You Keep Asking, So Here You Go. -Clip

[clears throat] >> Uh, today we're going to go over all the Candace stuff, all the developments in Charlie Kirk.

0:07>> [snorts] >> Um, there's a whole bunch of other people that have added a lot of important uh, information, leaks, digging and investigation to the story that's going to add to the picture that's being painted right now.

0:23About what's going on with Charlie Kirk's assassination, the investigation, what's going on with Turning Point USA, what's going on with Erica, what's going on with Candace, what's going on with the internet coming after Candace, trying to break it all down. Conspiracy theories are entering a >> [music] >> dangerous >> Information is the oxygen of the democracy. There's so much evidence out there that even if less than 1% [music] is true, that would be enough to collapse the current paradigm and change the whole planet.

0:58Um, I've been gone for the last 3 days, if you didn't hear. So, um, I've been watching, but I've also been away, not commenting on everything, and trying to keep up with everything, cuz a lot has happened. And on Tuesday when Candace came back, there seemed to be a swarm of people worried that she'd like sold out all of a sudden, um, that Erica had like made her some offer, and that she couldn't be trusted anymore. And we'll get into my reasoning and everything that I think about that, but I suspect that that was a narrative pushed by shills that then a lot of regular people got swept up in. It's a

1:39very effective very effective campaign there.

1:42And I suspect that that is propaganda, very carefully crafted to try to shake your convictions and your questions, and then magnified, amplified, by all of the usual shilly influencers.

1:57>> [snorts] >> Um, you can always tell what's going on when you look at get the responses from various people and how they are parroting different narratives.

2:08But when I watched Candace's Tuesday stream, her first stream back since talking to Erica in private for 4 and 1/2 hours, I felt like we had a bunch of new information added to the ledger, a bunch of very useful data points to add to the data set to help all us other journalists do our jobs and cross-reference things and uh, get a little bit more accountability for what is really going on and what TPUSA is saying is going on and what various other people are saying is going on.

2:41And I'll get into all of that. We've got a green beret sniper with some very wild allegations about leaks that he's gotten from the CIA about the FBI interfering with the investigation and shutting down CIA inquiries, shutting down inquiries into foreign involvement.

2:58We've got some great commentary on some of the stuff Candace revealed about the bullet, allegedly, um, coming from Valhalla VFT.

3:07We get We got a whole bunch of different clips. This is going to be a long stream. We're going to try to go through everything in relatively granular detail and watch a bunch of clips, comment on a whole bunch of it, and hopefully give some context, at least give you my perspective, um, sort of halfway in, halfway out, what I see, what I think's going on.

3:23As always, you should think for yourself. You shouldn't trust me. You shouldn't trust Candace. You definitely shouldn't trust people like Tim Pool or Steven Crowder or Ben Shapiro or anyone else. You should think for yourself and you should look at a wide variety of sources. You should do your own research, and you should come to your own conclusions.

3:42And you should always keep your mind open, uh, to other theories and to the possibility that there are bad actors in the space, and just, you know, stay humble and rem- remember that this is extremely complex, and there are multiple layers of games being played beneath the scenes here, I presume.

4:00And we're very likely looking at some sort of government cover-up of possibly some sort of military assassination operation.

4:09And all of that comes with extreme complexity that us as regular people, as regular citizens, have a very limited window into.

4:18And we can judge it based upon historical context. We can judge it based on who's saying what. You can judge it based on research that you do.

4:28But ultimately, it's a very muddy area right now to try to unpack and to try to figure out what's going on.

4:36But today we're going to try to do our best.

4:40And we'll see what comes of it. Once I'm done with all this, I'd be curious to hear if you guys agree or disagree, if you think I'm crazy, or if you think this adds some good context, because I think that this week the ball is moving way down the field, and Candace has made it clear that she's dropping shitloads of stuff every day this week, because she's getting ready to go on break, and I think she wants to just I think she's just fed up with it, and the the propaganda is reaching a fever pitch.

5:10TPUSA seems to be maximally fearful right now. Everything seems to be at a very important nexus point, which has a lot to do with how Candace is doing what she's doing, the way she's doing it. But it also has a lot to do with what everyone else is doing and what's going on.

5:27And I expect that this week is going to just continue to be wild in this investigation, and I expect that the Christmas holiday is going to not be quite so quiet as one might expect.

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7:16Welcome back. Um, I've been traveling.

7:18It's good to be back.

7:19Uh, thanks for the hype and checking in on me while I was gone. Yeah, Twitch did not send a notification today, uh, for the second stream. We did a stream earlier today that we did get a notification out for. That stream was fun. That was a good time. But I needed to have breakfast, and now we're back.

7:35And we're about to dive in for a long time here. We got a lot to cover.

7:39But I want to start with our boy Lionel. Um, I've heard of Lionel before, but I've not watched Lionel before.

7:47And Lionel's hilarious. Um, Lionel seems like such a character.

7:52And I just thought he had some really, uh, perceptive commentary on what's going on with Candace right now. I don't have any context on who Lionel is or, you know, the bigger picture around Lionel. I'm not like endorsing everything Lionel's ever done. I don't know what he's done. Maybe he's awesome.

8:06Maybe he's not. But his commentary on this, I think, is really astute and perceptive. So, we're going to open with a little clip from Lionel before we jump into the meat of the story.

8:17Institutions like like TPUSA don't invite people they can safely ignore.

8:22They invite people whose questions and whose inquiry and whose focus are spreading faster than the official answers. And and whose refusal to to back down threatens, again, this thing called narrative control.

8:41Candace almost walked into that room already holding all the leverage, all the cards, because she didn't need the meeting to validate her her inquiry. The inquiry was already alive, and that matters right now, extremely critically, because it sets the entire tone. Erica Kirk and Turning Point needed the meeting to slow the momentum to calm donors and signal some kind of order or the semblance of order.

9:16And Candace needed only clarity. She didn't need this. And that imbalance, by the way, that decided everything before the first question and the first exchange.

9:26What gives Candace her power over anything else is not volume or theatrics. It's discipline.

9:36She listens. She presses. She refuses to confuse politeness with truth or access with authority.

9:46And throughout the entire conversation or during this this confab, she does something institutions deeply resent and fear. She keeps the story open. Every time an answer seems to resolve one issue, she moves calmly to what still remains unresolved.

10:05To something else that doesn't align.

10:07She accepts acknowledgements. She >> [snorts] >> accepts facts without really allowing them to function as absolution.

10:16Okay, she's very good at this.

10:18And she distinguishes this thing about suspi- suspicion from certainty.

10:25You know, without surrendering either.

10:27That's not recklessness. It's it's method. And when these communications are admitted, it it's it it it it doesn't allow the the admission to erase bigger questions, to bigger inconsistencies. Let me just explain this to you. This is critical stuff, my friends.

10:49Right?

10:50I recommend you watch the whole video from Lionel. He's had three recent ones that are all really spot-on, intellectual, perceptive, breaking open the method by which this is all happening, as well as the significance of certain pieces of evidence and events.

11:06But, it's really important to understand or to try to understand the position that Candace is in right now.

11:14In order to get an appreciation for how she's going about this right now, because she is not like the rest of us. She is not in a position like the rest of us.

11:28Even me, who is in this media space with a large platform, I'm not even in a position anything like her at all. Even if we had the same size platform, she would be in a different position just by the virtue of how much of the spotlight of this investigation is trained on her.

11:43And so, the method that she goes about this inquiry with is extremely delicate.

11:50And I think that the way that she's doing it is just right.

11:55As Lionel said, she doesn't confuse suspicion with certainty. She allows herself the journalistic privilege to continue to ask questions without needing to without erring into the arena of outright accusations that will get her into trouble, so that she can stay out of trouble and continue the reporting. And she takes admissions, statements from someone like Erica or Andrew Kolvint or TPUSA, whoever.

12:25She takes those as just what they are.

12:27Factually, they are an admission from that person at that time of this thing.

12:32But, that is not the same as final proof of the true nature of that statement.

12:39And so, when she comes back from her meeting with Erica and just gives you the information that Erica told her, I think a lot of people interpreted that as, "Oh my gosh, Candace just bought everything that Erica sold her." That's not at all what happened.

12:56Candace was gifted everything that Erica tried to sell her, and she took it all for free. And then she turned around and gave it all back to us to say, "Here's some new receipts."

13:10Not receipts that what Erica says is necessarily true, but receipts to say that Erica Kirk on Monday, December 15th, I think it was, said these things as the CEO and representative of Turning Point USA. And that is wildly significant.

13:30Because a lot of it directly contradicted past TPUSA statements.

13:36Some of it opened up whole new avenues of questioning.

13:41And some of it seemed to sort of put to rest some things. But, when you look with subtlety, you realize that actually it mostly just leaves doors open in every direction.

13:56So, let's get on to Candace's Tuesday show and watch a couple of those clips.

14:05And we'll go through each one and we'll discuss each one.

14:08And then we'll move on to yesterday's show where she dropped a bunch of new evidence, allegedly.

14:16And then we'll get on to other corroborations and examinations by other expert witnesses.

14:22Some directly related to Candace and some in a whole other direction.

14:31Oh, this is the entire reason we are doing this. We've been looking at the situation going, "Why can't Turning Point USA just answer basic questions?"

14:39And I can tell you guys that yesterday for 4 hours and 30 minutes, there were no rules. They said you can say you can ask us any question that you want, anything that's on your mind, which I appreciated.

14:51And some of you guys are thinking, "Who is they? Who is they?" It's the Jews, obviously. Just kidding. It's Justin Straive. Justin Straive was in the room.

14:59It was just Justin Straive and Erica.

15:02George joined me just for the beginning portion of the conversation cuz he had that thing going on that I told you on the 15th all day, he was in a conference. And then I brought my cousin Mia, you know, the one that has a really bad attitude. I just bring her there for vibes. I think it just confuses people.

15:15They're like, "I don't I don't understand. What's this person doing?"

15:19Totally how Candace is. 100%.

15:22here. And the reality is she's like always just listening to Cardi B music.

15:27Uh but, she's my cousin and I always have her around. And so, that was it.

15:30She was kind of sitting um a little bit away, but at the table it was just it was really just the four of us until George left. And I will be honest, I did not know what to expect going into the room. I did not know But, let's be honest. None of us expected Erica to go there and then just like tell Candace, "Oh, secretly I've thought it was Israel all along and here's all the evidence and I'm surrounded by Israeli operatives and I'm against them all. I'm on your team, Candace. Here's all the lies TPUSA." That was never going to happen. That was not what was ever going to happen. Even if you are on

16:11the side of thinking Erica Kirk is great, that still was never what was going to happen. But, if you've been paying attention to the reporting about Erica Kirk, then you pretty damn well knew that that was not going to happen. Right?

16:26>> [snorts] >> And Candace knew that, too. And yes, I know, how can I skip her iconic intro?

16:30It was pretty iconic. Dancing to the Jew music was pretty funny.

16:34>> [snorts] >> If they were going to be open, I didn't know what Erica's energy was going to be like, if it was going to be more of an argument, if there was going to be legal threats.

16:45You guys were telling me not to drink water, so I didn't drink water. Well, I brought my own water, but I didn't drink that water, too. It was a lot. There was a lot going on, okay?

16:53And the conversation could started with just I sort of suspected there might be legal threats. That was sort of my suspicion.

17:00I I couldn't really square why the hell they were asking for this meeting in the first place, other than that they're coming from a position of weakness and they're [snorts] hoping to like leverage girl time to like I don't know what the they thought they were going to accomplish here. And Straive very sensibly saying, "What are we looking to accomplish here? Like, what is the actual aim of this conversation?" And he was pretty clear and Erica was very clear that they were sort of most upset with what I obviously a bit of a fever pitch, what I tweeted that it was a godforsaken company and people should

17:40not give money to it. And I have to own that. That's aggressive. That is actually aggressive in the retrospect. I was very frustrated and I [snorts] I think what they must have been hoping to achieve is they must have been under the false assumption that Candace, like most people, would be like a normal person and sort of cave to the pressure and not be so focused and diligent in the moment when it like really matters and that then they would sort of be able to diffuse her a little bit.

18:13Meaning that they they must not have realized the kinds of situations that Candace has dealt with, the kinds of experience with high-profile people that Candace has interviewed and talked to and dealt with in the past.

18:23Um this was nothing for Candace. She was very used to this kind of an inquiry and there was no emotional pressure or or intensity that was going to stop her from asking her questions. Okay? She's been through the fire plenty of times.

18:37And so, I'm not surprised that this is the report we got back about it all.

18:40Yeah, I don't know. I just I I felt like we weren't getting any answers and there were so many lies. And then I was getting attacked for asking all meaningful questions that it was within their capacity to answer.

18:50And I told you I I definitely my problem in life is that I can rise to anger very quickly. Uh I shared with them that I really felt like I was under attack for telling the truth from the very beginning. Like, casually when I mentioned the Catholicism thing. Like, what was that about? I was like, "Look, you you And so, there's no point when Candace goes into this meeting, there's no point for her to go in adversarially.

19:16That is not the posture that she should be taking. That posture only gives TPUSA more ammunition, only makes her look less like a journalist and more like like an angry friend that has a vendetta.

19:29Right? She's a she's a journalist doing journalism and it's important that she maintains the posture of journalism. And the posture of journalism is neutral and unbiased, receptive to information, but not jumping to conclusions. Right?

19:43She should have been recording, but that was against the rules. And journalists are no strangers to off-the-record or unrecorded or partially record conversations. That's very normal for Candace. Very normal for anyone.

19:55Um I think there's one other little bit of intro concept from her second day and then we'll get into more clips. So, I've kept a lot of cards close to my chest and truly it is because I have understood throughout this entire process that we need to separate the wheat from the chaff. Like of course not every single person is bad at Turning Point USA. We don't have every single person that's bad that works for the FBI or the NSA. There are good guys everywhere and there are bad people everywhere. So when somebody's telling you everyone's good or everybody's bad, you should not you should not believe

20:28that. Well, get ready guys, buckle up. Where do we begin? This is what I would say it's clearly a federal disaster. We might You guys said to watch Jesse on Fire's show from today. That looks like a spicy thumbnail. I'll check that out later.

20:49Um But for now we're going to get into some of the things that Candace some of the receipts that Candace brought back with her essentially. Some of the things that Erica said that are on the record now and then some of the um evidence that she brought to the table yesterday. This portion uh cuz I didn't get to watch the interview in its entirety and we were pulling clips cuz a lot was coming out very quickly, but there was a portion that was going around that was viral and it was Erica saying that she had Charlie's phone and that Charlie never texted anybody the night before saying that he thought that

21:26they were going to kill him and that obviously reflected poorly on me because I was the one who said that he did in fact uh text multiple people the night before.

