0:01been guys high level at top five top 10 banks to you know launder for the cartels and I'm like funny you say that I had that guy here last week who literally did that and told the story.
0:10But he there there's one story of of the many that that Matt tells that it's just like holy [ __ ] Where he talks about it was in 275 he talked about this. But he was taken to this warehouse when he was with the cartels and mind you he's a money laundering guy. He's not carrying the gun around or doing any of that [ __ ] But he's around these guys the highest level guys. And in this warehouse there's a dude tied up on the floor crying and begging and beat up and on the table in the middle is like an eight or nine year old boy. And it's the guy's son. Now this guy had allegedly stolen money from the
0:45cartel and it's all I don't remember how many people it was maybe it was 25 cartel guys they're all around the dude and Matt walks up and he's got to stand there and pretend this is normal and they all took their turns taking a carrot peeler to the kid's face while he's screaming and his dad's screaming just as much.
1:01And you can see you know Matt's trained to internalize emotions so he's still doing that when he's in the studio with me. But you can just see behind the eyes whatever the [ __ ] is going on there is just burning. Well I think though and I've looked into this with one one of the next things I'm going to get into with organized crime is the real mafia the Camorra the 'Ndrangheta the Sicilian mafia.
1:28>> Yeah. And one of the big phenomenon's in Naples right now are baby bosses. These gangs.
1:33>> Baby bosses.
1:33>> Baby gangs yeah. Essentially uh 12 to 20 year old kids that get into the rackets and become bosses of groups small groups and I saw a documentary recently I think it was maybe Vice. It was actually really well done where they profiled four kids that were from this these projects basically. They're called the sales in Naples. If you've ever seen the show Gomorrah, greatest television show of all time. Yeah, yeah, it's good stuff. They they profile this place and they interview the kids and these are young kids, 13, 14 years old talking about killing people, doing bad things to people. And and they interviewed
2:13essentially a superior, a guy maybe he's in his 20s.
2:17And they say to him like, "Why do you make these kids do this type of stuff? Like why aren't you doing it?"
2:24And he says essentially, "We need to take any humanity they have and remove it from them because in this world that's not useful to them really."
2:35>> play this Alessi, sorry. Yeah, but go ahead, Jeff.
2:38>> He basically Yeah, he basically says like, "What what they have, like the ethics that they have or they were born with, we want to remove that from them because that's not useful to what we do.
2:47And she then asked, "What happens if they don't kill?"
2:50"We kill them." Yep.
2:52They they do what we say. We are the We're the judge, jury, and executioner in these countries. And that's what I'm sure he'll tell you.
3:01They probably in a way wanted him to see that because this is what happens when you don't do what we say.
3:07>> That's 100% right.
3:08>> And I think that's why cartels are so powerful because they're so good and even you look at ISIS, they're so good at propaganda.
3:17Where they'll put so much even not even money, they'll just take a phone out and record something and they'll put it out.
3:23The reason those those cartel executions are put out is really just not only scare people, but to also say, "We're the people here.
3:32You [ __ ] with us, this will happen to you." And if you actually listen to the interrogations, they say the same [ __ ] always. Yeah. This person did this and this will be the fate if you do it.
3:42So don't [ __ ] do it.
3:43>> Yeah.
3:44There's a thing I think about often where it's like you don't empathize the act.
3:51And I'll explain this, but try to learn to empathize how this could have gotten to this point. And what I mean is let's look at the worst type of example. You see a terrorist blow up a thousand people. It's a horrible person. And he's going straight to [ __ ] hell.
4:06At some point though, that person was a five-year-old kid.
4:09And I like to look at and I don't know if like's the right word, but I I I try to make myself look at where they came from and what might have clicked. Like what made baby Hitler Hitler, right? Cuz how can we avoid having that in the future?
4:26>> the show that I have. Because I had looked at I'd watched the Irishman that film.
4:31>> Yeah. And I think the last half hour of it is a masterpiece. Yeah. Because we see a man who his whole life was celebrated. He was with all these famous mob guys and he was getting this beautiful ring that nobody had and he was the chief of this union. He was very powerful with Jimmy Hoffa. Mhm. And in the end, he realized he was an old man dying. And he had ostracized everybody.
4:56He had nothing.
4:57>> And he had nothing in the end and he died alone by himself. Didn't even know it was Christmas.
5:03And I started that and I thought about also what you just said. What makes a person like what makes someone? What is so powerful about that code? Yeah. That you go in a room and you you you you you you take the saint, you burn it. What's so powerful where you will leave your dying wife to go kill someone for a group of men? What's so powerful about that?
5:25What's so powerful about you know, being a a member of a cartel?
5:30Or or you look at, you know, terrorists.
5:33It's power.
5:34>> Till the time they die, they feel like they're doing something very righteous.
5:39>> Yes. And in where they're from, it is righteous. I interviewed a guy about two weeks ago. Out of all the people I'll talk about today, this person you should have on your show more than any of them because he is incredibly interesting.
5:52This guy, Eric King, he was involved in the Ferguson riots.
5:57Mhm. With uh Michael or uh What was his name? Uh uh Michael Brown.
6:01>> 2014. Yeah. He he was involved with throwing a Molotov cocktail into a government office. He got 10 years.
6:10And he continued to be a activist in prison, which is you don't want to do that. You don't want to piss off the government.
6:17>> Yeah. Eventually got into a fight with a guard and they sent him to the ADX.
6:20And he was in the ADX for almost 3 years. And you know what he told me? He met Richard Reid, the shoe bomber.
6:27>> And the way he And I almost felt when I was interviewing, I almost felt like I don't even know how to respond to this.
6:33Where he said at one point, he said, "I looked at Richard Reid as the Richard Reid from London, that wasn't a terrorist. Cuz outside of that, he was really nice guy."
6:45He told me he was like the nicest guy I've ever met. "And we talked about this and we talked about that." And he humanized this guy.
6:51>> Yes. Which is weird because like when we hear terrorist, we don't humanize them.
6:56And in a way, they were all just a 5-year-old kid, just like you said.
6:59>> Yes.
7:01And I think in terms of like terrorist, we know why they become the way they are because it's all religiously based.
7:06But why does why does um why does John Wayne Gacy? What what makes him do that? And that's something that I've always we search for and I think a lot of people that like true crime, they also search for it. Like what is it about this?
7:21Why do they become this way?
7:23W- w- What what goes off in their brain?
7:26Now, I think a lot of them we find out and if you look into some of their history, I think a lot of it just comes from, you know, like if you look into Whitey Bulger, you know, a lot of the MK Ultra stuff that went on, I think a lot of people wonder, did that have some effect on it?
