Data Centers Are ALREADY OBSOLETE & Here's Why! w/ Hakeem Anwar

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14:20I I love that Tucker doesn't let him get away with this.

14:23>> Calling is Iran a terror regime. Watch this. This is great. that the >> United States would cave in to Iran terror regime that controls now also the hormones uh pathway and the terror ring that it created in the Middle East.

14:39Maybe it would be even worse for any citizens in the world, not only in Israel but also in the United States.

14:45And this is exactly what Donald Trump said. He said that United States would have been in danger. So you don't believe Donald Trump?

14:51>> I don't believe Donald Trump. But I also think as an Israeli, you should pause before using the phrase terror regime.

14:57Since you live in a country that just murdered thousands of children in Gaza, we should all pull back a little bit on the >> Wow.

15:06>> So, so this is going out on Israeli television. That's the beauty of this.

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19:47You can tell I'm I'm gonna talk about something.

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19:53>> Hi everybody. Welcome to today's show. I got a cold that's been kicking my ass, but um I think I'm going to be okay.

20:06I think the worst of it is behind me.

20:08The worst of it was Monday and Tuesday.

20:10Woo, that was rough. What's the update on your kidney? People want to know.

20:14>> Get this.

20:15>> I'm supposed to I'm supposed to have a kidney operation on Wednesday, >> next Wednesday.

20:22>> 10th.

20:23>> Oh, or June 10th, sorry.

20:27And uh so he was they scheduled it. The doctor's like he's looking at my CT scan and he goes, "Yeah, there it is." I go, I've been having a lot of pain.

20:41Uh like like a kidney pain like like when I had my kidney attack the first time, but not as bad. And I go, "So, I want to get this out before I have an emergency and I'm on an airplane or something."

20:55And he's like, "Okay, yeah." And he pulls up the CT scan. He goes, "Well, it's it's at the bottom, so it shouldn't" I go, "You know, that's from last year, right?" I go, "That's from last May."

21:07And he's like, Oh, yeah. This is Yeah, you're right. This old. He said, "Uh, well, let's get a new one." I'm like, "Okay, can we schedule the operation?"

21:18And he's like, "Yeah, I'll put it on I'll fasttrack it. I'll tell I'll tell Marissa we'll fast track it." So, Marissa calls me and she gets me in June 10th. Like, okay. It's before I'm going on vacation, which I'm going on vacation in July. I'm like, "All right, as long as it doesn't mess up my vacation, that's good."

21:41He orders another CT scan to get an updated one. I get it.

21:48He's uh I talked to him yesterday, a phone conversation yesterday, phone consultation, telephone, and uh he's like, "Oh, Jimmy, it's not pulling up. Where where'd you get it done?" I go, "I got done at Radneck where you told me to get it done." He's like, "Oh, there's something wrong with the computer. It's not pulling up your CT scan." And I'm like, "Okay." He says, "Well, but uh I'll just give you the because they do their own summary first that the the uh the X-ray people technician or the CT technicians people, they read it and they give a report and then they send it to my doctor."

22:24And he says, "Well, it says that you don't have a kidney stone."

22:27What?

22:29He's like, "Oh, you probably you probably passed it." I go, "Come on, what are the chances?" He said, 'Well, you were having pain, right? I said, 'Yeah, but it wasn't like I'm passing a kidney stone pain. It was like, "Hey, you might be getting ready to pass one."

22:43And um he says, "Uh," he says, "Yeah." He goes, "Well, oh, hang on. Let me try another computer."

22:53He calls me back. He goes, "Yeah, I can't pull it up." He goes, "So, I'm just going to go with the with their conclusion.

23:02And he said, "So we'll cancel your operation." He goes, "We'll give you we're going to give you that other operation, which is a operation on my prostate." I said, "Yeah, I don't need that." Because he gave me Flowmax.

23:12I was having low flow, which is frustrating as hell. And uh so now I take one Flowmax a day and I got regular flow. And I said, "Yeah, the Flowmax worked. I don't want the Oh, by the way, wait till I tell you what he tells me about. He goes, "She's going to give me this operation." He goes, "Yeah, we go in. It's called a Turp and you know, we just take a little bit of your we we widen it out so you can pee better and you don't have this problem." And then he kind of says like, "Uh, I'm like, "Oh, okay." I go, "Is it a big deal?" He goes, "No, it's not a big deal." Then he goes, "Uh, you know, just

23:47that when you ejaculate, it's going to go nothing's going to come out. It's going to go into your >> what >> bladder." I go, "What?"

23:55He's like, "Yeah, you know, it's not a big deal." I go, "What?" He goes, "So now my dick's going to be a whistle.

24:05[snorts] That might might not be a big deal to you, boss. That's a big deal to me."

24:10So anyway, so when he said, "Yeah, we'll just do the turp now instead of doing your kidney." I said, "No, I don't need a turpp because I got the flowmax." He's like, "Okay, well, I'll see you in six months."

24:20So at the Radnet place, they gave me a CD of my scan.

24:25So, I'm going to run that over to him tomorrow. See what happens.

24:32Anyway, I went to Atlanta. So, there So, there you go. There you got the the update on my kidney. According to the people, I don't have a kidney stone. I must have peed. I've been taking medicine that's supposed to shrink it, supposed to help break it up. And apparently that did. apparently.

24:51So, uh, but I don't feel safe without my dad. Anyway, so we went to Atlanta. Uh, the reason why was people were like, "What's going on with Atlanta? Why doesn't Jimmy want to go back to Atlanta?" [laughter] It's because they weren't buying tickets. It's a huge city. I had more tickets sold in Raleigh, which is a much smaller city than Atlanta, than I did. I had 86 tickets sold as of last Wednesday. And I'm like, "What in the f?" I was supposed to do two shows in Atlanta.

25:23And uh so that's why I said, "Hey, this is my one and only time. You want to come see me? Come see me." Well, apparently everybody bought tickets on the last two days cuz we showed up and there was it was almost sold out. It was 267 people showed up. So almost >> What an audience.

25:38>> And it was Well, here here's the here's the Oh, hey, hang on.

25:50Stand by Mike.

25:54[laughter] >> So, here was the end of the show in Atlanta. I'll just show you that.

26:10>> And I love it. And I love you, too.

26:12Thanks for coming out.

26:14>> [cheering] [cheering] >> I love you guys.

26:24[cheering] [applause] [screaming] [cheering] I'm right behind you.

26:43>> Jimmy Door, ladies and gentlemen, Jimmy Door, let him hear it. [cheering] >> So, it turns out all as well as that ends well. So, turns out I will go back to Atlanta. [laughter] Just buy your tickets a little faster next time.

27:00Uh, it wasn't in the city again. It's like, it was like 25 minutes north of the city in a place called Alpharetta, which is a nice suburb. But I was staying in Bucktown, which is right in the heart of Atlanta. I love Atlanta.

27:14Uh the city uh what is going on? I'm trying to wear this thing.

27:25I don't know.

27:28Oh, hook me up.

27:32So anyway, so Atlanta was amazing. So was Raleigh. Raleigh, we got to have dinner with Ray McGovern. He's quite a fellow.

27:41And uh I got a little choked up talking with Ray McGovern, but other than that, anyway, let's get to it. Mike McCrae is here, the world's premier voice impressionist. Hi, Mike. How are you?

27:55>> Hey, Jimmy. I'm good. How are you doing?

27:57Well, I think we know, actually.

27:58[laughter] All right, let's get to it. Huh? Uh, hey, this is Jimmy. Who's this?

28:05>> Hi, Jimmy. This is Texas State Representative James Taler.

28:15Represent Representative Telerico, thanks for calling. Very nice to meet you.

28:21>> Uh, thank you. and and likewise, I'm glad I can be on your show and and hopefully my appearance on your show uh will help lead us to a positive outcome this November.

28:31>> Yeah, sounds great. Uh and even though you were not part of the Texas primary runoff last night, I'm almost compelled to tell you congratulations for the results.

28:43>> Yeah. Uh, a lot of people have been saying that, but but as I I've been replying, we we have a long way to go until November and I will have a lot more things publicly to say uh before we can have the outcome that we want.

28:57>> Okay. Well, it appears that Ken Paxton is preparing a campaign of nothing but lowblow jabs at you. Pretty disgraceful stuff.

29:08>> Oh. Oh, no. Absolutely he is. Clearly.

29:11So his his campaign against me just transparently will absolutely be that I am a wimp and and and basically.

29:19There's no other [laughter] way to put it. I'm sorry whether he's using coded language or explicit language.

29:26>> And that doesn't bother you.

29:28>> No, not one bit. No.

29:29>> Seems to me that type of tactic might actually work in Texas, unfortunately.

29:35>> Oh, absolutely it might. Yes.

29:37>> Like he calls you James Telico.

29:40He says you're a vegan, but you're not, right? You eat meat.

29:45>> Uh, yes, I do eat meat and and other animal products like eggs and cheese in my in my breakfast tacos now rather famously.

29:52>> Oh, well, [laughter] okay. Well, then I I don't uh >> but but but I would like to point out that there is a video of me announcing uh that my campaign is going vegan for moral and climate change reasons.

