0:05Max Blumenthal, thank you for doing this. So, I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone that if you're a journalist and you've been taking a position and reporting on stories that are in direct contradiction to the official story in Washington that at some point, you know, someone's going to get heavy with you. And so, um, I want you to just describe, if you don't mind, a couple of things that have happened to you recently, so everyone knows what the stakes are.
0:33So, you got detained at a US airport recently. Can you explain what happened? Yeah, and this wasn't the first time the Trump administration had gotten heavy with me over my reporting. Um, I was actually arrested and jailed on first false charges that were dropped quickly uh during the first Trump term. That's a long story, but we've reported on it at the Grey Zone. And uh I was You spent a couple days in jail. Spent a couple days in DC jail over completely false bogus charges. Uh my house was essentially raided by like the police surrounded my house, took me out into a wagon and took me to jail for completely false charges that I had assaulted a woman who was an ally of
1:16Juan Guyaido at the time. That's like to make the long story short. And you know, I wish I had had uh legal representation that encouraged me to sue at that time because it was just completely fake.
1:29Uh right after Trump came in in January, I was stopped coming back from a vacation abroad with my family and shown a list of names and asked, you know, basically, do you know these people, which is far beyond the scope of authority of Customs and Border Protection? And I said, did they pull you out of customs line? Yeah. Yeah. They were waiting for me, Mr. Blumenthal and they said, "Uh, we've been watching you on Judge Npalitto. I've been I watched your last appearance on Judge Npalto." Referring to Judge Andrew Npalitano, but kind of like, you know, a tap on the shoulder, like big brothers watching. And I remember those names. I actually didn't recognize them um until
2:07afterwards. One of them was Susan Benjamin, who h which happens to be the birth name of Code Pink co-founder Media Benjamin. And then the other names were like Arab names or Muslim names.
2:17And I think one of them might have been Mahmud Khalil who is now was like arrested and was one of the Colombia students who was arrested and they tried to deport him and put him in an ICE facility for a long time. Um I didn't know but but it signaled to me that once it started it started to all make sense once I saw what they were doing. Israel's in charge now and they want some they want a crackdown. They want to criminalize activism and even journalism that contravenes their objectives. So, you know, the war breaks out in Iran on February 28th. It doesn't break out. Trump executes Israel's wishes and Netanyahu's greatest fantasy attacking Iran. Um,
3:02we can talk about why that happened later, but I was observing it closely, reporting on it. I you know as as you were as well. So I wanted to go there and I had gone the year before without any incident coming back. I participated in a public media festival. I in Iran in Iran. I did a documentary on Iranian Jews and what life is like for them in the Islamic Republic. Um I did reporting. I interviewed negotiators like top negotiators um as the negotiations were about to collapse. This is a like a a month before Israel launched its first war on Iran which ended with Operation Midnight Hammer. So anyway, the the the the major war, Operation uh Epstein Fury or Epic
3:46Fury breaks out and I'm observing it very closely. So I wanted an opportunity to go. I got that opportunity because Iran's foreign ministry was giving out press passes to mainstream reporters, uh, you know, from NBC, from CNN, as well as, uh, quote unquote influencers who wanted to go and cover the funeral of the man that Trump assassinated on February 28th, Ayatollah Ali Khani. And it was going to be the largest funeral in history. And indeed, it was. Um, I witnessed it as a reporter. I covered a lot of things there which I can talk about in detail, but you know what what one of the things I was reporting on was evidence of US and
4:29Israeli war crimes. For example, I visited a neighborhood in eastern Thran that had been just completely destroyed Gaza style and it, you know, was destroyed without much reporting. Um, I actually hadn't been aware of this neighborhood where it was just block after block of destruction and speaking to people on that street with tears in their eyes, telling me how entire families were liquidated in their sleep. Going to the home where a family what was left of the home, a family of 12 was killed and finding the clothes of small children on the ground, the clothes that resembled the clothes that I dress my children in every day, the same age. Uh,
5:07it was very upsetting and I've had an obligation to report on this. There was actually graffiti on the wall by a building, a giant apartment building, civilian apartment building that had been completely destroyed in the middle of the night. It said evidence of US crimes. And that's what I was producing uh providing as a reporter on the ground uh visited a synagogue, 50-year-old synagogue that Israel had bombed. Nothing was bombed around it really that I could see.
