0:01I've kind of just been growing here and there. Uh putting out some content lately. Lately, I've been doing these AI vid videos with the concisadors, retelling the history of that first contact moment.
0:13>> But for the last few years, I've been uh chasing mysteries down in South America, North America.
0:19>> Yeah. You've been on the ground, you were telling me.
0:21>> Yep. On the ground. And um kind of got a smorgus board worth of stuff we can talk about today. So, uh, excited to be here.
0:29>> Of course, there's there's a lot on the bone, for sure. But your whole what was really cool is like first of all, you're living down in Puerto Rico right now.
0:37How'd you end up down there? That's I I heard amazing things about it.
0:41>> Grew up in Kansas, landlocked state, and uh decided I needed to be near an ocean.
0:46I love Latin America. Got easy access to South America down there and uh so I've been over there for going on like a year and a half now. So, Puerto Rico's home now. I love it. That's awesome. Where are you in Puerto Rico?
0:59>> San Juan. San Juan.
1:01>> So, [sighs] you were telling me though that the west coast of Puerto Rico is like a pretty pretty wellkept secret.
1:08>> Yeah, West Coast. Uh I don't know if it's too much secret like it's Renone is where a lot of the Puerto Ricans go and uh vacation. They call it Gringone.
1:17There's a lot of greeningos that live there.
1:19>> So, uh but that's the surf capital of the Caribbean. M >> big waves like big swells out there on the north side of northwest side right there. It's kind of a cool area because you got the northwest side is huge waves like pipeline level waves um during certain seasons and then you just go around the corner of Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico's small island.
1:42>> Yeah.
1:42>> And those waves calm down and so you got these, you know, flat, you know, water where you can see islands out there for miles. Yep. Oh, it's beautiful. Hey guys, three quick things. Number one, if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. It's a huge, huge help.
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2:14>> I love Puerto Rico. Shout out to Puerto Rico and everybody there. Uh, my Spanish is getting a little better. It's a little rough.
2:22>> No, you're still not fluent in it.
2:24>> You're not not fluent. But, uh, >> did you know any before you went down?
2:27>> Yeah, I've been traveling around Mexico and South America for four years. But food food and like drinks, no problem, man. Like my [laughter] my my like number one interaction in Spanish is always ordering in restaurants. But, uh, Puerto Rican Spanish is really fast.
2:44>> And so, I have to ask them to slow down.
2:47But they also speak a little bit of um Spanglish over there. Like these are all American citizens. Yeah. Right. So there's a little bit of a little bit of a blend. Yeah. I love it down there.
2:57>> That's our that's our 51st state.
3:00>> Hey, it's a >> Everyone says Greenland, but you know, >> right?
3:03>> I feel like Puerto Rico's got the inside track there. No to >> Well, you know, Puerto Ricans, you know, they've been Americans. They've had American passports. They've served in the military >> for a long time now. So, it's definitely its own vibe there. Separate from they're I feel like Puerto Ricans first and foremost, like where their pride is, you know, kind of like a Texan >> uh maybe. But, um yeah, like Fourth of July, it was hopping. They were celebrating.
3:31>> Yeah.
3:31>> Little American patriotism down there.
3:33>> Absolutely. It's a little warmer down there right now, too, huh?
3:35>> That's nice. That was quite the the difference. When I landed here, I got this hoodie. That's all I brought.
3:41[laughter] And it was cold, man. I would have told you. Back at Jack, >> it was cold.
3:46>> We just had like one of the more historically cold like week and a halfs we've had in a long time. I'd be walking in the gym in the morning and it would say like the temperature is three and with a wind chill minus 13. I'm like, well, I guess I want to be awake when I get in there.
4:01>> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. You don't need to do the cold plunge after the sauna. You just walk outside.
4:06>> We don't have to do it artificially. We got it in our bones.
4:11>> But like I was saying, you got a great channel. You were shouted out by Michael Button when he was in here and you and I have a close mutual friend as well in Luke Caverns. Yes.
4:20>> Who speaks really highly of your work, but you do a lot of different types of topics and I for one you you referenced it. I don't know if we were on camera yet when you did, but you referenced, you know, some of the AI storytelling as well. I really like how when you did, for example, the history of the Aztecs, which we'll talk about today because you did an amazing job with that, but like you were using creating like AI to create the scenes >> and everything. And like to me that's a good use of AI cuz we don't have like >> footage from you know 1500 and [snorts] like that to be able to tell
4:55historically in a documentary format on YouTube here's what's happening and to be able to kind of show people what that might look like.
5:02>> Really really good stuff man.
5:03>> Appreciate that. So a lot of people they're still we're still getting used to this idea of using AI for whether it's B footage or just a fullon documentary. Um, and for me it wasn't even necessarily I don't even call it a documentary. I kind of just call it a like a Spanish versus Aztec video. Um, there are there are things happening with AI that are going to allow people like me with a history teacher budget to do things that Hollywood would have it would take $10 million to do several years ago. I'm not saying we're there yet or that I'm there yet, but that's why I'm getting interested in in it. A
5:43lot of people talk about AI slop, and that's true. There is a lot of AI slop out there. I'm guilty of some AI slop, >> but my goal is to keep getting better at it because I prom it's it's rapidly developing. Um, >> and I think history is a really good um way to use it in particular because >> Hollywood doesn't ever do anything with the concistadors. It's a very tab. I don't want to say it's a taboo subject.
6:10It's a very sensitive subject. And for me, I'm ready to make it. I think the Spanish vers Aztec story is probably the most underrated story.
6:22>> Agreed.
6:23>> That Hollywood has never really touched before.
6:26>> That moment of first contact where two worlds are colliding. Um, we have documentation of it. The Spanish wrote a lot of things down. And I got some words. I got some stuff to talk about with that, too, because a lot of people say they were lying and embellishing.
6:40>> I'm sure there's some of that, but I got some stuff to say about that later, too.
6:43But >> they've never made a Hollywood movie about it.
