0:01And basically, you would have you had like an intro before all the links to the different chapters cuz you would just finish pretty much all of them at that time or maybe there were still two more to come, but there were like 19 or 20 on there. And your intro was like, "Yo, so look, I was just going to do a quick like two-parter on this and got crazy fam. So, here it is." And I'm looking at this and there's like 10 likes on it and I'm like, "All right. I mean, was were people looking at this or did they just write it off cuz the basketball guy wrote it?" I'm like, "All right, I'm going to give this a look."
0:31And I would literally like read a chapter like this on my phone like in the one room and it would take me like an hour and then I'd like get up and Oh god. Oh god. I'm like walking around like, "No.
0:44No. I'm like, this guy went back to like the Treaty of Versailles."
0:50>> do that, yeah. And where on what happened? Please walk me through this. It's so great to finally have you here. I have shouted this out for years and people need to know about your work cuz you're getting back in the game with it now, but what what happened?
1:05All right, so I was writing about the NBA for years and I I just have an oddity that I do not like to be lied to.
1:11We can psych analyze me about that if you want, but like I just it's just it's not it doesn't sit well with me. And so I always was a little tripped up in the like the NBA was kind of a front door for me to see like billionaires and how they behave cuz if essentially the associate the the the league offices work at the behest of 30 billionaires. And so there were just kind of a bunch of stories I was involved in. I ran a big team that was like investigative and stuff and and we kept running into this like kind of just horrible And so I got a little annoyed at like, "What are these billionaires doing?" You
1:43know? And so then at the time we were relaunching TrueHoop post-ESPN, I did a big investigation into the oligarch Mikhail Prokhorov who owned the Brooklyn Nets.
1:51>> Yes. And that was hairy. That was crazy. Um I went to one of the things I did was go to this like secret meeting invite only called Putin Con, which was like 200 ft below the surface of Manhattan. And like when everyone there was like the like the FSB has already hacked all of our phones. And like, you know, and then but these people talking about how Putin works, right? And and the system and like I learned so much at Putin Con and in that whole investigation. And like one of the things became like to like what what Putin generally does, right?
2:23And his oligarchs is like they have a public game of like patriotism and rah-rah, but privately they are taking I forget the number, but it's like 5 to 10 billion dollars a month for 20 plus years just out of Russia. And then they want to park it somewhere where it can't be seized if Putin loses power. Don't worry about it.
2:42>> Yeah. So, they were parking it basically with blue-chip American companies.
2:45They're buying like Citibank stock and stuff, right? But through a network that's hard to follow, right? And so and for reasons that are complicated, you really can't move that amount of money out of Russia and just without the mob participating.
3:00The Russian mob? Yeah. So, you get in this like if you have a business that's going at all well in Russia, you're going to hear from your local mobster.
3:07You're going to cut them in and you're going to cut the intelligence agencies in. And like together they have this beautiful thing going. And like but so that's fine. But their money ends up at places like Apollo Global, right? And so like like our financial system, the global financial system used to be 1% offshore money and now it's 10% of all money is offshore money. That almost seems low, but it's crazy. It's a crazy number.
3:31>> you're raising money, if you're like a raising a fund, right? Like you can't ignore this money, right? This is where the big easy money is. This is where law firms get their money. Like this is important money. And then, you know, as I'm kind of going through this like Putin learning process, I was like, "Huh, it seems like that whole story is once you get this offshore money in big amounts, it kind of overlaps a lot with arms trade and with the drug trade and with BCCI and with like all this stuff you've been talking about.
3:58Once you get to that, you're like, "Oh my god, like this is this system kind of is our system."
4:04>> Yes. And so then I was like, all right, well, and then that scene story started popping up more and more interesting ways and I just like I I got to like I got to figure this out, right? I got to figure out how this ties to the NBA.
4:15Yeah, I actually saw I was looking at a date stamp right before you came here.
4:18The initial like first story you did on it before you went and did your series was 2 days after he was arrested. So you were on it Yeah.
4:26>> right away. I remember the day that he I mean I I said to him a friend of mine I And by the way, at that time everyone in my life was like, "What are you doing?"
4:37Like what You write about basketball.
4:39>> what are you doing? And um and also just like I mean a a bunch of people were like, "Are you going to get killed?" And I'm like, "I don't I don't think so. I think I would be like seventh on the list at the highest, you know, maybe much lower."
4:49>> Yeah.
4:49So uh but I was like, you know, if this is like if the world is as up as I think it might be, then Epstein's just going to die in custody, right? I said that to a friend. And then like I was waiting.
5:01My daughter was in a theatrical thing um Riverside Church in in Harlem. And uh and I was double parked outside the church waiting pick her up and um and then my friend calls me. He's like, "They killed him in prison." I'm like, "What?"
5:20Like I kind of just said that. You know what I mean? Like I didn't really believe that, you know, but I said that.
5:25I did say that. And then I was like, oh, that that day I was definitely like, like we need to understand what the [ __ ] is going on here. Like we do. We just do as humans. Like we just need to we got to get a handle on this.
5:36Hey guys, three quick things. Number one, if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. Huge huge help. Number two, if you'd like to join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes, you can join via the link in my description or in the pinned comment below. And number three, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make content from the show and make money, you can join via the Discord link in my description below. Can I actually go back a step to what you were saying at the beginning there though before we even get to Epstein cuz we're going to run through your investigation.
6:04We'll probably have to have Henry back cuz we ain't fitting this into 3 hours, but you know, when you talk about the leaps, correct leaps I might add, and that it's been proven that you made when you started looking at Prokhorov when he owned the Nets and getting around some of these other groups that you didn't even know existed to where you said money's going offshore, it's being laundered through the mob intelligence agencies and then goes to like legitimate places like Apollo Global and stuff like that, but you then tied it directly to these people who are doing arms deals and some of the things that, you know, people
6:40could get their their heads going like, "Oh my god, is this like the only money?"
6:43>> like the crazy ones. We do. Yeah. But it's like it's it's now been exposed in the emails that there's things I would have previously thought were a little crazy that it's like, "Well, this this isn't so crazy." But the guy Prokhorov Yeah.
6:56That was so cuz he was like a flash in the pan. It's funny you bring him up.
7:01Now you have, I believe, a Chinese billionaire who owns the Nets. So he sold to him a few years ago. But I remember this dude like coming up and he's like, "I met with Carmelo. I looked in his eyes and said, 'Come play for the Nets.'" And then he went to the Knicks.