5:35uh these kinds of things were Was it a an active synagogue? It was an active 50-year-old synagogue called the Rafinia Synagogue in central Thrron. I was one of the first American reporters to visit it or my colleague Wyatt Reed had also visited it and you know several other sites. Gandhi Hospital.
5:53Anyone ever explain uh in the coalition, US or Israel, why we would bomb a synagogue in Iran?
5:59Well, Israel always offers the excuse there was some IRGC site nearby and it was a mistake, but it wouldn't have been the first synagogue that Israel's bombed in the region in order to compel Jews to move out of their historic home in order to seek sanctuary within the so-called Jewish state. Uh, and it raised serious questions about what would have motivated them to do it. And I raised those questions in an explainer that I filmed there. It's the kind of thing that would piss Israel off, especially when it's a Jewish reporter, an American Jewish reporter. Um, so as I was, yeah, bombing synagogues was not kind of on the program, I thought. No, this the the synagogue
6:39didn't seem to present a national security threat to Israel. What does threaten Israel is to have a community of 10,000 Jews in a Muslim country like the Islamic Republic of Iran who are recognized as a national minority under the constitution and who are not experiencing anti-semitism there.
6:55It kind of stands at odds with what Zionists want us to believe about Muslims and the Muslim world.
7:01Kind of. Yeah. So they might they might want to frighten them to leave as they did with the Jewish community in Iraq when the Zionist underground with Israeli help bombed Jewish community centers in Baghdad as the Israeli historian Avi documented in 1952 1953. Um so so anyway I'm I'm doing this reporting I'm reporting on the I reported from the funeral. Uh Trump has previously said, you know, that these large crowds you see at funerals of um Islamic Republic leadership who he or Israel assassinates are AI. So they don't want actual American reporters on the ground there, especially me when my perspective is very well known. So while I was there, I was targeted
7:46online by a collection of entities and figures who are in completely connected to Israel and no one else. like it was it was an Israeli propaganda operation targeting me. Um Laura Loomer was obviously leading the way on this was not an organic uprising of American citizens online.
8:10Yeah. I mean it was funny when I went in 2025 it I was you know tweeting from Iran. I was producing journalism the same way and nothing like this happened. Um but this time it was different and it wasn't organic in the sense that a foreign state was guiding this and they wanted to um character assassinate me online. Um so besides Laura Loomer who we talk about in a second there was Canary Mission. They were targeting me. They created a dossier about me. They said um something like I dedicated my life to the Ayatollah. some really insane statement and that I was there officially endorsed him. What they were Yeah. Essentially that I endorsed him for like leadership of the
8:54world that I was there to basically pray at his at his grave. And by the way, if I had done that, if I had converted to Shia Islam and and prayed and made homage paid homage to the late Ayatollah, that would not have been against the law in the United States as far as I know. I think I would have been within my rights, but I was just there to report and that's all I did there.
9:15In any case, Canary Mission attacks me. This is a group based in Israel, based in a foundation.
9:22It's like a front group called Megumat Shalom. And its writers come out of many of them come out of the Wexner Foundation named for the best friend of Jeffrey Epstein. And they are American Israeli dual citizens. Bought all, you know, bought his house on Fifth Avenue. That same guy. That same guy. Yeah. And who I think uh helped Howard Lutnik buy the house next door.
