0:01So, let's let's get to the hand ringing story that DeF and I have been talking about today. Which, by the way, Def came in clutch. Did something a little different. Usually, when we do this show, people like a part of my job is like I'm looking through [ __ ] all week, period, before we ever even did this kind of show. So, like it's all floating around in there and we just let it rip.
0:28We let it rip on all the episodes. Def and I will meet right before we do this and just get the links organized so that we could do that quickly and then we roll on camera and that's it. With this missing scientist one, we wanted to actually >> really discuss some patterns here, play a lot of devil's advocate, which is important to do because this is not a straightforward story. First of all, spoiler alert, not all 11 are scientists. And it's weird. It's very very weird and there's a there there but it's still in the air what that is.
1:06So, as of I believe yesterday, there is now an 11th scientist linked to this string of cases of either disappeared and still not found slash dead slashmurdered.
1:25>> Yep.
1:25>> Again, scientists.
1:28And to be clear, this is not all from a two-eek period or something like that.
1:32This is from a 2022 to 2026 period. These are spread out which right away says it also creates at least the probability of there being some just pure coincidence >> does increase when you spread out the time length on that. De, you put together like a before you came in here is awesome. Like a basic review of just the basic facts across each thing. So I want to have that for you and me up here just to refer to and we'll we'll kind of go through that. But >> I want to start by categorizing the missing scientist.
2:16So one guy was a cancer researcher. I'm going to talk about him in a minute at Novartis.
2:22He is He is to me, spoiler alert, I'm going to rule him out as I I shouldn't say rule him out. I'm going to cast extremely strong doubts on his ties to any of these other people or this overall casing. And I'll explain that more in a minute. Next, you have three different people that worked at Los Alamos and the Kansas City Nuclear Laboratory. I forget the official name for it that were not scientists, but they had access to things.
2:55>> Mhm.
2:55>> Interesting. Then you have the latest dead scientist who was a real scientist who was actually, I believe, technically the first dead of anyone on this list.
3:06She just got reported on yesterday. And this is Amy Esgridge, who was the CEO of her own company in Huntsville, Alabama, which is where NASA has some headquarters and works on some interesting rocket propulsion stuff and anti-gravity and [ __ ] like that.
3:22So you got cancer scientist, Amy Assridge, the three people that aren't scientists but work at very important places. Then you have the MIT professor who was working on like plasma mechanics, crazy physics, and was a genius respected professor and physicist at MIT who was gunned down in December reportedly by the same guy who two days before killed nine college or killed two college students and injured nine in a mass shooting at Brown University.
3:54>> I'm going to discuss that more as well.
3:57And then you have five people who do different things that are in some way tied to NASA's JPL which what is it that >> Jet is it Jet Propulsion?
4:09>> Yes. Jet Propulsion Laboratory.
4:11>> Yep.
4:12>> One of whom is the guy who made this case a thing. I believe he was the ninth reported scientist that then it got put together as a story which is General Macascal. Is that how you say it?
4:24>> Uh Macasslin.
4:26>> Macasslin. I'm sorry. So, very interesting. We're going to discuss him.
4:30He disappeared on Friday, February 27th, in the hours before the Iran war. That might be nothing.
4:41It was interesting to me. We'll get there. I told you I would start with the Novartis cancer researcher, though, because this is the one that just doesn't make sense to me as being interrelated. First of all, he's not working on anything nuclear. He's not working on anything involving physics.
4:57Obviously, he was a pretty high level cancer researcher at Noardis. So, he's working on something very important.
5:03Also, something that people speculate out there, I believe correctly that perhaps certain cures or potential things that could be funded to be a cure are being hidden because >> biotech and and big pharma makes a lot of money >> on drugs that don't necessarily save people. But if you look at this guy, his name Jason Thomas. He disappeared on December 12th, 2025, I believe. I'll get to that in a minute. On his LinkedIn, it says, "Lead and work alongside an integrated team experienced in biochemical/biohysical techniques, chemical synthesis, and mass spectrome mass spectrometry that bridges the gap between chemical concept and
5:42biological education." Now, there's a lot of big words there and word salad stuff, but again, it was all related to cancer research. Now, outside of this being an entirely different field than anyone else >> here, the backstory of Jason Thomas's disappearance is also extremely important for context.
6:04A month before he disappeared, Jason Thomas, who is a married guy with no kids, he and his wife have five dogs. He was an only child, which I can relate to, whose mother was sick a month before and died on hospice. An hour after his mom died, he and his dad were making funeral arrangements and his dad had a heart attack, killed over and died in his arms. He was extremely extremely depressed. He and his wife go out on December 12th. They come with friends.
6:37They come back late. He had been really struggling and they had at least had like a decent time. And when they got home, she went up to the bedroom and around I want to say it was like 11:45, 11:50 p.m. she she realized that he wasn't in there with her. So, she walked outside and he was at she she had heard a slam on the mailbox and he was at the mailbox. They made eye contact. She went back inside a half hour later, like she fell asleep for a second, woke up and realized he still wasn't there and the lights were left on. She went outside, didn't see him, and then within a few hours was like, "Okay." He didn't come
7:16home. His body was later believed to be recovered in March 2026. He had left like his Apple Watch, I want to say, in the mailbox or something like that. He left everything behind.
7:29I to me I would say this this is probably some sort of suicide. He was very very depressed and I don't and they recovered his body. He's not missing. They they did recover his body here and I I I don't see why he would have been killed.