7:16But like he was this flash bang like hand grenade into the NBA and then he was gone. Was there something behind the scenes there to where he got pushed out? Did that have anything to do with some of these groups you were looking at? There's so much behind the scenes with every oligarch, I think, really. Um Yeah. I mean, there's so much. I I There was the one thing that really blew my mind about how he exited the NBA, which was there was an executive from associated with him who was traveling China like looking to drum up, I heard, a deal to sell the Nets.
7:55Mhm. I was like, "Well, why do you care?
7:57Like, why do you Why do you care where the owner's from, right?" But the deal is like China's the country that Russia's scared of.
8:03So, like all the everyone in Putin's sphere is worried about having all their assets just taken by Putin, right? Like, he'll just he can he can un-oligarchy you anytime he wants, right? But the idea is like basically you might you cut a deal with someone who's holding it in China, then he can't touch it. It's safe there, right? Putin has no sway in this giant militarized country that he has like a 2,000-mile border with, right?
8:25So, the idea is like have someone who's ultimately protected by the Chinese government purchase it so that your purchase is secure. And then do you bank it in China?
8:33>> really understand what happens after that, but so I saw that report >> Interesting. and then I talked to everybody I knew involved and I was like, "Wait, did they like see he got a Chinese buyer?" And I was like, "No. No, I don't know why you'd say that." I'm like, "Are you sure? Cuz he found a Chinese buyer." You know, like that I don't >> That was interesting to me. I never really got to the bottom of it, but there's so much like there's a guy um Prokhorov before all of this um Prokhorov's like oligarch buddy who kind of like navigated the early The early days of oligarchy were like very dangerous, right? And
9:06and he was in the most dangerous businesses, right? Aluminum and nickels Mhm. and and he had a a Harvard-educated kind of Russian-American partner um who maybe got a little big for his britches and started cutting some big aggressive deals. And I deal was just supposed to kind of get permission from like the higher-ups before you go making these big deals, but he was kind of a Western mindset businessman and he started cutting these big deals and then just found his body in his vacation house.
9:34Like, dude was murdered. Yeah.
9:36And um That's a problem for Adam Silver.
9:39Yeah. Well, that was before. And then let's not forget Prokhorov first made news um not for anything to do with the NBA, but he was in the international headlines because he was accused by French authorities of trafficking a whole plane full of women that he was like bringing to the Alps to have a sex with all of his friends.
9:58And then, you know, and Prokhorov was like, "That's absurd. We are just partying together." Like, you know, but like he you know, they and they somehow got an apology or whatever, but like but you know Oh my god, are they all just sex traffickers, dude? Like what? Like how hard is it? You're a billionaire.
10:15You got to traffic with Like that's what I mean. It just seems like cowardly, you know, that so many of them are doing this stuff. I My take is so um Do you know Catherine Belton is?
10:26Doesn't ring a bell.
10:27>> her on this show.
10:27>> Okay. Catherine Belton is an absolute genius wizard hero. Like she wrote this book called Putin's People that's like she's at face-to-face with the oligarchs and like grilled them and she like knows her stuff and she didn't back down. Then they sued her in London because one part of her book they said was wrong.
10:45And her publisher had her back and they had a big thing and they had they changed like the most minor wording, but I'm like, "Okay, you guys, the oligarchs met and tried to figure out how to shut up Catherine and their biggest weak point in her book was like this page, right?" Meanwhile, other page of the book says, "Putin was involved in the cocaine trade." Like but they left That one alone. Yeah, they're like that that's okay.
11:09The CIA deal cocaine, too. Yeah, yeah.
11:12But her like in the end of her book there's a little part about like oligarchy has changed and like how the new oligarchs work. And her her thing is basically just compromat on everyone.
11:20Like you would don't get to be senior if you don't if you're not on video doing something terrible.
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12:56hello to long-lasting freshness. Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. So, to me this is probably why I don't even think like this sex trafficking I think is part of it. Just like look, if you want to you're trying to raise money for your business? Like, great. Come party with me in Alps.
13:11And if we end up with you on video, we might give you a loan.
13:14Right? But if we don't get you on video, we can't have you.
13:17>> you a loan. We can't We can't have you on your We're not interested in you in our portfolio if we don't have total control of you, right? We have to be able to end your career.
13:24Like those are the conditions.
13:26>> That's >> ass backwards thing ever. It's like be a horrible person and you win.
13:30Don't do it, you lose. So John Kiriakou was in this chair or was he in that chair? This chair?
13:35>> Yeah. And he was like, "Oh, I can't believe that they didn't notice this."
13:37I'm like, "No, I think you have to do that."
13:40It's not that like this wasn't a screw-up. You know what I mean? Like this is how you get in the club. It's a criminal organization and you don't get in by being like, "Oh, I'm good at business." You know, like like you get in by getting on video. And that's the other thing. I you know, these intelligence organizations, one thing that seems to be pretty clear is they are extremely good at psychological profiling. And I mean that for like their own people as well.
14:05And knowing John for a long time and knowing his stories and talking with him so much on air, off air, you know, he he got high up over there.
14:13Yeah. But it is so clear to me that they would have pegged him as, "Hey, he's he's a serious dude and he can accomplish serious missions.
14:26But there it we cannot bring his way cuz he'll never stand for it. That's why I've always I was always surprised that they tried to bring the enhanced interrogation to him." And of course he famously said off Yeah. right away. But like that's the lightest of what we're talking about here. Some of the other stuff I genuinely think he never saw cuz they wouldn't have brought a guy in like that. But the reality is all these intelligence organizations around the world, they have what are the definition of dark alliances. That's very, very strange. It's not okay. Like I mean well, I look, I'm not going to say I
15:00know how to run an intelligence organization. I'm just saying that like the stuff that we don't know is the stuff that you'd be like, "Oh yeah, that checks out." You know, like the stuff you'd be like, "Holy" I mean these stories like I this is definitely the part of the story I know the least about. But these like kind of increasingly convincing reports about like satanic rituals and ritual murders and stuff like Like what the I know. It's the darkest It's like if you put it in a movie they'd be like it's not believable.
15:25>> Exactly. It's too dark. Yeah, there's stuff that I have had since the January 30th drop and really going through those emails.
15:32There's some stuff that is still not proven, but the fact that now it's a possibility. Yeah.
15:37>> Number one, I have to say that's a possibility.
