:39thinking. You know, the the highlevel billionaires like the the Alon Musks and Jeff Bezos, they want to get off the planet alto together. Really just leave us behind. But the mid-level billionaires who can't afford rocket ships, they're want to build, you know, bunkers and secret communities and get uh robot guards and, you know, and protect themselves from the rest of us.
55:03you know, they really think that this is this is where it's going or at least they they're they're >> convinced enough that they're uh putting in 20 30% of their wealth into these uh uh survivalist scenarios and it's just it's a it's a it's a dark place for us to have gotten you know particularly the people who are building the technological infrastructure.
55:29>> Yeah. Yeah, I think the conclusion to that was >> so this last part we're going to watch of this right here. This is in a nutshell to me just encapsulates the complete separation from reality.
55:46And I would argue at the very least a basic human decency or straight up lack of humanity that some of I'm not labeling all people. some of these elites, seemingly the ones that he's talking with have of all of us. Let's play it.
56:08>> Well, if you want to stop your your kind of security force basically mutinying, you're going to have to treat them well.
56:15Basically, the only things that actually are going to be useful in those environments are >> things like trust, love, care, and the and the soft skills because you can't actually the money isn't going to help, >> right? And a legacy of doing that. You can't just start when they arrive. I mean, the joke was I said, you know, if you really want, you know, you want your head of security to protect you, um, you know, pay for his daughter's bach mitzvah today, you know, and they all laughed because none of their heads of security are Jewish guys with, you know, uh, daughters getting bach mitzvah. But
56:49they understood what I meant. You know, if you've paid for someone's daughter's bach mitzvah, then when push comes to shove, it's going to be hard for them to kill you, you know, 20 years later in the shelter because they'll think, "This guy paid for my daughter's bot mitzvah."
57:02>> Pause it right there.
57:04>> Can't can't just kill him.
57:09It's so sad.
57:12It is so sad that advice like that needs to be given. They're basically like, "Yeah, you know, get a little ashtray money and [ __ ] buy off your security guy. Throw him a throw him 100 grand so he doesn't kill you in 10 years when the whole world's over." And the fact that these people are thinking that way. And to Douglas's credit, he talked about the only things that would matter in that type of scenario where he's like love, trust, you know, lean on each other's safety and things like that. The fact that these people that he's talking with don't even know what that is. Yeah.
57:48>> Those words mean nothing to them.
57:51>> They operate in a world of just this.
57:53>> It's crazy.
57:54>> You know, you got to live with yourself, man. I wish you all the best. But like don't come to us, the people, literally everyone who's not a billionaire, and tell them how how to live their lives, whether that be through dark funding to the government.
58:17Don't tell us how wars need to be fought. And I say all this knowing full well they're going to continue to do these things. But like, I'm just like everyone. I'm I'm sick of it. Like you're not even at some point you're not even human. And like I I even do wonder a guy who I I think has done some really good things in the past and then other times pissing me the hell off with Elon Musk. He's a controversial dude. But I wonder like he said this week his goal is to like make 10 million or 10 trillion. Like why do you need that?
58:50>> Yeah. Now Douglas Rushkoff says it's because he's trying to get off the planet. Him and Bezos. That's what he said specifically because you think it's ending.
59:03You know, I I it's it's dark. It's dark and I and and I don't like it. Go ahead.
59:08>> It's got Red Rising written all over it.
59:10I know you haven't you you were touching it a little bit and reading it, but [ __ ] crazy.
59:15>> That's Pierce Brown.
59:16>> Pierce Brown. Yeah.
59:17>> Yeah.
59:18>> Yeah.
59:19>> Yeah. I'm trying to get into that writing style. His writing style is a little different.
59:22>> Well, you know what? That Red Rising was his first book. So, you'll see by the second book his pros gets a lot better.
59:29But man, gez, makes you wonder.
59:32>> It does make you wonder >> where will we be in like a few hundred years from now.
59:37>> Yeah, guys, I don't like >> pure spec.
59:39>> If you pure respect, >> but like if you know me politically, I'm cynical. Fully admit that. But when it comes to life, I'm an unabashed optimist. Doesn't mean we're not gonna talk about the dark [ __ ] Doesn't mean we're not gonna get pissed off at things. Doesn't mean I'm not gonna shine a light in in the alleyways that need it.
59:59>> But like when I walk out of here, >> I go for walks. The sun is up. I'm happy. I spend time with friends. I go on dates. I have a good time. Like life is life. And I feel so I I don't know. Like I wake up happy to be here. As stressful as like life can be sometimes and the job and everyone out there, you know what I'm talking about. Like it's an amazing thing and you never know when it's going to end.
60:24But if there's one thing I feel bad for these people on, it's that they're never going to know what that is and maybe they never have.
60:32>> Yeah.
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