9:43Um, so I'm being targeted by vice grad people. May I ask you, is there evidence that he helped Howard Lutnik buy the house next door? I'm I'm pretty sure that that that they um helped him buy the townhouse next door. If not, uh, you know, we can edit it out or I'll retract it, but I'm pretty sure that's the case. Amazing. Uh, they definitely shared a wall. Yeah. Um, but that's this is totally peripheral to the story I'm telling. The story I'm telling, the point I'm making is I was targeted by a foreign government for contravening their propaganda objectives as a reporter. Canary mission has been used by the State Department under Trump to determine which
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11:388006855696 or visit americanf financing.net/tucker. Wait, an Israeli propaganda outfit funded by Epstein's financeier has worked with the State Department to decide who to deport.
11:54It's been reported that Marco Rubio's State Department was relying in part on Canary Mission to target students. And Canary Mission was founded in 2015 to ruin the lives of US college students who were participating in Palestine activism on campus by doxing them and preventing them from gaining future employment. And this is an Israeli group uh that's meddling in our society and trying to ruin the lives of Americans who are uh exercising their first amendment rights.
12:27So now they're targeting me. Another group was ViceGrad 24, which seems to be, you know, shilling for the UAE as well as Israel. And then Laura Loomer comes in and demands that Mark Wayne Mullen arrest me, uh have me hauled off the flight, that my passport be revoked.
12:45uh basically that I'd be denaturalized as a natural-born US citizen for for what? For what?
12:51Uh for simply reporting from Iran and you know then they maybe they can find some facts later with which they can use to criminalize me. So she said this in public. She tweeted this. She said, you know, if Mark Wayne Mullen is worth anything, he will do this. Um she called for my home to be raided at 5:00 a.m. She called She specifically called for Rubio to yank my passport.
13:14She boasted that she had called the FBI, the State Department, and uh DHS on me. How does she have this? Okay. She's boasted of calling law enforcement on over a thousand people in the US. Um so this is well this this this is like typical behavior. And so I come back and I'm like, uh, kind of knowing what to expect. What did you say? They're going to get heavy with me because Laura Loomer has become their go-to propagandist and they use her. They kind of outsource her, but also she's able to uh frighten people in the administration like Mark Wayne Mullen, who she was attacking a week later, calling him Mark Wayne Muslim. And I I I think she was
14:03calling him all sorts of names because he wasn't doing enough deportations. So, it's like his ass is on the line from someone who just a couple of years ago was chaining themselves to Twitter headquarters. Uh someone who was because she her Twitter account had been pulled. Uh someone who earlier this year justified the a mass shooting at a US mosque. someone who I mean we know you know she called some black Democrats black ghetto [ __ ] and she's seen as so outlandish but people in the Trump administration are frightened of her and other people are using her. So why would they be frightened of her? Because there are powerful forces behind her including
14:48some extremely powerful Zionist crime bosses. I mean you're absolutely right. They're afraid of her. I have seen it. I mean, you who who's behind her? Who who who who is behind her trip to Ukraine? I mean, how do how do you get an audience with Zalinski like that? And then you're meeting with Andre Bletki, the leading neo-Nazi in Ukraine, and whitewashing him. And then you're going to a um energy plant for a company called DTEK, which just seems completely random, whose board member is Jeffrey Pott, the guy who was handing out cookies in the Maidon in 2014 with Victoria Nuland, who owns DTEK. It's Reinad Akmatov, who is one of the richest men in Ukraine,
15:36who's like a de facto crime boss in Kiev, is involved in all kinds of corrupt activity. Uh, you know, who's who's got her uh pushing for the removal of sanctions on Venezuela's government even when Maduro was in power? Uh, probably some pretty powerful businessmen who might own Venezuela's sovereign debt, who want to collect on their debt. who's pushing her to target anyone who gets in the way of Israel's genocidal agenda in the Middle East. I mean, we could choose between any number of major Israeli or pro-Israel warlords from Miriam Madison to Bill Aman. Uh I I I don't know who they are, but I think we could all agree this is not the way like a country does diplomacy,
16:22right? Well, this is what happened to MAGA. They've driven out everyone who believed in anything Trump campaigned on in 2016 2024. Like national sovereignty, for example, America first rather than Israel first. Uh not not continuing the Ukraine proxy war. Zilinski is now asking for $28 billion from the US. All of these things were what I think motivated you to campaign for Trump.