15:39And number two, you got to apologize to some people who were like, "Yo, some of this is real." And I'd be like, "Do we have evidence?" Well, now we got evidence.
15:46>> Yeah. You know, if there wasn't some before that I missed. And it's just I don't know. Like, what do you think it is that gets a fellow human being who most of these people are obviously wealthy, had access to education, you know, obviously like intelligent individuals that way. Not that that has anything to do with good or evil, but you would think there's some level of like, "Well, this seems crazy." Like, what do you think it is that gets someone to push themselves over that cliff to do not even necessarily the worst like that, but some of the stuff be it the sex trafficking or, you know, just
16:22total manipulation of and and abuse of minors and stuff.
16:28There's a lot. I think a lot goes into it. One I A long time ago a whole other life basically I taught sex ed. I taught like a Don't even get me wrong. I had to read a bunch of stuff on this, right? And like one of the things is that like pedophilia apparently there not a tremendous number of people who have like fantasies about sex with a child.
16:46Instead, what happens is a lot of people find adults troublesome.
16:49Right? Like you're in a equal power relationship and you have to kind of negotiate. It's a little bit of a dance.
16:55Like, do we get to have sex or not? Or do we get to do what I want to do or you want to do? But the people who end up with children are that power hungry, right? They're the ones who like can't stand guff, right? And this is exactly how the stories are, right? Like, the anecdotes in the reports are like, you know, "I said give me a blow job and you didn't and so I'm going to slap you, right?" Like, um so to me I think a lot of it is like these are blatantly power hungry people, right? They just can't fathom any any any sort of slowing down on the road from here to what they want, right?
17:23Whether that's sex or a certain meal or to be on this vacation or whatever, right? They're just like private jets everywhere. We're just going no delays.
17:31And so I think that's a big part of it, but then also like a a huge huge factor in who's a pedophile is people who were victimized as children.
17:40And so in some of these cases, I think it's just there's like these This is where it's kind of the European part of the story, I think, where there's like I do think there are these like you know, um did Where did I see somebody rolled through just like all of the pedophiles who were around the royal family? Like it's just the ones that we know about is a lot. It's a lot. So what's going on there? Like I think what's going on there is that it's absolutely the furthest thing from meritocracy. Your greatest fear in the world is that you would just like open the doors and everyone compete for the job, right? So you have to have, you
18:14know, somebody won the right to run the monarchy a gazillion years ago, and they're trying to pass that down through generations that have no business. Like they're just not worthy. Right. So like how do you keep that thing that power structure together? And I think they've been using pedophilia as like a repeated generational tool, and it works because if you abuse this one, then that one becomes an abuser. It's like it's so sick, but I think that and some of these people I think are coming from that, right? There's just so many stories of f'd up childhoods among these people.
18:47And then I guess there's I mean we know the CIA's done a lot of research and for every intel on, you know, how to get people to do what you want, and this is one of the tools that they know about, right? So presumably that's another driver.
19:01Yeah. No, I I I think everything you say there is is not crazy, unfortunately. And I I I think there's something to it, and you know, we have to now open our minds to some of these possibilities within power structures and it's not to say therefore everyone who's associated with this this or that is therefore guilty, but the air of suspicion around how things work needs to be very very strong moving forward from society because now we we've seen some sort of lens into it, but the the other part with with with the oligarchs that you were talking about with how they would get the money offshore. I'm just
19:43knowing the investigation you ended up doing with Epstein that we're going to talk about in a few minutes. Obviously, you were able to tie a lot of this together and my my guy Alessio Alemanno who Deef was telling you about earlier who did the documentaries like, you know, I turned him on to your work like 3 4 years ago and that's what he was blown away with. He's like, Henry just was able to tie these different institutions and where the money's flowing and all that. So obviously, you got a baseline of that from working these other stories.
20:12Can you give me, you know, without I guess the confidential details or whatever, can you give me some examples of like how that would happen when you describe the money would be moved from the oligarchs through the Russian mob through intelligence agencies, through like Apollo? Can you just give like an example of that so we have a baseline?
20:34Yeah.
20:36Um Well, what I really well-documented version of this is like Panama in the heyday of like cocaine, right? So they would literally collect money. They had a system of like you know, they'd sell cocaine all over North America and there'd be like a married couple that lives in a house with a fence and like and then, you know, all the people would drop off their money at that house and they'd accrue it in the garage and then they'd purchased I forget the name of it, but like one of these like freight companies.
21:06Um they purchased a the the drug dealers owned one of America's big freight companies and they would like load up all this money, they take it to some airline that I think they also invested in. Like I was like Eastern Airlines is one of them and then fly it all to Panama. And then when the money lands at Panama, there's like a a branch of practically every major global bank right there near the airport. So the Panamanian army protects the money that goes right to like whichever bank you prefer and then it's like boom, now it's in Citibank.
21:39Right? Now it's in like whatever major institution, right? And then later we learned that the CIA like you know, we're they were meeting with the people involved all the time, right?
21:49So I had someone sitting in the chair who did that. Yeah, see there you go.
21:53There you go.
21:54Um, so there's that version of it. Okay, and then in Russia it's a little different where you know, basically your um, you're an oligarch and you've given given the right to purchase like in Prokhorov's case a giant I think it's like the biggest nickel company in the world, Norilsk Nickel for a fraction of what it's worth. Then you take it over, you start running it and you just start throwing off all these profits and then I don't know what his banking habit was. I mean he ran a bank before so he would probably have pretty good bank ties, but you could go to Deutsche Bank, certainly. You could
22:24walk into the Moscow office and say, "Hey man, I got like quite a lot of money that I'd rather have in another country." There are all these rules preventing this, but you could do they got in trouble for this thing called mirror trades where um, basically you'd go in, let's say you you go into the Deutsche I think I have this right. You go into the Deutsche Bank office and say, "I own, you know, 500,000 shares of this Russian company um, that trades on uh, the stock exchange and I'm I'm all these facts are probably wrong. Trades in on a stock exchange somewhere else in Europe and say say say you'd like
22:58sell them um, in Moscow meanwhile in in another city, uh the another person from the same bank would purchase an equivalent amount of stock at the same price.
23:10And so, like because the bank trust each other, like you really have just moved a whole crap ton of money out of Russia.
23:18And like people went to prison for this.
23:19Like this was like a known thing that these global banks were facilitating.
23:23There's a million others. Actually, this book uh Moneyland by Oliver Bullough is like Money, I haven't heard of that one.
23:29>> Oh, it's good, man. It's good.
