0:04Okay, I wanted to do this. I I wanted to meet you. I heard about you from my friend Sean Ryan, wonderful man, um who was going on about you and the work that you're doing on the darkest things happening on the internet, which we'll talk about in a minute, but he said this is a guy who really understands how to use the internet open just open source um and also nonopen source since you're also an expert on hacking. But uh so let's just start there. What can you learn about someone you've never met on the internet? Open source.
0:34>> Basically everything. And uh and ba what I did with you? Uh because you know I was told in advance that you're not really a computer guy. You know >> I don't own a computer actually.
0:43>> You don't even own a computer.
0:44>> I do not own a computer. I have I have an iPhone which is I don't know how different that is from a computer. I I haven't owned a computer since 2011 because I just I just disapprove basically.
0:54>> Well hey to each [laughter] his own, right? But that is a computer that you have.
0:57>> Yeah. It is a You're totally right.
0:59>> It's a back when I even when I was a kid, that thing's like 10 times more power.
1:04>> You're totally right. And I always say I don't have a TV, but like I get X or whatever YouTube on my phone, so it's like a distinction without a difference.
1:11It's just it's a absurd pretense that I keep up.
1:13>> Hey, well, it's a you know, I when I was doing the research, I I confirmed that, you know, running your phone number, running your email, there's not many accounts connected to them. So, it's >> no accounts. Yeah. I don't have email uh that I use. I don't have email really and I've had the same phone number since 1995.
1:30>> Yeah, I I mean I found some old like uh and I'll show you in a second but the you know old you know news related emails there was one with S. Carlson at we know there's an I found all your old emails but it doesn't seem like anything is active. So for me the 20-minut challenge was you know I think you might you might be shall 20 minutes to find out what you can about somebody. That's all we we called it that in the office, you know, just to see what we could find on you. And uh and let me pull out my laptop and show you.
1:58>> So, you do own a computer is what you're saying.
2:00>> I own a lot of computers. [laughter] >> I am a nerd.
2:06>> Yeah. There's something about I I don't know. I just We're not in charge of the growth of technology and its increasing power over our lives. I'm certainly not in charge. And yes, I did put in Starlink in my hunting camp. Um, which is a huge mixed blessing. But I just I just want to say out loud that I disapprove >> disapprove of these.
2:29>> I do.
2:29>> I just do. No, I don't disapprove of computers. I >> We can smash this thing right here.
2:34>> No, I'm not that unreasonable. I just I don't I I feel like human autonomy and human consciousness like our ability to think for ourselves is is threatened by technology. And I'm upset by it. I agree with that. And this might make you even more angry. So, um, is this your social security number?
2:54>> Let me get my glasses.
2:59>> Yeah.
3:00>> Yeah, it certainly is. [laughter] Okay.
3:02>> How do you have my social security number?
3:04>> Well, so I have your social security number. Um, I have your full name.
3:07Obviously, I don't think that's a secret. I I see all your fishing licenses and and you know, hunting licenses from Alaska, Oregon, Virginia.
3:15I mean, I found all all the places that you do your thing.
3:18>> Alaska, Oregon, Virginia.
3:21>> Yep. I even have your driver's license number in Florida.
3:23>> Oh, that's >> Looks like you haven't changed your phone number in a long time.
3:26>> 1995.
3:27>> Okay. So, that >> every mental patient in America has my phone number. Everybody has. I'm not afraid of people. I'm never going to be afraid of people. So, >> one thing I want to tell you about how I have your social security number and why is kind of ridiculous to be honest with you. Have Have you heard of the National Public Data Breach?
3:43>> No.
3:44>> Okay. So, uh, >> can I just say that I keep my assets and gold coins buried in a place that, you know, only my children can identify. So, >> I'm totally safe. You can't drain my bank account.
3:53>> Well, let me show you something. You might not be able to train drain your bank account, but here is your signature from your warranty deed.
4:05So, having your >> How do you have that? That is my actual signature.
4:08>> Yeah. Yeah, I'm aware.
4:09>> Which is not my name. So, I don't know how you would have that. Oh, I pulled it from public record.
4:14>> That is crazy.
4:17>> Yep. So, if I use your social, I have your, you know, general location. I I know you use a PO box to buy, you know, buy everything. I found behind, you know, I found behind the PO box. Um, I saw your, your motorcycle transaction that you made. I have the old plate and the new plate with the Harley. Um, I [laughter] I found as much as I could in the 20.
4:37>> You found my Harley.
4:38>> Yeah. [laughter] So, >> that's something I talk about. That's so funny. Wow. Okay.
4:42>> But the my point here is that >> the new six speeds are amazing. Can I just say that? Motor had four speeds.
4:48>> I love motorcycles.
4:49>> I do too. Yeah, I secretly do. Very secretly.
4:52>> So, the National Public Data uh uh breach was ridiculous to be honest with you. Um it was 2.8 billion records about a year and a half ago roughly. And a Florida sheriff ran a data broker website which had uh you know just you could look up somebody's name similar to white pages. But for whatever reason, this Florida sheriff got access to all of this data and was using it to, you know, I'm I'm assuming sell data, make money on it. Well, he decided to reuse credentials for a demo project or old project on his main production system, which allowed 2.8 billion records to be exposed with, you know, we know there's
5:31about 300 million Americans. So, if there's 2.8 8 billion records in this database. Um there's a good chance that you're in it with your social security number and you're in there about I think 15 times if you look at that document and with everywhere you've ever lived.
5:44Um you know including anyone associated etc. Um so >> and this is all publicly available now.
5:51>> It's publicly available and and what we did was because since since like I said I could you know maybe you have all your assets in gold let's say like I have the ability to call your electric company and pretend that I'm you. and what do I not have about you that to confirm that I'm you? Um, you know, or if I want to open up a credit card or if I want to buy a Harley, you know, there's not much that's stopping me. Um, so our, you know, we decided, and I'll get into some of some of this in a little bit, but like, you know, we started a cyber security company using the methodologies that I use to locate these predators and
6:23traffickers. And instead of doing something like, you know, targeting bad people, you can you can sign up for it and protect your your digital uh footprint. So, um, we we were sitting in a hotel room. This data breach came out and we're like, we want people to know if they're in this like immediately because if your socials exposed, you should be freezing your credit like right now. And we noticed nobody else nobody else was allowing anyone to search for this. So, we threw it together as fast as we possibly could.
6:51And um, it was all over the place, Tucker. like we didn't realize that the news was going to pick up on it the way that it did. Um there were uh Congress people in in New York even showing how to demonstrating how to use our search on our website. Um I believe it was Richie Torres in New York. Um and there was a bunch of them. That's just the one that's coming to mind. And uh you know this is not me trying to advertise. It's just relevant to the story, but like people would go to NPD like National Public Data.pentester.com and uh and you can run your name. you'll see if you're in this breach. If you
7:24are, it doesn't cost you any money whatsoever to freeze your credit. And we we give you the instruction on how to go to TransUnion, Equifax, Experian, and um and freeze it. And people think, well, if I freeze my credit, it's going to affect my score or whatever. It doesn't hurt your score to freeze it. It just stops people from being able to run a soft or hard query against it. And um and when you're ready to go do something that requires your credit, you just click the unfreeze button, which takes 10 seconds, uh they run your credit, and then you freeze it again. And this will alleviate a ton a ton of issues. I mean,
7:58I don't know if your credit's frozen.
8:00I'm hoping by the time that this episode's out, it is because >> I don't have any credit. I don't take any loans.
8:05>> Okay. Well, if you're not worried, you're not worried. BUT [laughter] >> I DON'T WANT CREDIT. I DON'T LIKE money lending. Period.
8:10>> Understood. Understood. But most people would be worried. But there's a good chance there. like this is not me fear-mongering. Your their socials most likely in this database if you're if you're watching this episode, you know, so it's a the way that you didn't know about it, even though it was all over the news, a lot like almost everyone I meet face to face is not aware that they're in this data breach. And uh and we're we're doing a good job at exposing that it exists. Um I cannot take this data breach off of some hacker's computer in Russia like or you know, whoever downloaded it. I can you I don't
8:40know how familiar you are with how these data breaches work, but like I can't remove your data from a data breach.
8:46It's just a file that could share it amongst many people.
8:49>> It's out there. So your social is on as many people's computers as download that downloaded that data breach.
8:56>> So we're doing the same thing but showing you, you know, we're allowing you to search through that file. Um and then we give you the the options to to freeze your credit.
9:04>> We're going to need biometrics really soon. I mean, that's probably the point of this, right? to get us to biometrics cuz >> Yeah. Well, I mean, I just don't understand how the sheriff in the first place got got access to every single American's personal information, including their socials. Um, but from there, we thought, okay, how how can you clean up your digital footprint, which I'm going to show you something that I think I don't know what your thoughts on facial recognition are and all of that, but I want to show you some cool stuff that people are scared of, but they should also look at as, you know, you
9:33have a digital footprint even though you don't use a computer. Yeah, >> like people need to realize that they have to understand >> how long until people's porn records get leaked >> immediately. This is like I could show you an example of it right now. And um you know the way that the way that we built this platform was like I said to how we identified predators and traffickers, but now it's any consumer can sign up for it. Um see what's out there on them, see what accounts are connected to them, their kids, if their kids have some secret, you know, accounts or or anything like that. Um, and uh, let's say they were in a wedding
10:03photo four years ago and they were in the back corner and half their face is showing. That might be enough identifiable information toident identify that, you know, they are, you know, what their name is or who they are just by them walking down the street and being in a photo, which I'll demonstrate so it makes more sense. Um, you know, we could use somebody in here that doesn't have as much of a public image because you and I, we can take a picture and you're going to see a ton of results, but somebody if they're willing. If not, I'll show you my own face or yours or whatever you'd like. Um, we built that.
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10:39>> In Miami?
10:40>> No.
10:40>> Okay. So, it's an art district in Miami.
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12:57So, can you do that for anyone in the US?
13:00>> Yeah. Yeah. Anyone? Yeah. I mean, I Let me see if I You mind if I get up and show you?
13:04>> I hope you will.
13:05>> All right.
13:12>> Amazing. And then there's all of the addresses that came from the data breach.
13:17>> Hold on. Oh my gosh.
13:21>> Probably going back a long time.
13:23>> There's my childhood home.
13:27Yeah. I mean, these are places I haven't lived in 40 years.
13:30>> Wow.
13:32>> Wow. That is crazy.
13:35>> Okay.
13:37So, you've just taken a picture of my face and you're feeding my face into the database.
13:44>> Oh, I'm not going to feed it into the into the database. Like, this is not going to be stored or anything like that. We we're we're only doing it just to show an example of it's it's taking 120 measurements of your face. Uh so, like for example, let's say you're wearing uh makeup or something or you have purple hair. It doesn't make a difference because there's other measurements that will you like I said, there could be it could be half of your face or a quarter of your face. it's just going to try to use those measurements to identify you. Um, not the actual image itself. There's a difference between reverse image
14:14searching, like looking for an identical image and reverse facial recognition where it's trying to measure like this nostril is this many centimeters from the lower earlobe, you know, in a lot of different measurements.
14:27>> Let's just say you're not a criminal.
14:29You have no interest in breaking the law here in the United States, but you don't want to be identified on the basis of your face.
14:37Is there anything you can do to disguise your identity and foil facial recognition?
14:44>> Unfortunately, wearing a mask, I mean, you you could still be identified by the top half of your face. I mean, you could wear like a COVID mask or something if you're one of those guys. But, uh, you know, you could do that. You could you could wear I mean, it's it's it's extreme though, you know, like wearing wearing a full face mask to cover. It's put a hood up and walk past cameras with your head down. I mean, you can't really get around this technology.
15:09>> You can't. So, sunglasses don't do it.
15:12>> No, no, no. We could we could try to mess with you in any way. And I guarantee you I mean I Yeah. Here you are all over the place here.
