0:01I know I've said a bunch on this podcast and and I I think it was a line Obama actually said that was pretty spot on was that it felt like with Afghanistan we took our eye off the ball.
0:10>> Correct.
0:10>> And we went and spread out. We went to Iraq and stuff.
0:13>> But you're right. At the beginning when we first went in there it was a post 911 it was a historical moment for modern warfare because it was a CIA paramilitary you know with in combination with the military operation.
0:28And what it seems like is what you're saying is it didn't it never got to get too far beyond that because we put all the resources in Iraq which had a lot more.
0:37>> Understand regardless of what anybody thinks or reads the first boots on the ground in Afghanistan ground.
0:46>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
0:46>> Hands down. I matter of fact one of the guys that got killed well I well um Span was one of the guys I never knew the guy. first name was Johnny. I think he got killed um in a prison. Kind of just got overran, but he was >> got killed in a prison.
1:01>> Well, he was there with another guy.
1:03They basic I don't know the whole story, but they were in um a a location with a bunch of I think they were prisoners >> and somebody got a hold of a gun and it was just a bad judgment call and and basically he got killed. I don't know if the other guy did, but he was one of the first guys killed in the war and he was from Ground Branch. Whoa.
1:23>> You can Google it. It's not classified.
1:25Yeah, I think it's Span. Span. Johnny Span. And don't quote me on it, but >> let's pull that up.
1:32>> Yeah, I um Yep, that's him right there.
1:35>> All right. Do we have a Do we have a news story we can read?
1:41>> Um >> Okay, wait. Go back. Go back to the Wikipedia.
1:44>> I don't know if I'll go We'll go with the basics. Let's go down down.
1:49Death at King Jinny. Spam was killed.
1:52Can we just zoom in, Allessie? Because it's like size eight. Sorry. Spam was killed during an uprising at Cai Jangi, sorry if I said that wrong. Compound near Mazzar is Sharif in northern Afghanistan. Earlier that day, he and David Tyson, a CIA case officer and Usuzbck language specialist based in Tash Kent questioned John Walker Lind, an American citizen, and other prisoners. Around 400 al-Qaeda prisoners prisoners has surrendered on November 24th and been kept overnight in the cellar of the pink house in the southern half of the fort. Span focused intently on Lind and another prisoner identified
2:26him as an Irishman. Span asked Lynn, "Do you know the people here you're working with are terrorists and killed other Muslims. There were several hundred Muslims killed in the bombing in New York City. Is that what the Quran teaches? I don't think so. Are we going to talk? Are you going to talk to us?"
2:41Lynn remained silent. Two Afghan doctors interviewed by author Toby H. Hearnden witnessed Span's final moments. They saw the CIA officer, who was about 5 yards away from them, swing around and raise his AKMS rifle to his shoulder as the prisoners revolted amid sounds of gunfire and grenade explosions.
2:57Prisoners went rushing out straight at Span. The doctor saw Span shoot two or three of them with his Kalashnikov before the Qatari prisoner and others who had been sitting close to the pink house stood up and jumped on Span from behind, pushing him to the ground. Span pulled out his Glock 19 pistol and fired one or two shots before he was overwhelmed, disappearing beneath a pile of prisoners, desperately trying to seize his weapons. Tyson ran towards Span after hearing his comrade shout, "Dave, Dave, Dave," Tyson then used his Browning high powder pistol to shoot dead four al-Qaeda prisoners on top of
3:26Span. Kicking Span and seeing the blood on the ground, Tyson concludes Span was dead. Tyson grabbed Span's AKMS rifle and used it and other weapons to fight his way into the northern half of the fort, killing at least a dozen, possibly up to 40 al-Qaeda prisoners. Holy [ __ ] >> That's >> didn't go well.
3:42>> But you know, you know, uh I don't know if you're aware of this, but you know, in the the main foyer of the CIA headquarters that you always see on movies with the big on the ground, you also have the memorial with the stars >> stars on the wall.
3:57>> I think there's, oh boy, I'm going to get this wrong, but 139ish >> something.
4:04>> Half of them are SAD SOG guys. Wow.
4:09>> What I was told half >> Wow.
4:13>> Yeah. Yeah. So >> that's heavy.
4:16>> Yeah. So but yeah, um that gentleman um I never met him, never had to honor the privilege to meet him, but just in a bad situation. Too many prisoners, not enough protection. They overwhelmed him and he he died.
4:29>> It's crazy.
4:29>> Yeah. But yeah, >> but but you were saying you saw the signs there around 2010. And I mean obviously like like we said we took resources out there remained kind of a soft war and you know you have limited people on the ground but I think what shocked people the most when besides the craziness of the imagery we saw like the famous pictures and videos we were seeing in Afghanistan August 2021. But what shocked people the most was how much the Taliban still obviously had enough support across the country to do this.
5:03Did that ever really change? Like when when they were taken down at the beginning, was it like oh now 90% of the country is against them and eventually it got back to like only 50% was against them or did there remain a serious thought among a lot of people on the ground like hey you know they they are a better option. [sighs] Oh wow, dude. That's [clears throat] a really very tough question to answer because you got to remember my view of that war was like this.
5:37Meaning I wasn't a big picture guy.
5:40Yeah. I mean, we had intel that was told to us, but we were more focused on individuals. Do you know what I'm saying? As far as what we did, >> we weren't strategic planners. That was way above my pay grade. We were just a tool, you know, the surgeon that took out little cancer cells. But in my personal opinion, I just think that we underestimated big time [snorts] the support that they had, [gasps] the assets that they had. I mean, dude, when you started digging into how their money how they remember, dude, money makes the world the world go round.
6:21>> Okay. When you started when we started to hear like how much money they were getting from all these different profit centers and drugs and child trafficking and all this other [ __ ] that they were into, it was staggering how much money they actually had their hands in. And when you have money, you know how what do they say? you throw money at it, right? Um you can you can make things happen. Um cuz what do you think we did when we went over there?
6:50The first guys like that guy that you just showed, they went over there with bags of money, bags, millions and millions of dollars and just bought >> these tribal leaders like, "Hey, we need your help." And by the way, >> here's a half a million dollars, which is >> over there. It's like >> 50 Yeah, dude. It's like 50 million, hundred million dollars. It's stupid money, right? So, but just remember too, man, [snorts] money to those people are very important like anyone else, but it's only going to buy so much loyalty, >> right?
