0:01Let's get to the Amanda Unaro thing.
0:03Yeah. So, again, I I referenced this at the beginning, but if you see jump cuts, that's because there's something that, you know, in reviewing this with Amanda, she wants to keep off record. But, hey guys, just as a quick note, I was able to get everything I'm about to say cleared by Amanda herself, and she also was nice enough to send over some of the screenshots pertaining to at least some of the things I'm talking about. So, I'm going to go check that out on the edit right now. and whatever is relevant to things I said. When you hear a whoosh sound, that means it went on the screen and you can see some sort of document or
0:37email right there. Like I said, I I really needed 3, four hours with her. I got an hour so I could get an outline.
0:45But right off the bat, what I'll say is there were things that she said that were the direct opposite of what she would be incentivized to say. As an example, and I'll get to the details of this in a minute, she said that she and Paulo in all the years she was with and without him, there was like a three-year gap in there at one point, for example.
1:10It was roughly 20 years. They never talked about Epstein ever.
1:16And like she's incentivized to be like, "Oh, he talked about him all the time."
1:20And you know, I knew everything they were doing. We know that Palo Xampi, according to evidence, was looking to buy a modeling agency with Jeffrey Epstein as a partner. I forget which one. It's maybe a Lee. I I don't remember in like 04. Like he's in business with the guy and everything.
1:38And yet Amanda's saying, "Nope, didn't really talk about it." So, I took like some bullet point notes of like things that can come on the record. Because like I said, at the end of the conversation, I said, "Okay, here's what I think we could talk about. Let me know what you think of that." And she's like, "Yes, absolutely. Go through this, this, and this." And then there were a couple things that was like, "All right, let's that would be best to not talk about that right now." But essentially, Amanda was modeling in Milan by age 13. Now, [snorts] I didn't get to really dig deeper on this, but she doesn't make any claims
2:19that anything ever happened to her. She I would describe her as a very tough woman for sure. She's definitely uh I would not want to get on her bad side. I I I I do want to throw that out there def definitely. But, you know, she was modeling at a young age. She was from Brazil, ends up in Milan at 13. She's living in Paris at like 15, 16, right to when she's 17 modeling. And I believe it was she was working for Jean Luke Brunell at at his modeling agency. Some of that was like a little unclear, but the way she ended up in the United States is at age 17 in I believe 2001, she got on the Lolita Express with
3:04Jeffrey Epstein, Gilen Maxwell, Jeanluke Brunell, and 30 other girls. That's how she got to New York. and she claims nothing happened to her on that flight, but she said, you know, these girls were very comfortable, like as if they had been in that environment before and that Epstein and Maxwell and Brunell, this was like very normal for them and there would be girls sitting on the lap of Epstein and stuff.
3:30And she thought some of it was a little weird. But what was odd was when she went to get off the plane in in the US, John Luke Brunell threw her a and John Luke Brunell, by the way, is the guy who definitely unal aliveded himself. That's what the government told me, so I'm going to choose to believe them.
3:48President's Day weekend 2022 in his I believe Parisian jail cell.
3:53>> Yeah.
3:53>> You know, I'm I'm sure there was nothing more there. But anyway, he was the Jeffrey Epstein's longtime buddy and a major modeling scout and executive in Europe who is also alleged to have been central to the trafficking operation on that side of the map as it pertains to Epstein and his orbit, if you will. But Jean Lu Brunell threw Amanda Unaro a a plastic like circular baggie. She said that contained a lot of drugs. She knew right away it was drugs. She threw it back and said, "No, you take this shit."
4:34>> I like her accent's great. It's it's it's like the way she explains things is is very entertaining.
4:40>> But she threw it back to him and she left and she never saw Gilan Maxwell or Jeffrey Epstein. Not sure about Brunell, but Epstein and Maxwell, she never saw them again. I don't know if she ever saw Epstein again, but she never saw Maxwell again until around 2014. I'll get to that point in the story when Amanda started doing some stuff with the UN and she ran into Maxwell as it pertains to her [ __ ] Prestige Worldwide very fake organization called Terramar trying to save the world's oceans or whatever the [ __ ] they were doing. I'll I'll get to that. But again, she would be incentivized, in my opinion, to say, "Oh, I was
5:19hanging out with them all the time.
5:20Paulo talked about them with me all the time. I saw them all the time. We all knew what they were doing."
5:24>> She's incentivized to do that because she definitely hates her ex, Palo Zoli.
5:29I understand that. And you know, she's also sitting in Brazil right now, not in America, with her son as a result of I'll get to that part of the story, Paulo getting her just pushed out of this country. And and I think what amounts to forms of blackmail, those are the claims. This is pure spec. These are alleged, your honor.
5:52>> This is just allegations from someone that I am reporting secondhand.
5:57>> I don't know. I Palo Zanoli might be a great guy, but it's possible alleged just we we got to cover the bases here, Joe. You know, >> it's good biz.
6:11>> It's how it is. So, Amanda says that she met Paulo in Brazil when she was 15. Okay, so this would have been when she was signed to I forget which modeling maybe it was ID at that point, but one of the modeling companies and right before she went to live in Paris for a year or two. [snorts] That's interesting because Palisan Poli would have been by my math around 29 years old at that time.
6:46>> Meaning a 15y old. We all know how dirty the modeling business has apparently been in the past and probably still is in some ways. Hopefully not nearly as bad as it clearly used to be where what I mean by that is they'd be recruiting girls when they're 12, 13 cuz they're like, "Oh, she's a looker."
7:04>> Yeah.
7:04>> She'll be the next one. And then God knows what happens to them when that happens. So I say that because he met her when she's 15 and she's a young model. She was already a model at that point. And it hypothetically could have been a part of his job that he was meeting her.
7:22Obviously, I think it went beyond that because he ended up with her. Again, I have to be careful how I say these things, but >> pure spec.
7:29>> Pure respect. We're all drawing certain conclusions out there. And I think you're very reasonable to draw those conclusions, by the way.
7:37>> But you don't want to dip the pen in company ink.
