0:01And again like uh you know I've heard like I said I've traveled a lot too and I think where it gets to why he thinks that way versus why a German who's like average worker thinks that no German is better. Right? I would argue right now hell no. But like I'm talking about like 10 15 years ago, right?
0:22Like again, I think the US gives you the opportunity to be that 1% if you wanted to. Well, not if you wanted to, but you have the capability if you're a little bit sociopetic, if you're like, you know, if you got all the right things like a cocktail, then then you can probably get there. Other countries cannot give you that. And I would argue the reason they can't give you that are partially our fault too in the US. Well, how do you >> I mean we we overthrow and you know the the democratically elected leaders we cause chaos in the world like we are the number one terrorist of the world. No doubt about that. And the reason these
0:59countries are authoritarian is because they have to be because otherwise they're going to go in a coup or a baton or something like that you know up there. I'm not going to talk about what happened to certain people but like you know like Gaddafi or others right and they know and that's something that no one talks about like I'll give you an a a quick example >> of country of Georgia country in Georgia is the most peaceful like and I can talk about it because I'm from like like I said I was born in Georgia I know what it's about look at its history and tell me if they ever tried to conquer anyone
1:35really >> ever oh ever tried to conquer somebody >> conquer somebody No, they they are like they've been conquered a gazillion times. They won the wars like you know they lost the wars like >> I mean these people have been through everything really it's fascinating like how they are still alive how they managed to like have the gene they had like this coding right like without mixing it with that like it's incredible but here's what what happened just recently so we are using Ukraine as a proxy right like we we're fighting through Ukraine this war with Russia so that we can weaken Russia and the usual
2:08wararmonger [ __ ] that I'm so over with like over and tired. Then we have the CIA working really hard to overthrow Georgian government who says, "I'm not going to get into war. It's not my war.
2:22Leave me alone." They threatened the premier minister of Georgia and this is like uh EU and the US and Brits, right?
2:31You know, remember what happened to FTO?
2:34FTO got shot.
2:35>> Like stay in line, bro, or you will be dead.
2:38>> This is on record that they >> Yeah. He came out and says they threatened to kill me. They they told me remember what happened to FITO. This is a country focused on Georgia. Like this government is focused on Georgia.
2:49They're like we want to be great. We want to do all these good things like you know reforming education all of that. What do you want bro? Like why do you want to cause a mess there? See that's what we do. That's what we did in Latin America. Like what? I I killed Hoser Rudolfph or Rudos or something like you know we go in we overthrow people like what happened to Mosadic in Iran?
3:14>> Why kill a democratically elected leader that only wants to do good [ __ ] for his country? What's the deal?
3:19>> Well, define good [ __ ] for his country.
3:22>> Well, he wanted to nationalize stuff that that meant that it would be good for the country like oil and other things and we didn't >> nationalize it.
3:29>> Yeah.
3:29>> I mean that's >> like So so here's what we do. Let me explain something. Yeah, that would be fascist.
3:35>> So when CIA goes um into the countries, they do something called like they want to do private privatization of of the assets, right? And they usually put it in the hands of very little uh very few people in in the country and the people that they can control. They did the same thing with Sakash really in Georgia like 2003 rose revolution. So they own everything, right? Mhm.
4:01>> Well, how is that good for the country when it you know your biggest assets don't belong to people? How is that good for the country?
4:08>> I see what you're saying.
4:09>> But the but the opposite doesn't necessar that's not necessarily good either. Like I don't >> So let me say hold two thoughts at the same time. Imagine that.
4:20>> I think the current Iranian regime is [ __ ] insane. And who and a disaster on Hold on.
4:28I also think we shouldn't be in any way going out of our way to start a war and overthrow their government, which is just playing right into the hands of the propaganda that wouldn't then be propaganda because it'd be exactly what it looks like. That would make people say, "Well, maybe this isn't so bad." If you really believe that something is wrong, and I do like the Iranian people don't like their government. I agree with them on that. They're going to have to overthrow it themselves or do it.
4:55>> Couldn't agree more. Couldn't agree more. That's exactly what I'm trying to say here. But we don't allow that though. Here's the thing. We don't even overthrow per se the dictatorial governments. Somehow the record is sometimes we do, but if you look at the record of the overthrows that we know about, there are probably plenty we don't know about, but the ones that we know about, I mean, most of them are people who just said, "I'm not going to be your puppet. I'm going to do something for my country."
5:23you you might might want to read a book called um >> economic.
5:28>> Yes. Yes. I saw where you're going with that.
5:30>> Yeah. So like but but it's true though.
5:32He's absolutely right. And how do you think that goes down in international politics and here's what people don't understand. Everything you do in other countries backfires and comes back to you. like international policies are very much like a boomerang to our domestic policies, right? I'll explain something. So foreign countries, how do you think they lobby us into action?
5:59Like tell me your opinion and then we can take it from there. Like why do you think why do you think that other countries do have an effect on our Congress or Senate?
6:09I would imagine if I'm being very broad with my answer where it's economically feasible for us to continue our you know ability to wield power economically and therefore just in general around the world then >> you know we'll look at it even if it's actually not going to help with that.
6:27>> We just convince ourselves. So you're saying that like foreign countries lobby you to help me understand foreign countries lobby you to like keep keep the power overseas like that that >> they lobby you in a way that makes you think oh >> you have power over us and we'll do whatever you want. Is that what it is?
6:47>> No no no no cuz I there's a lot of different countries that could be used as example for this in different context. What I'm trying to I I want to be clear so the people I'm not convoluting people out here.
6:58I'm saying that we our bureaucracy is so high on its own supply >> that when another country >> Yeah.
7:07>> which is [ __ ] every country around the world at some point asking for a favor.
7:11>> Couldn't agree more.
7:12>> Minus, you know, probably like China and Russia, but like when another country comes to us asking for a favor, we look at it like fresh meat. Like, ooh, what can we get out of that? And how can we actually like advance our economic interests around the world even if that's not how it's going to end up going down? That's what I mean, >> right? I agree. So, I can tell you one example. For example, just recently again like um I'm only using Georgia as an example because I know what's going on. It's like one of my forte like my my topics. I can use Russia. I can use Israel if you want. Uh but Israel and
7:44Palestine was never my thing as a journalist. So, I usually stay away even though I have pretty strong opinions about that too. But um recently country of Georgia put up this um like news article and then they had like a I think short segment in the EMA TV I think where they were saying that opposition party which is Sakashi which was a puppet for the CIA Sakash National Party. We can talk about that too. Like that guy is in incredibly interesting.