15:22I'll speak loud, but you see these these URLs underneath of them.
15:27>> Yeah. So, in each one of these, and there's going to be, and there's an endless supply of photos of you on the internet, Tucker, so it'd be kind of pointless to go through these for you.
15:36Um, but let's say your average person, let's say you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s, and you don't know what's out there on yourself because it's not possible to search by your face unless you have a specialized tool to do it, right? Law enforcement usually has this, you know, ability, but consumers don't. And um what we did is uh we we allow you to search and we show you where that image is at. So then you can either reach out to to us or if you can take it upon yourself to contact that website whether it be let's say as I used a wedding wedding photographer reach out to that wedding photographer and say hey I would
16:09like my photo taken down off of your website or if it's you know maybe you're at a kid sports game and it's showing pictures of your children. Like you know you want to know that that stuff is out there because somebody else could be searching you. It's, you know, it's not about everybody's like, "It's not going to happen to me. It's not going to happen to me." But then sometimes it happens to you. And uh and that that's why we built what we built and we're trying to hit every angle. We're trying to hit your your, you know, your digital footprint as a whole. And then we're automating as many removals as possible
16:39uh for you. So you could just, you know, essentially put in your email, put in your name to pen tester, uh as much information as you're willing to give us. And then over time, it'll start to build out a profile on you the same way that that I did in that little challenge, but automatically. And then you'll start to see removals happening over time. And you'll see where it got removed from, where, you know, how many are pending, how many are left. It's it's a super cool, easy process. And um and I'm going to sound like a car salesman, but like it's less than 20 bucks. And I don't know why it's a I
17:10think everybody should should be doing it. Um there's just nobody out there doing this. And uh you get all of this for $20.
17:18>> It doesn't seem like there's any privacy possible in the United States.
17:22>> Absolutely not. No. And when it comes to technology, you are fully exposed. It's like you're naked, you know? I mean, I came in here, you know, we met one time before in person and and uh you know, it's not like I snuck your social out of your wallet that day. Like I I came in here saying, "Hey, Tucker, I have your social security number, your warranty deed, and your your signature. Um, yeah, maybe you don't have credit, but most people most people in the United States do and it's a big deal to them, you know. So, >> of course, and I didn't mean I I understand that and I the system is set up against people, which is my main
17:55problem with the system. You shouldn't have to be heavily in debt in order to live here.
17:59>> Agreed.
17:59>> If you've got a job and you're like a responsible person who works 8 hours a day, but you have to have debt.
18:06>> No, you shouldn't have to.
18:06>> Then the system is designed to enslave you, which ours is. So, I'm just opposed to it. So, but I didn't mean to be like, "Oh, I don't have any debt." No, I know I'm very privileged not to have debt.
18:17And by the way, it's the very first thing I did when I made some dough. I didn't buy anything. I paid off all my loans because >> I despise being indebted to anybody and I despise the people who put you in debt. I do. I mean it.
18:30>> Understood.
18:30>> From the bottom of my heart.
18:32>> Yeah. I >> is I would despise a slave master and they run around like, "Oh, we're making the American dream possible." No, you're you're stealing it actually from people.
18:40Um, and you should be ashamed.
18:42>> Totally agree with you there. And um, [laughter] sorry.
18:46>> No, you're good.
18:47>> You can see I'm filled with eccentric resentments, but >> and I think in a normal society, we would recognize that. And anyone who's lending money at like super high interest rates committing usery at that level should be prosecuted for it.
18:58>> 110% I agree with that. I mean, even those payday loans, for example, are horrible. The reverse mortgages are being marketed like crazy right now. I mean, there's a lot of dangerous >> loans >> immoral. And they're always running around calling everyone else immoral.
19:12Um, but that is immoral. And by the way, I gave a speech once to the payday loan lenders in the Bahamas back was 25 years ago before I really had any views on anything. And they were amusing, but man, that was the sleaziest group of people I've ever met in my life. I I have no doubt. I don't know how they sleep at night.
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20:38>> Yeah. So, >> so anyway, so but I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be like, I can't believe people have to have jobs and everyone is in debt. Everyone has to be, >> you know, I totally understand that. And uh and the way I look at it in my personal belief is, you know, there's good debt and bad debt because you can in my in my life, I own software companies and and I and real estate and and you know, taking an equity line out to buy another property, >> you're playing at a different level.
21:01I've never been in business. I'm just like some employee who talks for a living. So like I have a very simple financial picture of my life. Don't have that much money, but I don't have any debt.
21:10>> And I think in my business where you like make people mad, if you have debt, boy, they you know, >> they go after it. Yeah. judgements are are public as well. So you don't have any obviously, but it's uh usually that you know people could find them.
21:24>> Well, you wonder why these members of Congress and the hair hats on television are all saying exactly the same thing cuz they're exposed and everyone thinks it's exposed sexually and a huge number of them are creepy sexually. But it's not just that. It's the money. It's the debt is the leash that keeps them in line.
21:40>> That's wild, I think.
21:41>> Yeah. Yeah, you might be right. You might be right. It sounds like it. It's a I uh I've never had this conversation before. Yeah. I nor Normally it's you know for me it's like no you're fine.
21:52You're fine. It's a it's >> Well, if you're if you're if you know if you're in debt to anybody you're literally in debt to them. You owe them something you haven't yet paid.
22:02So that is um by definition uh their control over you, right?
22:09>> Yeah. They have control over you and they can take your assets if you don't pay them. So yeah. Yeah, they totally understand it. And um it's >> it's a risky it's a depending on the you know depending on the type of person.
22:20Some people are more risktaking when they don't have the funds. They you know I don't believe you should be taking out loans that you can't afford. Yeah.
22:28>> Um it's you know people saying don't spend money you don't have. It's it's something most people are aware of but some people don't practice that.
22:35>> Yeah. I I used to feel that way. Now I'm kind of like I don't know. I think people should stop paying their credit cards. cuz I know no one else agrees with me. And oh, you have a moral obligation. Really? Well, you have a moral obligation not to send credit card applications to kids in college. So, this goes both ways. It's like just blaming the drug addict and never mentioning the dealer. Someone's selling the fentanyl and that person is on the hook, too. So, that's how I feel. So, like, is it a sin to rip off your drug dealer? I guess it's not one I'm going to judge you for.
23:02>> Yeah, I think uh it's 100% agree with you there. Yeah, I can't [laughter] I can't argue that.
23:09>> Yeah. So, anyway, um Wow. Well, that's all very shocking. Let me ask you a super dumb question because that's the only kind I have, which is when someone has your social security number, like how threatening is that?
23:19>> So, when when someone has your social, it just gives them the ability to uh, you know, pretend to be you. So, whether it be, you know, we talked about loans and credit and all that stuff, it take that out of the picture. Imagine if uh, you know, I think you've experienced just based on just a rumor, you've been SIM swapped before, like somebody's stolen your phone number and tried to >> Oh, yeah. Multiple times. So, you know, I'm assuming your your carrier now is a lot more uh strict with your phone number.
23:46>> You've locked it down. Yeah.
23:47>> Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. But two, I for for your average person, if I call in and I say, "Hey, I'm Jane Doe. I have your social, you know, I have her social security number. I can sound like a man, they can't judge me in 2026. So, I'm Jane Doe with a with a man's voice with a social. They're going to let me do practically anything I want to the account. That doesn't mean essentially every time is going to be a SIM swap, but I can authenticate to pretty much anything as you you're electric in your house. Let's say uh you know I I report a problem with the electric and they they turn the power off and on a you
24:18know Friday night and you don't get your power back till Monday. That could be a problem in some cold areas or some hot areas for sure. Sure. I mean, there there's real life consequences to a social security number, which is such a ridiculous way to identify somebody because they they're incremental. And I think it was 2011 is when the prefix of them like the first three digits started becoming randomized like the first I think it was the three digits meant like the hospital and the next two was the time frame something like that. After 2011, it was changed to completely random. But, you know, social security
24:49numbers are are not in my opinion a good way to keep yourself private.
24:54>> Well, because they are not. And this is what I sort of half asked you a minute ago. Because the system is so obviously flawed and the internet itself is not secure because it was designed to be open. It'll never be secure. There will always be data breaches. Always.
25:09And because everything takes place on the internet, specifically financial transactions, don't we have to go to biometrics? I think we need to. Yeah. And it's a it's it is absolutely a possibility now with you know fingerprints have been around for a long time for fingerprint locks and now the consumer you can go to Home Depot and buy a fingerprint lock for your for your home. Um but you know we have biometrics for for retina scanning that are that at one I've seen it at the airport before with clear. I think clear might have changed from retina scanning to just facial recognition but we have the ability to do all of these different
25:40biometrics that are are pretty you know pretty solid ways to authenticate yourself. Um the the issue, which we could get more into this later, but there there's platforms out there that are trying to use biometrics like facial scanning to determine age to allow someone on a platform. Um it's failing miserably. Uh and that because it's just the technology is doing a bad job at identifying the person's age. Uh like like for example, if I scanned my face, it might say, you know, I'm I'm 32 years old, but it could tell me that I'm 50.
26:13It could tell me that I'm 18. It could tell me that I'm 16. It just depends on whatever that platform decides.
26:18>> Yeah.
26:18>> And in my experience, >> depends on the kind of life you've lived, honestly.
26:22>> That's exactly >> honestly, Ryan. [laughter] >> Yeah. And and I have lived a crazy life.
26:26So, who knows what that I don't know.
26:28This is in in particular with with the last couple weeks with Roblox. Um, so Roblox implemented this as a safety measure after a guy named Schlepp, his name he goes by uh and and myself went on some podcasts, talked about the dangers of that platform and and showed some real examples which, you know, I'll show you some stuff in a little bit, but um their way to combat this issue was, you know, at least what it seems, um, is using PE kids. if they have to scan their face and then they get grouped into, you know, other grouped into lobbies with other kids their age that they determine from a third party
27:03company that we don't know what they're doing with the biometric data of the children's faces. Um, and uh and a lot of the time they're getting it wrong.
27:11And to make matters worse, you can go on eBay and buy accounts for certain age ranges. So, what do you think a predator is going to do with, let's say you get a 13-year-old account, 13-year-old account already verified, Roblox for, you know, $15 on eBay. Now, the guy can go target 13-year-olds because he just spent 15 bucks. It's uh it you can, you know, but the but the moral of that is, you know, Roblox has a huge responsibility.
27:37They're a big platform. They're the largest platform for children in the world. uh they're, you know, they they're multi-billion dollar corporation and uh but you know, I can't fully blame them. I don't think they've made good decisions. I don't know if you know that they've banned vigilantes from their platform. They don't let law enforcement on there.
27:55>> Okay. So, can you describe for people who don't have kids at home what what Roblox is?
28:00>> Okay. So, Roblox is imagine Legos. Like, you know, I'm sure most people know what Legos are. the digital Legos where they're walking around the screen, they're chatting with each other and they're playing games with each other like uh like just to keep things simple uh tic-tac-toe virtually and they look like little Lego characters and there the children are able to type to each other and talk inside of these Roblox games and there's, you know, four, five, six, seven, eighty old children playing this game. is very very popular amongst them and um you know with this you know with this age verification situation
28:34that they just added um it [clears throat] it makes it more dangerous in my opinion and I have solutions on what they could do. I have a friend that I can't name but they're federal law enforcement. They uh you know have been in child crimes for longer than I've been alive and they didn't even get them to the second interview stage. I found out that they don't have anyone. This could this this is just me being told something, but I found out they had um no one that's ever worked child crimes uh for for our government or legal state working on their team to to help with these issues.
29:08And as the largest game in the world for children, you would think that they would do everything in their power to keep predators off of that platform. And oh, and the point that I was trying to get at was that if you have a platform that's full of kids, it's gonna it's going to attract a child. I'm I'm sorry.