7:40>> That's right. It's exactly right.
7:42>> That's it. Are we sponsored by Red Bull now? Did I miss that?
7:45>> We ought to be.
7:47>> Gives you wings.
7:48>> Yeah, come on you guys.
7:49>> It gives you wings. I got nothing against Red Bull. But anyway, we're not sponsored by Red Bull to be clear.
7:55>> Send the money.
7:56>> So he Please, we really need it.
7:58>> Come on.
7:59>> We really do. I don't know where all these guys get the money.
8:01>> Yeah, I don't know.
8:02>> Like what was Baron was like Kirk was making 2530 A YEAR. WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?
8:07>> THAT'S THE KIRK effect though, dude.
8:09Come on.
8:10Well, that's be that's before the you know.
8:13>> Yeah. Big biz.
8:15>> It's huge biz.
8:16>> Big donors.
8:17>> Huge bis. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
8:20>> Listen, >> I drive a Honda. I like my Honda.
8:22>> Listen, we we uh tighten up this reporting on the war. And by tighten up, I mean we just um flip-flop.
8:29>> Oh, ignore this.
8:30>> We're going to have money flying through the door.
8:34>> So, we're going to take that $50 million bag. [laughter] >> Exactly.
8:38turned down and we hung out with Paulo who's a very informative man.
8:43>> You don't really understand.
8:46>> I asked her about that too. That's coming.
8:48>> Yeah, we'll get there.
8:48>> We'll get there. But anyway, so he meets Palisan Poli meets Amanda as she alleges at age 15.
8:57She then reconnects with him.
9:00I want to say the next time she reconnected him was in fact in New York.
9:05can't remember if she mentioned if she ever saw him in Paris, but I'm I'm pretty sure it was not until she was in New York after she had gotten off the Lolita Express >> and was here.
9:14>> And the way she explains it, the timeline is that he began full-blown dating her when she was in New York. And to give the benefit of the doubt of the timeline, I would imagine it lines up with her being 18, if that does anything for anyone out there. Obviously, the whole thing weird. He was [snorts] He's born in 1970 and this would have been in 2002. So he's 32, she's 18. I think that's weird.
9:43>> Couldn't be me.
9:44>> Yeah.
9:44>> Couldn't be me.
9:45>> Yeah, >> chief. But >> I guess that would be legal, right? So >> they start dating and this is where I had to she jumped around a bit and I and I would bring it back and forth. So, I'm going to stay with that, too, because what she was saying kind of then gives context to things when we go back. So, just bear with me on the timeline here.
10:14But again, she says that nothing ever happened to her from from like as a model coming up from like an abuse perspective in that way. She began dating Paulo eventually. He never married her, but eventually they had a child together and she was living with him and with him for until 2015ish. And I'll get there in a second.
10:42But so that's that's a lot of years.
10:44>> Yeah.
10:44>> By the way, and the way I would describe Paulo, good friend of ours, Joey De apparently.
10:53But you know, the way I would describe Paulo is very similar to Tony Soprano. So, if you remember, Tony Soprano [ __ ] cheated on his wife all the time. Amanda explains to me he cheated on her all the time.
11:10And yet when Carmemella, spoiler alert if you haven't [ __ ] seen The Sopranos, when Carmemella went to separate from Tony and look at a divorce, he refused to let it happen. And then he even went so far as to talk with every high-powered divorce attorney in the area. So that then they had a conflict and couldn't talk with her. And the idea was he would he would get extremely angry at the idea of her so much as seeing another dude even though they were separated. And of course he was getting whatever box he wanted to get.
11:41But you know it was like only I can have you. No one else can have you. That's how Paulo treats Amanda for sure. The difference is and here's the difference.
11:54Tony Soprano who was a textbook sociopath to be clear. Tony Soprano actually loved Carmela. I actually do believe that as much as a sociopath can feel love. I think he did. I don't get the sense Palisan Poli loves Amanda Unaro or ever did. I don't know. I I've never talked with Palazan Poli. There's not a [ __ ] ton of him out there talking a lot over the years. There's some We've played some of it, but like I don't know that he's capable of that. And the pattern with him repeatedly is that no, no, you're mine. You're you're with me.
12:30I won't marry you. I have a kid with you. I I won't marry you and I'll [ __ ] everything else that moves, but you're mine and you're with me and that's it.
12:41And so that is a pattern that I think is very clearly demonstrated throughout their 20 24 year odyssey together. At that point, Paulo when he began dating her, of course, told her that he'd make her a star. all that with modeling. He lovebombed her. You know, you you heard Naen Maluso talk about that back in episode 302 with me. She was the Wolf of Wall Street's wife and ex-wife now. But, you know, she talked about how, you know, he was a raging narcissist and he would just give her a lot of gifts and give her a lot of things to make her feel like she was loved and all that. So, that's similar thing happened with Amanda at the
13:26beginning. And again, she's young. Like clearly to me, Amanda had to grow up quickly, way quicker than any kid should ever have to. But that also stunts a lot of development that happens as well. And at the same time, when you're 18, 19, 20, you may be more less green at the world because you've seen a lot of [ __ ] in her case, but like you're still 18, 19, 20. And like that stuff has a psychological effect on on you. But anyway, she has a child with him. as she said, she has no contact with Epstein and Maxwell during these years. And then in 2014, she begins working at the UN. And the way she describes the UN, like I know
14:06it's a [ __ ] up place. I know there's a lot of [ __ ] going on there, but this is just like a [ __ ] this is like a like a legalized black market of like wealthy diplomats around the world to just [ __ ] around and maybe never find out.
14:21>> Yeah, I mean checks out.
14:23>> It does check out. So she had left the fashion industry and in June 2014, Keith Mitchell, who was the prime minister of Grenada, appointed Unaro as United Nations ambassador for youth affairs.
14:35Now again, when you only have an hour with someone, this is a textbook example of like something I'd like to know more about. What the [ __ ] does Amanda have to do with Grenada? That's number one.
