0:01Dude, he was a Green Beret for like 20 years, okay? Then he did a few years with [ __ ] ground branch, which is a totally separate thing than like a case officer, true blue kind of CIA person.
0:13And as you said, he's lost his own blood to to to these wars and stuff. And what he's saying is so like he puts it in a way the every man can understand. Like when I when I hear him explain something pretty complicated the first time, I'm like, "Yeah, we can all that's one plus two plus two that that yeah, [ __ ] that's five." Wow.
0:34>> I feel like he distills down Scott Horton's work in a way that's much more palatable to the the normies cuz Scott will like he'll run through >> listen man listen.
0:45>> That's a good impersonation. But Scott, you'll like ask him a question. I I won't even ask him a question about geopolitics and then like I'm just trying to hang up my phone and I I'll look I'll look at the timer. It's an hour and a half later and I literally like asked him about I don't know some tax policy thing and now we're now we're in 1973 in Iran and I'm like I don't know. So anyways, Joe Kent is much more concise the nice way to put this. Hi Scott. Um >> I've literally had someone sitting in that seat. this have multiple times where they're like making it like someone cool and they're making a point
1:16on something and I will just look over and see the ghost of Scott Horton in that seat going, "Oh man, NO, NO, YOU GOT IT ALL. YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG, MAN."
1:26AND I'M JUST LIKE, "I'm sorry." I'm like living in another dimension.
1:30>> And the truth is Scott's right. The guy probably did have it wrong.
1:32>> Yeah. Yeah. He's Listen, hey, he's been at it. Scott's been at it for How many episodes has he done? Like [ __ ] 9,000 or something.
1:40>> Yeah. He's OG. OG. Yeah.
1:42>> And he was doing he was doing uh terrestrial radio before he started his show. So >> terrestrial radio.
1:47>> Yeah. Well, I think that's what it's called.
1:48>> I don't know if I'd admit that out loud, but still. That's [ __ ] unreal. He's going way back. [ __ ] >> Yeah. And and like that's where listen, you can argue with some of the overall like if things get too utopian and whatever with the arguments, but the points of like the endless spending on things that objectively make our country worse socioeconomically, culturally, all the way downstream, you can't argue with it at this point.
2:15>> Well, and I think I think that's the the point that I always try and hit on with the Republicans cuz they don't they don't buy into the bleeding hard [ __ ] They're like, "I don't give a [ __ ] about the kids in Palestine." It's like, "All right, I respect your honesty. How about, "Do you give a [ __ ] about your kids?" You know, >> I try to hit them with self-interest as opposed to going down the, you know, moral route. If they're Christianle leaning, I might hit them with the moral arguments. But if they're just like red, red, white, and blue, hurrah, and we're the superior ones, so like [ __ ] all
2:45these people. Well, then you got to go down the path of is is this actually benefiting you? Does it does it just make you feel tougher to have your government blowing up people all over the place? And I think that's the truth is that like there's a huge swath of Republicans that just love the fact that we kick the [ __ ] out of people all over the world and they just think that that makes us superior and therefore they get some sort of selfworth out of that. I think it's a very [ __ ] weak existence.
3:10>> I agree.
3:10>> I do.
3:11>> I agree.
3:11>> It doesn't make you tougher to have a government that [ __ ] people up. Sorry.
3:14It doesn't may make you feel a little bit better about yourself, but trust me, it's temporary. You need to go to the gym instead.
3:19>> Yeah, that's go right to the gym. That's that's a better place to get it out.
3:23That's what pisses me so much off about how Pete Hegath talks about this stuff.
3:27It's like, dude, you're talking about death. You're talking about human lives and everything. You want to argue over your war? Okay. All right, fine. Don't sit here and give me [ __ ] G.I. Joe bars because you think it sounded hard in the mirror.
3:40>> Bro, he is he is scary psychopathic.
3:43Yes, in my opinion, >> I agree. when he talks I'm like he's like a be action movie stary thing or some [ __ ] like >> see >> I see there you go I stand corrected >> yeah it's something it's like >> but the the real and this is I think honestly this is what radicalized Tucker Carlson Tucker Carlson got super radicalized by all the religiosity tied into the warfare state was just like not my name I believe that >> because you you can hear him talk about it all the time now >> he is super disturbed that his religion is being used to to justify mass death.
4:19He's really really and I and I you know same thing with Joe Kent. People go Tucker's dad with CIA you can't trust him. Like I'm not telling you to trust him. I'm just telling you I've listened to the guy for [ __ ] years. His shift on these wars in particular seems very sincere to me and and his arguments are sound. I mean he's basically laying it out like don't use my Bible to justify killing kids.
4:43>> No. or Pulp Fiction. Don't do that either.
4:46>> Yeah, it wasn't that. I forgot about that.
4:49Oh man, he should have stayed at Fox News.
4:54What's crazy is that I, you know, you hear whispers from behind the scenes of people who were like around him for a long time, who were quote unquote like keeping their mouth shut when he got nominated and they couldn't believe he got nominated because they're like, "This guy's a [ __ ] nut job." Yeah.
5:13>> You know, and to be clear, like Lloyd Austin was a [ __ ] embarrassment before him. It's a different kind of embarrassment, though. You know, one's wearing a [ __ ] you know, face visor six mask and you never hear his voice, and the other's saying, "All right, let's blow up a school."
5:30>> Well, you know, isn't isn't that a perfect example of the dichotomy of the duopoly that were offered?
5:35>> Yeah. You have this [ __ ] Darth Vader psychopath that like wants us to live in dystopic hell forever with lockdowns and [ __ ] And then you got, you know, die hard with a boner. Like >> he's he's such a weird dude.
5:49>> When he used that, Die Hard with a boner.
5:53>> Yeah. I don't even know where I go with that. But he's just he's just such a strange human being. But my point is like no. My answer to both of those offers is no.
6:01>> That's right. I don't want either of you having any >> How did we get there?
6:04>> Yeah, dude. I'm I wish I wish I knew. I mean, I'll tell you that dot right there is Thomas Massie. That's the >> You think so?
6:12>> That's the air apparent of Ron Paul, man. As far as I'm concerned. No disrespect to his actual son, Rand, but I think Thomas Massie carries the spirit of Ron Paul like like no one I've seen.
6:21>> Why do Why does this is the thing I can't get around. Donald Trump is so throughout his entire political career is the most pollsed person ever.
6:33>> Yep.
6:34>> Including using polls that make absolutely no sense and we know are [ __ ] >> 100% of MAGA approves. Yeah.
6:40>> Yeah. Why? Yeah. Why does he go so directly against the polls in going after someone like Thomas Massie who was universally very liked. Yeah.
6:54Even across the aisle now, Roana and Thomas Massie have, you know, just like as a general kind of person level, like some pretty good approval ratings across the parties.