29:23If you have a platform that's that is full of children, it's going to attract a predator because that's what predators do. They they put themselves in positions like becoming teachers or becoming, you know, police officers or camp counselors or, you know, whatever whatever gives them access to children.
29:38So, yes, Roblox is for me to say, is Roblox intentionally trying to make a platform for predators to groom children? I don't think that's their goal, but I think they're doing a horrible job at trying to combat it. And uh and there's easy ways for them to make this problem a lot better. Um, and what I want to do as an individual is uh is educate as many parents out there that you know that because a lot of them their kids are playing this game. You know, 150 million daily active users or or something something like that. Some crazy high number of kids around the world are playing this game. And uh you
30:13know, it's uh it's it saddens me that parents have no idea. They just hand them an iPad. to hand them a computer and they just they sit in a corner and play this game where strangers are getting access to them and asking them for some of the most horrific things that I've ever seen in almost 8 years of child crimes and trafficking which you know I I uh there there's a lot I it's it's a lot easier to show you what I mean by that than tell you that cuz it's you know parents parents you know can hear uh internet has predators the park there might be a sex offender at the park that's that's staring at a kid but
30:46until they see it or or it's happened to them, it's usually not real. Um, and of course, it's easy to say somebody like myself who works in this space is going to be an extremist or somebody that's that's going to immediately assume everybody is bad because I deal with this every day. I have no evidence to believe that that it isn't a significant problem because I can't I'm finding in my in almost eight years that there's more people that are willing to meet or talk with a child inappropriately than not on not just Roblox but any social media platform chat app and I' and I've demonstrated this live on on many
31:21podcasts and it's never failed unfortunately. I wish that I could fail.
31:24I wish I could pull my laptop out, go to a chat site, pretend to be a child, and not have a grown man asking me to do something inappropriate. But I have never failed, unfortunately. It's a pretty overwhelming time in history, certainly in this country. And that's why prayer is more important than ever.
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32:38It is absolutely the best. Part of the problem is it's too upsetting. And I think we were talking about this off camera. I think it's, you know, there the most upsetting things and children being hurt, being at the very top of it are people can't even face it. They don't want to think about it. They just compartmentalize it and move on cuz not because they support it, but precisely because of how violently they are opposed to it. But it's just really upsetting.
33:04>> I understand that. to give you just a counter to that. I mean, right after my interview with Shawn Ryan, um a 13-year-old girl from the same exact group I was just talking about was hanging by an extension cord in a parking lot. Um and in the chat room while she did this live were saying that they would, you know, she took her clothes off, it'd be hot or she died, you know, in the parking lot. This happened right?
33:25>> Yeah. Yeah. There's there's there's been a ton of suicides. This is this is a significant issue and that's why I wanted to talk about it and and Sean brought it up.
33:32>> What platform was this? Uh that was they they they're luring through mental health support groups. They're looking for vulnerable kids. Um and then they befriend them and then after they befriend them and they uh you know pretend they're their boyfriend or girlfriend, they exchange nude photos and then after the nude photos are exchanged instead of uh sex thorting them like a Nigerian scammer might for money. They try to get them to harm themselves in exchange for not having their photos exposed to, you know, their friends, family, school.
34:03The they're sextoring them, but they're they're using uh instead of money, they want them to carve group names and usernames into their chests, into their wrists, into their bodies. And then uh you know, sometimes it escalates to harming animals uh like their pets in their houses or hurting strangers.
34:19Literally, there's been murders of strangers, lighting homeless people on fire. a guy torched himself in a hotel room just to prove that he was worthy of being part of one of these groups. I mean, this is this is not just happening in like a little part of the country somewhere, you know, randomly. This is on a mass scale. And um you know, the there there's some people that are saying that it's that one of the biggest dangers for children at the moment is is these groups, which I I know it's sad. I know people don't want to hear this stuff.
34:48>> Well, it's overwhelming because there's no motive. They don't have a motive.
34:53They're a nihilist extreme extremist group.
34:55>> So that I mean I think is the definition of evil. The whole point of it is the suffering. There's no It's not like you, you know, robbed a liquor screwer and shot the clerk in order to get his money, which is obviously evil. But at least it's explicable in human terms.
35:09This is just spiritual evil.
35:11>> It's spiritually evil. And and there they logo is is a pentagram. They they identify as a satanic cult. Um and uh and the the the original group was called 764 group. That was it was the original the first one that ever came out that had this uh ideology or methodology that they use and they they have like guides, literal guides that teach you how to groom and extort these children and they they spread them amongst each other. Well, now there's hundreds if not thousands of these offshoots that do exactly the same thing using different names. And um you know, >> has there been any effort to arrest
35:46these groups?
35:47>> Yeah. Yeah. So, this is what makes it a little bit difficult. So, there's 450 active investigations right now with the FBI. Not nearly enough. Uh I mean, I'm I could show you one group that Sentinel Found Sentinel Foundation and I which I'll explain how I even got involved in Sentinel Foundation in a minute. Uh I can go in one of those groups and there's more than 450 targets in that group alone. I mean the it's and more needs to be done from law enforcement, but I understand that there's difficulty because it's not like we're going after the cartel where there's a ring leader and then you can arrest all the guys
36:19underneath of them. They're all in the same town or they might get caught together. These guys are from all over the country, some of them international.
36:26And it's going to be one at a time, you know, and and they don't use their real names. They don't use real photos of themselves. They go by aliases. And um and you know it's it's really uh it's very sad and uh but the way to tackle this issue is not by arresting one guy at a time because these groups these groups are just massively getting larger and larger and larger and a new offshoot comes out the second one disappears.
36:51What what happens is uh you know in my experience parents uh being aware of the issue, knowing what it is, knowing what to look for on their children's devices, um that's going to cause a lot more impact and and fix this problem or at least make a huge dent in this problem rather than making the total of 30 arrests that have happened and the five unnamed maybe it's at the total of 35 arrests since the inception a couple years ago. Um, you know, I think alerting parents is going to do a a way bigger >> 35 people total have been arrested in five years.
37:23>> Yeah. Well, I think it's like three or four years. I I don't quote me on that, but it's not a lot. Not sign. Yeah. It should be way more than that. Should be way more than that, but it's not. And uh and these guys aren't some like crazy hackers. They're connected to hacking groups called the comm. It's a it's very deep. It's a long story, but um they're not like these elite hackers that are impossible to find. a lot of them are 16 20somes uh that you know they're they'll feel comfortable with somebody pretend I'm sorry they'll feel like they're actually their friend and disclose their real name or phone number or general
37:56idea where they live and um if that person gets arrested you know they're snitching you know they they're looking at 30 years to life or something they're telling on everyone they can so but it's not as I as I said like yeah we can make as many arrests as possible and I'm all for it but um when it comes down to you know the the the scale of this issue one 30 35 arrests let's just say it is is not nearly enough. So I think educating parents is going to do a lot more and that's why I'm doing these podcasts. I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing this for for parents >> children of course.
38:30>> Where's the forum? You said there are these chat groups where this begins.
38:36Where are those?
38:37>> So I have some screenshots of uh of these mental health support groups.
38:41Sometimes they're official like actual mental health support groups where a child may be having suicidal ideiations or an eating disorder or whatever it may be and uh and these guys will join there looking for the child that's uh you know that's suffering and then they they reach out to them and pull them out of that site. So there's there's the official real sites that that really will help you for your mental health. Um and they're they're luring from there and then they create their own fake ones where they'll post on Twitter that'll say, you know, are you struggling with XYZ? Join this group. They join the
39:13group, everybody's all nice to you and friendly and bubbly. And then the second that you send that nude photo and and I'm sure you know if you if if like for me when I was a kid getting bullied in school for example just it's something that at the time I thought it would never go away. I thought that my life was over. I thought that no matter you know no matter what I did like nobody was ever going to like me, you know, and and I relate with these these kids that when they send these nude photos they think my life's ruined, you know. if this if this gets out to my school or to my family or to my, you know, boss or
39:49whatever it may be, um that they're never going to come back from it. Like, yeah, they made a mistake. They shouldn't have been sending a naked photo of themselves on the internet. I I get that. But, um their life will be okay. It does it doesn't mean you have to end your life over it. And and that's what these these guys want you to do.
40:04They want you to hurt yourself to the point where they they're recording it.
40:08they they create, you know, content from it and send it to other groups and brag about what they're doing and um you know, and the end result is is them trying to get you to end your life and cause as much violence and extreme extremism as possible. And and like like I said, I have video after video of these people live on camera talking to these group members stabbing strangers, lighting people on fire, kicking old women down the steps. I could go on and on and on. I mean, it's very disturbing stuff, but it's it's happening and kids are are susceptible to this and they're see like they're at risk. I mean, they
40:45genuinely are at risk. This is not me.
40:47I'm not like uh putting a tin foil hat on right now and saying like this is a problem. This is a problem. Like a significant one.
40:55So, I would like to show you that. I know you're uncomfortable with it. I just want you to see.
40:59>> Please do.
41:00>> Okay. I'm just as you're talking I'm thinking like how did we get to a place like this >> evil? I think that you know we could get on a deep conversation about this but I and people might say I'm I'm nuts but I I believe that we're we could be in the end times like it it's the world's pretty messed up right now. So >> yeah, the love between people will grow cold. That is predicted.
41:24>> It is >> and it clearly has. And to hurt people for the for the pure joy of hurting them, >> that's it. There is no other benefit.
41:31>> Yeah.
41:32>> And I've never seen anything like that in my life. You know, I especially coordinated and and connected with real Satanist groups like Order of Nine Angles, like a real Satanist group off of the internet. They have a direct connection with them as well. So, they identify as Satan.
41:46>> I will say Russia banned Satanism. Putin bans Satanism. It's one of the reasons they hate Putin. Um, and if you look at who hates Putin the most, it's not the anti-Satanists. Um, oh, you can say whatever you want, but a normal country would just ban this. Sorry, you can't you can't try to evoke spiritual evil in my country because you'll destroy it.
42:05And they have.
42:06>> Yeah. Well, I mean, it's definitely illegal what they're doing. There's some weird law with, you know, child sexual abuse material, CSAM, is obviously a child that's naked, but when a a child cuts their wrist or they they do something like that, unless it is sexualized, it's not considered uh CESAM. So I believe that the same way that we made an exception in the United States with AI generated uh child pornography or dees uh we made an exception that we we treat that as the real thing cuz people post pictures of their kids all the time on social media and I have these groups I have screenshots of these groups with 30
42:4040,000 users in them that are using other people's children with AI and and putting them in vulnerable horrible positions and it's like it's I don't want to be the guy going on social media saying hey don't post your child that you're so proud of. Um because these guys are weirdos, but like this the size of these groups. They have a pretty good reason to say it, you know, and and I can prove it. It's not me just saying it. Let me show you uh this group in particular. Uh like cuz I I made I put it in folders. Um and there's going to trigger warning here. Uh we don't you know it's it's a lot tucker. So
43:13>> here speaking speaking to the mic here.
43:15>> There's a lot here. And and it starts with luring which this is a you know this is some mental health stuff.
43:22Um, join cool friendly server to help you go through your hard times. And you can see harm nation here. That's one of the things that they use.
43:30>> Harm Nation.
43:31>> Yep. And you see that it says comm. So comm is connected to 764. So this this looks like okay that looks like a younger girl join this friendly server for, you know, to help you through your depression. Another one, outpatient wellness center. Um, and then the description kind of gives away what it is. no child porn, no gore, leaking, no drugs, guns, or nudity. I mean, you shouldn't have to be specifying that in a outpatient wellness group. Um, and this is uh there was a a girl who um did something horrible to herself as well who was interested in gore sites and she was a you know, she you know, she wasn't look she wasn't
44:10supposed to be looking at this type of stuff online, but she was interested in the edgy stuff. That makes sense. And uh and that's what this is here. So, it says, "Join if you are any of the following: mentally ill, fatherless, daddy issues, schizo, borderline personality disorder, or female, which means you act a little feminine as a guy." Um, and then this is a direct invitation to, you know, just these groups where you're going to be lured and uh and then eventually extorted.