7:41And a lot of the stuff that went on in World War II, a lot of those people that that happened to, the kids they had are the people we're talking about here.
7:49That 70s, 80s where there was a lot of these serial killers and bad people. Did it have something to do with that maybe?
7:55Yeah, it's that's an interesting interesting argument for sure. And it's like you talk about the humanizing point though.
8:02That's the thing. It's like someone can just be off 1% of the time and that's all it is cuz they're [ __ ] Jack the Ripper when they're off. But that other 99% they're like your [ __ ] grandfather down the street. It's very strange.
8:14>> I'll tell you something. I I don't I've I've talked about this publicly once and I'll tell you it here because I think it's a worthy place to talk about it.
8:21So, as you know, my dad died in 2023.
8:24And last year I had I dealt with a situation. I was having some problems and just grief had really overcome for me. I was [ __ ] super stressed out. I was a lot going on. And uh I I went to a facility for 5 days. Mhm.
8:39It was like a behavioral place.
8:41And I remember I didn't initially know I was going there.
8:45But I guess they had said uh essentially what had happened is I had come in contact with the police locally about a a matter I was dealing with.
8:53And um cop says to me cuz I just don't think they wanted to deal with me.
8:57They said, "You want to go to the hospital?" And I said, "I wasn't feeling right." And I said, "You know what? I'll go."
9:02And I'll get my vitals checked, make sure I'm okay. So, I go and they take me to the psych ward.
9:09Cuz I'd mentioned I was a mob content creator.
9:12I made videos about the mafia.
9:14So, I think they had heard that and they thought, "What the [ __ ] is this guy talking about?"
9:16>> Five-O So, they take me to the psych ward and I didn't really know where I was. I I just kind of answered their questions and you know, I'm there 6 hours and I'm like I got to go home. Like I got stuff to do tomorrow. So, I go out to the lobby and I said, "Can I leave?" And she's like, "No, you can't leave." I said, "So, what do I do?" She goes, "Go in there and sit in there and we'll we'll tell you when you can leave."
9:41And I I'd made a comment. I said, "You better make sure I get out of here."
9:44And they took that as a threat. Long story short, they take me to this place the next day.
9:49And I go in and and I realized at that point I wasn't going home.
9:53Cuz I know what the rules are on a 302 patient in Pennsylvania. You have to stay there for at least 72 hours. And this was on a Saturday. So, nobody's working. So, I figured until Monday no one's even talk to me.
10:05So, I go in and I learned that this place has six units.
10:09Elderly, adolescents, co-ed, all this place. They take me to the section 300.
10:15Which I didn't know what section 300 was, but I in turn find out that it is the place where the criminals go. The criminally insane go.
10:25I sit in the bed and they introduce me to the guy next to me. He's on medication. He doesn't even know his name probably. I remember walking out to the common area and I thought to myself, and I'm fine by this point. I'm thinking like, "Where the [ __ ] am I? What is going on?"
10:40And I hear people screaming and I hear people like just saying the most insane [ __ ] And then, you know, longer story short, I ended up staying there for a certain amount of time and they signed me out because I was completely fine in it. I think in turn it was a big misunderstanding. They had thought I said I was in the mafia and, you know, was a hitman and stuff and obviously I wasn't. I remember the psychiatrist says to me, Julian, she says, she comes to money, she goes, "I've never done this before, but I Googled you."
11:10I said, "Oh, yeah, what did you find?"
11:12She goes, "You're pretty interesting guy." I said, "Yeah." She goes, "You talk about the mafia?"
11:17>> Yeah. I said, "Yeah, I have a podcast."
11:19She goes, "I think this is a misunderstanding that happened here."
11:22She goes, "Are you suicidal?" I said, "No."
11:25"You know, you you know, you suicidal?"
11:26I said, "No."
11:27"Are you on medication?" "No." "Do you want medication?" "No." She goes, "If you want to sign yourself out, you can."
11:34Just like that? Yeah. And then she goes, "There's one caveat." I'm thinking I'm going to leave. Thinking, "Sweet. I'll be home by Monday night." You know, whatever.
11:43She goes, "In Pennsylvania, when you sign yourself out, 72 hours you got to stay."
11:50So, I'm sitting in a in a place where I have no phone. It's like it was jail.
11:55You couldn't leave the unit. It was It was worse than jail.
11:58>> It's a strange purgatory. It really is.
12:01And I I remember I said to myself, I didn't know what I was going to do. It was so boring. I thought, "You know what? I'm going to just do the programs.
12:08Maybe I'll speak to the chaplain. Try to learn some stuff about stress and I'm going on 2 years since I went to that.
12:17There's not a day that I wake up I don't think about that place. Like in the things that I learned there and like just >> Like in a positive way? Yes. And like the people that I met there.
12:26And it goes back to like what you were talking about with why people become the way they are.
12:31I think I think I found out that a lot of people just have mental illness.
12:35Yeah. And it's not pronounced. Most people you'll never have it come across until something bad happens, something that puts them into a bad place happens.
12:45They lose a job, they lose a girlfriend or boyfriend, they lose a family member.
12:49Then it may persist and get kind of bad.
12:52Some people take it and they go to a whole 'nother place where they realize that life has been lost to them. They don't live for anything anymore.
13:03I'm going to just do what I got to do.
13:04I'm going to get known some way. I'm going to get known some way. Right. And that's what I've learned with a lot of these like if you look into like school shooters, a lot of the reason and rhetoric they do what they do is just to get known. Yeah. If you read in like Klebold and Harris, the Columbine shooters, Oh, yeah.
13:21they talk about that. They They like really wanted to be known for what they did. They wanted a legacy. That's what they talked about in their manifesto.
13:29>> I said it a little bit ago when you were starting to get into some of this stuff.
13:33I I said it comes back to one word, it's power. Yeah. People want to take back power in their life. You look at the terrorists, you look at the serial killer, you look at the school shooter, you look at the person that decides they're going to join the cartel cuz they're a part of something, join the mob cuz they're a part of something.
13:48They want to Even if Even if it's an organization like that, they want to feel like they're a part of something where they are above other people because for whatever reason they've been below other people.
13:57>> It's so interesting because there are certain guys like that I've researched that are that are terrorists. They're homegrown, like ones that lived here or Canada or Russia or something. And you'll find that a lot of them were neo-Nazis before they became Islamic.
14:10It's weird.
14:11But you'll find that they just want to be a part of something.
14:13>> Yes. And um But But that's That's the thing the biggest thing about what you said. Like I think a lot of people struggle with mental illness and I think maybe outside of the drug where I think mental illness is probably the biggest problem. And And what's really sad is like a lot of the people that were in that place, I was I ended up getting moved out of the criminal area.