8:16Like the guy who was involved in both Georgian revolution and then I would argue that he was a huge figure to what happened to Ukraine. Like a big player in that too. Now he's in prison by the way for the crimes he did with the CIA or without them. I don't care. But anyway, so they put up an article how this party transfers money to a firm in in the US >> that lobbies Joe Wilson like uh to do whatever they want. So put up uh if you can go to my axe account and there's an article about it.
8:54>> So and then in return >> your your ex account is wild. I'll read through it. I need to get a shower afterwards. Oh [ __ ] >> So like I can tell you um I put this article up. I was like they are so going to come after me after this. I don't care. So go to articles or just go down and it's called um >> when did you post?
9:17>> It's way down go down down >> like September.
9:20>> Uh yeah I think so.
9:21>> What was the article about?
9:22>> I think it's called an agent or like uh it was about Joe Wilson and taking the money from this firm. Uh, hold on. It's gonna be there. There. Foreign agent.
9:33Yeah. Open that.
9:34>> So, in here I explain. Yeah. I in here I explain how the the whole thing went down. What was the firm that got the money and then lobbied Joe Wilson to be like pretty much like say lies like Georgian government stopped building Trump tower in Batumi. What? Never happened. like and and the guy supports the people protesting in the streets against government. So people who want to overthrow the government, he supports them and what they do which is like they break I mean they they >> broke everything in the city. They went in and um tried to like uh ambush, if I correctly recall, they tried to break
10:18into presidential residence. And this is Joe Wilson, the same dude who said to January 6 people, "How dare you?" Oh, really, Joey? Because if it's against you that American people are coming for, then you don't get to protest and you don't get to break in. But if it's Georgia, yeah, dude, like go overthrow the government.
10:38>> Like, this is where they fail American people. these double standards that yes we fuel revolutions yes we overthrow other leaders like and then it backfires on us and that's the tragedy of this country we just don't get it and I think the only president that actually got it was President Kennedy and this is why he said no like it's just not going to happen this way anymore like we're not going to be you know giving power to Israel we're not going to be like overthrowing people overseas we're just not going to do this [ __ ] anymore and they killed him >> as simple I do think it's very well established on record that basically
11:16everyone ironically with the exception of >> oh my god what the [ __ ] was his name the guy who took over after Stalin >> oh Kruev >> Kruev >> pretty much everyone in the world including in our own government hated John F. Kennedy and I do agree with you on many fronts that you know John F.
11:34Kennedy was a normal human. He had his own flaws as a human, but when it came to being a leader and an ideologue, >> right?
11:41>> He had a lot of amazing ideas that today it would be very hard to put him in a political box with that, which I really like about him. Like he was very there's no doubt about it that he was so like pro- American standards. ironically, you know, a scion of like a a a family that probably got their wealth through gotten gains and everything, but like he found a way to kind of break away into his own lane and talk about crazy things like denuclearizing the world, you know, or >> maybe we shouldn't just overthrow governments because we can, right? Like these are just insane ideas, you know?
12:20>> Absolutely. And he was against the war.
12:22He was like he talked I think the first president I don't know we have to check first and the only president who ever mentioned secret societies and how there is no place for secret societies >> in a free country and free world.
12:37>> Yeah >> like the only president >> interesting >> yeah and I think Kruev called him uh the best president the US ever had or something like that. It's not helping his case. But yeah, I I I understand that was crazy.
12:52>> He did he did I'm saying like from a propaganda perspective doesn't help his case.
12:57you know, Krushche and him had that famous red line that they actually talked on and they actually had some sort of I wouldn't call it a I mean, I I wouldn't call it a friendship, but they had an understanding with each other where their relationship even though their politics were obviously different, >> they didn't have a hatred for each other, which you know that sometimes I wonder how much that contributed to us not blown up the [ __ ] world.
13:27>> I agree. And we are there right now and unfortunately, you know, I don't know like see this is this is very interesting. Okay, so have you ever asked why are you like so hostile with Russians? Like why? Like you can see it as an American thing.
13:43Okay, what's up with that? Like why can't we be friends with Russians?
13:47Because they they are very similar to us white Christians. Um they want freedom.
13:53They understand freedom. They are very intelligent like when it gets to you know development all of that like I mean they they they were the ones who went to space we faked the moonlanding and all >> we did >> we did >> you think we did >> what if I told you a person who's very credible very credible I can't name the person but I can I can tell you behind the scenes told me that we faked the mending who was like involved in the process >> the sources thing >> I can't I can't go with that you can't unfortunat I I would agree with Listen, listen. I'm open-minded. I just >> Sometimes it does feel like
14:29>> we throw the baby out with the bathwater and because >> we see some things as evil in our government, righteously so, we then have to say, you know what, all of it's a lie. There's not one thing we did. And for me with the moon landing, my biggest argument against >> against people saying we never did it.
14:46I'm not saying we definitely did, but >> every country in the world, including our closest allies, >> right, >> in many cases, would have had a reason to try to disprove that we did that because it was such an achievement on the world stage that they would have been like, "We want to do it first." And nobody did.
15:09>> I I would argue that they wouldn't give a [ __ ] >> Why? Why wouldn't they give a [ __ ] >> Because because the moon for Yeah.
15:16Because here's the thing, like Soviets when they went in space, like, "Yeah, that was great." Like that was really, really great. So, uh, but why would achievement like that be a threat to them in any way really? I mean, they can come back and say, "So what? Good job.
15:33You landed on the moon. We went um up in space. The first the first dog, first human." Like, I just >> It's a big deal walking on another object that is not the Earth.
15:44>> It is a big deal. But I just don't see how it's a threat to them. Like I just don't see it. To me, it would be great.
15:50Like >> it's a great piece of propaganda.
15:53>> It's an amazing piece of propaganda.
