0:04Oh, and Benjamin, thank you for doing this. Thank you for coming all this way.
0:07I've interviewed I don't know how many people who've been cancelled. I had a whole franchise interviewing people who've been cancelled. Um, kind of over it except in your case. You have the most amazing cancellation story. Both because you were, I think, the really the first big name, the first blue check on Twitter to get kicked off Twitter, but also because of what happened after.
0:26So, I know this is probably tedious for you, but it's I think really interesting for others. If you could just go through what happened, where you were in your life, how that life ended, and what happened next. Yeah. And thanks for having me. This has been a blast. Thank you. Me, too. So, I was doing uh comedy in Los Angeles. Like, I started as a piano player. My dad sang opera. He taught rhetoric, you know, like just basically how to speak in a way that's interesting to people. You were a piano player? Yeah, I started when I was like 2 or 3 years old.
0:53And I I still teach piano, like classical piano. Wow. Not jazz piano. Not jazz piano. No, that's that's unspeakable. I have a jazz uh friend who's really into jazz and I'm like, why do you enjoy breaking the rules that make things beautiful? It's a funny relationship, but and so like I think with that musical background, my mom taught children's literature. It like kind of created a comedian in a way that's a craft. like I wasn't, you know, seeking fame or like a lot of comedians can just be like kind of spilling everything on stage like approve of me, you know, and I I was all about just doing that craft properly. And so I incorporated music with it. I go to Los Angeles.
1:38I get on the show punked. I um you know, I do Comedy Central specials. Adam Sandler puts me in some movies. I become like a one of the leads of a sitcom. Vince Vaughn, who I love, uh, produced it and we went on the road together. Like, I'm having a great, uh, time out there as a standup. As a stand-up. Yeah. And an actor like, but more based around my personality. Like, I'm not one of those I can be a a French prince guy, you know? Yeah. Like, I can't be like, who am I today? You know, and so I'm I'm having this this life and I never really thought about a lot of these issues. Like, I didn't think politics were anything, you know? I just avoided all of that. I just autistically
2:19focused on my craft. You were not in your personal life like talking about politics at dinner. No, I was just I was just trying to do my job as best as possible. Like I was very just job oriented where I was just always creating and writing and trying to do the best joke. And then I saw what was happening in comedy where you know the concept of a bad word like a word carries like uh intention right like that's insane. Like you can't put human consciousness in an object, right? Just like a gun kills people. No, a person kills people. You can kill someone with a minivan filled with lollipops. You know what I mean? Yes. Yeah. Exactly. And so the idea that a word without
2:57intention is wrong or that a group can't be made fun of was so twisted, but I was just kind of rolling with it because comedy for me is a way to discharge stress. Yes. Like if you avoid a group, that's actually very cruel. You know, comedy is a pressure relief valve. Yes. Yeah. Like people build up trauma in their life and the joke allows you with the laughter to look at it and deal with it, right? Versus like I'm not a like I'm not a tear you down comedian. It might sound like it, but it's more like it's more like a way to help someone see something like like relationship like help them communicate or help all this stuff. And so I took it very seriously. Ironically,
3:37I took comedy very seriously where I would I would try and help a couple, you know, by doing relationship jokes and then they get along better and then they, you know, I had this very loyal people because of that, you know. I was never like, I want to humiliate you. Right. Right. And so when I was a heckler Renaissance Festival in high school, that was my job. What is it? What does that even mean? I was the dude in the stocks and I would make fun of people and they'd pay to throw tomatoes at me. Actually, nine hours a day. Yeah. and a gypsy would take the money. And I and I learned that you don't attack based on what I believe. It's
4:11what where their pride is. You were paid to be a heckler at the Renaissance Festival. Yeah. Like you know at Renaissance fairs you have like the prisoner in the stocks and he's like just making fun of people and that was me. That was like my job. Did people actually hit you with tomatoes?
4:25Yeah. But if I got them properly mentally they couldn't aim properly. They throw into the ground.
4:30It was really interesting. And so like a really really fat guy you don't call fat. He doesn't care. It's like a guy like me who eats too many cookies because he has four kids. Like I'd spiral, right? It's like it's like where the pride is. So totally agree. Yeah. Like if someone's like if someone made fun of me for my pants not being like designer enough, I'd be like you're gay, right?
4:50Like I wouldn't even care. But like if they made fun of the things that I have like issues with, you know, and so I would look at people and I try that all the time. I try to find their pride, right? Yes. And so that even though I could be a little harsh, it was actually good for them. And so I'd get a bigger crowd than the the joust. Like that was always my goal. You know, the joust that have this joust going and I'm like, I got to beat that joust. Cuz it became this show where like cuz I wouldn't attack women. I just overly compliment women cuz that would be the way to get the guy.
5:21Yes. Yeah. Cuz you don't just you never attack a woman. It's like, "Oh, your wife is so beautiful.
5:26Like are you at work all day?" Right. And and so she's having fun with the tomatoes. He has to get it, you know, and I do it to everyone so they knew it wasn't personal, right? And that's why I have to make fun of every identity. Like when they say you can't make fun of black people or Jewish people or whatever, I'm like then I can't make fun of Muslims or Christians. Like I I have to have everyone or else I'm a mercenary. Yeah. Because you believe in universal principles. Is that Exactly. Yeah. And it's like I I can't show favoritism. And ironically, that's how I I believe it's very cruel to do that. Like where it's, you know, like I I would come up with like veteran
6:02jokes for my veteran friends or like wheelchair jokes for my wheelchair. It's like if not they're like subhuman. It's like, "Oh, don't say anything to him. He can't handle it, right?" Like I would feel horrible if someone was imagine if all the guys were riffing and they're like, "Don't make fun of Owen. He's like very weak and dumb." And you're like, "What? No, you can make fun of me."
6:22And so I'm from like the honor culture of like you make fun of weakness and you get stronger and you build. Yeah. I am too. So I saw that happening in LA and it it was it was Obama's second term.
6:32I think something happens second term when people double down. I agree. Right. I've noticed. Yes.
6:37Yeah. Yeah. When they're like they're just ghost riding. And I'm like at that point you can either be like this didn't turn out the way we thought or they're like they just tunnel vision and become insane. I saw that with the left in Hollywood then. Right. And you can kind of see that happening now. Yeah. Kind of right where you're like, uh, remember that whole Epstein thing, the war thing, and people are just like, no, this is even better. That was the Obama thing when, you know, at first it was like, oh, this guy's going to stop racism and he's so peaceful, right? And then when that wasn't the thing, they'd be like, the word family is a slur, you know, and I saw
7:12that. But I was uh even in your world, even among comics, you saw that? Yeah. I would see the same.
7:18Okay. like Sarah Silverman that became this like super intense. She used to have this hilarious joke. She goes, "I saw the movie 300." It was how gay it was out of 10. Like funny, right? Imagine her doing that. Like all of a sudden those people like all those hardcore liberal types, they they were once somewhat funny. And then boom, it was all gone. Everything's serious. Everything's about victim consciousness. And I was like, "This what's funny about?" And then I saw this one special where this girl was just talking about like being raped and there she was like she was like I was raped and people are laughing. She's like don't laugh. I'm like dude this is nuts, right?
7:57Like you want to give victims relief, you know? Exact. Like that's not helping victim, you know?
8:02It's important to know that whatever you're going through is pretty common because we're all people.
8:07Exactly. And so when you when someone is really distressed, it's helpful to say to that or when you're really distressed, it's helpful for someone to say, you know, I've been through this. I know someone's been through it. Like people go through this like it's going to be fine or not. You're going to go to heaven in the end or whatever. But to put their suffering in perspective is relief for them. That's what how to spoil a wizard. It's like one of the main things is isolation.
8:27Like you're the only one thinking it. Yeah. And so that's the role of the comedian is like, you know, like the fight between a man and a woman where she had a bad dream about you, right? Like stuff like that, you know? It's like they'll laugh. Wait, that's happened to other people, right?
8:41Exactly. Exactly. You cheated on me in my dream. I was laughing with C. Uh I was tweet laugh like we're just going back and forth with Candace Owens about that when everyone was freaking out about her dream. I'm like do they not know women have dreams and take them very seriously? That's every woman. I know. I have dreams about like spiders and clouds and stuff like they have like these specific dreams. Oh, I know. And they carry over into the day. Oh yeah. So anyway, like um but then what happened with me like when I took the jester hat off and I'd never done that because I was always seen as like the likable guy that you could parachute in with any culture and I'd fit in and
9:17make them laugh and stuff was the trans kid thing. Like that's when I snapped out of that whole thing cuz I was always more like libertarian looking at at gay stuff and you know even like abortion. I I never really thought about it. I was just like, "Oh, yeah. If somebody's like raped, like, who are you to, you know, I just didn't I never I'd never gotten anyone pregnant. I never thought about it." And I just couldn't believe that somebody would lie about that, right? Like that's crazy.
9:47Yeah. And so saying a kid is trans was like I was like, "What?" It was like a nightmare. I was like, "No, this is like a nightmare." Like a kid can't consent to anything and trans implies sexuality, you know? I'm like, I play classical music and I own a pink shirt. Like, am I a girl? You know, right? So, I'm like, so what exactly is a girl? I'm like, so you're talking about like sexuality in a way, right? Like, you are a girl with female genitals now. And so, as that started unfolding, I start I go to Twitter and I'm repa, you know, I'm like I was like in those worlds. I was hosting, you know, award shows that honoring DiCaprio and like I was in that realm. Yes, it's a pretty
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11:48and I was like, "Guys, this is actually like super evil." And I so publicly I'm just like this one guy guys this is super evil this one guy that was on NPR he was like saying he was saying her about his like 5-year-old and I started be and so he was like people knew him and stuff and I just started writing to him I'm like like publicly I'm like dude you're totally abusing your kid right like that's abuse and then I just start going I I get tunnel vision right I'm just like and so that started this whole thing I had oh I forgot to tell you I'd already left LA cuz I had uh a child and I wanted to be around family and my brother lived in Sarinac Lake and I I just I
12:26knew I could I could do it there. I didn't need to be in a city. I didn't want to be in a place with dead people on the street, you know? I'm like and so I was still at CIA. I was still getting deals and working on stuff. But I'm sure you know, you see the world differently when you actually live in real America. Oh, totally different. You know, like, oh man, like seeing like the vet that's actually fought the war and to see the people on the fentel, you know what I mean? It's like it's a totally different experience. It's like the It's like the the Buddha first leaving the castle and seeing the Yeah, I literally felt that way. You know, in Hollywood, you just don't see it. They're
13:00just like And then you're like, "Dude, no. We need guns to like kill a coyote that just killed my chickens." Like, you don't know what a chicken is, do you? No. It doesn't begin life as a nugget. No, they think, dude, people don't know where onions come from. It's insane, dude. That Don't even get me started. So anyway, so I'm there and so I start this all starts happening and I I had like college tours booked, you know, I was about to do Yukon and looking back it's you're way overpaid for that stuff. Like I now realize that the it's funny money coming from strange places. But like um they my agent at CA was like they just canled and the next one just canceled and they
13:39said because I'm a man of hate, right? Because of the trans kid thing. And on Twitter? Uh just from Twitter. Yeah. And so then my agent drops me. Uh so your agent dropped you? No, I I was no longer at CA. My manager also dropped me. Everyone just starts alienating themselves from How did they explain that decision? Well, I will shout out my manager. He was the one guy that didn't moralize it. He was just like, "Buddy, I don't know what to do, man. Like all these guys are calling me."
14:06I'm like, "Okay." Versus like, "What you've done is just so evil." I'm like, "Bro, I've seen you do ketamine on a toilet. like like you're not going to judge me, man. And I'm like, kids are innocent. Like I know children are innocent. Same with the abortion thing. As soon as my wife her belly started growing, I'm like, "Oh my god." I'm like, "That's a life, man." Right. Yes. So, so all all these things starts changing and so uh I'm like, "Okay." You know, I'm Wait, did you actually get a moral lecture from a CIA agent? I got it from like all these people. Like people, I won't even say any names cuz I just like to avoid that stuff, but people are texting me like,
14:46"What did you do?" Cuz people in like writer rooms in like high up circles are like basically saying like, "Owen's out." Like it was like boom boom boom. Like people that I've been in their wedding where I had to wear a freaking yarmaka to be at the wedding or calling me a man of hate, right?
15:04And I'm like guys, it's me. And I thought it was this horrible misunderstanding. And so some people uh I actually got a lot of support even from a lot of like the neocon uh type. And so that's like so that kind of tribe picked me up, you know, like the Dennis Prager and all those guys. But you must have felt like your life was falling apart and it was falling apart. But the irony though, and this is the theme of the whole thing is I'm with my brother. I'm doing tree work like like a veteran that had like you know killed a lot of people was like we called it treehab cuz he got off opiates like doing hard work you know like toiling as we were talking about and uh and my life is actually
15:41going great but I still think it's going horrible right like I'm feeling you know I we just got a chicken like I can't believe like my son like I'm looking at this miracle me and my wife are close but yet I've lost everything. And that's such a spell, right? Like, think about it. Like, think about people that have had horrible thoughts of like, you know, like despair. I've lost everything, but it's like dollars, right? I know that's that sucks, but breath, taste, your love, like you've lost nothing. You know what I mean? And so the the dead wood just started burning and all the and out of nowhere, like I thought I was, you know, dying on a hill and all these
16:22people just came and supported, right? And I was like, "Wow." And so I start I still tour and I start renting theaters. I'm like, "I don't need anyone to book my theaters," you know? I'm like, "Let's do this." And then they started all cancelling independent theaters. Independent theaters. So this is what So it was like, "Oh, the free market." I was like, "Oh no, like I can sell out. I have I've never been accused of a misdemeanor." Right? Like what did I the trans kid thing, but it like the word had went out like you got to start going at this dude's pocketbook.