21:36And then I went on Jimmy Dore. This part is shady. This part sounds shady as right? And again, it's not Candace's place to call Erica Kirk out to her face cuz partially you want to keep Erica talking. You want to keep Erica on friendly exchange terms so that she'll just keep talking.

22:01Right? One of the most important uh stratagems is when your enemy's making a mistake, don't stop them.

22:09Stacy is a legend. Stacy in the chat gifting a ton of subs. Thanks, Stacy.

22:14>> [snorts] >> And so if Erica's just going to come in here and start offering information to Candace, Candace doesn't want that to stop.

22:20Damn. Everybody [clears throat] that just got a sub from Stacy, say thank you. 100 subs.

22:26Stacy, you're total legend. Really appreciate you.

22:29>> [snorts] >> But the other thing about this exchange around the text messages is the context of what Erica did and didn't assume, what she did and didn't look at. See if you can pick this up.

22:45on Friday Jimmy Dore show and I clarified I said Andrew Kolvet told me specifically that he was one of the people that received this text message.

22:52So I got that first person. I didn't get that from a source. I got that directly from Andrew Kolvet and then somebody who had access to Dan Flood's communications said that Dan Flood similarly received a text message. They owned that right away and explained Erica said that she has Charlie's phone. She's looking at his iMessages and it turns out that he like everybody else communicates on Signal, he communicates on Telegram and that those communi when she heard me say that, they then went and looked and yes, that what I said was true.

23:28So you mean to tell me that Erica has lived in this life for years that she was Charlie's wife for years that she founded a international charity orphanage when she was 17, she was collaborating with the military she's been doing all these political things and she had no knowledge of how Signal and Telegram work?

24:00You mean to tell me that Charlie's wife never had any understanding that he used Signal and Telegram?

24:09And like if she was just like a ditzy like like cute wife that has no sort of like masculine qualities, no leadership qualities. Like if she was someone other than Erica Kirk then maybe I would believe that. Maybe she's the kind of Christian wife that just like does fully female things and stays totally out of it and is totally uninvolved and is just a sweetheart. But that's not who Erica Kirk is at all.

24:37That's not the type of relationship that we've been led to understand that they had.

24:41She herself came out in the first days and said that Charlie told her everything. She knows everything. That's a quote from Erica.

24:50More or less.

24:51From when she joined the Charlie Kirk show days after he was killed.

24:55She's not a dumb housewife.

24:58And now she's stepped in as CEO, so she damn well better understand encrypted messaging apps.

25:03And theoretically she would even understand that they aren't all that safe after all at this point.

25:10Yeah, we're going to check out James's video about her later.

25:13But do you know what I'm saying? It's so it's like first the excuse is oh, I looked at his text messages at his Apple SMS messages and I didn't see anything like that.

25:26You mean to say that your husband was assassinated under very suspicious circumstances and you didn't go and check the encrypted messaging apps that are right there on his phone until after you got called out directly?

25:40And key phrasing here Candace called out directly that Andrew Kolvet had received a very specific message under the pretext that she had substantial knowledge of what the wording was and what that was. So there is more context around Kolvet's message.

26:00Dan Flood's message it sounded like she'd gotten second hand and she didn't know exactly what the wording was. And you notice how the way that Erica addressed Kolvet's message and the way that Erica addresses Dan's message is really different here.

26:13Uh Andrew Kolvet received a message the night before and Dan Flood received a message the night before. Now they asked me if I had actually like a concrete a copy of what Dan Flood got the night before and I said no. Somebody told me what it said, which was almost exactly what Andrew I wonder what Erica would have said if Candace had claimed that she had a copy of Dan's message.

26:41Do you think that if Candace had said yes, I have a screenshot of Dan's message, do you think that then Erica would have said what comes next?

26:51said, which is they're going to kill me.

26:53Andrew did not know who they were who they that the they that he was referring to uh were but they clarified that the message that Dan Flood received said the left is going to kill me. So I can't confirm that one way or the other. I have to trust them on that because I did not see that concrete message. I was told that it said they.

27:13Right? And maybe it did say the left.

27:16I don't know.

27:18But it's interesting that the one that said the left is the one that is more obscure and likely to never come out.

27:27Quite the coincidence, right?

27:30Um and you notice how Candace framed it.

27:34She told you what was said and then she said I can't confirm that either way, I just have to trust Erica on that.

27:41Translation that's only what Erica said.

27:47It's all it is.

27:48That's what Erica said.

27:50And now that's on the record as what Erica said.

27:54Now obviously we discussed the moment and I'm like Uh that's the end of that clip.

28:01We watched this one.

28:04That's fair to clear that up. Now, I did not at all recant any of my suspicions and I I understand people disagree with me.

28:12And you notice how though all the Z O shills were all over Twitter like reposting clips of this being like Candace walks back all of her positions.

28:22No, she didn't.

28:24She didn't walk back any of her positions.

28:27She very specifically did not walk back any of her positions.

28:32She just reported what Erica said about her positions and in some cases Erica corroborated her positions directly.

28:40Let's not forget that until recently Candace was crazy wrong. Candace needed to be institutionalized.

28:49Candace's husband needed to get control of her and shut her up for claiming that Charlie had texted the day before that they were going to kill him.

28:59And now we have it straight from Charlie's wife that Candace was not lying.

29:04You see how that works?

29:08Holding cards close to your chest while you let everyone expose themselves.

29:14about particular people at Turning Point USA. I communicated what I communicated in front of the whole world. I my skin crawled after I spoke to Terrell Farnsworth, the person who took the cameras down. He lied to me several times. I explained to them, which felt good to have that direct communication, how Terrell lied multiple times and that I did not understand why he was there that day. They echoed what he said. They defended what he said that they were trying something new that day, that they typically live stream, which is what Terrell said. They typically live stream and I said every college event. Well,

29:50they said, "Well, yeah, they live stream the events that are tour stops, but they don't live stream like the outside prove me wrong type events." And that was something that was new and it required Terrell. And I said, "Even if that was all real if that was all true, I still didn't feel good about the conversation that I had with Terrell and I can't ignore my gut about the many Remember, Terrell Farnsworth lied, appeared to have lied at least about his original intent in taking down taking out the SD cards. First story we got, I believe, was that he was afraid people were going to steal them.

30:24So, he took the SD cards, but not the cameras, not all the expensive equipment.

30:30Multi-thousand-dollar cameras. He just left those, but he took the SD cards.

30:35Then, we got the clarification that no, the police told him to do that.

30:40But then the videos came out that showed the timeline of him filming himself, clarifying that there was no police officer that told him to do anything.

30:48There was no timeline for that. So, then the story changed again more recently to be, "Oh, well, he took the SD cards out because he was afraid people would steal them."

30:58And then the police asked him for the SD cards later, so he gave them to them.

31:05You see? You see how when you get people's statements on the record at the moment, you trap their lies in later.

31:14They get trapped in with what they've said already.

31:17And the This is why you have a right to remain silent, because anything you say can and will be used against you.

31:25And you never know how one thing you said, you know, 3 weeks ago is going to hem you in when you try to maneuver out of your lie later, when more evidence comes out. Especially when you don't know what evidence is already out and being held by someone like Candace Owens.

31:42Little lies that he told. I thought the video he recorded was weird. I know he comes from a very powerful family. I just I personally do not trust him and >> I don't know about Terrell Farnsworth's very powerful family.

31:53I need to read more into Terrell Farnsworth's very powerful family, apparently.

31:59I, obviously, do not like the fact that I said, you know, Tyler Boyer lied about this thing and said came up with an excuse and said, "Well, Terrell was asked to take the camera down. That's the reason." He said on Twitter.

32:12Because the police wanted him to take it down and secure the footage. And I said, "I know that's not true." And they said, "Well, after all of that, yeah, after he took the cameras down, there was a police officer or or fed, whoever it was, that spoke to him and asked him to secure the footage." Well, that makes sense, but it's not a reason for why he took it down immediately. It makes sense that as you're investigating, you're going to say, "Who's got the footage? You know, let's lock it down." But it didn't make sense to me that Tyler Boyer uh lied about it. And I don't trust Tyler Boyer and that does not That is

32:39never going to change. Similarly with Rob McCoy, he make I am not surprised at all that Candace said all of this directly to Erika's face. Candace is a very direct person and she has no qualms about telling it like it is, the way she sees it, to whoever's face. She's done it to Trump. She's done it to Ye. She's done it to people way more intimidating than Erika Kirk.

33:02It makes my skin crawl. I can't explain it. This is a I look at him and he's a bad person and nobody can make me feel one way or the other about that. I was surprised to learn uh and this is kind of gets into, I guess, us not knowing the inner workings of Turning Point USA, that Rob McCoy actually does not work with Turning Point USA in any capacity what Right?

33:24Apparently, Rob McCoy doesn't work at Turning Point USA in any capacity, despite them letting him go on claiming as such, more or less, for months.

33:38No clarification until they are way out on the back foot and need to do something.

33:49Because everyone that was doing research into it, myself included, was turning up the fact that Rob McCoy helped found Turning Point USA Faith.

33:59Right?

34:01I remember doing that research.

34:06And so, where's the shift? Was it that he had been involved and then they scrubbed all that? Or was it a bunch of just false journalism hanging out there on the internet?

34:20Because to me, just my opinion, it looks a lot more like Rob McCoy has been jettisoned and they have washed their hands of that as much as possible and claimed that he never worked there under any capacity, because there's too many eyes on Rob McCoy and his operation has been exposed.

34:42That's what that looks like to me.

34:45I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like.

34:50Yeah. So, Nate looked for Mikey and his dad on TPUSA's website and they're not there.

34:57Isn't that interesting?

35:00See what I'm saying is I a lot got done.

35:02A lot came out of this meeting and a lot came out in her Tuesday episode, when apparently everyone felt betrayed.

35:10forever. And so, him communicating as he has done, like I'm the pastor on this, I'm that, it's just not real. Like that is not real and we should know that that's not real and But is it Israel?

35:29Because it might be Israel.

35:33When he says that, call him out on that separately from Turning Point USA. I was operating under the assumption that he worked for Turning Point USA and I said, "If obviously that's that's wrong, I I'm happy to correct that." But also, what were we to assume when he hit the stage at the memorial and said, "I'm America's pastor" and then had the Wikipedia updated and said, well, I'm I'm assuming he had it updated, cuz who else would [snorts] do that, that he started Turning Point USA Faith?

35:59Right?

36:00It was on his Wikipedia page that he helped found TPUSA Faith.

36:09A very suspicious organization with all kinds of ties to the New Apostolic Reformation movement, to Ziklag, to all these Zio donors and Zionist Christians infiltrating the Christian faith.

36:24Yeah, they think we're stupid.

36:26So, I guess, to be clear, we we were just wrong about that and I will have a lot more to say about And see, when she says we were wrong about that, what she's saying is, "Okay, whatever you say.

36:44If you say he never worked there, cool.

36:48I wonder what Sermons Alley Files has saved on her hard drive from Rob McCoy.

36:53I wonder what content Baron Coleman has saved on his files about Rob McCoy talking about TPUSA Faith.

37:02I wonder what past words just got trapped in this new reality where Rob McCoy never worked for TPUSA under any capacity."

37:14Rob McCoy and where I believe he fits into a lot of things. So, I'm not letting up on that now. One piece of this where I was I still don't understand it Oh, yes. Here we go.

37:30One piece of this where I was I still don't understand it and the magic bullet.

37:39Okay? Now, we all recall what happened.

37:41I casually say on the show, "Hey, I saw the footage. There was no blood." And honestly, when I when I said it, I didn't process how big of a deal that was with the .30-06.

37:51Very quickly, what happens is Andrew Kolvet whips up this this tweet about the what happened with the bullet and he said he had he wanted to address all the discussion that was being had about the online chatter. I'm obviously paraphrasing here. He says, "I apologize. It's going to get graphic."

38:07But he spoke with the surgeon. The bullet should have gone through. The surgeon then explained >> I'm going to skip through ahead a bit of her reading his tweet. and through, it likely would have killed those standing behind him, too.

38:19And we were just like, egh.

38:24That kind of was like the beginning of the WTF.

38:29F.

38:30That was where a lot of the military people that were weirded out by the wound, that was where they lost it. That's where a lot of conspiracy theorists were born, cuz that's some Right? I feel like that was kind of the beginning of it.

38:48And immediately, people in the comments responded to Andrew and he said, this individual said, "This post is so fake as it would violate HIPAA. Like there's patient privacy." "Rest assured, I wouldn't have posted without full permission." Quote, Andrew Kolvet.

39:07Now, we're being told that that was an abject lie.

39:11At this point, if Andrew Kolvet isn't fired, I'm confused.

39:19If Andrew Kolvet is not fired and investigated, I am confused.

39:25Because Andrew Kolvet has just completely defamed Turning Point USA.

39:31And he is their spokesperson.

39:33He is supposed to be their PR representative.

39:37And he's now been caught multiple times lying on the internet about very important things. Making up quotations, making up information, claiming that he has full permission, which would imply from Erica, as well as the surgeon, when none of that was true.

39:57Can't just call up the surgeon and then Andrew Kolb it replies and says, "Rest assured, I would not have posted without full permission." Now, he said he spoke to the surgeon and they confirmed that Andrew spoke to the surgeon, but that they did not know that he was going to write that tweet. He did They did not know that he called up the surgeon Right, Chad just said, "Watch, he won't be fired." Exactly.

40:20Get their statements on the record and then watch what they do.

40:26And slowly the record records everything that happens.

40:32And that's the thing about lies is they trap you.

40:36Lies trap you within them.

40:39And when everything is this public, when you're running a public charity with a public-facing media arm, with a gigantic public inquiry into your actions, lies defeat themselves over time. As long as you let lies keep lying.

40:55surgeon. So, like it very much came across to me like Andrew was just flying by the seat of his pants. I I I don't I don't know. It like he was just flying dark on it and I was like, "That seems very strange to me because why would a surgeon do that? Like the first thing the surgeon should say is I can't speak to you."

41:16The number of things that Kolb it has done now are crazy. He's also the one that called Candace and said, "You and Tucker need to lay low. Someone's going to try to kill you."

41:29But never told them who it was.

41:32He's been out here feeding information, leaking information. He's also the one that leaked the information about the autopsy to Steven Gardner.

41:42Letting out this autopsy information, which we'll hear from Nate in a minute, totally up the story even more.

41:49Especially now they've walked their story back around to say it was a frangible round. And we'll get to Nate in a second to explain that.

41:57I don't even know, in theory, Andrew wasn't even there when Charlie died. I don't even know why the surgeon even knows this guy, actually.