6:46>> Why? That's what I want to know. Why do you think it's so taboo for them to do that? And I say this as someone who, even though this isn't the exact topic, it was technically something fictionalized right before. I say this as someone who >> one of my favorite movies ever is Apocalyptto.
7:00>> Yeah. which is like cinematically beautiful and tells an amazing story.
7:07>> You know what I mean? And people really, especially over time, people that has aged so well. So, what why don't they go make something like on that time period with the Aztecs?
7:15>> It it's it's pretty fresh and I think it's uh a little too soon maybe for a place that's too like kind of politically correct like Hollywood. And 500 years, you know, there's still a lot that has developed since. And and I'm I'm kind of joking when I say it's too soon. Like it's been 500 years, >> but >> um I think it's I think it's a topic that a lot of people don't want to touch because it's so one of the reasons it's done so well, my video on Facebook, it's gotten millions and millions of views. I got 17 million views on Facebook in December just from reposting clips of all this stuff. You got to teach us. I
7:55don't I'm not even on Facebook.
7:56>> Facebook is where Facebook's where it's at. We can talk after this. The the boomers, shout out to the boomers. They will sit down and watch a video and they're all on Facebook.
8:06>> Uh so definitely get on there. And Facebook's monetized as well.
8:09>> If you know how to do I'm dead serious.
8:11If you like know how to do it and want to talk to me about that and want to just [ __ ] >> take a cut and do it.
8:17>> I know. Hey, hey, I'll do it for free. I got Michael Button on it. [laughter] He's he's cooking on there now, too. But my point is, one of the reasons it gets so many views and so many people uh care about it is because number one, it's a badass story. Like, it's the craziest story of all time. And we can talk about some.
8:36>> And then number two, it's a very controversial story. You should see the comments of in in some of those Facebook posts, man. You got one side accusing me of being a Spanish uh you know, apologist. You got another side accusing me of being an Aztec apologist.
8:53>> That means you're doing a great job.
8:54>> I appreciate that. I'm trying to. I'm not saying I'm getting everything right, but um I don't hide the fact that in these videos, these concisador videos, my primary sources are the Spanish. Um there are some pretty good sources for the other side of the story as well.
9:12Like Broken Arrows is a really good book that tells the Aztec side of the story.
9:16>> Broken Arrows.
9:17>> Broken Arrows.
9:18>> Pull that up. And um but one of my more controversial takes on this and I'll get grilled for this is anytime people talk about the Spanish and the Aztec a lot of times even academics will preface it with well the Spanish they were probably embellishing and they were probably lying about a lot of stuff >> and hey the victors write the history books.
9:43>> Yes. I have never seen any evidence that shows that the Spanish were any different than the Romans or anyone else in history. That's one big conquest. Of course, that's going to happen. But with the Spanish, what's interesting, and one thing why I take a lot of what they say seriously is there's three reasons here.
10:01They had their main religion, their their religion was Catholicism, right?
10:06But they kind of had this secondary religion going on with the crown. So as much as they were, you know, devout Catholics, their other thing that they were very devout with was the authority of the crown. And anytime they're writing something in history, especially Hernand Cortez and some of these um early concisadors, that is an official letter to the crown. And the concisadors, like anyone in human history, especially back then and well now too, they would be quick, I don't want to say backstab, but if if somebody was sniffing out a lie, they're going to they're going to rat on each other, I think. So,
10:49>> um I'm not saying that they didn't embellish. I'm sure they did.
10:55>> But it's the best primary source we have for what happened then. and I decided to go read those primary sources and start making videos about them. So [clears throat] >> that's a So you've read all this stuff?
11:07>> Uh, a lot of it. Yeah. So a really good website is Project Gutenberg.
11:12>> Project Gutenberg.
11:13>> Amazing. This site right here is they're basically their goal. I think it's a uh I don't think it's for profit.
11:20This site right here uploads all of I don't know if this is it right here. I think that's probably it. Yeah. Yeah. So 75,000 free ebooks. All of these are pime a lot of these are primary sources from the 1500s 1600s. They're basically trying to scan as many sources as they can to put up on the internet. Another one is wiki sources where you just get the their words how they were. Hernand Cortez's letter to the king. Bernal Diaz who was one of the concisadors that took um part of the Aztec and um Spanish.
11:56They have all of his work that you can read for free and all of it's copyright free at this point. They've been dead for, you know, 500 years. So, >> do you ever have any run into any issues with interpretations of what they're saying because they spoke differently when they wrote?
12:12>> Yes. And that's one thing to keep in mind. A lot of these people that translated these and a lot there's there's something called the black legend, I think is what it's called. And so a lot of the translations were done by English Anglo scholars.
12:27>> And so a lot of these Spaniards um that are historians have problems with some of their interpretations. They think it tries to make the concistadors sound a little worse than they were.
12:39>> Um but uh definitely a lot has changed linguistically since then, especially writing styles. And there's probably only a handful of people these days that could actually tell you exactly what they were writing. Um, but fortunately back in the 1600s, 1700s, 1800s, a lot of people were translating um these writings into English. And over the past couple years, my dad has been complaining about the fact that he's working out just as much as he always has. He's eating mostly the same stuff, but the fat around his stomach seems to just stick around and his energy is lower. A lot of people think that the
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14:40>> So once again, it's kind of the best we got and that you can say the same thing for any period of history.
14:46>> Absolutely. And and you make a really good point about any empire or kingdom or insert term like that here throughout history. Yes, it's always written by the victors and in some cases it's really slanted the wrong way and in other cases it's not and it's up to interpretation.
15:04But like to me, one of the tragedies of the zero to 100 internet culture we live in is exactly what the title there is.
15:15People either got to be zero or 100 on something. Meaning, I've used this example a lot, but like I studied the [ __ ] out of the Revolutionary War.
15:23>> Loved the Revolutionary War. Love the guys that did it. Incredible work. Y >> they were still imperfect men, right?
15:30>> 100%. So you can find things sometimes, by the way, things that actually even are written in the history books that just don't get mentioned in the documentaries and summaries and stuff where it's like, yeah, that was kind of up like we did it, you know, not the British.