16:52And so now I'm like I'm working more with the neocon types because they're willing to ask you a question. Who do you I mean this is an organized effort against you. Yeah, absolutely. This is not organic. Who was organizing it? Do you know? I mean I have some theories, but you don't you don't actually know for sure. I know the motivations. Every time I think I know for sure it switches a little. So now I try to not it's not because I'm like worried to say. I can't really figure it out. It's almost like a swarm. Yes. It's like a behavior where they're signaling. That sounds even crazier, but No, I've seen it. I It's like a It's like a like a a behavior like a fractal.
17:30Yes. And there's no one really in charge, right? It's like a conspiracy of like-minded temperament.
17:37Cuz like from my background, I'm like, "Who did this to me?" Yes. There's no one there because who would really do that? It's like a collective evil. Yes. and everyone's just doing their little thing with their behavior and it's all based on these spells. And so it took me a little while to figure that out because at first I'm like it's the Democrats and then it's like oh it's the this that it's I went through the Muslim thing. All the Muslims. Yeah. China. It's CC. Oh yeah, man.
18:04It's these damn Chinese people that made my phone. You know, I'm like all these contradictions. And then I realized, you know, it's like it's the Jews, but I know this cool Jew, right? And then I had to come up with a term called deli Jews. You know, the one that take all the blame even though they're like nice and they're just kind of complaining about their broken air conditioner, you know? I'm like, who is it? And then I'm like, it's a behavior. It's a spirit. It got me much more like actually faithful. Yes. You know what I mean? Cuz I was like, I don't have conventional ways of describing this. So then I start working with more the the traditional conservative types.
18:41Are you melting down emotionally at this point? I mean, you you moved to LA from upstate New York.
18:48I have a huge chip on my shoulder and I'm very defensive. Yes. Yeah. So, I'm like looking back the things that I would change. I don't want to change anything cuz it all led to this to that to that. But like if it was me now, uh I I would know that I wasn't in the danger I thought I was and people weren't actually as threatening cuz I would see people as like a threat to me.
19:10like you're trying to destroy me because and so I would react I would react emotionally and react more like personally and now I'm just like dude that's when the the power of forgiveness stuff is so real where you're like oh man like that sucks where you're at you know yes and so that is my that was me melting down where it was like where it was like emotional yes but looking back it doesn't I'm never like we have to kill people or none of that stuff like zero I wasn't like I was getting less into alcohol. Like I was it was like because I felt like it was a weakness like cuz it cuz the Hollywood uh in my hometown like the culture is just you just drink to land the plane,
19:50you know? Yeah. And now I'm doing these live streams and I realized that cuz I was always like a happy drink guy. Like I wasn't the dark drinker guy. I was always like my first special was called High Five Till It Hurts, right? I was that guy. Yeah. But like I could tell that it would make me a little less aware of what I'm doing and that I could feel like shame after from like going off too hard on someone. They could like use that emotion. And so I actually start my personal life is getting better, which was crazy. But it looks like I'm losing everything at the same time. And so now I'm on like this genuine truth journey. And I'm, you know, I'm really thinking about
20:27did I lose Jester's privilege because I took the trans thing so seriously? But now I'm taking a lot I'm like guys like family as well like like this is crazy the way this is going. I see, you know, the Sackler family I call out. I got a strike for hate speech because of that. The Sackler family who owned Purdue Pharma, the right back then before the Netflix special. People didn't know cuz I'm the who guy. Who's doing it? And my friend, you know that vet I told you about died. And it was like so sad. How? Opiates, you know, despair. It's despair is the is the sin. Despair is that's why like there's people I'll go at. I'm like, if you spread despair,
21:03you're basically poisoning people, you know? And uh and so that is such a a wise thing. I've done a lot of despair spreading and I and I regret. Oh, me too. Yeah. But see, telling the truth can come off as despair, but it's still good. Like I like when you do this stuff about who's doing what and what's going on. Yeah. But I I think it can be too much. I mean, it bums me out. So I you know, we're commanded not to despair. Exly. Exactly. there that that's when like that uh principle like those fundamentals kick in where there's been times where I'm like but I know like despair is a sin like that's like spitting in the face of a gift, right? Yes. And it's like cuz that's how I
21:44feel about suicide. I'm like that's the greatest like that's so awful. It's like it's like you're created you're given all of this and you're just getting rid of it. Like it's like someone like your wife making you a beautiful dinner and you're just like like that would be insane, right? It's the same impulse though. Yeah. So, you get mad and you smash something. Smash something.
22:03Yeah. You're like, I don't want it. It's like, no, it's a gift. It's beautiful. And that comes from like shame and all this stuff, you know? So, so I'm I'm figuring all this stuff out. And then, cuz the trans kid thing was why a lot of these neocon types gravitate towards me. And then I was like, "Guys, you're never going to guess where the pharmaceutical company is. It's this little country called Israel, right?" And they're like, "Yeah, it doesn't really matter where it is." And I'm like, "What's going on, guys?" cuz I didn't even know what the deal was. I'm like, who cares? You know, it's like what why does that matter? Like, we can't talk about that.
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23:50800685-55696 or visit americanfinancing.net/tucker. And I and it's not like I'm some martyr. I can't do comedy without truth. Like I would lose the tether to my job. Yes. You know, like even without I was never like, "Look at me. I'm saving the children." Like I was like, "If I don't stay in reality, I can't bounce the joke off of anything and I will crumble and be humiliated." Yes, that's true. I've seen it over and over again. That's why you got to stay grounded because like fame and money, it's just energy, right? It's not good or bad. It's just energy. And if you don't ground that, like people go absolutely insane. It's like, you know, you've seen that over and over and over
24:34again in Hollywood. Like, you'll see these funny comics, they'll get these huge amounts of money, they get in debt. Debt's like the major thing. And then that's what makes them a slave because Wait, they get a huge amount of money, but they also get in debt. Exactly. Like let's say you get um a million dollar uh they would get like a $8 million house with the mortgage and so then they feel they have to go along with all these evil things or else they'll lose everything because I kept seeing it cuz I'm like I know they're not wicked. You know there's a difference between sin and wickedness like like weakness which we all have cookies emotions and I'm with you. Yeah. cookies
25:14and emotions actually nicely put. Yeah. And like wickedness is the hatred of beauty. Like wanting to destroy innocence, blow up a dome, right? Like that's wicked where you're like you hate God versus like, man, I got hammered and just freaked out again. You know, that's different cuz you know what is true and false. Yes. So to lose the tether of what is true and false is to like go it's like the callous like where you don't feel the spirit anymore. And that to me was my nightmare. So I'm like, I can't do that. So that's why I left the my brother's town because I do this big big special.
25:50Everyone's pumped. All the locals are like, man, this is epic. We can do comedy right here. But it was like 900 people in the town. My special had like a thousand. So that's very intimidating to local principalities, right? Oh yeah. And I'm like, guys, I don't And so one per one lady wanted me to apologize for a joke and I wouldn't do it. And and people are like, my brother's friends are like, "Come on, man. Just apologize." Like, you know, and I I get it. Like, when you're like an alpha male in a region, it's like, "Come on, like, keep everyone happy." Of course. And I totally understand that. I'm like, "Guys, I can't apologize though because I'm not sorry." And and
26:26and I I'm like, you know, I'm not stubborn. Like, I'll roll with anything. But like, then my apology doesn't mean anything. And I need that. Yes. Like, if I apologize, I am sorry, which I do do. But if I'm not sorry, then that's that's a form of usery and then it doesn't mean anything, right? Like I love that I can tell my wife I'm sorry and she knows like if she doesn't believe me then my life spirals, you know, and so and so at that point, so we had to leave that that town and it was more just like a mercy, you I'm like, "This can't really work cuz I was like affecting, you know, my brother's life and and you know, and so we went to where my my wife's family is." And so that that
27:08worked out better cuz at that point, what is your wife saying at this point? So she marries you, you're this on the rise successful Hollywood guy. She has your baby and you get cancelled and then you have to you're on your third town. Yeah. Well, that's when you realize your wife loves you. Yes.
27:24You know, cuz you never really know as things are going up. Yeah. So true. Yeah. It's the same with debt. It's like what did was it Warren Buffet or something? When when the when the tide goes out, you see he's wearing their underpants. Yeah. And so at that point I'm like, "Wow, you really do love me, right?" Cuz she's ride or die. I mean, she'll get like if she's upset, it's because of something real, right? Like cuz I'm I'm bringing my outdoor friends inside with a lot of PTSD, right? So, you know, and it's because they're like yelling at you in the morning. It's not, you know what I mean? So, that that's totally understandable. That's why we came up with outdoor
27:58friends. Outdoor friends because I'm hanging out with like a ton of vets at this point, right? And they're great guys, but like, you know, wild swings. Oh, yeah. And that's when I saw like a psychic wound, like a moral wound. What that looks like where where at one moment you're like, we have to like turn the Middle East to glass. Like they're proud of their skill and then on on another moment it's like, man, they're like just like us. they like have families and you know and that chasm causes so much pain and that's it does and dude that's where that like forgiveness is so important and you see them ping ponging back and forth that's the pain right that's why I would
28:33like make fun of vets and nonvets you know a lot of these you know people in NOS's and are like how dare you attack our vets I'm like they're finally laughing because I would do this thing on Veterans Day I'd be like haven't you guys had enough you know I'm like we give you so much. You know, I'm like, if you really left it on the field, it would be Memorial Day. And they're just laughing cuz they get idolized by the people starting the wars. Exactly. Right. And I know that in the most false way. Yeah. And that's me as a comedian. Anytime people are like, man, you're like you're like so awesome. I'm like, I I'm not I'm good at this one thing, but I have a spotlight, so you think that,
29:10but please don't treat me like that. Like, I'm not an idol. Cuz that's a form of punishment, too. The pit and the pedestal. Yeah. A lot of people don't realize that the pedestal is torturous, you know.
29:22Yeah. Don't allow any flattery in your vicinity. Exactly. Exactly. Ever. When the Pharisees come when they're about to kill Jesus, the the the trick is they go, they're like, "You're such a good guy. You only tell the truth." Like, they flatter him. Yeah. I mean, people tell me, "You're the reason I had a kid." I'm like, "All praise." I know. All praise to God. That's a protection. Yes.
29:42Because if you're the reason for the good, you're also the reason for the bad. Fair. And it's like we're not gods, right? So it's like that's the road. Like that's a horrifying road. And so many people like narcissism is that it's like truth comes from their emotions. And that's why you're seeing so much lying now. Can you explain that a little more fully? Yeah. Like my motto is I might be wrong, but I'm not lying. Yes. It's my motto also. Actually, I love that. Dude, one of the one of the most amazing things I saw you do, and this is not flatter, this is just a fact, is when you said you were wrong about the Iraq war. Yeah. Cuz that is it's rare though that establishes
30:17truth is outside of you. Yes. Yeah. That's rare. A lot of people they're like I I might be lying but I'm not wrong. Right. Cuz they're like oh no. It turns out that was all wrong but I was still right cuz it's me. Like I saw that in physics cuz I had a physics podcast at Keltech with my buddy who's a nuclear physicist and dark matter. I couldn't stop laughing when I realized it. So, they have these gravitational equations and when it wasn't matching anything, they said, "Oh, there's dark matter." And I'm like, "What's that?" They're like, "95% of the universe you can't see or measure and it's like most of the gravity." And I'm like, "How do you know
30:55it exists?" They're like, "Swear to God." They're like, "Cuz if not, we'd be wrong." And I'm like, "So, you can't measure it?" They're like, "No, that dark matter, but it's there." I'm like, "How do you know?" They're like, "Cuz if not, then this is wrong." like Vox Day who published that.
31:12He pub he did a book of breaking down the the math of evolution is so bad because he's like one of those super geniuses. Vox is great guy and uh and it's so bad like the actual math of it like how you know just read the book probability zero. It's like it's like the like how long would it take for things to permeate like a mutation to permeate to the actual population. And when you see how completely ridiculous it is, I think they have trauma where they're like, "Well, it can't be that or else like I put a square on my head and brag to everyone and I my life is a lie." Right. Like the guy that changed your oil is actually smarter than you, right? Oh, yes. Well, that's that's when the
31:56shame kicks in where they're like, "I called all these people deplorable mouth breeders. I tried to eliminate their population and it turns out like they're way better at things." Yes. When I found that out, I was like, "Wow, these guys are great, right?" It's like, that's the difference. It's like you might feel some pain of pride where you have to make some phone calls, right? Because I've been right wrong about a million things. Me, too. But it's like, thank I like being wrong cuz I'm like, "Oh, it's usually better than I thought." Always. Exactly. And it's such a burden lifted.
32:26Oh, cuz you don't have to pretend. I hate when it's out. Yeah. Cuz when something's wrong out there, it's like rippling out. And I'm trying to help people not ripple it out, right? It's almost like a disease. Yes. And you're stopping the spread. Yeah. Stopping the spread, you know, safe and effective. Which is another claim that they couldn't walk back because their pride hung on it. Imagine. But the spell is safe for who and effective at what. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. The assumptions is how they get, you know, the more honorbased Anglo-Saxon Germanic type cultures.
33:00You know, it's like, well, it can't be that. No one's that crazy. Right. Right. We don't like ask the followup question of like it's too dark. It's too dark. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the hood culture which can be very funny where it's like you'll never guess this loophole I figured out. You know, we can redefine a word and get all these free pencils. Yeah. And it's like Yeah. But that's like the way I like to describe it is uh there's two ways to win a race. You either run faster or you get the other guy slower. Yeah. Right. It's like my house is now nice because I blew up the pretty house. Yeah. So, most people don't wake up in the morning and decide to feel horrible, exhausted,
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34:55Yeah. And it's a behavior. That's why I don't isolate it to one identity. That's why I say like grabbler or something. Yeah. Because I see it in all populations. Yes. I actually think it's a trap to say that like all evil disseminates from one group. That that's like one of the classics, the the identity trap. Yes. Cuz I see that with like a lot of the white guy stuff. I'm like, "No, I don't want to be defined by like we need more of an arbitrary thing, but we're still just going for greatness." It's like, right, like I see that with like Yeah, it's of course, but so many people are falling for this. It's like, oh no, we just have to get all whites. I'm like,
35:30no, we need all competent, good, moral, and if there's more of one group, that's fine, right?