42:04Maybe he hung around after, but you know, Andrew was not one of the people that got into the hospital or anything like that. So, this is this is quite literally the PR guy who's calling the surgeon and so that that just seems that just seems very inappropriate for a person to do, period. And I would say it was kind of the beginning, but that was that was what I got from that. Now, obviously we discussed the security. I brought up Brian Harpole, this interview with Sean Ryan, and I think we can believe Turning Point when they say that they did not approve of this They had no idea he was going on Sean Ryan. I think

42:39that's pretty clear. I don't I'm under the impression, allegedly, I believe that Brian Harpole and his security team were fired before that Sean Ryan interview ever aired.

42:52I was given information by a source that Harpole was fired after the giant riot broke out at I think it was U Penn, if I remember correctly, like two or three days before that interview.

43:07And Harpole didn't mention anything about that in the interview. He represented himself as though he was TPUSA's guy.

43:14And I don't have confirmation on whether that's true or not, but that would line up with like Erica saying, "We had no idea he was doing that interview."

43:24Yeah, there was like a huge riot outside of a TPUSA event. It got super gnarly.

43:28There was blood drawn, protesters, all sorts of stuff. It was crazy.

43:34if he works there anymore. So, >> Oh, no, it was Berkeley. It was UC Berkeley, I'm pretty sure.

43:40kind of him just getting out there and perhaps trying to rescue his own reputation and I think that that only made his reputation worse, actually, because people rightfully sensed that he wasn't telling the truth in that interview. That he was being cagey, that he was saying things that didn't make any sense.

43:57This is the UC Berkeley event I'm referring to. Violence breaks out at a Turning Point USA event on UC Berkeley campus.

44:10Um September 10th.

44:13No, that was when Duh, that's Charlie being killed.

44:16Uh Monday, November 10th.

44:25Again, you constantly have these people that believe, like Brian Harpole, that with enough performance you can sit down and you're just going to convince people that this is real and this is just a different time. Like I said, these TikTokers are out of control. They will check you in 4 seconds. Okay.

44:41Things that the biggest piece of this that I want to communicate and that I did communicate to them and I hope that they took me um seriously on this or that rather that they that they take my strong advice on this.

44:54Yeah, so the Sean Ryan interview aired on November 17th.

45:01And I got intel at the time from a source inside claiming that Brian Harpole had been fired in the week leading up to this interview.

45:12Possibly in direct response to this absolute disaster at UC Berkeley, but probably in a bigger picture than that. It's hard to say.

45:23I don't know if that's true or not.

45:25That's allegedly.

45:26But that's what I was told.

45:30I said, "One of the reasons why I really want to sit down is cuz I want to walk out of here and feel confident saying to my audience, 'Hey, like there's stuff going on behind the scenes, but Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk.'" I think this part probably got misconstrued a lot.

45:49Probably not by actual viewers cuz actual viewers aren't but I could see how you could clip this and try to make it look that way.

45:58But what she's saying here is the journalistic stance of I'm not trying to create a conspiracy theory. I'm just trying to report on the facts. I would love it if the facts aligned with the narrative that the feds are pushing because that's the world we all want to live in, where the feds are not lying to us every day.

46:17But we know that's not the world we live in.

46:19And so she's saying it would be great if that was the way it is, but that's not the way it is. So, like I'm that more will come out, but you can take it from me that this is what happened. I was looking to achieve that because there's been a lot of singling from various people, some people who are experts, uh some people who have been involved in cases that there's obviously going to be stuff that the public does not have access to. And so it is at least plausible that they have seen very clear footage that we've been asking for of Tyler Robinson getting up there and taking the shot.

46:56Like they have access to UVU cameras.

46:58So, I was hoping to hear that and We know that UVU cameras have footage of that shooter, of whoever that person was on the roof, they have footage of whatever happened on that roof. The whole roof, the whole time.

47:12There's no reason why that camera should have not captured the shot.

47:17So, it's reasonable for Candace to assume that TPUSA might have seen the shot.

47:23That is not the case, apparently. I said that I wanted to hear why people feel so confident at Turning Point USA that Tyler Robinson is the guy.

47:31And at this point they elected to call the lawyer. Like And the lawyer should have told them to shut the up and move on to the next question, honestly.

47:40The lawyer should not have let them say what they said next. You know, their their lawyer who is involved in this case, one of the lawyers that's involved in this case. There's always a team of lawyers, especially for something like this. And what I got from the lawyer did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk. It's not making me feel confident that Charlie that he didn't or did shoot uh Charlie Kirk. I was very surprised by this. He spoke a very long time. I asked, you know, "Can you share with me what it is?" And I said, "When you share this with me, I will not say what that thing is if

48:09that's what we if we want to protect the integrity of the case. I'm not going to if you say, 'We've got the footage of him taking the shot.' I'm I promise I won't say that to the audience." And that's standard practice for a journalist is there are lots of conversations that happen off the record and you have to preserve that. You have to respect on off the record even if it's the most important bombshell of your life, even if it's the most deep gnarly source of your life.

48:33Candace has to protect her sources, even if that source is TPUSA's lawyer, Erica Kirk herself.

48:39But she wouldn't come out and say this.

48:41This is not her lying about what happened. This is her telling you the truth that they didn't try to force her to keep it off the record.

48:49Because there wasn't anything there.

48:51>> that you have something that is solid.

48:53And no, to to the exact contrary, this guy effectively said not effectively, he said that they have nothing like but the affidavit.

49:06Okay. So, what you have what we have seen is what they have. What what is being discussed You are this whole like non-expert problem where like, "Well, you don't know." It's like what you read his messages that don't have any dates on it, Tyler Robinson writing out everything and the clean alibi. That's what they have. And what he explained to me was that that's the affidavit stage.

49:26That's where that's where it's at.

49:30Now, like is there a world where they have more and they're keeping it secret from Candace and they lied to her?

49:35Maybe.

49:38But as a journalist, she's perfectly protected now to claim that because they told her that directly. It's not Candace's fault that they lied to her.

49:47So, it's not like they're going to trap Candace in some legal issue because she's now going to operate on that assumption.

49:53They told her that like this is what we've got. And if that's all they've got, that's crazy, dude.

50:02That they are that certain that they're running this PR, they're running this media off of just the public information.

50:12And they're letting Andrew Colvert come out and lie about the affidavit, well, lie about the autopsy, allegedly.

50:19Lie about the bullet. Lie about the surgeon.

50:22Lie about all sorts of parts of TPUSA.

50:25They're letting Rob McCoy lie about TPUSA all day long.

50:30And they don't have any extra evidence to make them feel certain that it's Kyler Robinson?

50:39And how does that make you feel about Erica Kirk?

50:44Because in my opinion, just my opinion, that's not a very smart lady.

50:52If you see this evidence in your husband's assassination investigation, and you feel so confident based on this evidence that it's a closed case, and that you're not going to ask for any more not to mention you're going to actually go out and engage in propaganda for this investigation?

51:14That's a not smart lady.

51:17Or it's something else.

51:22Right?

51:26I mean, I pray to God that I never marry a woman like that.

51:32That's all I'll say.

51:35If I'm assassinated in the future, I pray to God that I've married a woman that is smarter than that.

51:45And then what takes place now is the investigation is ongoing, right? So, right now they're looking for more information and once investigators they could very well have obviously footage and that is why they might feel that oh, we're definitely going to get this prosecution. But the reality is is they don't actually share that information with the victim. They don't share that information with Erica. They don't in this part of the process, they will not know what in investigators have discovered. This is what the lawyer told me until May.

52:16And yes, we will get to Erica's backstory a little bit more. We're going to watch some of James Lee's reporting on that in just a minute.

52:23>> Okay. They will not they have not seen anything that you have not seen. Is what I want you to know.

52:29So, with that in mind, I'm sitting here going why are you signaling what why are why do I feel like the the public's being gaslit on this? There's been nothing that's convincing. There are so many commentators who have gone out and said to you, "It's overwhelming. The evidence is overwhelming." The text messages that don't have a date, that don't even sound real, that's overwhelming? That to me feels really fake and gay. I really do want to say that to every commentator that is out there trying to tell the public and insisting that if you say it enough times it'll become real, you're you're actually just being dishonest.

53:02And I offer that a more honest way to communicate would be to say, "We think he's involved. We feel strongly I've said that I think he's involved. We are very hopeful that throughout this investi Same.

53:15He's probably involved.

53:18The question is how?

53:20The question is who else?

53:23The question is if it was a frangible round, how did he get it?

53:26How did he even know to use one?

53:29And we'll look at Nate's stuff in a minute about that. gation, we are going to get that concrete thing.

53:33And that's where we're at right now.

53:35That's just the stage that we are at.

53:38That is not what we're getting from them. That is like I just I just feel like that's really important to let you guys know. Let the gaslighting stop.

53:45They have what you have, okay? There is nothing else. They are in an investigative stage. Erica has been named as the victim. They will know more in this May hearing, which is the probable cause hearing. That's what the lawyer told me. It's probable cause hearing and that's when they will see the evidence. That's when they get to present the evidence why they are going to stand there before a judge and be like, "Yeah." Someone in chat just said I semi feel the next next stage is a groper attack.

54:09Oh, it is. And it's already happening.

54:14Maybe that's just Nick's hate.

54:17Maybe that's just Nick's vindictive hatred.

54:23So, we need to move this forward. It's not just an affidavit. We're not putting together scraps. We have concrete evidence.

54:28Until then, okay? Until we all get on the same page and understand what else they have, I am very confident stating the opposite of all of my I guess well-paid peers in that I don't believe that Kyler Robinson pulled the trigger.

54:42Which is I'm the only your lawyers or the investigators rather, not their lawyers cuz they're not the ones investigating. It's the state of Utah that's investigating. They have not called the one solitary person, as I told you guys, who filmed as he was on the roof. Remember the guy that's like, "Oh, there's somebody on the roof." And he sees him crouch down. I said I spoke to that person and his testimony would be devastating to your prosecution. He did not He saw the person on the roof.

55:12He filmed the person on the roof at 10:23 p.m. And he did not see that person take the shot. And this is not some random student. This is a guy who trains people to shoot guns at a range.

55:21He knows guns, okay? He saw He said what he saw was a smaller gun. He said that this person was dressed in black tactical gear and there was no recoil.

55:34Right?

55:37I mean, there's so many pieces to that.

55:40They haven't contacted him?

55:42Who was he in the first place?

55:46Pretty convenient that he's the one that saw the guy, but then he his testimony doesn't line up at all with what we're being told now.

55:56Not at all.

55:59And Candace points out that like you should speak to him because he will blow your case apart. He's like the exact kind of witness that the other team should go and look into. Although apparently they haven't.

56:10Which is also kind of weird.

56:12That's devastating to that would be devastating to the prosecution.

56:20Another really big thing that happened was they brought me Mikey's call logs, okay?

56:27They brought me Mikey's call logs and that is why I said, "This was a productive meeting." There is no other way to say it. I asked every question and they came with paperwork to show and to answer and to explain certain things.

56:39Also, which was I thought actually kind of sweet, that I guess I'm you know, I did on the previous show, I was like kind of looking at things into Mikey and I couldn't find him. And someone said, "I think Mikey's not his like real name." Like they thought it was his middle name, actually. And I just assumed, "Okay, well, maybe he's using his middle name and that's why I can't find him." But Mikey really wants you guys to know that is his real name. And it is his real name. I found out shortly thereafter that they were confusing his middle name with they they thought that it was switched. That it Mike Michael is

57:08his real name. Just to clarify that cuz I realized I actually didn't go back and clarify that.

57:13But Mikey's call logs, big piece of this, okay?

57:17I'm going to I guess jog your memory on what Blake said about Mikey that day and then I'll tell you what actually happened cuz I don't think Blake has that great of a memory, okay? Take a listen.

57:31Chad, I don't know if you guys think that it's even possible that Blake could have this bad of a memory.

57:37To me, this seems like I mean, A, are we going to trust the call logs?

57:42I don't know.

57:43But it's on the record now.

57:46It's on the record.

57:51And they put his wife on the call log.

57:53His wife was on the call logs. His corroboration of everything.

57:58Starting to wonder about all these wives.

58:03But they threw Blake under the bus.

58:06>> imme- or I don't remember being with him. I think I was ahead of him as we left. And then we get out and I run for must have can't have been more than 15 or 20 seconds. And then I realize there hasn't been another shot. So, the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something. Not in immediate danger. I pause. I look around me and I see Mikey. And I see Mikey there. And I'll never truthfully, I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every day for the past 2 years.

58:34I know his personality very well. He's a very bubbly And then he says, "I I need to call Erica." And he then he takes his phone and he begins calling Erica.

58:44And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that this, you know, your mind extends all of this, but that is happening within a minute of all of this occurring. I remember he calls Erica.

58:57I Someone in chat's writing like how everyone's a fed. I don't know if you guys know who Zeb Boykin is. He's an ballistics instructor that did some of the reporting early on in Charlie Kirk about the ballistics. And he had this hilarious live stream about how everyone's a fed. And he was quantifying everyone's fedness. It was the funniest thing ever. I was like, "Dude, where am I at? Where am I at?" He's like puts me on. He's like, "Ian's like a a lower case F fed. He's like up here." And he was just like, "Based upon your audience that you capture and your your affiliation with various parties and

59:26like how controlled your narrative is."

59:28It was hilarious. And it was a great it was a great uh explanation of the nuances of controlled media spaces and of the new media environment and just how you have to operate mentally.

59:40Um, and sort of have a little bit of suspicion about everyone while also kind of taking the piss out of it and just making making it a bit of a joke, too, because in a way it's like you can't take it too seriously because you'll never really know, um, unfortunately in this media environment.

59:55And so you shouldn't trust anyone and you should just think very carefully.

59:59Yeah, the fadameter. It was a funny episode. Around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say Mom, there's been a a shooting.

60:07You're going to see it on the news. I'm okay. You know, pray for me. I've got to go. And I remember that call.

60:13And around the time I I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad. He calls Robin McCoy.

60:19And he says, "Dad, someone shot Charlie.

60:22You need to call all of your pastor friends. Charlie was hit. We need everyone to pray right now."

60:27And that's what he told him.

60:32Okay, so that's just not right. And so when he says I might be imagining this for I'll never forget followed by I might be imagining this probably means that maybe you forgot and like you really could be imagining. Now, for me personally, I think the normal physiological response in these high adrenaline situations for most people is you lock in. Like they're really your body Not Blake. Erica, he was we were told this by many people. Also that he was he trained like like how he almost like went to to a camp and trained and Charlie was like one, two, three, go and like fast. One, two, three, go. Go. Go. That's why he

61:04walked away. One, two, three, go. And just told him this [clears throat] is what the first thing you [laughter] do is.

61:07>> Blake denying it. Blake denying speed.

61:09Actually, the first person he called was his wife.

