0:01Now, Hugh, for people who don't know you and have never seen your YouTube channel, you have Megalithania on YouTube. You've had that for a long time, but how how long have you been looking into ancient history itself?
0:12>> My god. Uh, well, since I was a kid, I got to be honest with you. My my mom was an avid traveler. I mean, she wasn't into like kind of dull family holidays.
0:21She wanted to go to like Nosis Temple in Cree [laughter] or to the Megaliths of Britany or something like that. So, we always did something interesting. I mean to at that time I was like zero interest in it. I just wanted to play football and go to the beach and things like that. But then she she subscribed to uh this magazine that stuck in my kind of consciousness called the unexplained magazine. So this would have been in the 80s, you know, that old kind of thing.
0:45And uh so that was like paranormal, but it also had ancient sites, mysteries, you know, obscure explorations and things like that. And that really got me into stuff, you know, as a kid. kind of became this kind of slightly obsessive kind of into the a whatever mysteries there were at the time. So, and then then I got into crop circles of all things >> into crop circles.
1:07>> Yeah. So, you know, if people aren't aware of what they are, they're like these imprints you get in the fields in Britain. They've been around for >> the aliens, right?
1:14>> Well, allegedly. Yeah. But they've been around and recorded for hundreds of years and like and then they started appearing in Britain in the 80s and '9s.
1:24And that kind of got me interested in sort of more unusual phenomena, but they were always near stone circles. And so it drew me into the world of like the megaliths and the area where these megaliths appear.
1:36>> And so uh that's then it kind of something clicked inside me. I've got to study these big stones. What the hell are these?
1:42>> And so yeah, so opened up a whole world, you know, just having all this kind of being bought up with all these different elements.
1:49>> Yeah, we actually it's funny because you're you're referring to the homeland right there. We haven't talked a ton on the podcast with different guests I've had on about some of the history in in Great Britain and the things that are found there. Like I don't think we've ever talked about Stonehenge on here at all. That's something that I'm completely like not in in the know about either. So this this image we have right here, that's from your PowerPoint, right?
2:14>> Yeah.
2:15>> What are we looking at?
2:16>> So this this is basically the Stone Circle of Stonehenge. There's a bunch of us inside it. me flying my drone obviously. Now this is um one of a thousand stone circles in the British Isles.
2:28>> Thousand.
2:28>> It's at least a thousand have been recorded but not like not as good as Stonehenge. Stonehenge is kind of unique. Most of them are kind of rough hume just simple circles or certain geometries.
2:38>> Whereas this is built shaped stones.
2:42It's got different stones. Some from you know 20 m away. The big sass stones you see there. There's smaller ones that are like four or five tons that come from Wales. These are the blue stones.
2:53They're a type of stone called spotted dolerite.
2:56>> And then there's even this whole story that's come out in the last year or so of one of the stones, the alter stone, which is the big central stone that would lay flat in the middle came from Ornne or Northern Scotland. And >> how do we know that? Well, they've done all this analysis on the type of type of rock >> and and there's it's quite an interesting circle. I mean, you got all these different elements coming in from Wales, from locally, from Scotland, all in one circle. So, this is really the national temple of Britain in my opinion. I live next door to Stonehenge.
3:28That's my little one of my claims to fame. And this >> like next door like right off camera here?
3:33>> Just off camera. This there's a bunch of my friends, all 30,000 of [laughter] them. Uh this is uh during the summer solstice a couple of years ago. Wow, what a shot.
3:41>> Yeah. So, this is actually uh I live literally to the right of that just down the road about about half a mile away. I I live one number one Stonehenge Cottages. That's where I live.
3:51>> Oh my god, that's so cool. On brand.
3:53>> And the other thing is I live closer to Stonehenge than Sting does. He lives just down the road from me, but he >> You ever like go riff with him a little bit?
4:00>> We bumped into him in a supermarket once, but but that was about it. Yeah.
4:04Yeah. But he's I think he's moved now when he >> You kind of got a sting look to you.
4:07>> I've got Well, that's a compliment. and a half. [laughter] >> But yeah, so this is like so this still happens. You have this giant solstice event takes place. This one I think that I think 30,000 people turned up this year. This is how insane it is. I mean, it's not a huge stone circle, but and so it just shows you that there's something still powerful about these sites that people magnificent that people want to kind of connect to. They want to kind of feel like their ancestors were involved in this kind of thing. And it's really these are really the only remnants of anything that's that old, like four or 5
4:42thousand years old. And the other the other thing about this is that there's a landscape here. It's not just one circle. There's avenues. It's hidden by the mist here. But there's earthn avenues. There's there's even measolithic stuff going on. It goes back 10,000 years.
5:02>> Mesolithic. Can you explain that?
5:03>> Yeah. So, we can get into that a little bit. This is what's so interesting about uh this particular site. So measylithic is like anything it's like the pre- pottery Neolithic of Turkey. It's like the messylithic of Britain is or Europe is about roughly 10,000 or something like 8,000 to 12,000 years old. And there's a whole bunch of sites that are coming out of the ground um all across Britain now that have this kind of extreme age associated with them. So we've got Stonehenge here. Um, this just shows you some of the geometry and alignments here. But what is interesting, really interesting about
5:38this is that they found these post holes. If you look on the right, you got these.
5:42>> Yeah. Looks like a driver's course.
5:44>> Yeah. On the right, you got blobs of paint in a car park. This was This was several years ago. They've now removed the car park. And this is what it would look like. So, there's these giant pine posts 30 foot tall potentially.
5:57>> Oh, that was that that was there.
5:59>> That was there before Stonehenge. We're talking 5,000 years before Stonehenge.
6:04So these giant pine post could have been totem poles. They could have had carvings on them. They're mar they est because of the width and the depth. They estimate they could have been up to 30 ft tall. So they're pretty beastly. Yeah. And uh but the thing is they were placed there 5,000 years before any stones were built there >> which is really odd. I mean what is so there was something going on there. And there's a site locally called Blickme, which is the other side of where I live.
6:30And it's like a natural spring. And they found evidence of continuous occupation going back at least 10,000 years up until the present day virtually. And I was just with the late the archaeologist Dr. David Jucks or Professor David Jucks. He spoke at our conference in England as well. And they found evidence now going back 12,000 years in the vicinity of Stonehenge. So this puts it in the realm of what we're finding in Southeast Turkey. you know.
6:55>> Yeah. Which we're going to talk all about today. I know we've done a lot of work there. But when when you talk about the evidence that they found here to be able to date that, how is that like carbon dating rock? Like what what are they doing to be able to get that number?