7:50If there are people out there who have more information on the very specifics of what he was working on, please share there. There there was one more thing here that is not talked about as far as I can see on this case. It's a really anecdotal thing that I think about a lot and I actually called my guy who's going to be at the middle of this story about this. But about eight years ago, a friend of mine, really good dude, really smart guy who worked high up in in pharma, which you know, you don't brag about these days, but >> really really solid dude. I remember him telling me, I'm not going to say what
8:29company, but he was working at this major company. He had an extremely high level job. And he was telling me about this cancer therapy specifically for stage 4 about to die patients that he was funding basically like through his job at the company. Basically, I I think the way he put it was like for the good of humankind cuz it's not for the good of my job. It's just the right thing to do.
8:58And reason being because it was not only not making them any money at the time, they were hemorrhaging money on it, but it was called CARTT therapy. Essentially what it involved, and this back in 2017, 2018, so think about what it could be now. What it involved is they would remove the te- cells, the white blood cells from a patient, take it outside the body, genetically re-engineer it to be able to fight just cancer cells, reinsert it back into their body, the new amunotherapy material. And at the I believe what he said at the time was like we saw an 80 they were seeing internal numbers that were like 85%
9:36cure, >> which is crazy. And I remember, I'll never forget where I was when I was talking with him about this. I remember saying to him, I'm like, "So, you're saying that for the cancers you're testing, this could potentially be somewhat close to a cure?" And he's like, "I'm not saying anything. I'm just saying it's really [ __ ] interesting, and I'm going to keep losing money on it because it's just for the good."
10:01You wonder when you see a guy like this disappeared, even if it's related to these other scientists, you wonder. Mhm.
10:08>> If it wasn't he was depressed just about his parents or whatever. It's also like maybe they [ __ ] around and found something. They're like, "No, no, no, no, no. We don't we don't share that.
10:21That doesn't work." Same reason why they don't they want to block all these [ __ ] on a lower level. This is a lesser example, but they want to block all these psychedelics and stuff because it's not a subscription model like SSRIs, which just yeah >> dim you over time.
10:38>> So that I just want to give that side context, but in the full context of this story of 11 missing people, he does not make sense to me.
10:48The second one I want to talk about is the MIT physicist. What how do you say this guy's name again?
10:56Nuno Lorero.
10:57>> Yeah.
10:58>> Okay.
10:59>> Nuno Lorero.
11:00>> Can you pull up? Just let's stick with a basic here. Can you pull up the Brown 2025 Brown shooting Wikipedia page?
11:09And these this is the government story.
11:12That's why we're going straight to Wikipedia on this. So on December 13th, 2025, a mass shooting occur at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island.
11:21During the second day of final examination week for the fall semester, the shooter, Cladio Manuel Neves Valente, entered the Baris and Holly building and killed two students and wounded nine other students who were attending a review session and then fled the scene before police arrived. 2 days later on December 15th, Nuno Lorero, an MIT physics professor and former classmate of Valente, was fatally shot at his home in Brooklyn, Massachusetts.
11:47During a 5-day manhunt by the FBI and local police officials, released images and video of the perpetrator, whose identity was initially unknown. He was a Portuguese national with a United States permanent resident status and former graduate student at Brown University. On December 18th, he was found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound inside a storage unit in New Hampshire. He was found with two guns. Officials said the suicide weapon was the gun used in the Brown University shooting. Law enforcement agencies alleged him to be responsible for the shooting. If you go down on the page, Steve, go down to the
12:23aftermath, like the so no below that the investigation what's discussed in here. I don't need to read the whole thing, but they also recovered videos, I believe, at the storage unit where he admitted on video to having planned out these shootings for a long time. And and what the government said is that there was no motive.
12:45>> Yep. Right there. And let me go pure spec for a minute.
12:50>> Hit it.
12:51>> Let's throw in the tin foil.
12:52>> Hit it.
12:55>> I don't see He was a classmate of this very prominent MIT physicist who was working on plasma mechanics and highle physicist [ __ ] So you can little animosity. You can Yeah, it could be that. But you can tie it back. There's some strands of ties of similar things that are potentially world changing being worked on.
13:18>> Gotcha. Okay.
13:19>> That you can at least say, "Ah, maybe maybe there's something with these other guys who are disappeared for this guy."
13:25Unlike the cancer researcher, Jason. But you wonder, no motive.
13:37admits on video, cleans it up, goes to a storage unit, kills himself. Government gets to say case closed.
13:46We don't talk about it again.
13:51My mind goes a little MK Ultra on that.
13:55It's possible.
13:58>> Probable. No, >> possible. Pure spec. Pure spec. Okay. I like how it put in here like during the um interviews, Brown Valente was often unhappy and even angry complaining that classes were too easy and that the food on Brown's campus was subpar.
14:15>> During what interviews?
14:16>> Yeah, I'm reading right here.
14:19A physics professor. Oh, that's how the physics professor described.
14:23>> Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So, how someone remembers them. But food was subpar. I I am going to let them know. I brought this one up secondly because it's also a little bit removed and there's at least we know the killer >> and we know what's going on. So I kind of mark this one as like very light yellow.
14:46>> Yeah.
14:46>> Maybe maybe not. I basicallyish a lot of ways lean towards ruling out the Jason the cancer researcher. This one I'm in that direction just not as strong cuz this guy was a serious serious dude and it's weird how like oh yeah case closed nothing to see here. Yeah d terrible mass shooter went a little crazy you know his old old professors were even talking about it. What are you going to do? You know >> could have got maided. Yeah, that was that was interesting. What's up, guys?
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15:38The next three that I want to talk about are people who are at least as reported in no way scientists. Okay. So, there is, how do you say her name?
15:50>> Melissa.
15:51>> Cassis.
15:53Melissa Casius.
15:55>> Melissa was a 53year-old executive assistant at Los Alamos.
