0:01Which, by the way, yeah, little inside baseball here. Somebody from Flock reached out to a good friend of mine this week.
0:11>> You hear about this, Joey Def?
0:13>> Uh, no, I didn't. You didn't fill me in on that.
0:16>> Yeah. So, so they they were upset. They were not happy with my coverage of their beloved camera company. I'm going to keep their name out of it. Obviously, I I wouldn't do that to this person. But, you know, they were they were talking a big game. Oh, man. he's got this all wrong. We're just here trying to protect and serve and you know a lot of [ __ ] And obviously I have been very harsh and I will continue to be harsh because unlike the people at flock, I have kind of studied why the revolutionary war was fought and then what we did in the aftermath in creating the constitution which wasn't a perfect
0:48document but it was a really [ __ ] good one that went through specific situations just like this. They thought about this 250 years ago, you know, to talk about the whole like not letting a tyrannical government invade your life and do all these things that are I would say pretty not good, right, Joey Deep?
1:04That's fair to say.
1:05>> No, I can I I I can get behind that. Not good. Not good. Common bad.
1:09>> And that's the thing. I have two modes on this show now. And this is really important to say. I' I I've kind of explained this before, but let me be really clear because this is a great example. when I'm doing my guest episodes of which we're doing two, three hour episodes every week with the way we're booking people. We're going to be moving that up to three at some point here if I can keep up with the capacity.
1:29But when I do those, it is it requires less of me expressing opinion on things. When I do these episodes on the weekends, we happen to cover some really big stories where like the public sentiment, we're speaking a lot of what you guys are thinking. So, for example, Jeffrey Epstein raping kids. Pretty safe to say all you guys out there don't support that. So, obviously, we don't support that either because we have common sense and we cover it and everyone can agree with that >> point. When we're covering things like, you know, another potential endless war in the Middle East. Also, pretty safe to
2:06say we got pretty good polling on our sides that many of you out there disagree with that whole thing and having more of our guys go over there to die, probably for another country. So, we talk about that, too. I've expressed these lines in the sand before in episodes, but I'm just repeating for clarification right here. When we're talking about people putting cameras all over the [ __ ] country so they can watch where we take a [ __ ] and measure the microbiomes in there so they can [ __ ] us later on a DNA test for nothing when we did nothing wrong just cuz they feel like being a [ __ ] overlord LIKE
2:33IT'S 1984. YEAH, I'M GOING TO TALK OUT AGAINST THAT. And I'm not just going to keep it to one company flock. They're the soup dour of the moment. But there are other companies here underneath the surface there that are looking to get in and take that marketplace. And when they start to do that, as we've already seen some potential ripples in that >> Oh, yeah.
2:50>> Yeah. We're going to be calling that out, too. So, yeah, I I I look at things and when I'm expressing these opinions, it's on stuff that the ball is already really there. That said, this is where it's going to come out because it is literally Joey Def and I just reacting to the news just like all you guys do.
3:07So, I want to put that out there. And yes, as I said, I've been very harsh on Flock with good reason. I have very good evidence to be harsh on them. Their CEO gives me the heebie-jebies, as they say.
3:19This is a guy who to say he can't read a room would be putting it lightly. I mean, he is >> what's his name? Craig. Greg.
3:28>> You know what? You know, it's I don't even Yeah, I don't give space in the brain.
3:32>> Now, I did invite I after I like shredded him for like eight minutes, I did invite Greg. I think it's Greg on the show a few weeks ago. No, I'm not.
3:42>> Is it Is it Craig or Greg?
3:43>> Whatever. Pam or Pan. It's the same [ __ ] Two M's, two N. Who cares? But I did invite him on the show, which was like kind of a joke at the end of the bit, but it was also serious in the sense that of course he could come on the show. But this person who reached out to a very close friend of mine was suggesting that he come on the show. And what I will say is that if he did want to do that, one of, if not the most common DMs I get on Instagram are many of you asking me what my favorite books are. Well, today's your lucky day because if you use the link in my description below to join my newsletter, I'm going to give
4:21you my top 10 book recommendations right now. Also, if you'd like to join my clipping community for a chance to make money producing content from the show, you can do so via the Discord link in my description below. And finally, you can join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes via the Patreon link in my description below. As always, please take one second to hit that subscribe button if you haven't already. I really appreciate that. Also, the like button is a big help. And you can join my newsletter via the link in the description. Can we actually get his name just to be sure? I I actually in in
4:48this instance should be very clear like rather than completely joking on it cuz this is actually the serious part of it.
4:55>> What is it?
4:57>> It's Garrett Langley.
4:59>> Garrett Langley. All right. So, it wasn't Craig or Greg. Garrett Langley.
5:03If, as this person who reached out to my friend suggested that he should come on the show, if he wanted to do that, I would do it. And here's how it would go.
5:12So, that we'll just set the baseline right now. And to be clear, I've never talked to this guy before. I I have no idea what the thought is there. That's >> set the baseline, though.
5:20>> Yeah. That's just the idea that this friend of a friend reached out to to, you know, try to say that I was talking [ __ ] But if I did have Garrett on the show, obviously it wouldn't be in this context of me just hosting the show and him sitting here. It would be in the guest context. Couple things would happen. Number one, I would absolutely have Tommy G here with me. I think that would be amazing because Tommy G is the one who was man on the ground who really ripped this story open. He's a very close friend of mine.
5:46>> Good idea.
5:47>> An amazing guy, too. Someone who is as genuine as they come. someone who I have witnessed over the years now sit down or talk with people who he has serious reservations about and be nothing but respectful, fair, and kind even when he presses them. We've talked about the Adam Smith interview he did right in this seat on Zoom when he was at our at at the apartment last time, you know. So that I would definitely have Tommy G here. I I think that would just be an amazing kind of conversation. And to be clear, I'm I'm not going to let Garrett come in here and just like spew the Bible a [ __ ] flock
6:26>> and get no push back or anything like that. We're going to be pushing back the whole [ __ ] time because obviously it's very clear where my stances on this stuff. but he'd get a fair hearing and I'd want to know more about what his backstory is and and kind of how he got to this point, how he sees the world, and see if there were a way, not necessarily on the cameras themselves, but a way that we could find some common ground about things that need to be considered moving forward, which to be clear, Joey Def, in my book, yeah, that that might be like, yo, you need to find a different idea here. This company
7:00ain't, you know, I'm just being honest about that. I really don't like this.
7:04And if if we have time to get to that today, there's just much more stuff this week about the technology and the implications of how far this is stretching things they've talked about internally that have been leaked that are straight up dystopian. And like I'm never ever going to sit here and be like, "Yeah, you know, you I might be missing some there. You could have a point."
7:25>> No point.
7:26>> You don't have a point in that case. You know, it's like other people have said this on my show and then most recently Baron Baron Coleman said this.