61:12He called Elizabeth McCoy. Um, and then he stayed on the phone with his wife for 10 minutes.

61:19And during those 10 minutes he three-wayed Erica 3 minutes after the shot went off. And then he three-ways his father and then he three-ways a third person and who I am not interested in mentioning cuz it's not relevant.

61:34Right?

61:40Why all the caginess?

61:43Why did we get a whole bunch of different stories?

61:47Why were they so afraid to reveal this?

61:52Why did they try if this was the call?

61:56Why did they need to trot Blake Neff out to explain it?

62:00Wrong. To lie about it. Why not just have Mikey come out and say this?

62:06Why not bring Mikey's wife out to explain it and corroborate it? That would have been the easiest thing ever.

62:14Right?

62:16And so I'm still very suspicious of these call logs.

62:21Is this the exact text form that it came in cuz this doesn't exactly look like Candace's usual text format?

62:28But maybe this is Candace's resynthesis of them.

62:33Um, because this doesn't look like the kind of thing you would get from Verizon.

62:44Right?

62:47And so this is where just getting them on record saying things is really valuable.

62:54Really valuable. Um, I'd be I'd be curious. I might try to ask Candace and her team if the what format the call logs were shown to them in, if it looked like it came from the phone company or from any official source or if it was just typed out in like a Google document or something.

63:10Because this just adds more questions.

63:19For so first off, we are now to believe that when Mikey did this and walked away like this, he wasn't on the phone already. He didn't call her until a minute after.

63:32Maybe.

63:35Even though when he goes behind the tent both hands are going to his ears. And then when he walks out from behind the tent one hand is at his ear and the other hand is not.

63:45Already in that moment.

63:48Doesn't really look like how you would plug your ears to me.

63:53But then a minute later apparently he's making a phone call to his wife.

63:59Maybe as he's walking away from the SUV in the background in the images that we have of him.

64:06The caginess is suspicious. This is Danny McCoy by the way is his brother that's in the military, but that's before the shot goes Piers Morgan asked her directly and she said just print it out on paper, but didn't specify.

64:19Yep.

64:21That that tracks. off.

64:23Charlie Kirk shot goes off.

64:25You know, So, um, yeah, the call logs sus in every direction.

64:31Back to this Hampton's retreat.

64:33I I There's so many clips. There are so many clips. I like, right? Remember, the narrative was that after Candace's Tuesday show that she had sold out and that she didn't offer any information and oh my gosh, I've given up faith. Oh my gosh, I used to be a candy and now I'm not. Like, what?

64:55I mean, first off for me, I I don't buy everything that Candace says. I don't just take it as gospel truth. I just see it as reporting and I treat it like everyone else's reporting and I just watch what she says and I try to corroborate it for myself and I see how it plays out and I know her track record.

65:09And based on her track record, I'm not inclined to call her a liar before I see undeniable proof of such.

65:18Right? And I think that's probably how a lot of people feel about her reporting.

65:25And so when I went back through this episode, when I was clipping all of this to go through it, it's like to me the response on Tuesday and Wednesday feels very manufactured. It feels very fake and gay.

65:37And you should just keep an eye out for these sorts of things. These sorts of tactics.

65:41The flooding of the zone.

65:44Certainly she could be deceived.

65:46Certainly she could be.

65:48And we're looking for evidence that that's happened.

65:50And if she is being deceived by a complex malicious actor that is giving her false information that's corroborated but but still misleading, just that is suspicious as well.

66:01Is Tyler Robinson deceiving her?

66:04Or is someone else deceiving her?

66:06Because if it's not Tyler Robinson and other people are intentionally trying to deceive Candace Owens around this case, ask yourself why and who.

66:19Right? And I communicated this with them.

66:22That makes me so, um, uncomfortable is how many little lies were told.

66:29I think I've been talking about that.

66:31Like Seth Dillon definitely pressed Charlie at this >> This part is big. whether it was in a hypothetical, which it was in a hypothetical, what but he got fired up in the hypothetical of Charlie discussing potentially tweeting something against Bibi Netanyahu. It did lead to this firecracker moment. Again, this is one of those things where I go, "Why am I always being held out to dry like hung out to dry for telling people the truth, especially when I wasn't going oh, well Seth Dillon killed Charlie Kirk. I just like this happened.

66:59It factually happened and yet everybody's kind of putting out these weird statements and they're not being honest in them and I was saying to them that made me feel really weird. And I would love to know more and about this Bibi Netanyahu offer to fund Turning Point to the next level.

67:17At which point Erica said she was not aware of that happening. It is obviously totally possible that that was kept in the business lane of Turning Point USA.

67:27But I'm certain. I said I am absolutely certain that I did not get this from an obscure source that Bibi offered to fund Turning Point to the next level and it was part of my frustration with that sit down with Alex Clark where Andrew said oh, there was not a $150 million that's made up.

67:46You know, I told them Andrew Kolbe was my source.

67:49Andrew Kolbe told me.

67:54That's huge.

67:56That's crazy. That's the thing is that she has all these receipts from people like Andrew Kolbe who she's actually been protecting as the source of that information.

68:04The fact that Andrew Kolbe told her that changes the whole nature of that story.

68:12And then TPUSA just sits by while everyone that they own is shilling about how Candace lied about that?

68:20And then she said that Andrew Kolbe was pissed because he stood to gain a lot from that going to the next level.

68:27No, that's a lie. Even though Andrew Kolbe is the one that told her about the deal in the first place.

68:33Right? If Andrew Kolbe doesn't get fired, there's something weird going on.

68:38Right? How could you not fire Andrew at this point?

68:42How could you not fire Andrew 3 days ago?

68:45Let alone a month ago.

68:48Right?

68:49for me to say that that Bibi Netanyahu offered to take Turning Point to the next level and that Charlie turned that money down.

68:55So, Like so then what was Andrew thinking? Was he thinking that when he leaked that to her early on, he didn't realize how it come back around? But at the time was the idea that he was trying to lead her off the train of Israel and think about other things because Charlie turned him down cuz Andrew Kolbe is that dense to think that that's not relevant?

69:18Right?

69:20So it's very complex what we do and don't know. We don't know like maybe Andrew Kolbe is just being a dumbass.

69:25Maybe he's just looking out for his own skin. Maybe he's trying to legitimately investigate it and is just not very good at this.

69:34Or maybe he's involved in any number of elements of cover-up, conspiracy, or whatever. I don't know.

69:43But no matter what Andrew Kolb is up to, he needs to be fired.

69:50Yesterday.

69:52Andrew is family, so he's not going to get fired.

69:55Everyone at TPUSA is family, apparently.

69:58Except for Rob McCoy. He's out.

70:01that guy. Charlie's pastor? Yeah, right. Get kick rocks, Rob McCoy. You never even worked for us in any capacity.

70:10Go edit your Wikipedia page back.

70:12I said there's a bit of a predicament when I'm being like lambasted by all of these voices and people that are attacking me and these paid campaigns.

70:21And when I say paid, yes, okay, actually have of people. Different ways are being paid, some are being paid by PR firms.

70:29Too many are being paid by Prager University, which is upsetting to me.

70:35Why would that be happening?

70:37Why would Prager University be paying influencers to shut down and obfuscate and lie about Candace's reporting about Israel's involvement here?

70:50How weird.

70:52Marissa Strait, I wonder if you could comment on that.

70:57Ms. Strait, any comment on why PragerU would be having influencers do such things allegedly?

71:06That's weird. Cuz I know Marissa and it's just dirty. But it it's it's especially crazy when people are calling it a conspiracy when I share things that are told to me from the spokesperson of Turning Point USA.

71:21Okay? That's weird. And yes, they were forthcoming. Nobody's ever denied this, so this was not on our list of lies about the fact that BB Netanyahu did call him, okay? That did happen. BB shared that, by the way. Our source for that could have just as well been BB Netanyahu.

71:36Uh and not a lot of clarity on I don't know why if some people think he didn't make this offer and why definitively three different sources who would have knowledge of this confirmed to me that BB Netanyahu did indeed make this offer. I never said off That's a lot of sources.

71:56Andrew Kolb himself plus three other sources, that's a lot of sources.

72:03And that detail is so important.

72:06That BB offered to take Turning Point to the next level and Charlie turned him down, that is hugely important.

72:16And the denials of it are just as important.

72:19The lies to say that that never happened.

72:24Look at who Look at who said that.

72:28$150 million ever, not once on the show.

72:31I wouldn't have even said that, by the way.

72:33Take Turning Point to the next level. I actually would have assumed it was more, if I'm being honest.

72:39Dropping shade.

72:42Ooh, BB, that's all you can muster? Just 150 millies?

72:47That's all you got, BB?

72:50Is that an Israeli next level, bro? I I thought that we were better than that, BB. Come on. What, are you getting poor?

72:57Shabbat shalom, ain't what it used to be, dog.

73:01Come on.

73:04Yeah, GG comes up and she's like, yeah, that's That's That's like that's a that's a hefty offer and it leads to a lot of questions, so GG, go lie down.

73:14Go.

73:22Run out of liver treats today.

73:33Yeah, GG in the chat. GG in the chat.

73:36There was not a lot of clarity there.

73:39Lastly, I want to add, of course, I was locked in this meeting when people odd lie were another round of debunking the Egyptian planes. I want to be very clear. We discussed the Egyptian planes and I have since worked on an incredible document about the Egyptian planes, which we are going to put up on our websites because I realized that when we sent that when we I've been looking for this document. I want this document to come out real bad. I've got my own documents about the Egyptian planes.

74:07I've got my own analysis of the public flight data.

74:11Um I want to see her analysis of it. I want to see what other stuff she's added to it.

74:19I got all kinds of questions about these Egyptian planes, regardless of whether or not they were tracking Erica Kirk.

74:26Honestly, the Egyptian planes tracking Erica Kirk, super suspicious.

74:30Tucker's uh assertion that he was told by a reputable source that that's true.

74:37Even without that, I'm still suspicious of them.

74:41The more I look at Egyptian airspace, the more suspicious of them I get.

74:46shared that spreadsheet. People assumed And obviously, in the next show that we're going to watch clips from here, she adds more to this.

74:53that one of the columns, which was actually saying where the planes landed on that day, cuz it was plus or minus 3 days, was exactly where Erica had been on that day, and that was inaccurate.

75:03And so, for clarity, I had been working on the last week on turning it into an interactive timeline that we can put up on our website cuz I'm certain >> Let's party.

75:10>> planes are incredibly shady >> Let's party.

75:12>> in fact tracking Turning Point USA Faith Broader events. Of course, Erica was at some of them, Charlie was at some of them, but it is the the pattern here is undeniable. So, let the name Pastor Rob McCoy was at some of them. sayers and people make videos trying to What are we, fifth round debunk these planes? I also want to say to you that I feel very confident that I know why these planes have caused [snorts] such panic and it is because there is Oh, I forgot. It was actually in this episode that she says this part.

75:42overwhelming evidence that these planes regularly fly in and out of Israel.

75:48And I I'm going to present that evidence tomorrow evidence tomorrow. I say that strongly. This is the Like I feel very confident saying these Egyptian planes are flying in and out.

75:56And notice I'm saying planes because I have received some information to suggest that and I've been trying to corroborate it myself. I don't know what information she's got. Uh I think she was released a little bit more about it yesterday, the day [snorts] after this episode, but I still I want more information. I want proof. I want I want a DOJ investigation.

76:17I want government investigation and data about this. Once I was able to connect people that were on those planes onto other Egyptian planes, I was able to realize that these planes are flying in and out of Israel.

76:30And turning their transponder off each time that they do it. That is now makes perfect sense of why there was this mass panic, right? It's not exactly like we have a strong Egyptian lobby in the United States. Now, whoa, well, those darn Egyptians again are trying to get TikTok censored. I I mean, every person in the game, Barry, acting. Well, these are the usual suspects that act if something is a threat to Israel, okay?

76:52Which is they should have just been forthcoming, pretended that it was changing a part. Instead, they're trying to gaslight us and The thing is, if they'd been pretending it was changing a part, they still would have had a lot of explaining to do because we carefully analyze the flight patterns of these Egyptian planes and they just don't line up with maintenance, even though there is a Dassault maintenance facility in the area.

77:16It just doesn't line up. It's weird.

77:20I like I can't come up with any logical explanation. I'm not an expert. Maybe someone can explain it in a way that it makes sense.

77:28But those flight patterns of those Egyptian planes this year and last year are super weird.

77:34are actually frankly just pissing me off, so I became locked in on these Egyptian planes because that's how I am, okay? You keep pushing me and keep pushing me, I will become an expert on these planes. I'll learn how to build an Egyptian plane.

77:47The reality is, like I said, tomorrow I will show you how these planes tie back to Israel.

77:53And And there's there's no there's no disproving this, so.

77:58Uh more on that later. We'll be Yeah, I have I mean, I've got some pretty solid sourcing to make me believe that, aside from this, aside from Candace, and aside from my own investigation.

78:11But it's the kind of thing that's so hard to prove with public information that um I'm just I'm trying. I'm trying hard because I I agree that the Egyptian planes are so important.

78:23Uh we might have already seen this clip.

78:25Next up, that quotation continues.

78:28HIPAA compliant >> Oh, no. Okay.

78:30>> real is like the man of steel. So, we're on to yesterday's show now. When uh Wednesday's show. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him, too.

78:41And that seems strange for a lot of reasons. First off, HIPAA compliance, why would he speak to Andrew Kolb? Also, did Andrew Kolb record it? It's a pretty long quotation. Why is it in quotations?

78:51Did he remember that verbatim?

78:55And I can tell you that it's kind of been a mess since. This is kind of the beginning of everything, right? If we're being honest, that one solitary tweet was the beginning of the what I would call federal mask slip. It feels like they have been feeding us slop ever since. Well, Yeah. I now feel comfortable revealing some more information for you, some that I have held on to, but which I the people who gave this to me are are insisting that I reveal. Simply put, and I'm going to say allegedly here only because I did not speak directly to Dr.

79:28Lee Trotter.

79:30But apparently the people that told her this are now insisting that she reveal it.

79:35So, kind of implies that they're close friends of his or family or something.

79:40Cuz they're trying to clear his name sort of.

79:43But I very much have verified and trust the source.

79:46Uh simply put, never once did Dr. Lee Trotter say that Charlie's neck was stopped uh Charlie's neck stopped a .30-06 bullet.

79:56And if you've seen Baron's reporting about Dr. Lee Trotter and his planes and everything, people were starting to get a little suspicious of Dr. Lee Trotter.

80:07Of Dr. Lee DuPont Trotter.

80:12I mean, Dr. Trotter's an interesting character, it sure looks like.

80:17And yeah, I'm not sure if we're now protecting the surgeon or if the surgeon actually never said that. I don't know what's going on with the surgeon.