23:31Basically, you move the money into moneyland. It's not in a country anymore. It just goes to moneyland.
23:36Yeah.
23:37There it is. Yeah, that's a really good one.
23:39>> Shout out Oliver Bullough, you said? I think it's Bullough. I think it's a He lives in London. He's a great guy.
23:45>> story of the crooks and kleptocrats who rule the world. And he wrote this in 2019. Something tells me this is going to be like a harbinger of what was to come in a way.
23:56>> Yeah.
23:57Wow. He was a big like there's several others, but like he was one of the people who was like really like made me kind of understand better. Like I I dare anyone to read that book and say that he's like a crazy person makes stuff up. Like he's like very sober and evidence-based.
24:12>> that's what I liked about you, too, because when I was reading this, it was funny. Like you'd be writing this amazing thing, but then you'd be having a conversation with the reader like, "I know this sounds crazy, but please look at this source here. Look at this source here. Look at this source." And then I'd back to and I and I'd go look at it. I'm like, "God damn, no. He ain't [ __ ] kidding, bro."
24:31It's backed up like four layers.
24:35Damn. Well, thank you for being a careful reader. I feel like the most A lot of people are just like, "I don't know. I don't know, man. That sounds crazy." Like, you know, I just It tells It just sounds crazy. Like and mostly I I'm an anti-conspiracy theorist. Like I am. Like I Most of my career, I'm just like People would call me with like, "You're not going to believe." Well, I'm like, "Guess what? I don't think so."
24:53Like I just don't buy it. Like This This this the only story I've ever encountered but it's like no, the crazy version is the true version. Like what the Yeah, all of all of us classically trained conspiracy theorists, as my friend Mark Gagnon says, start as full anti-conspiracy theorists and then something happens and we're like, wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait, where's that going? Holy [ __ ] But you actually might My friend David Satter, I had him in for episodes 92 and 133. He is He became the chief the bureau chief for the Financial Times in the Soviet Union in 1976.
25:29>> He did?
25:30>> Yeah. Okay, so you're familiar. Oh, with the the apartment bombings? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:35>> Oh, yeah. Dude, that's an eye-opener.
25:37Yeah, so he that Talk about an eye-opener. But he actually there was a connection to you with him because when I had him in, I was reading one of his books afterwards and he casually mentions this one-day war that happened. It was I I keep forgetting I've told this on camera like three, four times. I keep forgetting to go re-look this up to make sure I get it all right, but it's it happened in like Dagestan or something like that and I want to say 1999 when Putin was consolidating power and basically some version of the Russian army or something flew in for an hour, shot a few things, dropped a few
26:15bombs and then flew out and they were going to come back, but there was this negotiation that was Yeah, I think Dave saw it right here. The August-September 1999 invasion of Dagestan by Chechen-based militants led by Shamil Basayev and Ibn al-Khattab triggered the second Chechen War. So, that might not be the same one because this one like they were able to pull it back, whereas the Chechen Wars lasted a while, but it was Dagestan and essentially the way that this one was cooled down was once they pulled out, there was some sort of meeting that was negotiated with Russian leadership and then the the factions as well, where
26:51they went to I believe it was Nice, France and he very casually put to attend a meeting of the minds at Adnan Khashoggi's house. And I was like, it was like the Leo meme. I'm like, "Wait a minute. Wait, that's the guy.
27:06That's the guy." And I found out about him from your report. So, let's get into it now. Let's let let's do it cuz like you were revolutionizing some of these people that now everyone talks about that they weren't back in the day. So, you as we said start this with "I'm going to find a connection between Epstein and Apollo." And then it goes kaboom. So, it just take me to day one after you mentioned where you were when Epstein died and you really started going after this, but like when did you realize, "Oh my god, this is way more than I was looking at?" I mean, definitely an early concern of mine was this guy AB
27:43Krongard.
27:45Buzzy. Buzzy. And I'm still blown away.
27:47Like I feel like his name should be in everybody's coverage of the Epstein story all the time. Agreed. And I can't even probably remember off top of my head all of the ties here, but let's just to the best of our ability, 100% this guy is a CIA guy.
28:04And we know that he became later in his career he was appointed as the number three, like the executive director of the CIA and oversaw like the rendition program.
28:14And and then he was the person who like gave all the deals to Blackwater.
28:19And then Blackwater put him on the board. Then he was got in trouble with Congress cuz like the inspector general who investigated to see if it was crooked was his brother.
28:28His Buzzy's brother's nickname is Cookie and like they put Cookie on the stand to like testify that his brother had nothing to do with Blackwater and then they figured out during the course of the meeting his brother had been at Blackwater's annual meeting as a board member. Anyway, You know Eric Prince is sitting in that chair. Oh my god.
28:47He's one of the He didn't didn't know any of this stuff, but He's one of the scariest out there. He Well, don't get me started.
28:54Um So, um but this guy, Buzzy, who was definitely in the CIA, um and later was on the Apollo board, before all that was the banker who took Microsoft public.
29:06>> Mhm. Like, he's literally the man who like made Bill Gates rich, who made Steve Ballmer rich, who made Paul Allen rich, and a bunch of other companies, too, or went went other IPOs through his company.
29:20So, and there's another banker who was like, "Hey, during that period, he tried to recruit me to the CIA."
29:26So, I'm like, okay, so I have to believe the most likely thing is that this guy's been in the CIA since college. There's some evidence of that.
29:34Um he kind of had some Nixon ties and stuff early, but so, that means Microsoft went public via CIA.
29:45And it also means that when Apollo Global, um when Leon Black was paying Epstein, Apollo Global had a CIA person on the board, right? Um and later they had Jay Clayton who um had been a partner at at Sullivan & Cromwell, which is kind of like notoriously the CIA's law office.
30:04>> the the Dulles's old law firm.
30:06>> Exactly right.
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31:43way to just tell myself there's nothing going on here.
31:46When like this guy is in the middle of it all. So, then I tried to like figure out like what in the middle of what?
31:51Yeah.
31:53That's we're still doing that, you know.
31:55Still not totally didn't nail that. You never get it fully untangled. No. You never get it fully untangled. But so, you were you were essentially, again, starting with the ownership and then almost I'm trying to picture you doing this. You're like, okay, let's draw Apollo Global here in the middle, Epstein right here in the middle with them. We'll leave Epstein right there. And you're like, okay, who are the people on their board?