7:03>> Yeah. Well, and and also this is while Congress has the lowest approval rating in history, you know, so like if you have any congressman with any approval at all, that's the anomaly.
7:13>> That's right.
7:13>> So yeah, Thomas Massiey's extraordinarily popular. Um, obviously he's hated by all of the people who are still sick offense for Trump and just do whatever he says. But I don't think it's a sincere hatred. They all recognize, you know, what Massiey's about. Like he's a true constitutionalist.
7:29>> Um, but the answer, and sorry, I'll get accused of Israel derangement syndrome, but that's the answer. I mean, the if you look at the people who are financing the primary campaign against Thomas Massie, they're all Zionist donors. All of them.
7:42>> Yeah.
7:43>> And some of them are also Epstein connected, by the biggest ones. Yeah.
7:46Miriam, who who else? Paul Singer.
7:48>> Singer and Aden are the only ones I remember the names of. There's a third guy, but like it's basically those three Zionist billionaires that chunked up $25 million. I'm not talking about a general, bro.
7:58>> This is a primary >> primary.
8:01>> They're putting up 25 mil to try and ounce Thomas Massie. That I don't know.
8:05You can maybe look this up, but that may be the most expensive primary race in American history. I mean, it's got to be up there. This is >> adjusted. Let's see.
8:13>> Yeah. Well, I mean, >> I'd love to see the Frank Church primary race back in the day.
8:16>> Oh, interesting. Yeah.
8:17>> Right. But inflation adjusted maybe.
8:19>> Yeah, that's probably the same vibes, you know. Y >> lot of strange money coming in there >> with them. Yeah. As of March 26th, the Texas Senate primary is the most expensive primary race in US history.
8:30Who's doing that?
8:31>> No, no, that's that's Senate though. I'm talking House.
8:33>> Yeah. Yeah. House. Uh, let's do House.
8:36What was that Senate race? Is that Ted Cruz?
8:39>> Might have been Apac Ted.
8:40>> Yeah.
8:43All right. So, George Latimer. Yeah. So, all right.
8:48Yeah, it's gonna break it because George Latimer was and that is 24.8 million.
8:53That was in the 2024 Democratic primaries. That Oh, yeah.
8:57That's the Bowman one >> and Bowman.
9:00>> The money that came in was Apac money and all that. Yeah, that was what you know, listen, Bowman's kind of a cringey guy. That was one place where he had a set of balls on him.
9:08>> Yep. And I'm not a fan of Bowman, but that's just be honest. Like all of the squad members that have been ousted, it was Apac money that got rid of them. And I and I oppose those people because they're socialists and I'm not. Um, but like it's just the truth. Like you can basically you can believe and do almost anything up in including like child trafficking.
9:30Um, >> it's so dark. I laugh, but it's not that's not funny, but it's just like hilarious how in your face it is. But you can get away with basically anything as long as you support Israel. That's that's how our political system is structured. That's just the [ __ ] truth. And and you can you can call me whatever names you want. I've heard them all. Uh I just think it's it's a factualbased analysis that like that's how our system works. And when you see 25 million being put up to ou Massie, a A+ rating conservative congressional member, very high approval ratings, and the only thing that he's really getting
10:11pushed out for is because he doesn't support Israel.
10:15>> You see that line? He was walking to the elevator and some guy asked him about being a rhino and he goes, "I voted with Republicans 91% of the time and the 9% I didn't were when they were inflating the budget, funding foreign wars, and protecting pedophiles." And just walks into the [ __ ] elevator. You're like, "Hey, >> bro." The best part of that though, that was a hit piece by Laura Loomer that was put out to try and tank Massie.
10:39>> I mean, she's >> Well, sure. But how funny is that? that a hit piece to try and to try and end his career became the best campaign video he'll ever get.
10:49>> That's what I'm saying. That's why that's where I think like it's on purpose.
10:53>> Oh, interesting.
10:53>> There's there's no way you can possibly put that out and think that's going to hurt him.
10:57>> I think I think you're not giving your enemies enough credit for being stupid.
11:02>> I mean, she is I did say it like, you know, I I don't even get involved with her. I would encourage.
11:09>> It's just whoa. You know, that's that's full-blown like never go full re from Tropic Thunder. She even look She even looks like Simple Jack, but you know.
11:19>> Oh man.
11:20>> Still you're not going to get that one out of your head.
11:22>> Oh dude, you're going to get >> No, no. I'm I'm just getting nervous for you because she's such a lunatic. She's going to come after both of us.
11:27>> Yeah. Her and all 10 of her followers.
11:29I'm so worried. Yeah. But it that's just wild that you would put something out like that and think that that's not like, you know, Americana [ __ ] 2.0, >> dude. It's a banger line.
11:39>> It's a banger line.
11:40>> And to do it on the fly when you know you're getting hit, you know, from a antagonistic reporter and to just drop that and walk off, it's like and he does it with a smile, too.
11:49>> You just you can't you can't teach that kind of sew aair or whatever the [ __ ] It's like he's just a beast.
11:55>> How do you fix this? How do you how do you get the system so that it actually I don't care what what countries are involved like get anything of any other foreign country's interest out of our priorities in in so far as our elected officials making decisions on the basis of the American people and not other places.
12:15>> I mean I think we're we are making progress in that regard but we're also running out of time. So that's my biggest concern is like when when someone like you ask me, you know, how do we fix this? I have answers, but they're not implementable because I don't have the political capital. I don't have the public on my side enough to implement them. But like I could save the dollar. I could save the reserve currency status. I could save, you know, our constitution. I could do so many things if I had the public on my side.
12:46But I don't. So then I just revert to practicality. what can I actually accomplish within, you know, within our means. And I just think that we just have to continue to, you know, nudge the ball down the field. It's like, >> like we have, like I I posted a couple days ago saying >> growing up is realizing that a mass layoff at the Washington Post is the exact same thing as a mass layoff at the Daily Wire. progress.
13:13>> Like that is indicative of our success, of our winning that like we are slowly but surely putting the propagandists out of business. And as long as we don't have the political power to make institutional reforms, that is the power that we have at our disposal is to win by telling the truth more boldly, more loudly, more courageously than any of these people can or are willing to or their donors will permit. And we have that ability. So, should we win in that fight? Yeah, we should >> because we don't have any of those holdbacks. We have both of our fists out and they've got one like Charlie Kirk
13:54had one tied behind his back, right?
13:56>> Mhm.
13:57So that's the reason that I'm hopeful ultimately is that I believe we are winning the propaganda war that we are defeating the you know state propagandists and I think it's evidenced by the numbers from you to Rogan to Tucker to Candace to my middling success and Dave Smith and all these other people. It's like all of the people that I like are doing good and all of the people I don't like are falling off a cliff.