7:21>> You know what I mean? Like only so much.
7:23>> You don't buy their heart. You just buy their mind.
7:25>> That's what I'm saying for it. It's a time and space, >> right? So, but you know, I am definitely not the guy to ask as far as like, you know, the whole strategic thing. It just I wasn't privy to that, you I mean, I just wasn't um because I didn't need I didn't I wasn't operating at that level. Those were decisions that were being made way, you know, you know, way way above our you know, you're talking about, you know, the chief of station and above.
7:55>> Mhm.
7:56>> Right. Talking to people back in Virginia and like then it just filters down. I was just a small piece of, you know, taking care of the problem children. Like, >> did you ever see the poppy fields there?
8:09>> I had. Yeah. Yeah. One >> crazy. No.
8:11>> Yes. And you know, my dumb ass didn't even know what the hell they were.
8:15[laughter] I'm like, "What pretty flowers?"
8:17>> No, dude.
8:18>> I was like, "Those are [ __ ] really cool looking flowers." My buddy's like, "Dumb ass. Can't >> feel my mouth no more."
8:23>> Yeah. No, [laughter] it Yeah. I honestly didn't really know when I first saw them cuz they bloom.
8:28They're very colorful, but when not, they're kind of like just like a >> How big like was the one you saw? No.
8:34But how big was like the field?
8:35>> The field. Um, the one that I saw was probably 300 yards long and 100 yards wide, maybe something like that.
8:47>> That's a lot of heroin.
8:49>> Yeah. Yeah.
8:51>> And I, you know, you see these pictures of these American soldiers like forced to guard them and whatever, but I do wonder about >> I mean, we saw the [ __ ] in Vietnam when we were there. There's there's there's a black market for that even in the military.
9:06>> Yeah.
9:06>> Did you ever see any of that?
9:08>> See, um >> some guys on the take.
9:12>> No. No. Mm- Never, dude. Yeah. And dude, even when I'll be honest with you, like I know when you would hit a a compound, you know, there especially in Iraq, >> we hit a couple places where you'd find those goldplated AK-47s >> that that the Republican Guard carried.
9:33I mean, >> I don't know how much those things are worth, but I know to a collector like like dude, I've never That's one thing I would tell you. Never saw one guy that I worked with ever do anything that was even slightly like [gasps and sighs] >> not necessarily people you work with, but I'm [clears throat] saying did you see anything with the military with that?
9:50>> Dude, we again didn't really associate with them. Never went out on ops with them. The only military guys that we went on ops with and it was every now and then was either Delta or Dev Group.
10:03That's it.
10:05>> And it was every now and then. And it was like, "Hey, you know, we're hitting this place and it's kind of too much for us to take down. Can you do this and we'll do this?" Like, "Okay, great."
10:14>> But that's about it.
10:16>> Yeah. We didn't, you know, we're kind of like bastard children, so to speak.
10:20[laughter] Like, you know, like the unsociable guys that live over there.
10:25But yeah, dude. And we just didn't >> And and and rightly so. We had no business.
10:31>> All right. Well Well, let's let's talk about those modern wars that are happening right now. We've been hinting at it all day.
10:36>> Yeah. So without me going into details, you had been looking or I should say you had had people reach out for I'll [snorts] say one of these war zones to potentially go over and do some I guess we'll call it consultant work which you have turned down and you're not going to be doing >> but I I don't care which direction you go here. If you go Ukraine, Israel, we'll hit both of them. But it seems to me like now the concept of a proxy war is fought openly in the media and in the middle of it you have two sides on both of them and a lot of people dying.
11:22>> Mhm. And it's hard not for your head to go to military-industrial complex, >> uh, creating conflict to create enemies on purpose, you know, all kinds of backroom, people trying to run the world type deal.
11:42>> Sure. So when when when you see things like this, obviously you know very well war is hell, but do you think there's any ability in either those types of situations to get a real peace or is the whole point that there's never going to be it?
11:59>> Boy, oh boy, >> it's a heavy question, but let's just start with it.
12:03>> You know, I've been to Israel. Um, absolutely beautiful country. Um, amazing people. I was there for six months um on a protection detail um for the state department and our job was basically to take people from the consulate that was in Jerusalem to um the um embassy which was in Tel Aviv at that time. I think it might have moved.
12:26But anyway, and we went all over the country, West Bank, Gaza Strip, Abu Dh, Raala, but you know, I don't know how a country that has been infect where's infected, but like they've been at war, so to speak, forever. Not like a war war, but constant >> terrorist attacks. you know, they're constantly having to monitor their borders. They're constantly having to monitor their own streets. Like when I was there, um there were seven bombings in one day.
13:04>> Yeah.
13:04>> Like you know, and again, this is a long time ago, but you know, I don't know how you take out the hatred that Hamas has, you know? Um how do you just get rid of it? Like I don't I don't think it's possible. And it's passed down from generation to generation. And and dude, you got to remember, >> you know, you're talking about land that was given to like by God. Like this is very religious stuff. You may not think so or some people, but there's a lot of religion involved in here too.
13:38>> Oh yeah. you know, the the land and anyway, um, and it it is a horrifically complex and Lord knows I don't know a one/tenth of it, but it's a horrifically complex situation. Um, you know, I just read online and and and this just goes to what you just said. How do you know what to believe?
14:00>> You don't.
14:01>> It's like you don't. And you know what?
14:03You just don't. It's somebody's narrative or it's the truth. You don't know. But I just read online and it was, you know, quote unquote a legitimate, you know, um, uh, news outlet, if you want to call it legitimate, that they said that the, um, MSAD, the Israeli, um, intelligence service knew for a year prior to this attack.
14:30>> Yeah.
14:31>> Did they know? I don't know. Um, if they knew, why didn't they do something about it? Well, according to this, >> why didn't they do something?
14:38>> Well, according according to this article, [laughter] the the word, and I may be wrong, was they said that the plan was too audacious. There's no way they could have pulled it off. But if it is true, they pulled it off with perfection because it even talked about in this article that they were going to use paragliders and they were going to, you know, all this >> everything exactly the way they did it.
15:03They executed it exactly the way they said in this article. Is it true? I don't know. I don't know. And and that's, you know, you don't know. And the bottom line is, you know, you're dealing with deepseated hatred.
15:19>> Yes.
15:19>> Okay. Like beyond your comprehension and yours and mine.