32:18Ooh, Barry Cron guard, who's he? And then you're going like this Yeah. and creating all these new decision trees of like, oh, he's connected to this guy and that guy.
32:26How do you then how do you put that all together and bring that back to Epstein? Well, so pretty quickly, I'm trying to remember this time, too. Um it got to Michael Milken and Drexel Burnham Lambert. Oh. It was like a really >> Please explain this to people.
32:40Okay. So, everybody at Apollo like Apollo was born out of the explosion of Drexel Burnham Lambert. So, it's like it's not you don't have to take my word for it that this is a continuation of that. Um So, Michael Milken was a trader at a big you know, Drexel Burnham Lambert is a big New York City based uh investment bank, I guess. And but some for some reason he convinced them that he should move his operation to Beverly Hills.
33:10Weird. Um and then they brought in like a bunch of billionaires who had felt rejected by the other banks. Right? So, they had like questionable money. Some of them kind of blatantly had mob ties. Some of them were, you know, um uh we should talk about Ivan Boesky.
33:31Let's not forget that. Ivan Boesky is very important. Um We'll pull up his wiki.
33:35Uh we'll say that right now. Ivan Boesky is a great example. Ivan Boesky talked to Michael Milken every day. They would get up Michael Milken got up early and they talked every day.
33:44Um >> Yeah, it's also kind of By the way, like you say the Beverly Hills thing is nuts.
33:49Like why would you do that? It's also not to say there aren't some big asset management firms like I believe PIMCO and some other ones that are based out of the West Coast, but you got to remember market opens here in the in the US at 9:30 Eastern. So, these guys, you know, you're 3 hours behind out there and you're in an industry that's like you're supposed to be getting ready for the market at 7:00 a.m. They're getting ready at 4:00 a.m. You know, it's it doesn't make sense.
34:11>> But there are the headquarters of giant arms companies and there are lots of beautiful women.
34:15Well, And they had they would have these parties at >> took a header last year? Yeah, he did.
34:22Yeah.
34:23So, okay. This guy This is every single rocky turnover has like more interesting things. But okay, so Ivan Boesky was about as close as anyone got to Michael Milken and he was a funnel he had a bunch of money from before which was very very eyebrow-raising how he got rich but he was from I don't think it would be as much to say possibly a mob family in the Midwest.
34:46His dad owned like strip clubs.
34:48Right.
34:49>> Then he went to college and he I don't think I think it's this is interesting.
34:54I think it's been removed from Wikipedia but after college he went to Iran because he had a great Iranian friend um from from high school.
35:05I think from high school. And he lived in >> in the 60s? Yeah, I think so.
35:10Um he lived in Iran for a while and then he came back and then um he got a a pretty nice job in New York for the Rothschilds.
35:21>> Yeah, LF Rothschild. There it is.
35:23I don't think he ever graduated from college but the Rothschilds were like oh he seems like a great guy. Listen, they're really good at spotting talent So then he has all this money that from all these crazy investments he makes. Oh, did you see this by the way, Henry? Like You're spot-on. Although he lacked an undergraduate degree, he was admitted to Detroit College of Law now Michigan State University of Law and graduated from what How do you Yeah. You don't get a law Maybe you do and I'm like [ __ ] up right now but I'm not aware of anybody else doing that. And I understand he also maybe it says here but he would get
35:59he gave a bunch of money to Harvard later He knew how to pick them. He had the ability to say something that Harvardy that sounded like maybe he went to Harvard when he like he didn't go to any of those schools. Yeah.
36:10>> Um But so then he like Well, so he has all these Iranian connections, Iranian and it's a ton of unexplained money. Okay, then I've not looked into this but Whitney Webb who I think I think as far as I can tell she's a genius. Like maybe there's I haven't gone I haven't It's hard to verify almost anything she says, but I think she's dead on. But she's like, "Oh, well the CIA was moving all this money through Iran, especially after Iran contra." There's also a bunch of like That's later, but yeah.
36:37>> Reports have like Ari Ben-Menashe like was saying that basically like the Israelis lost money and they ended up bringing it through Iran. So like Anyway, a whole bunch of money came from Iran from this guy Mhm.
36:47>> into Michael Milken's big pot of investor money.
36:51Um Interesting. Um so then But then they started this thing. Leon Black was a young employee there. He was kind of seen as a ne'er-do-well ne'er-do-well. Well, he would like party, you know, they'd yell at him.
37:03He'd come in late.
37:04Um there were the prostitutes in the office and stuff. And um but his dad Yeah. had friends who were all investors in Drexel Burnham Lambert.
37:16His dad, Eli Black, had purchased United Fruit, which was like famously the CIA company, and then jumped or was pushed from the I think the 44th floor of what was then called the Pan Am building.
37:28>> Pan Am building. What is it now? It's called >> I think he did jump. I think he had really [ __ ] up. That's one I actually think he I mean I mean maybe he was pushed. Maybe.
37:37>> rule it out. I don't know. He's not Well, he didn't It didn't turn out well.
37:39It did not turn out well.
37:40>> Yeah. Yeah. It's the MetLife building.
37:42It's the MetLife building.
37:43>> it's MetLife, but it was the Pan Am building at the time. Yeah.
37:47Um Do you guys like I walked there every day.
37:51Well, look up, you know.
37:56So Black I didn't know that though. Leon Black was a ne'er-do-well considered like a little bit of a [ __ ] up. Yeah, he was a little bit of a [ __ ] up. And somehow like that guy I think it's James Jesse Kornbluth, the journalist who's written a lot. Jesse Kornbluth wrote this thing that I think everyone should think about more, which is that according to him Epstein targeted Leon Black like back then. He was like courting Leon Black. There was something about Leon Black that was especially attractive to Epstein back then. I guess it would be the '80s. Yeah, I got to guess.
38:25Um So, then Milken was He was like the junk bonds guy, right?
38:33>> Well, that's what they say. He was a junk bonds guy, but like it's a people on Wall Street that wasn't really his defining thing. His defining thing was that they pulled together these like rogue billionaires or and and then Leon Black invented this thing called the highly confident letter.
38:48So, basically They would They would write a letter to like Pan Am and say, "Hey, you know, we have enough money to take over like, you know, they would purchase however a corporate raider stuff. Yeah, corporate raider stuff. And Pan Am would be like, "Well, I don't think you have that much money." So, they would get rather than some laborious process of like putting all the money into my account, they would Leon Black invented like, "Well, we just We have a bunch of billionaires and we might be able to get it from any one of them. And so, we're just going to write a letter that we're highly confident we
39:14can get the money." And it worked. So, then they started writing these highly confident letters and like taking over a whole bunch of big businesses, right?