15:54>> Could be. I don't know. Like not I guess I can't see it. I I might be very um subjective on that because I wouldn't be able to like I would be okay another great achievement for humankind. Like this is how I would look at it and not >> that's how I would look at it too. But you understand that's not how the masses that get fed look at.
16:12>> Yes. Yes. It could be. It could be. It's just um yeah, it's very hard to believe what they are showing as far as like moonlanding go. And then you listen to people who have dissected the case and it's like I don't know. But then I do trust the person that I talked to. So I don't know. Like again I don't know but I think that this person is correct. So I don't know. Well, that's the thing about that I always try to check myself with because my brain, not just the moon landing, but with anything, my brain can go to it's a lie about something immediately on pretty much everything because sometimes I wonder
16:51>> if co was obviously there were aspects of it that were a social experiment, but if part of the social experiment was, ooh, let's break people. Let's break them one way or the other. Either they defend everything and say it's all real or they say nothing's real at all. You go from [ __ ] Rachel Matto to Candace Owens and there's no in between.
17:13>> And so conspiracies are very real. There are many that have been proven. We have one in modern history right now that is the clearest as day thing I've ever seen in my life in Epstein. I just had a guy here who tracked all the phones to the [ __ ] island. I mean, it's real.
17:28>> It's real. But then we have other ones that people will claim and it's not real. And what it does is it create in my opinion is it creates noise so that if you believe these 10 things, one of them is 100% real and it's bad.
17:44>> The people that are in charge of that thing can go, >> "Oh, you're going to listen to them?
17:48Look at the other nine things they believe." Exactly.
17:51>> And I try to be so careful with that.
17:53And what I like about my show like in doing this is that I can have on given issues a perspective of you here and then I can have my friend David Sadder here and you guys have some very different opinions. You both have something in common and you've both been on the ground >> right >> over there and and seen this stuff and understand what it is and you just have wildly different perspectives. My job isn't to be like David you're 100% right or Elizabeth you're 100% right. My job is to push back on some things, let you talk on a lot of other stuff, and let everyone else out there kind of decide for themselves and land there. And I
18:24would hope that like the nuance gets infected where they go, you know, >> I don't agree with David on that. He made a terrible case. You know what, Elizabeth, her case on this was good.
18:34Her case on that was not good. Maybe, you know what I mean?
18:36>> And that's exactly what every podcaster, journalist, talk show host should do.
18:41Like, let people decide if the case was made here. Yeah. You know, I I think that's the right way to do it. And I agree with you on a conspiracy theory stuff. Like it's crazy. I mean, the flat earth and this like stupid stuff. But I think that's exactly why it's there. I think you're right. You said something that I always say like when I start investigating the case, I look at the case and I'm like, "Okay, what's noise and what's a real thing here?" Right?
19:07like that noise allows people to get like completely I guess they become you know how do I say this not lost kind of but almost like delusional you know what I mean and that's exactly what certain forces I would say would want because you're delusional you're not >> you know cohesive you're you can't make right decisions you're absolutely all over the place and you know people are people there are still people who are on the opposite side of things too like for example there are people who believe that Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald right to me they are a special case they should be stud you know they
19:49should be a study case somewhere like it's it's crazy but um but yeah >> bullets are magic I don't know if you knew that magic of course yeah really >> we've proven that with everything we've proven that with Kennedy we've proven that with Charlie Kirk proven that with everybody right yeah absolutely Yeah.
20:07>> But yeah, it just bothers me like how much misinformation there is like when it gets to the whole like Russia Ukraine war and whole uh you know and the Soviet Union itself though like that's another really like tough case for >> Well, let's unpack that. What what what specifically Yeah. Yeah. What what do what do you think is like the >> the main calling cards of like we're wrong about this?
20:30>> Every the whole thing.
20:31>> The whole thing.
20:32>> The whole thing. So they were fascists, not communist even.
20:34>> No, no, no, no, no. I mean, obviously they were communist. Yeah, of I mean, yes, of course. Like, I'm talking about um >> they were communists. They were authoritarian. Okay.
20:46>> But I feel like most Americans see it as like communism is like one thing, right?
20:50I I'm sure you see it too. If I said like what was communist like explain to me what was communist communism in in Soviet Union, explain Soviet Union as an American to me for like >> You want me to do that?
21:00>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
21:01>> Okay. So we already established it was where the government took control of all privatized.
21:08>> Why the government? Who government?
21:09>> What government?
21:10>> The people in charge of the communist government.
21:12>> Who?
21:13>> The revolutionaries.
21:14>> Okay.
21:15>> Who?
21:16>> Well, they changed multiple times, >> right?
21:18>> So what how many leaders of communism party and in general the Soviet Union do you know? How many leaders? Let's >> So it started it started with the original revolutionaries. You had Len, you had Lenon, you had Trosky, >> and then you went to Stalin. Stalin started the programs and hello to more as Andy would say.
21:37>> Okay. So, >> and then you had him till 53. Cruchef comes in in 53 >> after Cruf. Who the [ __ ] was in there?
21:45>> So, so you know more than most. Okay.
21:48Yeah.
21:48>> So, all right. Let's unpack obviously.
21:51>> So, let's unpack that.
21:53>> Who was Strosky? Where where did it come from? Like, let me let me break this Soviet myth for you real quick.
22:00>> The Soviet myth?
22:00>> Yeah. All right, break it.
22:01>> So, who was Rosski? Where where was he living before he became this amazing revolutionary who somehow took down? No, >> no, he ended up in Mexico.
22:11>> Yes, he got shot. He got killed. Um, so who was where was Trosky? You want to know where he was?
22:17>> He wasn't in Georgia, was he?
22:19>> He was here in New York.
22:20>> Oh, he's in New York.
22:21>> Yes, he was here in New York. Isn't that shocking?
22:25>> You know what else? You know what really you know what else he was doing in New York? So Trosky was in New York and he was somehow able to have a chauffare like a private driver uh refrigerator that was a luxury back in the day. Um and all this like very well off like you know style items for a person that wrote for a minuscule weird newspaper once in a while that no one read. Like doesn't that strike you all? So you're saying he's a communist who lived in nice opulence. Never heard of that before.