16:01>> All right. This is not someone that was [ __ ] printing the nuclear codes or anything like that. No.
16:06>> Who she was an executive assistant to >> is completely unreported.
16:11>> Yep.
16:11>> Your idea is as good as mine. But just to review for people out there, things that happen at Los Alamos, which is the famous lab tied to nuclear lore, we've talked about in many contexts on this show. If you've seen OP Oppenheimer, well, there you go. But at Los Alamos, they have things including nuclear weapons and stockpile stewardship, nuclear non-prololiferation and counterterrorism roles, exercises, high performance computing and simulation, nuclear physics and accelerator science, high magnetic field research, astrophysics and fusion research, material science, stockpile, cyber security, energy and climate research,
16:50space exploration and geoysics. I mean the list goes, you get the point. A lot of important stuff here. A lot of extremely highly classified stuff that goes beyond just nuclear weapons and goes into what's up there and everything. So, Casius disappears sometime around midday. When did she disappear? This was >> It was after lunch with >> Yeah, but but 2025.
17:18>> Um, we'll find out.
17:20>> 2025.
17:21>> 2025. So what month >> Dave will get that but >> basically she doesn't go to work requests to work remotely that day. This is June 2025.
17:37>> Gets lunch with her daughter if she's 53. Presumably the daughter's out I don't know this for a fact but presumably the daughter's out of >> like grade school and stuff like she's not she's somewhat of an adult if not a full-blown adult. So, it's not like it's midday of school where she just had lunch with her daughter.
17:56>> And then after having lunch with her daughter, she leaves her home with nothing, including no phone. And she had done a factory reset on her phone.
18:06>> Yeah. That's the real head scratcher on this one.
18:09>> Yeah.
18:10>> Yeah. And she's never been seen again.
18:12There's no body.
18:13>> Nope.
18:16Now, this could be this could be a situation where she saw something she wasn't supposed to see.
18:31And maybe she wasn't the only one either. But the other people, you know, they got the call. They got the call from our friend Liam Niss.
18:40>> They were like, "Listen," >> he said, "I have a particular set of skills."
18:43>> Mhm. skills that make me a danger to people like you.
18:47>> Sound Irish >> if you Well, he was kind of he was he was still there was a little bit of the Irish accent on that call. He let it slip. He was supposed to blame American, but he's like, you know, if you give this up now, I'll let you go and that'll be the end of it. If not, I will find you and I will kill you.
19:05Like, so if you wonder, maybe this call goes to other people Los Alamos who were like, "Yeah, see no evil here. No evil." Listen, bro. Yeah, I was just smoking weed out back on my break.
19:16I didn't see anything about that nuclear bomb being brought in with a blue alien.
19:20I You don't even have to do the [ __ ] Men in Black thing on me. Like, we're good, fam. I ain't going to say [ __ ] And, you know, then they get a dead bird in their mail as a reminder. And they're like look around all scared. Someone [ __ ] pictures them in the in the unmarked car over there and points at them and then drives away really slowly and they shake and go inside and that person then reports back like, "Yeah, now he's scared shitless. We're good."
19:47But maybe Casius maybe, again, pure spec, >> pure spec.
19:52>> Maybe she was like, "This is wrong."
19:56Maybe she was a really good I don't know anything about her. Maybe she was like a really good person. whatever she saw, not only couldn't she unsee, she couldn't not say. And then maybe maybe she was going back and forth on it. You know, Liam Niss's calling her, making these threats. He gives her like a second and third call and says, "I know that I said that would be the end of it right then, but I'm going to give you another chance for it to be the end of it."
20:22>> Yeah, >> this will really be the end of it. And maybe it still wasn't the end of it. And so then she's like, you know, they're coming for me. I got lunch today.
20:33>> Yeah. Maybe she she basically says goodbye to her daughter when nothing says nothing. I don't know. And then maybe she was going to a meeting and they said, "All right, if if we need to talk about this and you can't bring your phone, factory reset your phone because they could I don't know. I I'm I'm really going down the rabbit hole here.
20:53I don't [ __ ] know people. I'm guessing. But like the factory reset's weird.
20:59>> The factory resets really weird. What I wonder is if she did that or if that was done after >> Yeah.
21:06>> to clean it up. Someone said, "Come meet me. We'll take care of this."
21:10>> Yep.
21:11>> Don't bring your phone.
21:12>> Wipe it up.
21:13>> They're tracking you. Just leave it.
21:15Leave it behind.
21:16>> Mhm.
21:17>> She goes somewhere. She gets bagged or killed, whatever it is.
21:22>> They go back and they factory reset her phone. Nobody knows nothing. Possible.
21:28The next guy who disappeared was 78-year-old Steven Garc.
21:36I'm sorry. Anthony I get the two of them mixed up. Anthony Chavez.
21:39>> So Anthony Chavez worked at Los Alamos and he was retired.
21:47He disappears in what? June.
21:49>> Yeah. Anthony. No, May. May.
21:51>> Last May. So same time.
21:54same time as same time period as as Casius does.
21:59>> His previous work before Los Alamos was at an HVAC company, >> which then led people to say he was working on something similar at Los Alamos. Again, it's HVAC. He's not [ __ ] doing the nuclear codes here, but he had def found it. He had a top level clearance because I would imagine, you know, there's HVAC next to the [ __ ] nukes, maybe next to the aliens.
22:24Maybe Danny Shehan's right and the Nordics are down there. I don't know.
22:27Refer to episode 246. Your guess is as good as mine. But like maybe Chavez or not Chavez.
22:38>> Yeah, it is Chavez. Sorry. Maybe Chavez saw something and then maybe, you know, he's ripping chain smoking his Mar barrels. He apparently left his smokes behind, so he's a smoker.