14:30They moved me into the coed dorm, which was great because it was way better than the other. But But But I learned that the 32 people in my unit, all of them were on medication but me. Mhm. They're all on antidepressants >> Lithium, all that [ __ ] that zonks you.
14:44And then I see that Like the one good thing about this place, you know what it was? The food.
14:51It was insane.
14:52If I could eat lunch here every day, I would.
14:55It was that good? Yeah. And And I remember sitting there and I would I just spent a lot of the time observing people. And all the people, they had heaping plates of food three times a day. They're all overweight. They're all just depressed.
15:10And I'm thinking like maybe it's the food that they're eating. They just feel like [ __ ] all the time.
15:16And they're on medication that they maybe don't even need to be on.
15:20And I I learned quickly at that place that like once you say I'm not taking medication they don't care anymore about you. You can sign yourself out, go ahead. So long as you're not on insurance that's that's the that's the cheat code. I was and I was a self payer at the time. Self pay means I didn't have insurance at the time.
15:37So they realized that they're not going to be able to you know they can milk you for two weeks on insurance cuz insurance pays.
15:43Throw in the medication they're making a ton of money. I told them from the beginning I am you know you know I don't need it. I'm not taking medication ever.
15:52And as soon as I said that the whole tenor changed. Oh Jeff you're fine. You want to sign yourself out go ahead.
15:58Yeah. And and they didn't bother with me. If I didn't go to the groups they didn't care. Like they just get that bed freed up bring somebody else in. But this was right after your dad died. So did I mean do you think it's pretty hard to be normal after something like that? Like your mind's [ __ ] with you. And I've talked about like I I was dealing with some personal stuff just with I remember that week I was getting a lot of phone calls and people are just they wouldn't answer they would just hang up. And I I just felt like something was wrong. Like maybe I was a little paranoid you know.
16:30But I don't know something came over me and I I I do think that that night I I probably should have went to that place but what I learned is there's a lot of people that are struggling with that kind of thing. And some of it you know it's just very simple. Like they may go to a place like that and be fine. You'll never see it again. And then some just act in a like a like that kid that did the the Mangione that kid.
16:55You know he thought he could get on the front page of the paper and maybe make a change and he's going to take that. I'll do it. He definitely no no no normal person does stuff like that. Normal people don't decide hey I'm just going to go to New York and take out a a a CEO. Like no something something something cracked there. It doesn't work like that. So I don't know I think all of it's just really interesting and you know, I the mob just kind of was a thing that worked for me, but you know, I think I've learned that just in crime, there's just so many more interesting things too about it. Cuz the mob now is totally
17:30different, but it's these other groups that are way more interesting to me.
17:34You said your dad's the one that got you into all this stuff, too? Uh yeah, I I I think in a weird way. Like I remember when I was real young, 9 10 years old, kind of the way you you were talking about with A&E. I remember my dad at night would watch TV in his own room. He would watch like the History Channel and stuff. I remember those biographies would be on, you know, of John Gotti or Al Capone. And that was my first kind of interest in it. But I was always a kid that like I never played with like toys and stuff. Like I was watching the Weather Channel and like reading and stuff. And I loved
18:06history. You know, when I was a kid, I was big history guy. I loved watching films about war and things of that nature.
18:13And um I remember maybe 15, I bought the Gotti film, HBO version. Oh, yeah.
18:19>> Armand Assante. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I had it on DVD and I would watch it all the time.
18:24And I think early, and this is one thing I I actually referenced this when my father died. I spoke at his funeral and I talked about out of the three I have two siblings and out of three kids I was always enthralled by bad people, like villains. I didn't grow up in the hood. I wasn't a bad guy.
18:41>> root for the villains in the movie?
18:43And I remember particularly I got that Gotti film and I watched it. I thought just John Gotti is so cool. He's the coolest guy in the world. He's like regal. I'd watch these videos of him running down the street. They're cheering him on. And I thought this this guy's amazing. I remember at the same FYE that I bought the documentary or the film, they had a poster of John Gotti. Yeah.
19:06And I brazenly hung it on my front door to to bedroom.
19:13And you got to know, my dad is my dad was one of 15, okay? 15 kids?
19:18>> Yes. Holy [ __ ] >> not go to eighth grade. He started working for $4 an hour as a laborer for a mason.
19:26He built, you know, very big company.
19:28So, worked hardest work you'll know, greatest guy you'll ever know.
19:33And I remember and I thought and I remember referencing this. I remember he came home and I always remember my dad cuz I don't know if you know when your dad when he'd run up the steps, you would hear his legs like crack. I don't know if you ever remember that.
19:47>> Legs cracking?
19:48>> Yeah, like you you hear >> feet stomping. No, like when you when you when you're running up the stairs like maybe maybe not everybody does it, but yeah, I would hear my dad. I would always know it was him.
19:58>> see he should see a doctor for that. No, it sounded just like any guy, I guess. I don't know. But but I remember he he knocked he knocked on he knocks on my door, he goes, "What's up with that poster?"
20:08He goes, "John Gotti."
20:10He goes, "You know he's bad, right? Bad guy."
20:15I said, "Nah, he's cool." I said, "Dad, he's We watch him >> Don. Yeah, I said we watch him on TV like, you know, he he he he told the government to F themselves." He goes, And and I think he had tried to get through to me and he tried to get through to me my whole life and I think I only realized it when I started covering these people that they're all really bad people.
20:34>> Oh, yeah. And and I think back and I wish like if only I'd have listened like, you know, he was the hero you know, in the end for me, you know?
20:41>> Yeah, but yeah, you know what though?
20:43You're a kid. You don't know better and like you said, then you learn about it you figure it out. Sometimes it just takes that time to do it. Obviously your dad knew, but you know. But I think he probably at the time is like, "Why does he Why is that his hero?" You know? Like but I didn't know. I didn't know who John There's something but there's a difference between rooting for the Joker and Batman and rooting for John Gotti in a movie about John Gotti, right? One is like the [ __ ] you vigilante that, you know, kind of is seems like he could be a Robin Hood and is larger than life that being like John Gotti even though
21:14he's not, right? The other is like, oh, this is this is a sadistic psycho. He's killing people, right? There's a difference, but then there are people who do root for the Joker. They do root for Jeffrey Dahmer in the movie and it's like ooh.
21:27Yeah, and and >> Something's Something's off there.
21:29>> And that is a bit of probably a mental illness, maybe. I mean, but I I guess I'll just say this that that the mental illness problem is Oh, it's rampant. is Yeah, I mean, it's I mean, you think about you walk down the street, how many people you run into that are struggling with something.
21:46>> And again, most of them will be fine, but we're just throwing medication at the problem and it's like and it's in a way it's probably making them worse, so.