14:22>> So if you can't look at that and come away with some optimism, I think you're not looking at it right. The one thing that I want to make sure does come out of this is you're absolutely right where there's propaganda and lies and people who are perpetuating perpetuating that and like purposely making money off of it. Of course, like the market should correct itself >> in that way. But I also, you know, I've had like this crisis of conscience. I I don't even know what to call it, especially since the January 30th Epstein drop. I mean, as someone who's looked at this case for seven years, obviously I knew it was horrific and all
14:55that, but this just put it on a whole different lens to where even the things that I was like, ah, it probably didn't go that far. Now it's like, oh, maybe it went farther, you know? And what the reason I bring it up is because >> I catch myself having to stop myself from automatically just reverting for reverting to anything I hear from anywhere that is any sort of established place.
15:19Therefore, the opposite 100% must be true rather than looking at each thing on a case- by case basis. And I think we have a really important moment here in independent media as a whole, regardless of where people stand on issues and whatever >> to prove that yes, the mainstream and these places have been exposed for the lies and stuff like that, but now let's not become the same thing from another side or a different lens that they did.
15:42And that's that's the one thing like I get stuff wrong. I'll get things wrong in the future, but I do my best at least with what I can control, which is just right here, to hear out different voices, give my opinions where it's relevant, and like try to do it on the basic evidence we can see, and if something changes, I'll change it. You know what I mean?
16:00>> Well, look, I think that's the key difference, though, is that it's not an expect audiences don't expect us to get everything right.
16:07>> They expect us to be honest when we get it wrong, though.
16:09>> Yes.
16:10>> And that's what you don't get from the propagandists. That's what you don't get from Ben Shapiro who said, you know, get your jab, dopes, you know, like, [ __ ] you, dude. You know, enjoy your poverty line. Like, that's how I feel about people like that. If you if you show like Tucker Carlson, that's totally the opposite side, right? Tucker Carlson got the war on terror dead ass wrong. He got it totally backwards. He was pushing the the propagandistic lies. But what did he do once he like actually realized it? He admitted it. And he's been eternally apologetic. uh tirelessly apologetic, willing to no matter how many times he
16:45has to say it, he will say it and he doesn't get upset when people ask him about it because it's sincere. That's the difference between someone like Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro. That's the reason Tucker Carlson is the biggest name in right-wing media and Ben Shapiro has fallen off a cliff because that's what the audience is looking for. Not that you get everything right. Tucker got one of the biggest things in our lifetimes wrong, >> but he showed the desire to pursue truth and that's what we need. So, I agree with you though. I think it's a huge mistake to just believe that because it's independent media that it
17:22necessarily is going to get these stories right that the corporate media gets wrong. That's not at all. That doesn't logically follow at all. So, this is why I'm so I shouldn't say so critical, but I am somewhat critical of the tactics that Candace Owens uses.
17:38Like, I don't like going through familial history of Erica Kirk and looking at her grandparents or her great-grandparents and drawing some sort of lineage of con artistry and therefore concluding that look how suspect this lady must be. It's like >> that's [ __ ] I don't know. I don't that's not how I view the world as an individualist. I don't I don't do that with any other group of people. I don't do that with Jewish people. I don't do that with black people. I'm not going to do that to Erica Kirk either. Yeah.
18:09>> I just think it's wrong. Like I'm not guilty of the crimes of my great-grandfather. Like what are we [ __ ] talking about? So >> yeah, judge people on their own merits.
18:16>> Yeah. But but my point is like the standard needs to be higher and and I think, you know, but at the same time, I'm not like the dictator of this world.
18:25I think that the audience decides what standard they're willing to accept and live with. And if if Candace goes too far and she gets enough things wrong, she'll hemorrhage audience, too. Like that's the game here.
18:38>> Um, so I think that's that's evidence of a functioning information system, one that we haven't had throughout our lives because we were cloistered off into these media bubbles that like our grandparents only had three nightly news channels, right? And then you and I had, I don't know, 30 or whatever. And now we have thousands of options or millions of options. And it's like there's no reason to to believe that we can't have a truly meritocratic system that allows for the audiences to decide, you know, who deserves to be the the top of the heap in this world. And that's it's never been like that in human history. And I
19:14think that's that's the main reason that the power structure is moving so rapidly to try and >> cut us off at the pass and create the AI framework and the spying apparatus and everything else is like the whole way that they controlled us forever was through information. Like >> suppress suppression, right?
19:32>> Of course, >> good luck. You can't really do it now, right? Or it's like much harder. So I think that's the reason that they're they're reorienting their control mechanisms. They're going away from information control and suppression to both overt power through militarism, but Oh, >> no. We're good. Keep going.
19:52>> Through overt power through militarism, but then also psychological operations and and manipulation and other means.
19:58>> I'll lose most of your audience when I go down that path, but I'm just saying I think it's obvious that they are evolving their their methodologies for control.
20:07>> Okay, let's take one more break. We're going to let them drill some trees out there for 10 minutes and we'll be right back.
20:11>> Perfect.
20:13Yeah, I was just saying uh I thought you were coming into town for the Met Gala, but you were telling me off air you don't even know what that is.
20:19>> The only thing I know about the Met Gala is that I saw the chick who bombed in like the remake of Wicked, who seemed like she was gacked out of her mind.
20:27>> Oh, >> Rachel Zgler or whatever.
20:29>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
20:29>> There's a video of her job going left.
20:31>> Well, well, there was there was history made last night.
20:33>> Oh, okay.
20:34>> There was some serious history made at the Mecca. There was the first I want to make sure I get this right, DeF. the first black transgender quad quad I'm sorry quadriplegic cerebral pulsey model it out >> oh dude I saw >> that's real that's real this is real actually a fan of the show went to high school with her too was like >> oh my god dude my uh my friend Josie the redhead libertarian if you could pull up her her quote tweet to that >> it's an absolute banger >> so you did see that I I did, but I didn't I didn't realize I was a meal.
21:11>> Oh, yeah.
21:12>> So, >> yeah. What What's her name? Cardi B came dressed as an intestine >> to for prostate awareness or something >> something. Katy Perry came in a transhumanist. Uh >> oh.
21:27>> I don't know what was going on.
21:28>> TR TRHL official.
21:32I'm just like if if you were if you're like an ancient Rome historian and you're studying like the end times of empire about like elites and everyone else.
21:42>> Yeah, bro. This is what I'm saying though. But this this is why when you asked me, you know, just before the break like, "All right, how do we fix this?" And I'm like, "Well, we got to stop giving those people attention at all." Like, >> that is pure distraction. That has that has no bearing on >> anything that we need to be doing to actually remedy things. In fact, those people all need to fade from the public.
22:05All right. Yeah.