7:06>> Well, at the bottom of these these sort of three or or potentially five pits where these pine posts would be in, they found kind of burnt wood basically at the bottom of them or or or calcified wood or something like this. And they managed to date them to roughly 10,000 years old, just over actually.
7:22>> [snorts] >> And so they did that. But then the other thing about this which completely blows my mind, if uh we look at this next image here, there's quite a lot going on here. But so you got the you got the stone circle at the bottom there and and they found within where the stone circle was later built, they found this mound in the position where it should be and then just nearby they found the post holes within 50 yards of this spot. And then you see the avenue going down there diagonally. That is the That's the summer solstice sunrise alignment avenue. That's what does that mean?
7:57>> That's been carved out of the ground like the earth >> to mark the orientation. So the sun rises towards the end of the avenue and then it goes off in different directions. But they found these 10,000 year old older parallel ridges called paraglatial strips or stripes uh along there which are natural features. So it suggests I mean from this image and we've worked this all out and the you know archaeologists now agree to this that there was a solstice alignment here not 5,000 years ago the famous one summer solstice but 10,000 years ago >> from the mound within where Stonehenge is now along this these natural hollows
8:36these ridges which naturally formed this weirdly perfect alignment to the summer solstice sunrise and the opposite direction it's a winter solstice sunset hell of a coincidence. It's it's it's insane. I mean, so they they probably found these ridges originally and thought, "Hang on a sec. These actually align to where the sun extreme points occur."
8:54>> Okay. I have so many questions here, [laughter] but let's start with the actual what do you call it again? The columns. The >> Yeah, the P. Uh yeah, the giant giant wooden post. Yeah, >> the the posts. What kind of weight are we dealing with there? You said it's about 30t tall.
9:09>> If you if you imagine that, it's got to be a couple of tons, two or three tons at least.
9:14>> So maybe more thinking about it. Yeah. I mean, >> so who could have >> Do we have any legitimate theories on how they got there and who put them there?
9:25>> There's not much going on with that. I mean, it was it was pretty much forested Britain back then. The whole the whole place. I mean I mean this area in Wiltshire, you've got like a lot of chalk, so you get less trees back then.
9:38>> But yeah, I mean they were moving stuff about back then. I mean they were building mounds. They had a whole kind of network across Britain even at this time. And Blickme, which is just down the road from me, where this spring is, which we've had a look at ourselves.
9:53Nothing to see there now really, is where everyone would kind of live and hang out and do ceremonies and things like that. But then there was this area a mile or so away at the location of where Stonehenge is now, right next to these posts. So, it's kind of strange.
10:08Why would they mark that spot? And then we realized, you know, a lot of lot of people have kind of come to this conclusion is that there must have been something significant about this location and it may have been these paraglacial strips. They may have noted and then they may have built a mound, you know, and then marked this alignment of the sun where the sun's most extreme point is on the uh, you know, the southern point of the horizon. To the southeast, you have the winter solstice.
10:36To the northeast you have the summer solstice where that them ridges are. So it's kind of bizarre. So there's potentially a super ancient solstice alignment a Stonehenge year thousands of years before the stones got put in place which is pretty epic in my opinion. It [snorts] seems like we are finding all over the world now in all different environments. If you want to go all the way to South America of course we'll talk about Egypt today as well. All your work you've done in Turkey is certainly relevant here and now talking about Great Britain. It sounds like everything that we have at least assumed as truth
11:09about, you know, the nature of how far back our species goes on this earth is now being consistently proven to not be the case.
11:20>> That's true. Yeah. Yeah. In virtually I mean almost everywhere this is starting to happen now. I think Quebec and Carahan, the whole southeast Turkey connection, I think that is changed everything. Yeah.
11:32>> Because that that is carbonated. You know, they were talking >> um German archaeologist very very serious.
11:43They know what they're doing. They carbonated those sites to 9,600 BC.
11:48>> Some of them are even older. Some go back into [clears throat] the ice age, which >> Yeah. before younger dest. Right.
11:53>> Before the younger dest Yeah. So you have sites like um you know in the in the area like Jack Mteep and a few others we can get into in a little while that are older. So this this whole thing there has now clicked this kind of brain stem in the whole of academia that everything potentially could be a little bit older than what people are thinking cuz carbon dating isn't an exact science. There are issues with it. It doesn't it produces a range of dates. It doesn't produce the exact date. Picture your go-to white dress shirt. The one you wish you could wear all week because it always looks sharp and it actually
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14:02Thank you. What kind how wide can that range?
14:05>> They can go thousand go a thousand years or more or less depending how far back you go. However, if you dated something, for example, carbon dated at I'm just going to make a number up, roughly 15,000 years, and your margin of error is roughly a thousand. I mean, something like that would definitively prove that you had some sort of civilization preyounger dus, for example.
14:27>> Yeah, for sure. I mean they've I think what they do is I mean I'm not I'm no archaeologist or anything but I think what they do is they get as many samples as possible and they correlate them and then they kind of bring the kind of range down keep it tight >> and I think this is what they've done here um also at Stonehenge and now I mean brand new research I mean literally hasn't been published yet from professor David Jax who works at BlickMe he's also worked at the the messylithic area of Stonehenge the earlier phase They've now found a site near Blickme, near Stonehenge, near where I live, just
15:03literally down the road from where I live. That is now and they found actual artifacts that are at least 12,000 years old. There's potentially it could be older. They're thinking they might even be 14,000 years old. And so this is evidence of occupation at that time. So that was in the ice age. I mean in Britain it would have been much rougher than other parts of the world but it was still there. People were surviving then you have to kind of consider that and so that's now pushing the dates but I mean it could this could this could also change the date of the megaliths of Stonehenge eventually people there could
15:41be new dating techniques that come out >> really >> that could actually the stones and the placement of them could now be pushed back even further which I think is highly likely to happen. And I think it's going to happen in a few places.
15:52>> So put but they've all because obviously we've known about that for a long time now and they've been examined over and over again. But just because we found something new that could completely are you saying it could completely change the methodology with which they do carbon dating or am I missing the boat there?
16:09>> I think it's just a case of reanalyzing partly what they found already previously, having another look at it and just checking it.
16:17>> Okay. And there's always there's always stuff being discovered. I mean, just the fact that this new discovery is just happened like weeks ago, you know, in right near Stonehenge uh hasn't even been published. Like I don't even know if I'm supposed to mention it, but he announced it at our conference in November last year, uh this year. And uh also the paper's not going to come out for another year probably, you know, so it's not going to be announced then. So >> it's all up in the air, you know.