80:28But I have questions all over this autopsy.

80:31Every direction of this autopsy we have questions. Yeah, he speaks five languages allegedly based upon whatever that profile was.

80:38He has multiple planes in different companies, one of which is a bush plane so he can land anywhere that he keeps the flight data very carefully private for.

80:52That's weird.

80:54It's actually hugely embarrassing >> likes aviation.

80:57>> to for any surgeon to have said something like that. It's hugely embarrassing also because we're being told that like, you know, If you're not up-to-date on your JFK lore, controlling the surgeons, the autopsies, the coroners is old standard practice.

81:14Very, very useful in these kinds of situations.

81:19He's violating HIPAA to get this information out there in this very high-stress situation. You're actually accusing him of being not a professional on top of also kind of being an idiot.

81:29And you can imagine that that's put a lot of undue stress on the surgeon's family as many of them have been wrongly implicated in a cover-up.

81:38Like the absurdity of such a narrative.

81:40If you're going to put something out there, there's going to be flak that comes upon the surgeon, the other doctors. Yep.

81:46And it's understandable. It's understandable that people would be suspicious. Now, we don't have any we don't have any evidence that the surgeon is involved in a crime here.

81:55We certainly don't have any reason to harass Dr. Trotter or his family members. I condemn that. Don't do that.

82:02But like, we have every reason to ask questions.

82:05We have every reason to try to get to the bottom of this.

82:08And just because I mean, A, when he said that allegedly said man of steel or whatever, we don't have any reason to believe that that statement was true.

82:18And now that we've been told he never said that, we also still don't really have a lot of reason to believe that he also never said it.

82:25Because at this point it could be both.

82:27It could be that he very much was okay with that statement going out whether it was true or said or not.

82:34And it could be that now it's like, no, sorry, we're going to protect me and we're going to pretend and we're going to I never said that. I don't know.

82:42At this point it's all he said, she saids from a bunch of liars.

82:48So, unfortunately, suspicion has to remain on all of them.

82:54Nurse says, are you involved? Did you try to get Charlie Kirk killed? Were you involved in this in staging this? Why would you say that he ate healthy?

83:01Right? And there's no doctor or surgeon that would say something like that. So, to restate that, the quotation that Andrew Kolb shared on his X feed is not a direct quotation from the surgeon like at all.

83:14Rather, what I was told is that what the surgeon communicated very clearly to Andrew. And yes, it is absolutely true that the surgeon, Dr. Lee Trotter, hunts, so he does have experience with bullets. What he communicated is that it was likely a frangible bullet that was used. Now, for those of you who don't hunt, maybe don't shoot, and you're not familiar with that term, Nate Valhalla VFT's ears just went Excuse me?

83:46And we're going to watch some of Nate's clips here in just a second. Frangible bullet, what's a frangible bullet? That refers to a specialized ammunition that is designed to disintegrate into powder upon impact.

84:02Yeah.

84:04So, Nate watches this. That is designed to disintegrate into powder upon impact.

84:13Okay. So, >> [laughter] >> super convenient. Again, all of a sudden, 3 months later, the surgeon comes out and says, no, no, no, that's all lies. He never said that. It's it was a frangible round. Which again, immediately makes the entire narrative work.

84:33It does.

84:35And I will show Super convenient, right?

84:37And that's why I'm saying that I don't necessarily believe either of these statements. I don't necessarily believe that he didn't say it.

84:44And I don't necessarily believe that he said this now.

84:47Because it's almost like they're watching this bullet narrative fall apart and we've brought a lot of attention to the bullet narrative lately in a very public forum.

84:56Gotten a lot of heat over pointing out that the bullet doesn't make any sense.

85:02And now conveniently, suddenly the bullet is exactly the type of bullet that all the experts have been saying from the start, this is the only type of round that could possibly make sense with what we have on video.

85:17who you.

85:18I put this video out and I it explains a little bit of it.

85:23Uh oh, let me go back.

85:24I put this video out when did I put this out? 2 months ago?

85:29And I said this exact thing.

85:32I said Yeah, you have to excuse Candace's descriptions. She's not a gun person. She says turned to powder. You know what she mean like you know what a frangible round does. Nate knows what a frangible round does. She was just using her layman understanding to explain, you know, the basics of it.

85:48Frangible round makes perfect sense.

85:50This is exactly what you would expect.

85:52However, we're going to get into the actual anatomy part of this of why the frangible round just didn't work.

86:01Uh here we go.

86:05So, if you didn't see this video that I did, I went through a ton of different types of .30-06 rounds trying to figure out what's the potential of one of these rounds actually being used that would hit Charlie, create no exit wound, and then but also create that narrative that TPUSA told us, right? That it came in, hit the C2, tracked down, blew through six vertebrae, and an entire bullet lodged in the neck.

86:32Okay.

86:33TPUSA execs found Ian because of Candace and Nate and Baron because of Ian just like the rest of us. You're probably right.

86:41You're probably right.

86:44So again, to my point, frangible round is designed to not penetrate through, specifically designed to not penetrate through and we'll explain why. Well, uh ox o o x boot.

86:57So, we are to believe he only had one frangible round because the other rounds weren't or didn't appear to be. We don't know that because they haven't shown us any photos of the other rounds, which is very suspicious.

87:07Cuz the rounds were apparently engraved with slang.

87:13And then, they were just sharpied with, you know, internet ideology.

87:20I shouldn't say the T-word. YouTube will get mad at me for the T-word.

87:24And then, we still don't have photos of them.

87:28But allegedly, Tyler Robinson was drawing his little ooh oohs on there.

87:35And there's unspent rounds in the cartri- in the clip. And there's still the casing of the first round that was fired in the rifle.

87:45And that had better all be frangible rounds then if this is what we're being told.

87:55Right?

87:58And every other shooting where there's been a transgender individual engraving their car- casings, you know what they did first thing? They published photos of the casings right away.

88:10Every time.

88:12Right?

88:14This is the only time that they have not published photos of the bullets despite playing out this whole trans slang stuff to try to stoke this leftist ideology narrative.

88:30Is that not weird to you?

88:32Do you not smell the from a mile away there?

88:38Because they need to sell the leftist narrative, so they need to tell you that this really identifiable marker that we've seen in all these totally normal shootings where they've shown us the bullets with the engraved casings, the drawn-on symbols, all the crazy scribblings in the notebooks, just so that way you know for sure it was this leftist trans guy who's not actually trans.

89:03>> [snorts] >> But then they aren't going to show us these ones.

89:06No photos at all. Just trust us, bro.

89:09Because we need the right to hate the left and we need the left to hate the right. And we need you to not ask any questions about foreign involvement in the most significant political assassination in your lifetime.

89:23Awfully convenient.

89:26Awfully fake and gay.

89:28Once we watch this, okay?

89:30But uh here I explained it in this video 2 months ago. round that would have just literally blown right through Charlie's neck. But now that we've kind of got past those standard hunting rounds, now we're going to get into some niche rounds where there may be a possibility to create no exit wound. Let's check this out. All right, so the frangible round as it says here, a high density frangible bullet has tremendous centrifugal force when entering the animal and upon penetration Also guys, for everybody who this was 2 months ago, remember? 2 months ago I just told you. For everybody who's saying yeah, it's it's so easy to find.

90:02What's this say right here?

90:05What's this say right here? That's going to be a common thing once we start looking for these rounds.

90:10Oh, look at that, out of stock.

90:12Yeah, they're super common. Anyway, let's keep moving.

90:15the core turns into powder in its original composition. So essentially what frangible rounds are designed to do is once they enter and they impact something very very hard, they basically are just going to disintegrate, right? The idea behind that is let's say you're going to go out target shooting and you're shooting steel and you And it's important to hear the explanation about this from someone like Nate because understanding what frangible rounds are usually used for and understanding why they're pretty rare and kind of hard to get your hands on. They're not impossible to get your hands on,

90:47obviously. Nate is very clear about that. But understanding what they're for and why Tyler Robinson probably didn't have them, probably didn't even really know about them.

90:57Probably.

90:58It's important. Don't want to be those >> bullets flying off the steel maybe different directions or towards your neighbor's house, whatever. That round when it hits that steel it's just going to disintegrate into nothing, which would kind of be the idea if it hit something really hard like hard bone.

91:14Yeah, if you bought them online, we receipts.

91:18Right?

91:21I mean everything's traced.

91:24Okay. It potentially wouldn't create any exit wound. So I might think oh, there it is. We solved it. It was a frangible round. But what's the problem with the frangible round idea? Well, it's this.

91:34All right, here's where the frangible round theory kind of gets thrown out with the bathwater and that's of course because of Turning Point USA who's put out this information that a bullet was found that came in according to Again, Turning Point USA who I would assume is going to lie about this. We were wrong about that, huh boys? It's only 2.

91:52>> tracked, crashed through all of these vertebrae and then lodged into the body here and that bullet was completely found here. Well, like we just saw on the description of the ammo, the frangible round is designed to essentially disintegrate when it hits something hard. What a frangible round is not going to do is hit hit this neck vertebrae, blast through six more vertebrae all the way down here and then just be fully intact.

92:18It would have already disintegrated essentially into the body or fragmented all over the place.

92:24In another clip on the show that I don't think we have clipped, Nate does go over how if the frangible round were to hit him in the middle of the neck, the cavitation of the round could well have damaged all of those vertebrae the way that we were told that they were damaged. That's possible.

92:38Um but he he Nate is Nate is rightly very suspicious of this narrative and how convenient it is.

92:45So if it is true that this round again hit hit a neck and crashed through a bunch of bone and the whole thing lodged completely intact inside Charlie's body, it could not have been a frangible round.

92:56Okay.

92:56So this would mean that we were being lied to by TPUSA directly, Andrew Colberg, who leaked all this information about the autopsy to people like Steven Gardner and probably Brandon Tatum and told us that the bullet was found.

93:12A fragment of the bullet was found lodged down by T1.

93:16That's a lie.

93:18And it's a lie that seemed convenient at the time because at the time we were asking where's the bullet?

93:24At the time we were saying there's no exit wound. Where's the If there's no exit wound, is the bullet still inside of him? And suddenly a story is produced from inside the depths of TPUSA saying oh yeah, there's a bullet. Don't worry, we found it inside of him.

93:38But now that that story's not so convenient cuz we're all noticing that a .30-06 is not going to lodge inside of him. It's going to go straight through his neck.

93:47Now it's a frangible round.

93:50It's a magic bullet.

93:52Basically.

93:53And just trust the science. Don't ask too many questions.

93:57>> [snorts] >> Or you might have to get kicked off the internet.

94:04Steven Gardner came on my channel and explained to us can Andrew Colberg told him directly the bullet Do you guys remember? I could pull the clip up if we have to. The round came in at the C2 blew through six vertebrae and the entire round lodged in the T1. We saw Andrew Colberg say it. We saw Steven Gardner say it. We saw Officer Tatum say it. Everybody said it. That was the narrative and they've seen the medical report, right?

94:31So now all of a sudden 3 months later like we we're just like oh yeah, duh.

94:41It's the one thing that explains the entire story.

94:44The irony of the Valhalla brand of Valhalla being his brand name and Cash's Valhalla comments is pretty funny.

94:52Okay.

94:54I don't have a problem with it.

94:55>> [snorts] >> We honestly also we don't know what the true at this point, right? Did this did the surgeon actually say this?

95:01Did the surgeon say that he thought it was a frangible round? Like Again, I'm going to assume Andrew Colberg was not told that by the surgeon.

95:10Because the story never made sense.

95:13Now the surgeon's saying he never said that.

95:17You'd have to uh >> [snorts] >> And we're what what do we think? Why I don't know, chat. What This is what's like got me trying to figure things out.

95:29Why would Andrew Colberg make that up?

95:31He did obviously make that up. We know that now.

95:35But why would he make that up? He made that up early.

95:38Because at the time that was when we had just learned there was no exit wound.

95:45And so the world needed a narrative of where the bullet went.

95:48And suddenly TPUSA insiders start coming out talking about the autopsy that was leaked to them by we now know Andrew Colberg saying that the bullet hit his spine and deflected it like 80 degrees and then went down his spine and broke up and lodged down by his T1 allegedly.

96:11Voila! You have an answer.

96:13See how transparent TPUSA is?

96:17Very convenient timing at the time.

96:19But now it's a little inconvenient unfortunately.

96:25came out and said that and that changed everything.

96:28Cuz everyone's been operating under the assumption of that medical examiner's report.

96:36Right? Why would TPUSA come out and lie about that?

96:41Does anybody anybody have any good ideas? I don't have a good idea yet. I'm trying to wrap my head around that.

96:46Cuz it would seem like you would want to come out and say now what they're saying, right? Hey, there's no exit wound because the doctor thinks it was it was a frangible round.

97:01Great.

97:02Cool. Now now If they'd said that from the start, we might not be here now.

97:09If they'd said that from the start, there might not have been nearly as much movement in military circles to question this whole narrative. And without the movement in military circles to question the narrative and to start firing .30-06 rounds at dummies and to start giving their perspective on how this this narrative doesn't make sense, this alleged autopsy doesn't make sense, this man of steel doesn't make sense.

97:32I mean, we would still be here.

97:33Candace would certainly still be there.

97:35But there'd be way less smoke coming out of this fire.

97:40We're getting somewhere.

97:42Now the story makes sense.

97:44But now that you did that 3 and 1/2 months later out of nowhere and Andrew Colberg has been lying this whole time.

97:52>> [snorts] >> What are we supposed to think? Now what's true? And again I'm not even saying I believe this.

98:00Because it's so convenient.

98:04Like and it's the one thing. It's the one bullet that of course makes it work.

98:08The frangible round. Perfect, got it. No exit Beach Vizsla, I've not shot frangible rounds. I couldn't tell you what I don't know the ballistics of frangible rounds.

98:16I couldn't tell you what kind of fragments they might leave in a body.

98:19Um there's a few people in chat that seem to know frangible rounds. Maybe they can answer you. Um but I'm sure we'll get Nate to tell us more about them and I hope that we can get Nate to go and actually shoot some into some ballistic gel.

98:28Um we'll see.

98:32wound fragments out of the body.

98:35But now I want to see the autopsy report.

98:40Show me the autopsy report. Because if there's a full bullet sitting there in Charlie's T1 that ain't a frangible round.

99:08Let's look it up.

99:12Is it .223 51 grain frangible?

99:16Boom.

99:19And again, this didn't hit anything hard.

99:22Other than it just hit the ballistic gel.

99:25So this would be if it just hit flesh, no bone.

99:32Ballistic gel shots are so crazy to watch.

99:35They are so trippy.

99:37High-speed ballistic gel shots.

99:40See what I want to see is I want to see an impact inside of ballistic gel with a hard object inside of it.