22:07>> Josie says, >> she goes, "I filled my woke bingo card with one person." What was it? Someone else tweeted out, "Yotice the woke final boss right here."
22:17>> That's great, dude.
22:19>> Oh, the intrusive thoughts that were coming in my mind when I saw that. I was like, "Don't don't tweet. Don't tweet."
22:24>> Yeah. Those That's the type of [ __ ] that you would have seen in 2020. You're like, if I even engage with this, I'm going to get suspended, right?
22:30>> Like, can't do it.
22:31>> It's crazy. Absolutely crazy. But, you know, I just see it. Can we pull up the Sarah Pollson one? I got to pick on her.
22:37So, you know, you're going to an event that's 350 [ __ ] stacks of table. It's literally run by Bezos, which, you know, they did have a nice protest for him outside and some people didn't show up in solidarity because the Bezos's were running it. But then you have an actress worth an estimated 12.5 million with a staff carrying her up with whatever that is she's wearing with a dollar bill over her [ __ ] eyeballs.
23:05>> What's what's the >> to protest the 1%. Her words, not mine.
23:10>> You know, >> every every job she's ever had in Hollywood was from the 1%. And for the record, so is she.
23:16>> Yeah.
23:16>> What are we even talking about?
23:19>> Like >> like if she was doing that to protest the Federal Reserve, I'd be like based as hell. She gets it. That's not what this is. What are you [ __ ] doing? I just see this and I'm like, there was a point where she was in a room discussing this with someone and said, I'm going to wear an outfit with a dollar bill over my [ __ ] eyeballs so that people have to carry me through this room and I can't even look at all the people taking pictures of me or admiring me if if that's what you want to say. And I'm going to do it as a multi-millionaire actress to protest the 1% at the biggest 1% event of the year. And it's a great
23:54idea. Like that those words, that thought process, maybe not those exact words, that did happen.
23:59>> No, that thought process had to have happened. I mean, isn't that just the perfect demonstration of how detached these people are that they're like, "This is going to come off great, you know, like I'm going to win the PR war here." It's like, "No, you're worth 20 million and you just had your slave carry you around because you wanted to wear some virtue signaling dollar mask."
24:17>> I'm not. And here's the thing, man. I love people that work hard and get really successful at something, whatever it is. As long as, you know, as long as it's not like completely immoral.
24:25>> I don't begrudge her success at all.
24:27She's a great actress.
24:27>> She's a great actress. I'm like, good for you.
24:30>> But you shut the [ __ ] up.
24:31>> Yeah. Exactly.
24:33understand who you are and like the you know the by the way the great privilege that comes with what you've been able to earn yourself. It's not that hard, right?
24:42>> You know, like I get to talk on camera for a living. I may not have a lot of money yet, but I think that's the biggest privilege in the world. I'm not going to sit here and act like that makes you [ __ ] different than people though.
24:52>> For sure. I I say this all the time when I end my episodes. I'm like, "Love you guys. See you next time." It's like I love my audience for real because I can't believe that I've got, >> you know, 60, 100, whatever thousand people that are watching me every episode. It's like it just doesn't make it doesn't even compute.
25:11>> It's wild.
25:12>> It's unbelievable.
25:12>> It's the coolest thing ever.
25:13>> Yeah. And and they they are voluntary voluntarily giving me their time. I've never advertised my show. I've never done anything to promote it other than like go on other shows. Um, so it's just purely purely did you ever hear of me?
25:29Did you ever check out something I said and then did you vibe with it? And now here you are checking me out every, you know, a couple times a week. It's like it's the most beautiful thing in the world. So I would I will never lose my amazement or appreciation for it. And I feel like anybody who's done what you've done and I've done, building up a a true organic audience, it's like it's the most special thing in the world. That's why I would never do something stupid like that, you know? It's like it just it just I don't even I don't even know how you get that disconnected honestly.
25:57>> Those kinds of things give me the ick like when I see that where I'm just like gh oh my god. You know because >> I I don't know. I've always >> I've always looked at it like if I [ __ ] with you, I [ __ ] with you. I don't give a [ __ ] what you do, right?
26:11>> Like and maybe that's why I do this for a living. By the way, I talk with people from all different walks of life, from all over the world. Like it's the best thing ever. But there's something that happens to people. It's not just actors and actresses. There's something in society that happens to people that as they like raise up their stature, I've seen it again and again, everyone else out there has seen it as well, you know, where like they switch up and they suddenly things that 10 years ago wouldn't have even been a thought process in their world are now a baseline expectation that's actually
26:37below.
26:38>> Yeah.
26:39>> You know what I mean?
26:39>> No, I do. Uh, look, I think this is also um, and I'll say this as gently as possible, but I think that's why Joe Rogan has been getting some hate as of late is that because of his relationship to Peter Teal and his friendliness with with uh, Trump, I think a lot of people are feeling as if he's holding his punches back, >> you know?
27:01>> And I'm a longtime Joe Rogan fan. I [ __ ] listened to that dude in ' 09 is when I first started. Like I was >> Oh, you were o you were OG.
27:11>> Yeah, dude. I was episode 54 or something like that. Like so love Rogan.
27:16But I think it's also true that when you as we talked about earlier when you build personal relationships with politicians, >> it it >> it nerfs you. It makes it so that it's very hard. And especially when you're like, and I look, I gotta say I credit Joe with this because what he got done by playing ball with Trump to get legalized psychedelic treatment for PTSD.
27:38>> That was cool. Yeah, >> that's [ __ ] great, man. Like, he'll save lives. He'll save some of those military veterans we were talking about earlier. He'll save some of those guys because of that policy. So, can I get that mad at him?
27:49>> I guess I can't. But at the same time, I think it hurts your show because as soon as you start to pull punches, you're not telling the full truth. Well, that's the thing. You talked about it earlier like when you were talking about spending time with Vic Ramwami and like you get to know him as a person.
28:02>> I I don't like to say the word never because things change and you don't know but I've had my guys will tell you I've had a firm rule throughout the six plus years that no politicians >> and I've stuck to that very strongly even when given some pretty good offers to have on some nice names. I'm like [ __ ] no.
28:19>> You're you're the one who taught me that.
28:21>> Yeah.
28:21>> You're the one who woke me up to it. I was like, as soon as you said that, I was like, damn, that's a good policy.
28:25>> Yeah. If someone were in office in the past or something, I might do that one as long as they're not like actively >> like Ron Paul.
28:32>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I might do that. But like when you start to deal with people who actually have their hands on the levers, I need to be able to criticize or praise depending on what the situation is, what they do with while having a separation of a state.
28:46>> I completely agree, >> if you will. And so the place where because like I I see it on I see the strong reactions against Rogan online all over the place and like the guy is a hero of mine. Like he's the reason I can do what I do. That should not make him be above criticism to be clear, right?