21:53It's a subscription model. Yes. Yeah.
21:55Yes, that's a big business, so. Real fast, Jeff, I just got to run to the bathroom, but we got to come back and talk about that 764 [ __ ] >> Let's do it. All right, we're back. So, you had hit me up about this new cult you've been looking into a bunch that I've never heard of that it sounds sinister as [ __ ] >> Yeah, I don't I don't think a lot of people know much about them. I mean, but but I think um in terms of like organized crime now, like this is I think where where we are, like outside of getting away from like drug trafficking and stuff like that, where we have these like organized extortion groups where
22:32and and there's a What's the name of this group again?
22:35This group's called 764.
22:37Okay, and it's it's really not just one group. It's all sorts of different groups. Um And they're basically based on Discord and other social media. And and I want to reference and I don't know if you'd ever get this girl on your show, but there's a woman on Twitter. She's an investigative journalist. I'll have to give you info on her. Her name is BX.
22:56She's done some incredible reporting on this group to the point of like she's been threatened by them. It's It's been pretty bad. And essentially what it is is it's a collective of chomos, bad people who target kids from communities on Discord, Roblox, and like maybe bulimic Discord groups, and like just kind of marginalized kids that are struggling maybe emotionally or mentally. And they kind of chummy up to them, try to be their friend, you know, whether it's friend or a love interest. Maybe they get them to send them a photo of themselves, tell them their name, where they're from.
23:37They then progress to grooming them essentially to send them photos of themselves. Jesus Christ. Whether it's >> They're doing this on Discord. Yes.
23:46Whether it's some naked or whatever, um they'll then do it.
23:50And that's when they have them. And they'll basically use this to extort them. And they'll say like And they're all a lot of them have become like very powerful in terms of they're doing this to so many people that the other kids in the group are looking up to the kids that are doing this. And you almost have to earn your way up to the top to do this.
24:11So what they'll do is they'll They'll get like some young girl and they'll say um And this has been documented. You can look this up. Um bite off your hamster's head on camera.
24:23If you don't do it, we'll put your pictures up.
24:26Um and and and I'm finding that like it's way more than that. Like they'll have people carve stuff into their skin, um mutilate themselves, um light themselves on fire, um kill people on camera, um Kill people kids kill people on camera.
24:45>> Yeah, there's a case out of Romania. Uh there was a kid that was involved with 764 where he was on a Discord call. It's recorded.
24:54He's on a Discord call where he's talking to a kid and and he says uh I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. And you see in the distance there's a little old lady. She's like taking her garbage out. He's like, "I'm going to do it."
25:06And he goes, "Show me." Oh, it's a video call?
25:08>> Yeah, it's a video Discord call. And the guy's like, "Show me." So, he shows him and he walks up to the lady, sprays her with like pepper spray, and she falls down and just starts kicking her in the head. And then he slashes her throat and he like walks off. He's like laughing and like he loves it. And they found out that he was part of 764 and he was this pedophile basically that um was wanted by Interpol. He was like 15 years old.
25:34And basically he was part of this group.
25:36And what this BX has uncovered is that 764 is kind of a faction, like a small faction on the internet, of an accelerationist group of people. And I don't know if you're familiar with accelerationism, but it's basically people that want to cause chaos in the world to unravel the social order.
25:57They they don't believe in They believe in primitive like ways of life where there's no government and there's no anything.
26:05And these are people that are a lot of them are based out of Ukraine and Russia and places like that. And they're largely from like neo-Nazi backgrounds or like hooliganism. Yeah.
26:14>> Where they believe in no order. And they're going to do what they have to do to upset social order. And if you look recently into some of the recent either school shootings or there was even a case in New York a guy can bring it up out of Wisconsin of a guy Nikita Kosep.
26:31He was arrested 2 weeks ago. Uh he killed his parents.
26:35And there FBI released documents that he was in contact with a person from a group called MKU. Um Maniac Murder Cult they're called.
26:44They're basically this acceleration group and he was going to flee to Russia and his goal was to kill the president. And their goal is they they come across and some of them are really high level.
26:56>> Kill the president here. Yes.
26:59And some of them like what they what they try to do is they search Discord with like 764 people and they try to groom them into becoming higher level operatives in a way.
27:09>> Oh my god.
27:11>> And the FBI is starting to take notice of this and putting out documentation of like press releases that if you're a person with a child in America you need to look at what and who your kids are talking to.
27:23>> It's terrifying, man.
27:25>> And the Fifth Estate, they're probably they're out of Canada, the Fifth Estate.
27:28They're a documentary channel.
27:31They do documentaries on all sorts of things. They did a fantastic documentary on 764. And they interviewed a girl who like her mother went to the to the Royal Mounted Police and they didn't even know what this group was. They were like you, they didn't even know who they were. And they just like chalked it up as like pranks and [ __ ] And what we have found is like Discord is a haven for this kind of stuff. And the guy that created 764 is this guy Bradley Cadenhead. And you said he was like 14 when he created it?
28:03>> 15 years old.
28:04>> Yeah, can you pull this kid up, Bradley Cadenhead? Out of Texas, 764.
28:08>> Charles Manson's kid.
28:09>> Yeah.
28:10>> one.
28:10>> He was probably like I've covered I've looked in a lot of bad people. This guy might be one of the worst people I've ever come across.
28:18>> the second picture, Alissa.
28:21Yeah.
28:21>> given 80 years or something?
28:23>> Yeah.
28:24Yeah, his name he went by Felix. That was his uh code name. But like some of like Wired and Washington Post and Der Spiegel, they've done some documentation on this group and um like if you read into some of the press releases of like what these people do, it's pretty unbelievable.
28:43>> he doing?
28:44I mean he was I mean there's a call where he talks about like he loved chuck CP like he he's obsessed with it and like he would he would get people I think he actually got the girl to bite off her hamster's head I think.
28:59Um like >> kid Yeah and like a lot of these people and it what's scary about it bro is like a lot of this is like people from Brazil, people from Romania, other countries and I would just urge people to like look into this group. They're real, this is not fake. Um over the last year we've seen dozens of people get indicted by the feds and given long prison sentences because a lot of these people are engaging in you know CSAM which is Yeah this is this is a really good Washington Post did a really good piece on it. They they're engaged in like child sex abuse material.
29:37>> Yeah. Um Yeah this is another one.
29:40>> what do you think this is? Do you think this is obviously we're seeing kids like Bradley potentially pawns on the board here who are doing the bidding of what the community Yeah that's what they call it the com.
29:51>> makes them to become.
29:53But do you think this is like an op? You think you think these are other governments trying to [ __ ] with I think people around the world. 764 people like this they're mostly just like young people that are just trying to >> Let me re-ask that question.