16:52And now you're being targeted as one of their main enemies. Uh Laura Loomer is attacking you right now along with other figures who have a very murky relationship with the Trump administration like this Jennica Pounds character data Republican who was just exposed or exposed herself as a special Pentagon employee, but we thought she was just a pro MAGA influencer. So what is MAGA? What do you mean a Pentagon employee? like a special employee of the Pentagon who's been hired by the Pentagon and has a civ email. Uh this was reported in the Washington Post. Yes. So So this is someone who's like attacking people politically online all the time. Yeah. Who's getting paid in US tax dollars
17:37to do that? I don't know how much she's being paid, but she exposed herself as such. Um let me make this point about just this is where MAGA is. Like Laura Loomer is the face of MAGA right now. Yeah. Um and when that's the face of your movement, it doesn't stand for anything anymore.
17:56Except raw the raw Machavellian exercise of power. Yes. And and looting. And looting, corruption, and genocidal bloodlust, which is something she represents. Uh she's she, you know, after the after this mass shooting that killed three people at a mosque in San Diego this May, she called for ICE to raid the homes of the victims. What? Yeah. And in addition to saying the whole thing was a false flag to illicit sympathy for Muslims and that all Muslims in America should be deported. So this is the person who you know people are answering to in the administration and everyone's seeking to use her as well. Then then what's the difference between
18:42saying that and like all Jews should be deported? Like what's once you decide that an entire ethnic group or religion is evil because of how they were born? How is that different from any other variety of that? It doesn't seem any different to me at all. And it all seems disgusting. It it it it I think it disgusts most people. Um and but this is what they've been reduced to. And who is so who is using her? You know, how is Israel able to mo move this administration to the point where they're even that focused on me that they're willing to not just detain me, but confiscate my phones on my way back with no suspicion of any criminal activity? I've stepped on your story like
19:2910 times. What happened when you got back? It's my fault cuz I told I told it the long way. Well, there's so much going on. I mean, it's But I wanted to kind of prompt everyone watching this like help them understand why this happened. Yes, it happened explicitly because Israel didn't want me reporting from inside Iran and they thought that I could be uh that they could exploit my vulnerability coming back from Iran to have something terrible happen to me at in this area in our country where you are told when you enter you have no constitutional rights which is a huge problem when you you're an American citizen. I'm an American citizen. You're an American citizen.
20:08You have no rights. You have no other passport. Correct. Correct. So, how do you forfeit your American constitutional rights? Once you uh so once you are called in for secondary inspection or questioning by Customs and Border Protection when you arrive from another country, you know, you get like the red X and then they put your passport in a plastic box and they send you back there.
20:34CBP tells you you do not have you essentially do not have the same constitutional rights.
20:39And so after questioning, but you're on US soil. This is what airport was this? This was Dulles, appropriately named international airport. And so I come back and uh you know that all happens to me. I got the four S's on my uh ticket coming back. Um I I am questioned and they're asking me questions that seem to follow the same line. um that Loomer or whoever was handling her or uh backing her was pursuing and you know I was very cooperative with them and polite. I figured you know I I I don't really have like I I I can be transparent here and be polite with them rather than if I refused and you do have the right to refuse those questions but then you're just going
21:24to be there for hours and hours and hours and they're going to use that essentially to punish you. At the end of the questioning, they and they searched my bags and everything, which you know, they wouldn't have a right to do to you outside of there without a warrant and individualized suspicion, right? They then demanded that I open my phones. And, you know, anyone watching this, if you're concerned about having your phones opened or seized, pay close attention to what I'm saying. They said, uh, we're just going to check for evidence of criminal activity and CSM.