14:45Number two, I forgot Grenada was a country and then I remembered like we like took it over in like a day in 1984.
14:52And number three, like ambassador for youth affairs. What does that mean? What are what does that mean? What like [laughter] what are the qualifications here? I don't know. And I'm sure Amanda would, I'm gonna guess I should say, would probably be pretty blunt about the fact that it's all [ __ ] even on her end maybe with some of the things she was doing because she went through this whole thing about how in the UN [ __ ] were just selling diplomatic passports for 250 grand.
15:26>> Yeah.
15:27>> And I'm like, what? I don't what does that mean? And she's like, well, it's a diplomatic passport. You can you can go from one place to another. And the way I took it was a bunch of these small countries that you and I have never heard of.
15:39>> This is where they get their juice and they're like, "Ah, we can give you a passport from our country so you can travel wherever the [ __ ] you want."
15:46>> Dominica, >> never heard of it. Now you have. And that was the funny part. She was telling me about, you know, Pala wanted to get involved with the UN to get closer to some people. So he made up some [ __ ] about the oceans. And I'm like, yeah, what does he know ABOUT OCEANS? SHE'S LIKE, NOTHING. NOT THE damn thing. And I was like, "Okay, yeah, I also was unaware Dominica was a country." And I think she laughed at that. I think I said that to her. I I was definitely thinking that, but I I I think I said that to her. And then I never got like what his affiliation with Dominica was because there was none. It's just
16:22another Caribbean island. For all I know, it could have been owned by Jeffrey Epstein. Like I'm Can we Google that just to make like make sure for the 50th time that that's actually a [ __ ] country?
16:32Who owns Dominica?
16:33>> Who owns Dominica? Do I have any Dominicans out there? Not like Dominican Republics, but the other Dominicans.
16:42>> Um, it's not owned by any person.
16:44>> It's not owned by >> Gain full independence from Great Britain.
16:48>> Oh, we love that. Good for them. They fought the Red Coats and won 200 years later. Good for them.
16:53>> November 3rd, 1978. And it operates as a sovereign democratic republic.
16:58>> I want to see who this person is. Head of State President Sioi Burton. Deep's going to look into that. It's a sovereign Democratic republic. Got that sovereign democratic republic republic [ __ ] passports being passed around apparently too.
17:13>> Yeah.
17:13>> Pure spec.
17:14>> That's Si.
17:15>> So this is Si. This is their leader. She won in 2023. She was born in the village of Crayfish River as a member of the >> King Kago people and holds a bachelor's degree in rural development and a master's degree in project management.
17:34>> All right. Good for her. Great.
17:35>> All right. So, checks out.
17:37>> She's qualified.
17:38>> Yeah. Qualified for the job. Got a degree. Anyway, so Paulo has this affiliation. And another thing I didn't get to dig deeply on is again he's ambassador for the oceans.
17:53What was Gilen Maxwell's very fake Tramar project about the oceans? What's going on in the oceans?
18:03>> What's happening down in the oceans, boy?
18:05>> The aliens.
18:06>> And it something we ain't know about 95% of that [ __ ] down there.
18:11>> Yeah, they're just like keyed in on Atlantis. That's where all this shit's going down.
18:16>> That's right. They're having a satanic ritual with a bunch of [ __ ] >> I didn't want to give the visual, >> you know.
18:22>> But we we we get it. We know.
18:23>> They're desecrating Atlantis. Get Randall Carlson in here. He's going to lose his [ __ ] mind on these people.
18:28These people have no [ __ ] idea what any of this [ __ ] is, man. I know the history. Not them.
18:35>> Anyway, so Oh, the other thing she threw in a shot he was doing pal. Can we Google this? I I didn't even Google this. Yeah, I know.
18:43Exactly.
18:43>> How was doing something with the tigers?
18:46She's like all that [ __ ] with tigers. He just wanted to get close to Putin because he loved tigers.
18:52[laughter] I'm like I'm like that's not helping the conspiracy theories here.
18:56But all right. So entrepreneur and diplomat Palisan Poli is well known for featuring live tiger cubs at his lavish birthday. That's not I feel like that's not saving the tiger. Okay. at his lavish birthday parties as part of an eccentric effort to raise awareness for endangered wild tigers, later sparking headlines when a collection of expensive art tigers was stolen from his New York property. That's some cartel kingpin [ __ ] That's something like when you go down to like the barrier that you're not allowed to go to down in [ __ ] Mexico out in the foothills where some guy's been living for 40 years living
19:32off of cocaine revenue just has this open air party where maybe some people when they say the wrong thing gets shot in the back and never heard from again where everyone's partying there's [ __ ] you know Don Diablo's there playing shout out Don Diablo he's paid a lot of money to do this I'm sure pure spec obviously never happened but you know maybe Flow Ride is there I don't know I don't And they're just performing, getting the people going. A little sexy time on the dance floor. And then in the middle, you have some dude in the middle of one of them cages and he's got some really like couple hot strippers next to him and
20:04they're blowing the strippers are blowing like the fire through the bubble thing. And then next to them in the cage is like >> tigers >> like tigers roaring and he says, "We're here to save the tigers."
20:14>> And then someone's like he goes to feed the tiger. He's like, "That's the last guy you sat [laughter] on."
20:20>> That's right. You know, >> it's like, you know, same same way that Pablo Escobar was trying to save the hippos. That's definitely what he was doing.
20:28>> Well, there was a heist involved with this, too.
20:30>> Oh, no.
20:31>> You see this? There was um >> Give it to me, Joey Def.
20:34>> Yeah. I mean, uh Yeah. Um the Global Tiger Fund, Zampoli, commissioned artists to decorate roughly 75 ceramic and fiberglass art tigers intended to be sold to benefit wildlife conservation.
20:48In 2012 December, a brazen daylight heist occurred at his Gramarcy Park area property in Manhattan.
20:56>> She was living there then.
20:57>> Thieves stole around 18 of the expensive ceramic and fiberglass tiger statues while neighbors watched.
21:04>> While neighbors watched.