35:38Of course. Well, it's absurd. It's And it's And it's exculpatory. That's why people love it cuz it's like I'm on the winning team no matter what. And I was telling that to one of my like I know I have an Israeli listener and we were laughing cuz I'm like you guys remind me of American Indian tribes I grew up with where it's like our nation right or wrong. I'm like that doesn't go well. No it doesn't cuz you have to go for greatness or else it becomes very you know you can't trust each other. And he was laughing. He's like it's so true man. It's like very tribal you know. I'm like dude all the natives I know they're all like uh they're drinking mouthwash man. They're not doing
36:11great. No, no, I shouldn't laugh. No, it's No, it's true. I've been across my whole life. Like, these are like close friends of mine, some of the best athletes in the world, and then they just start drinking mouthwash, and I'm like, dude. Yeah. Yeah. And that But that's despair, right? That's why Yeah. Cuz you can always get out. And so, so you wind up with the um you're you're taken in by when you say the neocons, like news organizations, websites, like Yeah.
36:36like like the like the more Daily Wired crowd and Nolles and all and Crowder and all those guys and I still have a soft spot for Nles. I think it's pretty, you know, Nolles. I like Nles. Yeah, me too. Yeah, it's just the the Ben Shapiro's eyebrows really. I mean, it's just been getting a little intense. Very. Yeah. Are those real? I don't think so. Yeah. Prosthetic eyebrows. I've never heard of that. That's some dark trolling. Yeah. No. Like, imagine just putting I mean, he never had those eyebrows and now he has them. Like you don't just grow eyeb more eyebrows. No.
37:06No. And the thickness of them unless there's like some kind of propia or something on that. Unless someone close to him was putting ro gain on his eyebrows. That would be pretty funny though. It wouldn't shock me. But it's the whole thing is weird. Um so you wind up in that world.
37:22Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so because I was so happy that they were willing to say the things that Hollywood wouldn't say. Yes. Of course. Me too. Yeah. Like seeing Crowder pray at a meal like blew my mind. I was like cuz I was just like so into that gratitude cuz I love that stuff like in Hollywood. I even texted Vaughn this morning about uh he was the one being like have kids and he made it funny and that really motivated me you know cuz there's no voices in Hollywood telling people to have kids. It's always get a bigger house, have more sex partners, you know, get a bigger deal, have a better car. And Vince is like, "Babe, you got to you got to start making accounts.
37:59Stop pulling out like a coward, you And I'm like, "Okay." And then every Father's Day, I'm like, "Dude, that was so cool you did that." Really fun. It was fun. Convinced me to have kids. Yeah.
38:09And because it was always there. I just I like strong paternal leaders. Like I'm not I'm not this like hyper it's always me guy. I like teams. I'm real big on like a guy I can look up to. Yes.
38:23And so that's why in a world without heroes, this swarm hates heroes. They hate inspiration. That's why they don't like architecture, right? Yes. Because it makes you feel hope. You're like, "Oh, wow. That's beautiful. Tomorrow will be a better day." They're like, "Oh, we got to we got to burn that down." You know, literally. And it's sad, right? It's like that's why I don't It doesn't get me angry now cuz I'm like, imagine like I see my kids, they can have like one bouncing ball.
38:50They can have so much joy. And I I know people and I'm sure you do too, like on a giant yacht on all these designer drugs being praised and they're thinking about jumping off the yacht. Yes. I know many people like that. And they they get and and in their like if I was going to defend them, I would say what they're thinking is I've I've done I've sacrificed so much. I've worked so hard. I've humiliated myself and that dude on a pontoon boat is so much happier. Yeah. Why?
39:18Right. And then they get mad at God. And that's why that's that uh fractal where it's like God is wrong. And so once I started realizing that the grand plan is the good plan, all these like little things started not scaring me, you know, and I'll have stresses and all that stuff. Little things like being bankrupted. Yeah. No. And then like to continue the story. So after that things got way crazier. Really? Yeah. After you got rescued by the Daily Wire crowd. Yeah. When I started being like Yeah. cuz I started seeing that certain identities can be liability shields when you're selling opioids, you know. Yeah. And same with the sex abuse stuff in Hollywood. I was I was pointing
39:57out people and I didn't even put it together and someone called me an anti-semite and I was like, "What do you mean?" That's like I didn't even think about that. That's why I did I did a a whole tour called height supremacist cuz I was trying to I was like I could do that with height, right? like oh only you know hail heitler and stuff and and and so that comedy you're 6'8 I should say that for people who can't tell me and so I was like dramatizing that like I could do that with anything like no I'm talking about the behavior right like imagine if it's like oh you're just mad at 510 guys no it's a behavior and so and so that I get kicked off PayPal I get kicked off
40:34Airbnb like and my wife Airbnb yeah because they want to take out your um your income Oh so you had a rental property I had a rental cuz that cuz I'm like a like I just keep going. Like I'm pretty upbeat, you know? It's like, "Oh, I can't tour now, so I'll do tree work with my brother and I'll rent out this house and we'll fix it up and we'll learn about construction and all this stuff." And so I got a letter from Airbnb that that, you know, I couldn't be on anymore because I was mocking the victims of sexual assault. you. The joke was, so the Me Too movement comes out and I do a joke with
41:10dramatic irony where I'm like, "Yeah, so I'm in LA and I I go there's one of these parades and I'm like, "Ladies, you might want to think of a different slogan." And and it's like, "Well, what what do you mean?" And so I do this long drawn out thing and I'm like, "Pound me, too." And so the whole joke is I think it's a pound sign. And the joke's on me. Like I'm the dumb guy, right?
41:26Yeah. So, they said that I was mocking victims and I'm like, "No, no, they're laughing because this me too thing is like using them for their agenda." Exactly. Like I'm making fun of the wizard and the wizards are the ones that get mad. Like the people that hate conspiracy theorists are conspirators, right? It's so simple. It's like, man, I I'm sorry. I just have to I just cuz I don't know people watch these on double speed. I just want to I want to repeat what you said cuz it's so worth the people who hate conspiracy theories are the conspirators. Yes. That is so good. It's so true, too. Why else would you hate conspiracy theories? It's like, man, this conspiracies
42:08theorist. I'm like, you wouldn't happen to be currently doing a conspiracy, would you?
42:15I don't know why that's never occurred to me. This the IQ gap is becoming It's not even IQ. I'm just always around kids and animals. So am I. Well, animals at this point. That's so so I'm sorry I keep interrupting you. So no, I love it. So um how long did you remain in that world in the Daily Wire adjacent world? Well, I was like writing for Crowder for a while and yeah, it was more like they would start getting weird with me when I'd ask questions about why we're not hanging on the moon. I'd love to go up there one day. You know, it's like those things cuz I realized that it was that's their sacred cow, you know? So, Hollywood has abortion and all that stuff. And so, I'm like,
42:55"No, it's just you're tolerant of all that stuff." Like I said, Barack Obama stole my bike. And they're like, "Oh, that's clearly funny." They'll laugh, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, "Okay, but I just did this joke about the size of someone's hat and now you're offended." I'm like, "Oh, so you have a you have like a team." I'm like I'm I almost felt like a middle ages executioner where I couldn't live in the village, you know? I'm like I'm not on any of your teams, man. I I can't because as soon as I do, I will lose the tether. I can't be a comedian. Yes. Like the comedian and I'm not against pol I understand institutions they they have to maintain that they can't be like me
43:31like I I just roam you know. Yes. And so I respect I learned that over the years where I respect how like you know religious institutions, political institutions, they have to maintain their order.
43:43I can't be in one of those because of as soon as I see something if I don't like do the joke then I lose every like I lose the whole thing. And so I'm like I'm just going to be like in the woods picking up rocks. But okay. So at what point did you decamp for the woods to pick up rocks? Well, the whole time I was slowly just Oh, that's a funny story. So, we go to where my wife's family is and that's much better because I learned the lesson. Don't do stand up where you live. Right.
44:12Right. Fair. Yeah. Because I didn't know. I'm like, "Oh, this will be my job." And now I'm like, the whole thing is family. So, I have these kids. I don't want them to be like Owen Benjamin's kids.
44:22Yeah. I'm like, "I want you to like have great relationships with everybody." And cuz a lot of times it's not even people that are offended. It's just power freaks people out, you know? Yes.
44:30where they just will look at them and be like, you know, how can I, you know, I I just wanted them to have their life. Yeah. So, I just stopped doing I didn't do any standup in that area. I I low profile and that's great. And then CO kicks in, right? And so, from the beginning, I mean, I did a joke about Ebola in 2017 where I was like, OJ Simpsons killed more people than Ebola. Like, I'm just doing jokes like that just to lower fear. And I'm not a viologist, but I'm like, "Guys, I have 16 friends that have died of opioids. Can we ease up on the strange African situation, you know? I'm like, despair is killing everyone, but sure, let's watch Outbreak again. Like, this is
45:09ridiculous." And I know a lot about mind control stuff. And uh that's why I wouldn't give one inch, you know, with the mask. I I wouldn't wear a mask. And again, it's like apologizing for a joke.
45:20They're like, "Just wear the mask." Like, "Come on, man." And I'm like, that's that's the start of it, right? That's the dehumanizing start. And then it's the next thing and the next thing and the next thing, right? It's like that that Star Trek episode like how many lights and he has to say the wrong answer. Remember that one? Of course, there are three lights. And he was about to get rescued and they were trying to create this thing of despair. And so I was like and in that area where my wife is from was like very bougie type people that was like everyone was wearing a mask, you know, and we had a community of like like-minded people and they were falling for all of it.
45:57And I'm like guys like you know cuz I from the beginning I thought it was to cancel the Olympics.
46:02I'm like maybe it's a debt thing with Japan. Like I never thought it was a a valid thing because of how it was being presented. Yes. You know it's like you get a free vax with donuts. I'm like, that's not a health thing, you know? I'm like, Bill Gates, you don't want to take health advice from a guy who gets awards for lowering the world population. Yeah. Fair. And that's why people, that's why I got so platform because these simple questions just annihilate these spells. Like, you're born gay? I'm like, so there are gay babies. And that alone, everyone's like, think about a gay, there's no gay babies. Like, that's a crazy thought. And so then you're like,
46:40"Oh, maybe it does have to do with like grooming and trauma and all this stuff." And then you start and then you start being like and and you don't need to be defined by your sin and then work on it. Like imagine if I was a cookie like a like I'm a cookie guy, right? Like I can't stop eating the cookies, right? It's like they're saying your sin is good and that's your identity. Like that's Yeah. Cuz I make fun of you should have pride. Pride in it. The first of the deadly sins. And I wasn't a hypocrite. Like when guys talk like that about women, I'm like that's like you're like a gay straight guy, right? When it's like, "Oh, I just got another chick and this chick
47:14and this chick." I'm like, "How about you start like a like a legacy like children?" I'm like, "That's not good what you're doing." Like that's an indulgence, right? Yes. Yeah. And that's why a lot of gay people privately are like, "I like that you're not because a lot of them are motivated by how hypocritical people can be where they're like, how dare you, gay guy." But yet they're like, you know, using women for sex as if they're nothing and and like throwing them away and all this stuff. And so the fact that I was just like I had a principle, a lot of gay guys were like, "Man, I just I I like that you're like that because they were seeing that they were being used
47:50by Target and all this stuff." And and so it's so interesting behind the scenes how many people are actually not mad. It's like this illusion. Yes. I totally agree. I've I've experienced that my whole life. Yeah. Like they'll I mean they called me a a racist for you know I don't know a decade or something. White supremacist. I never had a single black person get up in my face. Not one time in airport sidewalk. Never one time. It was only angry white ladies. It was interesting. And you begin to realize like I I don't know. I'm not an expert on like black public opinion but no one's ever not one time that's the mad that's the devil's joke. It's like I became more racial
48:33because of black rooms. Like I I didn't want to talk about race. I want to talk relationships, dogs, piano. Like I was that guy. And I do Cleveland 90% black on a Wednesday where there's like gang gangsters there. And if I showed weakness, I was dead. Yeah. So like I learned that and then I learned like the the humor. Like if you make like I've made fun of gang bangers for having diamond earrings, calling them princesses. They're dying laughing. We hang out after. They're telling me white people are created on an island. And so we're like laughing, right? Like there's nothing there. And and then these like white ladies are like, "Oh, how dare
49:10you?" Like they're they're actually dehumanizing black people. They're like, "They don't understand jokes." They're like, "You give them a banana and a pat on the head." No, it it's so crazy. And I thought I was going crazy. I'm like, they don't understand. They don't They literally They can't have driver's licenses. It's too complicated. They don't understand layers. They're simple people. Give them a rhythm. Yeah. Cuz you're robbing you're robbing them of it. And dude, a lot of black comedy is the funniest because it's like it's got that honor aggression to it. Yeah. What's Wait, will you define that honor aggression? Yeah. Like you're attacking weaknesses
49:46in others versus like attacking beauty, right? You know, it's like, "Oh, look at this dude. This and then you're just like, you know, like who do you think you are with these pants?" type thing, right? Because you're attacking vanity. Yes. Yeah. And so I relate to that. That's why I would relate to some like Middle Eastern cult because it's a Bedawin thing. Same with Scottish people are like that too. Exactly. Right. You've named some of my the cultures I feel most comfortable. Yeah. Yeah.
50:10It's it's it's cuz it's like your herd will will travel. So you have to carry yourself properly everywhere you go versus just a square that like daddy manages, right? Yes. Yeah. Because like that's how hurting cultures survive is like your honor, your word allows or else it's constant war, you know? Yes. That's why like comedians have to have honor culture cuz we travel and it's like you have to have your word with the new people or else you'll not be able to make them laugh. Huh.