39:22>> a bank with a note.
39:23>> It's like robbing a bank with a note.
39:25And then you once you get control, I think this is an important part of the story is like it's one thing to be an investor. Let's say you're You got some Let you know, let's say you are Israeli intelligence and you really do have some money that you're worried someone's going to take from you. So, you're going to give it to somebody, maybe Epstein or Milken, and he's going to give it to Michael Milken, and then he's going to invest it in something that has a CEO. And like you might feel like you don't have a lot of control over that money at that point, right? But two ways that can get way better for you. One is if you get
39:55control of the end company cuz you didn't just buy 20% of it, but you bought 51% of it. Now you're in a lot stronger position. But two is if all those people um along the way are on video doing terrible things.
40:10Right? Like that's another way to make sure that no one's going to steal your money in the end, right? Just like, "Hey guys, are we all good here? Are we all No one's going to, you know, Um so I think something like that. I You know, I'm not sure I described it chain of custody perfect, but I think like roughly those elements seem to be together. And then once you have that group of people with a lot of money and all on video doing terrible things, um well, now we don't just have to limit ourselves to buying like publicly traded American stock, right? Like that same crew is ready to go. Like you can
40:42get into any industry in the world. And you're kind of advantaged in that you're like kind of locked together in this way. I might be overthinking this, but in the process of basically like schlossing the money around, are they also creating effectively like shell companies to do this?
41:00>> tons. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
41:03Hey guys, if you haven't already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It's a huge, huge help. Thank you.
41:09And I'll tell you, okay, this is Larry, you know, so like, well, why wouldn't you have drug money in this mix, right?
41:14>> Right. It's one of the biggest industries in the world. And drug dealers very much would like to get their money in. And like and that was another That's another big moment for me was like the Church Committee. John Kerry, when he was like a young newly elected official, ran this committee that Wait, John Kerry was on the Church Committee?
41:33>> I think I'm totally lying. I think that >> That's all right.
41:35>> The Church Committee was before, I think. The John Kerry ran the committee that looked into the cocaine trade in the early '80s.
41:41And they like >> himself.
41:45Um but he had this guy Millian Rodriguez, who was an accountant for the mob who got busted. And Millian Rodriguez like sat in that chair, you can read all testimony online, and they just like he's like, here's how it works. Um, you know, and and you know, we we like we have we have invested in like every blue chip thing you can imagine. It's like, you know, the most mom-and-pop apple pie American stuff like we own, right? And he's like, you guys think you busted somebody and like you you got a guy whose Spanish is his first language, and you think you got it cleaned up. Now he's like, let me tell the people coming
42:12after me. Like they all went to Harvard.
42:14And they're like, you know, super buttoned-up and like this money's not going to stop him, right? So I think he kind of That's what happened, right?
42:21He's like >> Well, at least they're putting it back into the American economy. I can appreciate that. There you go. That's the win. Jesus Christ. What was the guy's name, the accountant? Milian Rodriguez.
42:30>> Milian Rodriguez. So yeah, you mentioned it though, the Church Committee was in the '70s, so I guess what you're talking about is like the early '80s or something with with Kerry, but it's it's similar. It's interesting though with the Church Committee, Frank Church, I want to say his first name was Frank. He put that together and then he was primary.
42:49Yeah, that's how that goes. Yeah. Nobody likes that guy. Very, very fascinating, right? Nobody likes that guy.
42:54>> find something Dief with this dude?
42:57Yeah, it was Frank Church. I'm trying to find Milian.
43:00It's It's like m i l i a n.
43:03And then maybe John Kerry. I think you can find on true, probably. But you said he was an accountant for the mob?
43:08>> Yeah. So they obviously had him in the Cali cartel and he like flipped as a witness kind He like I think that he was like getting into his plane. He He liked to fly around. He lived in South Florida and he was getting his plane and they like arrested him and there was like pounds of cocaine in the plane. So then So they did like the Frank Pantano talk, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got you.
43:27Okay. I haven't heard of that one.
43:29That's interesting.
43:30We'll see if we can find it. That's a little bit of a I want to make it hard for Dief, you know? A what?
43:35>> to make it hard for Dief. I want to make him work.
43:36>> He's If it's out there, he'll find it.
43:39>> Okay, good. I The first podcast we did he got it already. [ __ ] unreal. The first podcast we went to do where Dief was taking over the seat, we had Mike Benz in here, who's like a document dump kind of guy. And before we start, Benz go like like looks at me and and I'm explaining what I explained to you where I'm like, "Hey, Dief can pull up anything and you know, on the screen."
44:01He's like, "Okay, great." And then and then he literally goes like this and he goes, turns to Dief, he's like, "Oh my god, I just want to apologize before we start.
44:11When I was on Joe Rogan last month, you know, they were like, 'Dude, you asked for too many links, so just if it's too much, whatever.' And Dave's like, 'No, we're we're good. We got it.' And I'm like, "We're so fucked." This is his first podcast? Every [ __ ] I was like half the time I'm like looking over here.
44:26And then the podcast finish up and Mike Benz went over and shook his hand first.
44:29Nice. He's like, "That was amazing."
44:31That's got to be a good day for you.
44:35But all right, we got it. So this is from Yeah, July 22nd, 1987. Drug trafficker testifies before Senate Committee on What was that title, Dave? Sorry. Go.
44:45On CIA Nicaraguan Contra involvement in in drug trade.
44:49Oh, so Henry, this might have been Maybe I'm [ __ ] up the timeline, but this might have been when they did the official special prosecutor related to Contra.
44:59Remember that? Cuz some of that overlapped with when Reagan had left office. I just don't know how long it went.
45:05>> like a podcast >> Yeah. Yeah, there was a podcast done by What Oh my god, what's it? Serial or something like that? Like one of those where they do the series. Yeah. I listened to a few years ago and they were explaining this whole thing. But yeah, in late June, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee went into a secret two-day session to take testimony from Cuban-American Ramon Milan Rodriguez.
45:25He's currently serving a 35-year sentence in a federal prison, reportedly in North Carolina.
45:31And it goes through who's interviewed.
45:33Milan Rodriguez said he was one of the supervisors of money laundering for the Ochoa Escobar cocaine cartel in Colombia handling up to 200 million a month. On camera, he stated that he had been asked to launder through a Miami company cocaine money destined for the Contras.