21:05>> They're probably like They're like, "Ah, [ __ ] them." [laughter] Like, you know what you There's There's 10 more in there. They're like, "Oh, it could be a moving crew." And it's like clearly burglars with like [laughter] shyies on. You're like, "No, he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] Let Let them clean him out." [laughter] >> Oh, also there's there's a real height difference between these two, too. Side note, >> she's taller.
21:29>> That's kind of I kind I think that's kind of cool sometimes.
21:32>> Can you Google that? I mean, it's it's a big difference.
21:34>> Yeah.
21:35>> We're not We're not talking like two three inches here.
21:38>> I was just thinking about >> He's like Mussolini.
21:42>> Yeah, you're working with some tough geometry there. Look at that.
21:47Just get that first one right there.
21:51>> Yeah.
21:53You know, >> that's probably why he's trying to take over the world. He's just, you know, not tall enough. I don't know. I don't know.
22:00That's what Matt Cox says. Don't shoot the messenger. My friend Matt Cox, [gasps] you know, says, "Always look out for us short people."
22:08>> Yeah, he looks like a mobster.
22:10>> Yeah, we got a bone. He does look like a mobster. like he he looks like he is like the the union head for some construction union >> everywhere. Yep. 100%.
22:22>> He's like, "Listen, you know, we're projected 12 months on the project. [ __ ] it. 38."
22:26>> That's right.
22:26>> They're like, "3 months?" He's like, "Yeah, [ __ ] it.
22:29>> [ __ ] it.
22:29>> These guys need jobs. We're going to give them jobs."
22:33[laughter] >> He's even got the the Italian accent, too, because he's from there.
22:38>> So, he could be like one of the imports.
22:40>> Yeah.
22:41Furio Juna, you know, >> this isn't pure spec. I don't trust him.
22:45>> Yeah. Yeah, that's not pure spec. I don't trust them either. But anyway, back to what Amanda was saying. So, they're selling a bunch of passports for 250. Then she threw in something. I was like, you know, this is and they kept [laughter] going. This is Zoom. I just can't. But she's like, yeah, that's why China killed that one guy for giving out a passport or something like that to him. Maybe it was like a bad passport. I don't know. But that was like a real little TMZ moment in the middle of there. They're like, "Oh, I guess I guess there's uh some blood, guts, and gore in the UN, too. Chinese man gets
23:19death." No, no, no, that's not it. It's it's some It was someone at the UN from some other country, and she just very casually is like, "That's why the Chinese kill him."
23:29>> Geck, >> yeah, >> I don't know.
23:32>> They do that.
23:35I've heard some things, but that's, you know, that is what it is. But like I said, until she runs into Gilen at the UN, she had never seen her and spoken to her during the during that time period, the 13 years since the plane ride. And she she didn't have like a close relationship with Gilen at the UN. She mentioned like seeing her at some of the cocktail parties and stuff like that.
24:02And it was like a casual yes. No, you obviously like she knew Paulo.
24:07>> Mhm.
24:08>> Knew Gilen pretty well. More on that in a minute. But she didn't speak about Epstein with Paulo at all. And she only spoke with Paulo about Gilen when she found the and this is some years after that after 2014 when she found the emails between Gilen and Paulo and Paulo had had said publicly like when she found these emails this was this was after co so Paulo at that point had apparently according to Amanda said publicly like oh no I barely knew Gilen whatever it's you know that and then when Amanda I'll get to that in a minute how she got this but when she got the emails she saw that they were talking like oh
24:58where are you going in June or whatever like talking as friends a lot of back and forth like about social life and things they were doing so he was not being honest about that but what happened was in 2015 she goes to separate from Paulo and she moves out and they eventually come to a separation agreement in 2018. And as a part of that agreement, according to Amanda, he was he was going to agree to help get her her green card and visa and a bunch of that stuff to basically keep her immigration status kosher here in America.
25:33>> Y >> that never happens. He doesn't get her any of that stuff. And so then COVID hits and he's calling her, begging her to come like at least move back in.
25:46And he said that he'll get, according to her, he'll give her a floor of that, you know, very big place in Grand Mercy Park that he has and he'll live on a different floor or whatever. Eventually, she gives in, you know, cuz she has a son with the guy, too. And moves in and she's with him. She describes herself as in a relationship with him. Again, maybe this is like 2020. So, she said it got really bad in 2021 and 2022.
26:11She alleges I want to leave that part open-ended, but she just alleges it was really bad and that he he's he has I'll say a not good personality to live with. We we'll put it that way. I'll let you guys kind of fill in the blanks. And you know, she had mentioned when that she had been to like some of the years get a little weird like when she's with him when she's not to be frank with you. like we just have that one separation agreement in 2018, but like is it on, is it off? I I'm a little unclear on all that. So, I don't want to like give it concrete. It was definitely from this time to that time. So, let me
26:51just say between 2015 and 2023 is a very foggy time period for their relationship, but there's times when she's with him, times when she's not, and then there's agreement in the middle that he's going to help her with immigration and he does not. So she, you know, in 2122, he was banging other women, you know, he would have she alleges that he would have some ladies of the night over. Do with that what you will, that kind of thing. [laughter] And and eventually in 2023, she leaves altogether and she moves to Miami. And as far as I can tell from what she said, she takes her son with her there. I don't know what the setup
27:33was with Paulo seeing her son, you know, on and off during that time period like as his father. I'm I'm not sure. But some of the part that we're going to keep off record involves the arrest and I believe that was May or June 2025 of her and her now husband. So, she she went down to Miami and she alleges she was dating someone. I won't say who it was. And Paulo sent a couple Russian guys to beat him up, >> broke a bunch of ribs, and she broke up with the guy cuz she's like, "He's going to kill you."
28:12>> That's what she alleged.
28:15And so then she ends up dating this doctor, falls in love with this doctor, marries him, he has a clinic where he does a bunch of cosmetic stuff, and she explains some other things that that he does, and I was a little unclear on it, so I don't want to go into that and get it wrong.