23:00>> Yeah. Well, Trosky actually it's well documented. Read the book Bolevik Wall Street and Bolshevik Revolution by Anthony Sutton and another one that did a really good documentation. His name escapes me now, but he's a Swiss historian. So they pretty much track where these communists came from and overthrows are and it was bought, paid and funded by the banks in the west. So isn't that funny?
23:31>> Why would they do that?
23:32>> Exactly. See that's the question. I like I have my theories but I don't know >> what would be your theory. So let's start with that. So this is not based in fact. This is Elizabeth's theory.
23:43>> So let's start with facts first and then we can move to the theory. Right. So uh Bolevik revolution and the wall street is is a great book to start reading and then I will remember the Swiss historian's name too. So this track Stroskis I mean it's real fact that Strosky was living in New York and he was getting a a salary and he had a chauffeur and a driver and he had a a refrigerator and all of these items and the question becomes where this guy had the money for all this stuff. Then he goes to conduct a revolution in Russia and he goes through Canada. He gets caught in Nova Scotia again a fact.
24:15Okay, we have documentations for it. He gets caught in Nova Scotia with ton of money and they're like, "Where are you going?" And then all of a sudden, Canadian authorities get a go-ahad so that he can pass and they just let him go.
24:30>> So he ends up with Lennin. Who was Lennin and where was he living? Do you remember? Because he was not >> in 1917.
24:37>> Yeah. Before Before he became revolutionary, before he ever entered Russia, where was he? Cuz he was not living in Russia. He was in Switzerland, >> right? So, um, if I correct, he's a Swed Switzerland. So, they sent Lennin and Trosky the same time to Russia with ton of money. Why? Who are these people? Why do they have so much money like they are nobodyies when you look at their background, right? And then they start investing this money in communism and bullsheism, right? So, they gather like this this like-minded people. This is where later on Stalin joins them. Like he's a nobody in the beginning. And
25:15that's another thing like most people don't even know who Stalin was. And these historians in the west that come out and blabber a bunch of [ __ ] And I'm like what ground do you have?
25:25>> What kind of [ __ ] do they blabber?
25:27>> Like a lot of [ __ ] about Stalin that that is not even remotely right.
25:32>> Like what?
25:34>> I mean we'll do you want me to give you a breakdown of say so for example? Give me a breakdown cuz there's there's well est like I have no doubt let me let me let me let me let me he's from Georgia.
25:46Let me let me let me start with this.
25:49>> I have no doubt that at no point in history >> when victors have emerged, >> right?
25:57>> Will you ever see something where the story told is 100% correct? Doesn't exist. Like I stud I study I study the American Revolution like the back of my hand. I'm very glad it happened. I'm very glad they did it. These guys were amazing. There's still 10% of things that sometimes do get written down, just not really talked about that. It's like that was a little [ __ ] up, but like that's that's war.
26:18>> Exactly.
26:19>> So with Stalin, I have no doubt that there could be pieces where they're like, "Oh, you know, Stalin made it rain in [ __ ] Africa one day." And like he didn't actually do that. Yeah.
26:28>> But we are talking about a guy who is documented. I remember talking about this with the Boli when I had him on here. He's got a great YouTube channel and he studies this inside out. We're talking about a guy who who is documented to have murdered >> millions and millions of people. So I don't see any nuance with like, oh well Stalin misunderstood. No, he was a [ __ ] who was just very upset about his No. Did you listen to what I said? What did I say?
26:55>> You said that there's been a lot of lies and propaganda about him. So I'm getting >> which is true. Which is true. Right. So and what else did I say? Do you know where Trosk and Lon Lenin lived? You said I don't know where. I told you where. This is a fact. You can look it up. Why don't you look it up where he lived? Like it it is it is a fact. So this is where like when you talk about noise comes in. Was Stalin a dictator?
27:16Did he kill people? Yeah, of course he did. But was he everything that West told you he was? Absolutely not.
27:23>> In what in what ways?
27:24>> Many ways. So let's start from here. Do you remember the time when Stalin was Uncle Joe? Really? He was not a murderous dictator then when we were helping him. Oh, okay. Well, okay. So, what changed?
27:37>> The war the war ended.
27:38>> I I see. War ended and then we wanted all these territories that Soviets got and we wanted to overthrow and dismantle Russia and all of a sudden he became a bad guy. Right.
27:46>> Right.
27:46>> Right. So, >> to to be to be to be fair though, that was all propaganda. They never liked him behind the scenes. FDR [ __ ] hated him.
27:53>> So, of course they did because they all thought he was a because he was absolutely against the globalist elites.
27:58And that's the story that no one tells you. So you you don't have good guy and bad guy here. You have bad guys. Okay.
28:06>> I I understand that, Elizabeth. But I I this is where I got to push back on this. I'm not make put aside like Western leaders being all good. They're not. We We'll come back to that.
28:18>> But like if Jeffrey Dmer were against the global elites, I'm not going to sit here and say, you know, Jeffrey was misunderstood. Like if you are murdering millions of people, >> that's not what I'm saying. You're a scumbag. I don't know what to tell you.
28:30>> So again, like millions of people, exactly how many million? Like millions of people? I I first of all, the numbers are not there to support it. That's one.
28:39The second, you have to understand the guy to talk about him. Like for example, if you want to talk about Jeffrey Dmer, I personally can't talk about Jeffrey Dmer. I know who he was like in history, but I don't know. I don't understand the guy. I can't talk about him because I don't I have not reviewed his case.
28:55>> He was a bad guy.
28:56>> Great. So, so was Stalin. No one argues that he was a bad guy. But the question is when you have bad and the worst for humanity like what is your choice exactly? So let's talk about Stalin, shall we? What exactly do you know about Stalin? What exactly do you know you >> I mean I've already laid out some of it.
29:13>> Okay. So where where was he born?
29:15Georgia. Where?
29:16>> I don't know where. Okay. How long he he stayed there? What was his profession like? Do you know anything about the guy? Like >> I don't remember. I have studied this in the past off the top of my head like like we're being quizzed in school. I don't remember what he did when he was growing up.
29:30>> Exactly. So that that's where that's where I have problem like no one really does.