22:50>> And you know, he's like, "Fuck, I got to tell somebody about this shit." Picks up the phone.
22:55>> He calls his buddy Eddie and he's like, "Eddie, you're not going to believe this [ __ ] They made a nuke. They put it on Mars.
23:05Like, we've been to Mars, bro. I saw the footage. Like Matt, it wasn't just Matt Damon. Like we have been to Mars and I'm just there fixing the [ __ ] air conditioner cuz it was on 67 and they needed it on 65. The footage is playing.
23:21They asked me if I wanted some of the [ __ ] lunch there. I came over, got the lunch and they're like, "Oh [ __ ] you're not supposed to see that. Don't tell nobody." And I don't know, man.
23:32Like I just keep sitting up at night thinking about this and [ __ ] like isn't the aren't they talking about maybe bombing Iran right now? Like there's something going on out there. It's all tied together. And meanwhile, you know, Black Cube is listening on the phone. Somebody's listening on the phone. CIA somebody. And they're like, "Ah, it's Eddie. Eddie's actually Eddie's working. Eddie's an inside man.
23:57>> Eddie's the guy." He like, "You mean to tell me they're making a move? with aliens in them. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. Eddie, you're crazy, man.
24:06>> You're crazy, man. Crazy. Go.
24:07>> You [ __ ] crazy, man.
24:09>> So, he opens his mouth, maybe, says something, and then he gets the call.
24:20>> Yeah.
24:21>> I have a particular set of skills, and you're [ __ ] And they tell him to go meet. Now, he left all his [ __ ] behind at home, too, right?
24:30>> Yeah. and and and we'll we'll obviously be diving into the rest of them, but like one the big thing that I just keep feeling like is there's like the alarm gets hit. Yes. The alarm gets hit and they're like, "All right, you know where to go. Leave all your shit."
24:43>> It's very weird. You'll see it across the rest of these. Basically, by the way, of these 11 total, which includes Jason, the cancer researcher, two are confirmed murdered, four are confirmed dead, one with suicide, the others with potential suicide or no foul play. We'll get to that. And five are missing. Yep.
25:06This is one of the two at Los Alamos are missing. And then there's a third one from another laboratory in Kansas City.
25:15What's that one called? What's the official name of that thief?
25:17>> Yeah, I got you. That is called the Kansas City National Security Campus.
25:21>> And what do they do at the Kansas City National Security Campus?
25:25>> They manufacture 80% of all of the non-nuclear components that go into building the military's nuclear weapons.
25:33>> Okay. Enter Steven Garcia. That's his name, right?
25:37>> Yep.
25:38>> Okay. Steven Garcia did have a top level clearance, right?
25:43Yep. and he was on the security side of things responsible for overseeing all of effectively most of the equipment assets.
25:54>> He was the uh his title was property custodian. Yes. But it did give him all of those highest level clearances. So, just like in Night at the Museum when Ben Stiller had access to all the [ __ ] you know, the alive Teddy Roosevelt and [ __ ] the dinosaurs that would come back and all these like amazing things that he knew about just as the security guy sitting there and chewing gum.
26:21This guy could have been the same thing.
26:23Again, not a nuclear physicist. He's not reinventing E= MC², nothing like that. But if someone were to know or accidentally have access to where I don't know, the bodies are buried around there, this he'd be a good candidate.
26:43And I want to bring this up. You've heard me talk about the Gideon Spies book before and the first chapter in there, which is a book from the late 90s discussing a lot of, in this case, Israeli espionage and things like that.
26:57But this is I'm going to relate this.
26:59This has nothing to do with Israel. This is related to espionage as a whole. A strategy that's very famously discussed in that first chapter that I talked about five or six episodes ago of this these solo episodes is the idea of splitting the difference when it comes to a source. And the context where it's discussed in the first chapter of that book is as it relates to in my favorite hotel in Paris, the Ritz. So the Katchcha Enri or not Enri Peter whatever they called him in the book it was a fake name. He was trying to procure a source at the Ritz and the source, the way they explain is the source can't be as low as a janitor
27:44because they don't know enough. They don't get access to enough real things and they're not they don't understand all the ins and outs and comes and goings of the hotel, right? But the source also can't be as high as the guy running the whole [ __ ] place because now you get too close to the [ __ ] sun. You're you're flying too close to it. You want to get someone in between who has access and can float under the radar. And the guy that they were targeting. And it was a real Kata targeting this guy at the time back in 1997 was Henri who Enri Paul who ended up being the driver for Princess Diana where she was killed and he was
28:21killed as well which was certainly very interesting side story but he was perfect because he didn't manage the place. He wasn't the janitor, but he was the chauffour.
28:31>> And he was in charge of getting very VIP people from one place to the other, which meant he knew who was there. He knew when they had to go somewhere, what time that was going to happen, not only how it was going to happen, but he was [ __ ] doing it. When you see a guy like Steven Garcia, let's relate that back. He's not a janitor. And janitors have to have some kind of clearance, too, because, you know, there's [ __ ] toilets around important stuff sometimes. and things like that. Like dead seriously, I don't say that as a joke. Like they're clean, you know, they're cleaning hallways where there's
29:03actual stuff that they might be able to see.
29:05>> Oh yeah.
29:06>> But they may not I something tells me they don't have the janitor mopping the floors of like the atomic propulsion system every night. That's probably frowned upon.
29:17>> Yeah.
29:17>> You know, whereas the actual scientists are work, you know, the highest level scientists are working on this. They're highly connected, highly educated, know a lot of people. It's messy to try to cultivate a source like that or compromise someone like that.