15:24>> I I think it's clear. And you know, let's call Hamas what they are. It's a terrorist organization, plain and simple. And there there seems to be that's getting lost in some of these conversations these days. I understand this is a very difficult topic and everything, but >> there's some common sense things we have to have to talk about this. I mean, I had Remy Adele in here telling you about this off camera.
15:48>> He hunted them when he was in the Navy Seals. He was telling me before we've seen some of these stories come out where Israel has to bomb some of the ambulances and stuff. He I remember there was one I don't know a few weeks ago where that happened and I was on the phone with him a week into this war and he's like you know just let you know that shit's real like they do hide in hospitals they do transport around in ambulances they hide in schools he's like you're going to hear Israel get [ __ ] for bombing ambulances and stuff and I'm telling you they're bombing terrorists when they do that so
16:18sometimes there there are things but then we see >> you know there there are two sides to this struggle and I will tell you some of the actions of Israel have been maddeningly disappointing.
16:31Taken out. I mean, they took out a refugee camp and admitted this because they were targeting one terrorist or something on on the whole thing. I mean, the number of civilians and it's hard to know what the exact numbers are. Again, I'm like you. I don't I don't really know what to believe. And I understand there has to be a response to such a horrible terrorist attack, but >> the number of civilians they've they've seemingly indiscriminately taken out is wrong. And what what's disappointing to me is that, you know, Hamas is going to play dirty. They're terrorists. I mean, we we've all seen videos at this point
17:03of them, you know, people crying and they're holding a plastic baby. They're not even like sleek about it sometimes.
17:08There was another guy, I don't know if we could pull this up, Allessie, but there's one dude who's like known as like the Hamas actor. He plays every role. You know who I'm talking about?
17:16>> He takes a video where one day he's like crying with like supposedly his son. The next day he's being operated on dead.
17:22The next day he's taking a drone video in the middle of the street. The next day he's like in the middle of a of a he plays I forget what he's even [clears throat] called. But like we see all that. I just don't like that, you know, from a government on the other side that's not a terrorist group.
17:38You're seeing some propaganda too. And it and it makes it it makes it even more sickening because all it does is it ups the Annie of anger on both sides. It gives more people political points to try to score and that leads to what?
17:54More death.
17:54>> Right.
17:55>> It's very it's it's so sad to me.
17:58>> Yeah.
17:59>> Um to be honest with you, when that happened, Excuse [clears throat] me.
18:03When that happened, I wasn't surprised.
18:06>> Yeah.
18:06>> And like that's kind of like a long time coming. I know it sounds terrible.
18:10>> No, I know what you mean. But like you know just like here you know in our country you know if another terrorist attack happens I'll be like is anybody surprised like if you are where you been living like where you you got your head buried in the sand somewhere.
18:24>> Um you know I have Israeli friends. Um I do I >> Yeah. And you know um [sighs and gasps] they one thing I will tell you about Israel and I'm just going to say this because I've seen it with my own eyes.
18:41They have a huge huge national pride because if everybody that is in their country, man or woman, has to serve.
18:52>> I may be wrong. I think a woman has to serve two years and a man three. I may be wrong.
18:56>> We can check that.
18:57>> But but that everybody has to serve. in some capacity. I love that. I think that's amazing. And they have massive national pride there. Massive.
19:08>> Yeah.
19:08>> Um I saw it with my own eyes and and rightly so. And they should. They're very proud people. Um and they've been through years and years and years of conflict.
19:20And um I will tell you when it comes to counterterrorism, [clears throat] they invented the game.
19:28>> Yes.
19:28>> They invented the game. the best in the world. Let's just say it right now.
19:32>> When it comes to what modernday counterterrorist units do and how they operate, all goes back to to how they started. I mean, yeah, of course, you had the British SAS that, you know, um took it to the next level, but actual like counterterrorism operations, Israel was doing it way before anyone else was doing it and doing it at high levels.
19:56>> Yeah.
19:57>> Out of survival.
19:59Exactly. Out of survival. Not just like, well, let's just form this unit. No, we need people to take care of this stuff right now.
20:06>> And they're very, very good at it. Their intelligence service very, very good.
20:12>> You know what these places have such an advantage of us on? In my opinion, >> they don't think about today and tomorrow.
20:19>> They're always thinking about a hundred years from now.
20:22>> This is what we don't get in this country. In this country, it's now now.
20:26>> Instant gratification. Yes.
20:28>> Yeah.
20:29>> But we we have no I've used this quote a bunch on the podcast and I'll keep saying it. We really have never been invaded before and it shows. I mean, we were invaded in the War of 1812 account at this point, but we we don't know how lucky we are with our geography. That's right. And with our enjoying the benefits of being the world power, these other places, I mean, Israel's the size of New Jersey, right? A little smaller, right? like >> they get it >> and they're surrounded. [laughter] >> They're surrounded.
21:00>> Yeah, they're they're surrounded. Yeah.
21:02And they have no choice. And >> I'm not flag waving for Israel. I'm certainly not flag waving for Hamas. But I'm just saying you need to look at the facts. Like just take the emotion out of it for a second.
21:15>> You know, don't be pointing fingers like, "Oh, what they did, what they did." When you force somebody to fight, >> you force somebody fight. And let me tell you, those are not people we want to pick a fight with.
21:26>> I agree.
21:27>> They have zero sense of humor about this [ __ ] And I mean zero.
21:32>> Yeah.
21:32>> Um and what do you expect their response to be?
21:36>> Uh let's talk. It's it's past talk.
21:39Okay. [laughter] >> The talk days are long, long gone for those people, you know, it in my opinion or they wouldn't be where they're at right now. It's a tough spot politically with Gaza and and there there's there's a logic here that needs to be appreciated for both sides.
21:58>> So, Israel, don't have to get into the whole deal, but essentially they give Gaza their autonomy in ' 056, >> right?
22:07>> Gaz is 20 mile strip of land. It is separated geographically from the West Bank, which is the other part where there's a Palestinian stronghold. There are four borders.
22:18North border is Israel. East border is Israel. West border is the sea, which three miles out in there is now Israeli territory. And they can't let the guys by there because then they could, you know, if if bad people got through there, they could come around and invade by land in Israel.
22:36>> The south border is Egypt, but more specifically, it is Sinai, which is [ __ ] no man's land. It's a desert often controlled by terrorists who don't give a [ __ ] about any Palestinians.