7:34>> He's like, "We live in a country where the idea is, it's supposed to be it is worse to have one innocent man in prison than it is 100 guilty men on the street." Does that make the world perfect? Does it make it nice? No. But that's how you ensure you don't get tyrannical government. You put the government to the test. And I completely agree on that. Brian McMonicle back in episode 115 famously said I believe like the same thing and you know Brian McMonicle is one of the most legendary defense attorneys to ever live represent a lot of different people but you know I just think that's so important so if
8:08that conversation would happen and I have no reason to think it would but if it did as this person from Flock who reached out to suggest we would do it in good faith we would do it fairly and we wouldn't just be [ __ ] yelling at him the whole time. I'd want to hear what he has to say and he would absolutely get push back. So that I I want to make that clear. And guys like that, you know, in my experience, they don't like going on platforms where it's not all preconceived and they don't know exactly what they're getting, especially if they're not exactly an adept >> public communicator or room reader as
8:40Garrett appears to not be. But if we get to some more of that today, we if we don't get to some more of that today, we will get to that next week. There's just a bunch of new information on that. But I do want to start off with actually I almost forgot this little something went under the radar before I get to Dario Amday's wife and her apparent wooing of one Jeffrey Epstein back in 2011. Remember when we talked about the Leon Black testimony defe?
9:10>> Yes.
9:10>> In June.
9:11>> Yes.
9:12>> So he came in I believe he testified on a Friday.
9:15>> Yeah.
9:15>> The first time. We we can double check that. I haven't thought about that, but I'm pretty sure it was a Friday. Leon Black, the founder of Apollo Global, which is just balls deep. and Jeffrey Epstein Pauls, [snorts] you know, he goes and testifies before Congress in a closed-d dooror hearing in front of that committee headed by Kucky's James Comr and refuses to answer some questions, refuses to provide NDAs as it pertained to him and women who were from his orbit and Epstein's that he had signed said NDAs with. And so he was told by the committee at the time, and we reported on this, Joey Def and I covered this. I
9:57remember this, that he needed to return on Thursday, July 16th for now a videotape testimony. So now, which should have been the first time around, Joey Def.
10:09>> Oh, yeah. Well, you know, they get these things screwed up sometimes. They do.
10:13Give them some grace.
10:14>> But you're a big tapes guy. You like tapes?
10:16>> I love the tapes.
10:17>> Yes. Love the tapes.
10:18>> You like video evidence. VHS. The whole thing.
10:21>> The whole thing. You're even like you even you still put those like record I don't even know what they're called. The cassette tapes in your car.
10:28>> Oh yeah.
10:28>> Yeah. Those aren't even video.
10:30>> Yeah.
10:30>> Yeah.
10:31>> I got I got dice hanging from the >> He's got dice hanging. Yep. They smell like they're from 1974 still.
10:37>> They've been around a while.
10:38>> Listen, he's an archaic individual, a man of culture. I mean that in the best possible way. But Leon Black is called back at the time to testify July 16th on camera.
10:50>> Yep.
10:52>> Went really under the radar.
10:55>> Did that that just mean that got that got pushed down the road. Joey D, didn't you know about that?
11:00>> The the hearing did. Didn't happen.
11:02>> Yeah. Didn't Didn't happen. They postponed it.
11:06>> Now the story. I think I have the link of Oh, DE's already got it up.
11:09>> Well, the the postponing. Yes.
11:10>> The postponing link. Can you read the timestamp on when this was posted, Joey Def?
11:15>> Yeah, this was posted. If I had to read with my eyes, that would say July 14th, 2026.
11:25>> A couple days before he's set to testify, >> go in there. A quiet story from Politico comes out saying that it has been scheduled for dis for September 3rd in front of the House oversight lawmakers. So, let me go up right there.
11:43Def.
11:45Billionaire investor Leon Black is scheduled for a September 3rd deposition in front of House oversight lawmakers who want to press him under oath about his ties to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. A spokesperson for House Oversight Republicans said Tuesday attorneys for the co-founder of Apollo Global Management had confirmed his appearance date. Black's legal team will also transfer at the end of next week. So, this means this would have already happened by now. Non-disclosure agreements the investor allegedly had with women tied to Epstein, the spokesperson said, which he had
12:13previously told the committee he will not discuss. So, this is interesting, Steve. He gives a little tit for tat there, >> right?
12:20>> He's giving some up that he said he wasn't going to give up, >> but he gets it postponed for when he's going to do it. So, if we go back down, let me just make sure I didn't miss this. So, yeah, that's just Comr commenting on it. Black at a June interview said he had no knowledge of Epstein's crimes over the time frame he paid Epstein tens of millions of dollars, though he did acknowledge he was aware of his 2008 sex crime conviction. Just wasn't a big deal to him. You know, he's like, "Well, you know, she was 17. She didn't show IB.
12:50What are you going to do?" That's [snorts] that's just what you know that's I'm just saying what he said.
12:55>> No, >> I I don't agree with it.
12:58>> He's like, I'm gonna do biz.
13:00>> He's like, I gotta do biz. I got He lives like right down the street from me. I got to pass his house >> sometimes. I The New York Times is sitting out front and I got to I got to drop it off at his door to say what's up. So, I went in Rome, right?
13:13>> Yep. He says, "Your honor, I'm doing business with him, not her."
13:17>> That's right. You know, went on East 71st Street. But >> anyway, so >> shame.
13:23>> Couple things. Could could you just Google this? What day of the week is September 3rd? Joey D, >> I already know what day of the week it is because it's the day before my damn birth.
13:32>> Uhhuh. But just just just for the people out there, we want to get a live fact check just just to be clear. So this is a Thursday and you say, "Okay, well, at least it's not a Friday." I want to note this is a Thursday before Labor Day weekend >> at the end. Now, Labor Day weekend falls a little late this year, so it's like an extension of August, the deadest news month of the year, the biggest vacation time of the year. When you look at this business back here, this is when I always look and like over the last couple years, I'll see that like brand deals are less because they're not that they want to do like the back to school
14:08stuff hard right after Labor Day or they want to do it before and earlier August.
14:12So, it's like it's a very dead time. And now you get the long weekend. Everyone's on the road. You know, you're out there seeing your family, you're down the shore, you're at, if you're in the Midwest, you're at the lakes or in the Ozarks or whatever the [ __ ] all those beautiful places are out there that I still got to go to. Lot a lot of great stuff in the Midwest, Joey Def.
14:32>> Yeah. No, definitely great spot.
14:33>> Yeah. Yeah. I I got to I got I liked Milwaukee when I went out there with Tommy.
14:37>> We can go to the Ozarks. I got the plug there.
14:39>> I think we got to do that. Maybe in the comments you can let me know where you guys go on Labor Day weekend. But you know, I need some ideas. But you know, he's going to go testify and then by the next week, little >> that's it.
14:50>> Little news cycle gone.
14:51>> That's it. Back to school.
14:52>> New cycle.
14:53>> Amitara. Get your Amitar. Back to school.
14:55>> That's right. But you know, it's funny because this was the other one. We talk about Fridays. We talk about dead months.