15:43>> Meaning you could find that 10 15% that's like a little different than the story they're going to tell you at the US Constitution Center.
15:50>> Does that mean that you should therefore turn that 10 to 15% into a hundred and say, you know what, actually the revolutionaries were the bad guys. I wish the [ __ ] British won the war. No, you know, >> for sure. And for me, I just want to tell the story. So, let's let's give their story a ride here, basically. And on that note, too, the Spanish in their writings didn't hide their sins. They describe their massacres. They describe a lot of the things that, you know, did not did not age well throughout history.
16:24>> Justify it. Um they would they would try to justify it but they would talk about like the Cholula massacre. Have you ever heard of the massacre at Cholula?
16:32>> Actually yes but please explain this.
16:34>> So as Hernand Cortez has um already landed with his men. They are trying to get to um the Aztec capital. Right. So um it looks like we maybe got it pulled up here. They eventually get to Cholula which is in modern day Pueblo Mexico.
16:51I've been there three times now. By the way it's I think Correct me if I'm wrong on this. I'm pretty sure it's the largest pyramid by volume in the world.
16:59>> I think Luke was talking about this or Michael, one of them was talking about this. I think you're right.
17:04>> And he had his kalan allies. So that's the other part of this. He had his cowan allies with him who were arch okay >> archeneemies of the Cholulins who by the way the Cholulins are part of like the the Aztec Empire. Um, and the Slaskans are ready to they're ready to tee off. These guys are are not friendly with the Cholulins. And so basically Hernand Cortez or Bernald Diaz I think in this case writes about how um Hernand Cortez brings all the priests and the Cholulin um you know hierarchy into this square gives this speech about how they've all betrayed Monizuma the king and now they all must die and then
17:54in come the Taskans and it's just this massacre that happens. I think over 5,000 people were probably killed um all in one go.
18:03>> They like sliced their heads off >> just started at that point once the last cowins came in. Uh there was, you know, not much the 500 Spaniards could do to to stop what was going to happen next. I think women, children, >> you know, it was it's and they write about it. They write about it. And um yeah, the massacre of Cholula was an attack carried out by the military forces of Spanish concisador Hernand Cortez on his way to the city of Mexico Tennosan in 1519. Francisco Lopez de Gomorra indicates that the massacre of Cholula began after Cortez captured and killed Chelka leaders unleashing with
18:41this act the slaughter of 6,000 people in less than two hours. According to his letters of relationship, Cortez affirms that he made this decision as a prevent.
18:51Here you go. You just you nailed it. As a preventative action before a possible ambush by 20,000 Mexican soldiers.
18:58However, the accounts collected by Bernardino de Sahugun contradict this version since it is narrated that only unarmed Cholute civilians were killed.
19:10>> Yeah. So there you go. And so he's definitely trying to justify it.
19:14>> Yeah. Right. And you know regardless 6,000 people end up slaughter slaughtered. So it's you know and they they had to admit that that there wasn't any escaping that he knew he had to get ahead of that. So he starts writing this letter to the king and uh yeah not and there's there's so many more examples of that throughout history uh down in the you know at this place in um Kaha Mara Peru with the conquest of the Inca >> Pizaro and Hernando Desto uh were responsible for a massacre that killed about the same amount of people in Kaha Mara.
19:52>> Yeah.
19:53>> Uh not one Spaniard died. Uh they went and uh basically kidnapped Yep. Here you go. Right here. That's a that's a crazy >> painting right there.
20:02>> I remember Luke talked about that in episode 175 back in the day.
20:06>> That's the That's the King Atwalpa.
20:09Um and they they took they took him prisoner. I believe it's estimated, you can see what they say. I think it's like 5,000 people possibly died, maybe more.
20:18Not one Spaniard died and they caught them by surprise. You know, we live in this era, Will, of Starlink and places that were previously totally remote and inaccessible technically are also, if given the right resources, accessible at the click of a button. And yet, when I was out in the middle of the Amazon visiting Paul Rosley back in 2024, >> he's a cool guy. I I don't know him personally, but I love his I love his stuff. Sorry to interrupt.
20:49>> No, no, all good. But, you know, I could not help but think we were 100 miles past, you know, the most localized version of law enforcement, let alone military or anything like that.
21:04>> And in this era at that time, 2024, >> if [ __ ] happened out there, >> oh yeah, >> no one knows. No one's going to find out or whatever. Now, think about 500 years ago, to where, you know, you had to send a [ __ ] carrier pigeon across on three different boats. Hopefully two of them actually make it with the message to get there 3 months later and tell the government like what happened.
21:25>> Yeah.
21:26>> You know, you can say whatever you want to say and by the time they even find out about it, let alone make a decision, >> right?
21:32>> You're already [ __ ] 600 miles east of there already done it three more times over.
21:37>> Yeah, exactly. Uh did Luke talk to you about the uh dis the discovery of the Amazon? I put in quotations because this is the discovery. Yeah, >> this is the discovery by the concistadors. There was an entire civilization living there.
21:52>> Yeah. Before we get to Cortez, can can you explain what you mean by the entire civilization living there who obviously discovered it?
22:00>> Yeah. So, um, Graham Hancock's, uh, really put a lot of this out there, >> and you know, I'm sorry, I don't know the archaeologist names that have been working with the LAR down there, but they're finding huge settlements along the Amazon River, but one of the Pizarro brothers um, decided to go look for cinnamon. You know, they were always looking for gold, but cinnamon and spices was, you know, the real cash crop out there. And there was this idea that the city of gold and cinnamon was go they call it you know the place of Lacanella was going to be found up northeast. Um so they start going on
22:40this expedition with a guy that you mentioned earlier Oriana. And at some point there's another there's a frier with them named Gaspar de Carvajal.
22:50>> Yes.