22:46Let's make that clear.
22:48>> So Israel creates this spot, right? And says, "Okay, you guys take that. We'll remove any Jewish people living there."
22:54Whatever.
22:57It's a lose-lose lose lose lose. Imagine if in 2006 Iraq were on our border in America.
23:05>> Instead of Mexico, it's Iraq. Would you ever let that border open?
23:08>> I I get you, >> right? Yeah. Yeah.
23:10>> So what happens? Israel then can't let these people in. They also close off past three miles in the sea. My understanding, I think Anthony Bourdain talked about this back when he was alive, that the the reef is like 6, nine miles out, maybe people can can correct that in the comments or Allessie could check it. But that means that any real fishing that happens, they can't do from Gaza because they can't even get out to where it is.
23:37where they're going to get shot by Israeli boats on Israeli territory. So you lock these people in whatever it is.
23:48They can't really leave. They can't really build an economy. It's a self-defeating prophecy. But also, what is Israel supposed to do? If they're trying to give them land to give on their own, they're at least giving them something. But then they it's not like they can just constantly open up their borders and have total cross trade and everything when among the many good people that are living in Palestine, you have embedded as well people who are not good. This is one of those where I see it both ways there. Like when the Palestinians call an open air prison, I agree when the Israelis say we gave it
24:21to them so you know we could not have autonomy there and they could but we can't really let them over our border all the time. I agree. It's so hard for me. Like there's no winner. There's no there's no path to victory, >> right?
24:35>> To me, >> it is a highly convoluted [snorts] situation.
24:42>> Mhm.
24:43>> Far beyond I don't think even any American unless you're at this super high level at the State Department even understanding what is really going like you may think, oh yeah, this is what's going on. know there's underlying currents that you probably have no clue about that only the senior leadership know about you know and and man all I can tell you is is that situation going to go in my opinion is that situation going to go away no >> never not >> and I I pray for them that they do I I really do need to live like that you know um um you're dealing with a terrorist organization that's they're
25:23not going to just throw their hands up and go, "Oh, you know what? My bad. You really think that's going to happen? Are you [ __ ] kidding me?" Like, that ain't never going to happen. Hell's going to freeze over before that happens. So, >> it it's you know, how do you how do you win? Like you said, it it's a lose-lose lose. I don't know how you can win or at least have a favorable conclusion where you're like, you know what, that was actually worth it. I don't even know.
25:50Again, I'm not a strategic planner kind of guy. I'm just looking at it at face value, man. That's a that's a that's a bad bad situation, man. Anyway you look at it.
26:01And I'll be honest with you, dude. I somebody asked me um a couple years ago, they said um name uh two leaders in this world that you are like highly uh that you hold in high esteem.
26:16And I named two women.
26:20One was Golden. M the old Israeli prime minister from the >> And the other one was Margaret Thatcher.
26:26>> Oh yeah.
26:26>> The Iron Lady.
26:27>> Mhm.
26:28>> Um I've read books about both of them and these are in my opinion, let me say it again, in my opinion, very strong, courageous leaders that I in my opinion served their country very very well. [music] >> What What do you think made gold in my ear so good?
26:49>> I can tell you right now, dude. She was the one that green lit the mission after the Munich massacre. Y >> and went to them and said, "Kill every one of those motherfuckers." Yep. There it is. Yep.
26:59>> Yep.
26:59>> People can't see it on camera, but you know how big a balls you have to have.
27:05>> Man or woman, doesn't matter >> to greenlight a mission like that when the whole world is watching.
27:12>> Dude, you got my respect. You got my respect.
27:16>> Yeah. And um Margaret Thatcher was a prime minister when the uh Iranian embassy got taken over [gasps] in boy I don't know what the date was 72 I can't even remember and green lit the SAS to go in and take down the Iranian embassy at Princess Gate >> on TV.
27:35They like she was a >> the BBC was there like video I mean you can see videos of this [ __ ] [ __ ] going down like dude these were exemplary leaders women but I hold them in very very high esteem. I didn't even mention two men. I mentioned two women.
27:50>> Yeah >> I kind of funny right but dude tough man >> bro these are these are the kind of leaders that you need in our world today. You know what you just watching?
28:00You need a wartime consolei like yeah you can't be like right that's what you need right now >> you're Italian I know >> consolei >> consetti there you go >> but anyway I I that movie if you if for those of you are listening if you've never watched Munich I think you need to watch it >> and they have to say fictionalized story ain't nothing fictional about it bro they basically golden mirror basically green lit their their uh people to find these people wherever they were, whatever country they're in. And it wasn't a capture mission.
28:38>> Yeah.
28:39>> They were targeted assassinations. Like >> I don't want to I do not want to create excuses for war crimes or anything that could happen that is is beyond the pale. And as I said, I I got a serious problem with some of the actions Israel's taking right now. If we're gonna understand both sides, like the Palestinian side, we can absolutely understand because, you know, there's there's they basically lack the ability to have a central government and have their own country.
29:09And I I get it. That's >> I don't even know what to say to that.
29:13On the Israeli side, they have often been left alone. And there's no better example than what you're talking about right now. I mean, you have you have the Olympics 27 years after the camps are freed in Germany. Okay. Hey, you want to show Germany's denazified? The world wants to give him a shot. All right.
29:30Okay, fine. That's probably not what I would have done, but okay. And then all these Israeli athletes get taken hostage. Two of them killed right away during the games. The games don't stop.
29:42>> Correct.
29:42>> The German police says, "We German government says, "No, we got this." They have the Israelis there ready to help.
29:48At this point, Israel is known as having great special forces people, great intelligence, whatever. No, no, you guys lay off.
29:55>> Everyone gets killed.
29:57>> That's right.
29:57>> And the games go on, as I said.
30:00>> So, if you're gold to my ear sitting there, I can't imagine how lonely that's got to feel. You're like, [ __ ] we're 27 years after this [ __ ] and they're already forgetting about it. You know what I mean? That creates a tough situation. And yeah, >> I didn't even realize, to be honest with you, dude, I didn't even I didn't even real recognize what that was from until I saw um that actor. Um I can't remember what his name is.
30:22>> Eric. Eric Banner.
30:23>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's a he's a really freaking good actor. But yeah, >> I'm going to I'm going to take a video here so we can loop this in while we're talking cuz people can't see this. It's off camera, but I have the two images of >> You can see it now on YouTube probably, but I have the two images at the end where they're standing in front of the skyline in Manhattan. Very cool stuff.