15:02>> July. July's, you know, it's midsummer.
15:05People are traveling.
15:06>> Fourth of July.
15:07>> It's not like August. It's not like August. I'll give July that. July's got more relevance than August for sure in the news cycle. There's no doubt about that. Not for July 4th, but the rest of the month like things are operating a little closer to regular biz.
15:20>> Biz is going.
15:22>> But in Forbes, the day after Leon Black was supposed to testify Friday, July 17th, they posted an article at 3:28 p.m. Very late. And in fact, you know why we missed this, Joey Def?
15:36>> Why?
15:36>> Because we were going on air. M >> this is right when we're capable of missing something because >> this is smack dab on Fridays when we usually film our weekend little you know pure speculation.
15:52>> But it says Leon Black says Epstein introduced him to Elon Musk. Again this is from Allison Derky at Forbes.
16:00Billionaire Leon Black claim he socialized with Jeffrey Epstein because of his many high-powered connections.
16:05Sex convictions aside, including Elon Musk, but never considered him a friend, according to a transcript released from his interview with the House Oversight Committee. This would have been the one back in June. All right, so go down. I'm just going to read the bullet points right here. I want you to hear how loaded these are. These are the key facts listed at the top of the article.
16:26So, D, we already covered that one.
16:28Black denied any wrongdoing or knowledge of Epstein's alleged abuse. Remember, he knows he was convicted, but he he has no knowledge of his alleged abuse, including multiple allegations women have made against Black in connection with Epstein, telling lawmakers, quote, "I was not involved with and had no knowledge of any of Epstein's heinous conduct." That was definitely not a statement written and practiced in front of his lawyer. Written by and practiced in front of his lawyer. Right. He That's definitely how a normal human being talks, John.
16:56>> Yeah. No, for sure. For sure.
16:57>> Okay. The billionaire testified he met Epstein through a mutual friend in the mid 1990s. And we've sp we talked about that in in the previous episode where we covered this deeply >> where he did that sitdown interview that was later transcribed into a big article back in 2022 or whatever.
17:16There there's some evidence that he met Epstein before that. It's up in the air though.
17:21>> So that's why he claims now on the record. So he has this on the record.
17:24They met him in the mid 1990s and he would regularly see the finance year because quote he enjoyed taking advantage of all the network of interesting people he knew unquote recounting how Epstein would regularly invite him to meet the other high-profile people in his orbit. Musk was among those that Epstein introduced black to he told lawmakers without elaborating also said now how do you not get him to elaborate on that? [snorts] I the very next words out of my mouth would be sir, can you please elaborate on that? Like like this is not hard. So they're going to get another shot on this September 3rd before people forget
18:00about it by Tuesday. But just keep that one in mind. So he said he told lawmakers without elaborating also saying Epstein had introduced him to Bill Gates, more on him later, and Deepak Chopra. Black refused to characterize Epste as his friend. you know, a guy who manages all of his estate planning, is paid, you know, tens of millions of dollars by Leon Black, whose house he goes and frequents, has breakfast at all the time, hangs out in his groups because he knows so MANY IMPORTANT PEOPLE. DEFINITELY NOT his friend, right? Like Joey De, that doesn't sound like a friend at all. That sounds like someone
18:33>> It's an acquaintance. It's an acquaintance.
18:35>> It's an acquaintance.
18:36>> An acquaintance.
18:37>> Oh, I like how you're thinking. That's why you're a great lawyer. So, it's a formality. You're changing the context of the term to something slightly.
18:45>> We do business together. We meet people for lunch, but he's an acquaintance. You know, we don't talk about the ball games or the the wife at home, you know. I don't know this guy.
18:55>> You don't know him at all?
18:56>> I don't know him.
18:57>> Yeah.
18:58>> I know. I know. I know about the guy he [ __ ] over to get that biz done for us.
19:01>> That's right.
19:02>> Oh, yeah.
19:02>> That's right. He knows all about >> We drank to that.
19:05>> Oh, they drank to it.
19:07>> Yep.
19:07>> Cheers to it. Biz or I'm sorry, personal stuff. No, I don't know the guy. He's not a friend of mine. He's an acquaintance.
19:13>> Okay. Well, Leon Black is due to now testify on video about his acquaintance.
19:20>> Jeffrey Epstein, according to his attorney, Joey Def, is being referred to as his acquaintance.
19:25>> A [ __ ] boy.
19:27>> [ __ ] I did it again.
19:28>> Oh my god. Anyway, so we will be waiting for that with baited breath. And I predict Joey DeFe that we will do our best here to not let that get lost in the news cycle. That's what I'll continue to do.
19:40>> We'll hold on to that one for sure.
19:42>> We'll hold on to that one. We'll make a note of that. So on our little corner of the internet, we'll do what we can, but it's going to require other people out there, many other people to also be covering this as well. So stay tuned on that. But the soup dour, I think I already used that once today. My bad. I got to come up with a better term. It's been a long week. But the story of the day is the Wall Street Journal bombshell about Dario Amade's wife. So before I get into this [ __ ] lady, oh my god, there's so much material here. There is so much going on with her timeline, when you look on jmail.world, world,
20:20which many of you out there already know this, but that is where there is a basic Gmail setup that is taking all of the government release files and making it as if you are logging into Jeffrey Epstein's Gmail. I will say on the chain on the email chain, the main chain between Dario Amade's wife, Cammy Clark, and Jeffrey Epstein back in March 2011, some of the times are a little weird and like don't make sense. Meaning there's an email that looks like it got responded to that went out at 6:04 p.m., but then the response says 5:23 p.m. on the same day, which would mean that one came before. But the Wall Street
21:00Journal, I'm going to take their reporting on it. when they had it on their article, [clears throat] as far as I could tell, the timing lined up with like they had it in the specific order and we're reporting it as being in that order, which would make sense. But [snorts] in today's episode of You Can't Possibly Make This [ __ ] Up, but Oh, that's right. Yes, you can >> cuz it's real. Cammy Clark, let me just walk you through her life a little bit.
21:30She's born in Reno, Nevada. Never been.
21:32Heard it's a nice place, right?
21:36Joey De doesn't seem to uh s on that one.
21:38>> No, no, it's a great spot.
21:39>> Great spot. Okay.
21:40>> Nevada rocks, dude.
21:41>> So, anyway, born in Reno, Nevada.
21:44>> When she's 20, marries a 64 year old casino guy.
21:49>> As you do in the state of Nevada.
21:51>> As you do in the state of Nevada. Maybe it was for love. Maybe it wasn't. They were divorced three years later. Do with that what you will.
21:58>> Oh.
22:00ends up doing something. I don't even remember what it was. It's in this Wall Street Journal article. I'm just going off the noggin right here. To where she has to declare bankruptcy in 2009, which, you know, that's not great, but it's very >> Nevada.
22:14>> 08 though. Hey, >> it's after '08. It's also a very Nevada thing to do. You know, >> you you you get a casino, you go a little bust, you get a little bankruptcy, you come back.