21:58And uh so just give us your passcodes, which and I said I that's what I said. And they said uh it's child sexual material and and you're looking at you like and so your natural reaction would be like I I don't have it. I don't have that on my phone. Were you calling me a you're calling me a pedto? Like what the hell's wrong with you? No. Here just take my phone. There's just those are my kids. You know, but I'm not stupid. So I was like no that is a violation of my constitutional rights. And they said well then just give us your phones. Imagine crawling into bed and you feel like you're floating and then wake up rested with no soreness from a stiff mattress. Well, you could
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23:56if you think I'm this criminal and I'm some IRGC agent, why wouldn't you take my digital camera or my laptop? You know, you had Hunter Biden on a few weeks ago. Like, what if I have the laptop from hell? No, it was just like they were trying to harass and punish and intimidate me and to satisfy Laura Loomer and whatever Zionist crime bosses are behind her. Um, a few days later, I go to Janine Ununice, who is a lawyer, who is a true So, what happened at the end of the story? Did you get your phones back? Well, I'm I'm going to tell you how I come back. So, I go to Janine Ununice. She's a true free speech warrior. like not like the fake free speech warriors who only um defend the
24:42free speech of conservatives or you know whatever interest they represent. Yeah. Whatever. And then and then when you know when someone says uh Israel did a naughty thing then they want them to be uh imprisoned. But she's not Alan Dersuit. She's not Alan Dersuit or Ben Shapiro. Um her feelings only care about facts. She's argued at the Supreme Court against the Biden administration's policy of banning social media accounts that had criticized Biden in a lawsuit filed by Republican governors.
25:13Uh she was one of the major critics of the whole COVID lockdown mandate policy from a constitutional perspective. Now she is the president of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and she's doing these very important legal actions defending the rights of Americans who are basically being targeted for criticizing Israel. Um and so we she filed a lawsuit demanding my phones and all the data they had taken back a few I I would say within 24 hours I got a call from CBP telling me my phones were ready for pickup. So they were holding them for days and days and days. Your phones? Yeah. And they said, "We're going to hook them up to machines." And
25:55what I understand that they do is they they do hook them up to machines and run a program called Celebrite through the phones to brute force open them. That's that's an Israeli technology. So they're using Israeli technology to get into your phone. Once they get in, they can scrape metadata, access deleted text messages, deleted your whole life, your whole life. and um without a warrant.
26:20Warrantless seizure is a violation of the Fourth Amendment. So, we filed this lawsuit. We actually went to court um at the Fourth District in Northern Virginia. Not the fourth, yeah, the Fourth District in Northern Virginia. A veteran judge declared her opinion, stated her opinion that my Fourth Amendment rights had been violated and that the government was going to have to produce some level of discovery to explain what they did with my phones. Yeah. And we've expanded the lawsuit. It's now a fourth amendment and first amendment based lawsuit uh seeking injunctive relief basically that they stop harassing me. And this is for everybody. This is
26:59for every journalist. This is for every American who believes they're entitled to their Fourth Amendment constitutional rights at the border. If you have if if the government suspects that you've committed a crime, they can get a warrant very easily and search into your phone. But without it, they can't. And that's what the fourth uh district has found in cases like Belmonte Cardardo versus the US government, which uh the government lawyer wasn't even familiar with. So, we're enforcing president and we're trying to establish and and reinforce the president to protect the constitutional rights of Americans, which I was denied because a foreign government did not
27:41like me reporting from a country which they have attacked, where they have committed war crimes and where they seek to commit further crimes and to basically carry out regime change. That's what this all comes down to. So the the whole um situation has escalated because escalated from that yeah since uh we filed this lawsuit the I I don't even know what to call them. These Israel first forces in the US are retaliating against me. Uh, weirdly on Shabbat, uh, two weeks ago, three of the biggest Israel first Neanderthalss in Congress, Randy Fine, Randy Weber, and someone I'd never heard of before, Keith Self, released a letter under on congressional letterhead through
28:31Laura Loomer's Twitter account calling for me to be investigated. And they didn't produce any evidence that I had done anything criminal. They just pointed to my journalism from Iran uh and my journalism in general which had upset Israel including my investigations into what really happened on October 7th. Me being one of the first reporters in English language or US media to produce massive amounts of evidence or point to the evidence that Israel had killed many of its own citizens on October 7th by initiating something called the Hannibal directive, which enables the Israeli army to kill its citizens if they believe they are going to be taken captive
29:16and become political collateral because the price of letting them go over the Gaza border alive is more than the price of killing them. And I was heavily attacked for that in Israeli media. Even Haret, the supposedly left Israeli publication called me. Yeah. Is that a real a real concept?