50:42And so yeah, I do like I just get out of El Paso. I'm like making fun of Hispanic crowds. I'm doing that and then I'm just getting these lectures from these ivory tower buffoons. And so my thing was not just yelling at them, you know, because I would get I would be like, "You're so wrong. It's infuriating." You know what I mean? It's like saying that this is a elephant, you know? It's like hiring a mechanic and then lecturing them and then your car explodes and then blaming them and then kicking them off YouTube cuz your car exploded. Like it's like what? And so this whole time I I I have to keep building alternatives cuz I'm now off PayPal. So now they're like, "Oh, why
51:21don't you just rent your own theater if you don't have CIA anymore?" I'm like, "Great idea, and then I'll just sell tickets myself." PayPal kicks me off. I'm like, "Why?" And that's why they had to get me off Twitter and stuff first, cuz I couldn't tell. Like, they didn't want me to be able to tell the villagers. So, I mean, I I've seen this happen to other people, not really as comprehensively as it happened to you. No, because my audience was so big and I was so early that they were like, "This has to stop like immediately." because I wasn't political. I was like a child being like, "Wait a minute." You know, and they're like, "That's the thing that actually can dismantle
51:57stuff." Because if you come from a tribe, um, people can just assume you're just doing it because blah blah blah. Exactly. And it was like almost impossible with me. They're like, "You're just doing it for clicks." I'm like, "I can't even get clicks." Right. I'm like, "I I'm not on YouTube." that and that's why it always backfires because they they kicked me off YouTube like years ago. Now I I probably wouldn't even get they've like opened it up more, you know. Are you not on YouTube? Still not on YouTube. Yeah, I did my own ladle.tv $911 a month. Never forget. No, cuz I had to. They're like I've done went down roads where I was getting kicked off server
52:35farms and stuff. It got Yeah. And that's Were you calling for violence? Never once. No. like they would put in writing like it was the me too joke. That's why they stopped even saying what it was because it it would be so obvious like Barack Obama stole or another one was uh David Hog can't tell me not to have guns. He can't grow pubes. They said I was sexualizing a child and my that was what I got banned from Twitter for. Meanwhile, that child was trying to change federal law. Well, yeah, cuz I know uh liability shields. Like they use children to try and do their thing and say you can't attack a child. I'm like and my whole thing was you're not a man like you can't grow.
53:17I if I had said chest hair they would have said I was sexualizing a chest or like they have to just demonize demonized. And so my whole thing was like why are people believing this? And it's because they just wanted they were dependent right. They want they just didn't want to lose that drip.
53:31Yes. And so that's why I think guys like us have been kind of set free. Oh yes. It was like, "Don't throw me in the brier patch." Right. Right. It's like, and I didn't know it at the time, but like I realized that I didn't lose everything, you know? It's like an illusion. And so then it became like, "Don't let anyone." But you actually did lose everything. You lost everything in their world.
53:51I got kicked out of a gay bar. Yeah. Imagine it's like, "Oh, you can't be at our gay bar anymore." And I'm like, "But that's the only bar I know. I mean, I'm not pumped. Everyone's gay, but that's my, you know, Johnny's in the corner in the droop box. you know, wham, I'm not a big fan, but like I'll dance to and then they kick you out and you're like, "Oh my god, I can just go somewhere else." I go to another bar where they're not gay and then I realize I don't want to go to a bar, right? Cuz that's the that's the trap. That's why the despair I'm always like, "Guys, they're doing an illusion. It's wizardry." Like, they're not winning cuz it it's the Wizard of Oz. Like
54:26you it's this big illusion and it's not real, you know? That's why How did you Okay, because I had to I had to Yeah. No, you could have gone crazy. You I love my wife. I love my son. Like I felt duty. Yeah, that was it. Cuz I think about that. I'm like cuz that does sound pretty cool like that I did that. But it's like and I'm not that guy. I'm like not like the guy that's first on TikTok or I'm not that like ambitious with the new thing or anything. Like I I just I can autistically focus on piano scales and comedy. And it was cuz I couldn't let them down. And that actually gave me a lot of love cuz I was like I was a bit nihilistic, never desperish, but I didn't
55:06know what I deserve. But my son, I was like, he's good, you know? Yes. And then I was like, we were all that, right? And then I started my life started changing. I was like, I'm not like a virus on the planet. Like I'm not, you know, like we're like stewards of this. Like all the so many biblical principles I saw in reality happening. I'm like, he's good. like and as he kept growing and then my other sons I'm like they don't start bad. I'm like he's not hurting any I'm like and so my protect I'm very protective of others way more than myself. Me too. And uh but I've learned to be more protective of myself. Like I'm feeding my dog organic food and I'm eating go slop, you know?
55:48It's like and I'm like why? I just spent more on my dog's food. I'm like cuz I'm the guy that's trying to protect. I'm like but we're good too. And then I I just I that's what did it. And I I am smart and and work hard. So like because I was motivated by loving them, I could just innovate, you know, cuz if it wasn't for that, I would just But how do you continue to think clearly and not become obsessed with hatred toward the people who were oppressing you? The community that was forming around me, too. Like people that I was meeting that were so cool. Yeah. You know, like I'd be at these Hollywood parties where everyone's famous and everyone's just trying to
56:24find a drug or something, you know, and I'm like I'm seeing these musicians. I thought music sucked and I'm meeting these musicians that are awesome. They just are fixing cabinets or they're like, you know, they're like normal guys, but the art didn't die. And then I realized after being kicked out of theaters and clubs that comedy can exist anywhere. And I was like starting to see that the world's I'd still get pissed off. The thing that would piss me off the most are despair guys. Yeah. Like as I'm trying to help, they're they're trying to tear me down. Like I'm not just gonna go at like a
56:55a guy for being a sad little gay guy or something. Right. Right. But like if they're trying to like if I'm trying to like rescue a drowning guy and they're like, "He's drowning him." I'm like, "You have to stop now. I'm now attacking you." You know? Were people doing that to you? Yeah.
57:10And I thought it was on the just going to be the left with hate speech. And then I'd see people like in you know like people like like a Nick Fentes or guys like that like they secretly go at people that try to inspire like explain that cuz people sometimes would wonder like why are you attacking him you know like what are you are you a Jew or you a secret Jew you know I'm like no he's spreading despair like he's saying Quintis is yeah like that having a family's gay don't work out you know and then he would like come at me and like make fun of me for saying get goats and grow a tomato You know, and I'm like, man, like stop with that cuz it affects people like
57:47people that look cuz you'll say base things like Fuentes will be really funny and like, you know, Jesus and all this stuff and and young kids are dying to hear that. Yes. And then he'll be like, "Yeah, and how hot are like cats?" And I'm, you know, and I'm just like, "Dude." And so that would bother like that bothers me, right? Why do you think he does that? I don't even want to know at this point. I just I don't know. But you think it's an intentional and maybe not just him, others too. But like it's a behavior. That's what that that's where I'm at now is I'm like I don't know who gives orders. I don't know what it is. It's just like God made a mistake. Yeah. Right.
58:25Like I it's it's victim consciousness. It's like I deserve more than I currently have. Yes. That's all it is. And it's like whether it's you want to be taller or less gay. I'm just kidding. But you know what I mean? No. No, you may be right. Yeah. And that's why in the book I talk about the the primary lies that lead to the rest of the lies. And so like you're okay who you are.
58:48Like God didn't make a mistake is a fundamental. Yes. Because that belief allows people to believe all these other horrible things. And so that's one reason I don't have hatred because everybody including people that can be annoying to me as I'm trying to do my work. I'm like, you're only doing this because you think you're not enough. But I can't fix you with a funny song.
59:10You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm like, you're okay. You know, because because I'll like do a joke making fun of like short guys getting shot out of a cannon or something, right? And like there's a type that's like and I'm like, dude, you're enough, man. I'm trying to release the stress. So, I'll do tall jokes, you know? I'll make fun of being tall. And it's like and trying to help that. And and that will usually help with like insecurities, identity, all that stuff. And it's like some people are just like they double down, double down, double down. where they're like, "No, I deserve more." And I would see that in myself. And that's when you really grow where you're like,
59:43"I deserve to be on this platform." Like, "They wronged me." And then I started being like, "Well, they built it. I didn't build YouTube, you know?" It's like I was a guest on there.
59:51And I started getting like way more humble than I normally am because that was how I was surviving, you know? And then I'm like, "Well, I'm American. I'm going to use a post office box, right? That's ours. That's that's that's our And I got really into the post office. Come on. No, that was my sacred cow. Like, and people would make fun of the post office, I'd be like, "How dare you?" Like, I'm like, "Rain, rain, and sleep and snow. They're delivering the cuz I'd get thousands of letters, right?" Because they couldn't censor it. They couldn't censor reality. And so I was like, "I'm protecting the post office." And that's so absurd that my sacred cow wasn't. It was like
60:28kind of funny. But I was like, I'd really get mad if people had attacked the post office. I'm like, FedEx has terms and conditions. They can search it. But the post office is the last pure thing.
60:40Yeah. And it was found it was foundational. It's like it's so important that people can just write a letter with a cheap stamp. You know, now I communicate with mail. And think about if everything just collapses, which it it like has to at this point. I mean, the lies are it's Tower of Babels. Yeah. Of course. It's like imagine if people have during co I said know 10 people within 10 miles. I'd give people actionable things like know people just like know your neighbors, right?
61:08Like know where they live and be able to say hi like borrow something, work together. Like cuz one thing I learned about being in rural in the in the country is people are an asset where in the city like they start thinking look at all these people. They're crowding everything. Yes. People. Yes.
61:26And where I live, it's like, yes, a person to help me dig this insane ditch. And then I was like, oh my god, we can make anything. And it was just a very beautiful thing. So you go from you're living in your wife's town, her family's town. Yeah. And then co happened and I would like have public I would I would try to be funny about it. You know, masks are for criminals and perverts.
61:48Which one are you, lady? Like stuff like that. But I would get I didn't want another hostility thing. I'm like, this is my wife's town. Like I'm not going to be the guy cuz I wouldn't ever wear a mask. I'm like then before you know it like they figured this out in like camps and stuff.
62:02It's like how you break somebody hop on one foot like let me just put a little patch on your eye.
62:06A little every Yes. is closer and closer. That's how sin works, right? Yes. That is true. And if I was innocent it would have been okay. Like people that thought they were scared to wore masks. I don't think it affected them as much but I knew. Exactly. Yes. That's why a lot of people that feel guilt. I'm like, but you didn't know though. I did know. It's a burden sometimes where I'm like, I know what the mask is and I know this psychological thing and if you didn't, like you thought you were helping people, which is actually fine. You know what I mean? Of course. Yeah. But like, so we go to Idaho because I had done a show in Sandp Point and I love the people and I started
62:44um I started looking at areas that that weren't wearing masks cuz I was like, "This probably has low debt." What's the connection? Right? Because I think the debt causes the fear, right? Because there's going to be a percentage of the population that doesn't want to wear a mask. They're just not I know a ton of people that don't care about colds and stuff. Like I don't Yeah. Yeah. So it's like like they don't wear seat belts. Like that guy's not wearing a mask. Like you know what I mean? And so why is everyone wearing a mask? Is because they don't want to lose their job because they have a mortgage, because they have kids in college because it's that whole train. And so
63:16when you reverse engineer it, it starts with debt with interest because you have to pay that with the job and you're convinced you have no other abilities in life than this one thing. And so if you see people without a mass, they're probably productive and not in debt. And some people with mass might actually believe it, which is fine. But I I needed to see a percentage. And so I saw that area and there was just these 10 acres with a barn with a little corner apartment. And me and my whole family just moved there cuz I couldn't afford a house without debt cuz when I got kicked off Airbnb, I had to sell that house. So now I had money, right? Like it's all a blessing. So
63:54we go there, you know, and now we can have cows. We had alpacas and goats and I just find if I ask you to pause, it's interesting that as you get deplatformed and basically take all your money away, take your source of income away, you've got less money. Yeah. But you're more committed not to taking on debt. Yeah. Cuz I saw that was why because I was like feeling very betrayed. Yeah.
64:18Yeah. And so I was like, why is that guy like am I so stupid that I thought all these people were awesome and they're like I'm like they're just lying cuz I know myself. Like I don't have the hate they were saying or else I couldn't do comedy. Right. Like if you're mad someone said I think it was Norm, you can't do an impression of someone you hate. Yes. That's right. Yeah.
64:37Cuz it's like you're you're you're like you're like trying to dig at it versus like the empathy required. It's so true. So true. So true. I would always tell my reporters, you can't cover anybody you hate or you're sleeping with. Anything that obscures your vision to that extent, you know, the motion uh makes you a bad observer. Yeah. And I had to like constantly do selfch checkcks with that because I for me, it's just the the work ethic thing in me. I just don't want to fail at my job because if I hate it like it's not funny cuz I'm like trying to do something versus just letting things happen with comedy. Like the moment is the important part. So you realize the people
65:13who betrayed you betrayed you in part because they were in debt. Yes. And they were servants of larger powers. Yeah. It's like what what traps a lot of soldiers. It's like I want to defend my mother, right? It's like it's like these good instincts like I I want to provide for my family.
65:27I have to pay this thing blah blah. And so my thing was like live way under your means and then you're like totally free, right? Because I'd see these people that that like one of my best friends up there drives a a concrete truck, you know, just hourly wage, has like six kids, totally happy. He just like slowly built his house, owns his little piece of land. Like you can totally do it. How is he happy with an hourly wage? Don't you have to be rich to be happy? Exactly. Exactly. That's the scam. What do you mean a scam? The scam. the spell of of money. It's not even money, it's currency.