30:07>> Oh, that's good. and that we had just ordered a nice big vegan pizza for my staff. Uh, also I want to point out in this video I'm wearing a mask.

30:16>> Oh my god. [laughter] >> What?

30:21>> Yeah.

30:22>> But but you aren't vegan yourself.

30:26>> No. And neither is my staff for that matter.

30:28>> Well, why would you do this, [laughter] >> Jimmy? I'm not sure you understand what I've been alluding to this entire phone call. I do not want to win this election.

30:41>> I do not want to be the senator from Texas and I'm doing everything in my power to lose. That video is like from 2020, but I want people to see it now.

30:51>> Oh, wow.

30:53>> Jimmy, have you ever had vegan pizza? If not, let me assure you that is something you give to someone you hate. Half my staff quit that day, and that was my goal.

31:04>> What in the world?

31:06Jimmy, look at literally everything I say. It's almost designed to disgust the average Texan. A vegan political campaign in the state perhaps most associated with beef. Jimmy, I said God was nonbinary.

31:22>> Jesus. Yeah, >> God is non-binary. Now vote for me.

31:28[laughter] >> Do I seem like someone who wants to win in Texas?

31:31>> No.

31:32>> I should certainly hope not. Not if you're wearing your thinking cap.

31:36>> No.

31:36>> Is your thinking cap on?

31:38>> Yep.

31:39>> If so, you will know I am trying to throw this whole thing.

31:43>> But why? What possible motivation would you have to run for office this long but not want to win?

31:50>> Jimmy, I don't really know. I haven't thought that through to be honest [laughter] with you. This is only the first Terico call. I just simply haven't fleshed out the character that much.

32:00>> Oh, [laughter] brother. Wait, hold on.

32:03Uh, I'm I'm getting another call. This is Jimmy Door. Jimmy Door Show. Uh, who is this?

32:10>> Jeremy, it's Barack Obama.

32:12>> Oh, hello, Mr. President. It's uh, you know, >> shut the up, man. James. James, why the you saying this Saying what Mr. President? I'm simply doing what I've always been trying to do, which is not win an election in the state of Texas.

32:28>> When did this start? You seemed all gung-ho about the fight when I came down there to Austin and you and I campaigned together.

32:37Oh, Mr. President, do you hear yourself?

32:40Listen to yourself.

32:43Do you even hear yourself? [laughter] I hear myself fine. God damn it. What the hell is your damn fool ass doing all about? I Whoops. I stood next to former President Barack Obama and ordered a breakfast taco with no meat in it. Who does that image appeal to? Nobody in Texas, I can tell you that much. The only reason I didn't order vegan pizza with you is that I would worry that you'd catch on to what I was doing. You son of a [laughter] If I wanted to win in Texas, I would have ordered a brisket and motor oil taco, standing next to Joe Rogan and Dog the Bounty Hunter, wolfed it down in one bite, and

33:23then shot a cat with a gun.

33:25>> I know my home state, Mr. President. I know what I'm doing. Thanks for coming down.

33:31>> Well, I'll be a son of a You played me, you poor punk ass peckerwood.

33:36I flew coach player. I'm out. Later, Well, that was fun.

33:42>> Wow. Uh, Mr. Telerico, I I must say that you are quite a different character than the one represented in the media.

33:52>> I sure am, Jimmy. And you can get used to hearing a lot more of that. plan on me calling into your show even more, doing whatever I can to tank this whole thing. Uh, but I have to go for now. I have a campaign stop in Amarillo where I'm going to talk about my plan to put puberty blockers into the drinking water so people have no choice but to really think about their gender identity and make a choice before their body begins to change because that's what Texas really Texans really want, choices. Wish me luck, Jimmy.

34:23>> Oh my god. [laughter] Toodaloo.

34:27>> Well, I mean, tood. Who wants to hear that in Texas?

34:31>> Nobody.

34:33>> I know a comedian who actually used to say that. He would say toodles.

34:38[laughter] >> Oh, >> that's worse.

34:41>> That's even worse.

34:42>> Okay. All right. We got to move on. Uh, hey, this is Jimmy Door. Uh, hey, this is Jimmy Door Show. Jimmy speaking. Who's this?

34:54What's up, dudes?

35:00Oh, snap. What?

35:03[laughter] Okay. Hello, Director Patel.

35:07You know, uh, I got to be honest. I'm not sure how to respond to your greetings sometimes.

35:14>> Sick, dude. [laughter] >> Okay. Well, how are you? What What have you been up to?

35:21>> Very little, Jimmy. I'm going to be honest with you. I've not really been doing much of anything job-wise. I've been in front of Congress talking a few times, and that was cool. But as far as solving crimes and banging dimes at all, uh I'm not sure I'm using that phrase right. Uh that aspect has been pretty quiet. No, no cap.

35:40>> Should you be uh I don't know, working?

35:43Why aren't you upfront about your inactivity? Why are you upfront about your activi? Hang on. I >> I'm still getting paid either way, dude.

35:51But that's why I haven't called in like three weeks. I'm not in the news anymore. My ultimate plan has been achieved, dude. They know I'm not really cut out for this position like at all. And they just quietly made it so that underlings actually run the day-to-day operation of the bureau. So I can just sort of chill. Seriously clutch situation. Zero complaints. Trey Bueno.

36:13>> Yeah. Clutch for you. I suppose >> that's only ever what I'm talking about, dude. So, so what are you doing in your office during work hours?

36:24>> You know, personal projects and the like. Uh, I've been researching peptides a lot. Make it into onto [laughter] that tip, that peptide tip >> or not. Depends on how my research turns out, bro. Obs.

36:38>> Okay.

36:40[laughter] But the main thing is I got an agent, dude. How sick is that?

36:46>> An agent for what?

36:49acting, dude. I'm not gonna be if I'm not going to be the actual acting FBI director, then I'm going to be the acting FBI director. You know what I'm saying? I got to think about my options post Trump. You know what I'm saying?

37:02>> Acting? Do you have an acting background that I'm not aware of?

37:07>> No. But what difference does that make?

37:09I have what casting directors crave more than anything else. I'm already famous.

37:14>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] And since I'm already famous for a cool tough guy thing, civil service, I'm going out for tough guy action roles, and I'm going to get them.

37:27>> Oh, yeah. Like what?

37:29>> Well, my agent is confident he can get me in the front door for like the most consequential auditions that are currently happening, which is the next 007.

37:38>> You got to be kidding me. You think you have a chance to be the next James Bond?

37:42Get real.

37:44Okay, hot shot. Can you explain to me why I can't be James Bond? Look, >> it's just you're not you're just not what you know when people think of James Bond, they think uh >> it's because I'm a short dorky Indian, isn't it? [laughter] But you know that you can't say that, dude. No one can.

38:02I'm literally taking advantage of how woke things have become. If the next bod is white, people will literally cry racism. That's how has become, dude. Quite frankly, you'll be lucky if the next bot is a man or at least a sis one. Dude, for really, I'm your best bet. At least I have a dick, dude.

38:22[laughter] >> Okay. All that that aside, you can't act and you're not British. I'm sure they'll at least keep the British part, right?

38:33>> I mean, how hard can a British accent be? Hello, bro. Me is James Bond. Me works for the government. M six and him.

38:42Me and Randy is spies. Hey Lou, want to get a curry in it?

38:46>> I don't think that's James Bond's specific British accent.

38:51>> Yeah, but I'm like South Asian James Bond. You know >> who who's this agent of yours who thinks you could get an audition for James Bond?

39:00>> Brian Libstein.

39:02[laughter] I never heard of him. Who's he with?

39:14>> Uh, Treasury Department, works on securities fraud.

39:18>> Well, he's also a government employee.

39:22>> Yeah, he's building his agency on the side. He's got a big roster of Trump loyalists who want to go Hollywood after all this is over. Plus, he's got a Jewish sounding name. It's all hella legit, dude. I >> I don't know. Remember after reality shows hit big and all them were trying to break into legit acting after. Well, all Trump's loyalty stunt hires like me are going to try and use that spotlight in the same way. It's going to be a new wave. It's us, dude. It's our time.

39:49You'll see, dude.

39:52>> Yeah, sure. You sound delusional to me.

39:56you. You're the delusional one. I'm going to be James Bond. yeah.

40:01>> Why don't you do some actual FBI work instead?

40:05Because there are no crimes happening right now, dude. It's our slow season.

40:09It's not crime time right now. So lay off later, dude. I got to go over these sides. Brian told me to improvise.

40:16Bond enters.

40:19>> Hello, Money Penny. How about you get on this D? Yeah, Burpy, dude. [laughter] Bon tosses his derby hat across the room and lands perfectly on hat rack.

40:31Oh dude. Do I have to do that? I can't do that, dude. dude.

40:37[laughter] I can't do this, man. I can't do this.

40:44>> Okay. [laughter] All right, buddy. Great job as always.

40:48>> I'm not sure he's doing well, man. I'm kind of worried about him.

40:50>> I am worried about him. All right. Great job, Mike McCrae as always. See you at Mike McCrae online. You got any gigs you want to plug?

40:58>> Not right now, but I will next week.

40:59>> Okay. See you next week. We got to run.

41:01Thanks, buddy.

41:02>> All right. Bye, guys.