22:25>> Yep. And Cammy, I guess, always was relying on her youthful looks and ability to get men to like her that could then help her rise into the world.
22:38Because when I look at her backstory here, the way that she talks with people, the way that she sells the things she's working on, and the circles that she gets herself into, this is one of the most prototypical, if you're looking at it 30,000 ft in the air, one of the most prototypical charlatans you'll ever see. Someone who just wants to get involved and be around money and power and then feel like they can inject their voice into those things to feel important and hopefully share in said money and power. So, let's go to the article now. Let's do it, De. So, Dar Amade quietly married this woman in I want to say like
23:152021. He had been dating her since 2014.
23:20Didn't seem to talk about the wedding.
23:22In fact, she's been pretty much scrubbed from the internet ahead of this story coming out. You when you would Google Dario Day Wife, it would show actually a picture of him and his sister who works at the company with him. And on Wikipedia, I don't know if it's changed now today with this with this story, but his personal life would say he married in 2022, but not or 2021, whatever it was, but not list her name or any details about her yet. They had been dating for so long and whenever even though she doesn't have an official job at Anthropic, whenever he went around the world and was going to places or
23:56whenever he went to give a big speech and stuff like that, she was always at his side. She was always viewed as a key adviser to him and someone who was like whispering in his ear and telling him what to do. And yeah, this story is going to end up at the World Economic Forum years ago. It's going to end up with [ __ ] Eric Schmidt, the old CEO of Google. It's going to end up with Jeffrey Epstein. It's I mean, it's it's juicy. It's it's loaded. Like, who wrote this for Wall Street Journal?
24:21>> This is um >> Keith Hley and Luke Gerard CR.
24:25>> Yeah.
24:27>> Unfortunate name.
24:28>> That's a Hegian CR piece. Okay. All right. Pause. But I'm sure when they came across this one, their eyes got really big cuz they're like, "There's no way this is real." But again, yes, it's real. So, let's go down.
24:43>> Let's do it.
24:44>> Let's start Let's start reading. So, I already said that. So, like when when he went to go visit with Modi, the prime minister of India, he was allowed to bring one guest and one person to sit in the meetings with him at this like summit.
24:58and he brought his wife. So she acts as a sounding board and strategic adviser for Amade according to people close to the company. She has also brought a anthropic a key early investor former Google CEO Eric Schmidt whom she had dated.
25:11>> Damn son. So she brought her ex to be the investor daddy of her.
25:22>> She's cold bloodooded.
25:24>> Cold blooded. Anyway, so the pair married in 2022. I mentioned it was all like quiet and they didn't have anything. And Anthropics AI chatbot Claude responds to queries by saying, "Darl, Dario Amade's marital status doesn't seem to be clearly confirmed."
25:38They're like, "Get off my lawn, yo.
25:41>> Damn, >> don't sit here." All right. So, as anthropic hurdles towards an IPO that could top two trill, Clark is one of the most influential voices shaping the decision of a CEO. There's never been a situation where the CEO of like a major company has a wife who has no real actual knowledge of the product at hand and no official job of the company, but who is the key adviser. There's never been a situation where that goes wrong.
26:06>> No. Yeah. For sure.
26:07>> Not once. Especially when like when she's >> Especially when the ex-hubby put the money down, too.
26:11>> That's right. When she's cucking you with her ex in the company.
26:15>> Mhm.
26:15>> Can't possibly go wrong.
26:17>> So, she made connections with powerful people, including Schmidt, who she brought into Emily's orbit. The billionaire left roles at Google and parent alphabet in 2020 and transition into investing into tech startups yada yada yada go down. This is all the metho stuff. So Clark born in Reno, Nevada in 1979, was an entrepreneur and often interacted with the rich and powerful as well as upandcomers in Silicon Valley.
26:37The most important would turn out to be Amade whom she started dating in 2014.
26:41Just previously beginning in 2011 and lasting for three years, she was in a relationship with Schmidt who was an executive chairman of Google and then I guess she probably aged out. I don't know. Anyway, pure respect.
26:52>> When they when they got together, Amade was still an academic working as a post-dctoral scholar at Stanford University School of Medicine, having earned a PhD in computational neuroscience from Princeton. He would go on stance at BYU and Google before joining Open AI in 2016. So, we'll go down all past this. She introduced people at Open AI to other people as well. Go up a little bit there, De. So when he left Open AI, Dario back in 2020, >> he and his sister and five other employees then founded Anthropic.
27:24Anthropic in May 21 announced that it had raised 124 million for its series A.
27:29So five months later they get 124 million. They >> not bad.
27:34>> How do we get that?
27:35>> Yeah. Well, hey man, five months. Five months. What are we doing wrong? Anyway, led by Skype engineer John Talin and including Facebook co-founder Dustin Moscowitz, Jane Street founder James Mccclave and the Center for Emerging Risk Research as well as Schmidt. That was a part of that 124. Clark, who wasn't yet married, wanted equity in the new company. She like, "Honey, >> I need my peace. That's a part of the prenup.
28:00>> I need that."
28:01>> According to documents reviewed by the journal, in February 21, Clark pitched Schmidt on creating a new venture fund called the Mother of Agi Fund. Its goal was to be an elegant solution to formalize Cammy's involvement in Anthropic and manage Eric's investment and invest in the AGI ecosystem.
28:18According to a 40page proposal, others at Anthropic, including Dario's own sister, uh-oh, problem, drama in the household, didn't support the plan, according to people familiar with the matter, and it didn't move forward. By the end of the year, associates said they recall seeing what looked like an engagement ring on Clark's hand. And not long afterwards, the couple went in Italy. That's what she did. That's that's a classic move. Joey Beef. She tried to muscle into the company, get him on his back feet, have his whole his sister, all his co-founders against it and [ __ ] and be like, "Oh my god, you
28:51know, he's a nerd. He he he outk his coverage here." He's like, "Oh my god, no, you can't have equity." And she goes, "You know what, honey? You're right. I shouldn't have equity, but but what we should do is we should get married. You should marry me."
29:03>> She's like, "If you don't marry me, you know what's going to happen?"
29:05>> Yeah. Yeah. you you know what's happening. It's either equity or marriage. You can't not have [laughter] >> Oh, no. No. That's not the >> She's like, "If you don't marry me."
29:14>> Uhhuh.
29:15>> There ain't going to There's not going to be a wedding to celebrate. There's going to be a a celebration of life.