30:08>> Yeah.
30:09I'm not saying the young people aren't doing these things and aren't [ __ ] up.
30:12I fully believe that. I don't think that's an op. I think maybe they're being because the internet allows you to scan the whole world to basically create a magnet to find whatever you want for the best or worst ways. Do you think it could be like some sort of [ __ ] magnet that some government's doing It's possible. like chaos.
30:31>> I mean Discord as a whole is a disaster.
30:34>> I'm I'm really surprised that Discord still allowed to be operational in America. I mean and it's not just stuff like this. I mean there's some screwed up [ __ ] on Discord.
30:44I mean, everything from like some of the weird sexual communities, you know, like it's just and there are there are YouTubers that do really good work on like the dark sides of Discord, but it could be. I mean, I think it'd be a weird sub. Would it surprise me if, you know, like a Russia was involved?
31:02Probably not.
31:04What's weird is a lot of the people from that Maniac Murder Cult, which these are people that are essentially terrorists.
31:10These are people that like the guy that was running Maniac Murder Cult, he was arrested a year or two ago.
31:16Um he got talking to a undercover FBI agent who he was trying to get him to go to Times Square and hand out poison poison laced candy to kids.
31:28Like as like a a large-scale terrorist attack.
31:31>> The FBI agent was trying to get him No, he the guy was undercover he was talking to this this leader.
31:38The guy was undercover. He was trying to get the undercover to do this. He didn't know he was undercover. So, they're trying to do these like events that and if you look into some of the mass shootings recently, there was one out of Nashville.
31:49Um there there are some connections between them people those people and and kind of this belief. So, again, it's not it's not like my main area of something I'm focused I've just read into it recently and I've read some of her reporting and and I've watched some of the documentaries on it and it seems like the FBI is finally starting to take it seriously.
32:09But, you know, I would say if if you have a kid out there, maybe they're struggling with some things, make sure you're looking into their phone because these people are ruthless.
32:19It's very scary. The idea I'm I'm not a parent yet, but you know, bringing a kid up in the world now, like you can't be a [ __ ] helicopter with your kid cuz that's going to make them worse, but you know, especially with this, having access to this at a young age, there's kids are smart, man. They figure [ __ ] out and then they don't then then they're dumb, right? They don't figure out what they're figuring out and they get themselves into weird situations.
32:45It's very scary. And you can only parent so much.
32:48>> That's right.
32:49>> only be like you said, you can't be completely over top on your kid cuz they're going to want to go and do things. I think as long as you instill the right values, generally the kid'll be all right, but but nowadays again, I didn't grow up during that time where like Discord wasn't around when I was 12 years old, you know? Yeah.
33:05>> The internet really wasn't around up until I was like a teenager, so it's it's definitely scary, man. I mean, it's a a scary world out there and you know, these are the new ways that and again, luckily the FBI is starting to crack down on these people and make it really bad for them. Um but I would I would urge you even to to take a look at the rabbit hole of that. You know, some some >> Did you find out about this from BX you were saying? Is that where you first heard of >> out so I found this out through um the best channel I've ever come across on YouTube. Um is a channel called Disturb Reality.
33:41I I I I've talked to him. I've interviewed him. He is the best creator I've ever seen on this type of content.
33:50>> like I I want to see Yeah, he um It's the first one.
33:54Okay. First one.
33:56>> First one. He essentially covers um disturbing content on video. And he talks about everything from cartel executions to um viral videos. Um I don't know if you know, but there's a there's a weird community on the internet of people that are interested in gore. Oh, yeah. We've talked about it before.
34:16>> And That's like even the run the gauntlet [ __ ] right, Alessie? Yeah, so everything from like rotten.com, that stuff years ago. Um but there is a subset of like these videos and he basically watches them so you don't have to.
34:29Uh and he not not includes what happens, but he tells the backstory. And he's actually, if you like cartel history, he's actually really good. Yeah, I um I haven't seen this channel before. I want to >> But he um he's done some He's done some videos on 764. He did a video about some of the stuff they were up to. And he actually covered the Romanian murder. Um he did a video and that's where I'd gotten it on my wavelength and I started looking into them and I realized like this is organized crime at this point. This is a a a group of people who are kind of governing a certain way of doing things
35:03and they're they're they're picking on people, really. And it's sad cuz like there are a lot of situations that I found that people are actually offing themselves uh on behalf of of this this group. And they feel like they, you know, and this is the first I'm hearing about this group, but this phenomenon you're talking about where people, you know, get involved in [ __ ] online and then feel like they have no way out and off themselves. It's like they're afraid to talk That's the other sad reality here. They're like a when it's kids, they're afraid to talk to their parents about it and bring them in
35:35cuz, you know, they're like their parents They think they're doing something wrong. Yeah, they'll be disappointed. So it would be easier on my parents. Like that's where they get themselves. I'll just do this.
35:43And it's so What I think I think this is the sad like dénouement that we're in because of like coronavirus, right?
35:52>> Mhm. I could think a lot of this stuff was introduced with that where like kids just had like essentially a year where they were able to Yeah, well we had nothing to do and the people like this like they're opportunists, they're leeches, and they're going to prey on weak people. And that's the sad part is they're going after weak people.
36:13>> Yes. Most of the people involved in doing this, like you just said, are are kids. They're other kids doing this. And most of them are larpers. They're mostly just like jerk-offs like, you know, with no social standing. They're incels like and and they they feel in a world like the biggest losers in the world are Reddit moderators, right? Like they're just like goofy like larpers who have no power in the world. They do nothing in life and that's their job. And we see on Discord it's the same way. It's just these goofy people that have no power in the world and this is the only power they own. And then they then take it and
36:50they turn it inward and they just bully people, you know? I'm I'm blown away Discord still's around. Like I Yeah. I I thought it would have been gone by now.
36:59>> I was telling you off camera it's like the 4chan of COVID. Yeah. You know, but what what you say about And look into 4chan and how connected 4chan is to school shootings to Oh, yeah. to to all this stuff, you know? It's There's a lot of people that use it.
37:14>> And it all goes back to the one incel moment, Columbine.
37:18Every shooter references that.
37:22And and when they in their manifesto said, "We want this to be bigger than Oklahoma City and all this other stuff."
37:28It has been. Outside of September 11th, it is the most insularly bad moment this country has seen in 25 years.
37:37>> Yeah. No, it's and and it's >> Because it's ushered in >> created a movement.
37:40>> Yep. It's and it's ushered in social rejects that worship it and then act it out. And you make you made a great point a little bit ago where you were talking about the the profile of these kids. It's it's always it's always the same.
37:55>> Yep. You know.