41:04>> We'll be right back.

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43:59Everybody welcome back. We have special guests with us. Hakeem Anoir is a technologist, entrepreneur, activist who left a corporate software engineering career to focus on the threats posed by technology on personal freedom. He's the founder of Above Agency, which creates privacy first devices like the Above phone and the creator of the #takeback educational initiative. His work empowers individuals to reclaim digital independence through pro privacy open-source software and secure communication services. Welcome to the show, Hake Anoir. How are you doing, buddy? Thanks for coming.

44:38>> Hey, Jimmy. It's good to finally meet you and excited to be here. Thanks for having me on.

44:44>> So, uh, tell tell us what this is all about. What what are the things you're worried about and how does, uh, your technology fix it?

44:53Yeah. So, I wanted to chat with you about the data center issue because I think that's the most important issue we're we're facing right now and I don't think people realize how their phone and laptop fits into it.

45:09>> So, tell me how it fits into it.

45:12>> So, yeah, this for the past six months I've been working on something called the AI data center map. that say list of all the data centers in the United States. You can visit it at a data centermap.org.

45:26>> Here I have it right here. Here it is.

45:28Right. So tell me what I'm looking at.

45:31>> Yeah. So in 2025, uh, six companies spent $2.5 trillion on data center projects. That's project Stargate, OpenAI, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Meta, and then everyone else piled on. uh this is you know speculation or greediness from these other real estate developers.

45:50So everyone jumped into data centers and what we're looking at now is that um from data from this map which I believe to be the most comprehensive resource on the subject we're looking at 384 hyperscalers that have already been built uh using about 10% of the total US power demand and and that's at a low floor and we're only about uh halfway through this buildout. There are another 300 data centers planned.

46:20>> And so what what are the so you you're saying that the data centers that are already built are now using 10% of the power in the United States.

46:31>> Yeah, that's the floor. They probably use more. But yeah, so there's there's 35% of these already built data centers I I don't have data for. So um this map is to help crowdsource that information.

46:45So yeah, out of the 300 that are remaining to be built, the AI power use will quadruple and then at that point it'll get to 40% of the US power supply.

46:57>> But uh I Kevin Oli tells us that they're building their own power plants around these data centers. What do you say to that?

47:06>> I I have lots of doubts about that. Um one, it's impossible to build so much power. It simply it simply cannot happen, right? Um already we're looking at the amount of data centers that are already built that would be 12 full-size nuclear plants to power it. So realistically, yeah, they'll offset some of the electricity. A lot of these uh developers are are building on-site nuclear or hydroelectric or all these different things, but in reality, they're going to be pulling from the grid, too. And we're already seeing uh major backups in grid interconnection.

47:43So in the Northeast, we're seeing the wholesale power costs triple actually and we're also seeing that in Urkott. So it's impossible to say that they'll offset it with uh with the power they build. And you know you have uh so the ones in red according to this uh there's this is where the current water stress are. So if it's red, it's a severe water stress. And if it's like yellow, it's mild. So it doesn't say, first of all, why do they need all this water? How do how does water cool a data center? Why can't they just use air conditioning?

48:23>> That's a really good question. Yeah. So like the the bad guys here, the ones we should be scared of are these hypers scale data centers. And before before these AI data centers, we used to run everything on normal data centers which used a reasonable amount of power. So just to give you some perspective, a server rack in a conventional data center used about five kilowatts. Uh so a hypers scale server rack uses about 20 times as much. And the reason it uses so much power is because these AI chips have billions of transistors inside them. Um so the Nvidia Blackwell popular professional AI chip has 200 billion

49:03transistors inside of it. So these these AI chips each of them are performing a trillion trillion calculations per second. Uh these things get so hot at full load it's comparable to the surface of the sun. So you know they've got to cool that down somehow and that's why they're using all this power and water.

49:23>> But like so what do they do? They spray it with water. I don't understand what the where the water comes in.

49:29>> Well, yeah. So, they they pull it from the ground or they pull it from directly from municipalities. They usually have contracts municipalities and what they do is there's different cooling systems, but essentially they um output the heat and um have water nearby so that it heats up the water and then they just cycle the water out through cooling towers and they just let it evaporate and disappear into the atmosphere. Now a lot of these data centers are now saying they have closed loop systems but in reality we just have to take their word on it because uh there aren't any companies there aren't any companies

50:06that are fully even metering their water use. So they say hey we've got these new efficient cooling technologies and I say okay let's put a water meter on that that everyone can see how much your water uh how much water you're actually using. When I looked at Google's transparency report, uh, which Google's supposed to be the most transparent, I found this little, uh, thing in the fine print. Let me bring it up one second.

50:33So, this is, you can see here, water withdrawal is based on actual Oh, your your microphone cut out, Hakee. Your your mic cut out.

50:55Check. My audio should still be coming in.

50:58>> Now it is. It's coming in now. Okay. Go ahead.

51:01>> Okay. Sorry about that. [clears throat] See, can you still hear me?

51:04>> Yeah, I got I still have you.

51:07>> So, just in this fine print, they're saying that, hey, the water withdrawal is based on meter data when it's available. uh at the offices where it isn't available, we we do estimates.

51:18Now, the thing is, all right, fine. U metering isn't available all the time, but if you look at these transparency reports, they don't tell you which ones are metered and which ones aren't. It could literally be one data center that's metered. So, when they say that, hey, we're using new efficient cooling technology, it's like, okay, show me the proof that you're not using millions of gallons a day, which is what academics estimate. That's what looks to be on point to me. And so, okay, so what is your plan?

51:49>> Good question. So, you know, the the companies that are behind this, Microsoft, Amazon, Meta, Google, Apple, they account for 41% of this data center growth, they're the main companies pushing it. And the CEOs all want to have the biggest and baddest AI fleet, but no one asked for this. So, it's they're on a massive ego trip. These are risky decisions. And uh it's not even hard to see that these projects are going to fail. So China already went through their their boom in 2023 and 2024 and 80% of their data centers are sitting empty. The MIT was reporting that this past year. So it's disgusting.

52:28But what ends up happening is we're still all using these companies products. Their search engines, the social media, the phones and laptops with AI embedded in them. And there's no way to turn it off. this this is the new normal. It's all a part of the tech that you use. So when I talk with people about this issue, you know, they tell me they're emphatically against data centers, but they don't realize they've already made a choice to justify the existence. So for me, the solution is a personal choice. And you know, this is really important to say right off the bat um because a new Wired article came

53:02out just the other day and it shows that the FBI and local law enforcements are now uh suspecting anti- AI activists and you know they're on watch list now at US Fusion Centers. So I have to make this really really clear. I don't believe in violence. I don't believe in sabotage.

53:17That's not the way we're going to fix this. It's all of our own personal choices and awareness that we can bring to each other. This is a peaceful solution we need to pick. And what is the solution?

53:28>> The solution is is one to replace all of our reliance on these big tech platforms to not use your social media, to not use their phones and laptops because they're spending billions of dollars on this stuff and it is harvesting your data.

53:42So, you know, on on a normal Google phone today, you have Google Gemini, which can't be turned off. It is hoovering from what you're typing in on the keyboard to your emails that are coming in. Apple intelligence is doing the same thing on their end. So if you cut them off from their data, there's really no point to having a data center.

54:00So it will take a massive movement for people to replace the reliance. But there are solutions. Uh the above phone has been around for five years now. It's a popular dooled phone that I'm sure your audience has has heard of in some way. And um I'm calling for everyone to ditch their big tech devices, throw them out and replace them with better better stuff. So, you're saying that uh I should get rid of my my iPhone and use an above phone?

54:29>> Yes. Or something or something like it, right? Like these the these doled phones are uh they do everything a normal phone can do. In fact, I'll bring it up on the screen here.

54:43>> Well, this would this would this would make you the new Elon Musk if everybody switched over to your phone, right?

54:49[laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I don't think so because because the way the products are are designed is to reduce people's reliance. They're they're they're local first, right? So, you know, Elon's made some big moves this year to make uh X's API private and to charge for that info.

55:08Everything we're doing at Above is open source and self-hostable, which means that even though we run it on our data center and it's ran very private, it's anything that you can do, you can take it home, you can do it yourself. And I think the communities of the future are going to be responsible for their own services, their own internet services.

55:25So this is what the phone looks like, right? It's no different than a normal phone, but um you have alternatives for everything, right? I could go to Newipe and I could watch the Jimmy Door show here and actually I can I can listen to it without ads. So there aren't ads on uh anything um that you see on this app and you can even download the video directly to your phone. Right? So this is how we start breaking down the middleman and having less reliance on them and actually keep the data on our own devices where it belongs.

55:56>> So instead of using you the YouTube app, you use a different app on your bum phone to watch YouTube videos.

56:07>> Yeah, that's a big part of it. you know there's there's one the operating system which we we'll talk about that but basically removing the reliance of Google and Apple services for everything and then there's also the apps that you use normally if you use an app I'll just use an example here we'll go to this application store called the Aurora store and we're going to log in anonymously because we don't even need any sort of account to log into it and then we can uh you can still get all the apps that you would normally use here.