29:21[laughter] Pure respect. Pure respect. Maybe we'll edit that out. I don't know. Pure respect. All right. So, Anthropic drew the eye of the Trump administration earlier this year after Amade refused to drop restrictions on how Claude could be used by the Pentagon. the government label anthropica supply chain risk and Pentagon partners were effectively banned from using its technology [snorts] in their work with the defense. Let's go down. Joey Def with their defense department a designation the company has challenged in court. And actually, as a side note, I don't know if there's like a lot more there and it's all a facade
29:53or whatever, but I did like that. I I appreciated not giving all the way into just [ __ ] handing over these tools that we don't even know how to control yet at the behest of any government regardless of who's in charge of it. But maybe there's more there. The administration added restrictions on additional AI models in June that were later dropped. The standoff brought unwelcome attention to the company head of its IPO. This is where it gets interesting. Clark has recently told people involved in politics that the company sees its mission as protecting America and isn't as quote woke as its detractors might think it is. according
30:25to people familiar with the matter. And in a case of all these people know each other and all these people just find a way to get in the circle and [ __ ] at the Sun Valley Conference in July where she spent much of the week by her husband's side. She had lunch with Ivanka Trump, a friend, and chatted with Jared Kushner whom Amade had approached earlier in the year to invest. People familiar with the matter said, "How many times do we got to give an optics class here?" Ah yeah.
30:53I don't even know if we should say it anymore.
30:55>> I don't even get boring if we keep saying it.
30:57>> It's It's just from a PR perspective.
31:00>> Yeah.
31:00>> They just never figure out.
31:01>> Never never stops.
31:03>> So Clark's early years show a young woman. We're getting to Jeffrey Epstein here. This is We're just We're just laying the the groundwork and then we're going to have fun with these emails.
31:11Clark's early years show a young woman hustling to succeed at a range of businesses, many she founded, including a porn company targeting women.
31:19>> Nice. It's all about feminine freedom, I guess. In 1999, that's when she married that 64 year old and she was a dropout from architecture school, which is very closely related to technology, innovation, VC, and AI. Joey Def, I can see exactly, you know, the correlation with her >> entrepreneur.
31:37>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Property records show she moved to San Francisco in 1999, spent a decade there before spending time in New York and Los Angeles. In that period, she worked for a mortgage brokerage company. While raising money for a later venture, she would describe herself as the co-founder of LLG Financial Corp. The company's 20 2005 incorporation documents don't include her name, so she on record she'd be capping. She >> she got a history of people screwing her out of equity.
32:04>> That's right. Well, or Joey D. She has a history of claiming she should have equity or lying about her [ __ ] merits on a resume. I think that's >> sounds more where I'm leaning. uh a lender foreclosed on her San Francisco apartment in 2007 and two years later she filed for bankruptcy. According to property records and court filing around 2010 she had a comeback though.
32:26>> She and Michelle Copalo Capo Capose started Edis which is described as quote a revolutionary porn company unquote. and Joey de if I were starting a revolutionary pouring company and to be clear I'm not but if I were you know who I would name it after >> who my grandmother named for Edis I would not do that to be clear named for Edis Mson Clark's maternal grandmother and aim to emphasize sex positivity in a maleoriented porn industry and carried the tagline oh this this is the best [laughter] intellectually promiscuous so Imagine you're just sitting there.
33:10>> Yeah.
33:10>> You're yanking and banking.
33:12>> Okay.
33:12>> I think that's what the kids on the internet are saying these days, right?
33:14>> Gooning.
33:15>> You're gooning.
33:16>> I'm gooning.
33:17>> I'm gooning.
33:19>> And you just realize that while you may be, you know, promiscuous doing this on your own time, you're at least firing up your intellectual neurons. So at the same time as you getting dopamine pleasure jerking off to some [ __ ] poor girl who probably got sex traffic to do that porn even though they are >> well they are they they are revolutionary they're revolutionary they're claiming >> they probably vet and do all >> pure respect maybe they didn't do that but either way while you're doing that you are at least getting more intellectual capacity or getting smarter. It's almost like you're going
33:51to college while you're beating off.
33:53>> Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
33:56>> It's pretty cool. Right.
33:56>> Yeah.
33:57>> Well that's how they sold it.
33:58>> All right. included. It included a blog that gathered content with titles such as quote lady porn day >> and Orgasm Inc.
34:06>> It also highlighted the work of intellectuals. You need that in an intellectually stimulating porn environment such as pundit Clay Shery and marketing expert and author Seth Goden. Ah man, they hit Goden in here.
34:18>> Seth does some great work. Poor guy this way.
34:21>> He's just a little horny as all.
34:23>> Well, I mean he may not have known that they'd mentioned him.
34:26>> He's a hero and he doesn't put that on him.
34:29>> At one point after alerting readers that its PayPal account had been frozen lot of lot of freezing of assets, bankruptcies, failed companies. You know what I say? Keep trying until you succeed.
34:43>> Yeah, >> that's the game.
34:44>> Keep trying. Clark's company announced on its website that it was crowdsourcing funding. We are raising 350K to produce edetis.com and our first four films.
34:54American Girl in Paris.
34:56>> Damn. a fourparter right out the gate.
34:59That's a little ambitious. I can tell you as a filmmaker myself to come out with a four-part series right out the gates, that's a lot. It's also where they filmed Taken.
35:09>> Yeah, but Paris.
35:11>> Well, listen, the French that could that could do pretty well in the French market.
35:15>> But a four-part series, a little ambitious, guys.
35:19>> Yeah.
35:20>> Or gals. In one of her pitches, part of which was reviewed by the journal, Clark said her resume included real estate and entrepreneurial investments, as well as distribution and brand strategy consultant, interior design, architectural background. Let's just throw a lot of buzzwords at the page of anything I've ever looked at.
35:36>> She's a polymath.
35:37>> That's right. She's a polymath.
35:38>> She's like actually a [snorts] modern day Ben Franklin.
35:40>> Yeah, that's how all these uh >> He was a horn dog, too.
35:42>> All these Well, I mean, listen, what what did I [snorts] say?
35:47All great men are perverts, but not all perverts are great men.
35:55I'm gonna leave that one right there.
35:56>> There's There's a tr there's some sort of truth to that. I don't know.
35:59>> God, you always hit us with the hard truth, Joey Def. It's a hard truth. I don't know if that's true.
36:05>> No, I don't know if that's true. It it's it sounds like >> it sounded like Yeah, I guess that's right.
36:11>> It sounded like a bar for sure.
36:13>> But this is where they cross paths.
36:15>> Yeah. with our longtime nemesis Jeffrey Epstein.
36:20And this is where I was reviewing these emails, which I also I know we'll put them up in a second, but I have them in front of me.
36:26>> So, Clark and Capac attended the 2011 digital life design conference in Munich, a tech, media science, and art salon that executives often stop by on their way to the World Economic Forum in Davos. So, it's like, you know, it's like a flyover, right? a little pit stop, you know, you get a longer layover, maybe it's at Heathrow, you go to the pub, you tie one back for like 10 hours, you meet some random [ __ ] people that you're not going to remember. You get on the next flight, and when you land, you're like, "How the [ __ ] did I get here?" That's all they're doing.
36:59>> Yeah, >> it's very innocent, Joey De. I don't know why you're looking at him so suspicious.
37:03>> I'm just surprised they didn't have it in Berlin. It's more sex positive.
37:07>> It is more sex positive. I've heard that. I've heard, guys. I don't know.