28:35But long story short, they get arrested.
28:39It's build as fraud.
28:43>> We've reported on that on the show. I still don't know what to think of this whole thing. She did say I'm trying to think.
28:54I'm going to leave some of her claims around that off the record as well. I'm going to be safe with that because I I I feel like that can get into some territory of things that she doesn't want to talk about. But essentially, she was arrested. She believes, and this part she did want me to talk about, she believes that Paulo was behind it. She had seen emails of Paulo emailing she alleges emailing the prosecutor in this case pushing for these charges. And by the way, that was another thing. I don't know if this is going to be a jump cut here. Maybe it will be, maybe it won't. I'll have Amanda look at this because I don't know
29:31if this is I think this is on record, but I I want to be careful with that.
29:37She went in in 2022, 2023, something like that, and raided Paulo's office.
29:47>> Yeah. Think we're going to be getting a cut here, folks. Uh, [laughter] and if you're not, well, then enjoy.
29:55>> Oh, what was the line she said to me?
29:57She goes, "Oh, you think you're crazy?
29:58I'll show you what crazy.
29:59>> I'll show you what crazy is." And just >> Yeah. Yeah. So she does that and that's where she finds a lot of these emails that are going back and forth and correspondence. And one of the things that she alleges is that Paulo was trying to blackmail or strongarm the Brazilian ambassador because she had gone to the Brazilian embassy and complained about abuse and sought to get help because he also wasn't getting her a green card and everything >> and so he was trying to hold one over her. And so as a part of that, she also I don't know if it was from that raid or later, but she maybe it had something to
30:40do with something I won't talk about, but she alleges that she saw emails where Paulo was conferring with the prosecutor to try to bring about these charges because again, she's now married to another doctor. No one else can have her. Only Paulo can. And so they go and throw a bunch of charges at the doctor and also at her. They throw her in jail. She describes this I believe as like when she was still in jail in June 20 [sighs] 25. And this was one part like there's a little language barrier here obviously like she she Amanda speaks English well but not perfectly I'd say. And so there was one part where she had said earlier
31:29like she was out on bail but then later said no I was in jail when ICE came to get her. And when I clarified that with her, she says that ICE got her from jail while she was trying to make bail. I believe that's how she put it.
31:45>> So that's what I'm going with. It's a It's very This part gets a little foggy for me, but Ice gets her and then she's being held by ICE. And what she alleges is that in August of 2025, she reached out through an intermediary to Melania Trump for help. And Melania did not give her any help whatsoever.
32:10And so she was like, "Fuck this." And so in August, in in October, she's in front of the judge. And this part I have not seen reported anywhere. In fact, I don't think our reporting said this at all. At this point, again, she's been held by ICE. And I'm going to get back to where Paulo plays a role in that. But at this point, she asked the judge to deport her. And the reason was she feared for her life. There had been reports, obviously we hadn't gotten the Epstein files released yet, but there have been reports about long-standing reports about Paulo and his ties to Epstein and this whole network and all that. And she
32:46said, "I fear for my life. Just deport me." This is what she told me. I don't know. Maybe some of our slle out there can go get court records of this. I don't even know if that exists. That way above my pay grade, but this is what she told me. And she was then sent to Louisiana maybe like the next day and deported to Brazil.
33:06Paulo is alleged and he has been publicly alleged and there's a a lot here I think that supports that to have called in a favor to someone high up at ICE because Paulo has some fake prestige worldwide job. It's technically not fake but to you and me it's fake >> with the White House that makes a special envoy to some [ __ ] And so he uses his connection, calls up this guy. Can we pull up that Warren letter and type in find next Zampoli? And we'll get to the paragraph where I can read this out, but he leans on this ICE guy and says, "The mother of my kid is running into problems and she doesn't have a green card and whatever, and you
33:47should look at it." And that is what caused ICE to look at her case and to take her, as I understand it, into custody in the first place. So, this is from a letter that Senator Elizabeth Warren, also known as Pocahontas in some circles, >> Joey Dee, sent to who did she send this to? This was to >> this was to >> this was to the guy himself. Yeah.
34:07>> Yeah.
34:08>> To David Venerella, the who is now the acting director of ICE. He was not at the time, but he was high up at ICE when she sent this letter. He was acting director. And in the letter, she says, "I'm also concerned about other reports of your behavior. You allegedly called ICE officials in Miami for a personal or political favor to detain a Brazilian woman, referring to Amanda, before she before she was able to post bail. That woman was the ex-wife of Palo Xanoli, a longtime Trump associate and extraord and a longtime Trump associate and ally who was embroiled in a custody battle.
34:44If true, these allegations would be an inappropriate and extraordinary abuse of power. They raise profound concerns about your professional judgment and your willingness to weaponize federal immigration enforcement to insist politically connected to assist politically connected allies of the president.
35:04Amanda says that because Paulo did this, it was a leverage play. And she also spoke around I I think it was around the time that she spoke to Melania. She spoke to Paulo as well. And Paulo again, this is right in that Tony Soprano pattern I'm putting together.
35:26>> Mhm.
35:26>> What do you think Paulo said to her? He said, "All right, here's what you're going to do." He started helping her and he said, "Just blame the whole thing on the doctor and he's going to go to prison." And what happens when he goes to prison? Well, now she don't have a husband.
35:44And that was her ticket out. According this is what Amanda alleges. Appala was giving her a ticket out saying, "Yeah, we'll take care of it and you'll be fine." And she her exact line was she said, "So I said, "No, I stay in prison." Like like no hesitation. Like that's what it was. And you know what?
36:02Stick him by her man. I'll that's that's that's on some principles right there because that was at a high risk to herself if that allegation is true to do that. So then it ends up with her being deported in October and that was because she was worried that Paulo was trying to kill her. So I said I was going to bring this back on the timeline after we went through all that and I got some of that cleared up again. Some of it, like I said, is still fogging in me.