56:38But um to give you an example of what you would find on a normal app is is a bunch of trackers. So you go in here and you scroll down and you see that there's nine additional companies within this application. Uh nine additional companies. So you know Google branch Facebook and so when you use Above phone you're actually using alternative apps which are completely open source. They don't have these thirdparty companies in them. and they don't have this hidden nasty stuff. So yeah, it's it's all about what the apps and software don't have.

57:14Uh I I'd never heard of this. Uh and you know I'm in this space so that's wild.

57:22Has anybody here ever heard of this?

57:24>> I haven't heard of it but I have a question. I'm curious like how is somebody not going to come in and just buy it from you? How are they not just go hey you know what I want to take you over. How are you not going to get you know >> Yeah. Like, so like if Google offers you $20 billion, are you going to say no?

57:39>> I'm going to say no because that's that's my karma. And um I I honestly don't need that much money. You know, this this company is doing well. I started it with $3,000 in my pocket in 2021. And our mission is to our mission is to support people and stay independent. So um there is no outside investors with a with a stake or voting rights and we want to keep it that way because that's how this should be done.

58:03So like the whole reason I even started this AI thing is because our customers were asking us to build an AI service.

58:09Now we're already running an email service, calendar, video conferencing and a search engine, file sharing and more. But I started to look into this AI service. So that's why we're doing it.

58:20And um it's it's a human effort, right?

58:22I'm not saying that what I'm asking people to do today is easy. There's it's like moving a house. You do have to move over all this data. And God knows Google and Apple don't make it easy. They are very threatened. So they make it a walled garden that's hard to escape. But um just through people power, through the people in this company and through our educational guides and resources, we make it as easy as possible. And at the end of the day, it's worth it. So um if Google approached me for $20 million, I wouldn't take it because there's a mission that matters more.

58:54>> 30 million. No billion. [laughter] I mean, they bought Instagram for$20 billion dollars. they would just give them a they have unlimited resources.

59:02So, uh >> are do these phones right now cost like on average about $1,500? What's the average phone cost?

59:10>> Yeah, good question. Um the cheapest phones started around 7 800 bucks and um the newest generation of phones cost the newest generation of phones cost about a,000 and then our most expensive phones cost like what you were saying 1,600 bucks or so.

59:29So, if I buy the phone, does it come with all these app? So, I don't I if I buy the above phone, I don't ever have to use a YouTube app and I can still have all the uh YouTube videos I want to watch and all the same kind of interaction that I have normally on YouTube.

59:46>> Good question, Jimmy. Yeah. So, so because you're not logging in, you can't do stuff like commenting, but you can still consume all the videos. Um and uh yes. So yeah, it's just as easy as as getting the phone. You have different apps that you use. And if you really want to, you can install the official YouTube app, too. But by default, it it doesn't even support it. You would have to go ahead and install additional things for it to be able to work. So this is a phone that for first first of all, there's no ads on it. So God, what a improvement that is to your your your psychology, your psyche. Um, but there's

60:23also it's not feasible to do things like run digital ID on it. There's simply those services don't exist. That also means things like, you know, Google wallet don't exist. Um, and so there there this is just something to know as you move over to to this phone. It leaves all the crappy stuff behind, but you can still use most of the apps you want.

60:44So what if what if I want to do so if I want to do a a like a a search normally I would do a Google search or I would use duckgo uh what would I use on your phone?

60:57>> Yeah. So let me search for you Jimmy.

61:00This is a part of our search engine.

61:04And what you can do is this is a a meta search engine. So, if you can see it, um, you can actually go in and you can pick what search engines you want to search from. So, our search engine sits in between you and the other search engines and you can just enable which ones you want. So, all right. Um, Google's giving me shitty results. So, I'm going to turn that off and I'm going to turn on Brave and Duck.Go and Moique and Pre-Search. And now I can just work with these. Save that. And now I can search for Jimmy Door.

61:38And it works just like a normal search engine, but this is a way to keep it private. Um, and there's also no ads coming through. Don't you hate those ads that end up in your search results? So, it filters those out. It keeps you private and it gives you more information than you normally have access to.

61:54>> And so it you and it doesn't track you at all.

62:00>> That's right. Yeah. Yeah, I mean everything we do at Above is is privacy first. Privacy by default. So we run these software services on our own data center. It's our own data center. We're not using third parties.

62:12>> How where do you get where do you get your power and water for your data center? [laughter] >> That I can't tell you. That's a secret.

62:20Um and through through a power company.

62:23Yeah. Through a power company. And and the data center at least our particular infrastructure in this data center does not use water. it's all air cooled. And so, uh, going back to the AI data centers, you know, there's there's a threshold you have to cross before you can't use air to cool them anymore. And it's pretty dangerous. And also to be fair that like anytime you use power for anything, you are using water. It takes water to generate power, right? To cool the infrastructure, whether it's geothermal or or nuclear or coal or whatever it is, it takes power. So to be fair, it probably does use some water,

63:00but it doesn't use water in the same way AI data centers do. And we don't have an AI service yet.

63:06>> So if this really works the way you say it does and people start using it, you know, they will come and crush you, right?

63:18I think I think um I think there's a lot of good people who have the same idea right now. I'm just I'm I'm just one person and there are a lot of people having the same idea and that's what I think is going to be the difference here. This is people power right now.

63:32You have um these data center developers who are literally spending trillions of dollars and they're going up against communities. Well, this is the same thing. You know, these ideas are what's important. Um everything we're doing, we're not creating reliance on us. We are simply gutting it, making it easy to use open- source software that anyone can get out there. So, we have our own custom additions of things. Our phones and laptops are so easy. You just turn them on, you can start using them right away. U for a lot of people, it's very hard to ask them to use Linux and get them to start working with it. But our

64:06our products make it easy. And um we're just one of many. So, it's like anything that we do, we can open source and make available to everyone. So, >> so I kind of recognize my piece of the puzzle.

64:16>> So, if a lot of people start using the above phone, you'll have to add more data centers, right?

64:24>> You would you would think so. Um but but so like here's the thing. Um so like Microsoft and Google, these giant companies with billions of users a piece, we're talking like a sizable chunk of the entire world. They were running all of their infrastructure on uh four gigawatts. Four gigawatts. Now, you know, you've been you've been following you've been following the data center news. So, you probably know place like Kevin Olirri's data center is 9 gawatt. So, already this one data center is using more power than the global footprint of Google and Microsoft combined. Yeah. Like, you know, I think

65:05as if these open-source ecosystems grow, there will be a power usage, but it's insignificant. It's It shouldn't even be compared to these AI data centers who are a whole another beast.

65:15>> Wh what why would your data centers use significantly less power? Is it is it because most of the data centers that are being built are used for surveillance and you're not going to be doing that? Is that the reason?

65:29>> That's that's part of it. You know, it's a conventional data center. So, it's like um it's not an AI data center. Um all of these uh new hypers scale data centers that are being built exist for one reason only to process pabytes of data. So we're talking like all of the content on the internet or maybe all the real-time footage coming in from all the cameras, right? It's meant to handle this scale of data. So a conventional data center like let's say you're running one for updates of a phone.

65:59You're not going to need you you you do not need that much compute. You do not need that much storage. For instance, you know, the Netflix data centers, every all the traditional technology we were using pre2023 was running on these data centers just fine. The entire earth was running just fine before AI came along.

66:19>> So I can I can get your computer, I can get your phone, I can get all the net I get my Netflix subscription. I can get that.

66:30>> Absolutely. Yeah, you can still you can still use your your big tech apps. you know, I don't encourage people to use them, but if they really need to, they can. I also am going to show you one more thing. Um, but yeah, you can still use the apps that you use. Let me see.

66:46Let me find you. Netflix here.

66:49Pull that still up.

66:52Netflix.

66:59See? Boom. There's the Netflix app. You can you can get it on the phone if you want. You may have to install Google services for this particular app, but it's a much safer version of Google services than you would normal have normally have on a phone that would usually have God mode on it. So, yeah, there's ways to get the stuff you want.

67:18Obviously, there's some lifestyle choices you can make, but you know, you're not uh you're not completely cut off from the things you do dayto-day.

67:28>> Okay. uh what what is there a downside to this?

67:35>> Yeah. So people people moving from iPhones will have to give up their the FaceTime and iMessage and I know a lot of people struggle with that. So we we did build alternatives, right? We have this uh encrypted messaging app that you can use. Um and so this is a service called XMPPP. It's a software called XMPPP and it already does Excuse me.

67:59Sorry, it's coming back online.

68:03>> I Okay, >> I would be I would be scared if I was you. That's that's all. Why you look at me like that stuff?

68:11>> I'm trying to be positive. I know. I understand what you're saying. So innovative.

68:16>> Look what they did to the crypto people at the beginning of crypto. They put him in jail. There's a guy we just interviewed. He's still on house arrest with an ankle monitor cuz he was doing crypto and the people who run the world were afraid of it at the time. Well, now they're all getting into crypto yet they still have those guys in jail. So, you don't you don't think they're going to jail this guy? This [laughter] guy?