45:52Wow.
45:53Wow. Later, Milan Rodriguez told the Senate Committee that the contact was Felix Rodriguez.
46:00Why does he always come up, Dave? He's he comes up on every podcast. Rodriguez, Bay of Bay of Pigs veteran, had long been associated with CIA counterinsurgency projects. Most recently, he was assigned to the Ilopango airbase in El Salvador to supervise air supply drops to the Contras. Wow.
46:18So, they're just It's all tied together.
46:21I mean, yeah. It's crazy. So, Drexel Burnham Lambert, you hinted at this earlier. It blew up.
46:29Blew up. On Black Monday, effectively, and then like thereafter because now that had to do with the junk bonds, right?
46:36Yeah, it was Giuliani.
46:39Giuliani went after Michael Milken.
46:43And I don't remember exactly even what they got him on, but the part that interested me was there's a thing I haven't really written about. It's too confusing, but um so, they owned, you know, Drexel owned tons of bonds and tons of different things, and a lot of it really was garbage.
47:01But, some of it was super valuable. And so, um you know, they were forced to liquidate all this stuff, and Milken goes to prison, and everyone's out of a job. Um and then uh this French bank, Credit Lyonnais, which super associated with Robert Maxwell, probably it seems to be one of the places that like this, you know, this big ball of offshore untrackable money was like an early beachhead of it was Credit Lyonnais. Um According to the video that used to be on the Apollo Global website, it's Leon Black saying, "I guys got a call out of the blue from these guys in France. They wanted to give us $4 billion. And so, I
47:34flew over there and said, 'No, you have to give me $8 billion.'" Like, and that's how >> that call. Yeah. I want that call.
47:39>> That's how Apollo was founded. And then, what they don't put on the video on the Apollo website is that in the aftermath, they basically snapped up a lot of the assets that um Milken used to own.
47:54Because Leon Black knew kind of which ones were the good ones.
47:57>> Right, so he bought them low. But it but then they got there was like a massive investigation of whatever happened there and like and he was maybe going to get in real trouble and I can find it. I have some notes on somewhere but like but the people who were the investigators of that and this is back at the founding of Apollo were like like they're they're livid still.
48:17Right? Like they were like like they got they found bad evidence of bad stuff happening. They did not get to seek justice. Are you getting at like some sort of insider trading type stuff or worse?
48:29>> even know. It was more just like there's all these arcane rules around like you know what you have to disclose in the investment community and all well I my eyes like gloss over at that part.
48:40That's where the part I'm like I'm a basketball writer.
48:45I don't know what you guys you're talking about but boy these people sure are mad.
48:54Yeah, I wonder what it could be cuz bonds get weird because it's you know there's all different types of them but a lot of times you're buying like local bonds for counties and cities and stuff or you're buying federal bonds for governments and I don't I don't know. I was never cuz I worked on Wall Street for 4 years and I I knew about insider trader cases and things like that that were happening with equities but I never did bonds was such a weird world cuz it's so boring to your point that most people are just like what are we doing here? And that I can imagine there's all kinds of shady [ __ ]
49:32I think honestly think this is where this is the worst. This is my memory from years ago on a topic about which I'm a complete buffoon but I sort of have a feeling it might have been something like as they liquidated um Direxion they said that these things were worth nothing. Mhm. And then they went and bought them up cuz Leon knew they weren't worth nothing. I think it might have been something like that. Um >> Almost like he had a source.
49:58Yeah. Yeah. Someone that knew something.
50:00I I do wonder about that because Milken's still a billionaire today. He did like three or four years in prison, you know, does worldwide speaking tours and everything. So it worked out for him. But I do wonder about the whole sacrificial lamb aspect to where it's like, "Ooh, we got a lot of things that we can work with here, but there's too much attention on this. So this is the guy everyone knows. Let's give him up."
50:24You get too hot and then you're no longer useful. Yeah. Almost like they did Epstein, by the way. Yeah. Yeah.
50:29>> there it's like, "Okay, so who are the who are the breadcrumbs behind that?" So you correctly point out that Credit Lyonnais Lyonnais, is that how you say it? I think the S is silent at the end of the French word. Yeah. Very I'm I don't have a good ear for French, but Credit Lyonnais, correct me in the comments.
50:46They call him up out of the blue and say, "We'll give you $4 billion." or something like that.
50:51And you mentioned that they were connected to Max Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine's father. So he had been doing his banking there for his companies for years?
51:01So it's very confusing what he was doing, but I think it that started to make sense for me when um I read I want to say Craig Unger. Have you read any Craig Unger? Craig Unger is a baller. Like he's a no-joke journalist. He's written about a lot of the stuff that's in and around the story, but I think it was Craig Unger who had a story about Robert Maxwell helping Russian like the KGB basically was like the the Soviet Union's going to break up. Mhm. And we don't like we might lose the nation, but we don't want to lose the KGB. So we're going to offshore all this money, put it aside, keep it safe, and then Russia can
51:40do whatever it does, and then we'll bring the money back. And Robert Maxwell apparently created like 600 companies to like hold all this money outside of Russia, outside of the Soviet Union, right? And so, I think about that. Um And now, during the same period when Credit Lyonnais was lending out all this money in a crazy way uh to Apollo, they were also lending it to other companies.
52:03Um Adidas was one.
52:06Um but the biggest creditor was was Robert Maxwell. And another one was Steve [ __ ] Bannon. Steve Bannon got Credit Lyonnais money and moved his investment operation to Beverly Hills during the same period.
52:20And Imagine that.
52:22>> I know. And then, you know, finally the investigator took a while, but the investigators were like, you know, we got to look into this Credit Lyonnais thing. And then, the beautiful, giant, old, like revered building in the middle of Paris that was the headquarters of Credit Lyonnais just burned to the ground right before the investigators were going to knock on the door.
52:39And so, we'll never going to know what happened to Credit Lyonnais.
52:45Was there a good investigation into that burning?
52:47I don't think there was. There were People did go to prison. Like not for the burning, but for running Credit Lyonnais in a fraudulent way. Like people that the executives did get in trouble. But, $20 billion was never found it.
53:00Just went missing.
53:01>> Woah.
53:01>> Yeah. Fire ravages French bank headquarters May 5th, 1996.
53:08Remember, remember the 5th of November.
53:14Fire swept through the headquarters of France's beleaguered Credit Lyonnais. It was already beleaguered, too. Funny.