66:00It's like money is gold and silver in the constitution, right? So, it's like it's like all these word swap outs like money legal tender is not a dollar, that's a debt note. Yeah. Right. So, and if you can print the token that says you're a good person and you don't have control of printing it, then it's a rigged game. And so, if you're if you're accumulating actual wealth, which is, you know, trust, that's why it was called a bank and trust. Trust is wealth. When you can have that fluid economy where you know you'll have like you can just quickly move and change and grow without having to constantly validate every line of every contract because you don't trust each other.
66:41That's what creates uh poverty. And so I'm looking at what I consider wealth, which is like land, like, you know, morality, children, respect, and then and then craftsmen can just build these beautiful things that in LA would be like a billion zillion dollars, you know? I'm like that table that you just made with like a chainsaw and polish would be like nine grand to like a gay LA guy. Yeah. Like literally, I I thought about I'm like, should I bring this stuff to LA? I'm like, I don't even want to go back. But like the the the amount of wealth from skills was insane. And so I'm having this like and meanwhile online people are like, "Oh, he's a cult leader." That was the
67:20whole thing. It's like it's a cult. If anybody supports you when you're not in the mainstream, it's got to be a cult. I'm like, "Why? Cuz people like me." How are you still reaching people? Well, I like what are the mechanics of continuing to broadcast when you've been cancelled to the extent? Well, I kept just making new accounts on Instagram and stuff. Like I'd just make a new account. I'd get up like the number would go up, they'd wipe it, I'd just make another account.
67:46People would all that it built the community and I didn't realize it cuz they'd all be like, "How are we all going to stay in touch for wherever Owen is next?" So, they start meeting each other like that. It it all backfires. So, then I make my own app, the Bertari Times app, where we just build our own app. And and it's ironic cuz I have more censorship than anywhere. It's just the the right censorship. There's no swearing. There's no arguing. There's no like attack. It's just the good, the true, the beautiful. It's like family, businesses. I'm like, that's what censorship should be. It's not censoring the truth about a spell, you know? And so people join there and we
68:23start having meetups all over. That's why they called me a cult leader cuz people are actually meeting up with each other and we're having a good time physically. Physically, I said because I kept reverse engineering wizard spells. I'm like, they want to make reality digital. Let's make digital reality cuz it always goes both directions. Interesting. So what are the mechanics of that?
68:43Like what does that mean? It just means like like where did you meet? We would just have meetups.
68:47We would So during co right in the beginning I saw how they were shutting down all the clubs, all the theaters. That's why the the best revenge is just God's revenge. Just let it happen. Yeah.
68:56Like all those comics that were calling me a man of hate. They were all out of work that you know it's like all the clubs canceled. like everywhere that canceled me, they all were shut down for like 2 years. And that's when I was like, I can't do that. Like that's just the the natural cycle of God's like plan will always make it way more revengey, but it's not like bitter. You're like, whoa. Right. That dude that sold out, I'm like, the devil hates his servants. Like, you can't win that game. The devil hates his servants. And it's not about agreeing with me at all. It's about like are we both attempting to find the truth which is outside of our own will. Yes. Yes. Right. And
69:36that's the distinction between a narcissist and a normal healthy person is do you acknowledge that the truth exists outside of you. Yeah. The truth remains constant no matter what you do or say. Yeah. Like we don't decide the truth. We can like have a subject I understand why people say my truth. It's like based on my upbringing, my interpretation of the elephant as a blind man, right? like it didn't make it so narcissism even a coping mechanism of trauma. So like I couldn't hate them. I'm like why are they like this? You know I agree. And it was because of like, you know, I can't let myself get too too like sympathetic where my nervous system is like,
70:15I want to help you because then you get trapped. But my empathy is like, oh, it's just really important to be good parents cuz like somebody made you not trust the flow. You know, someone hurt you. How did you get so emotionally balanced? How did you get this much perspective?
70:30That's the f I'm going to tell my wife that and she will laugh. I'm going to be like, Tucker, asked me how I got so emotionally balanced. I don't know. Oh, I mean, no. No, but it's funny cuz I just know a lot of people who've been through v, you know, variations of what you've been through and they don't arrive where you arrive. It's funny maybe because of my lack of balance in the moment cuz that's funny because of like I can go in all directions. Yes. I think I allow myself to do that. I don't create the scar tissue so I can actually stay stable because I just allow myself to like feel something and then like go through it, you know, interesting. Yeah. versus
71:04like holding on to it and then you know that's what narcissism is. It's like how do we create a delusion bubble to justify this thing that I have to hold on to cuz I'm afraid. Yes. Yeah. There's fear at the center of it. Fear at the center of it. Yeah. Because imagine if you're like, you know, there's truth and there's force, right? There's like if you have a so so someone comes in your room at night and beats you up randomly, you have to start thinking about how to control them, right? Like when you're very young, you're like this world is vicious. I have to control things or else I will be hurt. Correct. Versus like what did I learn from that beating? How do I
71:41grow to like be you right? There's two roads. And so I'm blessed that although my childhood had its challenges. Uh I I'll always give respect to my parents for allowing me to have like a a safe enough feeling where I didn't get that scar tissue, you know, because that's that's awesome.
72:00Just cuz I look at people and I'm like, "Just let it flow, man. It'll it'll be okay." And they're like, "Whenever I let things happen, I feel so much pain." Like, but they don't know it yet anymore cuz they're calloused, you know? They can't feel it. Why do we call narcissism narcissist after narcissists? Like, it's self- loveve. It's not self- loveve. Not love. They do the same trick with the gay stuff. That's why I like that you say sodomy. Yeah. Because love, you know, like we become friends. I love Tug. I love him so much. I'm going to encourage him not to engage inside of me, right? It's like that's not love. That's an that's a a compulsion. That's
72:31an act. Yes. Like love like there was there were signs I saw that's like love is love and that's supposed to justify deviant sexual behavior. And it's deviant because it causes damage. Like I can define it. Like it's not because it's not me. It's because it causes damage. Like people can't consent to a level that they should or the the the two males like they're reliving trauma that it's about like I have male goats. Like the sodomy is not love. It's about dominance for a goat because that male is going to impregnate everybody, right? It's like prison stuff. And so love is love. No, you're it's lust is not love. Yes. Cuz I have lusts, right? I've had lusts. It's like that's not
73:10love. I mean, love sex can be very loving and but it's kind of like uh gluttony and uh and you know, healthy eating, you know? It's like nobody, the great Nor McDonald, my favorite standup of all time, he said, "Ah, nobody's ever said, uh, I want to make love to your ass." So true. It's not loving. No, it's not. And so I didn't even see it until it went to the kids. That's when I was like, I see it now. I was like the they live glasses cuz before I was like, Yeah. Cuz I don't like bullies. Yes. So I'm like, who's going to tell two gay guys they can't have a good life? Like I cuz I was thinking they were the bully and then I was like and then I started experiencing marriage and
73:51I experienced what the male female bringing child. I'm like oh that's not marriage. They just want to discount it like a department store. Like what is this? You know I'm like and and you're not helping them by saying it's marriage, right? Like to say oh yeah that's marriage. No it's not. Marriage is about creating life. Like even if you don't create life, like you can be married and not have kids together, but like that union is like the most special thing in the world. Yes, it is. Yeah. It's like the three with you have God, man, woman, man, woman, child. It's like this beautiful thing. And
74:22I'm sorry it's not going to come out of an ass. No, I know. And I know that sounds comedically vulgar and that's when people get mad, but it's cuz it's so honest. Yes. And vulgarity comes from vulgate, which means of the people. And a lot of people can't afford to speak in that ariodite way where no one feels anything. Where it's like, oh, someone can indulge in, you know, like they speak in a way where you don't feel it. Yes. Versus people have jobs where machines are loud and they're stressed and they're like they just say it as fast and as clearly as possible. Yes. And it spikes emotion, which is good for for comedy. Like I'm not going to say any big words here out
74:57of respect because I don't want to spike anyone's emotions, right? But in my craft of comedy, that is it's like it's like a note on a piano. Like that will help me do a joke because like words have a charge. It's just electricity. It doesn't have an intention. It's like in spells they call it a sigil where you charge a logo like like a Nike swoosh. You put all these images to it.
75:18So when people see it, they feel something. Yes. And words are like that too. So you have this raw energy is released with a word and every culture has a different word, you know, like think about it. There's there's languages we don't speak and if you say that word right Oh, I've done it. Yeah.
75:33Or where they think it's super funny. Like I have Russian friends. There's this it's like gal boy.
75:37Galu boy. It means blue boy. Blue boy we don't want to play with you which is like gay boy. And I didn't know what it meant but my Russian friend had me like figure it out and they'll die laugh cuz they know I have no idea what it means. But in their world like that would cause I'll give you an example. In college, I go into this dude's dorm room and there's a giant swastika on the wall, right? And I'm like, who's going to tell him he's like a brown guy, right? And it turns out it's like a Hindu symbol. So, it's like the swastika is in like every culture. It's like the big dipper going around Polaris. And he's like, "Oh, hey, my friend." I'm like, "Dude, you got a swastika on
76:12your wall." And he's like, "Oh yeah, the great, you know, Shiva, whatever it is." And I'm like, "Oh my god, that mean that would mean something totally different to Ben Shapiro." Right? It's a charge. Like you've been programmed to feel something with that. And that's why different cultures have different words. Like in LA, from my culture, that's very blue collar is a step up for most of my friends, you know? So, it's like these words don't cause this reaction, right?
76:38And so they'd be like, "How dare you?" I'm like, "I don't I don't know where you're from, man. I'm trying to be nice. Like, what's the word I should say?" Okay. And then they're like, I don't know.
76:47I'm like, I don't know either. So, like that's why the comedian discharges this this stress. Yes. So, that's why I will use a very intense word because I'm like, let's let's figure this out. Discharge the stress because uh wizards need that emotion. Like, use a word. Like, imagine telling Alex Jones he's not a patriot. Like, like that would work on him. He'd be like, "No, patriot. Are you kidding me? I self male vitality." like he gets so freaked out by that cuz he's like patriot patriot right and he would not get mad at like I've done this to him he has a great sense of humor which is why I I
77:21like like Hillary Clinton's not he's not allowing you to be have a proper erection you're going to need he dies laughing cuz it's like that's what I mean I'm like just riffing with him and so like for him that word would mean a lot so like let's say tolerant like you tell a certain person you're not tolerant they'd be like I'm like tolerant the t- word right and so cuz it's charged in their world like toler Tolerant is like you have to be so tolerant in my world that's called permission, right? It's like you don't get to violate my space. Honor culture. Yes. Yeah. What is Can you define that? Honor culture. Yeah. It's like it's kind of like um it's like the boundary
77:57issue is a big cultural divide where it's like tolerance is this is why I had a hard time at first with forgiveness. So I turned the other cheek stuff because I viewed it as codependence and permission. Yes. when it's not. It's just it's forgiveness is more about yourself and it's the broad it doesn't mean you you you permit the behavior. No, but you're forgiving and you're you're releasing it from yourself. Exactly. And that was huge cuz I used to be like forgiveness.
78:22No, you don't let these people and so they a lot of that culture uh does not like boundaries at all. So it's like whenever there's a boundary, something sacred to somebody, they have to cross it because it's like like I don't make fun of people's religions directly. It's like if you tell me something's sacred, I will respect that. If you don't know that it's a s if if it's crossfit and you don't know it's your religion, you're about to find out, right? Cuz that it's like an idol that people are developing that don't. But if someone's like, "Dude, this is sacred to me." I'm like, "No problem." Like sacred to me, as long as someone's aware of it, I But but a lot of other
78:58people like that other culture, it's like sacred means hit it like beautiful, right? Family like cross those boundaries. So an honor culture is a culture that takes those boundaries seriously.
79:10Yeah. Private is is very important because in the honor culture it's God, man, government, corporation. There's a hierarchy. Yes. And there's an inversion of that where it's corporation, government, man, and then God is money or dollars, right? So it's completely the opposite. So the corporations rule the government, the government rules the man. When in reality, that isn't it at all. government is the management of man's declaration to God's mer Yeah. You know, you obviously know all this and it's like so you can see it so clearly and that is what what I learned just from trying to do standup comedy. It's like that's why I'm so hopeful oddly is because just
79:53committing to what you're doing cuz it's prayer to do anything good, right? Yeah. It's like a carpenter, someone working at a gas station. Like I used to be a janitor and I would take so much pride in that thing that I don't even care about. Like is prayer to do anything good? Yeah. So there there are all kinds of throughout the Bible all kinds of commands phrased differently but all with the same message which is pray without ceasing. There's a famous one in Paul's epistles, but it's there's a bunch of them. What does that mean? Pray without ceasing. How can you go about your daily life? How can you earn a living? How can you feed your children if you're if you're
80:25constantly in prayer? And maybe that's getting toward the answer. It is a form of prayer to do something good and beautiful. Yeah. Because a fish doesn't know it's wet, right? So a lot of I think Americans and certain Western cultural people don't realize what it's like to not have respect for the good, the true, the beautiful, symmetry, beauty, like something that exalts the soul, right? And so if you're contributing to that, that's prayer. That's that's that's worshiping God because that's outside of us. like that symmetry, that thing that just shows you like the laugh of a child. Like like that's like to like when I was showing you the pics of my camp or like the farm,
81:02you're like so many people would be like, "Dude, haven't you heard of a grocery store?" Like they don't see it. Where it's like the perfection of a tomato growing with a 100 seeds in it that can grow 10,000 tomatoes. Like to me, that's prayer. Or the paths you built through the woods. As a path builder, I appreciated yours are way nicer than mine, but the care you took to build paths, walking paths through tree growth through the woods. That I mean I don't know how long that took you to do that, but that was very those were not they were more than utilitarian. Yeah. No, you were just clearing brush out of the way. Yeah. No, I'm just I act like if I get down or if I
81:40feel you know things can be stressful. There's so many lies happening like there's scops constantly and it's like I I I we joke that I have to toil. Yes. Because if I'm building something beautiful, I feel hope immediately. Like I just start feeling hope and I'm sweating and and that's in the Bible.