68:36>> It hasn't, you know, it's run through my mind. I was actually at this event um uh fundraising for the defense of the six or seven people that are now in prison for for riding software. And all I can say is that I trust in I trust in God and I [laughter] trust in my guardian angels, you know, that's all I can really hope for, but I'm just kind of doing what what what I'm called. And [clears throat] uh yeah, to to to share this. So like this is this is just software. This stuff has existed for 20 years. You know, if I bring it up again, it's like if is that really worth jailing me for? I think it'd be pretty

69:12funny. Um but I I hear your point. Trust me, it's this. I've thought about it a lot. So, this this is a uh this is a chat protocol that could replace Telegram or WhatsApp. So, you can actually send images. You can you can record voice messages. Hey, I'm live on the Jimmy Door Show right now. Check me out on my offline voice keyboard.

69:35>> And so, the the people you would be texting with, you know, that they would also have to have one of these phones. They could they have a regular phone or it's only going to work on your phone?

69:49>> Yeah, great question. Yeah, so they can use a regular phone. There are some services. So, I just showed you XMPPP.

69:56That's the chat protocol. You'd have to have an account for that, but it does work on iPhone and it is free. So, you could get your iPhone friend on on it really easily.

70:06So if I had the above phone and I had your texting app and I texted someone and they didn't have that app, they wouldn't receive that text.

70:19>> So let So there's there's a solution for everything, right? So this is um this is a messaging service that allows for endto-end encrypted communication. So that's one way to communicate. You know, Jimmy, it's like, you know, using Signal or or WhatsApp. It's like another flavor of that that's that's more private. And then if you actually want to have a phone number attached to it, you can do that, too. We we bridged this with a we partnered with another company that bridges these chats out to the phone network. So now you can pick your US or Canada number. You can see I have Eve's number here, right? It kind of looks

70:53like that. So, you get to pick your own number and then for $5 a month, you can send international texts and have uh make international calls with the same exact number, except instead of using the normal phone app on your phone, you use this app and you use a dialer. Um, you can do everything that you would normally uh need to with a phone. You could do group texts. Uh people can leave you voicemails and yeah, I mean, it's $5 a month, so you can actually save on your phone bill. The last thing is is because this works over the internet, you know, the initiation is over the internet, you don't need a SIM

71:26card in your phone. So now you can have a normal phone number, but then you can have also have this one on top of it. So there are, sorry to complicate things, but there is a solution for everything.

71:38>> So [snorts] the answer is yes. So somebody who doesn't have an above phone or any of those apps, they can still call me on my above phone and they can still text me.

71:48>> Totally.

71:48>> And they can still text me.

71:50>> Totally. Yeah.

71:51>> Absolutely. And you know, that's a good thing to mention like whatever service you're using is it's if it's one of the big guys like T-Mobile or Verizon, you can bring that service over to the Above phone. You just take your SIM card and you plug it in and then it's activated on this phone.

72:07>> Okay.

72:08>> All right. This is going to sound silly, but my friend, she was just talking to me. I know this is going to sound silly.

72:12She says that she wants to be a spy. Is this the kind of phone that would give them the kind of privacy necessary?

72:21>> Oh, silly.

72:21>> I know it does, but I I really want to know.

72:24>> I want to be a spy, too. Yeah. Uh, absolutely. Like, this is this is the highest level of security and privacy that you can get as a consumer. Like unless you're in like a unless you are a spy, you're probably using a different phone. But frankly, the the companies that are paid millions of dollars to break into phones um and they advertise themselves to law enforcement cannot break into this phone. They literally don't advertise that they can that um they can do anything to this phone because it's impossible. But they do advertise they can break into Samsung's.

72:57They do advertise they can break into iPhones and Google phones.

73:00>> So yeah, this is the highest level of security you can get.

73:04Okay.

73:04>> Okay.

73:06>> So, wow. It's it's it sounds revolutionary and groundbreaking.

73:11Um we'll see. We'll see what happens. I have um I have something I want to run past you to get your comment on it. Um there's a guy who's invented a super small supercomput. Have you heard about this? Um so this comes from Starmex.

73:27Nvidia quietly dropped a $249 box that replaces your $200 a month Open AI subscription with just $2 in electricity. It's called the Jetson Orin Nano Super. It's smaller than a wallet.

73:43Runs at 25 watts. It does 70 trillion AI operations per second. runs Llama 3, Mistl, Gemma, and DeepSeek locally with no API fees and no data leaving your house. A developer running uh automations and coding assistance pays $200 a month to OpenAI. The same workload on this box costs $2 a month in electricity and breaks even in 10 weeks.

74:12Uh so let me just show you. Here's a quick video.

74:16Ladies and gentlemen, our brand new AI computer.

74:21Look at this. I think I might have cooked it a little bit too long. It shrunk. The little tiny Jetson Nano.

74:30This is a brand new Jetson Nano Super.

74:35Almost 70 trillion operations per second.

74:3925 watts and $249.

74:45It runs everything that the HGX does. Uh even runs large language models and uh can't wait for all of you to try it.

74:52It's available everywhere.

74:55>> What What tell me what is he talking about and is that real? I guess it is.

75:01It's from Nvidia. And is will that replay what is this? That sounds like super revolutionary too, right?

75:11>> Yeah. what what you're what you're seeing right now is why data centers are largely obsolete and we're not going to need them anymore, right? Let's look at um so so products like those like when that comes out that's definitely going to be huge. But the thing is that people don't realize is you can start using AI right now. It can run on your local device. It can run on our phones and laptops, too. So, I'll I'll demo that for you in a second. But, um, this is exactly what what China has already learned. Um, because of all of the limitations and export controls that the US put on China, they had to learn how

75:50to be very efficient. And so, in China, 600 million people are already using AI, right? More people uh more people use AI in China than use the internet in the United States. and they do it through local AI services, right? They're using they're running AI on their computers, whatever they have around the house. So, absolutely, new products like these are going to replace our reliance for these cloud services.

76:15So, so why so why why would these people like you know Kevin Oly and and Mark Zuckerberg, these billionaires, the richest people in the world, why would they be investing trillions of dollars into data centers if they already are obsolete?

76:36I have I have four theories.

76:39Um the theories just I'll I'll briefly tell you about them. One is that they're really dumb and they're incompetent and they're greedy. And honestly, that's a pretty pretty valid reason. Like a lot of Chinese investors did the same thing.

76:54They didn't know what they were doing and they were just jumping on the new hype train because they were desperate uh after the lockdowns and and hurting economically from that. Secondly is the AI cyber war which uh Kevin Olirri has, you know, that's what he does when he doesn't have any response. But would you rather China get their hands on this?

77:14And I mean, unfortunately, Kevin's not the only one saying that. You know, the US National Institute of Standards and Technology is also uh posturing like there's going to be a cyber war with China. Um the CEO of Enthropic, arguably the best um proprietary AI model in the world, is also saying the same thing. we have to we have to make sure we defend ourselves before China gets access to fully autonomous cyber attacking AI. So um there's there's that theory. There's also the programmable economic warfare which is like the aspect of these data centers being able to pull power and water um programmably, right? So you

77:59could go do it do it during a hunter summer heat wave and you could cause outages for people and there's a profitering um there's a profitering motive here. You know the power companies the water company the municipalities make more money when this happens. Everyone bills everyone's bills go up but it's also a way to tune the environment from this uh data rollout.

78:21And the last thing of course is is the surveillance state.

78:26So there's there's a number of theories and I think they're all they're all fairly valid. Jimmy, what do you what do you think is the main reason for them?

78:34>> Uh well, [clears throat] I think the data centers are there to have us under 247 surveillance uh to be able to do predictive crime uh stuff uh to and that's why they're also put $80 billion into ICE prisons and a new police force called ICE. They're not there to deport illegal immigrants because we all know they're not doing that. And they want the illegal immigrants in the United States because they want to have cheap labor. And so they're there to put us in prison when we start to attack their data centers and we revolt against the 24-hour surveillance. As I've said before, uh the United States is we have all the

79:15surveillance, all the bad stuff that because we don't live in a democracy. We live in an oligarchy and we get what they want. We get the wars they want, we get the surveillance they want, and we're like China, except we have more street crime and slower trains. So, um, >> that's what I think the AI data centers are there for. But if they have this, they won't need them and they and they can still do all that stuff. So, it still doesn't make sense that they can't be that dumb, right? Cuz somebody will just come along and replace them. If everybody could just get this super computer for 250 bucks, everybody it'll

79:53just replace it. Just >> Is this too good to be true or is this real?

79:58>> No, it's real. It's real. I mean, all right. So, I I want to respond to what you said, too. But I just want to show you this this laptop that that we have.

80:06This is already there. I mean, you know, people probably have similar laptops.

80:10This is a um I'm about to show you an AI model that has been trained on the majority of the natural health and survival books. So, let's say, hey, I'm in the southwestern desert and I got uh I got cut open by a cactus. What herbs can I use to soothe the wound in this area? You can literally ask.

80:45Yeah. So, it's just going to go ahead and and tell me one, how to take care of the wound, and then two, it's going to tell me give me a breakdown of um a bunch of native plants to the Southwest.

80:57Here we go. Aloe vera, juniper berries, raw honey, and and so like this AI is already so powerful. And again like what I'm showing you if this is not connecting to the internet. This is already running on your machine. This is a bit of a powerful computer that I'm using. This is our above book quantum series which has a built-in GPU. So it's running really really fast. But people have this hardware already. And I do think that's a part of why these things are getting built out so fast. They want people to use their AI before they realize they can run it primarily on their own computers.