29:03And it's also a great lesson that the longer you last and the longer you're great at some point you're going to do something where you know people will turn on you for some things and it's like none of us are above that. But like at the same time, this isn't to write off some of those decisions. Like I've said this, I for one would not have talked to Peter Teal in the year 2025. I think that was a big mistake. But like, you know, maybe he said [ __ ] it. I've said that. I'm like, I've said [ __ ] it for people people have never heard of.
29:28So, I don't like throwing stones from glass houses because I'm a [ __ ] micro [ __ ] size compared to that. At the same time, I always feel like because he was the first guy to go through all these different things, whatever they are, like as the trailblazer, it makes the bar higher for me and everyone else coming after him because not only do we get to see the examples of the things that he did right that we then get the example of to be able to follow, but we also see the examples of mistakes that were made and therefore we don't have the excuse of saying, "Hey, we didn't see that one coming,"
30:01>> right?
30:01>> You know, so I think there's a positive.
30:04Couldn't couldn't agree more. And I think it's also that's actually how I want to model parenting whenever I have kids. It's like >> you want to take the good and leave the bad. I think that's how that's how you evolve your lineage and and progress. So I I view podcasting the same way. Like all all my inspirations, you know, obviously Dave Smith was a huge inspiration even though he became a really good friend of mine. Um you know, I first heard him on Rogan 2017 or something like that and I was like, "Oh [ __ ] >> it's it's me." you know, I was like I was like, I'm on Rogan right now. How cool is this? Um, and I started my show
30:38three years later and then he was on my show a year after that. So, I went from being a fan to four years later, you know, becoming a friend. But point is Rogan huge inspiration. Even Bill Simmons from the sports realm. He was a real pioneer.
30:51>> Um, >> just a handful of guys that like really inspired me to think that this is a thing. Like this is a real thing. Like this is not going away. this is going to actually replace whole industries. Um, and I think that we have almost a duty to learn the lessons of both the the good and the bad that Rogan and Dave and everybody else has done.
31:14>> 100%, man. And that's, you know, we I try to have that conversation behind the scenes all the time with like things we're seeing or things I'm thinking about doing. And like I said, I've made plenty of mistakes. It's just a matter of I know there's also like some bullets I've dodged >> where it's like, you know, my dumbass probably wouldn't have dodged that if I didn't have the examples of not just Rogan, but some other guys before who were way bigger that either >> did it wrong or did it right and it was very clear >> what it was. So, well, I mean, we listen, it's still like it's still the wild west in some cases in this space.
31:49So, we got to kind of let this thing settle. The thing I do worry about though is the thing you've been alluding to all day, which is that if the technocratic elite already have this [ __ ] whatever it is set up, is this just like, you know, a final sher act that we have no idea we're a part of and this thing's a [ __ ] dystopian 1984 reality in like a year?
32:09>> Are are we the band playing on the Titanic as it sinks?
32:12>> Yeah, I don't know. I mean, and honestly, we won't know. Like, we'll only know in hindsight if that's the case. Obviously, kind of like we talked about in the very beginning about simulation theory. It's like I just choose to dismiss that option because what how does it benefit me to accept defeat before I even know definitively that I'm defeated, >> right?
32:31>> It doesn't it doesn't benefit me. So, I'm going to function as if there's a chance just in hopes that there is one.
32:38Um, and I believe that unless we're willing to do that, then we are truly hopeless. So, I just I reject Dave Smith says this all the time. He's like, "I'm a father." He's like, "I've got two little kids at home. Do you think that failure is an option here?"
32:52>> Right?
32:53>> You think I'm going to let the [ __ ] the American experiment perish in my lifetime when my inspiration is a guy like Ron Paul? Like, >> yeah, >> not on my not on my watch, homeboy.
33:02Like, I ain't I ain't going down without a fight. So, that's how I feel about it.
33:06And I just feel like we need to spread that spirit and not let it perish. And that's how we that's how we prevail ultimately. That could be a really good thing to come out of the cycles we've seen in that I don't I don't like being one of these people who just like picks on the boomers or whatever because there's group think ideas that get implemented unknowingly in society and then people just go along with stuff and I don't think that's like on an individual basis people's fault. But with the boomers, there's the idea that people talk about where it's like this is the first generation that through
33:36long-term actions overall on the average didn't care as much about the future of their kids' generation versus their own.
33:46The one maybe good thing that could come out of that is I feel like there's an awareness of that maybe being true among Gen Z and millennials and stuff. And so now with them becoming parents, if we can [ __ ] create an environment where people can afford to become parents and [ __ ] separate conversation, but like I feel like there's a lot more impetus now, at least in the conversations I have with friends of mine who are new parents and stuff like that, who are obsessed with making the world way better for their kid and are therefore more aware of some of the [ __ ] that's going on that's a mess.
34:18>> That's absolutely true. But I will add to that is that many of those people have been in my opinion co-opted into things that are actually self-destructive.
34:27>> What do you mean?
34:28>> For instance, the the whole green agenda, you know, a lot of pe a lot of people like that generation you're talking about, the one who was like, I'm rejecting this abandonment of my responsibility to the planet, to the future, everything else. Almost all of them bought into the global warming >> polar opposite.
34:47>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and then but what's even crazier about those folks is that then not only did they buy into what I believe is a largely fictitious narrative, but they also supported state action and global governance to try and remedy it. I mean, they got played like a [ __ ] fiddle, dude. So that's the danger is that just because you're more aware, just because you you have better intentions doesn't mean you have better outcomes, you know? Like intention is important.
35:14>> Yes.
35:15>> But it ain't everything. you got to actually be, you know, your target has to be in the right direction. So that's my fear and and the same same phenomenon to the global warming was the woke experience in my opinion. It was this genuine good-hearted desire to eliminate racism and bigotry and homophobia and d right.
35:35>> But what did it do? What was the outcome? The outcome was the opposite.
35:39>> Nick Fuentes.
35:40>> Yeah.
35:42Oh, and trust me, Nick Fentes is [ __ ] mild compared to the people that are, you know, right behind him. So, I I just think that that's the key is it's not just about intention, it's about outcome. And >> I agree, >> they got played.
35:54>> But it's a whip. You just pointed out it's a whip and a roll, man. This is how society works. And this is where I get really cynical is I always do this like little postworld War II >> pendulum. You know, you got Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, they whacked in, left in Johnson, Nixon. Nixon, they kicked him out. Left in Ford for a minute. Carter. Carter had the inflation crisis. Reagan Reagan bought four extra years for his intel buddy. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump. It's just to swing back and forth. And I keep waiting for the guy that's going to be like, >> "Hold up. Wait a minute. Yeah,
36:34>> let's part the sea here. We're right here. Do you ever think a moment like that will actually come, though, or are we just programmed to not let that happen?