29:34>> So I'm like when I talk to people they get so upset they because they don't have the information and I'm like stop it.
29:40>> Let's give it. So Stalin grew up by the way he was not Russian in any shape and form. He was not even Slav. He was Georgian.
29:48>> He was Georgian.
29:49>> Yeah. So he was born in Gory and he wanted to be a priest.
29:54So he started as a he he studied to become a priest in a seminary. So his f his mother was super religious and he she believed in like God and she was like you know crazy religious. She's still buried by the way in a pantheon which is like only for holy people. So in Georgia and this is the background that people do not know about Stalin. So he um he he's in Georgia till the like the first marriage and he has a first kid in Georgia and then the wife dies because she was ill and after the pregnancy it kind of got worse and she ended up dying and this is where Stalin decides you know what there must be no
30:33God because he was completely and utterly in love with this woman and when this tragedy happens he goes like f this world like there's nothing to it like you know I got to go and find something else for myself because all these dreams and stuff that he had to become a priest. He wanted to become priest. He was a poet by the way. He he has a whole book of poetry and all that [ __ ] written. And in that poetry, it's so funny. You read like the the stuff like my little country that is not free or upset oppressed because of Russia or something like that. this is the guy who wrote this [ __ ] and then becomes the
31:11Russian politan emperor or dictator whatever you want to call it right so all of this background is completely in trash no one talks about it in the west it's extremely important because it determines why he did things he did later on don't you think like every everybody's my childhood determines why I'm sitting here right >> I think it's very important just like Hitler getting kicked out of art school you know like [ __ ] those people should have let them in we would have saved >> ourselves exactly So then something very interesting happens like this is what I like when we talk about communism I always le ask
31:44people which communists what era it's it was all very different and that's where they're like kind of something there's like you know they they get so confused about it what do you mean like communist okay which ones because they were all different communism in Russia was all different according to who was in charge of them right so Lenin and Tro Trosky.
32:07Both of them were traders. They were bought and paid by globalists. That's why Russians hate Trosky. By the way, his last name was not Trosky. He was a Bronsteain. He was a Jewish uh descent.
32:18He bought the last name Trosky to assimilate with, you know, the the Slavic names and Poland and Russia and all that. In reality, he was he was Jewish. Um, so was Lenin. So, both of them come in. They have Western money to conduct the the revolution. They kill the Tar. Do you know which star they killed?
32:37>> Nicholas.
32:38>> Nicholas II. Yes. So >> Anastasia might have lived.
32:42>> No, she might.
32:43>> She didn't. She didn't, unfortunately.
32:45Do you know how they did it? Like it was so >> They killed him in a basement. They [ __ ] mowed him down.
32:49>> It was so heartbreaking. And this is the >> And they were related to the British royal family.
32:53>> Yes. Yes. See, like it's very rare that someone knows that. Yeah. Like they were cousins and they completely abandoned the king. It's like, yeah, I think they were in on it. That's why. So there there was no reason to decline him and not accept the Russian royal family in England for you know safe safe house.
33:11Like the reason they declined him is because Nicholas started saying [ __ ] like we need to you know we need disarmament. We need world peace. That's him. Like he believed in Renaissance and all that stuff and you have this ginormous country like Russia with all these resources. Do you have a leader that's pro peace and pro prosperity and pro you know renaissance and all that?
33:32And he's like, "Are you crazy?" And they killed the guy >> and brought the Bolevik revolution.
33:39>> And how we know again that he was funded by by the western elites because there was a Red Cross mission going on which again you can pull up a Red Cross mission if you if you you can find it.
33:50Uh Saturn details this in his book. Who was in this Red Cross mission? Why did it happen?
33:56>> Wait, can you explain the Red Cross mission?
33:58>> Right. Yeah. So they said they needed um so uh people have to understand the Bolsheviks were not that powerful force in the beginning okay no one cared for them like they tried like they multiple times to conduct a revolution they failed they could not conduct a revolution and turns out they needed more money so then red cross mission happens in you know in Russia um and the red cross was like when they or like when they suggested a mission red was like wait we don't need a mission in Russia like why are be doing this again. And if you look at who participated in that Red Cross mission, like it's all either lawyers, like
34:36financeers, bankers, and what they were trying to do is use Red Cross mission to funnel shitloads of money for the Bolshevik so they could finish the revolution. That's what it was about.
34:46>> None of this none of this part surprises me.
34:49>> Yeah. So that's why I'm saying like they brought communism on Russia and then they lost the control. exact same scenario like we always do. So you know when they lost the control when Stalin came in power >> so Lenin and Trosky Trosky till today is considered as a trader in Russia. Ask yourself why why is he a trader? Why not other like why not Stalin? Why not others?
35:13>> Why is Trosky a trader? Because he worked for the globalists. That's why he came from New York killed their tar gave bunch of gold by the way. What did communists do? Remember all this Russian gold that was shipped to Europe? Like why? What? They didn't want money. They It's stupid, right? So what happened is Lenny's last words are anybody but Stalin. Why? See, that's where history goes like completely haywire. Right. So anybody but Stalin. Why? Why?
35:46>> Because he wasn't he wasn't in on their scheme.
35:48>> Exactly. He was he was a random dude from Georgia who had his own devils in the head and he was not part of this one world order [ __ ] and he looked at it and I think I know exactly like I studied Stalin really well >> and I had all the right documents for it because I'm from Georgia. I can read Russian. I can read Georgian. You know what I mean? So like I think I know exactly when Stalin learned that this communism like he really believed in it, right? he himself and you can actually determine the time period when he he learns what this [ __ ] is about and he realizes that wait a second Trosky and
36:25Lenin they are bought like they they they are literally these puppets of the globalists and this might like whatever is going on is might not be real. M >> so this is where he actively starts to kind of take the power right and and he's like becoming more and more important figure he does really good he was a very good negotiator so every time like there was like some hard stuff to negotiate they would send him this how he advanced in the ranks like who was he some Georgian from Gory like are you kidding me like all of a sudden he became a very important figure and when he learned that this whole communism was
37:03not exactly what He thought because again this is why it's important to know a person's childhood entire poetry of his is about fairness about like my country being oppressed. So all of a sudden communist whether what do they say everyone's what >> equal equal even though that's not true right like but that was the message. So this young guy who lives because he was upset because his first wife died and leaves the kid with his very religious by the way mom to to raise. His name was uh Jacob. Jacob actually not Jacob but Jacob. And um he moves to Russia and all of this stuff that he always dreamed of
37:42all of a sudden is presented to him as communism. Like communist can can get you all this stuff, right? No royalty, no oppression, no nothing. And he ends up joining the communist party. But he ends up joining it because he believes in it.