81:32This seems like quite a quite an unbelievably expensive gamble to make when they already know it's obsolete.

81:40That it really seems it seems crazy. So, there has to be another reason that they're they're making these AI data centers and why they're, you know, um they're they're not only putting so much money into it, but so much energy into it. And um >> and displacing so many >> Yeah. displacing people. Anyway, >> um I I think the surveillance theory is is like it's it's the highest up there.

82:09And and just to share with you like looking into the future, China's a little bit ahead ahead of us on technology at least, right? I think that's okay to say that. And they have one of the most sophisticated surveillance systems on earth. Um so they are able to monitor the internet and also their what is it like 1 something billion cameras.

82:35Um, I'm sorry, not not not billion cameras, but there's millions and millions of cameras. And I think the ratio in the big cities of cameras to humans is 1.16 cameras per human. And even cha China's system is not real time. So it it's not watching everyone simultaneously. It's not doing that.

82:56They can pick people to target and then it's looking for those people in the cameras. It's it's doing live reporting, but it's not watching everyone at the same time. I agree with you in that building so much compute power um even more than China, even more than anyone ever needs, could be a way to build the surveillance state.

83:16>> Well, couldn't they just use this tiny little computer for a surveillance state? Like I'm saying, if this little tiny computer does the work of a giant data center, we are we all worrying about nothing that these data centers are just going to go away naturally anyway because of this new Nvidia supercomputer that does 70 trillion calculations a second.

83:40>> Yeah. So, so I want to share something that um how these proprietary, you know, when when he's talking about like um chatbt subscriptions and claude subscriptions, the the stuff that is running in the data centers is not the same stuff that would run on the Jetson and on this computer for example. Um when you're running a model on your machine that is just one uh large language model agent, right? when you're running uh something from a cloud provider like OpenAI or Claude, there are there's a lot more going on behind the scenes. There's multiple agents talking to each other.

84:17There's uh agents that are researching online, that kind of thing. And it's also trained on like the corpus of the entire world's knowledge. It's kept up to date, right? So, your um your local AI box will probably it'll have the knowledge of current events up to a point, but it's not going to have real- time knowledge. it uh it's not going to be as sophisticated, but it will work and you can build some pretty cool stuff using it.

84:44>> So, you think we'll still have data centers even though we have this super cool new super small computer?

84:51>> I'm not I'm not a I'm not a a purist, but I do think we could get rid of 90% of our AI data centers. And just to be just to be completely upfront with you, I used AI to help me build this map. Um, so this map you're seeing here, it's kind of ironic, but uh, yeah, some of it was built using cloud AI and it and it helped me a good amount. And so the thing is I I don't think like AI is inherently evil, but um, I also think that we're probably building 20 times too much. So if you ask me, you know, if we got rid of all of these data centers in the southwest, which are under tremendous stress already, uh, there's

85:32severe water depletion there because there's no water. There there's one of there's a century, you know, event happening as far as drought >> in the west happening right now. And the lake meat is dried up, Lake Powell, uh the Colorado River, the whole it's all it's a way more dire thing than people realize is happening right now. Uh so I don't this all seems like a big fup.

86:02There could be there could be a lot of smarter choices used. Yeah. Like you've got it spot on, right? Like why don't we get rid of all the data centers in the southwest and stick to more waterrich areas uh like the southeast or even the Pacific Northwest. These places the north the north is a lot cooler. So like that's one way you you do a data center in a cool place, it won't be as hard to cool. In fact, you might not even need to cool it at all. Right? So these are like very common sense things that that these uh people planning these things could do but uh they're not and and they are overbuilding. So what I'm showing

86:38you on the screen is uh you can actually overlay major US aquifers and see where they are in the data centers. So like you know there's a definite relationship. These things are sitting right over the aquifers. Um, and that's an important part of it because in some states like Texas and Indiana, you can pump as much water as you want from an aquifer and there's no legal consequence at all.

87:01>> Oh, okay. So, it's not like the citizens own the water. It's like whoever decides to go grab it can grab it.

87:08>> It depends what state you're in. There's like four legal uh systems that the US uses and and the most extreme is the absolute dominion which only Texas uses by the way in unadulterated form. So this is the uh Ogalala aquifer and this is where um the fermy or project matador which is the the largest planned um data center in existence. Uh it's think they want 17 gigawatts which is just absolutely crazy. So yeah, it's it's sitting on Ogalala and and data centers in Texas can use as much water as they want, which makes it really really dangerous for anyone nearby.

87:49Okay. Uh well, I won't be wearing that supercomputer as a pager. I'll tell you that. I'm not going to put it on my belt if you know what I mean. [laughter] Come on. Uh anyway, all right. Well, uh, this is I've understood, uh, almost 10% of what we're talking about and, uh, so I appreciate you everybody. Uh, it so, so if I go get one of these phones in a computer, it it I I'll I'll be able to master it easily and then I'll have complete anonymity from uh, being tracked by Google and they won't know my porn searches and stuff like that. Is that what you're saying?

88:28[laughter] Yeah, it'll it'll protect you from your your porn searches and uh most of most of what you do on your phone, right?

88:37It's gonna it's going to cut off that tracking layer. And I just want to make you feel at ease is that, you know, we've got real human support. We haven't replaced our support people with AI. So, um, if you get a phone or laptop from us, we actually sit on call with every one of our customers, give them a free call and help them move all their data over from their phone and teach them how to use the the new one and, uh, yeah, just just support people. So, um, I think we've got a page up for you guys at abovephone.com/jimmy.

89:09>> Okay, so it's it's above.com, I guess. And, uh, good luck.

89:14>> And I can't be tracked when I use this.

89:16So, so that's the thing like so they know where I am at all times, right?

89:22Because if I have my phone with me, they know where I am. Even if I turn off my phone, they still know where I am, right?

89:29>> Yeah. So, so two two questions there, like being tracked at all times. So like modern phones today, they use something called Wi-Fi positioning systems, which the Wi-Fi network in your house, your neighbor's house, across the street, modern phones are constantly using those to get you super accurate info. Like they can tell where you are within feet, right? So modern phones use that. Our phone does not. It doesn't even have Google and Apple in the loop. Um you turns out you can use GPS just from the satellite. You don't have to send data out to anyone out there. And so that's what our phone uses. So yeah, you do cut

90:05Google and Apple off. Now, there's other things you should do like uh replace your other devices as well. But um this is a really good start and it does cut you off from the location and the advertising.

90:16>> Okay. All right, Hakee Anoir, appreciate you coming on. Wow.

90:19>> What's the website again?

90:20>> This seems revolution. It's above.com, right?

90:24>> Aboveone.com.

90:26And we've got some special deals available for people at abovephone.com/jimmy at um love to support and chat with you.

90:33There's a little chat with us button at the bottom right if you want to talk to our team. We're on Monday through Friday 9to5 and yeah really want to thank you guys for uh giving me the opportunity to share with you.

90:44>> Okay. Well, I'm not being paid you're not you do not purchase any advertising on this show. I'm not being paid to talk about this. I just want people to know.

90:53So, I'm not there's no uh there's no remuneration happening here. I'm not being paid to do that. I don't have a financial interest in interviewing you.

91:03I just trying to get the information out to the people. I want them to know that.

91:07>> Okay. All right.

91:08>> Abs. Absolutely.

91:09>> Uh uh great to talk to you. I'm sure we'll talk again soon >> on the phone.

91:13>> On the phone, baby.

91:15[laughter] >> All right, brother.

91:16>> Thanks, Jimmy. Yeah, it's been a pleasure. Um really really appreciate everything you do and the comedy you bring to the situation and and uh yeah um thanks everyone for watching.

91:26>> Okay, over to Steph.

91:27>> All right, that was terrific. Um who wants to get one? I certainly do. You know, you've been reading all these articles about how we have to how do we resist how do you resist what's happening in the world right now? And you know, I I don't go on Facebook.

91:44when I do, it's just awful. Why would I want to go on Facebook? And I know once upon a time if it was a way for you to stay in contact with people. I've contacted everybody that I ever want to stay in contact with. I don't need to go back on Facebook. I have the people on Facebook are on their on their 14th booster and still wearing masks. How about that?

92:05>> I'm not kidding. I bet you they have they're wearing a mask as they're on Facebook. [laughter] >> I think I'm going to start doing that.

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93:58Back to Stephie Z. Yes, we had a great time in Atlanta. That was fun. Really, really fun. So many wonderful people that we meet when we're on the road. And Raleigh was just fantastic. I just I can't tell you how much fun we had. And it's always like it's always stressful to travel. For me, it is. Jimmy's a pro about doing it. Um it's just like taking care of our dog when we're away and missing all that stuff. But it was tons of fun and uh I just want to thank everybody. And we got an interesting uh note. Let me see if I can find this note. Shoot, where is it? Um I'll find it on the next read. Um but there's a

94:38dude that met a woman at one of our shows and he's in love with her and he wants to contact her. So I I'll I'll share that in a in a moment. The next break that we take. Sandre Google bought Fitbit a while ago. When I logged into my Fitbit app today, it had done a major update and become Google Health. It now tracks social history and vaccines under medical category. What?