37:10Maybe people from Berlin can on that one. Anyway, that year the keynote speech was the keynote speech was given by Schmidt. This is right around the time she started dating him too, then still CEO of Google. Little is publicly known about the three-year relationship between Clark and Schmidt, who remains married to another woman. Schmidt was also an investor in one of Clark's startups, which focused on women's health. According to people familiar with the matter, she's all about all about empowering women. You got to admire that, you know.
37:38>> Yeah, I respect it. At the Munich conference, Clark and Copa Cap, I'm never going to say that right, met with John Brockman, a literary agent of scientific books who introduce Epstein to academics and Silicon Valley elites, according to Epstein documents recently released by the Justice Department. Now, I want to take a little sidebar here.
37:56>> Sidebar. [snorts] >> John Brockman is a guy we haven't talked about a ton on this show, and it deserves another look at some point. And as he was described there correctly, he was this literary agent who represented all kinds of people. But he was the head of the Edge Foundation.
38:12And this is what sucks about the Edge Foundation.
38:17And this is what the Epstein network would do, dude. All they had to do is just get some association with you and they could taint you forever.
38:25>> Yep.
38:26>> But the Edge Foundation featured I don't know if the site's still up. I haven't been on it in a while, but as of a couple years ago, it featured every [ __ ] known scientist, as in anyone who's ever done anything of note. I'm exaggerating a little bit here, but not that much, in the science field, whether it's physics, astronomy, you name it. Like, they're on it.
38:54They're on it. They're they're all in it. And this guy was connected to all of them. And I say that because he was a perfect he was a perfect dude to be like a pimp in this game because he had the intellectual backing of an organization.
39:17>> Mhm.
39:17>> With enormous human capital and connections that went way beyond the scientist, by the way, to where he could be a a kingmaker and someone who could introduce people to people. So he had social business trust of a lot of people but all the while he was boys with Jeffrey Epstein throwing all these parties. That was actually the guy I believe if I'm remembering correctly that Doug Rushkoff mentioned >> was running that party.
39:44>> Brockman. Yeah.
39:45>> That he went to in like 98 or 99 that he later found out Epstein >> was attending.
39:52I was going to say too with science like with people that are doing research and your work always is coming down to grants and it's it's literally the perfect storm. Same with like all the arts like all the different [snorts] artists that are caught up in this too.
40:08>> Those fields it's it's you're whing yourself out.
40:11>> Yes. And then even like let's play it out this way. There's some people who then ended up being compromised and blackmailed or [clears throat] >> obviously >> in some cases were even just straight up sick individuals do pedophilia and [ __ ] like that.
40:26>> But it poisons it's bad apples poison the whole well because then anyone including people that maybe never actually went to party of that type or whatever who just happen to be listening on that foundation. Similarly to how I've described how Epste and Maxwell would just take a photo with people over the years and now it's just there forever.
40:46>> This can taint them and like have to pull them in to being questioned about all these relationships. And by the way, fairly so. We've seen so many people that are like >> guilty of something, >> you know, in some cases clearly the worst things that like of course all of us in the general public are going to look at someone and be like, "What the [ __ ] man?" I mean, I I'll say without naming names or whatever, like I I there are people when again, we got to check if it's up, but on that Edge Foundation list, scientists who I know.
41:22>> Yeah. Well, that's why it's like you should have to answer. There's nothing wrong with that. Especially if you did nothing wrong. Like if I did nothing wrong, I'm one of these people. I would be like, "Dude, who's got a mic?" Yeah, >> you got a mic. So, I'm not saying those names right now, but if I have on like there's two guys I'm thinking of.
41:42If I have them on, >> you got to >> I'm going to ask him about it.
41:46>> And I I think knowing what I know now, especially, you have to do that. You have to do that.
41:53So, >> stay tuned cuz now now that's percolating. I might have to do that.
41:58>> But, as I said, at the Munich conference, this is where they met Brockman. Brockman introduced the women to Epstein that March 2011, writing that he was headed to a Wired magazine party where Brockman was the guest of honor.
42:11He told Epstein, quote, "You should connect for dinner with my girls, Cammy and Michelle. They're in LA raising money for a porn movie aimed at the women's market." He then shared the website for Ed. So, I I want to point this out. John Brockman, I believe, was also present. It's been a while, so maybe check me on this. believe he was present for the December 2010 dinner that I think Peggy Seagull helped put together that was like the welcome home party for Jeffrey Epstein from prison.
42:39This is a longtime friend of Epstein. He knew damn well what Epstein went to prison for. Jeffrey Epste at the time that he's writing that email to him about this [ __ ] porn company is a registered sex offender. And John Brockman has no hesitation saying you should connect with these two girls.
42:57they were women. But either way, you know what I mean? Who have this porn company as if it's a business opportunity for him. Again, these are people that just play by a different set of rules. Am I right?
43:10>> No, it's just it's I was just thinking optics again. It's like >> Yeah, it's it's crazy. So, Brockman concluded the March 3rd email by noting a birthday party being thrown for him that Saturday, saying Clark and Capil would be there. Clark followed up on the email soon after writing to Epstein.
43:25This is Cammy Clark, Dareday's now wife.
43:28Hello Jeffrey, we would love to have dinner with you this evening. She sent him her cell phone number. John Brockman didn't request for comments for the story because of course he didn't. The next week, Clark sent Epstein an email with an attachment. We thought you and the ladies might enjoy the script treatment for our first four films, American Girl in Paris. a little NSFW, not safe for workplace, she wrote. A year later, she reached back out to Epstein. At first, he didn't remember her. She replied that they had been introduced by Brockman a year earlier.
44:04We have the free luxury porn company.
44:07Does that ring a bell? And this is where I'm going with the Wall Street Journal's timeline of when these emails were sent.
44:12This is what I was referencing earlier where when you look at Jmail, they're like kind of out of order. But the Wall Street Journal and their reporting and their review has put this in order. So, we're going to go with this.
44:22>> All right. And if that's later proven incorrect and there's something we're missing here, we will correct that. But this is what they got. So, they say, "We have the She says to Epste, "We have the free luxury porn company. Does that ring a bell?" Jeffrey Epstein replies, "Yes, a loud gong." It didn't just ring a bell. He [ __ ] >> Yeah, I I I'm not going to make a joke there.
44:44>> Clark joke back. Haha, I was going to say you would be the first person that didn't remember this. She then pitched him on investing in her company, saying that they had just hired someone from Oprah Winfreyy's company. And Ashton Kutcher's catalyst, the media company behind the shows like Punked. Are you still interested? Epstein, then a registered sex offender, replied, can't do sex TV.
45:12So he at some point in this conversation, this is added context because I have the emails in front of me. He also mentions to what appears to be Cammy Clark, that he's in the Caribbean until April. As you recall, I live here, but I'm willing to look at whatever you think viable.
45:30And then that's obviously where this comes up. And he says, I can't do Sex TV.