22:51Gaspar de Carbajal and Oriana their men vol they start dying of hunger they've ate their horses all the pigs are gone um and so Pizaro stays behind they volunteer to go down the river just to go look for food and quickly found out they weren't turning back there was going to be no turning back and along the way they document what they describe as like an organized civilization with these gigantic wooden pillars that are carved intricately. I believe they're they're seeing mounds. You know, if you see like the mound builders out in the eastern part of the United States, I think a lot of the structures likely
23:31look like that. And we're seeing that today with the LAR imagery. But yeah, there's some crazy stories from that. A lot of massacres. Um but they were finding basically the way they sustained themselves was they'd go raid these native villages for their turtles. these natives were like one of their main sources of protein was river turtles like these gigantic [clears throat] Amazon river turtles. And when they'd go in there, they'd have like I guess you could call it domest I'm not saying they were domesticated turtles, but they'd have like these uh entire pins full of turtles that they would raid and some
24:10fish as well. So they had a whole system out there and you know I think it's estim I don't know the exact number of people that were living in there. That's not like Luke could tell you a lot more about that but that's one of my favorite stories because these people these concisadors basically have to build their boat several times rebuild their boat several times. They have to, you know, get as much metal as they possibly can and melt it down to create nails and they end up sailing back to Spain with these boats.
24:44Um, I think eventually they get to like uh the northern coast of Venezuela at some point, but it's a crazy survival story and really only for a few I think like 90% of that expedition died. Um, and then Oriana comes back, you know, which is just crazy to me. You survived once, he comes back and then he dies of fever on the second round um, in the Amazon. So, yeah, pretty rough.
25:12>> Yeah. And it's like, [sighs and gasps] it's so hard to even try to imagine what it's like to go to an entirely new world.
25:21>> Yeah. and then chart down something as treacherous as the Amazon River across an entire continent.
25:29>> Yep.
25:30>> And just everything around you could kill you.
25:33>> Yeah. There's one crazy story from there. There was this uh concisador unnamed. They just talk about one of the soldiers. He aimed his crossbow at a bird. when they were he was wanting to hunt a bird and while he was about to shoot the like nut of the crossbow falls off and goes into the water and then an hour later they catch a fish a catfish and supposedly the nut was in its stomach and so they got the nut back and all of a sudden you know I think they probably had just a handful of crossbows left so they were all thinking it was a miracle from God that they were able to replace this bolt uh that the crossbow
26:13had lost. So that's a that's one of my that's one of my favorite stories from there.
26:16>> What are the ch what are the chances of that? That's crazy.
26:19>> That's wild. Yeah. So yeah, canistador stories. My next one I'm going to go down and I'm still doing the research on this is going to be uh uh golly, what's his name? But Auire, if you look up a gu, >> I'm going to call this the craziest concisador of all time.
26:39>> What makes him so crazy?
26:40>> The man was a he was a mad man. So he start he comes to Peru and a lot of these guys are criminals when they come in the first place like it took not all of them but like a lot of them to get recruited from Spain to even come to the new world you know they're looking for anything >> and Auar if I'm saying his name correctly there >> ag 1972 >> I saw a movie with Kinsky is >> the wrath of God. That's a sick title.
27:14>> That's on that's on. Okay. For forgive my gringo accent.
27:19>> That's all good.
27:20>> And so he he shows up in Peru.
27:24>> That's why I said Puerto Rico guy, not Puerto Rico.
27:26>> Exactly. Exactly.
27:27>> Shout out to my Puerto Ricans.
27:29>> It's a struggle. But uh he shows up in Peru. And the crown actually had laws against enslaving the natives. And you know, they did. They did. they did from like pretty early on, but enforcing those laws was obviously not going well. [laughter] And Agu here, Lope Agu, he gets caught basically um manipulating and exploiting the natives. And so a a judge sentences him to a flogging, basically public humiliation where they all, you know, kind of beat on you for a little bit in front of the entire public. And the story is, and it might be on this Wikipedia page here, the story is that he never forgot that. And
28:16he followed that judge for three years across Peru, Ecuador, and just was trying to go find this guy so he could get his vengeance. finally.
28:26>> Oh, the judge was over there.
28:28>> The judge was down in I believe it was down in like the Cusco region. Yeah.
28:31>> Interesting. Okay.
28:33>> And so he gets he gets uh word that Aguer is looking for him.
28:37>> And Aguir is just marching across north south of the Andes. Basically his entire mission for three years is to find this judge and he finally catches him and kills the guy. And just as like [ __ ] was about to hit the fan for Aguer and justice was about to come, they needed him and any man they could get to like suppress some rebellions that were happening. So they kind of forgave him real quick. [laughter] And so quickly all these concisador men, they quickly realized, we need to get rid of these guys. We need to go make them useful somewhere else before they all start a rebellion. And they send
29:13them north once again to like the land of cinnamon, Lockanella, looking for the lost cities of gold, all these different legends of Elorado basically just to give them something to do. And I don't want to well, we'll we'll talk about it.
29:27So, basically, I didn't want to spoil it because I'm about to make a video on this, but whatever. Let's do it. Let's give it to y'all.
29:32>> Everyone still go watch the video. It's going to be it's going to be a banger.
29:36>> Aguer is just kind of a soldier. He doesn't really have any authority, but very quickly starts playing his cards to start a mutiny, to start a rebellion, and starts whispering, you know, complaints about the guy in charge. And pretty soon, him and some guys get together and they kill the main uh captain. Do you know his name by the chance, Joey? The the actual guy they end up murdering.
30:04So, >> might be on his Wikipedia. Weir takes over and they're starving. They're on the Amazon at this point.
30:14>> Yeah, keep going.
30:14>> And he and he uh and he basically makes it a rule that if anyone is unenthusiastic that day, they must be planning re rebellion. And so he just starts killing everyone left and right.
30:28People are paranoid. He writes a letter to the king declaring himself the new king of like of um of eventually when he gets up to Venezuela that territory that he no longer serves the king >> and the guy's just a total madman. Long story short, they make it to the island of Margarita which is right off the coast of Venezuela. How they got from the Amazon to the island of Margarita just venturing up these different streams and channels and tributaries.
30:57>> Can we map that? Yeah, it's there is a map there. There's definitely a map up there >> and it's also by the found it. So, a year later, agree participated in the overthrow and killing of Ursula and his successor, Fernando de Guzman. So, that's referring to. Yeah, let's see this map. That's uh >> even off the top of my head.