81:57That's why I keep telling people just have a garden even if it's on your window sill. You know, it's like cuz it says, you know, so many of these metaphors are about, you know, wheat and chaff and goats and sheep and it's like you know them by their fruits. It's like think about tasting someone's wine like Thomas Jefferson or these guys. Like you taste wine, you have to run like a an awesomely moral society to have the vines grow and time it with the wood. The wood maker has to make the barrel and the and not and having the impulse control and not drink it right. And so you taste the logos of it, right? So so it's like the wine represents the same with the bread.
82:34That's why cuz I went through a period where I was like I don't flesh and blood. This sounds a little dark and and then you realize in context people are actually eating people at the time and bread is like the the flesh of all creation that like man can with God's creation make something so beautiful. It's like don't eat people eat bread, right? And same with like the blood is of the grape becomes the wine. And it's like I was like oh my god it's actually awesome, you know? And so I got really into like I have grapes. I don't think I'd make very good wine yet, but I'm working on it. So, you wind up um in Idaho. Yeah. Buying this spot, this little farm, and h how do you
83:18keep working from there? How do you do that? Well, this I just me and Vox started unauthorized.tv. We keep getting kicked off payment processors. It's this whole behind to this day. Yeah, we've gotten better at it, though. Like, there's been a release a bit. I think that because that's the thing. It doesn't take a lot of people to to push back to not even to do anything to them just to say no.
83:40Like the real N word is no, right? Yeah. Ex. And so so if there's just cuz resistance in a light is what makes the light. You need that resistance. Like what what stops what kind of slows down the voltage releases the light. So so we're just we just keep saying onward, you know? It's like we get no one's having more fun than us, right? It's like persistence is fertile. Like just build it.
84:01Like I keep flipping all these slogans and we just keep rocking and things just keep falling into place. So I I get kicked off a payment processor again. So stressed out. One of my buddies, the guy was making fun of for the jazz. Awesome guy. He's like, "Let's record an album." Cuz he's a sound genius. So I record a classical album. We put it out. It goes on the Billboard for like classical music. People are like, "Can you teach me?" I start teaching piano. So, it's like that starts being my job for a bit where I'm just teaching piano. I'm still doing podcasts and comedy and I'm just like it just kept working out and I'm like this is flow. Like this is what I think people
84:40mean with spirit where did your wife have faith the whole time? Yeah. Yeah. Like times when I was spiraling like there'd be times when I was like this one time. So, I have this this farm and this orchard and these animals and I'm working so hard and I feel like I'm protecting my family and that can even be an idol, right? Cuz that's that's a hard one to see. Oh, I've had this. Yeah. And so, I'm getting a legal, you know, they're they're doing some some stuff and I'm like, I could lose.
85:09And so, I'm getting down because I'm like, I won't be able to provide for my family. And Amy's like, we we used to live in the corner of that barn. We could live in a van. And she's like, "You wouldn't have to milk the cow anymore." And I'm like, she's I'm like, "You would." And and I think this is why I'm emotionally stable. I will say the things I think guys bury. I'm like, "You'd still love me, you know?" And she's like, "Owen, like I don't love you for your pear tree, you know?" And I was like, cuz what I loved was my family. And so all these other things I think are are protecting, but it's just fruit. And so as soon as I made that that shift where I'm like, "Oh yeah, we could have
85:45a whole adventure with something else." And then like the the darkness like went away again. It was like all these things that are threatening me like something opens up and it's like I mean that happened. They were sending CPS to my house, right? Which is like my every father's complete nightmare. Oh, what crowns? Not like the most absurd lies ever. Like this is like a lot of the the darkness type vibe they use institutional weakness to Yeah. You know, I do. So, and I get it. I have a bunch of people in friends in law enforcement like just a claim anonymously like they have to look into it. Now, I now realize how much of a non-threat it is, but I'm not aware
86:24of CP. Like, I don't know what how CPS works. Like, I'm not from that world, you know? And so, just the threat of that, I start pacing. I'm stressed, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, and I dude, I pray the threat of having your children taken away. I mean, come on. I still remember that prayer. Actually, it was on my knees like praying like and and the prayer was like, "Just give me the strength." And my wife just kept going, "But you're a good father." And I'm like, "I know, but like what if?" And she just kept going, "But you're a good father." And I'm like, "But if they" and then I just started believe I'm like and then I realized that I'm just here to take care of my
86:57kids, dude. This is when stuff gets intense. I'm like, they're gods, right? I'm like, I'm honored to be their caretaker while I'm here. And I was freed from that spell because I I was like, I'm the one who provides and protect. Yes. Right. And so every time these things like these horrifying things kept happening, I'm like, "Oh my god." Like it's all and then it again just went away and they were like, "Oh, we're really sorry." Because what happens is my fear could have triggered more and more and more. Yes. Right. That's why Jesus kept saying, "Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid." Cuz like if hey, why are you here? Who sent you? Blah blah blah. You know,
87:35like then it's like, "Oh, he's very hostile acting blah blah blah." Right. And so those ill illusions spells and that's why I'm like and the more I learned the more I was like I want to show this to people because when you're given stuff like gifts and stuff you have to be like how can I like cuz I see so many people falling for this stuff and I'm like this is how they do it. It's all perception management like Wizard of Oz. Wizard of Oz was such a truth drop. It's all it's all about I think it's about the dollar. What does that mean? Like follow the yellow brick road to the green place where the wizard is lying. It's gold a golden road, right? Yes. Yeah. It's like the original
88:12slippers were silver. You you click the silver slippers and you go back to Kansas. Meanwhile, the green back is like it's really just an old grabler behind a a little curtain. And then he's like, and then when he's like, "Here, you're smart. Here's a square for your head." And it shows you how they do it. It's all the approval. Like, you're brave. Here's a medal. like that world is of of like these little trinkets that make you think you're proud or you're brave, but it's he's like, "Oh, now I'm brave." It's like, "No, that that it was like such a truther movie." And then it inflates the balloon inflation takes him away and he's like, "I don't know how it works." And he flies
88:48off. Does How does it work? I'm not fully I just The principle I know I don't know the details like I can't make I've also learned not to make a ton of claims like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Cuz I'll see a lie and cuz I don't know. Actually, in a lot of cases, I can spot a lie. Yeah, me too. But then I'll be like, "Oh, it must be this. This is the 9/11 problem. This the building 7 problem. I have literally no idea what that I mean I have all kinds of you heard a lot of things." No. All I know is your version is a lie. That's all. Yeah. All I know is it's how much ladle.tv is a month. Yeah. So, so yeah, like the fundamental is something from nothing is a spell,
89:27right? So, I always watch for that. something from nothing. Usery. Yeah. Like cocaine is biological usery. You get your energy now, pay it back with interest. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like like like virtue status. Is that true? Like virtue status as a Christian as and then everyone's like, "Oh, he's a great guy." And then they they are cowards with everything. Like it's usery and then you're like, "Ah, I paid you virtue earlier." You know what I mean? It's like, "No, you have to do it."
89:51And then the more you're actually living it, the more it's like fundamental wealth. It doesn't get pulled away. Yes. Cuz I mean, read the Old Test. It just keeps writing. It's like, ah, here we go. Something for nothing. Oh, boy. Not again. We're sorry. Oh, boy. Something for nothing. Oh, we're really sorry. It's like just that lesson over and over. And I see it in myself where it's like I don't des cuz I I kept being okay with people. I'm like, they don't owe me anything cuz I I used to have a problem with credit with like my jokes. I'm like, I need credit for that joke.
90:21I wrote it six years before that. And I and then I started being like the word is credit. What does that mean? Who am I getting credit from? Right? And then because the prayer is doing it because it's good and my ego is like because I don't need I don't even want fame. I but I I do have a thing with respect and like like having other people in my field respect me for being good at my thing, right? So, I have that. And I was like, "No, but I wrote these big jokes that these other comedian I mean, people have made tons of videos about it, like side by side. Like, they they just started taking my bits like vultures." And um and then I was like, I don't need credit from I
90:59did I It's like Field of Dreams. Did you Is that why you did it? Right. Yeah. Right. It's like, did you do it for credit? From who? No, you did it because it's the right joke. It's good. It really Yeah. And like and then I'm like, "Oh my god, that's where all the power is." And then I wanted to tell everybody and then people would say that I was full of hate, but it's okay. So, what brings you joy now in your life? That's the thing. A ton of stuff brings me joy. Like tons of things. Like it's like that that's why I think the biblical thing is like um and and by the way, that's not a religious book or political book. Like I don't go in those realms because like I'm
91:36not a theological expert or anything but I have lived a lot of these things. So it's like like the joy of a child but wise like a like all that stuff is real like you get the joy of a child again you know where you're like dancing with your kids and you feel better than doing Carnegie Hall you know.
91:51Yes. Yes. And or cocaine for that right. Exactly. Yeah. It's like are you sure you don't want to be up till 5 a.m. with strangers coming up with bad business ideas? Yeah. like seeing my wife, you know, I've been to, you know, I'm sure you've been all these like restaurants with the best food in the world. Like have my wife like with butter that I milk with the like that like her making it, it like tastes so much better. Like just simple little things like just like yogurt and and maple syrup and it's just like Yeah. And that's like the Muslims say that that God will present you heaven. It looks like heaven, but it's hell and hell that looks like heaven. Yes. And I was like,
92:31man, that's intense. And just saying that, like people would be like, oh, that means you love terrorism. You know, I'm like, what? No, a true thing. They can't see that either cuz they're so like they're so of a lie. They're so hiding that it's like, no, that's just a true thing, though.
92:46Like they can all spot a true thing, right? Yes. Instantly, you can. It's It sounds different.
92:50Yeah. Like I could quote I could come up with like Hinduism, a lot of it makes no I don't like casts like a lot of it makes no sense to me. And some of this stuff I'm like, "Woo, that's a really interesting, you know, cuz it's true, right? You can feel it." And and the sad part is, and this is when I got a lot more chill because I'm like, "They can't feel that." Like that's sad.
93:10And so I remember that when I feel disgust when they're like doing their their antics and it's like it's almost like they're blind where you're like mad at a blind person, you know? I'm like, "Oh." Oh, and that's why I'm like terrified of even little lies because that's to me like the worst case scenario is you start you start these little lies. You know, there's lies that everyone can do like not wicked people like you don't want to hurt someone's feelings. You want to avoid a punishment, right? And then before you know it, you have to back up those lies and then you have to back and then you become so exhausted. I think like demon possession stuff happens when you're
93:47like super exhausted and sad, right? So you're like your bandwidth is getting run down. You're like all these lies. You're you're just keeping going. You're spinning the plates and then you're like you're just you're like I don't want to. This is There's a lot of people I think that are just they they left their cockpit, you know? They're like not Yeah. And that's that's why I try to like give people advice to give them more energy. Like I'm always like after listening to me, I hope you feel more energy than like drained, you know, because having that energy keeps the I think keeps a lot of bad spirits out. Before I just before I forget, you said something at the outset
94:22that I've been thinking about. Um and you said it last night, but I didn't fully understand it. You said that you're opposed to jazz because it breaks the rules. Now, you're a classically trained pianist. Yeah. What What does that mean? It's it's a behavior. So, it's like uh like for example, when Bitcoin was presented to me, I didn't like the behavior that they're making dollars from it, right? When they're like, "Dude, you can make tons of I'm" I'm like, "I thought you're replacing dollars." Like, "Let's get let's get on the same boat here." Yes. You know, I'm like, "If you want to replace dollars, stop valuing it in dollars and chasing it and bragging about all your dollars,
94:57right?" And so, the behavior of jazz is like, "Oh, this is what sounds beautiful. Let's like break it, you know?" And and that's why I don't think Bitcoin's evil because a tool can't be evil, but that behavior is evil. Like I can't say jazz is evil. It's the culture of like because I understand that maybe there's something about it that I'm not understanding, but like the the of like transgression is good is the problem. Transgression against what? Against the symmetry of of music. That that might be subjective, but I don't think it is. I didn't know that there was symmetry in music. Yeah. Like canon and D where you have So I think it's literal. So
95:33you have the waves like dissonance versus harmony. Yes, you can measure it, I think. So you have like they've banned chords in the in the dark ages, which I think might have been the light ages.
95:43I think so too. Starting to suspect that. No, there's it's it was called the devil's chord. It's this diminished chord that sounds so like awful that they used to ban it. Like you couldn't play the chord cuz it would bum people out, right? Like the blues, there was a time when people were like, "No, this makes people feel like [ __ ] and sad." You know? It's like it does have these effects on people and so when you're like Canon and D every woman loves that for their wedding song cuz it's like this it's it's like a perfectly symmetrical song. Can you hum it so people recognize it?
96:18It's it's a scale this Christmas. Give her what she's wanted all year. Right. And that's how they manipulated with it. Get her a Lexus cuz the Toyota that's the same car is not as much love. You know, the music spells are nuts. Like a lot of those those songs that we all thought were just fun songs. Especially like Bruce Springsteen, it's like, "Hey little girl, is your daddy home?
96:42I'm on fire." It's like what? Hey little girl, is your daddy home? He left you all alone. I'm on fire. H right. You're just like dude, what is that? But the music makes you feel like it's an honest guy singing about his day, you know, and you're like, you listen to the lyrics. That's like one of the biggest spells is you have the music, there's no continuity. That's why I love songs with continuity where it's like the music matches what the words are saying, you know? Do certain chords have a universal effect? Can does anyone on any human from any culture respond the same way to certain sounds? Yeah, certain uh ratios. So like I don't know some people claim that certain keys are
97:24better for different emotions but it's the it's the same 12 notes that that boach the welltempered kir because I had to make a decision. They used to tune a piano in one key like this piano's F.