37:56>> It's kids who feel you know, and look, there are a lot of kids that are bullied. We were all bullied at one point. But we're seeing now it's a lot of them are just like there are a lot of bad ones now, a lot of bad kids that that are neo-Nazi views or or like and you wonder like how does this go on in someone's house you don't know. Like if you're you're Yeah. I mean you really don't know what the kid's doing behind don't >> behind that black thing at the back. So >> You see what those algorithms do, man?
38:24Regardless of what platform you're on.
38:25Could be everything from [ __ ] Instagram to YouTube to 4chan. And like I will also say like and I'm sure this creator will tell you the same thing.
38:34I've seen every video on the surface web probably that's bad that you can see.
38:41And like I know after a while like I watch a cartel execution video or two and I'm like I got to stop watching this. Yeah.
38:51And like you think about these young kids, they sit there and watch this [ __ ] all day.
38:55They then sit and they play a game that's so real that you know, how can you not play it and think it's real after a while?
39:03You begin to realize like maybe this is part of my life and this is me. That's right.
39:08And that's why like I remember when when they blamed video games on this stuff and people are like, "Oh, you can't blame music or video games." And it's like I hate to tell you you can.
39:18You definitely can. It gets It gets weird because you have to especially living in America, you got to have a free market which is a free market of ideas and a free market of people being able to make decisions. It gets very strange when those decisions involve kids and that's where you have to put the onus on parents. But then parents aren't around and is that their fault? And then the kids make decisions and Well, they got around that because they put that Remember that thing on video games? It was for 18 and older.
39:46>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But you they never >> Right. Yeah, it's just a lawyer figured that out. People thought like, "Oh, if we put this on like I'm sure the people at the store won't sell it." It's like Yeah, it's it it is definitely affecting our kids. And then you add in like COVID to me, that period was you know, I guess you could say intentionally or unintentionally depending on what actually [ __ ] happened there. It was the worst type of Trojan horse because it put people in this, all right, we're all to band together by going inside and going away from [ __ ] and that and then by the way
40:21this is going to last a lot longer so you're going to get used to it. You're going to get used to the comfort of not, you know, going past your [ __ ] family room and not having a purpose other than to play video games and [ __ ] around.
40:31>> do it. And you have to do it.
40:33>> There's no other choice. And everybody's going to do it so it'll be fine.
40:36>> Yeah. And everybody massively goes to the computer.
40:39And before you know it these communities pop up and it's I just wonder what will happen next, you know, cuz it just all evolves and gets worse and worse a lot of this stuff.
40:49It's uh But luckily like I said the FBI is starting to look into it a little bit and you know, hopefully they're bringing awareness to people and like I said if you have kids just you see that Discord thing you better look through that cuz >> Oh, [ __ ] yeah. Um you know, it'll come across very innocent. It'll be like, "Hey, you know, I was a bully once, you know, do you need help, you know?" All the high-level government people that I talk with, every single one, their kids do not have phones.
41:20I was always curious about like um I don't have kids and you said you don't either. I mean I didn't get a phone till I was 15.
41:31>> Yeah, same.
41:31>> I mean and I think I ended up getting it myself. I just wanted one so I went out and got a prepaid. But like like it wasn't it wasn't uh >> No, I got to get the lines checked.
41:41>> Yeah, it wasn't uh it wasn't like it is now. Like you'll see like four or five-year-old kids they have phones. It's Oh, yeah, it's crazy.
41:49>> What could have What does a four-year-old need a phone for?
41:51>> Oh, I again, those same people I just talked about when you start asking them about it they get grim. Well, that's the thing.
41:58>> about those examples like you have no idea what you're doing in this.
42:00>> I was talking to my mother about that because um like we have like nieces and nephews and stuff that are that are younger and like when you if you take like the iPad away they like start crying.
42:10>> Yeah. And like the the parents will say like I just give it to them and it's almost like a way to parent actually at this point where like you don't want to hear them so you just give them the iPad and it's like what you're doing is you're doing that day after day for years on end kid turns into a robot and it's like what did we do wrong? When I was a kid we like you know you're same age we played outside we colored we you know did stuff with our parents we went to amusement parks like nowadays you're away for summer break you're playing this game and that game and Fortnite and all this other stupid
42:45stuff. Now I'm not saying I never played video games >> Of course you did. but that was before we went out and played outside you know?
42:52Yeah my mom used to have a line from the pre-iPhone era when I was a kid where she's like you can't let the TV be a babysitter. Yep. And and now like I mean forget a TV you got the phone you got the iPad there's screens on everything everything's a babysitter.
43:08>> And if you don't I think if you don't do that for your kid they almost guilt you when they're old enough as you're not a good parent my my all my other friends have this why can't I?
43:17>> And that's such a tough battle too.
43:18>> I don't because you know what do you do? Yeah there's stuff where parents do get too helicopter and protective and just can't let their [ __ ] kid be a kid I'm with that but that's going to be a weird battle when it's like there is something that's it's not like oh you can't see this movie or something like that but it's like oh I don't want you addicted to a [ __ ] you know 4 and a half inch screen for the rest of your life in the palm of your hand so even if your friends have this I don't want you to have this yet like that is where it's going to get very weird.
43:50>> advocate I mean I just told you I worship John Gotti as a kid so it's like I I think you just kind of hope that you do enough for your kids and they learn enough >> grow out of that though that's not an addiction.
44:00>> That's just an addiction that's that's the thing.
44:02>> You know what I mean? That's the thing >> I'll take the John Gotti worship all day.
44:06>> Yeah yeah had on the front bedroom door.
44:08Yeah. I thought Vito Corleone was really cool.
44:11In some ways I still do. I mean you watch Scarface, you think Tony Montana's cool, you know, it's that's what movies do and it's But but but as my father always said, it's just a movie. Yeah. You know, and it it's not real, you know, and That's right. Uh this, you know, as you said, the phone, it is real, you know, and and and everything you do and I've learned that the most. You've seen these videos. Some of these videos I'm not proud of. I wish some of these I could get off the internet. I mean, I've done a lot of things I'm not proud of.
44:39Um but but as I know very well, the internet lives forever.
44:43>> Yeah. Because you could have something removed, but if someone's already screenshotted it, Oh, it's there. Yeah.
44:49So everything you do now, I mean, when you're out on the, you know, talking to somebody and something happens in the court, you don't know who's pulling a phone out. It's And they only they only take a certain part of it and send it to TMZ or or or to some news company, so it's Yeah, it's uh It's scary. It's a it's a wild world. And and that's why your mafia and group like that, that's why they'll never last because you you can't get a you can't get in front of technology. Right. Back in the '30s, you could kill somebody and you'd be fine. Yeah.
45:20The mob, you know, and groups like that, they can't do this anymore. You go to this city right here, there's a camera every 20 ft.