99:48Which is a much more specialized test.

99:52Cuz this is the kind of fragmentation you get just hitting flesh-like substance, ballistic gel.

100:11Well, that's an old-school video, 16 years ago.

100:16Dang.

100:18I'm hesitant to just play random ones because I don't want um I don't want to accidentally play like wicked gun content.

100:39Or content with music that's going to be copyright.

100:46non-expanding >> [music] >> round was Yeah, music.

100:51But I think they're going to visualize it for you.

100:59Oh, this is non-expanding defense ammunition. I'm just getting sidetracked over here.

101:04My bad. My bad.

101:07We'll watch one more.

101:12Music.

101:20But see, this is simulation.

101:24This isn't I mean, some of it looks like real footage. Yeah, real footage.

101:38With their music. But see, it turns into like powder essentially.

101:44So I don't know, maybe there still could be fragments found in Charlie's body.

101:48Nate doesn't seem to represent it that way.

101:51I'm not the expert.

101:53Um who knows?

101:56Who knows?

102:02I mean, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm still under the impression that a .30-06 frangible round is still going to leave massive damage inside of Charlie's neck.

102:12And might still exit. I don't know.

102:16Cuz at a 9° angle and 9° offset um Chris Martenson showed pretty clearly that there's actually not a lot of reason to believe that it would even hit the spine.

102:26And actually, some of the shills on the other side were like like Jean Jean-François Gariépy that was like shilling the the trampoline neck theory that Nick Fuentes was parroting.

102:38He said, "Yeah, yeah, Chris Martenson has the exact right trajectory. That's an exact line. It didn't even hit his spine. It went and hit the back of his neck and then trampolined back into his spine." Which is so One more VFT clip. Great. The other thing, guys Oh no, two more. I got one more queued up.

102:59>> What about those rounds the FBI found?

103:02Remember those? Because he supposedly took the shot didn't even eject an uh shell casing and when they found the gun, they found a shell casing in the gun and they found three extra rounds. Remember the the rounds that were supposed to be engraved on?

103:18And [snorts] then later they were actually sharpied on?

103:21Yep. Yeah, we remember.

103:23>> Show us those rounds.

103:24We'll We'll be able to tell exactly what they are.

103:29Pretty straightforward. They don't exist. Those pictures don't exist.

103:34>> [clears throat] >> Um so where the are they?

103:38Cuz that could tell us right away, "Oh, that's a frangible round."

103:40But if if what you have in the evidence is a full metal jacket round or even some austere weird .22 accelerator round or whatever people want to Again, people want to think that these rounds are super common.

103:52Well, show us that.

103:54Cuz now the official narrative is Charlie was shot by Tyler Robinson, and this is what we're going to get into next with a frangible .30-06 round.

104:07Now, I want to bring this up because again, people are in chat are going to try to tell you, "Oh, they're super common." Like again, I just showed you 2 months ago when I did that video, out of stock. We can We can look at right now.

104:19Okay. Can you find one?

104:20>> Sure, if you dig hard enough. Most of the time what you're going to find is the actual uh bullet itself that you got to do manual reloads in for. It's hard to find like actual real frangible rounds. And let me explain the reason why, okay? And why they're rare for the for the general public. This is why we love having experts to explain things that you might not realize, you might not know, you might not have the context on. I wouldn't have had the context on this. Okay. .30-06 for the general public is used for what?

104:46Hunting big game. That's what the rifle is designed You can hear my screenshot noises uh as I was tracking planes while grabbing this screen recording over here. I'm like doing three things at once and my screenshot noises are in the video.

105:00to do. The reason why it's probably the most overall popular big game hunting rifle, you know, uh deer, elk, moose other than maybe a .270 is that it's so powerful and its and its ability to pass through and puncture through is so strong that's why you want to use it. So for the people who tell you, "Oh, once once a round hits a bone oh, it just it just it just blows into a million pieces and nothing happens."

105:26That's not true for a .30-06 round specifically because a .30-06 round is designed to blow through bone. Why?

105:33Because if you want to kill something like a moose and you shoot it in the side if the bullet just blows Which is by the way where you're supposed to shoot big game.

105:45You don't aim for the head when you're hunting.

105:47You aim for like that heart quadrant.

105:50Right?

105:51into 100 pieces when it hits the rib, it's not going to pass through and hit the lungs and hit the heart and cause all the damage you need to cause to kill that big animal.

106:02So that's why a .30-06 is so popular for hunting.

106:06Okay? And you want a powerful round.

106:09Right? It's going to a soft point round most of the time for hunting that's going to expand wide and create a ton of damage and blow through that animal.

106:17So Yeah, that's fair. You'll take a head shot if you get a head shot.

106:21>> What's not used for hunting?

106:22Right? You don't [snorts] want If I'm going to shoot a moose and I have with a frangible round, it's going to hit that rib and it's going to disintegrate.

106:29It's not going to kill the animal.

106:31So it's not a it's not a common popular round because you don't use it for hunting.

106:36What you do use it for and where you see it far more often is for law enforcement.

106:42Okay? Law enforcement snipers.

106:44And the reason for that is you want a round that once it hits something is going to disintegrate. It's not going to pass through. Okay? Same idea with like a pistol and hollow point rounds.

106:53You don't want it to pass through that person, pass through a wall, and kill some kid three houses down.

107:00That's why law enforcement's using frangible rounds, okay? For their snipers.

107:05Yeah. So W- Why would And here's when I'm going to start to Let's Let's wrap wrap our brains around this. Tyler Robinson.

107:13Uh profile. Character profile. 20 4.0 GPA.

107:18Near perfect score on the ACT.

107:21Just wanted to throw that in there.

107:222-year-old kid.

107:24Hobbies are Magic: The Gathering and video games. Let's say Hey, I played Magic: The Gathering growing up.

107:31Nate throwing shade. Nate throwing shade on the nerds.

107:35He [snorts] He nerds the ammo out of grandpa's basement.

107:39Uh what And to be fair, I wouldn't have known how to get a frangible round, so point proven. Why the does grandpa have frangible rounds?

107:47Let's say, and this is hypothetically that's where he got them.

107:51Where did grandpa frangible rounds? I'm assuming grandpa used the gun to hunt like every grandpa.

107:57Why would grandpa even have for frangible rounds?

108:00Okay? That doesn't make any sense.

108:02And then Tyler Robinson. Why would Tyler Robinson go out of his way to specifically And again I And I looked around town. I looked at every gun store around town when I was going to go do my ballistics test cuz I wanted to find some frangible rounds just to do the testing for it. Bingo.

108:18Zero places sold them.

108:19Try to find them online, very very difficult. Couldn't get my hands on.

108:23So why would Tyler Robinson spend all this time again, 22-year-old kid Hobbies are video games Magic: The Gathering. Barely's ever hunted or used firearms. Why is he trying to track down .30-06 frangible rounds on some austere weird website when he could just buy full metal jacket rounds from Walmart?

108:46None of that makes sense. When his goal is to kill the target doesn't care about collateral damage, presumably.

108:55Unless you had someone helping you.

109:02>> [snorts] >> Someone professional.

109:06I don't know. Like a foreign government or something like that. Someone that didn't want the bullet to exist after it was fired.

109:17That would track.

109:21That may want you to His dad's not a sheriff, okay? So, this is bad information, right?

109:27Not true. 100% not true. Dad owns a construction business, okay? Bingo.

109:31Let me grab one more clip from Nate that I have queued up over here.

109:38Oh, damn it.

109:45Again, I don't know. We just don't have the answers.

109:49Uh are there unspent rounds in the mag?

109:51Also frags. Three [clears throat] three unspent rounds.

109:54Plus also a cartridge that they left in cuz it's bolt action.

109:59So, he didn't actually eject the round on the roof. So, that was still left in the gun. So, actually three rounds plus the shell of one round, according to the FBI.

110:07Isn't that funny, guys? Isn't it funny how we've seen Initially, we saw everything out of the FBI. Like tweets.

110:13They couldn't get They couldn't step on their own dick fast enough to tell us, "We got him. We don't got him. We got him. We don't got him. Here's the gun.

110:18Maybe that's not the gun. Oh, but his dad turned him in. Just kidding, his dad didn't turn him in. It was the family friend sheriff." That all of that stuff they constantly threw at us as fast as possible.

110:26But when it came to the rounds, they just told us that they found rounds engraved. They just told us what it was said on the rounds, but they didn't actually show us a picture of the rounds. Nope.

110:38Isn't that odd?

110:39Yeah. 0.30-06 in these skinny jeans. We can see that, okay? Obviously.

110:45And then, we see here.

110:50Skinny jeans, skinny jeans.

110:52These are tight-ass jeans. There is no 0.30-06 in these jeans. What a lot of people tried to say is, "Oh, well, he had it up the back here."

111:01Oh my god. Yeah, you can bring one of those in here. Or bring Yeah, bring him in here.

111:05His girl's bringing in his 0.30-06. Oh.

111:08Is that what's happening?

111:10My wife just Like, "Hold on, bring him in here."

111:12I'm showing everybody.

111:14Look what Look what my wife just brought in.

111:16Oh.

111:17>> [laughter] >> We got a uh I Sorry, we got a little sidetracked.

111:25Yeah, we got a little sidetracked.

111:27So, ain't that interesting?

111:31Um and we're still going to get to uh stuff about Eric Kirk's background here in a minute.

111:36But first, I want to go to some more expert testimony that came in just recently that Nate brought to our attention.

111:45Nate referenced this in his stream last night.

111:48But if you haven't gone and seen the whole podcast, it's very worth the watch.

111:53Um [snorts] and the section about Charlie Kirk is especially relevant.

111:57So, this is Mike Glover, not him, the guy he's interviewing, is Mike Glover, ex-Green Beret sniper.

112:04Specifically sniper.

112:07The investigation and and kind of picking apart some of the from a shooter's standpoint and and an an investigation standpoint, I I guess just broadly speaking, what is your take on that?

112:19Across the board, really. I mean, from the narrative that's being fed from the FBI to the public to you know, the concreting over the the shooting site not long afterwards and and the videos that we've seen and just just from a sniper's perspective, kind of what is your take overall of of the entire thing?

112:40A lot of it stinks and I I don't like it. Um there are technical things that 100% I could speak from [snorts] a position of expertise and authority.

112:52Yeah, so Mike Glover served as a sniper during his 18-year career in the US Army Special Forces.

113:01Where he held roles such as weapon specialist, assaulter, reconnaissance team sergeant, and joint terminal air control.

113:07He was deployed to combat zones 14 to 15 times, including multiple rotations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

113:16So, bro knows what he's talking about.

113:19As a sniper, but overall, the entire thing doesn't technically meet any of my evaluations of what an organized hit would look like.

113:38Pinning it on one man who grew up hunting a little bit, who had little to no exposure to guns, and grew up in a conservative home. Like it it just doesn't make any sense. And there's many components to that, but for him like everybody's like, "It's an easy shot. Got it."

113:59Yeah, shooting a watermelon off of a fence post is an easy shot.

114:04Shooting a man under a tent in front of thousands of people, knowing that you could get shot and killed yourself, compromised, even for trained operators, is a lot of pressure. Not that we couldn't work through that pressure cuz we do that.

114:23But for a civilian with no understanding of stress inoculation, of training methodology, planning sequences to be able to execute that alone, um seems off to me. Is there to play devil's advocate cuz that's my my jam, is there any element of young, naive, almost too dumb I mean, it's kind of like going through buds at 18. It's like you're almost kind of too dumb to even understand what you've gotten yourself into.

114:55Do you think that there's any element of that that's even possible that like it just didn't even register that what he was doing was so profoundly significant historically and and evil and and and what have you that it was just an not impulsive cuz obviously there's a level of planning that needs to take place, but just from a a mindset standpoint that that that could possibly be a a factor?

115:19Yeah, for sure, but even in the analogy you used, um in buds, you don't have to be super technical. You just need to survive, right? You need to get through it. When you when you look at this situation, even breaking it down into an op, and just take cut out planning. Just do infil actions on and exfil.

115:40Even with 2 weeks to plan it?

115:43Although we have testimony from students at the campus that they saw someone on the roof.

115:51I don't know if we have any clarity on whether they looked like Tyler Robinson or not. Didn't sound like it looked like Tyler Robinson from the way the testimony came in, but it's hard to trust that kind of testimony from a student in their foggy memory.

116:02But even with 2 weeks of planning, to get all this together, the way it all went down. And Mike brings up some very important points about leaving the rifle behind.

116:11To flawlessly infil, flawlessly execute, and flawlessly exfil without compromise, and only to be Like if that happened, which it happened allegedly, and then to throw it and piss it all away by throwing the rifle in the woods, seems like a contradiction, an oxymoron. Like why would you go through all the work of apparently planning and then perfectly infiling actions on and then exfiling only to chuck a rifle to be seen off the side of the road?

116:42And now, do I think he's a psychopath?

116:44For sure.

116:45Um it typically takes that kind of personality to be in unaffected either to go get some chicken nuggies at Dairy Queen a few hours later. Maybe. Or have to be a trained operator or a psychopath. Or both. Or both. [laughter] It's a blurry line there.

117:03To uh effectively pull something off like that.

117:06But I also think um for people to operate like that in Yeah. their own little world without help, um and you can take the Trump assassination attempted Trump's assassination as well as an example, would be super unlikely.

117:27I mean, the biggest controversy is obviously the JFK assassination.

117:31To think that Oswald alone was a lone gunman with no help and coordination after he travels to Russia Like what?

117:41Like So, I'm afraid the further away we get from it every day that we get away from it, the more it becomes a conspiracy and the less it becomes confirmable.

117:53And I just think it's it's uh ass-backwards. I Yeah, it is ass-backwards. And we're going to drop in here real quick with Candace to remind ourselves what she said about allegedly how the rifle was found.

118:06And it's interesting to me cuz I went to the place where the rifle was allegedly found and I've stood there. I have footage of it. I've seen the place where the rifle was found allegedly.

118:14Um and this is interesting.

118:16>> I love details. I'm a detail-oriented person and these ones are fun and curious, okay?

118:23So, the story goes, you remember the story goes that the police officers found the gun in a wooded area. Now, immediate And I've heard this same exact allegation from other people's other law enforcement sources from on the ground in Utah, not through Candace Owens, in the past.

118:41Not in quite so much detail before.

118:44And let's release the bomb dogs in that exact area where ultimately the gun is going to later be discovered. So, she alleges that her sources in law enforcement there tell her that they canvassed the area completely and swept it and didn't find the gun. And then they released the bomb dogs to look for the gun. The bomb dogs didn't turn up with anything and here is why that fact alone is remarkably suspicious according to the police officers that were involved. According to the police officers that were involved, she's not making that up.