37:55>> And then he learns that, hold on for a second, much bigger powers are at play here.
38:01>> And in my opinion, and this is my personal opinion, there's no way to prove it, is that he was >> he was not okay with this one world thing that was going on, right? Like he he was like very patriotic, which he was. So I call Stalin's patriotism as a toxic patriotism. Like cuz there there is such a thing as toxic patriotism for sure, right? When you allow everything and everything is acceptable for your country to to thrive like not everything is acceptable, right? So when you kind of cross every road red line to protect your country, that was Stalin and he was patriotic at first to Georgia and then
38:43to Russia, >> right? As like Soviet state, soviet republic. So when he learned that what did Stalin do exactly like when he came in power what did he do? He started killing who? Imprisoning and then killing who? The same bullshiks that conducted the revolution. Why? Why? Ask yourself.
39:03>> Because they we in the west >> to your point look at communism as one thing. Exactly.
39:10>> Which is the equivalent of being in the east and looking at >> Trump and Obama as the same exact person. makes no sense. Thank you.
39:19They're just a part of the same system.
39:21Okay. Exactly. And if I if if I >> I've I've had so many people >> come up to me off camera in the past 6 months. It's making me like terrified.
39:32>> Just taking history and saying, "Oh, there's one thing wrong for. Therefore, >> dump the whole thing out."
39:40>> That it's like it it it is actually bothering me. And I thought that's where you were going with him. I will I will I will agree. I will agree with you. So, I apologize for jumping on.
39:48>> No, no, you're a good I will agree with you that the way that things are, >> what's the word I'm looking for?
39:56>> Homogenized altogether is completely wrong. A lot of it is just propaganda.
40:01Make it simple for people to digest.
40:03There are a lot of nuances here. So, the way you just laid out that case is actually very fair in that it's not saying like, "Hey, >> these guys aren't evil and these guys aren't evil." No, they all suck, but like here's how it happened. Exactly. I understand that. Exactly. So that's what what like is lost on history and >> then what contributed to what you said that every Americans like head is filled with like communism just one thing and so on is the propaganda that followed of the globalist network against Stalin and all that because now like two bad guys are fighting for the power, right? So
40:41he's he's a toxic patriot who who's like in his head, well I you know what is this glo like what is this globalist [ __ ] going on here, right? Like am I going to get anything out of this? Like is Russia going to get anything? No.
40:53What Russia was supposed to do is got dismantled into parts, right? Like how would you play Russia in this like one world order? Like where where where where Russia fits nowhere because it's it's super complex geopolitically. It has Muslims, it has Christians, it has multiple diversities like when it gets to genome and and cultures and how they understand themselves. This is why Cheschna is a bomb in Russia, right? And we're not going to go into it because that's a whole another episode. Like >> is a what?
41:23>> Bomb >> is a bomb.
41:25>> Bomb ready to explode. Okay.
41:27>> Like not anymore because Putin knew how to deal with it. But it was a bomb and it did it did explode, right? like you know when when Chchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchchen war the whole thing happened because it's a Muslim country in the inside Russia with all these Christians and and above the different cultures in it right so Putin dealt it dealt with it brilliantly but again it's still a threat right it's still it's it's still very different from everything it's almost like having why not to divert from subject real quick but why are we so afraid of immigration it's the same principle
42:02Now you have like you know Muslims in UK praying in entire streets and UK people are coming out and saying like whoa what just happened here? What is going on?
42:13Well guess what that is a constant reality for Russians when it gets to chhatchens right and Russia figured out how to make friends between Christians and Muslims in a way that both chchen uh soldiers right now and Russian soldiers are fighting for Russia. They are not fighting for uh you know Christianity or Muslim or whatever. They are fighting for their land which is Russia and they are equally putting everything they've got into it right and they somehow figured this out that these like differences are no longer quite that distinct anymore. That was again Putin but before that Chachchna was a huge
42:49problem and so was many other play many other different nationalities including Georgia by the way we were part of Russia as well. So, you're dealing with this complex Soviet Union entity and how is it going to fit in your one world order? And Stalin could see that that not only it's not going to fit, they're going to out me dismantle Russia. Um, like what they did with Ukraine by by the way, Trosky was the guy who was saying, you know what, Ukrainians have the right for self-determination.
43:21like this was way before like anything, right? That's where this talk started.
43:28And then all of a sudden, like there was there there was propaganda against Georgians, too. Like, hey, you're you're this ancient country. Why are you okay with with Russians? Like being under Russians.
43:39You you should have the ambitions to get out, right? What does that mean? You're dismantling Russia from the inside, right? Stalin could see that. And he was like, "No, bro. this not going to work because that gonna result in me getting outed as well and all of this that I'm building here. So this is I think where the whole thing went down like when when the Linens and Stalin's like you know clash started and Stalin didn't want Lenin didn't want Stalin to take over he did it anyway and then what did he do Julian do you remember like there's a word in Georgian and Russian history we call it intelligencia he started killing
44:14who the elites >> why >> because he thought they were in on it >> thank you that was it so yeah the the entire like history is told in such like ugly way when there's like actually actual facts that you can you know look at and tell tell it in the right way.
44:33Now, next thing about Stalin is uh Stalin second hand was Barrier. That was actually Georgian too. That was Barrier gets Barry gets no limelight whatsoever even though he was the true psychopath of the regime. Okay. Barrier was a psychopath. Like he was I think Stalin's motivation was toxic patriotism. He was right in many many things that he did.
44:54He was wrong in many things. But Barrier was a complete psychopath. So, and again like you know take the war.
45:03So, World War II happens and that's another weird thing that that I could never understand.