36:42>> Well, I'll tell you. I mean, this is a question I was asking myself and attempting to answer back in 2020. You don't even know this about me. Or 2024, I should say, just a couple years ago. I ran for the vice president of the United States.
36:55>> Told me that actually a few weeks ago.
36:56>> Yeah. Um under the Libertarian Party. Um and I couldn't even get the delegates. I got 49% of the delegates. I needed 51. I came up like three votes short from getting the nomination. But >> well, you wouldn't be on this podcast.
37:07So, yeah, that's for the best.
37:08>> Yeah. No, it was for the best. It was for the best for a lot of reasons. But my point in in bringing that up is not to brag because it's not a brag. It's something I didn't want to do. I was literally doing it because Dave had said he was going to run and then he he backed out because of family stuff and he was just like, I'm not going to do it. Um, and he had this whole movement that wanted to see him do it. M and I and a lot of people including Dave and a bunch of people were like you're like the closest thing we got you're like our B minus tier Dave so you got to step up and I was like I was like I don't want
37:41to do this at all. Um and I'm not going to dedicate the time to be the top of the ticket. So slot me in as VP. All right. I'll see I'll see if the delegates put me on the line. Anyways, I got very fortunate. Lost by a couple votes. Um, but the reason I bring that up is that when you talk about who's going to be the guy who says stop, a lot of people think and hope I was one of them that that stop guy is going to come from a third party. And what you realize very rapidly after being involved in this stuff is that one, third parties are are rife with people who are kind of ideological um I don't want to be mean about it, but
38:18almost like drama kids, you know, they're like >> they're I think many of them are serious like they they feel these things internally sincerely. But then when it comes to acquiring power and wielding power, many libertarians naturally are going to have an aversion to that because we don't like the state. So it's very hard to get a true blue libertarian who wants to actually wield the power of the state because if you're going to diminish the power of the state, you have to [ __ ] wield that power somehow, homeboy. You got to get there, right? So most of them aren't willing.
38:51So anyways, the the point I'm getting to is that that part of it makes third parties very challenging, but the real challenging part is that the duopoly is perfectly structured to to blast those people. I mean, just to crush them.
39:04>> Yes.
39:05>> Uh they keep them off the ballot. They force you to spend millions and millions of dollars to even get on the ballot.
39:09And then once you get on the ballot, you've already, you know, blown your whole wad and you don't have any money to put into ad campaigns to actually try and compete. then you don't get any [ __ ] media coverage because you're looked at as a joke oftentimes and oftentimes you are one. Um, so point is I and this is why I came to the conclusion and I ultimately voted for Trump is because I'm like I'm going to take the marginal preference over the destructive World War II assuredness.
39:32That was kind of how I was viewing things. And then I'm going to hope that really what I was voting for with Trump was not Trump himself. It was his base.
39:39It was the people who were like, "Fuck the war on terror. We know we got had.
39:43[ __ ] lockdowns. We know we got head and you know so many other things that I agree with them on the censorship under the Biden era like they had to lose. The Democrats had to lose. They were so abusive towards us over that period.
39:57>> It was a bad four years.
39:58>> It was awful.
39:59>> Yeah.
39:59>> So I was voting for Trump because I wanted that movement to stay alive and I wanted to see what that would evolve into. And what I think we've discovered in the first year of Trump's second term is that he's a con man. I don't think he's for real at all. I think that he's he played his part in galvanizing the populist right-wing movement that was, as you described it, the natural yin to the yang of the insane woke era.
40:29>> But he also demonstrated a complete incapacity or or lack of desire to fix the things that he promised to fix.
40:38>> Yeah.
40:38>> So now the answer the question is where does that energy go? Does it become kind of a nihilistic, radicalized, desperate movement, uh, a diaspora, if you will, >> or or does it galvanize behind a font fontian movement or a Massian movement?
41:00>> That's the TBD. I'm obviously trying to direct it towards >> [ __ ] Massie movement. I mean, [ __ ] man. I'm tell I'm telling you >> any any form of like opposite day is never going to end well. That's the one part of my life that has proven itself true again and again. And in a weird way, it's proven itself true with Trump in ways that even I didn't expect. You know, I've always known Trump's a New York real estate guy and he certainly lies all the time and stuff, but there's like a percentage calculus you make on all right, how will this turn out? And the fact of the matter is his first administration was chaotic cuz he's a
41:35chaos kind of guy. But like he didn't hit the red button. Things were okay. It wasn't the worst presidency I've ever seen >> until 2020. It was probably the best presidency in my lifetime. Honestly, >> we probably argue over that. But either way, like the it wasn't doomsday at all.
41:53No.
41:53>> And then I do believe this. I think co would have happened to anyone and and there were certainly mistakes made on his part there. That's a separate conversation we can legislate. But prior to co it was like, you know, all the like fear-mongering about how bad he could possibly be. Yeah, it's bumpy.
42:09Yeah, it's whatever. It's like, all right, we survived. It's fine. So, when he was coming up the second time and he was actually making some promises on things, there were things that I'm looking at it objectively and I'm like, "Yeah, he'll probably follow through on that." And there were there were a couple things he did, but so many things. Not only has he not followed through, he's done the complete opposite >> on he's literally changed what he said.
42:33And so when people are attacking people like you voted for this, it's like all right, listen.
42:38>> Those people that voted for Donald Trump, whether it's you or anyone else out there listening who did, you you have to go off of what you had seen in the administration before and what you had seen in Trump's administration before and pick the least worst option. And I fully understand to this day why people said this is the least worst option. I don't think it should be the fault of people that now the second time around he's literally gone full opposite day on everything. If he had gone opposite day on like 20% of things, all right, people would live with that. But when you're starting wars
43:10with Iran and [ __ ] like that or saying like not the Epstein thing is a democratic hoax, like go [ __ ] yourself, bro. Like it's such [ __ ] But see, this is what, you know, I don't even get frustrated with it at this point because I just think it's so ridiculous. But, you know, Dave also Dave Smith and myself and a bunch of bunch of libertarians ultimately decided to vote for Trump. Um, but you got to remember too, >> Trump came to our national convention.
43:36Yeah.
43:37>> He pitched us like we were wielding our minimal influence for the first time in the history of the Libertarian Party. We were actually like having not a seat at the table but like an audience with the king. Right.
43:50>> Right.
43:50>> You know, it's like are you going to reject that? You going to laugh it off?
43:54Like I I personally wasn't wasn't prepared to. I was like I was like this is the first time we might get something. We never get [ __ ] anything, dude. Nothing ever. Our party's existed for like 70 [ __ ] years. We get nothing ever. So when they're like, "Hey, we can free Ross Albert." He did do that.
44:14>> And he did. And for the record, he didn't do that. We did that.