36:32I went back to the Epstein Melania Trump alleged connection here, which is what brought Amanda Angaro into the spotlight in April. So Amanda had started tweeting things publicly, making some claims about, I'm paraphrasing, knowing where the bodies are buried, went viral on Twitter. She was talking directly to Melania. that Melania comes out and gives that six-inute speech which we covered here on this show where she goes, "I am here to support the victims.
37:04They need to be heard in the Senate and Congress." And it's like, "Okay, where's this energy been for a long time?"
37:11Strange.
37:12>> Trump, Donald Trump claimed that at the time that he didn't know she was even going to do that. That was kind of interesting. Whether or not that's true or not, it's interesting no matter what.
37:23And it would suggest that Melania Trump, it strongly suggested to me at the time and it continues to suggest to me that Melania Trump was concerned about things Amanda Unaro could say. Now, that doesn't mean she's concerned that Amanda Unaro has proof or would come out with some proof that like Melania was introduced to Trump by Epstein. I'm going to get to what Amanda said about that in a minute cuz she was again when she's incentivized to say some things.
37:55>> Mhm.
37:56>> She doesn't >> She doesn't. That's interesting. That's a check mark in the That feels somewhat honest to me box cuz you never know with these situations and and I I haven't had a chance to sit down with her in person and whatever. Obviously, she's in Brazil. It's like you don't know what to believe in these [snorts] circles, no matter who it is.
38:17But she said I I said, "When did you meet Melania Trump?"
38:23And she said, "On the plane." And I and I went, "What?" I was like, >> and she goes, "No, no, no. Trump's plane." I was like, "All right, you got to say that. [laughter] You can't say the plane when you just told me you got to the United States on the Lolita Express." I almost [ __ ] I was like, "Did we get that? What the fuck?" But anyway, so it was on Trump's plane because when she was dating Paulo, they would hang out with Trump. They would go on his jet. She mentioned dinners at Cypriani. Where have we covered that, Joey Th? I think we covered some dinners at Cypriani that happen on this show
39:00[snorts] >> for sure. But you know, she very specifically said that. And so she met Melania on the plane and I said, "When you were with Melania on the plane, at this time Amanda's around 18, 19 years old." I said, 'D did you ask her how she met Donald? And she said, 'N no.' She goes, but I was at some sort of cocktail reception in that time period with with Trump and and Paulo.
39:26And Paulo, in a way of like I don't know, trying to brag to her said to Donald, he goes, "Donald, tell tell Amanda how you met Melania." And allegedly Trump said, "Oh, it was it was Paulo that introduced us." And Amanda said, "I didn't believe that for a second." But that's what was said to her. And so that's what she reported.
39:50And that has been reported in the past that it was Palo Zanoli who introduced Melania to Donald, which would mean if that's true, it was not Epstein himself, which would at least remove that as a potential scandalous event. It still makes you wonder why Melania came out and suddenly said something like that when Amanda started talking. So what what other things could be there that Amanda could know? And when I kind of broach that topic with her, she didn't like give me salacious [ __ ] or like oh I know that this happened again. She was very much like I don't know.
40:32There's another thing that she mentioned that we are going to keep off the record that again wasn't didn't involve Amanda making a clear claim as it pertains to anything related to Melania and Trump with Epstein at all.
40:48So again, interesting.
40:54She did wonder like she mentioned when Melania first came to the United States, which was shortly before Amanda did.
41:06She was very wellto-do and put together.
41:09And what Amanda meant by that is she's like models that came over here, they they weren't >> they didn't wear all the highestend stuff and >> yeah, >> you know, allegedly live in a nice place and stuff like that. You know, it's not like they looked homeless or anything.
41:24They're models to be clear. But like the insinuation was that Melania, she went like this. That's what Amanda did.
41:31>> Yeah.
41:33>> Could be innocent, could not. She thought that was interesting.
41:42I want to continue the conversation with Amanda. This was like a good start. I have a lot more questions. I would imagine you guys are going to comment some questions down below. Some open-ended questions you want. Again, as I said a few minutes ago, I I haven't had a chance to sit with her face to face and you know, >> might have to go to Brazil.
42:01>> Yeah. Do the human lie detector thing and all that. It's there's a lot of weird [ __ ] And there were there there's some stuff I kept off record in there as it pertains to other things that I I don't think are related in any way to certainly the Epstein case, but matters at hand here.
42:19But, you know, she she's had an interesting very interesting life and has definitely seen some things that maybe could be helpful to investigations, maybe could not. But I do want to say, and Amanda's obviously going to see this before I put it out, so she's hearing me say everything I'm telling you right now. Fan of the show, by the way. Joey De.
42:43>> Fan of the show.
42:44>> I think she's a fan of Joey DeF. I think that's why she watches.
42:47>> Can you blame her?
42:48>> But I I couldn't blame her. But, you know, definitely Amanda definitely has a bone to pick with Paulo and I understand that. And so you wonder where maybe some bias could come in on that. But again, when she has a chance to put him dead to rights on the stuff that is the soup dour of the moment that we would all eat up, she does not.
43:12>> And she's incentivized to. So, just keep that in mind. But interesting conversation and I'm sure [sighs] we'll cover that some more moving forward. But I mentioned at the outset my very good friend, longtime friend, one of my few friends in in my industry actually. I I don't know a ton of people in this industry yet is Danny Jones.
43:35Danny Jones has an amazing show down in Florida. I've been on it a few times with him as well and he's actually coming up here to be on my show again sometime soon. So, looking forward to that. But Danny loves touching the [ __ ] boiling coffee until his finger burns a little bit. He loves getting down in the nitty-gritty with things and and he does some podcasts sometimes that I'm like I can't believe you did that one. But he's just got he's got some he's got a serious set of balls on him.
44:06And so he had in this guy Yuval >> Aviv, >> which actually we've talked about this before, but when we designed this studio, the theme was New York City. So on Do we have camera five on?
44:17>> You can cut this in.