29:37But then in the middle, you got the one of the lead security guys who knows where everything is. If you if you showed them a map, like they show that soldier the map in in Englorious Bastards and say, "Where's the pos where's position ah command?" He can point to everything on there because he's not the general, but he gets all the orders and he understands where things are. It's the same potential kind of thing here. So, this guy, Steven Garcia, he's another one who's disappeared. We haven't found him. Left, what did he leave his house without?
30:13>> Stephen uh walked out of his house on foot with nothing but a handgun.
30:19>> Nothing but a handgun. So, again, let's go back to the phones here. Let's work the thumbs.
30:24Stephen, we know you know about the new reactor.
30:28>> Yeah.
30:29>> You're going to tell us where it is. Go [ __ ] yourself.
30:31>> I can't.
30:32>> Stephen, I'm not asking.
30:35>> Yeah.
30:36>> We know where your mother lives. Here's her address.
30:41Open up your phone. They send him a picture of the mom's house.
30:44>> Oh, [ __ ] [ __ ] >> Oh my god. Yo, that's You don't [ __ ] touch my mom, bro. And they're like, "Here's what you're going to do. You're going to come meet us. Don't play cowboy unarmed." He goes, "All right, yeah, yeah, I'll come meet you." He's like, "Yo, [ __ ] these motherfuckers."
31:00>> It's like, "I'm going out."
31:01>> [ __ ] up.
31:03>> Goes out.
31:04>> Never seen Never seen again. Pure spec.
31:07>> Pure respect.
31:07>> Listen, I got to I got to paint a picture here. We got to at least try.
31:12That one was interesting to me. I code that one yellow. Could be nothing. Could be unrelated. He's not a scientist, but he did know where some bodies are buried.
31:21When did he disappear again, D?
31:24>> Steven disappeared back um August 2025.
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33:03So, in review, cancer researcher, MIT physicist, they're kind of out on their own separate islands.
33:12The three people working at Los Alamos/C Kansas City who are not scientists.
33:19And now, let's go to the latest one, Amy Escridge.
33:25Amy Escridge was 34 years old, I believe, and she died in 2022. And the Daily Mail just put this all together.
33:35And remind me right after this, Steve, I want to come to your timeline of the story coming together, too. That was really good. Steve put together a great timeline of like how this got into the mainstream of like us all looking at it.
33:46But Amy Esgridge did not work for the government. She worked for her own company whose name was long and it escapes me right now. also known as the gravity research institute.
33:56>> Wait, that was the name?
33:57>> That that's like the name. It was called the Exa Exotic Sciences Institute, also known as >> Okay. The Gravity Research Institute.
34:05>> Yep. She was working on anti-gravity.
34:08She was working on the stuff that my friend Jesse Michaels has been obsessed with and has done some great work on.
34:14You can think along the lines of some of the Townson Brown research he's done. You also char Charles Charles Beron recently discussed this. It gets to things that defy gravity and you wonder where the technology comes from and if it was emanated from things that are not of this earth that we're in possession of.
34:32It gets weird, but it is a real physics concept and something that there's a lot of people who believe and believe they have some evidence with it as well that we do have it and it does exist and we know how to do it and how we got that is up for argument, but certainly something that would be scientifically earthshattering, no pun intended. So Amy worked on this stuff and she worked down in Huntsville which means she's working with like when she's running her own company.
35:03Def you're dealing with the government as clients.
35:07>> Yeah.
35:08>> You're working on a contractual basis.
35:10NASA has a famous base there in Huntsville. This is where a lot of the Operation Paperclip guys went that does a lot of rocket propulsion stuff.
35:20There's been some folklore related and that's actually a very that's a really conservative way of saying it. Some I said folklore but like some folklore related to UFOs and UAP from down there. The other one you always hear about with that as it pertains to military related places or government related places is not just Area 51 but right Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio which is a whole kind of separate thing. Did you have something?
35:49I just wanted to make note that she is dealing with NASA a lot in what she's doing. They even did pull back in 2020.
35:56She was going to be planning to present novel foundational work regarding anti-gravity, but she needed approval from NASA.
36:03>> Okay. So, she also said in 2022, what was the exact quote, DeF? Yeah. So, um this was during a podcast.
36:14If you stick your neck out in public, at least someone notices if your head gets chopped off. If you stick your neck out in private, they will bury you. They will burn down your house while you're sleeping in your bed, and it won't even make the news. That's why the institute exists.
36:29That was her Institute. She also had a direct quote, I forget where I put it, where she talked about her life being in danger.
36:39Yeah. She said, "Ah, damn it."
36:48Yeah. She warned, "My life is in d."
36:49It's in the headline of a Daily Mail article as a quote, quote, who UFO ling scientists who quote warned, "My life is in danger," unquote. Found dead at 34 becomes 11th mysterious case. And the part of that that they should have been more clear on that was a little bit misleading is they it made it sound like she was found dead yesterday. She found dead in 2022.
37:11And you know, this is a brilliant woman with a million degrees working on some crazy [ __ ] Stuff that is, you know, in the te technological race of just the world itself, a country gets to that kind of stuff first, not only do you not want to tell people, but you are 10 steps ahead of any other country before they even find out they're behind.
37:36and her disappearance. This is this is this is more of a red one for me. This is more like something there. Again, it's four years ago, though. So, let's look at that timeline of this story developing, DeF.
37:54And real quick, before we do that, I'm going to hit the head and then we'll we'll be right back. Okay.
37:59All right. We're back. Before we keep going into this, Steve, I just want to say something. looking at the time. We are there's no way we're going to end up getting to Swallwell and some of that stuff today. So, what'll happen is Def and I will record that. That'll be bonus content on Patreon and we'll probably cover that next week. And if we don't get to Bilderberg as well, Ditto will definitely go deeper into that next week. Just don't let me forget that, De.