30:42>> Yeah. And I remember this scene. He was basically talking to him and he's kind of like a quote quote unquote a case officer for the MSAD and just trying to talk to him about, you know, what was going on and like it he played a great a really really great role. Yeah. He Oh, yeah. He by far that was his best role he ever played and that would be very difficult um >> uh playing that role because he was >> kind of like that retired guy, you know.
31:10What was he like a bodyguard or something? I can't remember. It was they said it was a body was bodyguard and >> it's based on a guy Uvalu what's his last name? Can we look that up? Allessie the who Munich is based on.
31:24>> He lives in Arizona now. Used to live in New York.
31:26>> Yeah. Amazing movie. I tell everybody to watch it. I said this is >> and I' I've literally said a this is how you handle business.
31:34>> You know what? You're going to act like this. We're going to let the dogs of war out on your ass and you know heaven forbid you know they find you. It says Uval Aviv.
31:42>> Abivval Aviv. That's it. Yeah. Yeah.
31:45That's the guy he was.
31:47>> And there, you know, there's all kinds of claims like made because they have to deny this stuff. I get it. So there's like, oh, he's a liar. All this stuff, but >> go look up the murders that happened in that movie. That's exactly how they exactly.
32:00>> But again, you know, I have >> when like Netanyahu, I mean, look, dude, he was put he's he's sitting in a hot seat right now. like >> he had to make a decision on the behalf of his country and right, wrong, whatever, it's quite frankly none of our damn business. The way I look at it, you know, I mean, it is, but it isn't. I mean, he has to do what's right for his people >> and what he feels what's right for his people.
32:23>> Part of part >> not what's right for us. Let's just say this right now. Not what's right for our freaking country, what's right for his country.
32:29>> Yes. Period.
32:30>> Part of the issue there is the people in this latest government that he has surrounded himself with though, because he has surrounded himself, unfortunately, with a lot of scumbags. A lot of people, I mean, you see some of the quotes these guys say. There's no, you know, I'm the last guy to be histrionic about things and take things out of concept, but some of the things that these guys say publicly, I'm talking about some of the people in his cabinet, >> right, >> are genocidal. I mean, you heard the guy talking about the nukes and whatever so casually like, "Yeah, you know, that's on the table. Get them out. At least
33:02ethnic from a there there's ethnic cleansing language happening there." And to me, you know, it goes to show you just like we were talking about something else earlier, it's about who you surround yourself with and and he is miscalculated on that. But to your point, yeah, if a terrorist attack happens on your soil, >> you're going to take action. And yes, people are going to die and it's ugly.
33:24>> It's horrible. I I agree. It's just a matter of, you know, and it's a hard question. What is that proportionate response? And I I do think I do think we we've passed that. So, you know, as we're talking right now, there have at least been some small days of mostly, not all the way, but mostly ceasefire to exchange some of these hostages. That's positive. But you're also dealing with all these tunnels and stuff, too.
33:49>> I mean, how much do you know about that?
33:51Like the Hamas tunnels?
33:52>> Not a whole lot. Um, you know, I've I've seen photos of them. Um, they're quite extensive. um probably more extensive than what the media is putting on. [gasps] And what's really funny um well it's not funny.
34:09What's very um ironic is that certain special operations units in the very recent past have been tasked with fighting in that environment. Hm.
34:26>> Kind of funny.
34:27>> Like down in the tunnels >> and like Yeah. Fighting in in subterranean.
34:32Yeah. Structures.
34:34>> How do you even do that? Cuz there one person can fit through a hallway. Aren't you just like caught right away?
34:39>> Dude, it's it's not it's not an environment I would want to fight in. um you're in a tubular [gasps] uh environment that you may or may not have a way to hide or you know it's just yeah it just depends on the way these things are designed but it's not it's extremely restricting you know and casualties in something like that are going to be very very high I don't give a I don't care what unit you're in you get in a tick in a tunnel like that you're going to take serious casualties So yeah, I mean I think leadership in our country saw stuff like this coming.
35:17Look, it's not just in Israel. There are other countries, I'm not going to mention them, that have very complex tunnel systems that are used. Um Oh, yeah. I mean, that's it shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. Um you know, and quite frankly, >> you're talking countries that aren't run by terrorists or something like more normal countries.
35:34>> Yeah. Yeah. Sure. And and Yeah. and and quite frankly um that is a skill set that um I know for a fact um is something that's important to modern-day quote unquote urban warfare, >> you know, and it was years ago. I mean, if you think that tunnels and sewer systems and [sighs and gasps] things like that haven't been used in the past in other countries to move people [snorts] surreptitiously from one place to another. covertly without, you know, being a you kidding me?
36:09>> Oh, Chapo, baby.
36:11>> I mean, seriously. I mean, think about it. Um, I'm not going to get into details about it, but yeah, you better believe it. That's a very, very covert, surreptitious way to move small elements and small teams through urban environments completely unobserved.
36:26>> Allessie, can you Google how deep underground the Hamas tunnels are?
36:31because that's always something I think about. Like when I when they were doing the Second Avenue subway, which maybe I'm never over there anymore. Maybe they're still doing that over over in New York, meaning they're building >> however many feet that is. I'm going to guess it's maybe 20 ft below ground or something like that. You knew it was happening, >> right?
36:50>> You could tell. Now, I'm not just talking like the construction tape you'd see in certain places. You could hear some of the [ __ ] >> right?
36:56>> So, it always blows my mind that this stuff can be built. We're talking miles underground or something like that and no one notices.
37:03>> And and keep this in mind too and again I don't want to get into details. Some of these tunnels have been there for many many years. They're not new tunnels.
37:13>> How deep?
37:14>> 60 to 80.
37:15>> 60 to 80 ft. That's Wow.
37:18>> Yeah. Just think about and again not mentioning places but think about some ancient cultures and ancient cities.
37:25They are there's tons of tunnels under I mean think about Italy.
37:30>> Mhm. Oh, the Vatican, baby.
37:32>> I mean, come on [laughter] now. Like, if you don't think there's tunnels all over the freaking place there, you're you're you're Yeah. So, again, not getting into a whole lot of detail about that.
37:42There's ways to use that to your advantage if if that's the environment you're working in, but that's not a place I'd want to fight. No, no, no, no, no.