44:18>> We freed a human being. So I I sleep fine at night knowing, you know, that decision, >> it came with peril, obviously. I I even said in the episode where I announced that I was vot. And by the way, I decided like 5 days before the election.
44:31I was not a >> I actually remember that's where that's when I really found you.
44:35>> Oh, cool.
44:36>> Yeah.
44:36>> Yeah. That was that was like the first time I finally was like, I'm going to do it. like they they got me the just this one time, you know, I voted libertarian my whole life, but like this one time they got me and and I really don't regret it. Like I obviously I'm very angry with so many of the things that Trump has done.
44:54>> But I felt, you know, I feel like you can only regret something when you like you look back and you go, I I could have seen this and made a different decision and that's why I got it wrong. I was like, no, I [ __ ] I was as deep in this [ __ ] as >> the information that you had.
45:09>> Yeah. And I like I wasn't ignoring anything. Even in the episode where I announced it, I said worst case scenario with Donald Trump round two is war with Iran. You guys can go back and watch my episode. That's what I said. So >> jinx.
45:23>> I'm just saying I warned my audience.
45:25And I also said don't follow me into this. This is my choice. Make your own make your own calculus. I trust each and every one of you. I'm not [ __ ] trying to, you know, become some booster for some party or anything like that. I'm making my own choice. I don't I don't feel any shame in it. I feel like I made I made the the only logical decision that I could make at that time. But the key is, as I said earlier with Tucker, >> do you hold those politicians to account when they fail you? And are you willing to sacrifice something to hold them to account? And that's why I respect Tucker Carlson so much because he's put himself
45:59on the outs because he was willing to just continue to beat the drum and say, "No, I'm not I'm not buying your revision revisionist 1984 history. I know what you said. You said that the entire wars in the Middle East, the entire global war and terror was built on a lie. You he made his name in South Carolina when he said >> you your brother lied us into Iraq."
46:21>> Yep. I remember that.
46:23>> He and for the record, people forget this. He got booed for saying that.
46:28>> But then he won.
46:29>> Then he won because >> he got booed by the donor class that was in the audience.
46:32>> Exactly. Exactly. Because that's that's the key thing to understand is that the audience there is the donor class. So they boo because they want it to be reflected to the public who's watching at home who doesn't understand that those are the donors that they go that's an unpopular thing.
46:45>> Uhhuh.
46:45>> But it wasn't because the people at home had military veteran sons and fathers and daughters and they were like yeah he's right, dude. They lied us into this war. So my point is all all I really expect of people is to be honest about I I hoped that Trump and his promises he would deliver on >> 30%. We got 10, you know, >> and I'm very angry about it. Um, but am I going to at least be loud about it? Am I going to hold him to account?
47:16>> That's all I can do.
47:17>> That's all you can do.
47:18>> That's that's all that's in my power. We as a society also have to at some point from like a group think perspective look in the mirror and think about how as a people we decide to coalesce and organize around things because we keep doing this thing where every four years we're like all right shitty option one and shitty option two >> and it shouldn't be that way. This is America. This should be a place where like at some point you have a president like George Washington that like the majority of people are really [ __ ] proud of, you know?
47:47>> Well, I agree with you, man. I think it's also and look I'm not I'm not putting the blame on the American people but the truth is that the American people are deeply propagandized and and maleducated like not even lacking education but actually having education that is counterproductive. So it's a very it's a big uphill climb to even coales around an idea of what is the remedy.
48:13>> Yeah. As I said earlier, you've got half the people who are, you know, politically engaged and enlightened and awake think that racism and transphobia is the [ __ ] grave gravest danger that we face in the world today. It's like we're currently waging a proxy war between the two largest nuclear powers and you guys are still talking about [ __ ] bigotry. Like how stupid are you? So that's the problem is like we have to I agree with you. Yes, we need to coales. Yes, we need to have a third option. Yes, we need to have uh you know uh not just a knee-jerk reaction to the left right you know paradigm swing. We
48:50have to have a principled alternative. But you can only get a principled alternative into power if there is actually a demand for it. And as of now, even though you and I and our audiences probably all want that, I still don't think that we're the majority. And unfortunately, I don't think that we're close. I think we're 25% of the population. That might even be high. But >> yeah, I'm being optimistic.
49:13>> Yeah. Yeah. No, which is sad. But like when we were talking about earlier about people not having to get their own food now and [ __ ] like that and the conveniences and comfort of society, another thing I've always thought about is with the exception of terrorist attacks in 1941 and 2001 and the War of 1812, we have never been invaded and it shows. M you know we have we have geographic privilege >> in this country compared to most places around the world including some other superpowers just by our lack of borders on the east and west and you know we can argue about the cartel and drug threat
49:47and [ __ ] like that but places that aren't going to beat us in a war to the north and south if you know what I mean.
49:52>> Not even close.
49:53>> Not even close. So there is a level of Americana exceptionalism and complacency that has been generationally built in to all of us to you know you and I included >> of course >> as well and I don't really know >> and it feels good.
50:12>> It feels good but like what about the moment where it all comes down? Well, that that's the whole problem is that we are while we are almost impervious to military attack, we're way too focused on external enemies and not nearly focused enough on the internal.
50:29>> I mean, what what collapses an empire is almost never another invading army. It's almost never that, right?
50:38>> It's always the currency. Always. Every single time. So, I mean, the fact that we're not learning those lessons is just unforgivable. I mean, the fact that we're talking about as our empire is obviously flailing and and starting to fail that we are talking about spending 1.5 trillion a year in defense increase an increase of more than 50% of our already, as we already did the math, a match of the 10 largest defenses in the world at 1.5 trillion. I honestly think that you could probably tabulate all of the defenses of every nation on earth and it would be comparable to just what America intends to spend. This is it's
51:17suicide and it's not we're not going to lose a war unless and until the dollar loses its purchasing power and that time is coming. And that is Ron Paul's warning from 20 years ago and it's Rothbart's and Mises's warning from a hundred years ago and it's my warning to you today. It is coming. So we have a choice to change that. But we have to we have to coales around that idea and that understanding and not get sidetracked with the MetGala and >> wokeness and racism and all that.
51:48>> But that would also require us understanding that there are multiple classes of people that are completely unelected that we don't see.
51:56>> Sure.
51:56>> Who are effectively making these decisions that we don't know about. And you would think that now that we have at least 3 million of the emails that very clearly show that this exists and intermingles things like intelligence, sex trafficking, arms deals, and all the [ __ ] funding of wars and currency wars and problems around the world. You would think that people would wake up to that, but we continue to get lost in whatever the next news cycle is. And stories like that somehow die out when the evidence is right there in front of us to have our moment, not even a revolutionary moment, but a moment of
52:24like, wait a minute, this system is not what we're told it is. we have to we have to take that back and whether that is like people have to actually form a third party or so I don't know but like there has to be a conversation that happens and that's where I get cynical because I see it I mean we've been covering the Epstein files in here we're going to continue to do it because it's it it's the biggest story of my lifetime in my opinion but you know can goes down the road the song keeps playing the wheels keep turning people go outside and you know they worry about other [ __ ] and they don't realize that
52:59it's still all happening like that.