31:16>> Let's pull up South America.
31:17>> If you put in [sighs] uh if you put in his name and then like concisador map.
31:26Okay, let's see here. There's got to be one.
31:30>> Yeah, this one might be.
31:32>> We could almost follow it on Google Maps though, right? You could like if we look up I know he for sure goes up the Rioenegro from the Amazon at some point.
31:40So if you can find that area, he's deep in the Amazon. But long story short, finally after he writes this letter to the king, some of his men go, "Okay, well we've had enough. We can't betray the king." And uh when he gets to the island of Margarita, a bunch of his men end up killing him and ripping him to shreds. They quarter him and and the guy ends up dying a pretty miserable death.
32:05But uh >> he was the first Nikki Santoro.
32:08>> Yeah.
32:09>> Right.
32:09>> So that video is going to be called the craziest concisador of all time. The legend is though, the legend is that when he was chasing that judge from Ecuador to Peru, the legend is he did that barefoot that he didn't have shoes.
32:21Like there's just there's crazy lore with the concisadors that that keep coming up.
32:27>> Pursued Esqal to Lima, Keido, and then to Kusco, missing him in all three places. For three years, he trailed Escoal on foot and without shoes. That is dedication. [laughter] His soldiers following this obstinate pursuit with interests. Age found him in Cusco taking a nap in the library of his house and wearing a coat of chain mail he had always worn for fear of a gira. Sleep with one eye open, [ __ ] Gira crept up to the sleeping Escoal and stabbed him twice with a dagger when the male stopped his blows to the former magistrate's body. He stabbed him in the right temple. That'll do it. And killed
33:03him. Protected by friends who had hidden him, Aira fled from Kusco and took refuge with a relative in Humonga.
33:09>> Yeah. And then he got away with it for a while. And they let him go. They're like, "Okay, well, we do need you to like help us squash this next rebellion.
33:16If you could just not kill any more judges, that would be great." There's someone I'm thinking of. I hate when this happens. I'm thinking of like some movie and some character and I can see it but I can't see the face and can't place it >> to where they're just like, "Well, [ __ ] it. I'm going to go kill him and they just they just like blood hunt him forever." And that's what I'm picturing.
33:35>> Yeah. When I when I when I do some cooking with these AI visuals, I'm going to make him look wild. Like you're going to see you're going to see it in his eyes.
33:43>> Um it's getting good. The AI visuals are getting better. Uh they're getting better. ano banana which is like what I use to here's some of the secret sauce a lot of people will go and they'll just immediately generate a video right away with a prompt that's not the way to do it you want to generate the image first and get the image with nano banana which is going to be a lot more accurate a lot more consistent a lot more character consistency >> and then you you want to use a detailed prompt to actually animate that >> so you know some of these documentaries like this is even before YouTube got
34:16huge in stuff. But like think like the men who built America, if you ever saw that, where they use [ __ ] flist actors to do very shitty scenes and whatever, >> right?
34:27>> That's the kind of stuff where like AI will be better.
34:31>> Yeah. B footage >> and for B footage when you're putting out weekly content on YouTube and telling stories of things, especially in the ancient past, it'll be better. Where I run into a big problem with this is what we just saw a few weeks ago with where this could be headed. And De and I were talking about this on our Patreon episode. We both feel this way. But you see what Darren Areronowski is doing?
34:53>> No, I didn't.
34:54>> Can you pull this up on Twitter? So Darren Aronowski is a very well-known Hollywood director. I don't know if he's like trying to be edgy or like ahead of the curve and experiment. I I don't like faulting people for experimenting, but I do think there's like a line where there's a point of no return with some stuff. So, obviously, it's the 250th anniversary of, >> you know, the Declaration of Independence coming up this summer, and so he has decided to do a series that he directed and set up that is exclusively AI created.
35:28>> Dang, he beat me to it. I was trying to do it.
35:30>> That's what I'm saying though. This is real Hollywood, like with real movie storytelling, like trying to replace actors. This is not B-roll documentary footage, right?
35:38>> And they're going to be a series of a bunch of, it sounds like 10 to 20 minute, you know, episodes of events in the Revolutionary War. And the saddest part about this to me is, you know, like The Patriot is one of my favorite movies ever. The Revolutionary War is one of the most undercovered we, like we talked about the concistor period not getting covered. The Revolutionary War is one of the most undercovered, underdone things by Hollywood ever. And it's [ __ ] the history is insane. I know AMC did the show Turn, which was solid, >> you know, about the Culper Spy ring, but like if they had really gotten a full
36:13budget, they could have done it way bigger than they did. And it's like, so now I've been begging for them to really make something good for a long time. And the actual artists, not like YouTube documentary type stuff, the actual artists >> now want to replace humans to do it.
36:30This is where I draw the line and I go, "No, no, no."
36:32>> Right. For sure. Like they got the budget. Like just make something sick.
36:35>> Make something sick.
36:36>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So, um, what I do is I I add a lot of maps. I'll add historical photos as well. Historical.
36:46If I can get a historical video, I'll do it, too. But as I'm actually narrating the the story, it does help to have a visual >> Hell yeah.
36:54>> Beat by beat by beat by beat.
36:56>> I've always wanted to do something cinematic and uh this is like kind of my opportunity to do it a little bit. My my most recent one is the Dodto expedition.
37:06>> So Hernando Dotto. Yeah, pull that pull that one up.
37:10>> Um that one I found a new generator and like they allowed me to it didn't censor me as much. Like there's one shot where I'd show some dude getting merckked with an arrow in the back of his neck. No, it's three other those are the mummies.
37:23I got a little distracted for a while for my uh concisadors versus the giant of Alabama.
37:28>> Hey guys, if you haven't already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It's a huge huge help. Thank you. That's >> So Tuscaloosa was >> That's the one you want.
37:36>> Supposed Yeah, >> Tuscaloosa was supposedly um uh 7 feet tall here. And I got a lot of [ __ ] for this because they said an arrow can't penetrate steel. Well, the [laughter] the concisadors said that there could.