29:35Yeah, it's a real concept that's been confirmed. Um it's been confirmed even by the former Israeli defense minister. Um a colonel serving on that day said they enacted a mass Hannibal.
29:46Um, it's been confirmed that in Kibbut's Berry, an Israeli tank crew was ordered to fire into a home in which 12 Israelis were being held captive. Come on. They killed the hostages on purpose. They knowingly killed the hostages. And we reported on that at the Grey Zone. We were one of the first sites. That's so evil. It's hard to get. One of the the lone survivor witnessed to that um provided testimony in Hebrew in Israeli media and we then conveyed that testimony to an American audience at the Grey Zone. So they they they dedicated like a paragraph to my reporting on October 7th. Anyone watching this right now, you can find a documentary called Atrocity
30:29Incorporated or Atrocity Inc. uh in which I detail all the reporting that I did on October 7th on how Israel in many cases fabricated atrocities like 40 beheaded babies or um Hamas carrying out systematic mass rape in order to manufacture consent for genocide. But there was also the fact that they may have killed hundreds of their own citizens on that day. My reporting was eventually corroborated by the same publications that were attacking me. Yetiot Aronote in Israel reported that uh in in an article co-authored by Ronan Bergman who also writes for the New York Times uh se over 70 cars were targeted by Israeli helicopters heading towards the Gaza border with
31:13o all like many occupants inside. Haret said um a free fire order was given on that day and um you know possibly hundreds of strikes were carried out under the opaces of the Hannibal directive. So, I mean, this is getting a little bit off base from the conversation, but four about 400 Israeli soldiers were killed. Their bases were targeted on October 7th. Um, those were active duty combatants who were enforcing the siege of Gaza. And so, they were they were the main targets, but there were many other Israelis who were sort of caught in the crossfire um seized as captives during a moment of opportunity. uh for example the Nova electronic music festival which had been like
31:57extended for another day right next to the Gaza border and then the helicopters come in and start targeting everyone. Another person who seems to have been targeted under the Hannibal directive was named Gal Abdush and she was photographed outside of a car which had been it looked like it had been blown up with a hellfire missile. She had rigger mortise. She was wearing a small dress cuz she'd been at this rave and her her legs were kind of spread because she had rigger mortise. So, she becomes the subject of a front page New York Times investigation called uh Screams Without Words about how Hamas had committed mass rape. And they called her the girl in the black
32:33dress whose legs were spread found by her car. Her family comes out and says, "This was totally false. Our daughter was not raped. The New York Times tricked us." And it very much appears that she was one of those cars that was targeted by the Israeli military. So, you know, all of this reporting that I've been doing and over the years, I mean, ever since I've been reporting, I mean, you you you you were around a lot of the kind of neocons and pro-Israel characters in Washington, and you heard what they said about me over the years. So, they hated you with a a unique passion, I would say. Yeah. So, electrolytes, that's a term people are using everywhere suddenly,
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34:05Code Tucker 15% off or click the link in the video description or scan the QR code on the screen. Any way you do it, enjoy it. So, they're looking for any opportunity to basically silence me by locking me up. And they have full control over Trump and the Trump administration. Their best asset is Laura Loomer right now for whatever reason. And uh this was kind of their moment. So, they they get these three figures to call for me to be investigated by the State Department and FBI. And in the letter they call me, they say I've been cultivated as an asset by the IRGC, which is complete defamation. Like just there's no basis for they they they have no basis for saying