44:35Um, and then here turns into the grooming stage, which you know, there's an entire checklist here. They there's so many of these like 220 page documents on how like and I'll skip through this but it's saying you know that uh that you can find victims on games like Roblox or on social media platforms like X formerly known as Twitter, Reddit, and Instagram. Once you found your victim, you have to spend a lot of time on her.
45:03Make her think you can relate to a lot of stuff and play games with her. call her cute nicknames when uh when you have talked for a little while like princess, darling, honey, etc. This will make her more attached to you because females love being called nicknames. Once you've talked for a while, you're going to ask her to be your girlfriend, which she most likely is going to say yes to. Now that she's under your control, you may start asking her for stuff like nudes, personal information. Um, she doesn't do self harm. If she doesn't do self harm already, then you must extort your victim. But if she does, she will almost
45:34guaranteed cut for your dirty needs when you've done all of this. So, there's like, you know, guide after guide after guide. Uh, and then them literally grooming children in these chat logs here, which I'll skip over because there's just so much to read. Um, you know, pretending to be nice and how much they love them. Please call me back. I love you. I'll do anything. Um, and this is where things get a little more graphic.
46:00Uh so the extortion steps uh are I'll skip through this as well. Um to to start off for you to be able to extort you must also have the ability to groom.
46:11Without grooming you won't get any information or any nudes. And if you groomed your victim you pretty much have control of her. To extort a female properly you must have the following: personal information, addresses, name, phone numbers, and nudes. And once you have this stuff, you may start threatening your victim with, for example, sending her nudes to her parents, swatting, which I'm sure you're familiar with swatting, and leaking personal information, etc. She doesn't do as you say. If she doesn't do as you say, examples, make a blood sign, which means like cut yourself and write on the walls, which I'll show you in a second
46:42here. Uh, make a cut sign, which is cutting usernames into their body. Um, kill your cat, kill yourself. At the end, if you've done everything correctly, you should have gotten exactly what you want to. Remember, never say content is content because no one wants to see some sword cat scratches, which means like not cutting yourself deep enough. To be honest with you, that is nothing. That is that is not even 10% of how bad this gets. And uh, you know, I just I know that people that are watching this are not going to see these videos and pictures. I hope not because that's so upsetting that and >> this whole conversation came about
47:23because I was down uh at Sean Ryan's place in Tennessee and he was overwhelmed and really wounded for real man. It was a Navy Seal seen a lot and this just undid him for a time and I can see why. Um, I just feel like the only way that that's ever going to get fixed is not through law enforcement, uh, federal law enforcement.
47:47Um, but through like Christian religious revival. I mean, only only an atheist country could have stuff like that.
47:56>> It's unbelievable. It's sad. And I agree with you. And uh, and I I believe in God. I I I think that, you know, that the these people are the definition of evil. I can't find any other any other justification of why this stuff even happens outside of evil.
48:13>> It does make you reassess the satanic uh sacrifice panic of the 1980s. We were told Dorothy Rubenz of the of the Wall Street Journal told us it was a panic and I believed her. There were a bunch of arrests in the 80s of these satanic cult rings that were abusing children and there was a lot of evidence it was real. But then there was some evidence that it wasn't real and like I didn't know what to think. And then I remember thinking at the time, this is in the early 90s, like there's no way that could actually happen. They're not organized satanic groups sacrificing animals, harming children, killing
48:49children, holding black masses. Like this is America, man.
48:53>> It's weird. It's very clear.
48:56>> It's clearly true. And and I and Tucker I haven't like you don't want to see it but you know I can show you these people in the masses masses these groups are not like by people in them. There's mass quantities of people in these groups that are doing this this you know that are participating in this behavior uh as well as uh as well as trying to join these groups. They require proof of crime is what they call. So, like if you want to be a part of a specific group, you have to prove that you have victims.
49:25Whether that be digital victims that were sexed or maybe you went out and and murdered a homeless person, which is I have a couple videos of homeless people being murdered. Um, and uh, you know, one that that will never leave my brain is isn't like I just brought up the old woman. Um, he's on a call with with somebody from the group. He uh he he kicks her down the steps and you know and he starts just beating on her and then he he slits her throat, you know, and and you you watch this and he's doing this live with somebody on a phone call laughing and um and then you see him running through a field with a knife
49:59that has blood all over it and and it was just a senseless act of violence for for evil. I mean, it's just evil and it infuriates me so much to the point and upsets me of course and that's why I talked about in the beginning the compartmentalization. if I wasn't able to turn this off, I won't be able to function. I I I can't, you know, I I'm I'm not heartless. I don't I do have a soul and and I go to church twice a week and and you know, I pray to God that this stuff go, you know, not just this, but any type of child crime um just disappears. I know it's not realistic. I know that evil powers this country and I
50:31I know that that Satan know is a prince of the air is what it says in the Bible.
50:35I know these things, but uh but you know, I I have to understand that my spot is to use my voice, use my experience, use my time to educate as many people as I possibly can about these problems because unfortunately, you know, one in four girls are are hurt, you know, sexually as children. Uh one in 20 boys are and that number, what does that number end up being in the future? Especially if these victims, you know, not not all of them, but a large number of them reaffend in their lifetime. what what happens in the next generation? Is it going to be one and two girls and one in 10 boys? And where
51:09does this end? So So I pray that that this that this ends and uh and that parents actually open up and they realize that these devices like you hand your kid a phone, an iPad, a computer, a gaming console because, you know, it's it's almost like a babysitter to them.
51:25Um, when I was a child, which was only, you know, 20 something years ago, my mom gave me a prepaid phone that I had to top up with minutes, you know, and I'm sure people can relate to that. If she said, "Give me that phone," I wouldn't have cared. But these kids, that's their connection to the world. That's like trying to that's like cutting off one of their hands, you know, that these phones are their connection to people. And if they're scared to come to you about something like what I just showed you or somebody that's extorting them or grooming them or they don't know what grooming is and they can't they can't
51:54determine that they're being groomed. Um having these conversations with your kids and knowing that they're they're going to come to you if something like this happens even if it is embarrassing to them um could potentially save their life, you know. And uh and that that's why I'm doing what I'm doing. I'm not doing it cuz I enjoy looking at children cutting their >> so it's so bad. It's so bad for anyone to see those images. And I feel sorry for you and I know, you know, a lot of people I've seen some ugly things. Not that, you know, nothing by comparison to an afternoon on the internet though.
52:26>> Yeah. Yeah. The internet's wild and and what the reason why >> is there any effort at all to there's a lot of effort to police my political speech any criticism of Benjamin Netanyahu is instantly policed. But is there any real effort to police this?
52:40Like, >> so one thing going back to Roblox is they they banned vigilantes on their platform. Schle being one of them. They put >> So explain what that means.
52:48>> So, so a vigilante is somebody that's taking the law into their own hands and schle he got I think it was six of them arrested with mug shots from the Roblox platform. So he pretended to be a child on the platform, waited for people to message him. Um, you know, but even as a civilian, entrapment doesn't exist. You have to be law enforcement for it to be entrapment. But let let he pretended to be, you know, just a like a law enforcement officer. Grown adults messaged him. He he got six arrests in a short period of time and then Roblox banned him from the platform and send him a cease and desist in the mail. Why?
53:22>> Because he's a vigilante on the platform and they believe that that causes more danger. And they put this ridiculous press release out that, you know, people can look into. Um, from there, Slept started to go public. He got an attorney Roblox.
53:34>> Um, this guy I I forget the guy's name.
53:36I can bring it up if you want. Um, it's a it's it's a publicly traded company.
53:41Um, but the CEO's name is escaping me at the moment. Um, I I think it's whatever.
53:46Um, Schlepp though is a younger kid and he's been working with Chris Hansen on, you know, doing some awesome stuff and he documentary and unfortunately he was groomed on the platform as a child which is what motivated him to be a vigilante on the platform and um, you know, I uh, I think that, you know, I I I just can't comprehend why a platform would uh, you know, why why a platform would ban the people that are helping make it cleaner. you know, even if it isn't a >> Why do you think? What's the motivation there?
54:19>> I have no idea.
54:20>> Did they reach out to him and say, "Thank you for what you've done."
54:23>> No, they did the opposite. They sent a cease and desist in the mail to his house, which is, you know, he posted it on Twitter. And >> did he They allege he did something wrong.
54:32>> They I I don't believe that. I think they just were saying that it was a it was dangerous or I'd have to look at the press release for the exact words. I don't want to get sued by Roblox, so I'm trying to be careful with what I say here. Um but uh but you know this is all factual. I mean he was they put out a a press release that said it and he did get a cease and desist and there all of that stuff happened. Um and from what I was told they don't allow law enforcement to conduct investigations on their platform either. That doesn't mean the law enforcement doesn't but they don't they don't allow for it
55:02supposedly. So I don't understand what they're they're uh what they're angling or what they're trying to do uh posturing to do for other words but uh it's weird. It's just a strange thing.
55:13>> Well, if they're punishing the guy who is trying to punish the criminals, it's kind of like the defund the police like, "Okay, then whose side are you on?"
55:23>> Yeah. Well, let me show you what their stock looks like now after just, you know, talking about that exact thing. Uh I think that a lot of people are in agree agreement with us like why would you why would you do that? I mean, here's the six months. You can you can look at this over, you know, it's it split in half. So, I know that I mean what is the top article here? Uh, understand understanding Roblox grooming problem, you know. So, for being the largest children's game, if the headline article is their grooming problem, then maybe you should do something about it or or take bigger actions other than
55:57>> you don't want to go to hell for eternity. So, that's also a good motivator. I think >> I don't think many people in Silicon Valley are worried about hell and they should be.
56:04>> I agree with that. So, it's uh it's it is what it is and it's very sad for me and uh and I don't want people to be, you know, the people that don't know me at all and they're watching me for the first time to think that I'm just consuming myself with evil for fun that I I do this and and I and these are active investigations as well. I'm showing you the stuff that's publicly out there, but like I'm, you know, I'm still trying to get them arrested. I'm still actively assisting in the arrests of these individuals and more. um can't talk about those cases, of course, but the uh but this public stuff, it's it's
56:38not fun for me. I I feel like this is a purpose that was given to me by God. And um I I don't know how much you know about my story if you if Sean told you or I told you. Tell me. So, I get a text message from my friend's wife and um it had three screenshots in it. And at this time, I had no idea about obviously knew predators and pets.
56:58>> What were you doing for a living then?
56:59>> At that time, I owned a medical uh facility. So, uh, for substance use and, uh, and and mental health, they change it from abuse to use. So, it's a weird thing.
57:08>> Um, I get a text message from my friend's wife and, um, it was three different screenshots of this horrible website that was on the clear web that anyone could visit. This like not the quote unquote dark web that people talk about, um, that is really just the it's called tour, the onion router. Um, on the clear web, anyone could see this website. And one of these three photos was a picture of a child that was sitting in a bathtub. you could see their back, like you could tell that they were nude, but you could just see their back. And the title of the forum post said, um, they have no idea what's
57:38going to happen to them tonight. And underneath of it, all of these people were talk were talking about what they were going to do to this person's child.
57:45So, this is my first time ever seeing anything like this. And I I'm, you know, I'm like disgusted to on a level that I've never felt before. So, I leave where I'm at. I physically left the location of where I was at because, you know, I I I just had this switch flip in my brain that I didn't know I had. I don't have children. I wasn't abused as a child. Like, you know, like like I I this had to have been a God thing for me. So, I go home with the intention on of of trying to probe around this website and and take it down, which without all the technical details for the nerds that are listening, um like I
58:18was going to do a distributed denial service attack, just keep the site shut down. like it would have been impossible to load the site which is a very simple easy attack to do. It sounds crazy but it's a very easy one but I got lucky uh if you want to say lucky I got lucky that they used a forum called Zen4ro and they used a they used a theme that happened to be nulled meaning they didn't pay for access to use this theme and that theme gave me access to their their entire server which included their entire database. So now this website that is absolutely terrible that's that children are on selling themselves that
58:54people are on looking for that type of material and chatting about it in on an open forum that anyone can read. Um I now have full access to their entire site to to download anything I want and to try to uncover who who's running it.