119:15She she very much has spoken to law enforcement there to tell her this story. And [snorts] she explains how dogs are the most advanced technology, I'm sure you've seen it at finding things like gunpowder, trace residue of explosions.

119:29>> and came up dry.

119:31Until fast forward, so many miracles in the story, fast forward to when the feds arrive after the dogs fail to the corner with you dogs and the feds are here, the federal officers are going around and asking officers weird questions like, "Oh, how long have you been on the police force?"

119:50And what happens then is that federal officers direct three police officers who I'm told between the three of these officers, they had less than a year and a half on the force, okay? Like these Which is interesting that they happen to choose all the newbies to go find the rifle.

120:09>> officers are are pretty spanking brand new just like everything else in the story. And the federal officers specifically direct them check again over yonder. Check again yonder, right over there because I just don't trust that super high grade technology of a dog's nose that we have and you you sir, you three go and see if there could be something over there.

120:34Like we can't trust those 100,000 times stronger noses.

120:37Uh you're human. Take it on, take on the task and guys you're not going to believe me.

120:44The nose that's trained to pick up gunpowder, explosive, combustible material, they get enough but lo and behold these police officers, bam, there it is, the gun.

120:52We've got the weapon. Woo. There's no cheating here. We nailed it. Might as well get rid of these dogs, right?

121:00Completely useless to have these dogs around.

121:03Yeah. So that's pretty freaking interesting. That's quite the allegation.

121:09Unconfirmed.

121:10I don't know how I can't confirm it.

121:12But >> [clears throat] >> that's pretty suspicious.

121:19And today actually, I should pull this up. Today Liz Wheeler, Zio Shell was on X talking about how Candace Owens acts like nobody who thinks Tyler Robinson is guilty is basing it solely only on the text message chain.

121:35She neglects to mention the strongest evidence against Tyler Robinson is Robinson's DNA linking him to Charlie's murder.

121:40DNA consistent with Robinson's was found on the trigger, other parts of the rifle, the fired cartridge casing, two of the three unfired cartridges and the towel.

121:49All of which are in the gun package.

121:52Which allegedly was planted.

121:55That's what that allegation was.

121:57Is it the rifle was planted? Obviously.

122:01Very convenient.

122:03Very convenient. It's no mystery why Tyler Robinson's personal weapon would have a little bit of his DNA on it.

122:10It's no mystery why Tyler Robinson's towel would have his own DNA on it.

122:16Now the bullets in the casings, that might be, you know, that that is suspicious. That's interesting.

122:22Maybe he was actually engraving or drawing on bullets.

122:27That would be pretty suspicious. And that would lend credibility to Tyler Robinson being involved in the shooting.

122:35But it feels pretty sloppy to me.

122:37It feels pretty fed sloppy to me.

122:41So let's check back in with Mike Glover cuz boy does Mike have some allegations, some new allegations. And I could say this.

122:52The day after I talked to a high level CIA official.

123:01Very high.

123:03And he told me I don't know if I even know if I I think you should absolutely share it.

123:09Um he told me Say it.

123:13>> that the FBI is not cooperating with him.

123:18Chat thinks it's Joe Kent.

123:21Could be.

123:22I don't know if Joe Kent is technically CIA right now. I think technically he's ATF?

123:30And Or is he deputy?

123:31>> He is trying to corroborate potential foreign influence and was getting blocked out of every opportunity to confirm or deny that.

123:43And it was written off as no foreign influence Joe Kent is national counterterrorism director.

123:51Um I don't know if that counts as CIA.

123:55less than 48 hours in.

123:57And this guy has access to the president of the United States. Let's say this one more time.

124:02running with him.

124:04And he is trying to corroborate potential foreign influence and was getting blocked out of every opportunity to confirm or deny that.

124:18And it was written off as no foreign influence less than 48 hours in.

124:25And this guy has access to the president of the United States.

124:29Hm. And so for that to be said from the guy and asking me if I had anybody that I knew on the inside to be able to get information because he wasn't allowed to access it. I'm like, "Why are you calling me?" Isn't that wild?

124:49High level CIA, one of the top people at CIA is calling up retired Green Berets asking them if they have intel because he's not allowed to get intel.

124:59And this is just days after the shooting.

125:02Which also confirms that right after the shooting, I've heard this from so many directions and so many good sources that right after the shooting, tons of people high up in the Trump administration, in the intelligence apparatus immediately said the suspect is foreign governments.

125:20And we all know which ones.

125:22That was that that has been reported from so many directions that that suspicion dropped into everyone's minds at places like CIA, counterterrorism, DOJ, whatever.

125:35And this corroborates that.

125:38But it also adds that the FBI was blocking all of that.

125:43tells me everything that I need to know.

125:45Well so to me here's where where I don't understand that is that you have you know, Trump's handpicked guy running the FBI, right? And so if this guy has access to Trump also, doesn't that isn't that at odds? Like where would the FBI >> being you know Good question.

126:04>> headed by Trump's handpicked guy not be cooperating with somebody who also has access to Trump. Like where So where is the the conflict?

126:11>> That's the first question I ask and what I got was >> [laughter] >> Got to be fine.

126:20Says the guy. Says the guy [laughter] on the other side of the interview.

126:24Um what I was told was the guy is already the guy is already bought.

126:41Let's hear this one more time.

126:44He's talking to a extremely senior CIA officer.

126:49Access to the president, one of the most senior intelligence officials in the land.

126:54And that person says that Kash is blocking other agencies investigations into foreign involvement in this case.

127:03He asks, "Isn't that weird?"

127:06And that high level CIA person the CIA of all agencies the people that specialize in compromising people, etc.

127:19That person said that Kash Patel has been bought.

127:26A Kash.

127:29Now that is a spicy allegation.

127:32And Dan Glover's not making the allegation. Dan Glover's He's just saying Sorry, Mike Glover.

127:38>> [snorts] >> I was just looking up Dan over here.

127:41Mike's just saying that that's what he was told.

127:44He's just sharing his anonymous source.

127:49And you make up your own mind about what you think about Kash Patel based upon what you've seen Kash Patel doing over the last several months.

127:57What you've seen Kash Patel doing around the Epstein files.

128:06But don't criticize his girlfriend Alexis Wilkins or you might get sued by Kash's lawyers.

128:12Weirdly enough.

128:14And which guy is already bought? The FBI.

128:17By somebody outside of the president?

128:19Don't know who that is but basically he's all Probably Madagascar.

128:26I mean, if you look at what Kash has done, he's basically an eternal Madagascar shill. I bet he's covering everything up for Madagascar. Don't you?

128:35already been so heavily influenced by outsiders.

128:41Um that it's a very good question that you would have a handpicked cabinet member from the DOJ the head of the FBI and then a handpicked cabinet member foreign intelligence organization not being able to interoperate together, why would you block them out?

129:04Well, one, if you were trying to compete with them and you wanted to be the the person that was positioning your organization to be above the rest.

129:18Like, why would we need the CIA? Because we the FBI runs the show. This is a domestic terrorist threat.

129:25But have you confirmed or denied that there's any foreign influence? Yeah, we did that. How can you do that in 48 hours? You can't do that is the answer in 48 hours.

129:33So, it's either external influence or a combination of that and protecting your organization because you are the show.

129:44And on game day as it was advertised again in post press conferences, they did everything right.

129:54Yeah.

129:56We have a podcaster running the FBI.

130:00Totally uncompromised podcaster running the FBI.

130:06Totally straight and narrow.

130:08It's going great.

130:10Epstein totally killed himself. Never even trafficked anyone to anyone.

130:16Why would you even think otherwise?

130:18Are you anti-Semitic? Or did they? I mean, I I don't know the answer to that, but what I do know is when the CIA is getting blocked out of even investigating foreign influence days after it happened without a proper investigation or without even cooperation with the proper investigation, that is a massive problem.

130:41Agreed. And and I guess, you know, if I'm in your shoes and I'm speaking with this higher-up CIA guy that's telling me this, but who also has access to the president, the way my mind immediately or where my mind immediately goes is why wouldn't you tell the president then that that's taking place? And and and maybe he has, but if he has and the president isn't either A doing something about it or or making coordination happen, to me you can deductively reason then that then that that would imply that the president has a part in it, too, no? I mean, or am I missing something?

131:18Bro is asking the right questions. Well, I I think what I've gotten so far and this has been a culmination of to Um someone in the chat asked who's the podcaster. It is Mike Ritland.

131:36The Mike Drop podcast.

131:39It's two Mikes sitting down. It's Mike Ritland and Mike Glover.

131:44Drop a subscribe on him and support this work.

131:48Tulsi Gabbard and many other people including Sarah Adams and Khalid um these intel experts that focus on understanding what's going The rest of this clip actually is not as relevant, so we're going to skip to this one.

132:07But I I guess more specifically on your CIA contact, the FBI, and the president. Cuz Mike comes back and he's like, "Whoa, whoa, let's just clarify this president Let's just clarify this president real quick cuz this is important."

132:23I guess if you can help me understand >> I think they tried. I think he tried.

132:28Well, so again Nobody's listening. Well, I mean, but doesn't that tell you quite a bit, though?

132:32>> Tells me a lot.

132:33>> You know, it's like the so then wouldn't the president either know something or have some involvement? Again, just deductive reasoning. It's like, well, if you tell somebody there's a problem and nothing nothing changes, why would nothing change?

132:48Um I haven't actually watched this clip yet, but I bet it's relevant.

132:53I'd bet it's a good time to watch this clip that my boy sent over.

133:00recognize the Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights.

133:06>> [music] >> And that's one they didn't even ask me.

133:09And I signed the Golan Heights, the rights to the Golan Heights over to Israel. Nobody thought that was possible to get. They've been working on it for 70 years, Mark. All they talked about was the Golan Heights, right, Jason?

133:23And nobody ever did anything, but I [music] did it and we did it quickly.

133:26And I say, "Good luck to you."

133:29Then I found out the value of it, trillions of dollars. It could be worth If you think trillions of dollars, I said, "You know, maybe I should have asked him for something." [music] But with Jared Kushner's help, Jared has been a great fan of Israel, the Kushner family.

133:47Yeah.

133:50And that's just one of many. We got lots of recent videos of Trump professing his dedication to Israel, his eternal dedication to Israel.

134:02Let me expand on this a little bit.

134:07That person sent several employees >> That's Do you want to come up, Miriam?

134:13Come up here, Miriam.

134:15Sorry, I just >> [cheering and applause] >> I couldn't help myself.

134:17Miriam gave my campaign indirectly, indirectly, 250 million. She was number one.

134:26When somebody can give you 250 million, I think that we should give her the opportunity to say hello.

134:33And Miriam, make it quick cuz 250 million is not what it used to be.

134:40Okay.

134:41That's so funny.

134:44Oh my gosh, what a funny joke, you a great husband, a man that loved >> [applause] >> Israel.

134:54Yeah.

134:55Totally American interests.

134:58Right?

135:00Totally American interests.

135:03Dual loyalty? Don't ask that question.

135:05Don't even talk about dual loyalty, you racist.

135:09You anti-Semites.

135:11is to analyze, assess, and investigate that information which they have access to.

135:21They sent them from DC to Provo, Warm Utah, 30 minutes down the down the the canyon from my house.

135:32And all of them were denied access and told to turn around and get back on the plane and fly away.

135:37So, it wasn't just words and blockading or ignoring phone calls.

135:45It was a deliberate and intentional turnaround, which is one of the main reasons when I talk about it on on Seral Dispatch, I think it is a massive issue that isn't is nearly like the Epstein issue where there's so much convolution and corruption involved in all of the information that it ever released would cause all this controversy, which is why the full JFK picture has not been presented as promised.

136:14Someone in chat just asked, "I don't get it. Is it money? Is it blackmail? What's How do you control this many people this completely?" Could be both.

136:22Could be threats.

136:24Could be threats.

136:27Where are all of Kash Patel's relatives?

136:32I don't know. Do any of Kash Patel's relatives live in India?

136:35Could be pretty easy to hold a threat over relatives that live abroad.

136:40I think blackmail is a highly likely candidate in my personal opinion, just my opinion.

136:48If when you look at Kash Patel, I think that man looks blackmailable as Yeah.

136:56Yeah.

136:58But I think it's different for everybody and it's extremely complex. It's a complex web.

137:05Shame. Shame is how you do that. Yes.

137:08And shame on them.

137:10Shame on them.

137:13The full MLK picture, RFK picture has not been fully divulged as promised. It's because they're trying to protect us. That's their justification from the information because it's a need to know and we don't have a need to know.

137:32That's terrifying. Scary. I think it is.

137:35Yeah, I mean, like if if your connection at the CIA is communicating that to the president and it's still not being fixed, that says a lot.

137:44When Charlie was the guy that got him into office, that's dark.

137:53Like when you really think about the implications of all the things we talked about just today and the people that are lying and the people that are covering it up, it gets really dark really fast.

138:06And I just keep thinking about what Candace said is like, was Charlie's life the Truman Show?

138:12Was anyone around Charlie real?

138:16At all.

138:21And the more you actually learn about politics and meet politicians and meet the journalists and meet the people that are, you know, in this mainstream world, ooh, the more you realize that that is the rule, not the exception.

138:35Yeah. I mean, especially about the Charlie Kirk thing because there's only one reason that I can think of that you would possibly not fix that problem and it's that and and it's that if you didn't want that problem to be fixed. I am not suicidal.

138:53I've been I began in psilocybin and in no way would I ever do anything to self-harm myself.

138:58>> Same here for the record.

139:00>> [laughter] >> Yeah. So the the million-dollar question or questions, do you think the identified shooter actually did it? The $6 million question, did Tyler Robinson do it?

139:13And or do you think there was foreign involvement? I don't know if you followed up with any of the stuff that Candace Owens has been putting out.

139:20Yeah, I do.

139:20>> Of late about potentially some some French connection or or that there was a foreign connection of some sort. What do you think happened? Do you have a theory? My theory is he was the shooter, but there's a lot more involvement including foreign adversaries.

139:35I I look for people to write off the idea that there is no foreign influence at all in this particular case does not understand history or the world we live in today.

139:50Having worked for the CIA having worked for Special Operations Command at senior positions briefing >> [snorts] >> generals and deputy directors of the agency and a lot of influential politicians being a person who advocated for the military's position in Libya in Benghazi and talking to members of Congress in investigations of all this a whistleblower myself blacked out on Fox News post-Benghazi saying that the military could have responded with Adam Housley 100% foreign influence is likely the framework of how these things happen.

140:41Whether it was the Trump attempted assassination or our um assassination in Utah that killed Charlie Kirk it's likely the case that there was some foreign influence in some way.

140:55Yeah, that sounds about right.

140:58Um How far are we?

141:02What's our timing here?

141:04Cool.