45:25>> Oh, it's so, yeah. You know, so it's >> advanced in that way. I guess some of that's good.
45:29>> So what they do is now the groups are on the internet, right? Uh-huh. Crypto and all that stuff. 100%. Yeah, it's an interesting world. What what happened with you leaving Barstool, though? I I didn't get to ask you about that cuz that's not like a lot of that wasn't discussed. You don't have to say anything you don't want, but >> No, no. So I um So I worked at Barstool two different times. The initial time, that's actually wild. So I originally got hired in 2020, March of 2020.
45:58I remember I went up to New New um I think it was March 12th of 2020.
46:05I remember the day before I went there, the first coronavirus case was reported in New York City.
46:12And I thought, "Wow, this is this is interesting. Wonder what come Wonder what will come of this." And I remember getting on the train that day, there was no one on the train.
46:20It was It was insane. The Amtrak, it was There was no one on it.
46:23>> Yeah. And uh I remember going up and we did a radio show that day and I remember Portnoy said to me, he he asked me to come in there cuz cuz I had planned to start The NCAA tournament was about to begin. Oh, that's your [ __ ] Super Bowl. And that was my first kind of foray into Barstool.
46:39And I remember as the week went on, they they canceled the tournament.
46:42>> Yes, I remember that well.
46:43>> "Holy [ __ ] this is real now." I remember Dave said to me, he goes, "We're kind of stuck right now." He goes, "Just take the summer and let's see if football if football comes and uh we'll bring you back, you know, you could start then." And I I remember what I I went home that night and I thought, "Wow, I have probably the worst luck in the world.
47:04I finally get a job at Barstool. I've been in content for 10 years. This is going to take me to the next level and I can't start because of this."
47:14And that's actually what ultimately led me to to lose weight. I remember I said to myself, "You know what? I have a few months here. Nothing's going on. I'm going to finally deal with this now."
47:26And um September came that year and I I think I remember we had Remember it was like no fans and stuff? Oh, yeah, in the stands.
47:35>> Yeah, and um I remember I got hired back and I worked till the following February.
47:42And I had a I had a a beef with a coworker.
47:45Uh this guy, Rico.
47:47And it was really >> Bosco? Yeah, yeah.
47:49It was really bad cuz it got really toxic for me, man. Like he um What was the beef over?
47:55I couldn't tell you.
47:57He just doesn't like me. Yeah. Um and what he would do is he would go to like co-workers and be like if you work with Nadu, we're done. I'm not working with you.
48:05And he kind of just [ __ ] ruined it.
48:07Like it got really bad. Like to the point of I had a podcast, he tried to like sabotage it. He actually was um hiring people to like attack me on the internet through burner accounts. Oh, no.
48:19>> My family. It was really bad.
48:21>> too?
48:22>> Yes. Yeah, absolutely. And um PFT actually found out about it and um it was it was bad for a while and it just got really toxic and I you know, as someone who and I've never really talked much about this, but I've always been able to make money off the internet. I always know that if the going got tough and I left Barstool, I could go right back to what I was doing. And I thought, you know what? This isn't what I want, you know, I'm I'm just going to I'm just going to leave, you know, I don't want to deal with this. And I I ended up resigning.
48:49And I was always connected to Barstool.
48:51I'd always was involved with [ __ ] and um you know, case you had to be involved with something that was going on and and I remember at the end of 2021, I got asked to do Rough N' Rowdy, which is the boxing, yeah.
49:03>> Yeah, I remember all this content.
49:04That's incredible.
49:05>> Yeah, one of the employees, he called me out, Jersey Jerry, and we we fought at the we fought December 10th, 2021. Yeah.
49:14And um in West Virginia. Yep.
49:17>> No laws. Yep. I wasn't up an employee there at the time. We did really well. I don't made a bunch of money and I went back to doing what I was doing. I actually started the Sit Down in uh in 2021 that year.
49:29I remember 2022 came and Barstool called me. It was uh June of that year, 2022, and they said, "Hey, we're doing this Bar- it was a Barstool Idol, it was called. It was essentially, I think 12 people uh vying for jobs at the company.
49:45>> Yeah. And we did like all sorts of different things like um we made our own videos, we did content, like all sorts of different things. And um they called me and said, "We'd like for you to participate in it."
49:58Now, you're not going to win, Oh, they told you that up front?
50:02>> Yeah. Basically, you'll get a bunch of views, it'll be great for your profile, like and maybe you can impress Dave a little bit. Yeah. So, I said, you know what? It was June, I'm like, [ __ ] it.
50:11I'll do it.
50:13They said, you got to come to New York for, I think it was 5 days, 4 days. And every night someone would get voted off.
50:18It was like Survivor, basically.
50:20>> Yeah. But planned out ahead of time.
50:22>> Yeah. At least for me. But we did all these competitions and um I remember that day Dave was like, you know, "Nadeau was great this week, like maybe maybe he'll come back, maybe he wants to come back." And I ended up going back uh that few months later. And uh So, you always maintained a good relationship with him.
50:39>> Yeah, I always maintained a good relationship. And then 2023 came, Best World ended, and um my contract was coming up. I had thought it was coming up. It was a year contract. I had signed the contract in, I think, June of '22, so it was coming up in summer of '23.
50:55And Dave's guy, Gaz, came to me and said, "Hey, you know, what are you thinking for another year? Do you want to stay?
51:02We want to have you back.
51:04We're going to pay you $10,000 more."
51:06And I said, "Oh, cool." He's like, "Do you have a number though you're looking for? We're willing to work with you."
51:12And I had talked to people that worked at the time, and I'd found out what they were making, or at least what they told me they were making.
51:18And I had looked at The Sit Down. I was making money on YouTube, was making money on this podcast. I had all sorts of things I was doing. Was doing a lot of gambling content. And I thought 200 for me was the number I wanted. So, I went to him, I said, "200."
51:33He said, "All right, let me talk to Dave."
51:35Go to Dave.
51:37And Dave goes, "200?"
51:40He goes, And he said that just like he definitely said it. Yeah, he he he basically he basically was just like, "We're not doing 200." He's like, "We'll bring you back." And then I had found that I guess in the contract it was a year contract with an optional year for year two at their option.
51:58>> Their option, yeah.
52:00Which they picked up and said, "We'll bring you back and we'll give you $10,000 more."
52:05He said, "You could take that or walk."
52:09I walked.
52:10That day they do the rundown, which is their daily thing they do. I'm the story. #Nate Do.
52:17>> Yeah, it was a huge video. I remember the day after New York Post puts me in it. You look that up. Jeff Nadu New York Post. Um and I I I told you off the the air um So my father My father Dave Portnoy calls Jeff Nadu selfish pig over Barstool Sports exit contract dispute. Yep.