45:39She goes, "So that email where she said, "You'd be the first person who didn't remember us." She also said, "At any rate, are you in NY? Would be great to catch up. I'm in San Francisco/ LA till Wednesday, then back." And she's signing all these off as Cammy Clark. So, they are from her. Officially jealous. She says, "Officially jealous on the Caribbean front. We'll intro you to Jennifer Zukarini via email. I personally, all caps, love what she did with Kiki DM." There is another girl who is starting a mid-pric lingerie line with an interesting distribution model.
46:12We'll send you her things when she has them together probably in the next week or so. So, she's throwing them all the things related to women and their bodies.
46:19>> Staying staying on brand, I guess, right? On brand.
46:23>> So, full steam ahead. We just This is another email.
46:27>> We just hired the head of programming and develop from and development from Oprah's network and prior to that Ashton's catalyst. We're highly focused on creating amazing content. Amaze only the best. Which landed us firmly in Hollywood where things operate at a very different timetable. Are you still interested? We might be raising another round. And so this is where he had then said like can't do it cuz he's in, you know, it's it's it's a sex company. So she goes, I didn't think so. Smiley face. Being a lingerie supporter is equally as good. We're also about to raise around for a social dieting app
47:00and website geared towards everything's about women. She got a lot of ideas for women. I don't think any of these came to fruition, but it was good enough that she's now like the key adviser for one of the key [ __ ] AI companies on Earth that's worth a couple trillion. Neither here nor there. We're also about to raise a round for a social dieting app, a website geared towards women. It integrates the data from all of our health monitoring devices, Fitbit, Fitbit, Jawbone, Up, Body Media, Fit Core, Armb Band, Nike Fuel Band, Wing Scale, MCT10's latest. Combined with userinputed data about nutrition, users
47:31will be able to photograph food for portion size calculations, prescription and supplement regimen, menstrual cycle, and location via GPS, mood, etc. via push notifications. Not spying on you at all, obviously, like all these apps. In fairness, I'm in.
47:44>> Like all these apps do. I Yeah, Joey D loves getting spy.
47:47>> She's like, I'm in.
47:48>> Information is then aggregated to create rich data results and infographics of each user's patterns, habits, and lifestyle. Honey, I'm just telling you, this is already TLDDR. Like this guy Jeff, he's a these rich people, they're like a one or two lines. Get the point across. You're at [ __ ] line eight right now. He has already dozed off, which by the way, he never responded to this email. He knows you. Anyway, users can share this information or opt out with other users Facebook style to get examples and templates of what works for real women over a broad range of lifestyle. Diet management and weight
48:21loss services are massive but deeply fragmented markets. 61 billion sales in the US, $586 billion globally. Online sales are growing quickly and tremendous potential for mobile. Is that anything that you'd be interested in? That's like the [ __ ] entourage guy. Is that something you might be interested in?
48:37>> Something you might be interested in.
48:38>> [ __ ] Martin Lando, >> dude.
48:42>> So good. That's effectively the end of the article other than Epstein received an automated note from LinkedIn in 2013 that he should congratulate Clark for her new role as CEO of Female Algorithm Technologies.
48:56Traces of it online are scant except for a Tumblr account with the edgy aesthetic that combined photos of nude women, a portrait of Steve Jobs with an early Mac and all caps mottos like great minds [ __ ] each other using the full expletative and let's make lots of money. If I could s, and that's a great way that Kee Hegley ended this article.
49:16It's perfectly on brand. If I could summarize this girl's life, it is all about [ __ ] her way to the top and trying to get rich quick and get around powerful people so that she can just snag off the [ __ ] ends of it. And now, you know, she probably seduced this relatively nerdy guy and is cucking him with her ex and is caught up in these files after they tried to scrub her from the internet, which would suggest, >> it would suggest, pure spec here, Joey Dec.
49:47>> But it would suggest that Dario Amade or whoever had that information scrubbed, and I would think he probably knew about that considering how Claude answers these responses itself. It would suggest that they knew maybe the past wasn't all sunshine and rainbows.
50:03>> Mhm.
50:06>> How many more of these are going to drop, dude? How many more people in this space? I I think we missed something in that article, by the way. She was involved in all those effective altruism groups >> in Silicon Valley, which is a chef's kiss. But like how many more times are we going to see someone near, around, or in power in the structure today in 2026 who is caught up with the most notorious sex trafficker in modern history?
50:35>> I think you could you could kind of think it's most of the new class, if you will.
50:40>> The new class.
50:41>> They were freshman back then.
50:43>> They were freshman.
50:43>> They're seniors now.
50:44>> They're seniors. They're in charge, >> you know, >> class president. You see someone walking around high school, but you don't know exactly what grade they're in. But then once they're a senior, you know they're a senior. And you're like, "Oh, they're in that class.
50:58>> They're in that class."
50:59>> And they're all in that class. Or it seems that way. Pure respect.
51:02>> Pure respect. But >> yeah, >> it's a loaded class.
51:06>> They got some heavy hitters in that class.
51:08>> They got heavy hitters. And the doors outside are locked. We We tried to tried to like just get in and like videotape it for you guys so you could find out what's happening. They security kicked us out. rebelling. They're putting orange soda in the water fountains right now.
51:22>> That's absolutely right. Absolutely right. So, Bill Gates daughter, >> Phoebe, mention mention this out front.
51:30>> Big cookie stuffer.
51:32>> Can we pull up a picture of feebes?
51:34>> Yeah, let me get that.
51:35>> Just, you know, lay down the visual here.
51:40This this plot that she's now implicated in has charges that could be listed up to 20 years in prison. By the way, as Joey Deep said to me earlier off camera, I'm betting on the under there.
51:55[laughter] Yeah. Yeah. She ain't doing 20 years. I would do I would have to do [laughter] Joey De's doing every bit of those.
52:04>> They might be like, you know what? [ __ ] it. 35. You know what? Joey Deef is going to go stuff some cookies. Pause.
52:11>> That's right.
52:12>> Later tonight. And they'll give him the 20 that they would give her. And he'll be the whipping boy. I remember that book.
52:19>> That's exactly grade school. Yours is a whipping boy.
52:21>> That's it.
52:21>> They're going to be like, "All right, well, now that two people have committed the crime, bad girl, Phoebe, but Joey Def will do the time for you.
52:28>> Guess I'm doing a hard 20."
52:30>> Hard 20 pose there. By the way, this is from a uh Akash Gupta on Twitter. He laid out that Cookie Stuffing has already sent two men to federal prison.
52:42Sean Hogan made 28 million as eBay's number one affiliate before the FBI raided his home. Brian Dunning, the number two, took in 5.2. Both pleaded guilty, so they pled it down, too, to wire fraud. They didn't go to trial and they were given I believe it was like [snorts] yeah Hogan got five months Dunning got 15. Isn't that funny how the leader who made more got five months and his number two who made like one six of what he made got [ __ ] 15 months.