59:07So, I uh I I started to have a little bit of common sense that cuz I got an adrenaline rush at this point when I realized I have access to this. Um common sense started to kick in. If you download all of this data, you're going to be in possession of CESAM. And uh and I didn't know the term CESAM back then.
59:24I just used the term child porn. And um you know, I don't like the word child porn person. I feel like it implies consent. But the the I knew that if I downloaded this database, I cannot include images, uh, videos, any attachments because when I go to deliver this to law enforcement, I don't want to get wrapped up in anything like that.
59:45The last thing I need is somebody Google searching Ryan Montgomery and then something like that horrible comes up, you know. So I thought about that even back then and um I I wrote a script to extract the database and the first user that was and and exclude all that stuff.
60:00The first user in that database was a politician in Virginia named Nathan Larson and uh and he's a little bit of a whack job politician but he was you know running for Congress. Uh the guy >> as a libertarian >> I believe so. I believe so. Um he uh yeah so so Nathan Larson was running this website. Never heard of him before at that time and uh I start to you know export the database. There's 7,000 total people in this database across four different backups that were on the server. It was just a combination of a ton of users. So this is my this is my beginning. I I go from not knowing anything about this at all to now I got
60:39a database of 7,000 pedophiles and I want to do something with it. So, I reached out to um the my attorney first actually, I believe it was, but I reached out to him who who reached out to the the task force in the local like the Palm Beach County Task Force, I think it was, or Broward, one or the other. Um, and then ic3.gov, uh, National Center for Missing, uh, Nickmick National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Um, and then 11 different media stations because there was a 6-month gap in between law enforcement not ever showing up at my door like I thought they were going to.
61:13And then I was like, "Okay, well then I'm just bringing this to the media because I feel like they may take action if I uh, you know, go to the media." So I um I re I spoke to to both all sides, left, right, middle, you know, whatever.
61:27And politics really isn't my thing. So I spoke to all and any reporter that would take the time to talk to me. every single one of them was interested in running the story. They not one of them was saying like, you know, we're we don't want to take this story. Um they all came back with almost an identical answer that their legal team was not willing to run it for liability reasons, for legal reasons or how the data was obtained. So my rebuttal to that was um you know, just run it without my name.
61:52Run it without any of the legally quote unquote obtained material. Just let people know that this website exists, that there's children on here that are selling their body, all you know, let them let parents know that this is happening. Not one of them run the story. So, I'm very aggravated at this point that nobody wants to run anything.
62:106 months goes by, Nathan Larson's in my Google alerts, I get a notification, Nathan Larson's arrested with a 13-year-old girl in Denver, Colorado that he kidnapped and raped. And um I was so aggravated because every one of those articles, I know that could have been prevented if they listened to me in the first place. There's 7,000 other people in this database that have nothing has happened to at this point.
62:33Um, and I didn't want to just leak it to the internet because if I leaked it to the internet and there were parent concerned parents on there, which it would have been hard for that to happen cuz the application process to become a user, you have to answer some wild questions. But even undercovers, like I didn't want to leak the database and and potentially do what like Ashley Madison did, you know, like people killed themselves over that leak. Um, so, uh, you know, I I I'm waiting all this time.
62:57No, law enforcement is not helping.
62:58Media is not helping. Nathan gets arrested with this little girl and they don't include the website at all in any articles. Like, they talk about him being a a person that ran for Congress.
63:08You've seen like you, you know, you've heard the story, but you probably haven't heard about the websites that he was running. And, um, you know, 7,000 people is, you know, it's not a crazy number, but it's a lot of pedophiles in one spot. And if I got all of their email addresses and all their usernames and all their private messages and everything you need, I don't know why this wouldn't be a case on a on a golden platter or silver platter for for law enforcement. So, I was very angry at that point. And the only thing that I could think to do cuz I didn't have the network I have now. You know, I I'm just
63:38a computer hacker that owns healthcare facilities and uh and I'm kind of staying in the dark. So, I was like, you know, I see these vigilante predator groups on YouTube, and at that time, it wasn't like they are now. There's a ton of them that exist now where they go out, they they have decoys who pretend they're kids, and then they go out and and confront them one by one. And um I saw back then there were there were only like, you know, a few of them on on YouTube, not not a ton. So, I asked them um because one I'm sorry, I'm skipping a little bit ahead here. So, those groups that were there, uh, I noticed that in
64:12the videos where they're confronting these predators where they believe they're meeting up with a real child and then they get confronted by an adult, similar to how Chris Hansen was doing it with law enforcement, they were just doing it without law enforcement. They wouldn't know the person's name. A lot of these groups or where they worked or what their wife's name was or what kind of car they drove or any details about them. They would just show up. So, I was like, "Okay, that's where my value could come in. I can I can identify these people and uh and I you know there's a better chance of this guy staying if you
64:40know where he works, if you know what he does and all of his personal details.
64:43He's got a better chance of not just turning around and getting back in his car and driving away. So I reach out to these channels. I offer, you know, to give to provide them with a full case file on anyone that they send, you know, identifiers to. And uh a few of them accepted and for a couple years I uh I did that. So, I was I was helping these channels anonymously. I wasn't putting my name out there. I wasn't asking for any money. I just wanted to help. And that's what made me feel better about nothing happening in the first place with this one website with the politician. Then, skip, you know, skip
65:14those two years of me doing that. Uh, a friend of mine, a professional MMA fighter, we start, uh, and there's a reason why I say that. He's a professional MMA fighter. Um, and we're sitting in a garage. I'm telling him this exact story. I pop open a chat room. I show him, you know, that how bad this problem is. Again, demonstrating that it can happen anywhere, anytime.
65:35Unfortunately, zero effort required. Um, and he is more than willing to start a group with me uh to catch these guys in our local area and in Delray Beach, Florida. So, it was called and he's still running. It's called 561PC.
65:50And um once he starts doing that and he's got a little bit of a social media following and people start watching you know us catch predators. I'm behind the camera uh and he's you know the face of it reading the chat logs to these predators one by one. Um couple of the podcast that focus on MMA wanted to talk to him and uh and asking you know about catch of predators. He br me along on these podcasts and one of them asked me the question how did you get started? So that question right there is what changed the complete trajectory of my life. Like we wouldn't be sitting here right now if that question wasn't asked.
66:25And you know like the butterfly effect type of situation. But um they asked that question. I explained that there's this case. I still had all that data.
66:33Still nothing done with it legally. I just have this database of all these people. Nothing done. And from there, I have all kinds of media reaching out the next day because the a clip from that podcast got 10 million views in less than 24 hours on a on a smaller podcast.
66:48I wake up and my inbox is full. My phone's getting phone calls. We're getting emails and everybody wants to hear the story. Nobody wanted to listen to me the day before, but now they want to hear it because it went viral on social media. And one of those people was Shawn Ryan. Shawn Ryan is And I didn't know Shawn at this time. We never even spoke to each other, but he saw my clip and he was like, "I want to get your message out there." And he took a huge chance on me cuz I could have been lying. I could have been a nut job, a schizophrenic. I might have been making this whole story up. But Sean took me,
67:20you know, took the chance on me of not only that it was truthful, but the chance of releasing that type of content with screenshots and and chat logs and all this stuff on YouTube with the chance that he might lose his channel.
67:32So, I go in there into Shawn Ryan's show and I'm wearing like, you know, a t-shirt. I I say this a lot, but like I'm wearing an oversized t-shirt. I'm paler than I am now. I'm skinny. I uh you know, I'm I'm hesitating on my words. I got lights in my face. I probably drank eight bottles of water.
67:49I'm so nervous, you know, and uh not not because of uh you know, talking about the what I wanted to get out there. I just not used to being on a podcast, you know. It just wasn't my thing. And I I finish it up after we talk about gadgets, which you know, we'll get into.
68:04I want to show you some fun, happy stuff in a minute. But um you know, I start doing that and then I get into this stuff and uh and I walk out of the studio and I ask Sean, I'm like, "Hey man, how do you think that went? Be honest with me." Cuz I I really felt like I messed it up. And he was like, "Yeah, man. I think it went pretty well." And and uh him and I both didn't think it was going to make it five minutes on YouTube because they're they're pretty strict sometimes when it comes to when you especially when you show that type of content. Um, so we didn't think it was going to make it more than 5 minutes and I was okay with
68:32that. I was will like, "Okay, fine. At least I tried. I did everything I possibly could." Sean sends me a text as soon as it's released, like pretty close to as soon as it was released. And and I'm sure you've seen this. One of 10, meaning your video is doing well. And uh that I didn't know what it meant. I just Sean said that it was doing well. It became his biggest podcast that he's ever done still current day on Apple, Spotify, YouTube combined. It's got hundreds of millions of views. um a total of with the shorts billions of views and uh and I'm not saying this because I'm some not noteworthy
69:03individual that at the time that had like a you know that would have brought that type of traffic in. I think what happened is people could resonate and understand that this is not this is not something that is an uncommon problem.
69:15It's something it's a taboo topic that people don't talk about until it happens or you know or happens to someone around them or happens in their family and I'm showing the significance of the problem not just with my words but with factual evidence you know and especially with a live live demonstration of it happening on the podcast. Um and uh you know Sean and I got very close and uh and now I mean this is kind of my first time announcing this but like I'm I'm the godfather of Sean's child. you know, like him and I are very close and and uh and that means a lot to me. I mean, that's a that's his firstborn child, and
69:48I uh you know, I'm I don't want to go into detail about his personal stuff, but that Sean gave me the okay to to say that. And I uh you know I I love the guy very much and he he took a chance on me that nobody else would you know and um there's a whole other story with that you might be interested in with Project Veraritoss getting involved and then fumbling it and you know their interim CEO telling me the story wasn't a title wave and they threw it out. But the journalist at Project Veritoss tried very hard they they did expose a few people in that original database. Um they tried to partner up with Shawn on
70:22the release of it but completely failed.
70:24Why do you think that project veritas wouldn't run it?
70:28>> I think they're just were extremely incompetent after James O'Keeffe either left or was fired, whatever actually happened there. No one really knows except for him. Um, and I I genuinely don't I don't even know him personally, but they reach out. They said they want to do it. The journalist spent a ton of time uncovering these people and showing up where they were at, recording them undercover and and asking them, "Hey, what were you doing on this site?" And uh and why, you know, did you say this?
70:51Did you say that? and they had all this evidence, but since it didn't make it into the New York Post or the New York Times, they weren't willing willing to continue with the story. And then I looked into the the um you know, I looked into the circulation on those whatever one it was, press or the times or post or the times and the circulation was like a tenth of what social like, you know, a small influencer on social media would be getting in, you know, that year. So, it made no sense. The CE the interim CEO, her name is Hannah Giles. I don't know if you're familiar with her, but she Yes, I am.
71:20>> Okay. So Hannah got gets on the phone with me and says that this story is not a title wave and it got completely shut down. Their journalists on the other hand were very upset about it. They cuz they they really cared. It was a passion project for them. Uh the the management team, they they just threw it out. But Sean Ryan was the one that pushed the story so far that allowed me to get involved with federal law enforcement to work with Satnel Foundation to to deal, you know, now I've been I've worked with every agency under the sun. you name the acronym. It's I've worked with them and uh it's, you know, it's a blessing that
71:52I never thought would ever happen for me. It's a very dark path that I chose to take, but uh but I believe that I did it for the right reasons. And uh and I I told you I pray I pray to to God every single night that if you don't want this in my life to take it away from me, you know, and uh and it just, you know, unfortunately keeps getting worse. So, you made reference earlier to uh organized groups that are behind this almost inconceivable effort to make children harm themselves.