16:43>> Who's involved with the paper? So this is I think this is the University of uh Buckingham Shear. Um this is where Professor David Jax works. So this is proper academic.
16:53>> Yeah. Sounds smart.
16:54>> Yeah. Buckinghamshire.
16:55>> They know what they're doing. Yeah.
16:56Yeah. First [clears throat] class. Yeah.
16:57Yeah. First class. Yeah. First class archaeologist. And uh and so yes, so this is all happening. So they could but this could open up the the floodgates cuz new data could you know sorry old data old artifacts or could be reanalyzed and checked again because sometimes you find these anomalous dates as well like yeah like sometimes you might get like for instance when I was researching the sites in Mexico like the mech sites just it's an example they found at u San Lorenzo which is the the oldest mech site that goes back to 1600 00 BC or thereabouts. But they found some evidence that went back to 3,00 or
17:393,600 BC, >> but they put it aside as some kind of anomaly.
17:45>> Don't worry about it.
17:46>> It doesn't make sense. It doesn't fit in with what we're talking about. So, so they ignore it and it gets pushed aside.
17:50So, that's one example that really kind of stuck in my mind, that one, because I've kind of I've always thought the Mex were quite a lot older than they're telling us. And so the same principle, the same discoveries and the same reanalysis is going to be done hopefully at some of these other places. Even Stonehenge, even the stuff in Turkey could be even older than than what it is. And there's even been dating done on uh the pyramids on the Giza plateau that that have pushing the dates back at least a few hundred years earlier, >> but a lot of people believe they're much much older as well.
18:23>> Yeah, I want to talk about that later with the whole new finding and everything. Michael Button, I was telling you before we got on on air, he was just here and we didn't like get to that, I think, until the very end of that podcast. I really want to dig into that more because I'm behind on some of that stuff. But, you know, yeah, that the Mech thing is one of those ones that I can't believe how overlooked that continues to be. I know >> my buddy Luke Caverns has been looking at that for years, you know, and is obsessed with it. And it's it's I mean, those things are enormous, too. And they're so fascinating looking.
18:53>> They are. They are. They are pretty much They are pretty much the best. Um, it is such a fascinating culture. I mean, yeah, Luke's into it. We've been myself and my partner JJ Ainsworth, we've been into it for over a decade. You know, I've been traveling there since 2003.
19:09Spent two years of my life in Mexico.
19:11You know, just mainly in old land.
19:13>> Make friends with the cartels.
19:15>> Funnily enough, right, funnily enough, >> that's not a good answer.
19:18>> No. Funnily enough, uh, we have bumped into the cartel on more than one occasion. And I've got a story I can [laughter] tell you.
19:25>> Please, that's why you're here.
19:26>> So, I've been watching your podcast. You have this amaz you have this woman who comes on who talks about the the cartels. Yeah, I've been I've been following all of her, listened to all of that and it's kind of correlates with our experiences there as well, which is really interesting. So, I'm fascinated.
19:41So, you know, that's what kind of drew me into your podcast more than anything was the cartels thing. [laughter] Yeah.
19:45Yeah. Because we spent so much time in Mexico and we were there. We were there this February for a month because we wanted to go explore an old Mac land >> and um so check this out. So in February it was all happening with Trump.
19:59>> Yep.
20:00>> Mr. Donald Trump. I'm sure you've heard of him. That's the one.
20:02>> Yeah. Yeah. And he was uh putting out this thing where he wants to kind of stop the border happen, let people through the and it was all happening in I think February when we were there. And so there was all this chatter. And now one of someone who JJ knows quite well is also a hacker who goes in the dark web and checks out what's going on, >> checks out where we're traveling to make sure we're safe on our behalf kind of thing. And there was all this chatter that American tourists, JJ's American, were going to be attacked and kidnapped and possibly murdered if you know they went through with this Trump's thing of
20:39like stopping people going through the border and things like this. And it was the retaliation set up by the cartel to kind of push Trump to change his, you know, whole philosophy of what he was doing with the border. So we heard about this through the dark web. He got back to us just as we were in Mexico going through in a whole of Vera Cruz and like uh Villa Hamosa, you know, Tabasco State. They cartel territory big time now. Especially Villa Hamosa. I'll tell you about that in a minute. We actually bumped into one of these bosses. It was it's quite bizarre. Oh, the bosses. You go to the top.
21:11>> One of them. Yeah. And uh and then so we were, you know, we we get you stopped a few times in Mexico. There's cartel stops, there's police stops. They're quite different, but they generally let you through. So, we were hoping we wouldn't get stopped after we heard that. So, we laid low for a bit when we were traveling through Mexico. And we ended up getting into the area of Villa Hamosa. And then my friend sent me this article about what's been happening there with the cartel. They kind of moved into that area big time cuz it's a it's a trade route, >> if you want to call it that.
21:43>> Yeah. Yeah. Listen, they got a trade, too.
21:45>> They got a trade. And uh and then we heard again through the dark web through one of JJ's friends that there was a big cartel meeting in Villa Hamosa the day we were arriving there. So, we were like, "Oh, great. So, everyone's on high alert and you don't you don't go out at night in Villa Hamosa anymore. They've they've there's been all these you know, stringing people up on the way into town, very reassuring, beheadings, all that kind of thing. So, we were like, "Oh, Christ." Okay. All this just to go and look at some old makeheads and we thought, "Okay, but we're going to do it." So, we turn up um in Villa Herosa.
22:21I booked this, we've been, you know, staying in the roughest places, middle of nowhere. So, we found this one really nice hassienda style hotel. I thought, I'm just going to stay there. I need a break. I need just to have a couple of nights somewhere a little bit luxurious.
22:35So we turn up that happens to be where the the one of the meetings has taken place.
22:39>> You're like there for the Mexican Appalachian Conference.
22:42>> You're like, "Fuck." [laughter] >> Yeah. So we turn up there and uh and we just sort of notice all these quite large guys with kind of, you know, guns basically >> just hanging around and we're like, "Oh, Christ." So I I end up staying there.
22:56JJ's Adora, her daughter who was with us. No, they went to stay. They knew what was going on. They stayed somewhere else. Just stay around cuz they didn't want to, you know, any trouble. You like the action. And I'm like, I'm just I need some luxury. I'm I'm spending a couple of nights here. Whatever happens.
23:08So, next thing we know, we go to the We go out, we come back, we pull up with our car, and in [snorts] reception, people are coming out. There's this clearly some boss dude, which JJ recognized as one of the Sinaloa cartel kind of people [clears throat] with all these entourage, and he's given tips like this thick >> to like the porters and the drivers and things like this. And we're like, whoa.