37:50>> And you see Joe Ted Eye just going go right down the [ __ ] tunnel. This is where tactical patience would come in, man. Like, you'd have Look, dude, when you're doing like something that specific, >> you're going to have very unique SOPs and TTPs that's going to drive how you're going to fight in that environment. Like, how >> what's TTP again?
38:11>> Tactics, techniques, and procedures.
38:12>> I I was thinking trust the process. I know that's not it. [laughter] >> That too [ __ ] >> That's our TTP.
38:18>> You better trust the process, man. you know. Um but yeah, so like it's a whole another, you know, challenge.
38:26>> Yeah, that was one thing I the Vatican keeps coming up on a lot of podcasts now. I never did, but I I've been talking about how when when I lived in Rome, I lived like right by the Vatican and I couldn't at the time I didn't like appreciate I mean I knew it was very historical. I was like, "Oh, wow. Cool.
38:42The Vatican, but I didn't think about you."
38:43>> Well, you saw it all the time. Like if I went there, I'm like, "Oh, like right."
38:47But like even the, you know, the underworld of it maybe and what's down below there. I never really thought about that stuff at the time, but now, you know, I I'm really thinking about it all the time. And >> if if you're familiar at all with the subway system, the metro system in Rome, >> you know, Rome Rome's a big city. The metro system, >> I always joked, >> I wish it was like that here because it's so easy. It's an X. It's like that.
39:14It's basically got, unless it's changed since I've been there, it's basically got one line running uh top down diagonal one way and the other one running right across it that way. So, you learn the subway system in 2 seconds. But thinking about it now, I'll have to go look at the maybe we can pull up the map of the of the Rome metro system, Allessie. But I'd love to know if part of that is built in such a way and it's built so simply because there are so many intricate underground tunnels that they can't be running into, which is like, whoa, baby. I start going all the way to like the rat lines of
39:49World War II.
39:50>> I don't know how. Let me see.
39:52>> Yeah.
39:52>> Oh, yeah.
39:53>> Yeah. See that?
39:54>> Interesting. Didn't know that. Now there. Oh, Allessie, if you look at the pictures right there, see the third one from the right? Yeah. Yeah. Click that one.
40:02>> This is basically what it is. See that?
40:04So, there's like another little one running in the middle, but it's maybe that one's new, but it's basically like an X.
40:10>> It doesn't It doesn't You know how New York >> Yeah. Same with Washington. Same. It's all over the freaking place. Yeah. Yeah.
40:16Yeah.
40:17>> That was always fascinating to me >> looking at it now, but back back then it was just fascinating. Like, oh, wow.
40:23Cool. It's simple.
40:24>> Yeah. You know, >> I wonder why.
40:27>> Yeah, I wonder why.
40:28>> That's interesting.
40:28>> You you've kept one thing you've kept on mentioning though a few times that is a little off topic, but I did want to ask about it. You you keep on shouting out like the British services >> for I guess like some of their special forces techniques combined with their spy techniques. Like what what what makes them mention in the same breath per se with like counterterrorism as Israel? Why are they so good? Well, so I've actually had the privilege and opportunity to train with or not train with but operate with guys from SAS when I was in Iraq. They were there in the same compound. So I got to know some of
41:02these guys, you know, very um one thing I'll tell you about those dudes, man, they had probably the funniest sense of humor of any freaking dudes I ever met. They were [ __ ] funny guys.
41:13>> Anyway, they they what they did is they just took, you know, that game to the next level.
41:21They were the ones that really got into um the dynamics of hostage rescue. I mean, what that's what their bread and butter is is hostage rescue. Um you know, they um for example, the selection process to get in the SAS, Delta basically took their selection process and made it their own. So you're, you know, think about that for a second. And of course, you know, the guys, the original plank owners from Delta, you know, trained a lot with the SAS guys to get like, how do you do this? How do you take down an airplane? How do you take down a train?
42:00How do you do this? So, they were kind of like the the first people that really honed it. Even though the Israelis were doing it prior, the British SAS guys really sharpened that sword, so to speak. Um, >> and they're very good at it, obviously.
42:20Um, and, uh, you know, if you want to watch a really good movie, um, you know, watch, um, uh, the movie about the Princess Gate. I'm trying to remember the name of it. There's been several.
42:30One was very realistic according to like interviews I saw with guys that were there that were actually on that raid.
42:37Um, but you can Google it and find it.
42:39There's You can just see um, how methodical. That's it right there. Six days.
42:45>> Days. Yep. That's a very very good movie. You're not going to recognize any of the actors at all, but it is um it's an excellent excellent movie. I think it portrayed the regiment in a very very good light. Um and it was an amazing hostage rescue. I mean, it's, you know, um, couple things went wrong, but they flowed. Like one dude, if I'm not mistaken, he was upselling, was repelling down the, uh, back side of the building and got knotted up. Something happened with his carabiner, and he was just basically hanging there >> above a door that they were getting a breach or a window or something. And
43:22anyway, just like stuff like that.
43:24That's where those units make their money cuz anywhere else that's like uhoh. And everything comes to a screeching halt, right? Not there. Not at that level. It's just critical thinking skills come in. What do we do?
43:39I think they cut the guy down something very quickly and another guy got caught on fire going through the a window [snorts] or some [ __ ] like a I think a curtain or something fell on him. And anyway, just dude kept flowing. And everybody talks about we can get into training stuff here real second, but like everybody talks about, you know, this the the tenants of CQB, speed, surprise, violence of action. Well, actually, there's a fourth tenant that nobody wants to talk about, and that's momentum. You have to keep the momentum.
44:08>> You can't just get bogged down in a hallway or in a room or, you know, whatever. You have to keep moving. You it when you become stagnant in that environment, bad [ __ ] happens.
44:18>> So, like when I've taught it and I talk about, you know, the tenants of CQB, yeah, it is speed, surprise, violence of action, but I also add in momentum. And I think it's very applicable to and I didn't come up with that, just an FYI.
44:32It's not my thing. I've heard other people talk about it, people that I respected. I'm like, you know what? That [ __ ] makes sense because that's absolutely what I experienced. Like you cannot like come to a screeching halt in a hallway or especially in a hostage rescue type situation like where you have to get to the to the hostages quickly. You can't be fiddle farting around in a hallway and like you got to get there immediately. And how do you pick up that momentum? Well, that's what flashbangs and you know, distraction devices are for. And >> anyway, not getting into all the tactics, but anyway. Um, but yeah, like
45:08but a lot of people don't talk about it and it's really strange because and I talk about really experienced guys and to me I ain't the most experienced guy in the world, but to me it makes sense.