72:21Um, Satanist groups.
72:24What are those groups?
72:25>> So, there's a few of them that that I'm familiar with or that I've seen, I guess, is a better way to put it. And it just actually reminded me of a conversation I want to show you. Um, because a lot of it's senseless. So like the like the it's all senseless but you know even if they believe that what they're doing is right. So the order of nine angles is one that I believe has been around a long time.
72:46>> The order of nine angles >> or 09A they go by um they they believe in a thing called culling which is like you know they believe that they get power by harming other people.
72:58>> They do >> um >> that's a real spiritual principle.
73:00That's what human sacrifice is.
73:04>> Understood. That's what you know every ancient religion was about that um from the Canaanites till present.
73:11Uh yeah that's like that is literally devil worship. You get power from from hurting others >> and they they believe that I mean they they openly talk about it and and use the words culling is culling. Yeah.
73:23>> 09A >> 09A and then uh I saw a reference recently to uh NLM no lives matter >> and um and if you don't mind I can pull it out. I want to show you this conversation because the guy is, you know, one of them is selling tickets to his suicide and another one is he wanted to be murdered by, you know, suicide by a cop, but instead of just letting it happen that way, he was talking to one of these these cultists and and he was deciding uh, you know, should he, you know, murder a bunch of people on the way out and what group is he going to do it for? You know, like like just, you know, >> right? You don't need to. I mean, what
74:01we're watching is like, you know, a country that needs an exorcism.
74:04>> It seriously does. And uh and that that conversation, if you don't want to see it, that's okay. It's a it's it's a guy that is just he he's ready to end his life. Like, and I don't support hurting yourself in any way, shape, or form. But if you're going to do that, >> don't bring other people out with you.
74:19>> Well, the whole point of it is, I mean, suicide is an act of hostility. Anyone who's been around it can affirm that. Um so, yeah. By the way, Jesus cast the demons, the legion of demons out of the man into the herd of pigs. What's the first thing they do? Kill themselves.
74:35>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, like that's a good point.
74:38>> Yeah. No, it's it it's so obviously um the product of of [snorts] possession. Uh order of nine angles. What does that mean, nine angles?
74:50>> I I genuinely don't know, >> but it's been around a while.
74:52>> Been around a while. Yeah. Yeah, I do know that part. And these are groups that are just like internet groups.
74:58>> Yeah. But I I think order of nine angles also has like physical members that are not just internet. There's a combination between them and like let's just say 764 instead of because there's a ton of subgroups that go underneath of it that do exactly the same thing. um they have connections to these real life groups that like you know that will go out and you know protest something or go burn a burn a building down or have you ever heard of um like you know I don't want to go off completely off to a different topic here but we we brought up swatting temporarily um do you know what swatting is?
75:29>> I do.
75:29>> Okay. So, I've been swatted three times just talking about these these things on online um by these these guys and uh you know telling people that there's there's uh you know I got which I don't even have a wife but my wife is tied to a chair. I got bombs in the windows that I'm going to kill any cop that comes in the door and you know I request these 911 calls cuz I know the cops in the area. I could and you can do Freedom of Information Act or just request it from dispatch and I hear it's not even like you know it doesn't sound anything like me and any of these calls. Um, but SWAT teams are coming to my house and they
76:01want and now they got the last one. They called my phone in advance and told me, "Hey, we got officers around the corner.
76:08Like, would you mind just coming out front to make sure everything's all good?" And I'm out there with my coffee cup and did a little 360 around and like, you know, they're they just are trying to torture me and they've been harassing my family. They've uh, you know, they've threatened my friends. U, they've threatened my me death threats.
76:24They they've, you know, you name it, they've done What I find baffling is that you and I are talking about these groups. You're naming them. They've harmed you. They've clearly harmed or killed other people. What kind of effort is there at the FBI to to find these people and prosecute them?
76:40>> It's just it's it's not um it's I don't think that it's a lack of passion. I think that you know HSI for example, all they're focusing on right now is immigration. like people are literally leaving their jobs because all like the actual from from what I've been told they are uh you know they're not focusing on investigations especially in child crimes you know they're just focusing on immigration FBI on the other hand um I don't think the passion isn't there I think the problem is the resources and the the the skill set and the training that that doesn't exist um >> well if you have active Satanist groups
77:15trying to kill people in your country it seems like that would be a party I mean I know it's not like January 6th level priority, but like somewhere on the list, you would have to want to address that, right?
77:24>> Totally understand. And they they are addressing it, but not not in the not to the ability that I know that they could.
77:31Um, so, you know, it kind of segueed into me coming up with an idea because we send with Sentinel Foundation, we send people all over the world to train law enforcement on how to use new tools and how to identify people the same way that I identify you. like the first way, you know, first 10 minutes of our our show. Um, it training law enforcement like how to do those things so that they could go off of an identifier like a username or a profile photo or um a phone number or whatever it may be.
77:58Let's say it's just a license plate or I I've even had one guy I remember the story but uh he had a he was he was like a plumber, you know, and you can see the logo of the plumbing company and a little portion of his face and I was able to locate him just based on where he worked. I didn't even know what city or town that he lived in or name. And I went through the fa simple but effective went through the Facebook comments of that particular business. I did a reverse image search, not face search, reverse image search of the logo for the plumbing company, found their Facebook profile, and then was able to locate him
78:33based off of, you know, a little a little portion of the picture that I could identify him as. Took a lot of leg work. There was no automation. There was no um advanced technology there. But sometimes open source intelligence is is is simple and sometimes it's extremely advanced. Um, and that's why people like myself and other people that are working in this space, you know, if they if they're good with open source intelligence, because it doesn't just apply to child crimes, it applies to any crime. Um, identifying where somebody is at or what they're doing or what something is or details about a
79:04particular thing, should be a skill set of all law enforcement, I believe. And um, and we're doing a great job at that with Sentinel. Then with pentester um we made a product called osent pilot that you know it's instead of training and sending people all over the world and country uh they can just conversationally talk. This is only for law enforcement by the way. This is not for consumers. The pentester product itself is for consumers but Osent pilot uh if you're law enforcement reach out to us. We'll help you out. Um there's no training required. So you type in a person. And let's just say it was that
79:38guy that had a a logo of a plumbing uh company on his shirt and his face wasn't really that visible and there wasn't much to go off of. Our tool will take that image, it will take the description, it'll search, you know, search everything you would do by hand.
79:53We have over 40 tools implemented into it. And uh about 10 minutes later, you'll have a 30 or 40 page report on that individual if it was something you was able to find. Obviously, the more identifiers you add, the more effective it's going to be. But um but we made something that's never been done before and it requires no training. Like you said, you don't have a computer. You've never used a computer. I guarantee you that if I said, "Hey, find uh you know, John Doe. Here's your identifier that you have, the last four digits of his phone number, and you know, he lives in this city and his you know, first name
80:24and uh you know, the last initial." That tool will find him. and uh and and even if you didn't know to put that information in, our tool will tell you, you know, it'll tell you what to provide it. So, it's something that we we built.
80:37We're super proud of it. And um it's uh you know, that that's that's what I believe the FBI should be doing. HSI, everybody should be reaching out to not only myself, but anybody that's willing to provide these OSENT resources or because it can deeper than that. OENT, Seant, human. There's all these different types of intelligence that, you know, more people out there than myself are doing. But, you know, just my opinion.
81:03Yeah. It just seems like an emergency if you have uh, you know, Satanist groups working to kill Americans and their children.
81:13I don't know. I mean, I know, you know, they're not Iranian, but that would seem like something we should be really working together. You shouldn't be a computer nerd like myself digging through these chat rooms or or Sentinel Foundation. We should be working in and a lot of times we're working in tandem with federal law enforcement like with with all of these cases, but when it comes to the the mass scale, you're absolutely right. It's not it's not being prioritized in the way that we're prioritizing it.
81:39>> Yeah. I mean, it's everything that will destroy you and your family. What is that box of gadgets right there?
81:46>> I got a lot of gadgets for you and I think that you're going to like them.
81:49So, we let's see. Let's get to some better better happy.
81:52>> No, I don't know if that's happy or not.
81:54I'm afraid of gadgets, too.
81:55>> Well, there No, the it's a different type of fear. The other ones are more of a Yeah, I'll show you.
82:02I almost messed with you. And I don't want to give away where we're at right now, but downstairs is a very unique place, right? And um there's a lamp that happened to be sitting there. I don't know, you know, if you probably don't even know it's there, but to the left of the couch, there's a lamp sitting there.
82:16And this right here, my friend, uh, his name's Peaks. He took a regular bulb off of Amazon. It's called, uh, Wise, like, and then he made a bunch of different ones. So, like, you could buy this smart bulb on Amazon and make it change colors essentially is all that it does. He uh, he put modified software or firmware onto this bulb. And I can match the colors of your other bulbs. Let's say I was in your bathroom going to, you know, using it. swapped out a bulb and left your office. Now I have an implant that I can monitor your your Wi-Fi or or try to pivot from this device to your other devices and take over your computers in
82:55you know in your house or your office.
82:57Um and uh you know I could show you if you had a lamp I could show you but you know >> would tell me what it does. So I leave that in your house and then I get to do what?
83:06>> So leave this in in a house for example the goal would be to access your your your network. So, I would knock your devices offline with it. It has the ability to do that. Um, which you know I it's called a deauthentication attack.
83:19And then from there, you capture what's called a handshake. And then I can try to crack your Wi-Fi password from that handshake. Once I have that, now this light bulb is on your network with the rest of your computers. And um, you know, from from there, I could try to pivot from the bulb onto your computers with your sensitive information and and files and, you know, anything. Or I could start to reroute your traffic with it's called DNS uh to fishing pages and try to steal credentials. I mean this light bulb could be you know how a router is connected to the internet.
83:50Yes.
83:50>> I could trick your computer into believing that this light bulb is the router. So I have the way I'm routing the internet through the bulb.
83:57>> It can do a lot more than that. I'm just trying to simplify it a little bit.
84:00>> And I can communicate with that light bulb from afar.
84:02>> Um and in this this bulb know I have to you have to be within Wi-Fi range. There are other devices that are implants that you could at a distance with SIM cards or other means or if they're plugged directly into the back of a computer, you know, like I do have one of those in my bag that you would never know. You would never unplug it cuz it looks like it's it's supposed to be there. That one connects, you know, I could be in Guatemala and I could have complete control over that device from Guatemala.
84:29>> Um.
84:29>> Wow.
84:30>> Yeah. So, that that's that's the the hackers nightlight. I thought that was kind of a cool, you know, that is cool.
84:34And you know, think of it like this, like these that's this is a real brand.
84:37This is not something that he like paid to prototype. He hacked the bulb itself.
84:41And um it you know, imagine a company like this either getting hacked like compromised or like a lot of these come from China. So let's say a Chinese company goes rogue, which I don't think is too crazy to think about modern day, and um sends out custom firmware for these bulbs that does something malicious on your home network. You know what? if it gains access to your computer or to your uh Amazon Alexa or whatever it may be and now they're listening to you in your house or they're they're you know just trying to steal your passwords or doing whatever they're doing. They're collecting data or intel um which there's so many
85:17examples of that.
85:17>> Here's another one. Uh so same guy uh just buying smart, you know, they're called internet of things or smart home devices straight off the internet. This is just a smart plug that looks I mean you can look at it. There's nothing nothing special. Oh, >> what what makes it smart?
85:36>> It it connects to Alexa and Wi-Fi, so you can turn something on or off. It's just a simple gadget that you can buy on Amazon.
85:44>> Works, you know, and let's say you want >> So, you you plug this in, plug the lamp or whatever into this. And then rather than actually just moving your fingers and turning it off, you tell some chick called Alexa to do it.