23:31You know, she she's about to get out and take a photo of him. And I said, "Don't do that, [laughter] please."
23:37And uh and then then we're parking the car underneath and one of the guys kind of is walking up to me with this jacket wave and I open with this uzi in his pocket or whatever it is. I don't know what it is. And he said, "Oh, how's it going?" He spoke English. I said, "I'm fine. How are you?" [laughter] Yeah. And and it was all okay in the end. But so this was so this is what happens. I mean it's Villa Hamosa where it's it's one of the sort of central areas of the >> we're just here for the Mex.
24:02>> We're here for the Mex and like >> our own heads >> and so it turned out it's quite a drama.
24:07You got to be be a little bit careful.
24:09But luckily they didn't end up targeting tourists or Americans. So we got through the whole thing.
24:15>> That would have gotten you some more subscribers though [laughter] if you'd been like you're down there with the Mex and you're like yo I got taken hostage by the cartel. I mean you'd have to live but if you died it'd be a great story too. Not going to lie, I'd be [laughter] very sad, but you know.
24:30>> Yeah, that would be a great story. Okay.
24:31And actually, this one of the sites, this is actually one of the sites near there. This is the nearest site to Vermo. This is Lventa. I mean, Luke's spoken about this before, I'm sure.
24:40>> You got these beautiful things like um the kind of kettle kettle figure holding the bag. And >> how big is that? I >> that's about 4 ft tall.
24:50>> Okay.
24:50>> Yeah. And um and there's some you talk about Egypt. This is actually quite intriguing. There's you have this >> in Egypt.
24:59>> Sorry, real fast. Hugh, that that last one we were looking at, it's there again, but we catch a quaddle.
25:04>> Yeah.
25:05>> So, there's a serpent. There's no eagle in this one.
25:07>> That one's got like a It's like a plume serpent. So, it's coming off the head like feathers, plumes, abstract form >> surrounding this gentleman who whatever he's doing holding this bag. He's got some kind of head gear on. Almost looks like a nose thing he's wearing. oxygen some, you know, ancient ancient astronaut theorists have said. But the symbolism here is something that JJ kind of focuses on is her specialtity actually. And she's actually found correlations. This is actually her graphic around the world with the same kind of symbolism.
25:38>> And uh especially the one in Egypt.
25:40>> Wait, this is Egypt, Greece, South America. Where else?
25:44>> Uh and then you got one um over there.
25:46Yeah, I think that's Greece. Yeah.
25:48>> Wow.
25:49>> And uh Yeah. [snorts] So So yeah, it's it's bizarre. It's bizarre when you start looking at all this to be honest with me.
25:54>> It's almost like they knew each other.
25:56>> They almost seems like they did. I mean, the connections with me land and other areas is is really interesting. I know other people have talked about that over the years, but I find that intriguing.
26:07>> You know, there's one Well, there's one site I managed to get to though, which um Oh, you've also got this as well.
26:13This is the strange new statue that was discovered.
26:15>> Is that you next to it?
26:16>> Yeah, that's just me next to you just mean mugging.
26:19>> Yeah. Yeah. Is that how you looked at the cartels, too? It's like, come and get it.
26:22>> I smiled. Uh, that's right.
26:24>> But this >> They probably saw your ice and they're like, "That's a nicer grill than we got right there."
26:28>> Yeah. Right. They're probably a bit scared.
26:29>> They're like, "Don't [ __ ] with this guy."
26:30>> Yeah. Absolutely.
26:31>> He's probably the head of the whole goddamn [laughter] thing.
26:34>> The Stonehenge Cartel.
26:36[laughter] >> Yeah. So, this this is this weird new like fertility statue they found.
26:41>> A fertility statue, >> which I think is interesting. This is this is not been not many people know about this.
26:46>> Oh, is that a labia right there?
26:47>> Well, we think so. Yeah. I mean, this is like, you know, 3 ft wide, maybe four four feet, something like that.
26:53>> Yeah, there's the clitor. Yeah, >> it's it's odd. I mean, that is one weird ass statue. I got to be honest with you.
26:59And uh but this is unique. This was only found like a few months ago, so there's stuff being found now in land.
27:06>> How big is this?
27:07>> About 3 ft wide.
27:08>> Oh, we got to get Steu Finer in here.
27:09He's going to have a [ __ ] field day.
27:11>> Yeah, you can see the scale of it there with some other other stones in >> Yeah. Wow. But while I was out there, well, if we want to stay on the theme of Mac land for a little while, we met up with Alfredo Delgado, this gentleman here, he's the head of Halapa Museum, >> uh, where many of the artifaces at in, um, I think in Vera Cruz area. That's JJ and myself. And we b we met up with him and we kind of persuaded him to take us to the old quarry, which no one I know has been to. And it's called Lano Jarro.
27:41>> What's it called?
27:42>> Lano dejarro.
27:43>> Lano dejarro. be pronouncing that very badly. Um, but this is I've known about this for a long time. This is where the in the tux mountains where all the bassel comes from inme land. So we persuaded him even though he doesn't speak English. We don't really speak that much Spanish. We worked it out and we met up with him in Akiyakan which is in between Vera Cruz and Villa Hamosa is where a lot of the sites are and we went there and we couldn't quite believe it.
28:11He took us there. This is one of the statues just lying around this. You can see this sort of carving human figure going down the side. You got what?
28:19>> Wait, wait. Where's the >> Sorry, I didn't see that.
28:21>> If you look down the You can just about make out the legs. Oh, is she laying?
28:24>> Yeah, it's kind of like I think it's laying down or something like that. It's only half carved out, you see, cuz it's still being quarried. And I'm fascinated by quaries because to to me, these are sacred areas. These are what are known as the birthplace of the temple. And a lot of a lot of traditions around the world leave leave big stones in the quarry as a marker like a kind of uh axis mundi of where the stones came from. You get that in Easter Island. You have the giant moai half you know cut out of the quarry. You have that even at Gabbeckley. There's stones left in the quarry. You get it in Azwan Egypt and so
28:59forth. And we have you know stones like this just lying around. These have got carvings all over them. But what really the main reason I wanted to go there because Alfredo had let on that there was an old head still in the quarry >> that people don't know about.
29:14>> We were like what? And this is and he put it out there a while ago but no no one's really that interested. And uh so we found it and he showed us it. But the problem is they haven't carved it out yet properly. So all he got is this. So this but he said that's the head.
29:28>> This is the beginning of an oldmech head. Half of it still buried in the ground.