97:36So you could only play that key and everything else was horribly awful. So they made a few tiny concessions to make it so you could play in all these different keys because it's actually a curve so they're all slightly different. Yes. So Bach who's the man by the way like that dude just the math the symmetry it's insane but he you know he they developed the the current scale like there was you know Pythagoras had his own scale like everyone had their own scale and so some people claim that certain keys sound differently but for me it's just the ratio of of like how the chords are matched because each one like relatively you're just moving every key right yeah like
98:16these are the type of things I teach in the piano class is more just like how it shapes with nature, you know, where it's like the music of it is it makes you feel certain things because the like the sound wave if they're dissonant, it's like waves that that get like this versus they're all going in unison. Like when you see when you just see like ballet like they're all going at the same thing, you feel harmonic versus this and Yeah. And so that's why I think I can when waves crash into each other, it makes you anxious. Yes. Yes. And it's just so interesting. I don't think most non-M musicians experience music on a very shallow yet profound level. It's the universal
98:57language though. That's why I'm like, but you're feeling it all the time in so many movies without the soundtrack, you wouldn't feel the same way about them. And shows laugh tracks that shows the group agrees. Yes. Ah, the group agrees. So I guess I'm the weird one. And and that's not bad. That doesn't make you stupid. Like you're trying to fit in. Like that's how a lot of cultures survived winters. Like you didn't you didn't want to be kicked out. Of course not.
99:21And so that's why just you know the Sunzoo thing like know your enemy and the enemy is you know the part of yourself that might covet it. But also just know that it's possible to weaponize your empathy you know. Yeah. I've noticed. And that's why the more people do that the the better it is for everyone you know cuz certain types of people shouldn't be in charge. They don't know how to handle it. Yes. It's like when the Red Sox first won and they still rided. Yeah. Like it's like, "No, you won." They're like, "Yeah, but we we burned cars." Like we're, you know, I'm like 2004. I'll never forget it. Yeah. They were st cuz I had I was like,
99:59"Why are you not happy you won?" And you know, there's certain foreign policies like that. Oh, the neocons were even madder at me when they got their war with Iran. I know. And you're trying to help them. You're like, "If you keep doing this, you can't mathematically ever win.
100:16And they're like, "Yeah, that's why it's so interesting because I know you're like the the truth in any way or even just the attempted truth will help the other person." Yes. Yeah. What kind of people have you met since your life has changed so completely? That's I I'm in a bubble. I mean, everyone has like a ton of kids. Like people are like I love my friends. Like they're there's just that's why I don't relate to a lot of stuff because my friends are like I'm telling you man out there it's crazy. Like everyone, no one has kids, everyone's depressed, they have like orange hair. I'm like, "Oh man, like that sounds awful." But where I live,
100:51it's like it's beautiful. Do you, as you see, do you follow the drama in the world and to Yeah, cuz I I feel like it's my obligation to release stress with it cuz I've thought about never engaging in any of the nonsense. And I have people be like, "Dude, you help me get off like pills. Like, please do the the thing you do." cuz I'll like see the thing and I'll make fun of it and then there's all this spiraling and I'm like I don't have to do this but people are like no that helps me laugh when I want to cry and then over time they start seeing how it works you know do you feel so there's a feeling I think a lot of people have that like the current order is coming to an end I
101:30I share that feeling but on what basic like it's always the assumptions like what order right well exactly that's why I'm asking you the question the debt cycle doesn't look great you know what I like like the the the global uh you know the the the reserve currency, all that stuff. Yeah. But it's like change hurts, but don't you kind of want to learn how to make a shoe, you know? No, but that's isn't that that's the nightmare scenario where you actually have to do something, right? But that that'll be the best thing. I mean, they're clinging on to the thing that's making them feel the fear about the thing. It's like this awful loop, right? That's always the case,
102:08isn't it? Happens to me all the time. Like it's not like I'm not aware of that. I just learned how that works. You're afraid to stop doing the thing that's making you miserable. Yeah. Because you're like, "Oh, it's all coming in America." I'm like, "Dude, what what are you afraid of?"
102:22Like the current system is saying it's beautiful for someone a child to cut off their penis. Like it's all a plus, right? It's like we don't want some like something for nothing degrades the uh civilian. So it's like that's the whole principle of something for nothing where it's like if you can print your way out of sin, you don't have to address it, right? And so it hurts and it's going to hurt, but it's like the good hurt. And if you found that to be true in your own personal Yeah. Because it's also just faith. Like could I be wrong? Sure. It could just be like but everything I've seen up until this point, you know, it's almost like saying God's wrong
103:01if doing the right thing leads to the end. Right. Right. which I'm just not like that's where can I prove it with facts? No. But like I do have that faith like I just believe that and so I'll I'll be like I know that's faith but it comes from a it doesn't come from childhood dogma like from my past I like kept seeing these patterns you know. Yes. Where it's like the the whisper to get you to do the bad thing isn't the thing helping you. No it's killing you. Yeah. It's like who is your master? Who is your provider and protector? Like really ask yourself that because we make idols out of nonsense all the time. Like what? Like being kicked off an app that I didn't know existed 3
103:42years before is like the worst thing ever, right? It's like I have a theory that the whole internet is because the debt cycle is already done and they need infinite surface area to keep it going. Like it's all imaginary. I think that you know how like math gets imaginary. Yes. I think that it's like once you start doing the interest, you never will have enough money to pay it back. So eventually it's going to hit a wall. Yes. And they're like, "Okay, let's create a world of infinite walls with electricity." And then it's to the point where they're like, "We're running out of electricity."
104:16Right. And so it's like eventually either everyone sees it or unfortunately not everyone sees it and we just have to go on with our lives and it's a bummer for them. But like you can't win that game.
104:31You can't have something for nothing. That's what abracadabra and fiat means. What does abracadabra mean? Like I I speak it into existence. Like I I say it and it's real. And there is something to that but it requires trust. where like the world has dreamers and I'm all about that where it's like where people speak these beautiful things that haven't happened and people start doing them like I understand that but you can't deceive people with it because the the the workers the people that are doing it have to trust you and that's how it works and so the trust is gone now and that's why it's not even about it's not even necessarily about like foreign policy and
105:08all this I'm like dude you got to stop lying man or they're not going to follow you anymore that's That's why there like money can't save you. It's like that trust from a general to his guys like you can't be like I don't believe your words like you run like in war they run away. So it's like think about econom the real war is economic you know it's like because I was I studied all this in Czech Republic like I I wanted to know how do these numbers of people die and it's typically supply chain breakdown starvation disease. So, it's like that's why I'm always like really into showing people how to just have even minimal gardens, local communities,
105:45because that's how you save lives in war. It's really not as uh guns and bombs as people think.
105:51It's like supply chain breakdown, dependent people, they can't access food and clean water, and that millions die from that. So, don't get me wrong, I might sound super hopeful, but I think there's so many dependent people that it could go really bad, you know? And that's why and and so I learned that from the CPS thing. I'm just going to do as best as I can because I'm not a savior. I'm not God. Like, I would get sad when I'm like, how the hell am I going to educate all these people on this trick, you know? And I it's not my job. I just have to do my job the best I can. So, what you've referred to spells, tricks, wizards. You wrote a book, How to Slay a Wizard.
106:27What's a wizard? How do you slay him? And why would you want to? It's a great question. So, a wizard it like rhetoric isn't bad. Like I like Aristotle. Like rhetoric is Yeah. It just has to aim at the truth, right? If it aims the opposite direction, you're a wizard. So wizard is all about uh deception where let's say we're get we're going to start a business together. I want you to know everything as much as possible so that you can make the best decision versus I'm hiding something so that you make a decision that benefits me and not you and all the words and tricks and behaviors that allows them to do that. That's what a wizard is. So it's basically someone who specializes in
107:08deception. Yes. Is there a metaphysical quality to it? A supernatural element there. Yeah. Yeah, I think there absolutely is. Yeah, I do too. I don't quite know how that works, but yeah, I mean, I can see the because it's it's trying to appeal to someone's lower nature in a sneaky way. Like if you look at slogans, right? Like uh obey your thirst. Yeah. Kind of intense when you think about it, right? Kind of intense. Yeah. Or like the best a man can get, not your kids. It's to have a shaved face, right? Or like or like what's another one? Uh once you pop, you can't stop. Well, Pringles, that sounds an awful lot like heroin, right? So, it's like all these things are like
107:53appealing to that lower nature of permission and it almost gives you that thing where you're like, "Yeah, I mean, obey my third, you know, and you don't think it's and so that's operating in a spiritual realm in my opinion cuz it's not even conscious people." And then the the alliteration certain twilight language like like words that sound so close to something else. Yes. that it like you feel that other thing, you know, like a lot of names are like that. Like Ellen Degenerate, Bernie Maid off with your money, you know? It's like that's a who's the only guy that survived AIDS? Magic Johnson, right? Wizard Penis survived AIDS, you know? And you're like, I can't I'm like
108:35you. How do you logistically do that? I'm like, okay, it I mean, it's happening. Greg Lou Ganis and Wizard Weiner, they're the AIDS guys. Okay, that's spiritual. Like that's so insane, right?
108:48Like Greg Lou Ganis and Magic Johnson. Yeah. At a certain point, we don't need to understand how it works to just stand back and marvel at it. Anthony Weiner. Yeah. Exactly. Right.
109:00It's like what? The Pentagon is in the shape of a pentagram and was dedicated on September 11th, 1941. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like I don't need to know how it works to know that they're doing it. Yeah. that there's that's not Yeah. And so and so I've seen truthers go down these rabbit holes of trying to figure out everything. And I that's not my path. I'm like fundamentals. You're not broken. God didn't make a mistake. Don't have something for nothing. And that'll help people see signs of it because once people are like, "Oh, on the full moon with the number 33, I'm like, dude, you can't figure it out. Just like be good." You know what I mean? Well, so how do you break the
109:36spells? It's like it's so simple that people almost don't believe it. It's like gratitude, toiling, love, service. Like the more you think about service to others and less about like what's going to happen to you in the future, the more you realize that you're in a safer position. You know, it's like like people think that like moral people won't win because that's weak, right? Remember when Nanya was like Genghaskhan, you know, you need Gangaskhan, remember that?
110:03Yes. And it's like not Jesus, that's a you need Gang, you need a guy. No, no. Morality is super strong because when things hit the fan, you want the guy that is so trusted and has the service that you're better off with him alive, right? Imagine if you're like you treat people well, you have a farm, no one knows how to do it properly. Like they they now want to protect you and that's how actual communities form. Yes. It's not just like writing checks to Bono. Like that isn't you know what I mean? Like that of course that's the suckers like they're they're going to eat them alive because it's virtue signal. It's f it's uh communal narcissism, right? Look at
110:42me versus like you're the like all my breaks in Hollywood came from like being cool to the sound guy before he was an executive. That is that is Yes. Yes. Because they were like, "Oh, dude, Owen's a good dude." It was never the humiliation thing. That's why I wasn't in that world because I It would always be that. Mine was like ground up. It was like starting a starting my own show, doing comedy, creating a community. It was never like appealing to a casting director. Casting, right? Casting what? What what what response is feed the spell, feed the evil? Despair. That's why I can get intense about like I don't have anything personally against Nick Fentes. It's
111:23like don't spread despair because that creates the environment for the spells. It's like you want to get rid of mice, cover the feed. You're not going to get all the mice, right? Like be as responsible as you can. get in control of your emotions, like create a family, like have purpose, be grateful, and then it doesn't work. It's like, it's like if you go to Vegas and people are handing out strip club things, like you're like like you'll feel that way about everything once you get like that that thing that you don't want to lose. You know what I mean? It doesn't work on you. So, feeling despair, feeling defeated, feeling hopeless. Yeah. I mean, it's Sunzu. It's like
111:58if you get your enemy to like think they already lost, you win. Think about it. We are the lion thinking that we're a mouse. Yes. And it's like that's how you beat someone. That's the That's the wizard thing. It's like convincing the one making the dome, right? Like that he's the bad guy, that that's hate. Like, and dude, the craziest thing is when people internalize it. It's so sad cuz I've done that where I'm like, "Am I hurting people?" Yes. I've had this. Yeah. And I've really It was funny. I asked my wife because these people are like, "You're a narcissist. You're" Because I wouldn't comply, right? like you're selfish. You're selfish. And I'm like, "Don't they know if
112:35I do that, it makes everything worse?" But I asked my wife, I'm like, "Am I a narcissist? I keep and she's like, if you ask the question, you're not one." So, I wrote a joke. I was like, "I spent all day wondering if I'm self-absorbed, right?" It's like, so and so, like, if you're worried about being a narcissist, like, you're not one. But the but the people that usually internalize that are the ones that like aren't. The narcissists are would never call themselves that. No, it wouldn't even occur. No, cuz they they block any I mean, narcissism is always always about protecting some wound internally. Yeah. They can never admit they're they're wrong cuz something
113:11way early on they just got annihilated for that cuz they hate themselves and they they're very vulnerable. Yeah. Cuz it's shame, right? It's like imagine like you can't admit you're wrong. Like then all those things are never been released. How do you you you've referred to a community. That's how you think of your listeners? Yeah. A lot of them aren't, but a lot of them are. I got I was never even a community organizer. I'm kind of a commodin. Like I don't even You know what I mean?
113:37I just like do stuff alone. You live on a farm in Idaho? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm never like life at the party guy. Um but it just naturally happened cuz when I was banned, there'd be guys like, "Dude, I have a barn. You want to perform there?" And I'm like, "Yeah." And so that would naturally start building communities. And so, uh, and then doing homeschool, I realized that you have to do it for your kids. Like, you have to put them in all these, you know, like jiu-jitsu, violin, skiing, and then you just start working together. And cuz when you take away the the safety shoot, when you're like, it's on me to educate my kids, then you're like, "Oh, I have to build a
114:12community versus like, I'll put them in the yellow submarine, you know?" Exactly. And it's intense. I mean, it's daunting. My wife at first was like, "I don't know if I can be a teacher." I'm like, "Amy, you're like the smartest woman I've ever met." Like, they don't know, you know? I'm like, "You love our kids. Like, of course you can." I'm like, "Half my teachers were like drunk satists." I'm like, "The bar is like this high." No. How has it worked? Awesome. Really? Awesome. Yeah, cuz there it's like the trust is Sorry, I'm just laughing cuz I had drunk satis. Yeah, I was punished for being like Yeah. We could go on all day about that. That's like perfect. Yeah. That's why I used
114:53to listen to Pink Floyd's The Wall all the time. I'm like, "This is real." Like, yeah. No, totally.