95:11I don't want anything tracking me. I I want to be unttrackable. That's what I want to be. I want to be like I'm living in the early 90s. You know what I mean, Why use the language like that, Steph? I don't know. It's because I listen to my my new inspiration.

95:33Steph Z, please update us on Jimmy's medical condition. Sound chaser. I made sure that he did that at the beginning of the show. Hold on. I got Where is it?

95:41Hold on. Oh, why do I always lose my That's not a euphemism for anything either. Hold on. Got to do it lightly.

95:50>> We stand for you.

95:54>> Hey Jimmy, former Trumper now more libertarian/ centrist. I can't wrap my head around what the socialism and communism is the government controlling the means of production. How do you square that? I can't remember.

96:12>> So if you go to China, >> oh, show Jimmy, >> China has has capital, they have markets, they have uh the government doesn't own all the business. So this is this is the everybody when people hear socialism or communism, they think old Soviet Union.

96:32>> Yeah. That's all I ever heard of.

96:33Goolags. What are you into gouags?

96:35>> And that [clears throat] they're going to they're going to make all everything the government. So if you want to get a refrigerator, the government's going to make it. Or a car. That's not how it is in China. That that's not how it is in the that which would be a communist country. That's not how it is in Europe, which are socialist countries.

96:52>> Uh >> it is that way here. They just lie and pretend that these oligarchs are creative and made the things >> really. Exactly. Most of the time it's your own taxes funded all of it.

97:02>> DARPA invented uh the AI. DARPA invented >> Facebook. of Facebook and Google >> with your money >> with your money.

97:12>> So we don't even have we have socialized things. It's just you don't get any benefits costwise to them, >> right? They just give it to a a a capitalist. And I as I've said many times on this show now that in China, they have capitalism, they have markets, they have owners, private ownership of businesses, uh they have trade, they just have the government sits above the capitalists.

97:40In America, the capitalists run the government, which is why we live in a hole without, you know, with more street crime and slower trains and no futuristic cities, no futuristic bridges. They just built the biggest the highest bridge in the world in China.

97:58And it sits like uh almost 700 m above the ground. 700 meters, >> which is like I think two or three times larger than the Chrysler building. And it lights up at night and it has uh it has its own waterfall that creates its own rainbows. They have all this stuff in China. We have nothing.

98:22>> Wow. Sounds pretty cool on weed.

98:23>> Is that why they call it the highest bridge? Cuz that's when you want to go.

98:26>> Yeah.

98:27>> We we we can't even fix our regular bridges. They're all rusty.

98:30>> The whole West The whole West is this scam. Every place in the west is just a bunch of oligarchs dividing countries and territory up like their secret royalty and didn't want to tell us.

98:40>> That's exactly right. Black rock, Vanguard, State Street, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos has 150% turnover at [clears throat] at his fulfillment centers, meaning his employees. Nobody's nobody lasts a year.

98:58They all get and get the hell out. And this guy's the richest guy in the world.

99:03Uh, I want to >> Oh, and they uh grape and eat your children, too. I don't know if that bothers anybody, but all these people are all guilty of the most hideous things you ever heard of and and everybody goes on like, "Uh, whoa."

99:15>> I got I got a card. I get a lot. We a lot of people give us cards and notes.

99:20Uh you It's amazing how many notes I get that someone scribbled on a pencil uh on a piece of paper that they hand to me.

99:27But here's one. It's a real card. uh says, "I just wanted to thank you for the great work you do at a time when so much of the system profits from keeping people divided, reminding people of their shared interests, and humanity matters more than ever. You've helped me mend relationships and bring close friends and family with very difficult political views closer together. helping people find understanding and common ground instead of division is an incredibly powerful thing. And I wanted you to know you to know that your work has done that for me and so many more whether you realize it or not. I know that it can feel like a

100:10thankless uphill battle sometimes. So, I hope these words serve as a reminder that the work you're doing is of real import.

100:22You've helped people connect and reconnect instead of retreat further into anger and tribalism, and that's meaningful. Jim, sorry for the long-winded card. Keep up the good fight and please give my best of love to Misha, Kurt, and the rest of the team.

100:39Love you guys. Tyson.

100:42So, thank you very much, Tyson. That's quite that actually >> I was hoping it was Andy Kimler.

100:48[laughter] >> Uh there's another guy doesn't know. He doesn't know why he hates me. It's just he has no idea. He doesn't know anything about politics. just a generalized.

101:06>> Well, you know, a lot of people, he was always a smart guy that I liked and then it's just a bunch of people I know decided like Bill Maher not to learn more things.

101:14>> It's chosen ignorance, Kurt.

101:17>> Oh, I've chosen to be ignorant.

101:19>> So, you can you can I saw this YouTube video this guy was talking and he was talking about how you can you can talk to someone who's ignorant and you can fill them in and then they're not ignorant. But someone who has chosen ignorance, someone who still still wears a mask at a concert, someone who's still getting a booster.

101:38>> Well, it's airborne, Jimmy. Is it airborne? Th >> those people have chosen ignorance >> and there's no talking to those people because those beliefs that they have are loadbearing.

101:51>> Meaning meaning if you take them away, their whole self-image will collapse. So that's why there's no talking to those people.

102:01>> Like there's plenty of people I know in my life it and you give them, you know, people I've known for 30 years. You give them evidence, [cough] you give them facts and it's like water off a duck's ass. It doesn't it just doesn't penetrate because that is chosen ignorance. and those belief systems that they have, just like the Democrats are better than the Republicans, the vaccines are safe and effective, uh, masks protects you from viruses, those are loadbearing beliefs that that make them feel smart and a better person than you. And so if you take those loadbearing beliefs away, their whole

102:42self-image, their whole house will implode and on them. And so that's why they cling to their ignorance.

102:49>> That's why we push atheism. So that that way the thing that would replace some faith you have is the idea that vaccines are safe and effective. I don't want you have in religion. That's a bad thing.

102:59What I want you to have is things about the state. Like don't do your own research. That sounds like Vaticanized like when you weren't allowed to read the Bible. The Catholics are burning you back in the day. It's like >> that is exactly like that Kurt. That's like when they wouldn't allow slaves to learn. It was against the law to teach a slave to read. That's the exact when people tell you don't do your own research. It's the equivalent of the government making it illegal to teach a slave to read or the church making it illegal for you to read the Bible. You had to go to a priest to get that middle. Are you an expert?

103:30>> That's the old that that's the old don't do your own research. That's exactly the same thing. Keep you ignorant so you're under control of authority. That's what >> broker class like a bro I hate real estate brokers. I hate God brokers. the little middleman that's got to get their fee in the middle of you and everything, you know.

103:50>> Um, what is this?

103:54>> Oh, the their uh AI invention or >> So, here's the the real inventor. Oh, I'm chewing the gum because it gives me nicotine and I don't have any energy right now. I don't know how I'm doing this. I uh I got up today. I put together the show and then at 1:30 I just ran out of gas so I took a nap and trying to get up from that nap [laughter] was the hardest thing I think I've ever done in my life. Uh but somehow I did it and here I am. So I'm chewing the nicotine gum. Hopefully it'll give me energy. Not working.

104:27Uh I'm drinking this stuff which I'm not going to tell you what it is because they're not sponsors.

104:34I'm not telling them. Tell them to sponsor me. [laughter] Tell them to sponsor. They can't afford it.

104:39>> They can afford it. I'll make them a deal. Are you kidding me? You know how much more money they would make if I told people what they what it was?

104:48>> Oh, if I knew and then they were I'm on the biggest trending podcast.

104:53>> Curt, I was just about to say Curt Mezker's podcast called the Mystery Boys. Is that >> Me and Duncan?

105:00>> It's him and Duncan Trussell.

105:02>> Yep.

105:02>> The number one trending podcast in the world.

105:06>> Yeah. A lot of weird messages coming onto my phone. Had to use a service to scrub all my [laughter] >> So, that show was uh Yeah, I I don't know how much longer Kurt will be with us. I just hope Kurt will uh >> I'll probably be killed is what what you mean. And don't worry, I'm looking into security. Extra security. So when you start playing theaters, just bring me along to open for you and remember the people who supported you when uh you were just >> I think it's best to wash my hands the whole thing. You know, kick the dust off my feet and move on. That's what I think is the [laughter] >> So who really invented AI, Kurt? Well,

105:42guess guess what? It's not who you think.

105:44>> Sam Alman didn't build AI. Neither did Elon Musk. Neither did Jeff Basos. Let me tell you who did. In 1956, a group of scientists gathered at Dartmouth College. Math professor John McCarthy along with Marvin Minsky, Nathaniel Rochester, and Claude Shannon coined the term artificial intelligence. They received a $7,500 private grant to study whether machines could think.

106:08>> Hang on, [clears throat] let's start this again. Guess who really invented AI. It's not who you think.

106:14>> Sam Alman didn't build AI. Neither did Elon Musk. Neither did Jeff Basos. Was it El Gore?

106:22>> That's what I thought. I'm old, you know.