29:33>> Alfredo. I don't know about that one.
29:34That's the first one he's showing.
29:36>> But it's got it's got ears going down the side.
29:38>> Wait, where's the ears?
29:40>> Down the side. Actually, if I did a scan of it, so you can actually have a look.
29:43>> So, is he saying >> this is the beginnings of an old mech head, not complet, [clears throat] you know?
29:50>> Yeah, it was just the starting to shape it out. Some of it's still in the ground. It's like a couple of feet going into the ground as well.
29:56>> What would they use to carve these?
29:59>> Well, they weren't using metal. We know that. So they would have had to have used slightly harder stones. There may be some bass out. We know that they were using obsidian in this area for the fine stone work. But there's a big mystery because they were lugging, you know, 40 ton stones across the swamps, across rivers, across mountains.
30:22>> Allegedly.
30:23>> Alleged. I mean, don't know how they did it. I mean, this this is what's so bizarre.
30:26>> This is where my head does. It just does. It goes to aliens and giants. It's [laughter] like >> these caverns and I have watched the you seen those AI videos that show how it all happened.
30:36>> Oh, >> with the big giants just like carrying the stones, the pyramids. It's like >> very believable.
30:41>> I'm into giants. I mean big >> Well, we'll talk about that.
30:45>> Yeah, I've written a couple of books about them actually. But this is the biggest old mag.
30:48>> Yeah. Look at how [ __ ] >> This is the biggest This is This is Leobata. They say it's 40 tons.
30:54>> Yeah. Yeah. A couple dudes moved out on a Tuesday.
30:57>> Yeah. They say, but that's the biggest one. And it's actually on display in Santiago Tuxler. You can actually go there, check it out.
31:03>> And there's a little museum next door as well.
31:06>> How much So when they were carving this with with the alleged tools that they did, how do we know how long that might have taken?
31:15>> Is there any way to know that?
31:16>> I don't know. I mean, they did some experiments, right? That there was this hilarious BBC documentary.
31:22>> Hilarious.
31:23>> Yeah. because they failed so mis they they it was all these academics the these archaeologists these professors turned up in land said yeah we can do what that any we can do what they do we can move the stones we can carve the stones no problem we're we're academics we know exactly what we do it was I think it was called horizon the documentary you can find it online on YouTube I think and so they went there they actually did that and they couldn't move one stone which they only chose one which was about 8 tons and they couldn't move it. They were using all these different techniques that they think
31:57they would have used. They could move it only about 50 ft in the swamp. And then they had another guy who was an expert academic stone carver try to carve with the tools they had the bassel into a stone head or face couldn't do that either. And both of these people quit during the program because they couldn't do it. And that really I thought that was hilarious because this this Horizon program is it was the science program of the BBC in Brun. They're the ones who tried to destroy Graeme Hancock when he's back in the 1990s when his documentary came out. And so it was the same program but and and it was so funny
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34:14Once again, don't forget to use promo code Julian when you check out to save 20% off your first order. Try it today at mood.com. What do you think? I mean, I've I I ask every guy who comes in who works on this stuff about this, you know, what do you think it is that even today after really decades at this point of different people, be it a Graham Hancock or other people from the outside being able to come in and make their own assessments on on on different pieces of history around the world? What do you think it is about the fact that it seems like so much of academia is still la we don't want to know we don't want to know
34:48stay out of our ivory tower with this when you know we do have resources now to where people can look into this stuff you can't just like stop them from doing it.
34:57>> Yeah I agree. Yeah I mean this is I mean this goes back again like to the to the '9s with Graham Hancock and his book Fingerprints of the Gods and this documentary. He did a whole documentary for Channel 4.
35:08>> Keep that mic close by the way. Oh yeah.
35:10He he he had the whole uh documentary produced for Channel 4 and it was a big deal. It was called Quest for the Lost Civilization and he got completely destroyed by this this doc this this British kind of science program on TV. They they ridiculed him, put it out on the BBC and then there was so many mistakes in it in the program trying to debunk him. They had to he he took him to court, sued them and they had to do a formal apology on TV.
35:40to say, "No, we were wrong." Actually, and so that was proper gangster. He's he's a proper gangster. This Hancock, I tell you that. He's And but that that was then. This is now. And it's still the same. We still have the same issues.
35:52You got the whole Flint Dibble Hancock debate. You got >> I've been attacked personally, you know, by all these different skeptics, academics, and it's still happening today. There's all this kind of back and forth. I mean this is one of the reasons we set up our Megalithania conference was to create a stage you know where academics and alternative researchers could be on the same stage and share and have respect for one another and we still we stick to that now we have top archaeologists coming to our conference and real kind of out there alternative stuff as well.
36:26>> Have you had trouble getting academic people to participate in that? it this is this is interesting right so the way we worked that is that we got we got one one or two of them involved and they all know each other in England and so they they enjoyed themselves so much they weren't everyone respected them at a conference even though we do it in Glastonbury which is kind of hippie town of you know Britain you know he's been there he's been there >> yeah and uh and so >> might be where we're going this afternoon [laughter] >> and so this is uh you know this This is why we set this up really to kind of
37:04bridge that. But no, we get them coming in regularly now and there's a real nice vibe, you know, we kind of created that and we wanted that to kind of push forward. But it's got so much feels like it's got worse in the online world especially where people are battling with one another. But what I have learned and this is from an archaeologist in training, someone who actually comes to our conference. She's like this young lady in her 20s. She's going, she's being taught archaeology properly and she is actually being taught now and she couldn't quite believe this. This is happening just now. It's just started that there's an
37:39acceptance of alternative views [clears throat] >> in the archaeological training.
37:44>> Wow, that's new.
37:45>> Yeah, this is this I was like, what really? And she says, yeah, this is this is what I'm literally I was at a class last week, you know, we were like hanging out. She she were chatting after our conference and it was like this is really happening but this is too late for like what's happening in Turkey. I could tell you all the hoo-ha we get in Turkey >> that is but that I I do want to point out that's a great thing to hear. I haven't heard something like that really at all. So the fact that it's having some sort of tangible effect where they're like well you know what we've been presented with some data we
38:14actually do have to look at it and they're teaching in an academic environment credit where it's due.
38:18That's great. Yeah, this I mean this is it because a lot of discoveries are being made by non-academics. This is what's happening. So this is people like me. This is people like Graeme Hanok.
38:28He's he's a non-academic technically.
38:30He's trained as a journalist. I've done journalism course as well like a university. So you know we're in the same kind of boat. But it's it's slowly changing but it's going to take probably decades for it to manifest in the real world.