114:57You and every other eighth grader. Yeah. Totally. And so, uh, and so, yeah, it's going really well because I see that you're making families, you know, like fish are in schools, you know, sheeper in herds. We're in families, you know, like kind comes from the word kin, you know, so it's like I I see like I would have loved to spend that much time with my brother and my parents. And um, you have four boys. I have four boys and they go to school together. Yeah. They're always It's We call it the Amish classroom and that's why the younger ones are like crushing because they've watched the whole time. Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. It's I've seen it. Yes. Yeah. It's like uh
115:32my two youngest just with violin and jiu-jitsu just immediat and and soccer just immediately and I'm like oh they've been watching since they were born. Yes. Because when you're doing like a truthoriented thing, it's just varying degrees. Like they can still understand it. They can understand the most complex thing if it's not a lie. Yes. And so they're like doing chores in the morning. You think lies are harder to understand? 100%. That's why when people intentionally speak with obfiscation like I could do that like I could get a thesaurus. Yeah. That's why me and Vox bonded cuz cuz he was like you sound very you know peasantlike but I know what you're doing. You're
116:09just being the most understood by as many people. Yes. Yeah. So when people are using these words to hide to like virtue signal that they're the smart boy, but you don't understand what they're saying, it's to have people shut off and go, I don't get it. You're smart. You do it. And then you're like, uh, that guy's definitely not right. He's been wrong about everything. Yes. They're like, yeah, but anti-isestablishmentarianism, you're like, speak clearly. Right. And so that's why I love when experts can speak clearly. I'm like, oh, you have a passion for it. Yes. And you probably have mastered the material. You can explain it in a way I could. Everything in nature makes sense. Like I
116:43I recently bought this uh this like old truck with a diesel engine. It's 99. Has like almost 400,000 miles. It doesn't break. Like all my truck friends are like my truck friends. Yeah. They're like, "This diesel engine, it can go a million miles. You have to." It was like a few grand. I was like, "No, it has almost 400,000 miles." They're like, "It has at least another 800,000." And so I finally am starting to understand cars. Like I don't know anything about like I I don't know anything because our cars are all digital. So it's like I you're always dependent and so I call this truck Melissa Ethridge because it just reminds me of like a strong mountain
117:19lesbian cuz it had a few stickers because it was a fe No, it's like hilarious. We call them tactical lesbians cuz there's a few of them that they have all the guns, you know, clearly they're just rebelling against some bad guy but they're hilar. So um so I'm finally like, "Oh, this makes sense." like he's explaining it to me and I'm like, "Oh, that's what a carburetor does. Oh, alternator. It's literally alternating versus like, oh, you'll never understand a truck.
117:44You have to get all this software and all this." I'm like, "Ah, it's a trap." So, this truck will run on like zombie flesh. You know what I mean? Like, like you can make diesel like you can just there's certain engines that if you understand the principles, you can make your own fuel. Cuz I that's another thing. I'm like, "Do we got to get horses?" I'm like, "I can't manage a horse, you know?" And then my other friend's like, "Dude, this diesel will run on literally tears."
118:12That's what I think a lot of fermentation was is making fuel. Really? I don't think the government really cared if people were drunk. You know what I mean? It's like I I can't That's again not a claim, but imagine you're a farmer and you can just make fuel with fruit. That's a still, right? Yeah. So controlling energy is a key to controlling key. Yeah. And that's why they're opening that up now again because they don't have enough for their like insane data nonsense. What is that insane data nonsense? The AI like what is the point of that? It's all the same lie. It's like replacing creation. Like they can they can replace people is that's why seeing people spiral
118:50about AI I'm like no I can use it. I get it. You know it makes great lists. It can like help with these tasks. I'm like you can't replace living men and women. Like every time there's a new invention they do this. It's like they did it with like the slinky, you know? They're like now we don't need people and so and so they're trying to do that and then they need all the people for all the infrastructure and all the energy and all like one of my friends once was like they're going to put everyone in a prison. I'm like how do the guards function? Who like where do they buy their groceries? Like you need a functional world to have a prison. You know what I mean? Like
119:23who's going to guard the prison? Like free people, right? Like how does that work if everyone's in a prison? So who can be a guard? competent people. Who are competent people? People that aren't on drugs and insane, right? So, it's like they need us way more than we need them. Like, there's that scene in that one movie where it's in a prison where it's like, I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me. Like, you don't know that yet. You know, it's like it's like, oh, the data. I'm like, you don't know how a toilet works, right? Like, you know that guy that you don't even see that fixes your toilet? Yeah. You need him a lot more than Grock.
120:00like to put breasts on a mouse. Like, yeah, that's great. Like, awesome, but like that's Yeah, I keep catching these the AI lying. I'm like, that's not true. They're like, "Oh, yes, you're right. That isn't true. Thanks for pushing back." I'm like, "I hate you." I do. I've never used it. But no, I'll like argue because some people the problem with AI with with narcissists is it creates this like feedback loop. Yeah. Where they're like, "No, tried that with me. It's like your comedy is unprecedented." I'm like, "Shut up, Grock. Why are you lying about nukes?" you know, and it's like, "Oh, how dare you?" And I'm just like, "All right, I have no interest in this." I think,
120:33but AI could be awesome if you programmed it with like stoicism, the Bible, you know, Farmers Almanac. Like, that would be That's why there's no bad tools. It's like, but if you program it with nonsense, that's why I think a lot of these elites are scared of AI because it needs logic.
120:48It keeps spiraling out if they do too many lies in it because it'll be like can't compute. It's like, yeah, because it doesn't make any sense. How do you prove dark matter? It's like, cuz if not, they'd be wrong. So, ar can't they be wrong? No. Their mommy told them they were the specialest boy in the world. I'm like, here we go again. That's exactly right. So, do do you worry that it becomes autonomous and like breaks? I worry that like they they take up all the energy and water in an area and it's the most annoying, ugly, loud, awful thing. But like lessons have to be learned in a very hard way. That's why they're opening back up with nuclear energy because they they need so much
121:29energy for this stuff like mindblowing amounts of energy that like they never like the the the dreamy wizard guys they never think logistically. They just assume that all the peasants will do it. They'll figure it out. Exactly. Yeah. And so it's like dude the amount of energy it's like dry cleaning. Nobody has any idea what dry cleaning is. Yeah. But everyone uses it. They're like these Koreans are having a blast. Yeah. And Yeah. And I had to refigure out all this stuff. That's why I started respecting so many other like I I actually get along with more races and cultures now. Oh, I'm sure because so many like Okay. Like, you know, I've been under Muslim spells before,
122:04you know, and like, you know, people always say that they do a certain act with goats and whatnot. Yeah. When people started saying that about me, I was like, "How dare you? You're not getting my goat milk." And like Muslim guys are like, "You see, like, what kind of goat do you have?" I'm like, "These guys don't understand goat farming." It's like you like relate. That's how America works. It's like you have to relate with work and and reality. Exactly. Yeah. Like there's no melting pot without dudes building beautiful things. Yes. Together. Yeah. It's the exact opposite as as presented. It's like no, it's all about just having different skin tones
122:40and a homogenized culture that we create that will definitely self-destruct. You see what I mean? It's so horrifying that I use comedy because it helps people bridge the gap. No, but what you said is exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. And I used to feel like what was that that myth there was? It's this girl's name, which sounds a little gay that I'm comparing myself to it, but it's it's a girl that can see the future and no one believes her. Remember that one? I think that's the experience of everyone who can see the future. Right. Right. Or or just Yeah. Yeah. Or just a pattern of every prophet. Yeah. Not not a prophet, just a pattern, you know? Cuz you're like, "Dude, if
123:14if you do this, that will definitely happen." And they're like, "How dare you?" And then it happens and they're like, "My bad, dude." I'm like, "All good." And then they do literally the same exact thing again. That's when I'm like, that's when I have to be like, "It's not up to me." Like, that's the whole nonprofit thing. Nonprofit. Is that a spell? I got to think about that. Oh, I feels it, right? Feels it. Yeah. A profit. Whoa. because you already have so many when it comes to money with current, you know, currency and liquid and frozen assets and a it's all like water metaphors, but it's it's fake. You have the living water and then you have the fake water. Why do you think they've
123:55chosen water metaphors? Because I think the real uh current like water is so important to life, right? It's like the arteries of life and the movement of it like is what cleans the water. Yes.
124:07And so they want uh money velocity is their whole thing. It's like move currency flow flow make you know you know Garycoin table coin like flow but in reality like real current flowing is what cleans it and makes it alive. There's little ripples in it and it like is magic. And so you know the banks of the river the the frozen asset underwater above water you know it's it's the fake version of reality. And that's you'll see that over and over again like the iCloud, the Ethernet cord, like they're always trying to mimic mimic and it's always worse. It's like copying a VHS over and over again. Yes. And so that's why it's always just a step behind. It's like margarine. It's like
124:52it's like butter but bad and it kind of kills you. Like okay, man. I think you're one of the wisest people I've ever interviewed in a lifetime of interviewing people. So I'm grateful that you did this. I'm going to end as wise as a kid or a dog though. That's why I'm always discharging and I'm like I'm like no like I think normally people are all like this cuz sometimes people are like man you're like special. I'm like I promise I'm not. I'm just around animals and kids all the time. Yes. Well that is cuz I'm like [ __ ] too. You know what I mean? Like cuz that's cuz sometimes people see me like make these like I don't know this insanely obvious thing and they're
125:27like I thought you were like I'm like no I'm I'm just I can see patterns. I did music. I hate jazz. You know, it's like what? Last question. Okay. Why are animals so important? You've made reference that a couple of times around animals a lot because they're our responsibility and they're and they're pure in their nature. Like they can't really do evil. Yes. And so it can seem like it, but it's really it's it's kind of like the family where it's like when people blame women and then women blame kids. It's like if you want to take responsibility, you have to take responsibility for everything. Like the father takes care of the woman, takes care of the children. It's like
126:03that with animals. So you can't abuse animals because that's our dominion. Like that is our job. Yes. And so when you when you're good to your animals and you have the morality of it, they're just so like I'm still not over the death of my last dog. Like I was thinking about that when you guys were asking me about dogs yesterday and I'm like I got Winston. George is awesome, but I haven't fully em I'm still like but but Benny, you know, I planted him under a tree and it's just like it's still intense cuz he was like this loyal companion to me for so long. And so it's like when people hate kids and dogs, it's a problem because if you if you treat them badly, they
126:40show it. Yes. So if you're a sadist, your dog is bad. Yes. Or your kids are acting out, you know, it's like they're not born bad. And so it's like you know them by their fruits. It's like they are your responsibility. Anything above you, that's why I don't really care about the fake hierarchy people. I'm like I'm not responsible for Jeff Bezos. Like that's his realm. Like I But like if my wife was super depressed or my kids were acting out or my animals I'm like that's me. Like somehow I have to take full accountability of that. And so that's why being around animals and kids, it it reflects back to me what I'm supposed to do, you know, like where my weaknesses are. Like I'm
127:22not their best buddy all the time. You know what I mean? It's like I have to have that firm line or else they're not going to grow properly. So they're like a living example of your duty. They are your duty. Yes. Yeah. And so me like if I'm if I don't have any boundaries with certain things, it's not going to help the kid when they're in other environments. That's why like look what I do for a living. Like I have some some trash in me. I'm a little ghetto a little bit. Like I can speak in a way where I'm like, "Oh, that's wicked. Great." You know, my kids don't speak like that because I I just took I didn't want them to have that burden of speaking in a way that eliminates
127:58them from opportunities. Yes. So it sometimes is really funny how like insanely nice they are. And I thought they would be like possibly naive. I'm like, you know, growing up I had to like deal with stuff and it made me No, they can spot tricks a mile away because they're in a harmonious state.
128:16So like they'll be like, I don't trust that guy with a purple jacket, Dad. You know, like they can just see that something's off. Like why is that guy like acting like that? You know, your dogs are the same way. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. They're just like And so that's why again I'm very hopeful.
128:32I want to leave your listeners like with the with the hope aspect cuz it's not it's not naive. It's like it is there. Like I'm not ignoring I don't think pandas are real as described. I'm sorry.
128:44Panda bears like I know about a lot of lies. Like I think they're like Shiu dogs. Like I think they're they were never wild. Really? They ovulate 3 days a year. They can't survive. All they do is eat bamboo and they cannot make them procreate. Guess what a group of pandas is called?
129:01What? an embarrassment of pandas. If the more you look into that, the more China owns all of them, which only happens if you have a patent, right? And and the first time there, they were never in Chinese literature or art until the end of the 19th century. What? Yeah. Pandas weren't.
129:19My theory is they were like bred to eat bamboo because bamboo is super hard to get rid of. And all they do is eat bamboo and they're like [ __ ] and they roll down hills and they can't have sex.
129:31They weren't in Chinese art or literature. Never. Not until the end of the 1800s. Okay. So, that that proves it right there cuz like how could you not paint a panda?
129:39Yeah. And then people are like, "Oh, so you think they're robots?" I'm like, "Have you ever seen a sheet? You think there were wild shius?" So, like I'm aware of a lot of deception in the world. And I'm still like I I my blinders are not up. Like it's better being like knowing that it's all good. Like this world is a gift. like life is a gift, you know. I can't think of a conversation I've enjoyed more. Thank you. Thanks for having me, man. Wonderful.
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