45:19Yeah. Speed, absolutely. Surprise, yes.
45:22Violence of action. Yes. And a lot of people even get that third one wrong.
45:26Like what is violence of action? And it's actually to me a mindset. It is an overwhelming mindset that I am better trained than you. I'm physically stronger than you. I I'm better better better. And that just gives me that ability to deliver like violence of action on the target like wham. Like there's no hesitation.
45:49There's no doubt when I come through this door, you're going to lose. Period.
45:54Like that to me, and some people may disagree with me, but to me, that's what it means cuz that's what I felt when they talked about it. Like violence of action was a mindset with me. And did I actually have that day one? No, I did not. Didn't have it. you know, had it a little bit, but as I got better and better and, you know, worked with guys that exemplified that, I'm like, "Ah," the kind of light bulb went off. Like, I get it now.
46:23>> Like, you know, you're [ __ ] [laughter] Like, I like when these people come for you, you have no you have no chance. And that's what it is. Like, you literally don't have a snowballs chance in hell of surviving. And that's to me that's what violence of action is like you know it's just it's a mindset. It's very powerful dude. It's very powerful.
46:46>> When when Remy was in here and I remember you had some similar sentiments too but he put it like exact on the point. He was talking about how at the highest levels, like in the Navy Seals, if if they've been able to identify like one core gene that makes someone, oh, this person's going to be in and they're going to make it and they're going to be the guy they want. He said, no, they haven't. There's just there's some intangibles that can only be seen once they're put >> That's right.
47:16>> in the spotlight for something. not necessarily on the battlefield yet, but you know, some of the stuff like what you laid out last time, some of the stuff you even get put through, there's just there's there's a thing. You can't say what it is, but it's not >> it's not tangible.
47:29>> And you, Dude, let me tell you, you can't just look at somebody >> and go, "That guy's a stud, >> right?"
47:35>> That Let me tell you, those guys are usually the first ones that quit.
47:39>> Yep.
47:40>> In in my experience, you know, then you look at this Oh, really? And then you look at this guy like dude.
47:46>> Mhm.
47:47>> And then guess whose standard graduation?
47:49>> Yeah. He said there was one guy. I think this was Remy who said this. He said there was one guy who was like hardcore crazy triathlete. Someone that they had been asking to come do buds for a long time and he finally agreed to do it. And everyone thought, you know, of course >> he's going to smoke it first.
48:04>> He was gone.
48:05>> He was gone.
48:05>> Of course. [snorts] >> Yeah, dude. That's the whole This is again this is what I coach people. It's great to be physically strong, which you have to be to be in a special operation unit, being in special forces or SEALs or whatever. You have to be physically strong. Give me a break, dude.
48:22>> But without that mental toughness, >> it's like having a Ferrari body with a Volkswagen engine in it.
48:30>> It just ain't going to work. And when you start heap and especially a program like Buds, you know, Buds is an amazing never been to it, but it's an amazing selection course to get to the SEAL teams and it's very very well thought out and it is its sole function is I'm sure like the first phase of it during Hellwake is just to weed out the guys that may be mentally or physically strong enough to do it, but they just don't have it mentally.
49:00>> They >> they just don't. And I'm sure you could ask anybody, Sean, or any of these guys that have been in the SEAL teams, just like SFAS selection. It's a physically demanding wear your ass down day after day after day where it gets to a point where, yeah, you're a physical stud, but you're past that now. You got blisters on your feet that are this big. I lost all my freaking toenails. I had a stress fracture. I mean, that physical fitness is not going to get you through that.
49:27>> Mhm.
49:27>> It's just not. Your mind is going to get you through that. You've got to take yourself to a place where you just kind of the pain is still there, but it's dulled. I don't know how to explain it.
49:38>> No, you're explaining it beautifully.
49:39>> Yeah, it's dulled. It's like, yeah, this [ __ ] sucks, but it's dulled. Or you're concentrating on somebody else.
49:45Like, and that's why they're so big on team stuff. Like, I would concentrate on another guy that maybe was having a trouble and focus on him. Hey, dude, let me help you out. And you're not worrying about your pain right now. I'm worried about him.
49:56>> That helps. Does it make it go away? No.
49:59Does it dull it? Yeah, it sure does.
50:01Yeah, it sure does. To a manageable point where you're like, I can deal with this for another day.
50:07>> And then you get to the next day. I can make it to dinner. You know what I mean?
50:11That's how you That's how you make it.
50:12That's how you make it through courses like that.
50:13>> So, you're gifying it in a way >> kind of, but you're not looking at like graduation. Like I looked at SFAS like the guys like, "Dude, just make it to dinner every night. Just say I'm going to show up to dinner. I'm showing up to dinner every night. That's it."
50:28Okay. You can't be thinking a week or two weeks or three. Like you just you can't. If you do, I think that's dangerous. You know, I think you're you're biting off more you can chew. But just I'm going to make it to dinner. You make it to dinner like, "Oh, cool. I made it. I can make it one more day."
50:46>> One more day.
50:47>> And that's how you get through courses.
50:49And dude, I'll be the first one to tell you, I was not prepared for SFAS. I showed up with brand new boots. As a matter of fact, I remember when I dumped my [ __ ] out, the the one instructor was like, "Don't even unpack." He looked at me and said, "Don't even unpack."
51:04Yeah. And so I suffered. You know, a lot of guys There's guys that Dude, there are guys that make it through selection courses like SFAS and Ranger School and Buds that come out the other side kind of like, "Yeah, that sucked." But they just were prepared mentally, physically, emotionally. And I'm sure you could ask guys besides myself like, "Yeah, there were a few guys like that that just me, you know, I wasn't one of them. You know, I suffered. I wasn't prepared. I didn't take the time to break my boots in. I didn't do enough ruck marching.
51:38Um, >> you know what though, in in getting to know you over the past year, you're one of these guys that there's something in you that and and we see this in in a lot of guys who do high level military stuff.
51:55It's not just that you crave the action, you also crave the challenge needing to get even bigger as you go. Like you crave the the difficulty of things. It's almost like that's that conquering gene that we all are born with cuz we're animals, right? There's something deep inside of us that makes us need to feel like we we got to the top of something.