38:44>> Sure. you know, and the and you can see what's happening just on the the Twitter sphere. Everyone's attacking each other.
38:50It's is kind of sad to be honest with you, but it does happen.
38:54>> Twitter is and this goes for absolutely anything. It's just bad for people, you know, like I I'm on it, but I don't talk a lot on there cuz it's just like people get you I watch people all the time go down these slippery slopes where they just get harder and harder and harder.
39:12like from a hardo perspective from behind the keyboard and it just divides divides divides like I I I think it really sets us back unfortunately with how we have any discussions be it political be it archaeological be I mean you insert it here there's people fight on the NBA over there like it's [ __ ] World War I you know it's crazy >> I know it is crazy yeah I mean it's it's it's happening in in Turkey as well there's a there's a >> Turkish Twitter >> well this is [laughter] you could say that it's actually the arch the top archaeologist Lee Cla who's >> he sounds Turkish.
39:48>> Yeah. Yeah. He's he's English but he works but he's >> That was a joke. Thank you. [laughter] And uh but Lee Cla he works in Turkey.
39:57He speaks Turkish for the German Archaeological Institute and Stanbul University. He's the head kind of guy.
40:05And he absolutely hates me and he hates my colleague friend Andrew Collins and JJ as well a little bit. And because we keep going there and making little discoveries and writing books about it and he just and he he thinks we're complete pseudo science, completely out there and we're actually quite sensible, you know, when it when it comes if you compare us to some other people.
40:26>> Yeah. You seem like a straight shooter.
40:27>> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. I think Yeah. Yeah.
40:29[laughter] >> Hey guys, if you haven't already subscribed, please hit that subscribe button. It's a huge huge help. Thank you. And so even there even there there's issues and obviously you got the Zahi Has thing going on in in Egypt.
40:42Yeah. Which is which is even funnier.
40:44But you know so that you have you have to kind of deal with this as you go along and and to be honest with you being a non-academic is is a real treat >> cuz we can do what we want. We can go anywhere we want. We can explore. We can kind of go to these sites, investigate them, make videos, write about them without any kind of bias. We don't have to kind of stick to a paradigm that is enclosed within the academic world.
41:10>> We can just go in there and you know speculate a little bit but sensibly a hope >> yes >> about what's going on and interpret as well. And I think this is a lot of the issues we're finding in the ancient world [gasps] are the fact that interpretations are a little bit misguided when it comes to especially in Turkey in my opinion. But there's archaeologists aren't necessarily trained to interpret and analyze the data they're uncovering.
41:39>> What do you mean? where it's more like they are focused on professionally getting the sites out of the ground, preserving them, dating them and things like this. When it comes to interpretation, that's when you need a multi-disciplinary approach. You need multiple different people coming in to have a look.
41:58>> So, this is what's this is an issue everywhere. It's not just Turkey. This is it's been going on like this for a long time. So they put out their own interpretations, but they're limited and focused on what's being what's coming out the ground rather than perhaps looking at the sky, looking at what the stars and the sun were doing in prehistory, looking at the shamanic elements of of how these people lived.
42:24stuff that isn't visible in the archaeological kind of findings, but is if if you know how to look, you can decode the symbolism and work out this means stuff that was going on in the sky. This means they were shamans. This means they were into animism or or things like this. And I think this is where one of the issues I think Graeme Hancock's brought this up as well. You need to get experts in from different skill sets to come and look at these sites, but the archaeologists don't necessarily allow that. And so hopefully that as my friend who's being trained as an archaeologist, hopefully that might
42:57be changing by the sounds of it.
42:59>> How does this how does this process work though? So [sighs] if a news area is discovered in Turkey cuz we're discovering stuff all the time there and it's discovered by someone who's not an archaeologist.
43:14Obviously it's within the bounds of Turkey. So the Turkish government gets involved and then is it a situation as simple as they go, okay, you found something. Now we have to bring in archaeologists and archaeologists kind of create a caution tape around the area and therefore all these other types of people that could come in and help them better do their job don't have the opportunity to.
43:35>> Yeah. Uh in in some respects one of the I mean I can give you an example.
43:41There's a site in I can actually show you an image of it here if I can find it. There's a site in Turkey. It's one of the test sites which we'll get in we can get into obviously shortly. is called Ayan La Hoyek. Now, we went there. Um, we went there. Let me just find this image for you. If I can actually got it somewhere. We went to this site. This is one of the 12 test sites which is on the verge of being excavated. They've just literally started doing it recently. And yeah, finally found the image. So, this is it here.
44:14>> Okay.
44:14>> So, this is I've only got a couple of images here, but this is really interesting. This is a huge site. If you look on the bottom right, there's the map. There's all these mounds which are each going to have multiple enclosures with on within them like we get at Quebec. But this thing that's spinning on the left there, this is a T-shaped pillar >> lying on the ground in a field at the site.
44:37>> A T-shaped pillar.
44:38>> A T-shaped pillar. You can see it better here.
44:41>> There's me.
44:42>> Okay, got it.
44:43>> There's me with the top of a broken and very badly damaged T-shaped pillar. And this is just lying on the ground and we discovered this when we were looking around myself and JJ Ainsworth in 2022 and we thought, "Wow, this is major." So we put it out there, you know, we we told several people hope we thought the authorities might, you know, our tour guy might get in touch with them. They know about it. They've seen our videos.
45:07They they follow what we do. They keep an eye on us basically. And we we've been going back there twice or three times a year since then. And it's still sitting there in the field where it was done until >> literally weeks ago when they started the excavation.
45:22>> No [ __ ] Okay.
45:24>> So, three three years. So, there's three years of that sitting around in a field.
45:29Nothing going on.
45:30>> Wait, what's is this China doing it?
45:33>> There's a Japanese team.
45:34>> Oh, [laughter] there's a Japanese team. [laughter] I guess. Yeah. Close, but no cigar. Not yet.
45:45>> Sorry, it's a morning shoot. I'm going to [laughter] get so much.
45:50>> Well, you have to edit that a bit. Yeah.
45:52>> No, no, we'll keep it in. Mistakes.
45:54>> But there but there is also there is a ch there are Chinese teams working in Tepella area now. But then now this Japanese team have come in and actually opened it up as a proper excavation and hopefully they're going to preserve that tea and hopefully find many more. So that's one that's one example that we were involved with. So imagine what else is going on. In my defense, I thought that said Chinite Tech. It says Chibate Tech.
46:16>> Okay.
46:17>> Over there or whatever, but it was right below the flag. You know, >> you're defended. Okay. Perfectly. There you go. All right. No problem.