45:10So, who really won that war? You are educated enough to know this. Like I can see in our conversation that you know the fact >> meaning who was most responsible for the war coming to an end.
45:23>> Russia. Russia threw the most bodies at it. There's no doubt about that. I think the way I've always looked at it is Russia through the bodies, through the military, Britain through the intelligence, and the United States through the push coming into it. I I I think I think there was >> Would it be fair would it be fair to say that the biggest uh sacrifice was made on the Russian part >> by mathematical numbers? For sure.
45:49>> Absolutely. But I mean again like that's everything like what Russia didn't throw the the intelligence part or like they just left out on that. No they >> No they did. I'm saying who had the most weight of like pulling off crazy [ __ ] for each of those. That's how I describe it. It doesn't mean all three didn't didn't play a role. The United States threw a lot of bodies at the problem too.
46:10>> Actually not comparable. Let me explain something to Russia. But they hold on hold on hold on hold on. Let's not do this.
46:17>> Okay. Russia lost way more people. They lost [ __ ] I don't even remember the number at Stalingrad alone. It was significant. I'll tell you what the numbers are. It was civilians. It was the whole bit.
46:28>> I'll tell you what the numbers are. Not to they say therefore the United States lost like a million people.
46:34>> No, not million. It's actually very very whatever whatever whatever it was. Let's pull it up. Let's how many >> 27 million I can tell you. 27 million on Russian part, 200,000 on the US part. I I can break this down for you. Were the what were the United States deaths in World War II?
46:51>> You might be right. I I just I But that's what I'm saying. When we start getting in the game of like discrediting all of it, 47,000, which I'll call that close enough, the same thing.
47:00>> So, exactly. 27 million. Right.
47:02>> But that's that's what I'm saying. Yes, Russia threw significantly more bodies at the problem, but yeah, like we still took losses, too. Just like I don't think I don't think it's acceptable to say like, "Oh, just 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust." Well, how about the 3 million polls? How about the [ __ ] million?
47:20>> Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That's how I look at it. Exactly. I also like Yeah. So, again, >> but we remember how we started this podcast. Compared to what? Right. So, would it be fair if we were in the same deal right now and let's say I got everything and you got only 10% and then like very simple thing. Let's say we invented something and I came up with 70% of it and you came up with the rest and you came out and said, "Well, I'm the winner." Like how you I'm the inventor. No, I'm the inventor. You're the helper. Right? So that that's how it is. Now you have to This is what like people don't understand. It does matter.
47:55It matters because when Russians woke up one day, there was no men walking in the street anymore. 27 million they've lost.
48:04And what's even worse is that when this war is going on, guess what the elites in the US are doing funding Hitler. Yes.
48:14And there's again this is a fact.
48:16>> When the war was going on, >> yes. When the war was going on, >> we know about before the war, but when the war was going on, >> even do you want even shocking thing?
48:25>> When the US got into war, they continued funding Hitler.
48:29>> How so?
48:30>> Union Bank. Uh if we had like your will be back in a minute.
48:34>> So Union Bank, look up Union Bank and uh Bush Prescott Bush, they continued funding Hitler and the FBI had to um actually the government issued uh seize the assets of the bank under enemy of the like Yeah. I know about that. Yeah.
48:51>> Yeah. So So now think about this for a second. So for the for the Russians at Soviet Union who gave up 27 million men and then there is this propaganda somehow equalizing the effort here whether it's Brits who by the way Churchill says let the let the it's his words let the um I can't quote exact quote but he said something like let the Russians do the the groundwork let let them do the war like okay so so we did do the war right like meaning Georgia, Russia and all these all these people my great-grandfather died in that war. So, like I said, it's not the same. I'm sorry, but it's not the same. If anyone
49:32really fought that war was Soviet Union and they lost everything for it.
49:36Everything for it. Yes, Britain helped.
49:39Yes, allied forces helped. US elites, not the US people, by the way. US people were the the most honorable in this war.
49:49Not the elites. elites funded Hitler up until the very end until the bank had to sorry the government had to seize their assets like what is that exactly what kind of you know what I mean >> real quick >> yes Prescott Bush was a scumbag and yes there are people like became a president >> yes somehow and somehow the grandson became the president >> yes Alan Dulles was a scumbag who spent the entire war in burn Switzerland very interesting address to to have during the war yes there are people like that that that were that case. But when we start saying and generalizing, it's the same sin as when people generalize all
50:27Russians or something, you know, and throw it in with >> Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me make this point.
50:33>> Okay.
50:33>> When you generalize that, right, >> and you there say you therefore say the entire United are insinuating. But hold on. When you say the elites, all of them, they were funding Hitler. They were funding Hitler the whole time.
50:4599.99% of them in the United States were not.
50:49Prescott Bush should have been put on trial for treason, right? Found guilty by a jury of his peers and executed. I don't even believe in the death penalty, but I'd make an exception right there.
50:58>> I agree.
50:59>> That is one guy. There were Hold on.
51:02There were a handful of other people.
51:04But to then make that insinuation that therefore the entire United States government- which is which is what that argument gets to. It's like a slippery slope. Therefore they all supported it.
51:17>> I know that's not what you said but you have to understand when you say the elites they you said something like the elites they were all funding Hitler.
51:23>> No >> that's not the case.
51:24>> Okay. So Davidson Bush and all these people are the same elites that drive the government and drove the government later. How do you think you ask the great great question like okay so his son and grandson became very how exactly if it's just one guy and all the other ones you're so innocent like they are stupid or something like how exactly did Bush do that explain to me who was Ache who was Alan Dallas who was Averil Harman who was a magnet by the way you know who else funded Hitler Harman because he was a partner with Bush so explain to me if he was just one guy how did he get away with not going to prison
52:03and getting executed. Because I'll tell you something right now. If I was that one guy and I secretly funded Hitler while my country, I I would like they would slip my throat. Like rest of them, why didn't they do that? How would >> a powerful guy in a powerful position?
52:17>> Just one guy is the powerful guy and the rest of them are not.