52:16And you're always chasing that through for a long time it was adventure visav serving your country, but it's never really stopped. I mean, you do it now with your teaching in a lot of ways, constantly trying to push the boundaries depending on who the clientele is of of what you can do. But, you know, this was we haven't talked about it yet on camera. We should probably do it now.
52:35Like this is what Dual Survival was, too. I mean, obviously this this is a reality show on on Discovery, but we've already put up at least one of the pictures. Like, you really went to these places. You really got dropped into the worst spots. You really Yes, you had camera crews following you around, but one minute you're in the middle of a barren, dry desert that's 127 degrees.
52:54The next minute you're on an ice cap in [ __ ] Nova Scotia or something and with nothing else around and you have to survive. And to me, sitting at home, that [ __ ] seems crazy to me, right? Like I I enjoy my air conditioning and you know, so do I. Little bit [laughter] of heat. Little bit of heat once in a while. But it's I can't take my eyes off it. It's very It's very cool to watch.
53:13Like before you did that show, obviously you did Crazy Service where you did have to get dropped into most dangerous places and live off the land sometimes and stuff like that. But did you have an interest in that kind of thing previously that even predated your military days >> to be on TV?
53:31>> No. No. No. To to do things that you know to be like a survivalist to be someone who has to go into wild places and do wild [ __ ] >> No. Wasn't >> really.
53:41>> No.
53:41>> I like to hunt and fish when I was a kid. I used to, you know, uh I was a big bow hunter growing up and I love being out in the woods, don't get me wrong.
53:49like that was my sanctuary cuz I wasn't uh an athlete. [gasps] I was a train wreck growing up as a kid. Um you know I um I never played sports and I was that guy like if they had a pickup baseball game like oh you get tedy like I was that kid.
54:05>> But I was always very comfortable in the woods especially at night which was weird. like I felt I should be there, like I felt very safe and very comfortable where I think other kids would be like, "This is kind of creepy." But to be honest with you, man, I've always had a very big chip on my shoulder.
54:28>> Um, >> that makes sense.
54:30>> Growing up, you know, just never had the confidence as an athlete. I never had the confidence as a as a you know getting good grades because I didn't you know um shitty family life you know parents divorced just you know again I'm I'm not saying it's just I'm a pity it's I wouldn't want any other way it's just the the cards that I was dealt and I think that chip on my shoulder came at a very very early age um probably like when my parents divorced when I was seven and it just um it has stuck with And so like losing to me is extremely distasteful. I don't like the feeling of losing, especially
55:12when I have people telling me, "You're going to lose."
55:16Like my family did. You're not going to make it through Marine Corps Boot Camp.
55:19Like straight up. I had cousins and uncles saying like, "You're going to embarrass the entire family. Don't do this."
55:26That [ __ ] pissed me off. It pisses me off right now just talking about it. And I've done it and it still pisses me off.
55:32You know what I mean? like it's a weird weird thing. And I'll tell you one other thing that was said to me um that I didn't bring up on the last podcast, but I remember when I was going through the little psychological piece of of when I was in GR Branch and talking to a psychologist, um they they're looking for what was referred to as a predatory gene. So, >> I was like, you know, what the [ __ ] is that? And the only way I could explain it to you is it's not the thrill of the kill, it's the chase.
56:15Do you know what I mean? It's not the last I want to like like a lion.
56:21I want to chase your ass down. That's that's the thrill of it. The last That's over and done with like that.
56:29It's the that gets me excited that makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I like that feeling. I know it sounds kind of odd.
56:39>> No, it sounds exactly right, >> but it's a predatory type gene that they're looking for or mentality, whatever you want to call it, because understand that's what it takes to get to the last to put yourself in the position to flex cuff somebody and say, "You're coming with me or p done.
56:59>> Yeah, it's one or the other, but you have to get to that point and you have to like the thrill of the chase to get there. [gasps] >> I I hope that makes sense to people who are listening%. Yeah. And if it don't, I I may be explaining it incorrectly.
57:12>> No, it's good.
57:13>> Um, >> but I think that's another thing. I've always had that weird thrill of just pursuing something and trying to get good at it and failing obviously many many times growing up you know I just was not I wasn't that guy like dude I was not the poster boy let me tell you I I was not and I am not the poster boy for special operations I was very lucky that I was with the right people at the right time to mentor me to take me under their wing and make me a better version of myself that I would have never been on my own.
57:53Never, never, without the help of these people. Uh, and you're going to be interviewing one of them without mentioning his name. Big- time mentor of mine. Without him, I, you know, I would not be the best a better version of myself.
58:10>> Wow.
58:10>> Oh, yeah. And there's been several people in my life like that. And you know the credit actually belongs to them. I am nothing more than a um a person of of experiences and just being around [sighs and gasps] you know high performance people where you know good isn't good enough. You know you raise the bar even if it's that much you're raising it and then a little more and a little more. Like I would have never most people don't get to live a life like that where it's like I'm good at what I do and that's I'm good enough. That's most people.
58:48I just at an early age I wasn't that person. But it was just really frustrating because I couldn't be that person.
58:54>> I wanted [clears throat] to be it. I just didn't have it physically and mentally. You know what I mean? And it just took years to and I'm still not there. I mean give me a break, dude. I just I'm always I'm work in progress. I always tell it to my friends. I'm like, man, it's it's a never end. It's a zero.
59:09I call it a zero sum game.
59:11>> It's like it's [clears throat] like a moving target you can never hit, >> right?
59:15>> You're just never quite catching up to it, you know? Um, and I like that.
59:20>> I think if I ever got to the point, Julian, that I was like, h, I've done it all. I I don't I I can't even say that.
59:28It's so distasteful to me because it's like there's always something else you can do. There's always another Everest you can climb, so to speak. whatever that is of in your life. But I think when people get complacent [gasps] and they just get comfortable where they are, you kind of like die. Like to me, like it's not you're not you're just existing. You're not living. You know what I mean? Like you and I both know the difference of of existing and living. It's two completely different things. I don't want to exist.
60:00>> You You don't You live.
60:02>> Yeah. I want to live, dude. I want to live. And I live. I try to live every day. And I said this before, you know, like when I go to the gym, I've got a picture of my friend Mike that died in that helicopter crash. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below.
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