85:56>> Yeah. You tell Alexa, you say, "Hey, turn the lamp on." And she turns the lamp on. that is essentially the same as the light bulb. So that will monitor, you know, the network and and still work just as as it does out of the factor.
86:08>> I don't want to be judgy, but the idea of like having Alexa in my house or anything like this in my house is just bizarre to me.
86:13>> Yeah. I >> Why would you do that?
86:16>> So I my personal reason is uh is I can see the traffic going in and out of my house. I know that the microphone has to be listening at all times to look to listen for the word Alexa. Um, I'm aware of that, but I know that my conversations, unless I say the word Alexa, are not being sent to Amazon server. So, I'm personally not scared of it. But I do know that if somebody really wanted to, they could use those devices to listen or see inside my house. That is a fact.
86:42>> Of course.
86:42>> Yeah, even I know that.
86:44>> Yeah, of course. But I I'm okay with the risk there personally. Which brings me to a topic that is a little bit more scary.
86:50>> Okay. Um, so you know, I don't know what your setup is at home with cameras, with your garage door, with your car, you know, if you if you know, but have you ever seen have have you ever seen anything like this before?
87:04>> No.
87:04>> So, what this device would do and and the usage of the of it is illegal. So, if I press that button, we're both committing a federal crime, you know.
87:11>> Not me, man.
87:12>> Yeah, we're not pressing the button today.
87:13>> Okay.
87:14>> Unless, you know, unless you want to, but the this is called a jammer. So, what this does is it it it's going to shut down every single cell phone in this entire entire building, 70 m. Um, it's going to turn off GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, all all of it. It's going to jam all all signals that are important, which means your wireless cameras are not going to work. Your Bluetooth, you know, microphones, your uh your everything. You can't call 911. You have no way unless you have a landline hidden around here somewhere. the alarm system in this place that likely has a cellular connection can't contact. You might hear
87:48the alarm going off, but nobody's nobody's getting a notification that you're being robbed or anything. This device can cause a serious problem in your life, especially with the the video cameras and alarms and phones. Um there is no solution for this problem, you know, and and it it brings me how does that work? So, what it does is like imagine um a like a way to put this into an analogy would be okay, we're in a small room, right? And if I screamed at the top of my lungs and then I told you to tell me a story when I'm screaming.
88:21If somebody was sitting over there, um I'm, you know, they may not be able to hear your story because I'm screaming.
88:28That's what this is doing. It's screaming at the top of its lung 70 m and signals can't they're just so garbled by the time they make it out of that range that it that you know the 70 m range they don't work. So it just immediately the second I pressing that button everything goes off.
88:43>> What's the cancer risk from being near something like that when it's on >> I mean it definitely puts a ton of EMS out but I don't think much more than your average radio. I mean you're you're surrounded I could show you a pretty wild example of that right now without turning anything on. Uh, this is just Bluetooth alone. Check this out.
89:02I always show this to people that talk about EMFs because I, you know, you cannot avoid them. Uh, here, right here.
89:11I don't know if it >> here. You could just pass it to me cuz I >> There you go. Here's just the You can scroll down. You see the colors there?
89:18Scroll down on the colors. They're all the just They're just the Bluetooth devices that are within 30 feet of us.
89:26That's just Bluetooth. So, you know, imagine cellular. You got GPS, Wi-Fi, you got radio, you have like, you know, from CDMMA, GSM, 4G, LTE, literally all cellular signals. They're all hitting us. So, if we got 50 Bluetooth devices in this building, which you know, or more, it might have been more than 50 there. You're being all these signals are passing through you regardless. the ionizing radiation is the ones you should worry about like 5G and and being close to a 5G tower. I believe that those are dangerous, you know, especially at long-term exposure. Um, but no matter how protected you are,
90:02unless you live in the middle of nowhere with, you know, no signal to anything or you put your house in what's called a Faraday cage, like you you're getting penetrated by these signals whether you like it or not.
90:14>> What if you're sitting on an airplane using Wi-Fi?
90:17>> Same exact thing. And you're even getting ultra ultraviolet because you know the higher you go up the less protection you have in the sky.
90:23>> Violets get skin cancer. Yeah.
90:25>> Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, I mean it's something it's almost unavoidable in my opinion.
90:29>> So that jammer right there is commercially available.
90:33>> Yeah. So they're illegal to buy. They're not illegal to own, but they're illegal to use. So of course I found this on the highway on my way here.
90:40>> Yeah.
90:40>> But uh >> if you wanted to buy one illegally, where would you buy it?
90:44>> China. China is the primary, you know, place selling them and a lot of the websites are scammed. So, luckily, criminals that want to buy them will likely get ripped off. Um, but, you know, whoever bought this and left it on the on the side of the road, um, must have known the right person to buy it from.
91:01>> Does it work? Well, >> yeah, it does work. Yeah, it definitely works. And I've used it that I publicly used it. I know that it's a crime, but I've used it in controlled settings.
91:10>> But if I wanted to like stage a home invasion, I'd turn that on first.
91:14>> Yeah. Yeah. And I've shown examples on on social media with even smaller versions of this which I want to show you cuz it relates to um Iran and the drones and and and I want to show you something interesting with that. But I showed a device similar to this that uh that disabled my doorbells and disabled everything um by just you know clicking a button because it overwhelms that signal. And when the device doesn't have storage on it itself like a lot of these new cameras they rely on the cloud. If they can't connect to the cloud, then the storage, I'm sorry, then then the footage never existed. So, um, to repeat
91:50that, like, you know, if you have a cloud-based camera or wireless camera, if it loses connection to the internet or the cloud, the videos are gone. The images are gone. There's no way to recover it. So, if somebody gets a hold of a jammer or if you just happen to lose internet, you have no cameras anymore. You have no footage. you have no, you know, you have no way to know somebody's approaching your house or where if you aren't home that somebody entered your house. It's it's just as if it didn't happen. So, using wired cameras is the solution to that problem.
92:20Um, and that goes for, you know, I've shown some examples on the news with the with hacking garage doors and opening cars and being able to duplicate key fobs and, you know, capturing those signals out of the sky. Uh, you know, you would never know that that's happening. So, your house, and I could go on a whole thing about safety with your house, but one little advice while while it's on my mind, is if your house is connected, I'm sorry, if your garage door is connected to your house and there's a door that enters your house from your garage, treat that door like it's your front door because I could be
92:53standing 100 ft, 200 feet away from your garage. When you go and click that button in your car to open the door, I can capture the signal for a very large number of the manufacturers and I can forever gain access to your garage door.
93:06Um, and I've demonstrated it over and over again in in many different places.
93:10You know, one of the largest streamers on the internet, uh, Aiden Ross. Um, I I hacked his gate same way. I I have forever access to Aiden Ross's gate where he's got millions of dollars worth of merchandise, cars, and you know, it's all with a simple gadget. So, I want to show you that real quick.
93:30>> Sorry, I don't want to cut you.
93:31>> No, that's amazing.
93:33>> Thank you. So, just imagine um imagine that you're sitting in a Walmart parking lot as a criminal. You're a criminal and and you're you're sitting in this parking lot. So, uh, I could be using a device like, which I'll explain what this is in a second, but, um, this device you could buy. It's not going to do this out of the box. This is custom the dark web firmware that's bought from Russians that, you know, it's, uh, you know, right now $2,900, I believe. We didn't pay for it. We like the people that that gave it to me hacked the hacked firmware. So, it's like a double hack exception. But, uh, I got a hold of it
94:10that way. And um let me just so grab this key fob and I'll show you if there's battery in this key fob.
94:22Okay. Three.
94:23>> Is that how people steal cars?
94:25>> Uh so you can't steal a car with this, but you can get in the back seat of a car with this. You could, you know.
94:32Okay. Here we go. Um you you cannot steal a car with with this. You can but you can completely duplicate this key fob. So, I can pop the trunk. I can, you know, enable the alarm. I can lock and unlock it. All it takes is me just pressing any button on here. It doesn't matter which button. So, uh, can I show you? Can I come over there?
94:50>> Yeah.
94:51>> I just don't know how these cameras work.
94:54So, you see how it's it's saying fixed scan? It's listening on this frequency here, which usually key fobs are going to operate in either 315 MHz or 433 MHz.
95:06Um, if I have that running at all times in a Walmart parking lot, like when I hit the lock button, let's say this is the lock button. Every time I hit lock, a new one comes up as you see. So, let's say I save this. And if you look here, it says Kia Hyundai, which is what this is right here.
95:25Um, and then if I just do, let's just say, sorry, button's not working.
95:35All right, I'll just do 0 one.
95:49There we go. So, when I hit this, so now I don't have the key fob anymore.
95:53Imagine I have 10 people that's walking out of Walmart. They all click their key fob. Didn't matter what button they pressed. They could have hit lock, unlock, whatever. So, I hit this. That's lock, unlock. See how it says open there? Trunk.
96:09And if you see here, every single time that I click the button, you see that number at the end is changing. 155 1 F7 1 16E 1 C. So, it's going in sync with the key fob, knowing what the next code is going to be. And all I need to do now is walk around the parking lot and start hitting the lock and unlock button and look for what car it was. So, I could, you know, let's say it's Christmas or let's say it's a holiday or let's say I'm a a dangerous person. I could sit in the backseat of someone's car, wait for them to get in it and make someone's worst fear come true.
96:42>> That's amazing.
96:43>> So, you know, luckily, which I'll explain this over here.
96:48Luckily, this is not something that's easy to get your hands on right now. Um, you can buy one of these devices for 170 bucks, but it's not going to be much more than, you know, like something that could turn a TV on or off or like last night in in the place that that you guys put me [clears throat] in, I I hacked the uh the the light in there like where I could turn the light on and off and I could, you know, change the the speed of the fan in the room. Um, you know, just just for fun, you know, I thought as much content as I can get out here, I'm going to do it. So, so you know, this device can do that type of stuff that
97:19but it isn't going to open a garage door or hack a car like, you know, like I just showed you here. The the same method with a garage door is is identical to what I just showed you with this key fob. So, my advice to everyone and including you, Tucker, is if your garage connects to your house, deadbolt that thing like it's your front door because it just takes a sophisticated enough criminal to jam signals and uh and then, you know, open your garage door and and enter your house, you know.
97:50So, I I'm sure you're a believer in in protecting yourself with firearms.
97:55That's the next step. you know, you take technology out and then, you know, then you have the hands-on and and what what your other solutions are. But >> yeah, firearms are the only technology I trust. Just being honest, >> they work well. They, you know, they they're better than 5G. They they make big >> trust striker fire pistols. I'm a revolver guy. That's how >> you can put a revolver right up against somebody. You don't have to worry about that.
98:15>> Well, that's the only distance I would be effective with a revolver because [laughter] >> that's why cops used them, right? Wasn't it?
98:21>> Well, they did use them. Yeah. Then they were talked into the striker fire pistols in the early 90s and accidental shootings just went off the chart and you know whatever. I've got a lot of thoughts on ballistics but uh yeah no but the point is um you know you don't ever want to be in a position where you have to harm somebody of course I'm opposed to that but you can trust a revolver whereas you can't trust a security system. What is that?
98:44>> So this is called a nan box and this is a you know an interesting interesting invention. So, uh, friends of mine, we there's this hacking conference in Vegas that happens every year called Defcon, and it's the largest one in the world, and 30,000 or so hackers go there from all over the world, and they they meet with each other.
99:04>> What's the bar scene like at night at the hacker conference?
99:07>> Oh my gosh, it's you you can envision it already. Long hair, neck, beards, and totally bun. Yeah, adult. It smells bad.
99:16Yeah, it's a it's exactly what you think it is. And there's furries there. You know what a furry is?
99:21>> No. Furry.
99:21>> A furry. Or fries. You know, I got the Delco accent. Yeah. But the Yeah, there's furries there. You know, there's some normal hackers out there. I like to consider myself a normal one. Maybe I'm not. But then there's some real nut jobs.