38:23But I just want to put that out there because we knew we were not going to get through the whole missing scientist thing today. But there's still more that we really got to get to. And then we're going to continue to look at this next week with some of the work we've been doing on it and some of the news that'll come out. But de, you had something on Amy.
38:40>> Yeah. With Amy and and again, I guess you could say this about a couple of the others where they'll happen and then they get announced four years, five years later. But with a with Amy, what was interesting was there was no police report.
38:53um of her self-inflicted gunshot. Uh no autopsy and rapid cremation was ordered.
39:01>> So those were >> who ordered it? The family.
39:03>> Um I I I could keep looking. I couldn't I couldn't get anything concrete to say.
39:09>> Interesting.
39:11Interesting. So the fact that she's saying and again people get paranoid sometimes but then she does off herself and you wonder if that's what it was the fact that someone like that was working so closely to something so important though and then >> what else? Well, I'll also I just remembered too the day after she, you know, offs herself, her institute is shut down and the web page is taken off the internet, >> gone like it was never there.
39:45>> Yep.
39:47I wonder who else has access to that.
39:49Did she had a husband >> or didn't she? Cuz that's another thing with a lot of these people. Their spouses were serious people too. in some cases literally working on other areas of science which is fascinating.
40:04But while DeF is looking at that, I said I would talk about the genesis of this story and how it came together because that that's worth considering in that you do have to wonder about distractions for everything. It's unfortunate, but we do. And so Deep's timeline that perfectly lays out how this hit the mainstream.
40:27February 19th, Obama says aliens are real on a podcast. It goes viral globally. February 20th, kneedeep in the Epstein stuff. A week before the Iran stuff, Donald Trump goes, "Hey, look at the shiny object. I've directed the Pentagon to release UFO files. We're going to give you transparency." Trying to get the attention off the [ __ ] story. Which, by the way, I don't know if you if you saw, the Pentagon already missed a deadline on that. violation of some law.
40:52>> Yeah, I saw I saw that.
40:53>> Neither here nor there. February 27th, General McCaslin, who we haven't discussed yet, >> is reported to disappear in the hours before the Iran invasion. He He's the wildest one in this whole case, by the way. That's what really sent this thing because then shortly after that in March, the Daily Mail investigation begins. They aggregate three to four years of these separate cases, put it into one pattern and then all you get all the way to April 15th when I believe when the Amy Esgridge story is coming out. So we have 11 Peter Dussy literally in the White House asked Caroline Levit, the press
41:29secretary about it and she said they're going to look into it and then Trump is asked about it on the White House lawn later outside of Marine Chopper One wherever the [ __ ] it's called and says, "Yeah, we're going to put an investigation onto it." Which means Steve, our boy want fish and cash up on it, baby.
41:46>> He's going to get to the bottom.
41:47>> He's going to GET TO THE BOTTOM of it.
41:49When cash is looking, you can cash your check because you already won your [ __ ] bet. And when he's looking, that's the best part. He can look at two places at once, you know? He's he's a multitasker.
42:01>> Would he be considered the favorite or the I guess he would be the favorite when you're betting on these things since he's like on home turf, works for the government, All I'm saying is hammer the underdog then.
42:12>> I hammer hammer the >> Yeah. So, we we'll see if the investigation turns anything up. But I say this because >> you do wonder about trying to create another I have to say this a another potential shiny object for all of us to look at and say, "Oo, look at that."
42:33>> You know, to get our mind off the stuff that matters. And then you already see the ties in timing and people personnel between Epstein and Iran.
42:45And then you start thinking about the ties between Epstein, nuclear physics, and oh, I don't know, aliens.
42:53It gets weird. You know, look, Zoro Ranch is 100 miles from Los Alamos. It's not a nextdoor neighbor or anything, but Jeffrey Epstein was obsessed with anti-gravity among many other things.
43:07>> It's a day trip.
43:07>> It's a It's a day trip. It >> is a day trip. Come on.
43:11>> Take out the Tahoe.
43:12>> Well, listen. We If we pull out by 8, we're there by lunch.
43:15>> We're there by lunch.
43:16>> Come on. That's right.
43:20>> You wonder You wonder if like maybe there will be a tie there. And that is really Bruce Beck, you know? That's I I don't have any I don't have any evidence. Let me be very clear on that.
43:30I have zero evidence whatsoever.
43:33>> It's like me with anything I say when I walk in here on any given day. Oh, where'd you hear? Oh, yeah.
43:38>> I just thought it.
43:40>> But I'm just saying some of the themes at the top level are interesting. And when you look at them all, you're like, are they interrelated? Is this a part of the play that they're putting on for us?
43:50And we have to say applause >> or do the applause when they say to do the applause. I don't know. But the fact that this got mainlined when it did and now you have it so mainstream that mainstream media, White House reporters are asking about it and then reposting it on social and the White House is directly addressing it, saying, "We're going to investigate it." Now congressmen have come out and said, "Yeah, it's really weird. We got to investigate." It's another thing to talk about to where people don't talk about the giant satanic pedophile ring that seem to be operating with complete diplomatic immunity on United States
44:26soil and conducting arms deals for a [ __ ] super government of Bilderberers and Rothschilds and bankers around the world to fund all the wars where we all die and everybody's happy. I don't know.