141:05Um I think I have a clip here where he actually gives the opposite perspective on the bullet that he thinks it's very possible that a .30-06 was used and caused the damage that we more or less know. I started doubt that he would agree with the leaked autopsy. I bet that he would my my guess just guessing that he would think that autopsy probably sounds like but at this point we don't who trusts that autopsy. Um so I think Mike actually is a you know a strong witness or expert testimony to the other side of the bullet theory. I'm not sure if that's in this clip or not. Is it an asset that was inside the

141:39chat groups that he was in who recruited him influenced him and then pushed him to do it? Who offered him material support? I That's my theory. I think that Lance Twigs was the target of that far more likely than Tyler Robinson. Lance Twigs is the one that has the profile that you go after on the internet. Lance Twigs is the unstable one. Lance Twigs is the one that disappeared. Lance Twigs is the one that's being protected. Lance Twigs is far more suspicious in terms of the groomed asset possibly the blackmailed extorted threatened part of this thing than Tyler.

142:17To me Tyler looks like the one that got snared by Lance Twigs one way or another. Whether he did so willingly and knowingly or whether he got duped or whether he just got straight up framed because the other thing that Lance Twigs has is access to the gun, access to the home, access to the towel, access to all of Tyler's Access to Tyler's computers and phones probably. Probably had the passwords. At least I wouldn't be surprised if he did.

142:44And Lance Twigs gone. Disappeared.

142:49He's a witness for the state I guess.

142:52But we're not going to look into whether he was involved because of those text messages? Those are going to absolve him of guilt?

142:59Really?

143:01The actual trans one?

143:02The one that actually apparently allegedly was a total psychopath?

143:09Yeah.

143:10Lance Twigs feels like a very significant part of this whole thing.

143:14And yeah, I see in the chat I'm I wouldn't be surprised if we never see Lance Twigs alive again.

143:21Because if you sever that connection you effectively jettison Tyler Robinson into the wind and you put the fear of God in him.

143:30If he catches wind that that might have happened, if he can't get a hold of Lance Yeah, that's the kind of thing that might make a person like Tyler shut the up.

143:41Possibly.

143:44I think that's what happened.

143:46And and people would say, well that's not the case. Twitter just unlocked the ability for you to see where the accounts and the tweets are coming from.

143:55And would it surprise you that a lot of the vicious toxic volatile conversations that are created from the origin point are coming from overseas adversaries?

144:12Now if you said that you'd be like, yeah yeah, I think that's the case.

144:15If I showed you where they're geolocated and tagged on Twitter, then would you believe me? If I unpacked the Twitter files and showed you all the politic political convolution between the government and private companies to suppress your voice including mine and yours on YouTube and social media, would you believe me? If I showed it, would you believe me? Oh, we believe you, bro.

144:37You don't got to show us We believe you.

144:41So it's all there.

144:43And um I'm inclined to believe that that's what happened. Any thought guess theory as to what what foreign state-sponsored actor or organization?

144:57Gives an interesting answer here.

144:59And I don't know if his answer is him trying to not just say Israel or if it's his like legitimate full-on answer because a lot of times military guys have a much more broad perspective on global threat profiles of big nations and through their experience in the military often you know, are more aware of these big nations threat profiles and are more willing to see them as adversaries cuz they lived through a long experience of sort of the military posture towards those adversaries, but this is an interesting answer that's not what I would have expected if he's been following the story.

145:35I I I think and we know this for a fact that Russia, China, North Korea and Iran are closer in talking engaging and working together than ever before in history. But I didn't want to cut off his answer and like cherry-pick it to only show clips that support my narrative. I wanted to show his clip here and his his perspective on this.

145:59Um but I I'm sorry, man. Like you think Russia, Iran all them were trying to kill Charlie Kirk?

146:10Out of all the things they could have spent this political capital on this this assassination capital on as opposed to the nation he was sort of about to turn on, the nation that he was completely changing face on?

146:23You know, the one that had offered to take him to the next level and he turned them down.

146:27The one that he undeni- like most certainly had all sorts of dirt on.

146:33Dang, Stacy. Thanks for the subs.

146:36A lot of that because of the severing of diplomatic ties under the Biden administration.

146:44It could I I think it's everything they do I think they have a joint task force.

146:49And I I can't prove this. I haven't had intel that reports this, but I I believe if you're the bad guy if you're the adversary, you work together.

146:59And that statement is exactly true for the deep state.

147:03The global Western deep state of deep uh entrenched pieces of the CIA, the NSA, the FBI Mossad, other Israeli intelligence services, 8200, private assets scattered all around the globe that work with these dark elements of those groups.

147:24I I would bet the Saudi intelligence has been in and out of there over the years.

147:29I bet there's a number of other nations and agencies and sort of splintered factions within the intelligence apparatai of a lot of the big nations.

147:36France that are probably in that sort of deep state networking decentralized organized criminal cabal of permanent uh stateless governance.

147:51And when you work together, you have a combined joint task force that puts all your resources together and you tackle it. And their strategic plan at the table is to burn America to the ground from the inside.

148:05And they're doing a really good job at doing it.

148:09Troubling times in the kingdom.

148:11Troubling times in the kingdom.

148:14Yeah.

148:15So I think that we're going to let that sit for Mike um and we're going to lastly revisit our girl Erica.

148:26Back where this all started with Candace talking to Erica and trying to unpack why would Candace take this posture with Erica?

148:36Was she bought out? Was she compromised?

148:40No. No, she wasn't.

148:43And she watches all this reporting. It's just not her place to do it.

148:47She doesn't have the positioning and posturing to investigate Erica like this and she's very wise not to.

148:55Um for that matter, I've not been super critical of Erica either because I don't know what the truth is and I've got other things to pay attention to and to dig into and everyone's noticing this kind of stuff. This stuff is coming out one way or another. You can't hide this kind of And this kind of is pretty wild.

149:13So, we'll go to our boy James Lee for some context.

149:19V and Cabot Phillips. I don't know about you, but that look Erica Kirk's backstory has just been exposed as a giant lie, allegedly. When I lived out here, I was here for 5 years. I never dated here cuz I saw vicariously through my roommate how terrible it was. I just I don't drink. I find it unproductive.

149:39>> We don't know for sure if she wasn't drinking, but she did really enjoy posing with alcoholic beverages. Here's her with a glass of champagne. It says, "It's Wednesday, so treat yourself to a little champagne." And did she really not date while she lived in New York City? Well, here's a photo that the internet sleuths dug up from [music] September of 2017 with one Cabot Phillips and the caption said, "Yes, we're that couple who gets painting lessons together." And here you could see Erica Frantzvi and Cabot Phillips. I don't know about you, but that look like a little bit more than just a one-off date. Look like they were

150:18an actual couple as the caption said.

150:20But interestingly, Cabot Phillips [music] was actually at one point Charlie Kirk's producer and he's now a senior editor at The Daily Wire. And just yesterday, December 16th, 2025, he gave a talk about quote, "How to lead like Charlie." You got to understand, I am not from this world of media and I think all this kind of incestuousity is weird to me. So, not only do we now know that she was dating before Charlie, which is fine, it's a totally normal thing to do, but she was also engaged, perhaps even married. Luna Bear Studios posted this on March 16th, 2015, prepping another couple's gallery for

151:03delivery, Erica Frantzvi and JT Massey.

151:06You both are amazing humans and I love shooting you. So much laughter and love.

151:11It was perfection. This is what happens when your entire image is propped up by something that just is not true. If you are not this woman, don't pretend to be.

151:24But the bigger point is why does Erica have to lie about this? Is it just for her to prop up this image that she is a conservative woman, quote unquote? Because you can't hide this kind of stuff. The internet is undefeated. Erica Kirk's backstory has just been ex- Yeah.

151:43So, I'm just going to let James be the one that speaks on that one.

151:51Because ain't that interesting?

151:55If you're really paying attention, if you've really got your tin foil out, there's a lot of other subtle stuff that that indicates about a lot of people in the in the story.

152:07Um that I got some questions about.

152:12I got some real questions about.

152:20But the internet's just doing its thing.

152:22We're just asking questions and every new thing that gets put on the record adds to the ledger of statements of fact, of potential lies, of potential obfuscation.

152:39And every day to me it looks more and more like a cover-up.

152:43And the response, the media response, the influencer response to that cover-up, to push that cover-up, to shame people that are asking questions, to shame journalists for doing journalism, it just gets more and more obvious every day.

153:01So, that's where we stand. That's how I feel. I'm going to be watching Candace's every episode this week. I don't think you should take Candace's episodes as gospel truth. Do not be a cult. Don't just worship Candace. Candace is fallible. She's just a woman. She's just doing her best. Um just think for yourself.

153:20Listen to what she says. Think critically. Do your own research. Look at other sources. See what the opposition says and stay rational and make your own judgments. But always remember in the modern information space that there are complex manipulation tactics being used. There are complex bot campaigns. There's complex misinformation campaigns. There's paid influencers. There's subversion at every level. Um don't trust anyone.

153:46Think very carefully. And when you see narratives build with immense power out of nowhere, ask questions.

153:58Ask who's pushing this narrative. Where What is this narrative? Where did this narrative come from?

154:03Why are all these shills pushing it? Why are all these big Zio accounts pushing the same talking points right now today?

154:11Right?

154:13Think about the negative space.

154:15And think about the positions that all the journalists are in and what they can and can't say, what they might and might not know.

154:24Because it's a delicate balance out here.

154:28So, hopefully you all have your own opinions. I have my own opinions. I try my best to delineate when I'm sharing my opinions versus when I'm sharing information, evidence and facts.

154:40I'm doing my best to learn in this environment how to do this job and how to do it in this environment and how to maintain integrity, but it's hard.

154:50It's complicated. I'm learning a lot.

154:53We're all fallible.

154:54Right?

154:57Except for Israel. Israel is infallible, obviously. So, that is the end of our main show for today. That's the end of our main thread that we're going to line up.

155:11Um I need to take a quick bathroom break. Um I might see if Diddy needs to go out. And I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to let you guys watch Valhalla for a second. If you want to hang out. If you're If you need to go and do stuff, that's cool, too. If you want to hang out and watch Valhalla for a few minutes, I'll put him on and then I will be right back after that.

155:31Um and we'll do a little bit more of a hang out, a little bit more of a chat.

155:35Um I'll take some questions. We can kind of go wherever you guys want to go.

155:39Maybe we'll watch some more stuff. I've got time, so I can do another, you know, 30 minutes to an hour maybe at the most.

155:45Um so we'll see what happens. But for now, thanks for being here. Um thanks for watching. Thanks for supporting. Thanks for subscribing. Thanks for sharing it with your friends. Thanks for being an awesome homie. And if that's it for you, then I'll see you on the next one. And if you want to, stick around after the break and I'll see you on the other side. Let me get our boy queued up.

156:07Um and I will be right back.

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156:32We'll have We'll talk about that in future episodes. So again, Tyler Robinson, here he is. Well, who Again, is this him?

156:41Look, I don't know.

156:42I don't know, guys. This is the best we have.

156:45This is This is a like every goddamn 22-year-old white college kid that exists looks like this.

156:52But again, nothing here.

156:55We know here as we move forward, nothing in the jeans.

156:59Nothing up the back. That was another thing. It was like, "Oh, it was halfway down his legs and then the gun was coming up his back and that's why we couldn't see it." There's no 30-ought-six here. This tiny little backpack. Look at this thing. This little 20-in backpack that supposedly supposedly he's got a 44-in 30-ought-six broken down into three pieces that somehow is fitting in this even though it probably I don't know how long a Mauser barrel is. I'm assuming around like 22 in.

157:26Correct me if I'm wrong on that.

157:28Not going to fit in here. This is backpack's not big enough to fit a broken down 30-ought-six. It's just not.

157:34Objectively, right? Um oh, here we go. Here's the other one. So, remember we showed you and this is how I'm proving this with the legs. You see the left leg?

157:43See the big bend here? There's no way you could have a gun there, even a small caliber gun. You couldn't even fit an AR-15 there.

157:49Okay, we see the back.

157:51Then we also see the left See the left leg here?

157:55The left leg bent at a 90°. So, we've seen both the right leg, both the left legs bent at a 90°. You couldn't do this with a 30-ought-six here. Your leg wouldn't bend. We've seen that it's not up his back. We have objectively proved whoever this person is, this isn't my opinion, this is objective based off of this footage. If this is who supposedly went to the roof, he does not have a 30-ought-six with him.

158:20This is not up for discussion. This isn't my opinion.

158:24This is objectively true.

158:26This guy, whoever he is, does not have a 30-ought-six with him.

158:32Maybe at best case is he's got a broken down AR-15. Still would be tight.

158:38Still would be tight, but we know this person, and again, here's another one of him from the front. You can see his Guys, you can see his phone.

158:47Like this tiny little phone here. It looks like probably a Samsung Galaxy even.

158:52There's no There's no There's no .30-06. Also, does this even look like him?

158:59I mean, it doesn't To me, I'm not even sure it looks like him at all.

159:04Like this doesn't To me, this doesn't even look like Tyler Robinson.

159:07Hold on.

159:08Let me uh Let's pull Let's pull this up.

159:15Poor pictures.

159:19It's not Dude, it's completely different colored hair. This kid has light brown hair.

159:24Pull this.

159:26Look at his hair.

159:29And the country, even the world watching as Charlie Kirk accuses us Listen to these people. Come on, give me a better picture.

159:35Hold on, let me find a better picture of uh old Tyler here.

159:41Um standby one.

159:43Cuz it's actually I think it's important.

159:45That That kid in that picture has black hair. Black hair.

159:50And Tyler Robinson has light brown hair.

159:59I actually pulled this up right here.

160:05God damn it, they're all They're all videos. I don't want videos.

160:08I want pictures.

160:11Hold on, let's do this.

160:14Is that going to do it? Okay, here we go.

160:17So, this is Tyler Robinson.

160:21This dude has light brown hair.

160:26Okay?

160:28Now, let's go back to the picture of uh the dude we just saw.

160:35Whoever this guy is.

160:36>> Yo, Nate.

160:39That's a good point.

160:40>> This dude has black hair.

160:42Legitimately. And this is good enough. I can see the pigmentation color of his skin.

160:49Remember to drink water, eat healthy food, do healthy things for yourself, tell people you love them, be nice. Um be the kind of person that you'd want your nation to be made out of.

160:58And altogether we'll hopefully pull this back out from hell.

161:02And hopefully at least fix the world a little bit for our kids.

161:07So, I appreciate you all for being here.

161:09And I'll catch you guys on the next one.

161:12Conspiracy theories [music] are entering a dangerous Information is the oxygen of a democracy. There's so much evidence out there that even if less than 1% is true that would be enough to collapse the current paradigm and change the whole planet.