53:21Credit Lyonnais's bank sat Sunday injuring at least 23 people, most of them firefighters. The blaze began in the computer room at around 8:30. Hard drives do burn very effectively. I've heard that.
53:32>> Okay. 8:30 a.m. and about 300 firefighters had it under control 9 hours later.
53:39Wow. And so, did this end the bank?
53:42Were they done after that? I think so.
53:44We should double check that, but >> Yeah, let's check that. I I should uh Credit Lyonnais history cuz they still had even with the fire I imagine they still had assets so someone had to buy them up like they bought up like Barclays bought up Bear Stearns.
54:01Was that it?
54:02>> JP Morgan bought Bear Stearns. JP Morgan bought up Bear Stearns. Barclays bought up Lehman Brothers. They left >> like you said. Yep.
54:10Credit Lyonnais did not technically go out of business but was acquired and absorbed by Credit Agricole in 2003 following severe financial distress in the early 90s.
54:20The bank was rebranded as LCL in 2005 which continues to operate a subsidiary of Credit Agricole Group. This is another way that things get lost to history and rewritten. It's so simple but just name changes.
54:33>> Totally. You know, like people don't think about where stuff comes from like you can follow the Rockefellers back and realize like oh, JP Morgan Chase. It's got JP Morgan in there but it doesn't have Rockefeller in there.
54:45You know what I mean? But they David Rockefeller was like a guy who made them a powerhouse when it was I forget what it was called but it was called something else in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, and 70s. So when Buzzy, our CIA guy, was running a bank that the one that took Microsoft public it was called Alex Brown.
55:02Weird name. It was like Alex dot space Brown. I don't know why it's that way but that's how it is. And um and then things got real confusing and kind of involved Russia but then they sold it to Bankers Trust.
55:14Um and then Bankers Trust immediately became like a giant scandal that is not well told but that involved Russia for sure. And then Bankers Trust quickly became Deutsche Bank.
55:26Um which created this um acronym DBAB which is Deutsche Um what is it? DB Uh That doesn't make sense. Um made a little acronym of like the new This is the new part of Deutsche Bank that used to be Bankers Trust. And um if you search that in the Epstein files, like that's where Epstein banked. Like that's that's that's like that's on files of Epstein banking transactions.
55:56Um right now.
55:58Like this is where they banked.
56:00So part of me is like, I don't know what that means. I don't know. Does that mean the money we know about? Yeah. Yeah.
56:06Yeah.
56:06But definitely like those bankers were the ones that he had emailed with a lot, and that's where he got uh power of attorney over Leon Black's accounts.
56:15Right? It's in like this little Wait, he got power of attorney over those? I don't remember that.
56:21>> So he had, you know, kind of blanket power of attorney for Leslie Wexner.
56:26Yes. But only from this most recent file dump did we learn that there's like emails from these Deutsche Bank bankers, and they're basically saying like you know, the paperwork is in like, you know, so that Jeffrey Epstein now has authority to trade on behalf of Leon Black.
56:42Through Deutsche Bank.
56:45I I think you're spot-on with what you said earlier. It's the compromatted look for the compromat on the compromatee.
56:54And they just create a line, and Jeffrey Epstein's like, he looks like a diddler.
56:59All right.
57:00Got him.
57:01That toupee ain't passing in 1979.
57:05I do want to play with Leon Black's toupee, like toss it around, but that's uh Wow.
57:11>> learned a scandalous thing today that seems like something I should have known before, but apparently the redactions are not so great in some of the horrible pictures, which I frankly haven't looked up very much. But um but apparently the Leon Black's penis is in is unredacted.
57:24>> I didn't want to know that.
57:25Those are the facts, man. I don't I don't want to see that.
57:28He is accused, and I have to say accused of some heinous things. I mean stuff that like just awful awful things, man. He's the proof that the the justice system is not working. Yes.
57:48Right? Like the fact that he hasn't been touched. I mean he paid like 61 and a half million dollars to the Virgin Islands for something. For something.
57:57>> You know, they investigated a bunch, hauled him in, settled.
58:00Um but yeah, I mean he's got all the he checks every box of badness, right?
58:06>> Yeah. Um funding Epstein's operation, credibly accused by multiple accusers.
58:12How about paying him a hundred seventy million dollars over five years for estate planning. Now, Leon Black today is worth 13.3 billion. Yeah, he's worth a lot of money.
58:27There is no one on earth, maybe with the exception of Saudi oil guys, Vladimir Putin, and Elon Musk, who should ever be paying someone a hundred seventy million dollars for estate planning. Not There's no one on earth. I don't care how rich you are, right? Like what the [ __ ] is that? Have we ever traced what that really is?
58:48Um Oh, it's this one.
58:52What did you pull up, Dave? You want to pull your mic in?
58:56Dave's just [ __ ] rolling over here.
58:58>> Yeah, he's doing a whole investigation.
58:59I was going to look up those uh Deutsche Bank emails to see if I could find them, but instead I found this. This is a list of companies that they're requesting to close on July 8th, 2019.
59:11And you got some Epstein shells in there. Wait a second. Who's request Go up. Who's Someone named Kimberly Hart. Kimberly Hart to Stuart Oldfield. Stuart Oldfield is a Deutsche Deutsche banker. Okay.
59:26>> Mhm. There you go. You're on it. So, CC Andrew Gallivan, Don Forbes, Daphne Kells who may be their Deutsche Bank too. I don't know.
59:35And then so Darren Indyke was his attorney I believe. And then >> urgent need to close accounts ASAP.
59:42Please pri- And that's a day after he's arrested, right?
59:45Can we check that? He was arrested I want to say like July 7th.
59:51I hope I'm not making that up. What day was he >> Well, this is a fast >> July 6th, 2019.
59:56>> 2019. July 6th. So, 2 days after he >> a fast So, this is this is probably like Deutsche Bank PR coming along with like you guys. Get this [ __ ] off the balance sheet. What are these JSC Interiors? That's what I would name a shell company. LSJE LLC.
60:12Wait. LSJE JE Jeffrey Epstein.
60:18LS Short for Leslie?
60:23Seems like it's got to be someone with an S last name. Well, or it could be like LS like Leslie. I don't know. I'm just speculating people. I'm with you.
60:31Mort Inc. Neptune LLC, NES LLC. There it is. Zoro Management, Zoro Management LLC referring to Zoro Ranch.
60:41Wow.
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