44:38That's just me. But hey, aliens are real. Aliens are real. And you know, I'm obsessed with the aliens thing. as as a side note, I am I certainly believe we are not alone in the universe. I've done a lot of podcasts in the past related to the UFO topic. If you've noticed, I haven't really done one in a long time. The only people I've discussed that with are literal physicists that have been in here. And the reason is, and I've talked about this publicly before, back in episodes 266 and 267, which were recorded the same day here with James Fox and Jason Sans, when the Jason Sans thing happened, I'm
45:13not going to get into the full story, but he was an alleged witness, nice guy, when he came out and was pushed upon James Fox to be put into J, who's a very good friend of mine, brilliant documentarian, to be put in James Fox's latest documentary, The Program, that came out in December. nomber 2024 when it was pushed upon him and then Jason Sans made claims that were verifiably not true. It's a whole separate story but verifiably not true.
45:41I knew the people that had pushed that upon James and I can't say who they are that's off record but like there are people that have pushed other stuff in the past that I viewed as like oh that's interesting even if it's not like true like oh maybe there's something there and now that puts all that into question and so I do feel like including people I've had in here related to the government or around the government as it pertains aliens. I do feel like a lot of that is a distraction for something. Meaning, they're giving you a real idea. Aliens, they're giving you another real idea.
46:20Things in the sky we don't know about that could be related to aliens/weaponry/ stuff we don't want people to know about. Another real idea. Yeah, the government works on this. It's compartmentalized and there's serious physicists like [ __ ] Jacqu Valet and and how put offs of the world working on this and they work handinhand with literal spies and military guys on it.
46:41All potentially true. But by the way, here's all the information about videos we have and witnesses we have and things that happen and it's definitely all true. And I look at that and I go, I don't think so on a lot of them.
46:53Doesn't mean the whole thing doesn't exist. Sometimes I wonder if that's the point. to de let me invent a word here to decredize the whole [ __ ] industry so that people go h it's all [ __ ] which I don't want to do but I am very obsessed with what we do know and trying to find something the scratch on the surface that's like oo maybe that's some real information and so when I see these people scientists working on rock we're going to talk about that in a second working on rockets working on propulsion working on anti-gravity which we already did just discuss with Amy And you know, people who have access to information
47:30that's classified that could be related to things not of this earth. It does make the story a little more interesting. But again, the timing of them putting it together should be setting off a potential alarm bell and take with a grain of salt given the fact that there's a lot of things that they would like to distract from right now of their own making. They meaning the entire [ __ ] system. Okay.
47:56Democrats, Republicans, all of them.
47:59That's got to be said. The last part of this story that we're going to cover this week is the the basics of the last five who are tied together and then we are going to go deep >> next week on the top of the pyramid here because >> yeah, I was going to say it's going to need >> that needs that needs its air.
48:20>> We got to marinate that. We got to marinate that. But the last five people I've saved from this list of 11 all have some direct correlation related to JPL jet propulsion laboratory projects related to NASA and that is General Mccasin the very very decorated Air Force general >> Michael David Hicks Frank Maywald Monica Raza and Carl Gorillaar I want to start with Carl. Carl is an astrophysicist at Caltech who's worked and advised on projects related to JPL. Of all of them, he's the least related to JPL, but he's been around it.
49:01>> Yep.
49:01>> The story there is weird, but again, you got to I I have him marked yellow and and here's why. He was killed, murdered on his front porch.
49:11>> Yeah. in February 2026.
49:17His wife says it is not related to any of this.
49:22And that doesn't mean that is the case.
49:24But she's like absolutely not. It's not related to any of this. But here's what's weird about it. The 29-year-old man whose name elude escapes me right now who killed him in February, Freddy Snider was caught by Carl roaming around Carl's yard in December 2025 with a gun to which I believe it was Carl himself, correct me in the comments if I have that detail wrong, somebody called the cops. He was arrested and because the laws, you know, are basically catch and release for [ __ ] everything in California.
49:57Thanks, Gavin. You know, he's let out of jail and two months later he comes back to Carl's house and this time unfortunately finishes the job again. Is it like an MK Uldra kind of thing? I I don't know. But it's fascinating that a guy who happens to be tied to this same thing these other scientists are dying under weird circumstances or disappearing on or have information on in the same time period is just killed by a random 29year-old with no motive who's sitting in jail right now awaiting trial. It's interesting, but certainly in in respect to his family and I I I do want to say that we have we do these stories in an
50:38in an entertaining educational way. It it should go without saying these are all real people. These are families who have lost these people and that is a very serious thing and I do not want to make light of that at all. So I do think it's important that the wishes of not the wishes the the explanation of the family to believe to publicly tell people we don't think this is related that doesn't need to be said and I hope it's not by the way it's not going to bring him back but I I I hope it's not because it's even more sinister if it is related but fascinating that in this same time period he's gunned down on his porch no motive
51:17Mark Kim yellow Michael David Hicks I believe was the one who cause of death was not announced he died in 2023 and donations were asked to be given to alcoholics anom anonymous >> yes sir >> also marked him yellow because it well it doesn't give a cause of death certainly doesn't mention suicide doesn't mention murder or anything like that and it does allude to the fact that he had a drinking problem this is a scientist who worked in the JPL laboratory and he was Burking. He was a research scientist who participated in NASA's Dart project, an experiment to determine whether it is possible to divert potentially hazardous asteroids
51:54from striking Earth overlapping with defense systems. Very serious guy. And by the way, Carl, the last guy I mentioned who was murdered on his porch, he was working on finding liquids on on exoplanets far away, >> which if you remember >> Dr. Kipping who was in here for episode 358. One of my favorite podcasts I've done ever. Just awesome guy. We'll definitely have him back. He is the head of the I forget the official name for it, but the basically the astronomy lab at Columbia University here in New York.
52:26He works on a lot of exoplanet stuff.