53:12>> Isn't it funny how the girl who like founded this company is not going to do 20 years but some schmuck's going to do like nine. Yeah. It's hilarious. That's exactly classic >> biz. So, as a review, what what I mentioned at the outside of the episode, just so we're clear, is that this company, FIA, which Phoebe founded with, what's her name? Keani.
53:33>> Keano Reeves.
53:34>> Yeah. Can we just get that girl's full name that she founded it with? I forget.
53:38But as a part of this Bloomberg investigation that Bloomberg, shout out, did a great job.
53:41>> Sophia Keani, sorry.
53:43>> Sophia Keani, is the other one. And then it's Phoebe Gates. Okay. So Bloomberg did this great reporting and also a long time fraud researcher named Ben Ben Edelman did his own reporting as well and was really on to this. But >> I'm going to oversimplify it because some of this gets like a little technical but essentially their company FIA allows users to utilize coupons to get deals on the internet.
54:11They were putting cookies, which are those things you have to hit accept and reject to that none of us ever think about what the [ __ ] it is. It's like a track a way of tracking people. They would use cookies illegally to follow people through their internet navigation, if you will, to then automatically get credit for sales that they did not drive. I am oversimplifying it, but that is effectively what they did. And that is what we laid out in Bloomberg's initial reporting which was back in July. At the time that Bloomberg reported it, the company FIA went, "Oh my god, no. This Oh my god." And they went in.
54:53They're like, "No, no, my no. We didn't do this. [gasps] Oh my god. There's some cookie stuffing going on." We had no idea.
55:02>> Yep.
55:02>> Not a clue. And I know you and I bought that.
55:05>> Yeah. Yeah. They're like, "We just found out yesterday." Like, "Holy shit."
55:08>> And they turned it off.
55:09>> Oh.
55:10>> They turned it right off. They were respect.
55:13>> They were so blown away.
55:15>> I respect that.
55:15>> And they went to Bloomberg and they said, "Thank you.
55:18>> Thank you for looking out for our customers who we would never ever hurt.
55:23>> We would never ever try to skim money off the top of. Thank you for pointing this out. You have made our company a better place." But Bloomberg wasn't done there and apparently neither was Edelman. So again, shout out to both of them. And they decided to go in and take a deeper look >> and make some calls.
55:44>> Oh, that's not good.
55:45>> They You know what they did, Joe De?
55:46>> Who' they call?
55:47>> You know what they did?
55:48>> What' they do?
55:51>> They did a little door knocking.
55:52>> Oh, they were just like >> old school on the ground Columbbo type investigating >> and they went inside this company.
56:01looking this way and that way.
56:02>> Exactly. That's 100%. You got the old lady looking through the window going, "Oh my god, what's happening?" Cuz she lives for the neighborhood gossip and she just sees them on the doorstep saying, "We got to talk."
56:13>> Yeah.
56:13>> Right. Don't know what they're talking about. But I believe, can we check this deep? They raised like 35 million in funding.
56:19>> Yeah. Was that so? I believe so.
56:21>> It was tens of millions of dollars. They raised it from people like Haley Bieber.
56:25I think a Kardashian gave him some money.
56:28>> Yeah.
56:28>> Yeah. Definitely no one who's in any way a connection that she was able to meet through her father through you know cuz obviously Phoebe's out there finding good money herself completely. But yeah, so they raised all this money and Bloomberg was saying they were doing this cookie stuffing thing. They say, "Oh my god, we weren't doing it." So once they turned off the cookie stuffing because they couldn't believe it was even on. They had no idea about it.
56:56Bloomberg was able to continue to investigate and see that their revenues immediately came down something from like 80,000 a month on this to in the neighborhood of 10,000. It is in this article from Bloomberg. Can you type in 80,000 fine next? Yeah.
57:11>> So I can get it right. I I want to make sure I have the figures that they got.
57:15So after FIA disabled the features in early July, average daily revenue at the company dropped from about $80,000 a day to between 10 and 28,000. The chart shows a Slack message posted by a FIA data scientist on July 7th and reviewed by Bloomberg estimated the cookie stuffing accounted for about 51% of the merchandise value FIA claimed credit for selling in June. So more than half of their company's revenue was coming from what do we call this Joey DeFe?
57:44>> Scam fraud.
57:46>> That's right. That's right. And you know what?
57:48>> Lazy fraud.
57:50>> Lazy fraud. As our friend M. Cox would say, this is this is sloppy fraud.
57:55>> Well, look it. She's 23 years old.
57:58>> That's That is some classic immature childish fraud.
58:03>> She just didn't know.
58:04>> Now you might have to learn a lesson.
58:06[laughter] >> But you won't. She She won't cuz Joey De has already signed on to be her attorney.
58:12>> Well, pay me some of that fear money.
58:15>> Joey Joey That's That's right. Joey Deep's going to get some of the revenue.
58:18>> Come on now. Turn the turn the stuffer back on.
58:21>> If the if you're going to pay for my retainer, >> if the cookie don't fit, you must acquit. That's right.
58:26>> He's already got it ready to go.
58:28>> I'm going to need you to turn that back on cuz I got a retainer to get >> That's right. He's You make sure just as long as he gets his retainer, we'll forgive the fraud.
58:36>> Yeah.
58:37>> You know, >> and then I'll just blow the case. You'll get 30 years.
58:40>> That's right. That's right. Joey Deep's got to raise some money in the influencer world out there. There's there's a lot of aesthetic things that he's working on in his life. buying a mansion with money he can't afford and this is how he's going to get it.
58:52>> Yeah. Yeah. Help me out or I'm doomed.
58:54You know, >> doomed.
58:56>> Doomed.
58:56>> Anyway, so they're kind their revenue split in more than half after this occurs.
59:01>> And what I meant by >> Bloomberg owner and knock on some doors is they went to employees, engineers, it sounds like sources within the company and they were able to get access to Slack texts that date all the way back to December.
59:17>> Damn. And in the words of pretty much every legal textbook that I've been told about it, I didn't go to law school. Maybe my lawyers can help me out here.
59:29>> This is where you find the quote unquote smoking gun.
59:33>> I don't even know if that's in legal textbooks, but we use it in popular parl, so forgive me if I'm wrong.
59:38>> Either way, you get the point.
59:40It is made very clear in Slack messages that Bloomberg was able to review and verify that they also, if you scroll all the way down, Joey DeFe, they recreate at the very bottom. Go all the way down to the bottom of the article. Keep going. Keep going. Pass the cookie stuffing. Keep going. Right there. They recreate these different conversations from December 2025 where Phoebe and her co-founder Keani, that's how you say it, right?
60:08>> Yep. Yeah. Sophia Keani are going back and forth with engineers where they are admit like I read through these and like it's a little bit technical but I read through them a couple different times and I'd like all of you guys to read through this as well for yourself to see you know what your takeaway was which by the way this is >> this is one of those you can archive.is and see if it comes up because it's Bloomberg which is you know another service so we mike bends this and we were able to see it. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and
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