46:24[laughter] >> Oh, Mark [snorts] Gagnan's going to have a fit.
46:28>> So, these are all the sites in Southeast Turkey. So, you can see Ayan, the top left there, the one that isn't circled on the top left, that is Ayan La Hoyak.
46:35That's where that is found. So, it's one of the most western uh parts of >> and that that area there is probably like 40 mi wide.
46:43>> Okay, that's what I was going to ask.
46:44>> Up to 50 maybe. But the whole area, this goes further east, further west, is 125 miles wide. [clears throat] >> How close is this to Lake Vaughn?
46:54>> Lake V. Oh, you're talking several hundred miles to to the the northeast.
47:00>> Lake Vaughn is a very interesting place.
47:01I know you've probably had Matt Lacroy talking about that. Yeah, we've been up there a lot actually as well. And there but that's traditionally the garden of Eden that kind of area around varn as well. So that is heavily linked with this area as well even though several hundred miles away.
47:16>> But yeah, but this is this is what is known as Tas Templar. I call it the Tas Templar super civilization. That's going to be the probably the title of our upcoming book with JJ.
47:25>> Oo, that's a hard title. I like that.
47:27>> Yeah, it's pretty intense.
47:28>> Taste super civilization.
47:30>> And test means Stone Hills. That's that's that's the name of the project officially. This is the official project created by all the archaeologists.
47:40They now have something like 200 people working on 12 different sites now. So it's happening. There's been this big debate about Quebec slowing down. You know, not enough archaeology being done there. Jimmy Corsetti and others have been focused on that. But we've been back there. We go back two or three times a year. So we know what's going on. and they're kick they're kicking into it next year. But stuff's being excavated. This is pretty major. I mean, the the the most interesting site to me because of a discovery I'm going to tell you all about we made there is Carahan.
48:13>> That's the one down in the it's in the middle of the Tech Tech Mountains.
48:18And that is a Let me just show you. I mean, >> yeah, let's go through that. Matt Lacroyy's talked about that in here as well.
48:23>> Yeah. So this is this is what um Carahanepe looked like before excavation began in 2019. This >> and this is your drone footage.
48:33>> This is my drone footage. There's me and my >> You have some good drone footage.
48:36>> Yeah. Well, I've been a a professional drone kind of years. I can tell it's clean.
48:42>> And uh yeah, that's one of the things I'm actually very focused on as it's kind of I I love it. It's like the best toy in the world.
48:48>> Yeah. I got to give this to Danny, my editor. Should we use this as B-roll?
48:52>> Yes. So this is what it looked like before. So this whole area in front of us to the left, completely unexavated back then. There were just teaillars, tops of them sticking out the ground.
49:03This was filmed in 2018, >> but we I've been going there since 2014, this site in particular, >> and only in 2019 did they begin excavation. Since then, I've got some brand new drone footage of this is what it looks like now. This is like filmed a couple of months ago.
49:23>> Holy [ __ ] >> That's actually >> That's the same spot.
49:26>> That's the same spot.
49:28>> Yeah. So, this is how quickly they're working.
49:30>> Can you go back real fast?
49:31>> Yeah. Yeah. You want to compare it?
49:33Yeah.
49:33>> The [ __ ] >> Let's have a little comparison.
49:35>> That was the first one. I'm trying to even make out where those stones are in the second one. Okay.
49:39>> It's basically we're we're going this we're going this way around on this one and the other way around on the other one.
49:43>> Yeah, that's where they actually >> Yeah. And and further down to the left there as well. Yeah. All around down there. Can we flip back to the new one now?
49:52>> So, this now turns into that. Whoa.
49:56>> Yeah, it's major. And they haven't even start.
49:58>> It's major.
49:59>> Yeah. [laughter] >> Oh, that's major. I >> It's major. And so, they they barely started on It's only like 5 10% has been done already. So, they got a huge amount to do.
50:08>> Wait, how do they know the percentage?
50:09>> They they've done some scans like some uh GPR, ground penetrating radar.
50:13>> Wow.
50:14>> So, they know what's going on. I mean, this has been known about since 1997, but not excavated till.
50:20>> Look at all the teeth, dude.
50:21>> It is It is pretty incredible when you about [clears throat] it. Yeah.
50:26>> Okay. So, what are we looking at here?
50:28>> So, this goes back 9,400 BC. They're the dates they've got. We're talking 200 years, what younger than Gbecepe.
50:36This is an overhead view. This area here fascinates me. So, let me just I mean, if we can just go back here, we can maybe describe it. So, you got the giant enclosures like the big circle there like in the middle of the screen and another one up the top of the hill.
50:52They're like 70 ft wide. You know, these are big like 20 m, 23 m, something like that. Giant tea.
51:00>> Yeah, look at the people there. You can see you can see the scale. the whole kind of settlement appears to have been built up around it as well, which is uh one of the debates whether it was a domestic site or whether it was a ritual site.
51:13>> But this area over here, so you got the main enclosure there, but you also got these two little areas. One of them is called structure AB, the one on the sort of bottom left there, >> with the little pillars. Another one structure AA.
51:26>> So you can see it better here. This is structure AA or the pit shrine we call it. And then notice the one above it that is almost got a serpent kind of carving going a serpent shape with all these pillars carved out of the bedrock going into the main enclosure there.
51:41>> This is nuts.
51:42>> This is nuts. This is all car. So there's so much of this on the right hand side there.
51:45>> Is that an atrium they think right there? Like a like a uh like an amphitheater. Yeah. Are >> those stairs?
51:52>> Yeah, the steps. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them, like the ones on the right, they're carved out of bedrock going and it's kind of going up the hill to the right there. The rest of them are free would have been giant freestanding megaliths like T-shaped pillars.
52:06And so there's a lot of work carving directly into limestone bedrock, which is insane for this time. They weren't >> 9,400 years ago.
52:14>> I mean, they weren't even supposed to be doing anything like this till Sumeriia or Egypt, like four 5,000 years later.
52:20And so, and this is just one small part of one of the sites. Now, they say there's 12 sites, but we believe there's 40 maybe. Some people say 100 >> in this same spot >> in this whole area. 125 m 40. Oh, 125 mile.
52:36>> Yeah. So, there's like So, this is why I call it a super civilization. This is clearly the first civilization in the planet. And we can get I mean, one of the reasons that we know of >> that we know. Yeah. I mean, more could be buried. And the only reason this survived is cuz this was all buried.