53:00>> Yeah. Well, and I mean, just so your audience knows, you probably already familiar, but this is this has been uh, you know, a debate that libertarians have been having forever.
53:10>> There's always this argument of third party versus what we describe as the paleo strategy that Rothbart popularized this in the 1990s when I think I think he kind of broke broke ranks and he ended up uh supporting I think it was Buchanan. I think it was Buchanan in like 92 or something like that.
53:27>> So I'm more of the Rothbart school. Like I Murray Rothbart, he's a Austrian economist guy. Anyways, moving on. Um I think that that our best avenue is to side with the party that aligns with us most closely and then side with the elements within that party that that push our ideology the furthest. So that's why I'm a believer in and why I've been such a huge booster of Thomas Massie. I honestly believe he's our best hope. I think that he's got not a good chance but an outside chance of one of running and winning the nomination in 28 because I think people are what you're describing that that kind of universal
54:08discuss this bipartisan discuss with the establishment. Everybody recognizes that Thomas Massie is not the establishment.
54:15He's not that. whether you have disagreements with them or what whatever like a lot of lefties have massive disagreements with with Thomas Massie obviously but they respect him and I think that they would vote for him and I think that there's a ton of right-wingers that are America first and they [ __ ] mean it that they would vote for Thomas Massie even if they have disagreements about X Y and Z. So I think he's our best hope in 28. Beyond that it's get ready for Fuentes in >> 36. I'm just I'm telling you what's going to happen.
54:47>> Listen, a lot a lot can happen between now and then. I I I hope to see us, you know, like if we're in that crisis moment of the fourth turning, I hope to see this turn, you know, and we can just >> calm down. But you're absolutely right.
54:59I think about the about the reserve currency issue every single day. People have no idea >> that that is the entire house of cards right there.
55:08>> It's everything. And just a little I feel as if you're rapping, but I I just got to say the straight of hormuz is super important for people that don't understand like what it's about. 30% of global oil traffic annually goes through the straight of hormones. But it's not just that. It's fertilizer and all sorts of important things that are necessary for food production. It also is one of the main supply lines to Europe, which is allegedly an ally of ours, even though we seem to be attempting to destroy them. I anybody's guess as to why I don't know. Um but then obviously it's also a proxy against China which
55:42gets a lot of its oil from Iran. Uh which is also where the Venezuela play comes in most likely because they were a supplier of of crude oil to China as well. But the point that I'm trying to get to is the reason that the navigable waters matter so much in that arena is that after the gold standard was ended, after the gold window was closed in in 73, we replaced it by backing up the dollar with the what was called the petrod dollar system where we we got the Saudis and some other Middle Eastern nations to agree to sell their oil and gas exclusively in the US dollar.
56:17>> That became the underpinning by which our dollar maintained its value. It became the primary trading currency of the world because of that petro dollar system.
56:27The Iranians are playing for keeps. What they're saying is that we now control the straight of of Hormuz and if you want to transit it, then you have to kick out the United States and the Israeli ambassador from your nation and you have to trade in a currency other than the US dollar.
56:43>> Right?
56:43>> That's all they're saying. And you would think you would think that that's a minor ask when the rest of the world just really really wants to trade through there. But what that means is the death of the US dollar as the reserve currency of the world. That means all of those trillions of dollars that are used for global trade come flooding back home domestically because they have no purpose abroad. That means that you have hyperinflation and you have a complete death spiral of our economy.
57:07>> So when I say that this [ __ ] matters, >> trust me, it matters.
57:12>> Future's bright everybody. Well, >> nobody worried.
57:15>> But this is why you have to [ __ ] stand shoulder-to-shoulder on the libertarians when we talk about this war [ __ ] It ain't just about woe is me. I really don't like to see kids blown up.
57:26If that works for you, great. It should.
57:29Um, but if it doesn't, at least hear us when it comes to the practicality of it.
57:33Yep.
57:33>> The financial.
57:34>> Yep.
57:34>> Do you want to be able to afford a home?
57:36Do you want to have a family, kids?
57:37Anything? Okay, this matters. This is the moment to realize that, you know, we've been divided on this like left right battle over the years. And it's like, yes, people have some different ideas on how to get to a solution, but people generally want the same things.
57:49Life, liberty, family, health, the pursuit of happiness.
57:52>> And it's like, if ever there was a moment for us to understand the battle is is class versus politics, this is it.
57:59So, I appreciate any message that comes from the left-leaning side or the right leaning side on that. You're obviously a right-leaning guy with with the libertarianism, but extremely extremely well informed, man. And you know, the stuff you've talked about, like I like I said, I've followed you on Twitter now for a couple years. Like you're constantly in my feed. And like, >> you know, it's nice to hear people actually like putting actions behind the things that they believe in. And you've definitely done that, whether it be through your show or like even working with inside the Libertarian Party in the
58:28past. Like >> that's pretty cool. and and I I I hope you keep trying to educate people so that we can avoid some of these pitfalls we're facing right now.
58:36>> Well, I appreciate it, man. When I had you on my show a couple months ago, I said, uh, I feel like we're only in the second or third evolution of the podcasting world. Like, as you said, this is still fairly early into it. And I feel like you are that next wave. And and I'm thrilled that you've been as successful as you have been. And I just love it when I see people that I like >> kicking ass. You know what I mean? It's like it it just tells me that I think I think that there's reason for optimism.
59:04I said it earlier. I mean it. Yes. I lay out a very pessimistic outlook when I'm talking about, you know, global finance, but >> it's not it's not coming from a place of pessimism. It's fixable.
59:16>> Yeah, it's fixable. It is. But the information battle is what we, you know, as Alex Jones said, it's the information war.
59:22>> We got to win the information war. And then >> and once we win that, the rest will fall into place. So, if anybody wants to check out the show Liberty Lock, thank you.
59:29>> Yeah, we'll we'll collab this so people can subscribe. As long as you're good with that, people can subscribe literally hitting like next to the title on the video. You'll see Clint's channel. Check it out. Great stuff. I was on the show a couple months ago.
59:39>> Yeah, I'm almost at 100,000 subscribers.
59:41So, if you guys get me that [ __ ] silver plaque for the love of God.
59:44>> All right, we got to get him a silver plaque. That should be enough right there. Everyone, go subscribe to Clint.
59:49Thank you for being here, brother. I appreciate it.
59:51>> Anytime, man.
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