44:18>> All right. Yeah, you can cut that in as well. But we have on the on the wall back here, and it's funny cuz this wall actually faces the Hudson River, so it faces Manhattan, but we have on the wall the New York City skyline. And that was like thematically what we were trying to do. So over here on the wall, there's these beautiful shots at the end of the movie Munich, made in 2005 by by Spielberg, where Eric Banner and Jeffrey Rush's characters are standing on the Brooklyn side looking at the East River in 1970s New York with New York on the skyline. So we have a double shot of that moment in the film. And I say this
45:00because Uval Avivve is alleged to be Eric Banner in that movie. So a little bit of a woo. There it is. If you've never seen the movie Munich, it is a great movie, I do have to say.
45:16And it is based on true events. I think the the opening scene says this is fictionalized or something. It's not. If if if you look at the history, read the book Rising Gilers by Ronin Bergman and you'll understand that this movie which is about what is it? Operation Midnight Hammer I think it was called. Can you double check that DEF? But this this film that they made in '05 is about the events of >> Operation Wrath of God.
45:44>> Operation Wrath of God. I'm sorry.
45:46Midnight Hammer was the Iran War thing, right? That was definitely Yeah, that was like last summer.
45:50>> Yeah. Yeah. Operation Wrath of God.
45:53>> Yeah.
45:53>> But it is about the Israel's response to the 1972 terrorist attack at the Olympics where Black September members associated with the Palestinian PLO kidnapped and then killed the Israeli athletes. I want to say it was like nine athletes. Nine.
46:17I think I think it was nine athletes that they killed at the time of the hostages. And so those games were in Munich, Germany. And as a result, Golden Mayer, who was the prime minister at the time, allegedly authorized a MSAD assassin kill squad to go find all the organizers from Black September who were responsible for this and kill them regardless of where they were. allegedly at the time, this is what they report, MSAD had had a policy of not assassinating people in Europe and in allied countries. Not so sure if I believe that, but they did wave that allegedly for this mission. And so back in the 80s, a book comes out called
47:06Vengeance.
47:07And it's written, I can't remember if he did it under a pen name at the time, but it's an author, you know, a writer who wrote it with Yuval Aviv, who may have been still under a pen name.
47:18>> George Jones, >> right? Okay. Was that the pen name or was that the >> No, that's that's just it just says it's by George Jonas.
47:27>> George Jonas?
47:28>> No. Yeah, he he's a real guy, so he probably wrote it alongside him, >> right? So, he writes this book where he describes this mission and what what he did over a three-year period. The book ends up becoming the movie Munich.
47:43[sighs] There's a lot of controversy about Yuvaliv where he's been denied over the years.
47:49Msaw was like he was a janitor, didn't work for us, things like that. I don't think that's the case because the book gets the details of what really happened on these various hits that they did in places like Rome, Paris, Lebanon.
48:09It it seems to get them very accurately and he wrote this back in in the 80s.
48:14And so Yuval Aviv came when he was done that mission moved to America to New York and actually and this is shown in the movie Munich ran into problems where the Israelis were trying to get him back and they were you know they were watching his his his daughter when she would leave the apartment and stuff and he flipped out about that. And so, you know, they obviously I I don't remember what it was, but they came to some sort of understand. I do remember what it was now, but they came to it's covered in Danny's podcast. They came to some sort of understanding and then allegedly they stopped bothering him. And then he took
48:52a bunch of he started a a private detective company in America and started taking some serious contracts globally, but particularly for working with the United States government, which was part of the vetting process that Steven Spielberg did when he went to make the movie about whether or not Yuval Aviv was real. He was able to I I believe get access to like government documents that show Yuvoliv's affiliation with United States intelligence on like a contract basis and listed as Israeli intelligence in doing that. So cue the comments on this one. Obviously there's a lot going on there. But Danny Jones does this
49:34explosive podcast with you all and and and I I called Danny afterwards. And I said, "Danny, your second podcast with Yuvall was absolutely amazing." It was early in the morning, so it took him a minute. He's like, "What? I only do one pod. What are you talking about?" I said, "No, no, no. You did two podcasts." I said, "The first one sucked." He's like, "What are you talking about?" I said, "Danny, you covered the entire Operation Wrath of God in like the first 10 minutes and then and then had this amazing podcast and all the other stuff. you should have spent three and a half hours on that to get him, I don't know, catch him in a
50:09lie. Do something, you know, but he's like, I didn't really want to talk about it. So hopefully Danny Jones gets you all back in there and they can really give that one a right and proper podcast on the actual Wrath of God mission and all the guys they went to kill. But the rest of the podcast went through a lot of the work that you've all done in his career with what's the name of that company on his Wikipedia again in infers or something. It's the his his private investigation >> for international >> interfer international. And you know I think it's probably a mixed bag. I think there's some places where he talks a bit
50:47game and doesn't have the receipts.
50:49Maybe some other places where he really does have receipts and really did do things. I had looked at into this guy actually like years ago because I the movie Munich I I think is is a great movie. I was just always curious about that backstory and I I do I do think he was on that team.
51:10Open to being wrong about that, but I do think he was he was on that MSAD team for sure. And then you look at like some of the work he did and I already mentioned some affiliated with the United States government in the years after when that mission would have been.
51:24It would suggest this is someone who knows his way around and knows how to do some things. But Danny Jones of course broached the topic at hand of Jeffrey Epste the Epstein files and you all was willing to talk about this to some extent.
51:43I'm trying to think because I I talked with Danny off air obviously about this.
51:48So I I don't I don't want to say some of the other stuff, but what you saw on air was you've all addressing some of this and I want to start with the could I guess it clip.
52:01>> This is tier one top tier prime perfect perfect [ __ ] hosting from one Danny Jones. Let's let this play >> that evidence. You know, we got a bunch of emails and stuff and there was lots of redactions. They said they were going only going to redact the victims, but they redacted way more than just the victims. They redacted like big names of like chic and oil executives and all yes.
52:31>> It's very interesting the people that they didn't redact and the people they did redact if you really like read between the lines and look at it. But >> of course, >> of course, >> like that's not the real evidence. The real evidence is on the hard drives because there's there's survivors, there's girls that were there that testified that he had rooms as big as this room right now that were filled with servers >> and computers and monitors that were recording all that footage that he had not only in on the island but in New York there ranch everywhere on a plane plane was in every everywhere.