52:19>> No, no, no. There there is there is a handful of them that do that and then they find their way into powerful positions and they're scum. And then we have to argue how many then and you like you can't argue exactly what number there is Julian because you don't know and neither do I. But what I know is that an entity that gets away while my country in the is in the war, gets away with funding Hitler is a very damn powerful force and is protected by very very many people up on top because otherwise it cannot do what it does and get away and then have a descendant two of them as the president of the United
52:57States.
52:58>> The descendants is a major major issue and I completely agree with that. Yes, >> I think it's I think it is far more likely that when you have a victory like that with the Allied forces in this way and something like Hitler was stopped, Japan was stopped too, >> you just go through years and years of everyone losing a lot of people, this insane war, everyone's on edge around the world, and now it's over.
53:26>> Mhm.
53:27>> What you don't want, >> right, >> is nuance in any way.
53:31>> Exactly. You want to make sure that, and this is the point I'm really trying to make, you want to make sure that 100% of the narrative is on your side, which is exactly what I was saying 15 minutes ago, when you look at any war, there is always for the victors, if they were in the right overall, there is always that 10% where they did some bad [ __ ] >> When you win, that gets covered up. I am not saying that's right. By the way, I think it's completely wrong that Prescott Bush was allowed to continue being Prescott Bush. I think it's wrong that his [ __ ] sperm, >> but you just said the plot, right? So,
54:07how are you overthrowing the the head like the president of the United States without having a backup plan? So, it's not just one guy. You just mentioned the plot. And Miss Smidley Butler named ton of them and the names were like not released. Why? So who who made that decision? You're talking about banking industry. Who else made that decision?
54:30So no, I'm sorry. It was not just the one guy because one guy did not approach a freaking general to say why don't we overthrow Roseell tomorrow and make this a Nazi dictatorship. Okay, he's a mental case. He's going to end up in hospital.
54:43If that's one guy, he's not a one guy.
54:45And that's what thinking that way got us here. Now we are under these guys. you know this better than I do because you've been in the US. You grew up in the US, you know, way longer than I have. So now we are under this one guy.
55:01All all this like shadowy government and we can't do [ __ ] about it because the first time they did something like that, we said, "Oh, it's just a one guy. Don't pay attention to it." It was not a one guy. And that's my my big >> it is it is absolutely in the context of the situation a handful of people like I was saying. It's not just one guy. It's actually multiple.
55:21>> I'm I'm saying when you generalize it to be like therefore the entire government was supporting >> No, I said hold up.
55:27>> You said the elites. I'm sorry. When when you say the all the elites were supporting Hitler, they weren't. There were some that were.
55:34>> Yeah. I didn't say all the elites. We can go back, but I said I said the elites, which is true. Then the government, by the way, I never count government in the elites. So, let's make that distinction. Okay. So to me, government is absolutely completely different player here really. You would you would think that Donald Trump is part of the elites. I would argue he's not like who who's really like you can't count the government into the elites.
56:02Government is manipulated by the elites.
56:04We would agree on that. But would you would you say that Donald Trump is part of the elites? No. Right. That's why we voted for him. We got him in the office to clean the house and so that this would not happen. So let's make that differentiation. We can't just say elites. Okay, that's another thing that kills me. Elites, okay, who I can name my sources and I can tell you the investigations I've done. Davidson's, for example, that never get mentioned.
56:29True Davidson that literally single-handedly created um the the Navy reserve that America didn't have. What the heck was Trouy Davidson's job to do so? It was not. But he made his job because he needed a control over military. It's a whole rabbit hole that you know we can go down to but we can't just say much to your point just the elites. No, the government is a different entity. The bankers are different and they are by the way some of them are not even American. Okay, let's start from here. So when I say that the elite forces which is true multiple not just one funded Hitler again true they did. So then now put
57:09yourself for a second in Russian shoes for a second. You lost 27 million men against this mad man. And then you find out which they know by the way that the US elites which are bankers and the people who then drive the government and all this all this machine funded the the this madman that killed 27 million of your people. Like sit on that for a second. how that feels and then >> you'd be pissed.
57:40>> You would be pissed. I think I think that the same >> but but >> I Elizabeth I think the same things that have happened with propaganding with propagandizing us to believe 100% truth and stuff that is not >> right >> is now being thrown completely in the opposite direction >> carefully and deliberately to turn us in on ourselves to assume that every now I have a lot lot of problems with like the elite class obviously I try to look at things on a case-by case basis so when I hear generalizations on things that make huge claims that can whether or not it's your intention or not but that can be
58:27taken as like therefore like the elites just in general we're all supporting Hitler >> that you never said all we're supporting Hitler like we we talked about this I understand that but you said like the line was the elites the elites were supporting Hitler. Are we going to talk about that? Like that was the line. And I'm not I don't like being a literalist.
58:47I don't like picking apart words and whatever. But we're living in a world now where people are suddenly like saying things like you know what actually >> Hitler wasn't the bad guy in World War II. It was really Churchill. It's like >> it's like dude dude I'm not saying Winston Churchill was a perfect guy. Far from it. far. We could we we could certainly go down that but like we can't >> it it sometimes feels like we are in a vortex now postco to believe the o the polar opposite on everything and it really >> you said the polar opposite I I don't understand why so so one narrative is that >> Hitler was the worst thing ever he was
59:29the only worst thing ever right there everyone had to kill everything >> I don't know where you get this narrative that's not my narrative I'm saying the general public narrative right now. This is not your narrative.
59:38I'm saying this is what the narrative has been in public.
59:41>> The world had to had to stop him and all that. And anything that happened on the way there, >> right?
59:46>> Or once we had to get to that point or once we had to do it was absolutely fine, right?
59:51>> That was one narrative, >> right?
59:53>> That's not 100% right.
59:54>> I don't agree with that.
59:55>> Right. He was a very bad guy. That part's right. But like there were a lot of other things that went into it by the way, including I just want to lay out this so that we can people can understand where I'm coming from.
60:05The other narrative that's now forming is literally the opposite of that. And it's literally saying, you know, maybe he had a point.
60:11>> And it's like, dude, I don't know why we can't hold multiple thoughts at the same time. So, I get really I and and I'll admit it, and I'm sure people are going to let me know in the comments, and that's absolutely fine. That's why we do this show. We cover all perspectives here. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here.
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