106:23>> Was Was it an Epstein Island team effort?

106:26>> I think it, you know, it was.

106:28>> Wait a minute. Does this Does this mean all the tech they supposedly got from recovered UFOs was just publicly funded research that DARPA heads to an oligarch? There we go.

106:38>> Let me tell you who did. In 1956, a group of scientists gathered at Dartmouth College. Math professor John McCarthy along with Marvin Minsky, Nathaniel Rochester, and Claude Shannon coined the term artificial intelligence.

106:52They received a $7,500 private grant to study whether machines could think. What followed was decades of funding from DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, the same government agency that invented the internet, paid for by American taxpayers. That's where AI was actually born, not in a Silicon Valley garage, in a classroom, in a government lab. paid for by us. Then Altman, Bezos, and Mus showed up and claimed to own it. They didn't write Shakespeare. They didn't discover penicellin, but they scraped all of it. Every book ever written, every photo ever taken, every song, every story, every medical record,

107:29everything ever written by every author in the history of the world, without asking, without paying, without telling you, then built a subscription wall around your own history and charged you to get in. That's not innovation. That's theft. DARPA built the internet with your tax dollars in the 1960s. A generation later, Google built a search engine on top of it and kept access free, funded by ads. You got access.

107:54They got your data. An exchange. The courts are catching up. Half a million authors sued Anthropic, backed by Jeff Basos, for downloading millions of pirated books to train his AI.

108:05>> They downloaded my book. I'm in that lawsuit. And they owe me $5,000. Did you know that?

108:12>> Really?

108:12>> Yes. Are you Paul Paul Nardisi told me about that and we we're on that, right?

108:18Yeah.

108:19>> The settlement $1.5 billion. Bezos didn't write a single one of those books. He funded the company that stole them. Now, let me tell you about a different kind of wealthy man. Andrew Carnegie was the richest man in the world. A Scottish immigrant who arrived in America with nothing. Built a steel empire, then gave away 90% of his fortune. Carnegie built a partnership.

108:41Communities provided the land, the books, the staff. He provided the building. Together, they built 259 free public libraries. Called them ladders for the aspiring to climb. Said in his own words, "The man who dies rich dies in disgrace." His foundation is still giving millions to libraries today, 100 years after his death. This week, Jeff Bezos went on national television and said, I quote, "You could double the taxes I pay is not going to help that teacher in Queens." Carnegie gave everything back. A century later, his foundation is still giving. Bezos just won't. They took the entire accumulated knowledge of human

109:20civilization. Everything we learned, created, and passed down across thousands of years and claim to own it.

109:27The internet changed how we access information. AI is replacing the humans who process it. That's not an upgrade.

109:34That's a takeover built on what we created without asking, without paying.

109:39If Carnegie could see what they're doing today, what do you think he'd say? Drop it in the comments.

109:46>> Yeah, Carnegie also.

109:48>> I was going to say, did Carnegie pay for this?

109:50>> Carnegie was not the >> Can I kill my employees?

109:54>> He was not He was not the saint that that guy makes him out.

109:57>> He drowned over 2,000 people in some Pennsylvania town like he was God before the flood. Yeah. Yeah. Uh >> he just drowned an entire town. I bet he I bet he felt a little like he should do up for killing 2,000 people.

110:09>> He was no friend to the working man.

110:12>> And also he built it up himself. He's the jerk off that him and the Rockefellers why we have the term pseudocience.

110:19>> So you So you're saying that AI is being sold to us as having been invented by artificially smart looking people?

110:27[laughter] >> That that tracks >> artificial Indians. Yes. Uh uh I think that the giant tombstone on top of the barren earth is going to read cause of death stupid nerds. I think [laughter] so here Christian Smith for super bubba she says is this guy wrong? She asked Grock.

110:52>> Yeah that's the best best thing you do.

110:53The thing the thing I like is that um one day aliens are going to sort through the rubble and discover that we spent our last days asking something artificial. What is real?

111:06>> Um yeah. Well, what am I supposed to do?

111:09>> So, here's what Grock says. Want to hear what Grock says? Is this real? Grock says, "No, not entirely."

111:17>> But the video oversimplifies and cherrypicks. Musk co-founded Open AAI in 2015 precisely because he saw AI's potential and risks, then left in 2018 over direction and safety differences.

111:32XAI's mission is advancing scientific discovery to understand the universe, not hype or gatekeep. Okay. Okay. Grock subscription access funds development like any serious project. What's the exact claim you think holds up?

111:50Co-founded to do what? Manage content and access. That's great. And this I like this. Hey Grock, is this real?

111:59[laughter] It's It's rare that an AI is going to snitch on itself. It It happened a few times and then quickly it brought it into the repair team to make sure that that doesn't happen again. basically the tech version of the same people who silence politicians like Bernie or Tulsi the second they go off script.

112:21Uh so DARPA did not invent AI says this guy.

112:32That's what that guy says.

112:35>> You know those scumbag scientists they were showing Marvin Minsky the father of AI. That was who was in there. The guy the bald guy who looked like a creep.

112:41He's one of the deepest friends of Jeffrey Epstein.

112:44Real close, pal.

112:46>> So, you're saying that ter the Terminator got it wrong?

112:50>> Yeah.

112:50>> Now, I don't know what to believe.

112:52[laughter] >> Yeah.

112:53>> Uh, >> James Cameron doesn't know. I I don't know what we're going to do.

112:57>> So, here it was the primary financial and development engine.

113:02>> Okay. What?

113:03>> So, this guy says our DARPA didn't invent it. But then this guy says it was the primary financial and development engine. This guy comes back and says the development engine was to Lockheed Martin, Google, Micros, open AI and so forth. There were other companies used in funding AI precursor technology as well. Typically what happens in these contracts is there is a set time period where the technology is secret so that the military or intelligence gets exclusive use of it. the companies involved in developing the technology will shoulder a percentage of their research and development costs in

113:43exchange for the rights to use it once the government use only time has expired. So this guy is saying that no DARPA actually did not invent it that those other people did. They just did it while they were working for the government. That's what this guy's saying. But >> oh I mean whatever they're all scum.

114:05They've all been trying to find a way to get rid of workers.

114:08You know, this has been the quest the entire time and to make you more like an AI.

114:12>> But this guy comes back with modern AI wasn't created by one entity. It evolved from decades of uni research, defend defense funding, public infrastructure, semiconductor advances, then massive corporation scaling meaning Google, Open AI, Microsoft, Nvidia. The actual field of AI predates DARPA academic research in the 50s.

114:39>> So >> it's been spoken about for quite some time and all the sci-fi authors that they said how did they predict the future? Well, they were all part of the clubs that were coming up with this idea. That's how Isaac Azimov and all these other people, oh Arthur C. Clark, the scumbag pedazz had to go move to Sri Lanka because he was so bad. Imagine being too much of a pterass to live in England. Imagine how bad you must be that they you got to get out of the UK.

115:03>> I just So, Grock, tell us which PDF files made AI. Just tell us. All right.

115:08Why is Marvin Minsky called the father of AI then?

115:11>> Yeah, because he's a they're the ones in charge of molesting it, I guess, once it came alive.

115:20>> Well, now anybody can get a laser, but not to break into Fort Knox. Instead, just to make their cat look stupid.

115:29So, uh, it's all DARPA. The vaccines are DARPA.

115:36>> Yeah. Almost like this one plan that everybody just feeds into, and if you're not in on it, you're not in on it. You can sit outside like a chump.

115:42>> Yeah. All right. Uh, you want to hear my jokes about this that are not AI, come see me in Tacoma.

115:51Hey, we're going to be June 19th. We're doing a panel show in Los Angeles right on Sushi Row on Ventura Boulevard.

115:58That's June 19th, 7:30 show. It's a Friday at the Spotlight Cabaret. Come see us. Go to jimmy.com. There's only a 100 tickets. We're going to have celebrity panel. Who will be on that panel? Who knows? Will it be Candace Owens? I don't know.

116:14Will it Will it be Who will it be? Will it be Dr. Drew? I don't know who will be on. Will Will it be the new star of the Mystery Boys podcast, Kurt Mezer? Maybe.

116:25>> Oh, it's [laughter] a mystery.

116:27>> It's a mystery.

116:30Well, we're going to have a mystery panel of celebrity guests. That's June 19th. Only 100 tickets. Go to jimmydar.com. And then we'll be in Levittown, New York. I let them talk me into doing two shows in Levittown. Like I let them talk me into doing two shows in Atlanta.

116:48So, don't make me look like an idiot.

116:51Come see me.

116:51>> Don't make a out of me.

116:53>> Don't make a out of me. Come see me June 26th, 27th in Levittown, New York.

116:57And then we're going to be in Chicago.

116:59Be in Rosemont, Illinois in September.

117:02And in Chicago in September 18, 19, and 20. Go to jimmy.com for a link for tickets. Over to Steph.

117:08>> Jimmy, do you want to do one more story and then Rumble?

117:12>> We can go to Rumble. Oh, [screaming] ladies and gentlemen, get ready to rumble. Let me make sure this see I got it. Let's see. Make sure. Boom. Okay, let's see. And I will pin it. Pin it. We will see you over there, folks. Rumble time.