52:30And there was another scientist in here who was also I forget which one, but was finding liquids on for farm pl. So serious stuff. Serious work. Michael David Hicks is no different. And it just went very under the radar. Again, I marked that one yellow because it would appear his death was alcohol-related. Now, is he drinking cuz he knows too much?
52:53That's what >> is he drinking because >> he got the call again.
52:56>> He's just like, man, I I got to numb this. I can't do it no more.
53:02>> And you know, he gets Lean Nissan on the phone.
53:06>> Michael, we know what you saw. Men of your skills are no match for men of mine.
53:13Maybe pure pure respect.
53:16>> Okay, >> pure respect.
53:18>> But that's number two from JPL. Then there was Frank Maywall. This is the one. His work focused on building instruments capable of detecting chemical signatures including water, organic molecules, and other indicators scientists used to assess whether environments beyond Earth could support life. Meaning talking about some of those exoplanets and stuff like that. He died in July 2024 at age 61.
53:40There was even less public acknowledgement of his passing.
53:44He was a longtime co-orker with Michael David Hicks who we just mentioned at JPL and no cause of death is made public.
53:53Another one you mark that yellow like this is that's interesting. Working on serious stuff. He's 61. He's not 31.
54:02>> Yeah. you know, people at 61, they get cancer and it it could be nothing.
54:11You know, same time period, worked with another guy who they didn't say much about his passing. And there's another guy working on projects very related to that who's gone down on his porch without a motive. Interesting. Now, we get to where it starts to get redot though, and these are the last two that I saved. First, you got Monica Raza.
54:33Monica Raza, what where do I have her on here? She was JPL's director of the materials processing group. And she disappear she disappeared just 4 days before Casillas did. Or was it it was it Anthony? Which one? Cuz you have both on there. She disappeared four days before one of the other Los Alamos people did. And what's weird about her is she went hiking with her friends. You know, moral of the story, don't go for long walks alone without your phone.
55:04Don't go hiking. Just don't do it. Stay home.
55:06>> Just stay home.
55:07>> Stay home.
55:08>> Just stay home.
55:09>> Watch TV, you know, waste away your life at home.
55:13Don't go hiking. But she's 30t behind her friend. She was a very experienced hiker. Friend was a very experienced hiker. friend sees her, smiles, they both wave, and then the next time the friend looks back, she's not there.
55:26She's never been found. Gone. She was working on projects in the early 2000s that were overseen from an intelligence perspective by Major General William Neil McCazzlin, who through Air Force research initiatives, he led the Air Force Research Laboratory and oversaw groups funding materials research relevant to JPL projects, particularly as I said in the early 2000s which gives him some direct overlap if not face to face but through similar materials with a very high level scientist like Monica disappear. We don't know where she is now. Mccasin and that's where we're going to close today. Mccasin, as I
56:18said, disappears on February 27th.
56:21>> Mhm.
56:23>> 11 days.
56:25>> 11 days what?
56:26>> 11 days after um Carl Gorillaar after Carl's killed. So Mccasand is 68 at this point. He's retired. This is a guy we're we're really going to get into his story next week. But you want to talk about a Forest Gump of not just the US Air Force, not just the scientific community, but of things related to the things that are unseen of this earth potentially and things that certainly involve rockets and nukes and stuff like that. This is your guy.
57:01>> Yeah.
57:01>> And he looks the part. He looks >> He looks like that Delta Force dude from all the memes.
57:09>> Like same vibes. This was a brilliant man. So his we will go through this in detail next week, but his wife reports him missing. His wife is also a brilliant woman scientist who's worked on a lot of interesting projects. And he I believe he owned a lot of guns.
57:26When she reported him missing, she couldn't tell if any were gone from the safe, but he left without his phone, without >> Same as Garcia.
57:36>> Same as Garcia. Leaves with it was one handgun.
57:39>> Yep. nothing determine that >> and he has not been found and again he's the tip of the spear here and it's what broke the whole story open because of anyone who's got some serious claims to like what the [ __ ] this is the dude. So like I said we will go into that next week but you got to wonder and this is something we'll talk about next week as we get more information.
58:08Could there be a foreign operation related to this? Certainly if this is something you know people like the highest level scientists possess the most important intelligence information on earth because it can really no pun intended it can include things from beyond earth and it needs to be taken very very seriously when some of them are ending up disappeared or dead. Maybe some of, you know, maybe some of the disappeareds go into a witness protection program. Maybe it's the US doing it. That's possible. But next week, we're going to go through the whole mccasin thing because there's more information that still needs to come on
58:54that. But we'll go through that. And DeF and I kind of downstream tied that to a lot of these people as well.
59:03>> Mhm. and we'll go through the foreign op idea because like you know >> could be >> it could be pure spec >> pure spec just a matter of who >> that's the real question >> when where why >> exactly but as I said we weren't able to get to Swallwell on Bilderberg this week I'm sorry to blue balls you on Bilderberg in particularly we'll talk about that next week we'll also like we're going to do an extra on Patreon right now where we do discuss these things. So if you want it early, you can join Patreon. Don't feel compelled to do that though. We will get to the Bilderberg thing. You can wait a week. I
59:42never want people to feel like you have to join Patreon. That's why we do early releases there and that's kind of what it is. I want people to be able to have content. I appreciate everyone who supports me on the public platforms.
59:52That is all I need. To all the people who do support me on Patreon that's way above and beyond and I really really appreciate that as well as YouTube members only. But don't feel like you got to join that. The link is down below if you would like to. But we will get to that next week as well. I'm just, you know, I don't like to do these longer than like 90ish, 95 minutes. It gets a little long in the teeth for you to hear my dumbass talking. So, we'll cut it there. But Dave, great work on that [ __ ] whatever that was, a brief.
60:19>> Thanks, dude.
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