37:50This is the reason I did that was the concisadors in their writing said that these arrows that they were coming across with these native tribes in Florida were penetrating their steel. Um oftent times their actual mel which is probably a lot easier than like that steel plate there.
38:06>> But uh yeah, so it's a crazy story.
38:10Quite a disaster of an expedition. And >> this was in Alabama.
38:14>> Well, this was through Florida, Georgia, um, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Arkansas, Texas. Like, I mean, he just they were going all over the place. And Hernando Desto, have you ever heard of like the Icarus deception? Like, if you fly too close to the sun, of course, >> Hernando Dodto is like the perfect example of this.
38:34>> Why?
38:35>> This man was had wealth beyond measure with what he did down in Peru. I mean, he was like the number three guy in charge down in Peru. He had more wealth than you could imagine. Uh, even he probably I don't know how much he made in Nicaragua, but he probably doubled it there. Goes back to Spain is chilling.
38:55Decides he wants to go back to the new world. He's going to become the governor of Cuba and he's going to go conquer La Florida, which is this huge area of Florida, Alabama, Mississippi. And the man ends up dying of fever on the Mississippi River. I mean, it's like, you know, he had it all. Um, he could have just sailed away and and left it to somebody else. Instead, he died a miserable death >> on the Mississippi Riverbanks. But, um, this story right here is crazy. This guy's name is Juan Ortiz. This is actually a lot of people think the um the story of Pocahontas and John Smith, like the love story, is actually based
39:31off this Spaniard right here.
39:33>> Juan Ortiz.
39:34>> Yeah. He got um he was with the Ghal or the um sorry I'm losing the there was an expedition that 12 years earlier had um landed on Florida and was complete disaster. Uh they had a lot of storms and basically the Narvias expedition.
39:56Sorry, I was trying to think of it. And he was a castaway and got saved by these natives and it was basically a slave for them for several years.
40:07>> And then the Dotto expedition shows up 12 years later and they see this guy that looks like a Spaniard and he's looking at them and all of a sudden it's like he'd forgotten how to spoke speak Spanish. He starts speaking to them in Spanish and they go that's a Spaniard with the natives. And so he was fluent in their language and was a, you know, really pivotal part of going through the American Southeast as the translator basically. And spoiler alert, he dies too on the Mississippi River. Uh, basically this entire expedition, I'm not like I think it's like half um ends up dying. I think over 300 people end up
40:45dying on this. So >> yeah, that's the crazy part about these stories. are so complex from I don't know the term I'm looking for but just bear with me here from like a moral ethical historical standpoint because it's like these guys for referring just at the con to the concis for a second >> they discovered lands that were unknown and set the pathway for what became western civilization over here >> y >> and the missions that they went on were daring and crazy and brave and, you know, charted land, created maps that we were able to use to then, you know, build this whole thing. But there was also these were also extremely imperfect
41:34men, as you've already pointed out many times today, that were >> not just flawed criminally in in many cases, but also flawed egotistically and in how in what they wanted to discover.
41:47and they ended up meeting their own demise as you're pointing out. And yet the things that they were able to accomplish in what were their tragic missions for a whole host of reasons were the baseline to what we have. It's very fascinating to think about.
42:04>> Yeah. New the ri the rise and fall of New Spain is it's up there with the rise and fall of the Roman Empire.
42:13>> I I agree with you. And uh once again, Hollywood, you know, it's time to it's time to make some movies about it because it's it is the most the Spanish conquest of the new world in my opinion is the most impactful thing that's happened in history to date. This starts the >> in history >> in history. Look at the Colombian exchange. So, as a result of this moment, you know, we think of Italians and and lasagna and pizza and that's all ingredients coming from the Americas.
42:51Tobacco helped.
42:53>> Hey, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Back up.
42:56>> Hey, >> you're in New Jersey.
42:58>> Hey, >> you can't just say that.
43:00>> I love Last night I ate some good pizza.
43:02I can't remember. It was a It was airport pizza. Little Tony's. Little >> Tony's. All right. All right. I almost want to out Jesus Christ.
43:09>> It was pretty good. operating from behind, but keep going.
43:13>> Tonight, I've been told that I'm going to go to uh North uh Hoboken. There's another pizza place. D Fortnite gave it like 8.9 or something. I'm going there tonight.
43:21>> That's bad.
43:22>> But my point I'm trying to make is the Italians didn't have tomatoes before this.
43:26>> That's [ __ ] >> You know, tell me what am I wrong?
43:30>> That's just my knee-jerk reaction. I'm calling [ __ ] >> It's true. They didn't have tobacco.
43:35Potatoes.
43:35>> I believe that, but >> potatoes. Tobacco. All these things. uh existed in the Americas and came over to the old world as a result of this moment of um contact between uh the Spanish and and the natives.
43:50>> So, they didn't have tomatoes.
43:52>> They didn't have tomatoes. No, tomatoes come from the new world.
43:54>> Get the [ __ ] out of here. Tomatoes were introduced to Italy from the Americas in the 16th century via the Columbian exchange. I feel like my whole life is a lie. I'm telling you, this moment in history is is the most one of the biggest moments.
44:09>> Maybe I went overboard saying it's the biggest, but it's got to be up there.
44:14Um, this is when the new world meets the old world. The old world meets the new world, and this entire exchange of spices, goods, and ways of life, [snorts] you know, start blending together really quick. Really quick. I mean within 50 years there are really less than that.
44:33there are huge settlements in at least the Caribbean and then also you know Mexico City starts to rise really fast after the conquest of um Mexico and this entire exchange starts happening and you know not soon not far after that all that money and that gold that went to Europe a lot of that ends up um funding developments that happened with like the industrial revolution >> um so it's a huge part of And uh yeah, tomatoes, man.
45:08>> That's [ __ ] up.
45:09>> Yeah, [laughter] >> that's really [ __ ] up.
45:11>> Tobacco's Tobacco is the one for me.
45:13Like I >> I >> I could see tobacco. That makes sense.