99:34>> Dude, you're at the high end of normal.
99:36>> Thank you. Thank you very much, sucker.
99:38Not a furry.
99:39>> No.
99:40>> Okay, good.
99:41So, I'm at Defcon and a nonferryy comes up to me uh and and shows me this this thing and he was like, "Hey, man, take this. It's 3D printed." I don't know if you know what a 3D printer is. It's this entire thing, even the multiple colors 3D printed. I was like super impressed, especially with these ears cuz they're so, you know, like they feel like Well, I just broke it, but uh this side is strong. It was probably already broken.
100:04Whatever the case is, it's strong 3D print. I was like, "Wow, that's impressive." That's what I said to the guy. Um, and then, uh, you know, I I I didn't really know what he was giving me. I just put it around my neck because it came on a, you know, on a lanyard.
100:17And I turn it on later on and I see it's got all these crazy features. Um, and I'll show you. So, I'll read some of them so it makes sense to you there. So, it's Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and other. And I started to go through it. I'm like, "Wow, these guys thought of like everything." Um, one second.
100:34>> What does it do?
100:35>> So, I'm gonna show you. It's It does a lot. And uh it's it's jam-packed into this tiny device that they put a couple different devices inside of and then 3D printed around it. Um so it's got a drone detector, a drone spoofer, Flock camera. You know, are you familiar with Flock?
100:50>> No.
100:51>> Flock are these cameras that are, you know, the United States. It's a private company that's working with law enforcement.
100:57>> Oh, of course.
100:57>> Yeah. And they're uh they're taking people's license plates and they're, you know, they're storing this data that that is invading, in my opinion, on everybody's privacy. So, this is detecting flock cameras, uh, and flock devices. Um, there's a device scout option on here. That means it can track to see what devices could potentially be following or tracking you. So, like if somebody was through through a device in your car, this could tell you, you know, that that that's happening. So, you like without you having to physically find it cuz things can only track you in certain ways, whether it be cellular, Bluetooth,
101:30Wi-Fi, like or some type of EMFs are going to be coming off of that device.
101:34In this case, it's going to be looking for Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Um, but what I think you'd be most interested in here is it can jam. So, it can do the the video cameras, remote control cars, uh, you know, you know, any any type of signal, Wi-Fi, but not as effective as that giant one I just pulled out.
101:52>> Um, the drone detector and drone spoofer is something that I think is kind of interesting because this is a consumer device. You could buy this from them.
102:00They're willing to buy it. I'm sorry.
102:02they're willing to sell it to you on their website. And the first thought you probably are having is why would they sell a device that can do these things, you know, why? Because it can cause damage. You know, it even has a body cam detector for Axiom that the brand police use for body cams. Like why would somebody need something like this? Um and uh you know, the answer to it is penetration testing goes good and bad.
102:24You know, like there's like we have a company that people hire us to pretend like we are the hackers. we find all the vulnerabilities before an actual attacker does so that you can fix them.
102:34The point of this device is essentially the same thing. You're treating it, you know, you're treating the uh the the engagement as if it's a real one. So, with the drone spoofer, for example, which I I want to explain to you about this this stuff cuz it's kind of wild.
102:50The drone spoofer, a counter UAS company reaches out to them. I don't know the name of the company, but I could find out for you. um a counter UAIS company that is working overseas uh asked for them to use one of these for drone spoofing. So counter UAS just means unmanned aircraft system. And when a bunch of drones are incoming, the goal is to know that that's about to happen.
103:15Um, if you're using a device even as small as this, it overwhelmed their current system to the point where they couldn't determine whether it was real or fake drones and it would be a, you know, not a good thing, but a great way to divert military cuz they're going to think we have a thousand drones coming from the north and here's the statuses of them. one's damaged, one's, you know, landing, one's going this, you know, 20 mph, this one's going 5 m hour, this one's, you know, you can change the statuses and make it appear like these drones are doing all of these things because of this technology that exists.
103:50Um, it's called uh remote ID. and remote ID came into effect in 2024 in consumer drones and it required that every single drone that's purchased um you know obviously the government drones could could differ but uh but any any drones purchased at March I believe of 2024 has to transmit the position of where the person is standing the position of the drone the speed the altitude um and the serial number of the drone which then could give you the name of the person that registered the drone in the first place. Um, this device can can determine that with any drone that's flying around you. So, if you have some guy flying
104:29around in your backyard with a drone, you could go show up at his house because you know exactly where he's standing and you can get his name if he registered it. Um, and then as as I said, for the spoofing side of things, that could get really dangerous, especially >> what does that mean spoofing? It just it creates the impression of something that's not actually there.
104:46>> Exactly. So on their on their UAS on their screen where it would look like uh their counter UAS system where it would look like kind of like a radar, you know, with like dots. Just imagine it being overwhelmed with dots and then they don't know if it's real or not real. They're they get geared up as if it is real and then drones come in from a different angle that are not detectable at all, you know. So you it's it's very dangerous and and I don't know what the solution to the problem is because you know there's companies like Andrew out there that are flying drones in with fiber optic and optic cables
105:17that don't even need radio. They have local AI on them um that uh that you know is is making decisions on what parts of tanks to to hit to weaken them and has already been hit by this one or like if they the drones work together.
105:31um you know so I don't know exactly what the the solution to this problem is but uh but I do believe that knowing that it exists and uh and researching some of this technology especially for uh for our country is important because drones it's not like these are a new thing like they they were called quadcopters when I was a kid and they were hobbyists or fun thing to do and then as time went on people started to weaponize them and now they're part of war and uh and something as simple as a 3D printed box given at a hacking convention can cause a big problem in our in the military.
106:03>> Well, yeah. And they're not just part of war. They are war. We're watching it today. What's that device right there?
106:08It looks like a transistor radio.
106:10>> So, this is it pretty much is partially what it is. It's a hack RF, which is just a it's it does a ton of things.
106:17Radio related only. um which you know it well not just radio I guess also some some other bands because it's without going into a whole radio nerd conversation it it's from uh 1 mehz to 6 gigahertz and I don't know if you know how big of a range that is but it's huge um it's like the only device that I'm aware of that can do anything like that but if you look in the receive you'll see I can look for airplanes boats um I can even access the intercoms in a CVS and Walgreens and like that that thing is pretty pretty wide child. Um, I could over some of the older uh loudspeakers at fast food restaurants. I could talk
106:55to talk through them and listen to them, you know, in the bars, touch tunes.
106:59>> So, this to summarize G gives you a readout of all the radio signals around you.
107:05>> Uh, well, yeah. So, it's going to receive or transmit. So, you could you could either receive everything around you or transmit at at a a very large range. And that is pre-programmed with some third party firmware. It's called the H4M or uh or um the Mayhem firmware.
107:23It allows you to do some wild things.
107:25Like harmless, for example, you're at a bar and you see the touch tunes machine that people pay to play music on.
107:31>> Yeah.
107:31>> That thing can take over the touch tunes, uh add credits to it, turn it off, change the volume, change the song.
107:37Um you know, just you know, easy simple things. Or it could be more malicious where like I said, hacking a garage door or a car or so. So I I just let me I just want to end on a philosophical question for you.
107:50>> Sure.
107:51>> So you've just spent two hours describing like the darkest sides of consumer technology. Internet garage doors. Okay.
108:01And I know that all of that technology has brought I guess at least consoretically brought great benefits to humanity.
108:08Whatever. You don't have to lift up your own garage door. I have manual garage doors for whatever.
108:12>> Do you really?
108:13>> Yes, I do.
108:13>> Wow. You're the first one I've ever met.
108:15>> Really?
108:16>> That's great. I'm glad.
108:17>> Yeah, I do.
108:17>> Yeah. Lock them.
108:19>> Yeah. Um or just live in a place with no crime. That's my uh my solution. But um all of that, you know, I can see the upsides to all of that stuff. But >> they've all all of those consumer technology products have introduced like massive vulnerabilities and control methods like they've made us less free also.
108:42>> Agreed. And why didn't anyone mention that along the way? Like I remember when they were trying to sell us on like, you know, the dishwasher you can control with your iPhone, >> of course.
108:54>> And I was like, I'm happy to do it by hand.
108:57>> Yeah. Yeah. I agree with that for sure.
109:00>> Yeah. The internet of things like did in the end are we going to look back on this period and think we were being softened up to like surrender human autonomy to the machine? I think it's going to be worse than that because of AI. Yeah, I think because AI and and we're we're trying to get artificial general intelligence where AI has consciousness and if we do achieve that state at any point, but my question is like how vulnerable is the average homeowner living as he does surrounded by all these electronic devices >> that ultimately he doesn't have any control over but somebody else does.
109:37Like it seems like we put ourselves in quite a spot. So there Yeah, we do. And and there is some some modern solutions for modern problems, you know, and the more >> I see the jammer and I just want to set that off in my living room just like stop it all.
109:49>> Yeah. I'll buy one and secretly use it [laughter] >> against myself.
109:53>> Yeah. There you go.
109:54>> It's a it's a good way to to make sure you're not getting anything in or out.
109:57>> Yeah.
109:58>> But um you know, same with these Faraday bags, but like it stops it so your phone can't get or receive text. Like let's say you're going to a country or you're in a meeting or something and you don't want anything to go in or out. Like you could just bring something like this like like without giving their company name.
110:12>> Oh, I have a million of them.
110:13>> Yeah. Okay.
110:14>> I don't use them anymore.
110:16>> Well, >> because I think it's useless and I think my phone's already controlled. So, it's like >> Well, you've been hacked, you know, you many times.
110:22>> But to avoid being hacked, there's things you can do and and one thing that in my experience cuz I do it every day for a living is know what's out there on yourself. Know what your digital footprint is. Check out Pentester. Sorry for being that guy, but check out Pentester cuz it's worth it. Throw in your email, like, you know, see what comes back. Um, spend spend a couple dollars to make sure that you're you're protected. Remove as much personal data about yourself as possible so you don't have to worry about somebody being able to find your address or find your information online and uh and then take
110:56some of the stuff that I'm showing you, these devices. As of right now, criminals are not, you know, super sophisticated. But the these younger kids, they're growing up around computers and they're going to learn about this technology. Uh, and and this technology is only going to advance.
111:11Just continue to keep yourself in the loop and don't just be stagnant and think that this is never going to happen to you. Um, [clears throat] doesn't mean that it will, but don't be naive, you know.
111:20>> Is there any device electronic device you would not bring inside your home?
111:25I mean, I would I I would personally, even if I didn't like the device, I would put it on what's called a virtual land or similar to like a guest network, how it's like kind of segre separated.
111:35Um, you know, I I I'm not super concerned about I even have like a vacuum in my house right now that I know is sending data to a Chinese cloud server. I made a video about it and it went insane because, you know, it's China, a cloud server. People like that uh for whatever reason on the internet and I still have the thing plugged in. And I mean, I'm not worried about it because it's segregated on my network. And even if the thing goes rogue, which it may, um, it can't access anything else because it's digitally locked in its little sandbox.
112:04>> So, you're not afraid that at one point the CCP is going to order it to vacuum you?
112:09>> Yeah. It might get my little my baby pinky toe or something, but that's about as bad as it could.
112:14>> So, there's no device that you would be personally afraid of having in your home.
112:18>> Maybe your cell phone.
112:19>> Yeah. I don't think you want my cell phone in your house. Yeah, I don't want that one in there. [laughter] >> Literally. Ryan, thank you for all of this. I'm going to be um thinking about it for the next week, every the second I wake up in the morning. That was really dark. I hope somebody does something about those groups.
112:36>> I am sorry. And I'm working as hard as I possibly can to do that and and I appreciate you letting me share that message on your platform because it means the world to me more than I can even put in words.
112:46>> Thank you. Thank you for doing this.
112:47>> Thank you. [music]
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