52:43So he My dad >> he wanted 200 a year. My dad calls me and he goes, "You see her on the New York Post?" I said, "No." He goes, "You should be proud of that headline." I said He said You wanted what you wanted and you left. And you know, they made a big deal about it and it was a problem for a while and then you know, things kind of go past it and I think we're probably in a good place now. Yeah, part of it's content. I mean, come on.
53:06>> It is.
53:07>> He's having fun. He's getting in the New York Post.
53:08>> And I know that and and and I think in the end like I think I just got to a point and I'm at that point now with Barstool where I think I'm just kind of past that point in my life. Like I always realized like to me doing what I like to do, owning it and and I think nowadays you can make a good amount of money owning stuff in media, right?
53:28>> Yes. And doing content and make getting views and building your own things. Plus I'm in control and I've learned that about me. I can't work with people. I need to be in control of everything. And that's just how I prefer to do it. I have to do a lot more probably, but that's just how I like to do it. And I mean in companies like that, like you can only make one amount a lot of the time. I've learned in what I do, I have multiple sources of income, right? So, you know, like I told myself this year like Instagram is something that I wanted to conquer. I'd never really used it. Um and I said, you know, this year
54:00I'm going to focus on trying to build Instagram a following on Instagram and build a following on Tik Tok and and all this. So, I was able to do it and and now I'm at a point where I make what I want to make. Um do I want to do this my whole life? No, there's a day where all this will end for me. I won't be doing >> Go away. I'm not going to do it at all anymore. And I I always look at it like this and I and I'll end this with how I looked at my life always.
54:24In Casino, at the beginning of Casino, hear me out.
54:28Uh De Niro's character is this like sports better, he's very, you know, good at Ace Rothstein. Yeah, sure.
54:35And he goes through all this crazy [ __ ] right? He's He's the the you know, he runs Tangiers, he's on TV, he's a part of the Chicago outfit essentially. He's involved with this crazy guy. They they try to whack him, blow his car up, you know, all this [ __ ] happens.
54:52And in the end, he's right back where he started, in his house, betting on sports.
54:59And I always envisioned in a weird way my life like that, where like I started gambling as a kid. And I remember so many nights like in my early 20s where I bet way more money than I had.
55:12And I remember sitting alone in my house, watching the games, sweating them out, and a lot of the time winning, and thinking like, this is what I enjoy.
55:22I love college football. I love Like there's nothing better to me on a Saturday morning betting my games and just enjoying that.
55:31That's my happy thing, you know? And I envision like I did all this stuff. I worked at Barstool. I fought on pay-per-view. I um was on the New York Post. I've interviewed mobsters. I've I've I've went to a a a mental facility because they thought I was a mobster and I wasn't. Like it all this crazy [ __ ] that went on. Like someday I just And social media as we talked about is just crazy.
55:55>> Mhm. I just want to get to a point someday where I just it's not my life anymore. And I've honestly always wanted in the next year or two to like own a a real business. Like something I can touch, you know, whether it's food or or something like that.
56:10>> Didn't you say your dad ended up owning a business? My Yeah, my dad was involved still is. My family are very involved in in business. My dad always taught all of us as kids to never work for anybody. Go out and create a business. And my brother and sister have their own businesses and like I have as well, but I I want a business that I can touch, you know, that like I don't need to get views to get paid, you know, like something that I can be proud of and I can go to every day and you know, honestly in my later life like I want to I want to help kids. Like that's always been my goal. Like I've always wanted
56:42just make a bunch of money and just help kids. And I'll I'll I'll leave this story.
56:48And it's actually pretty local to where we are. Uh you're familiar with um Bobby Hurley?
56:54Of course. Okay. So, he's one of my heroes. Um and the reason for that is Bob Hurley? Yeah, I don't know how much you know about him as a guy, but he basically was a probation officer for years in Jersey City and he became a basketball coach at Saint Anthony.
57:11>> Mhm.
57:12And he never he never took a salary. And the little salary that they gave him, he gave to the school.
57:18>> Yeah. And and he won four national titles and dozens of state titles. They were a powerhouse. Yeah, and he he took so many kids to the NBA and he he did it all just because he loved basketball.
57:29And he never went and got a job anywhere else, and he just helped kids become men and become productive members of society. And I look at like all this [ __ ] I've done, like the stupid stuff I've said online. Like, I almost want to like do something good for once, you know? And like I think young men are just There's just not a lot of leaders.
57:50And I want to In my The town I live in, um we have a public school, and I I've always wanted to just be a coach and just maybe have a business and just disappear from all this media stuff and just I don't want to look in a mobster's eye my whole life, so I think that's the end game eventually. But for right now, it's it's fun, and you never know where I'll go next with it, so.
58:12>> That's really cool, man.
58:12>> hear talking to someone like you, so.
58:14>> Yeah, man. Look, you're you're great at content. I I I love watching it, and I hope people who haven't heard of you before check out your [ __ ] But like, it's cool to see that you have like a kind of full circle give back thing about it. Like, you want to You want to get your own [ __ ] and have your own life and do things your own way, which that's exactly what most of us want to. But then you also want to want to do something cool and to look up to someone like Coach Arlie, who obviously, you know, his kids are now famous as well.
58:40And have done some amazing things. Like, that's that's pretty awesome. Yeah, so it's uh you know, but for right now, it's it's what I'm doing is fun, and yeah, people are learning a lot. It's cool like I'm sure you have it happen to you. Or maybe you don't, but you ever think you're you're huge? I ever think people come up to you People come up to you.
58:57Do people come up to you and say they know who you are?
58:59Very rarely. So with me, I guess you're at bars. Yeah, with bars, so I guess they do. Like, in my town where I live, I can't go to certain bars because I just I just I just be taking pictures all night with people. Yeah. So like, but I think it's cool like when someone comes up to me and they're like They're like, "Hey, uh I saw that episode you did on, you know, so-and-so." Like, "Or I saw you on TikTok." Like, that's the coolest thing that ever happened, like no matter what. I can make all the money, but like someone come up to me and be like, "Hey, I I really like that content." Or that was really cool that you shared that. That's
59:32super cool, so.
59:33I don't know if I could ever let go of that. That's the cool part of all this, but uh Well, you're scratching your itch, too. You're making content about stuff you love, too. Yeah, whether it's >> the NFL draft or >> Yep. you know, the mob or something. And I I if you follow me, I can't say you won't be offended maybe at some point, but No, you're I I mean this, you're a great follow and it's funny as [ __ ] You comment on all kinds of random [ __ ] as well, and I'm here for it. Especially like on the new Twitter, like It's good stuff.
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