45:15>> That one's probably the most used drug in the world, right?
45:20>> Yeah.
45:20>> Maybe caffeine.
45:21>> I was going to say it's coffee and tobacco.
45:23>> Yeah, right. Coffee and tobacco.
45:24>> Coffee and nicotine, if you will. But >> Right.
45:27>> No, it's not the right way to say it's coffee and tobacco. Sorry.
45:30>> Totally. But that's, you know, you think about how the timelines of what things would take back then. So maybe like as a baseline, just to give people a picture of this, when the concisadors are sailing over to the Americas in the late 15th century and then 16th century especially, first of all, how many would they send at a time? How many boats would come over? How many men would be coming over? it like I I don't know if you want to use one specific concistor as an example, whatever is easiest for you, but like what kind of numbers are we looking at and what kind of provisions were they bringing with them?
46:09>> Like the first one is like the Nina Pinta Santa Maria. So you got the three ships with uh with uh Columbus, >> right? I've I've seen Step Brothers.
46:18>> I Well, how many Right. It's a great movie. How many people were on that expedition, Joey?
46:24And what a lot of people don't you know Columbus is another one. And I have a Columbus video. You know, people say people like to say that Columbus didn't discover anything. That's not entirely true. Um Columbus had four voyages. So, a lot of people think that he was just hanging out in the Caribbean. He had four voyages and he actually did land in Nicaragua, which is technically North America.
46:48>> Um and [clears throat] he also was the first European to see um the South American continent as well. He was right off the coast of Venezuela.
46:59>> He's kind of interesting and sorry if I'm I kind of forgot what your question was, but uh >> I was we were talking about men with provisions. We'll just answer that real fast so people have it. So estimates say on the 1492 exposi ex expedition that we always talk about, >> he had around 86 to 90 men.
47:15>> Yeah. And and so he he and people get mad when I say this, but you can read his journal. He he thought he was he thought the island of Cuba was Japan.
47:26um for a while. At one point they brought these interpreters um with them and they brought they were going inland on the island of Japan just in case they were about to meet the con of China and they they might be able to speak with him with these interpreters that they thought might be similar to the language. And it took them a while. In fact, it wasn't until Baloa, I think in 1511, crossed the uh crossed over to P from Panama to see the Pacific Ocean that they got verification that oh yeah, oh yeah, this is a whole new world. This is not Asia.
48:03>> I'm sure I'm sure most of them had figured it out by then, but that Balboa moment in 1511. So what is that? What's my math here? That's, you know, um that's it's 18 years 18 years after uh or I guess >> sorry 19 >> 19 years after Columbus 500 years ago plus.
48:22>> Yeah.
48:23>> Yeah. Exactly. And so um but yeah, Columbus's story, he's got some wild stories, too. Um >> he was also though like you know you can say multiple things at the same time.
48:34Discovered stuff, led missions here.
48:36Also really not great guy.
48:39>> Yeah. Well, once again, a lot of these guys, um, a lot of these guys are, especially Columbus's men were bragging about some of their atrocities they were committing. Um, >> like what?
48:52>> There's a guy named I think his name was he was an Italian actually. um Michelle Deseno, if you want to look that up, Michael Deseno, c u n o, but he brags about um you know woman in a in one of his letters. Um fact check that name because that's a pretty big, you know, thing. But he talks about how he got I put this in my documentary, but uh there's not my documentary, my video. And then you know they were they said they didn't enslave the natives that they would bring them back as representatives to the king of and queen of Spain >> but you know a lot of those people didn't even make it on the way back
49:43>> and when they actually got there you know they were likely sold into into slavery. Though one of the darkest things about human nature that I would love to say is not still a thing, but it is around the world is the uh extremely unholy and sinister alliance of war conquering.
50:10>> Yep.
50:11>> You know, this this still happens all over the world today. It's viewed as, you know, think about the semantics of it, which which is like gross to say it that way, but like >> you have militaries that are, you know, in most places around the world comprised of a bunch of dudes >> live together for months and years at a time >> and they're [ __ ] testosterone up and they're told to go conquer this place because it's evil and their people have done evil things. That's how it's always sold. And then they go in there and as their fruits of war, they get to do the worst thing you could ever do to
50:48innocent women. And it still happens today. But this was quite literally for thousands of years, not only something that was allowed, but was encouraged as a prize of war. You conquer, you get to go >> do that. And that is just something that will never fully process to me. Like what like what how there's even a rush >> with that. I I I just don't I don't understand it.
51:24>> Yeah. [clears throat] It happened over and over again for sure. And you know there's the the Columbus with his four expeditions really, you know, he gets the worst rap out of all the concisadors because of, you know, [snorts] he's the one that he's the I guess got the providence. He's the one that first discovered the Americas for Spain. Um, but when it comes to death tolls and when it comes to, you know, sheer numbers, there's a lot of other concisadors that >> sure >> that far out surpass Columbus.
51:59>> That doesn't surprise me at all. And so, you know, this is a complex of uh we'll call it both a tragedy and a complex of a situation that happened 500 years ago where you had one group that had more better technology, right? Mastes, that is a type of technology back then.
52:20>> Sure. Yeah.
52:20>> Right.
52:21>> Um and a horse that is a type of technology.
52:25>> Yep.
52:25>> Um right. A cannon, gun, gunpowder, that's all technology. And so arriving and then basically having their way with the spoils. Um [clears throat] it's it's a brutal history and it's one of the reasons probably Hollywood hasn't touched it. Um so >> but that's the other thing. It's like it's you know it's brutal. Of course we just outlined that quite literally but >> you wouldn't touch any parts of history.
52:55>> I know exactly. So, I'm just wondering how much time needs to like go by before we actually make the Spanish vers Aztec movie >> that I I can confirm. Everyone wants to see it. It's my most It's my most watched videos on FA I had 17 million views on on Facebook on Facebook with a series where I basically clipped >> 31 minute episodes from my original Spanish vers Aztec video. It got like all of those combined got 17 million views on Facebook. The one on YouTube, just the full one is about a million.
53:27People want to watch agree that movie.