53:01>> Where's all that footage?
53:05>> I can't tell you >> really. Yeah.
53:09>> Look at look at >> Can I guess?
53:11>> No. Please don't.
53:13>> Not now. [snorts] >> Don't guess now. So [snorts] >> that's why I said the days.
53:22>> Let me ask you this.
53:24>> The day the day the day it will come out.
53:28>> It has to be the right time, the right day.
53:30>> Let me ask you this.
53:33I'm sorry to put a legendary MSAD assassin on the hot seat, [laughter] but if I was to guess, do you think I would guess right?
53:44>> Probably. That's why we shouldn't talk about it right now.
53:47>> Right.
53:48>> That's [snorts] a That's a wild clip, bro. That's a wild clip. Now, devil's advocate. We could be sitting here at home going, "That guy, he's just trying to act like he knows something he doesn't." But like the way and again I know some context here also off air which I'm not saying but like the way that he chained up on that and was like simultaneously friendly about it but then also Kurt like let's move on on this you know but then >> oo god I don't even know I don't know how to talk about that one. That just was wild to me. I want to hear what you guys think of that down below because obviously and and this is a very fair
54:39question. Whenever you see any of these spooky people on podcast, I've talked about it on my own podcast before with guys like Bamante have been on here, even Kuryaku and stuff like that. You always have to ask the question, why the [ __ ] are they on a podcast? Now, Kuryaku I've always viewed as different because he's a full-blown dissident and they threw him in prison. And some people still speculate, hey, once CIA, always CIA. I genuinely don't think he is at all. John John's great. It would break my heart if he was because like John is [ __ ] electric and is very brave for some of the [ __ ] he says. Whereas like
55:11Andy, another friend of mine, I've always thought Andy Bamonte is still with CIA. In fact, I've said this before. I think Andy, if he took a polygraph and you asked him and and let's say he doesn't know how to cheat on a polygraph, okay? If he took a polygraph without knowing how to cheat and you asked him, "Do you still work for CIA?" I think he would be able to say no and pass. And you say, "Well, why is that?"
55:35Because I think it's a it's a it's a semantics question. There was one big tell. I don't know if I've ever said this, but there was one big tell that Andy had to me the first few times I ever had him in to record. And this is years ago in in my parents house. You know, my podcasts are extremely free flowing. That's what we do. And when guests come on now, they they know that. And even back then, like a lot of them knew that was my style cuz I'd discuss it on the phone. And some people, you know, they want more of a plan and I'd just be like, "Don't worry about it." And they'd be a little nervous about it. Other people, they'd
56:13just go with it. To this day, some people still want the plan. We were getting a text earlier from someone who's like, "What are we going to talk about?" I'm like, "I don't know. You're great. We'll have fun." And it just always works out. But with Andy, he was cool with that. He was one of the guys like, "All right, dude. Sounds good."
56:27But there was one topic that before episode 97, I remember in my car when I was driving him back from the airport to to go record it and then before episode 107 when he got over to the house, there was one topic that he was obsessed with talking about that he wanted me to ask him about. And I was like, actually, I'm very interested in that. So, I did. And that was the movement of the intelligence apparatus from government to the private sector. And what he meant by that is there especially under Trump term one but even well before that there was a big move to where guys would come cut their teeth in CIA be you know do
57:07all this important work be sitting at their desk at Langley on a Friday accept a job with [ __ ] I'll just insert the name of a company here locked on a on on Friday afternoon walk out of CIA hand in their lanyard walk back in Monday morning and instead of making $89,000 at CIA, they're now making $689,000 at Lockheed. They're handed the same lanyard and taken to the same desk or one right next to it, fully read in, able to do everything they do, but now they are not listed as an employee of the CIA and therefore of the United States government. They are now listed as a private contractor hired by
57:47CIA, which by the way, when you look at every public figure from president on down in the government, all their salaries, as far as I know, >> I don't know if it's all the way down, but like it it's it's in the public domain. Like you can know what people make. Is that >> am I saying that correctly?
58:03>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm I'm pretty positive on that, too.
58:06>> All right. So people would be complaining if they found out like the director of CIA was being paid $9 million, right?
58:14>> They'd be like, "Our taxpayer money's paying a guy what they're paying the starting [ __ ] small forward on the Sixers." Like, but maybe not maybe not LeBron, but actually LeBron's making less than that now with the Sixers.
58:25>> You see, he's going to take a helicopter to work every day.
58:27>> He is taking a helicopter to work every day.
58:29>> Have we not learned people?
58:31>> Don't do that, Joey D.
58:32>> Well, just have we not learned.
58:33>> I just need one title. I need one title for my Sixers before he goes. stop doing that. But yes, I I I don't love LeBron taking a helicopter every day.
58:42>> Sorry to get us off, >> but I I forgot he's my small forward now. I'm very excited about that. But anyway, you know, people would not be happy about that. But when it's reported on the sheet that like x number of hundreds of millions of dollars went to and it lists off a laundry list of stuff, private contracting, contracts for defense, contracts for whatever.
59:04You don't see that. why amount of that was used for this $9 million salary for that guy that work. You see what I mean?
59:11It's like you get to hide it in the noise. And so Andy wanted to talk about this a lot. And part of the reason was cuz you know he he as a good employee of the United States government or a a good spokesman for them is very worried about intelligence leaks and things like that.
59:28He doesn't like Edward Snowden and [ __ ] like that which obviously he and I have disagree with plenty on the in the past.
59:34He said a lot of that stuff comes out from the fact that there is such a boomerang relationship with the private sector where guys now come in and then they get information and they they walk out of the office with it. So that being said, when that was a little tangent right there, but when you see all these guys, whether it be a CIA guy, a MSAD guy, or whatever, I'm thinking the same thing you guys do out there.
60:01And you're right to think it. It's like, all right, what what are they doing here? Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below.
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