52:50>> This was all deliberately buried. This wasn't like if this had been left out to the elements, there'd be nothing left of any of this. And so you got to like consider these kind of aspects here. But yeah, I mean one of the reasons I'm so fascinated by this, we as myself and JJ there, this is like something that happened. This is a bit of a story as well. It's quite you quite like this one on. So this is like the winter solstice 2021. This is when this occurred. We went to Turkey. We wanted Carantepe had just been excavated. It's the first time we could go there after COVID and all that stuff. And we turn up there. I turn
53:26up the day before the 20th on the 19th.
53:30And being a drone pilot, I fly my drone.
53:33But with permission of the landowner's son, I won't put his name up um here. Um he thought it was okay. I thought it was okay. He was with me. We filmed at the drone. Then the military guy that was there called Istanbul University and got us in trouble and my friend who owned his son the son of the owner of the land in trouble as well.
53:54>> Oh no.
53:55>> And and it caused all this problem, you know, and we didn't know. We were just flying it, you know, thought it would be fun. Um, get some cool shots and then but JJ didn't come with me that day. She had to go the next day and then the next day we leave. So we had to go the next day. It was so important. So I go back home. Next thing I know, I get a call from my friend who you the son of the land owner.
54:14>> And he says, "Oh, by the way, you can't come tomorrow because all the officials are now turning up and you're going to get in trouble. You might even get arrested." And we're like, "What? You serious?" I said, "What?" I said, "What time are they coming?" He said, "Oh, like 10 or 11:00 a.m." I said, "Okay, we'll come before that." And he said, "No, no, they might come earlier." I said, "We'll come even earlier. We'll come at, you know, we'll come for sunrise. You know, we just have to get to the site. JJ has to see it. I need to see it properly. I need to have a look."
54:39So we are forced to turn up really early before the archaeologists and the officials and potentially the police get there and we go in there and we make a major discovery by being forced to go in early. We see this head. This is the pillar shrine. This is structure AB. We see that head illuminated.
54:59>> Oh [ __ ] In the right side and we're like what the hell is this? And there's a port hole stone. You see the port hole stone on the left there? The hold stone.
55:06>> Yeah.
55:06>> This is all carved out of bedrock. Yeah.
55:08So, the sun is coming through only on winter solstice morning, illuminating that head.
55:14>> They hadn't seen that head. How the hell do you miss that?
55:16>> They seen the head, but they hadn't seen the light hitting it.
55:19>> And so, the light was coming through like that.
55:21>> Oh, wow.
55:22>> That's how it's going through.
55:23>> That's like eyesight.
55:24>> Yeah. This is like precision engineered bedrock carving, 9,400 BC. But check this out. So, over a 45minute period, the head gets illuminated like this.
55:37like 45 minutes. The the the blade of light coming through that really thin port hole sty comes through and it moves around the head as it rises. It's it's we couldn't believe. Look, you can see the time. I got a time lapse here.
55:50>> That's some straight up [ __ ] >> Watch the head here. But this is speeded up. Obviously, other words will be here for 45 minutes. But this is speeded up.
55:57Look at the way the sun comes through that port hole.
56:01>> And like we check this all out. We we work with, you know, archo astronomers and engineers. We we we put the sky back to 9,000 or so BC >> and it would have been >> and it worked even better.
56:12>> Yeah.
56:12>> Slightly better. Even higher on the face. So we know and it go and the beard right it goes into the chin. That area there little goatee.
56:20>> But that that area there is like like a V-shaped and it's got scales carved into it like it's some kind of serpent with a head on it kind of going into the bedrock and that's what gets illuminated as well. So you have this serpent symbolism, the face and then that being illuminated. So this is this is kind of what it looks like. This is how the sun would move. We've worked this all out.
56:40We've written papers and articles. It's uh numerous books now. But the archaeologist won't accept it >> at all. They say they say it's pseudocience.
56:51>> When Okay. When you say they won't accept it, did they even read it?
56:56>> I doubt it.
56:58>> That's so annoying. Like >> it doesn't it doesn't mean you're I mean you look >> looks like you got some pretty good [ __ ] evidence to me, but like it doesn't even mean you're right, but like how how do you shut something like that down without at least I mean that's >> that's insane. So this this is right. So what happens? I mean with the winter solstice, this is like the extreme point on the horizon, the most southerntherly point. So you got the horizon there, you got east there.
57:21>> Yeah. You got northeast, southeast.
57:24Southeast is where the most extreme point of the sun reaches on the winter solstice. Then around Christmas day, it starts moving back, starts rising, then it comes back to the and then you got the summer solstice over there. So it only works that only gets illuminated on those few days.
57:40>> Yeah.
57:40>> In the winter solstice zone.
57:42>> You know, this is it's very precise.
57:44They it's designed, you know, it's a billion to one chance. This is coincidence. There's no doubt about it.
57:51So we took this to another level and we actually worked with Kevin Esinger. He's a 3D graphic artist and he also so we gave him all the data from the site and he re he's been rebuilding it with us.
58:02We're working on it now. We've only done the preliminary work.
58:06>> This is his work.
58:07>> This is his work here. And uh we're now analy we put the night sky in from 9,000 BC 9,400 BC and we're working on it now.
58:16And we found that it works just as well.
58:19You know, even if you have all the pillars in place, there's nothing blocking it. And you can just go on and on with this really. Uh yeah, and we This is what we even put a roof on it because there's a big debate that there was roofs over these enclosures. So, we've been in discussions with many people who claim no this alignment doesn't exist. This is what the archaeologists believe as well because they had they used to have roofs on them and so there can't be any alignments cuz it'll block it.
58:45>> The light could get in. But which so we put a roof on it just to annoy them and uh and this is what happens. It perfectly allows the light in and you see the head getting illuminated. That's with a that's with a roof frame. Okay.
58:58>> And then Kevin worked with these Native American porny roof construction techniques specific Native American the way they build roofs over their kveras and structures in the southwest.
59:13And even with a thatch roof and even if you just have one, you have to have windows in roofs, right?
59:19>> But a natural window between the timber frames, if you just have one there, you get the whole alignment happening.
59:27>> Even with a big roof trying to block it, so we know it's for real. We know this is a genuine alignment. It's kind of un it's kind of you can't really disprove it. I've wr I've written this all up.
59:38This is all in this this article here.
59:40People can check it out. Um, and there's also I I did a whole voice thing on a YouTube video.
59:46>> Yeah, let's link that down below for people to refer to. Reconstructing Carahan's 11,400y old winter solstice alignment.
59:55>> And so this kind of me to me this shows us several things. The most important thing being these were sophisticated people.
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