53:30>> We live in this era where everyone who has the strongest opinion is who gets attention online. So people get afraid of the people who are going to be like, you know, how can we talk about why are we glorifying all these whatever it that's not what it's about. It's about telling the story of how things happen and and and revealing what human nature is. I don't see anyone complaining about Game of Thrones and how brilliantly, I might add, they showed the very dark side of human nature in addition to also good sides as well, but a lot of dark sides.
54:03>> It's fictional, but it's based on real world type stuff like this is what it is. History is very >> complex. Yep. So, there's a author named Kevin Seel that I'd like to shout out.
54:16He has a book series called Concisador Voices. And I think Hollywood Yeah. pull it up. Uh I think Hollywood uh could use his approach to this. He basically at the very beginning of the book with the introduction prefaces and says, "I'm going to tell the concisador side of the story because well, that's our best primary sources of this and really only primary sources of this." And then he also adds the preface of, you know, there's probably embellishment here like there is with any um victor in history.
54:47However, I'm not going to constantly stop. He said, however, I'm not going to constantly um interrupt myself to continue to remind you of that throughout this book.
54:57And we're just going to roll. We're going to roll with what they say. And that's what he does in this book. So yeah, his first volume is uh um it's it's um Columbus, Hernand Cortez, and then Pizarro down in Peru. And then his second volume has Doddto, a guy named Cabz Devaka, which is one of my favorite concistador stories. He was actually a good man in my opinion. He's a good man.
55:21>> Yeah, he was a good man. He was part of that Narvias expedition earlier that I said had that Juan Ortiz uh stranded, you know, the disaster of an expedition.
55:31that ended up having Cabza Devaka, which means cow head in Spanish. Um, but uh he ended up stranded on the shores of Galveastston with like four other dudes >> in Texas.
55:44>> In Texas, was naked. I mean, just had nothing to his name. Was starving, had swallowed a lot of salt water. And the natives saved him. Um, and but part of as a result back then being saved was you're going to be our slave for a while. Like you you can't just live here for free. And so they save him and he becomes a bit of a wandering miracle healer.
56:10>> A wandering miracle healer.
56:12>> Yes. The natives were insisted that like his role was going to be he was going to go heal people. And so he would do the sign of the cross. He would do I'm not Catholic so I'm not uh sure the exact terminology here but he would do these like Catholic prayers probably the rosary over these natives and his story that he tells along with some other kinkis that survived that corroborated this was that it was working these people that were on their deathbed they would um they would basically do these prayers and the next day they'd be walking around and so he develops a bit of a following. All of a sudden he
56:55starts wandering from tribe to tribe. He kind of gains his freedom and word starts to spread, "This guy will heal you." Like he's he's got powers. And so they do more prayers over these people and he'd go to the next uh tribe and people would be following him along the way. He [snorts] does this for eight years, I believe, before he finally he wanders all through Texas, the Texas border, Galveastston, down through North Mexico. Finally winds up in modern day Stayola, like near Kuliaakan. And that's somewhere around there is where he runs into Spaniards for the first time. And unfortunately, he had this, you know, he
57:31had this huge group of natives that were following him almost like he was this holy man. And these Spaniards ended up being uh slavers. They were looking for natives to slave enslave. And the story is that Cabza Devaka did everything he could to try to stop them from enslaving these people who had saved his life. Um but you >> good luck.
57:54>> Yeah, good luck.
57:55>> Um he ends up uh becoming a pretty high up official down in Paraguay in South America. And in everything I've read about him, he always was a champion for native rights. I'm a big fan of KBZ Kabz Devaka. He was a good man.
58:10>> That's cool.
58:11>> We got on this tangent though. We were talking about that author. What was his name again? Who said at the front, this is what it is. I'm not going to say this again. Let's tell the story. So he had multiple volumes and you said each one covered a different concisador.
58:22>> Yeah, he's got multiple volumes and it's it's it's great. I love it. The audio book's really good.
58:28>> Can we Google this guy as well, DeF?
58:30This is really fascinating to me. This is the kind of guy I'd love to get on the podcast.
58:34>> Probably my favorite author from the Conquisadors. And uh you know, I got him cited through a lot of my concisador books because a lot of his stories, the way he would tell them is what inspired me in the first place to even make the videos.
58:50>> Yeah. Got to wear that fedora in here if we >> Heck yeah. Heck yeah.
58:54>> Let's [ __ ] go.
58:56>> Yeah. I'd like to meet him someday, too.
58:57Kevin Seel, if you're out there, you're awesome. Love your love your books.
59:00>> So cool.
59:02>> Okay. I'm gonna have to check those out.
59:04So Dvaka kind of good guy. We had that as well. Do we still have that page up of Dvaka? So this is what you're talking about. Ambassador for Christ. From his own telling. One of Cabza Debbaka's greatest accomplishments in his journey was bringing peace throughout the land.
59:19As the travelers passed from one indigenous group to the next, waring groups would immediately make peace and become friendly so that the natives could receive the party and give them gifts. Cabza noted in his personal account of the journey that in this way we left the whole country in peace.
59:32Cabza Dvaka saw these events as part of his purpose in America, writing that he believed that God was guiding us to where we could serve him. According to Dvaka, his greatest challenge came when he attempted to bring peace between the conquering Spanish army and the natives.
59:46As you were saying, as Cabza approached the area of Spanish settlement, he and his companions grieved to see the destruction of indigenous villages and their inhabitants enslavement. Cabza claimed that out of fear of the Spanish army, many natives chose to hide in the forest and risk starvation, leaving fertile land uncultivated. And that's the thing. It's like, if we're going to zoom out here, >> yeah, >> obviously it's brutal and the things they did are mortally wrong in every way. I don't want to be misheard here, but like you come to this new land that you thought was like [ __ ] Japan. You
60:20find out it's not and it's actually like a new land. There's a bunch of people here who have an entirely different custom and culture, religion, everything, way of living, way of talking, etc. Less technology than you as well, and who also have the ability to kill in very biblical kind of ways.
60:38>> Yeah.
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