34:49that. It's just defamation that but typical of Randy Fine. And you look at who they are like who who is Randy Fine? This guy is desperate to shut down the Constitution for Israel. He's even made littering a hate crime in Florida punishable by 5 years in prison because some anti-Jewish goofballs called the Goyish Defense League or the Goyam Defense League were like threw leaflets on the ground. Um, you know, he's enforcing the IH definition in Florida of anti-semitism, which is if you criticize Israel, you're an anti-semite. The majority of the definitions in the official list of definitions pertain to the state of Israel, not to Jews. Yeah. He said he would like
35:31to see I think he said he would like to see the streets of Gaza overflow with blood. I actually uh challenged him in Congress on his call for Gaza to starve away which was an interesting um example of genocidal intent. He said Gaza should starve away. And I said, "Do you think like how do you think you would fare in Gaza um given your He'd be last man standing." Yeah, I'm sure. Uh, you know, it's it's ironic to have a figure like him call calling for people to be starved. And he's a he's like a walking advertisement for the American Nazi party. I mean, no one produces more anti-semitism than him. And he he actually said at a meeting of the Republican Jewish Committee
36:13uh that he's glad that people are um like that that that Thomas Massie is blaming the Jews, in his words, for being thrown out of Congress. He took personal credit for throwing Thomas Massie out of Congress and he's someone who's clearly acting on behalf of Israel. Then you have Randy Weber who wears an Israeli tie on the House floor. This is tragically the guy who replaced Ron Paul in Texas. Um not exactly a libertarian who believes in the Constitution. He said that the US has to attack Israel because Israel is the apple of God's eye. And Keith Self, I don't know what he does. He's like introduced a bill to stop Sharia in Dallas. So like the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders
36:58won't be wearing burkas. And Laura Loomer, I mean it's pretty clear she's being backed by some pretty powerful Zionists. So and they're calling me a foreign agent. Like that's like having child protective services called on you by Jeffrey Dawnmer and Jeffrey Epstein. It's like you can't overstate the irony of that. Um but that's what they did. They put that letter out there. And do you think that you're under investigation? How How would I know? Right. You wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. And you know, this administration seems to be capable of anything. So, I don't know where it can go. But I I I'd also wear it as this letter as a badge of honor. I mean, coming from four
37:40of the worst people on the planet singling me out and calling for me to be investigated, criminally investigated for my journalism. I mean, so much of the letters dedicated to my journalism. To me, it's confirmation that I'm doing the right thing. There's something going on that I don't understand that doesn't make sense in conventional terms. And you alluded to it a second ago when you described Randy Fine as like an agent of the American Nazi party because he inspires anti-semitism. So, if I've got a product or a place or a person I'm trying to make more popular, if I'm trying to defend, if I'm selling the Apple iPhone, I'm telling you all the things the iPhone does. It's
38:15amazing. It's a camera. It's a weather channel. It's everything, right? I don't make you hate iPhones or telephones or technology if I'm trying. But the people making Israel's case in public are people like Randy Fine. Yep. Who's just named the 45th most influential Jew in the world by the Jerusalem Post. But why would you why wouldn't you get someone who is appealing and not hateful and not laughing at pictures of dead children as he has who's like it seems like an intentional effort to inspire hate against Israel. Actually, that's what it looks like to me. Yep. What is that? Well, that that's that's Zionist logic. I mean, Zionism needs anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is the fuel for
39:08Zionism. What would happen if Jewish life were normalized in the in the West? It would be a disaster for Zionism because there would no longer be a a way to justify Israel waging war after war, building walls and deacto concentration camps around the indigenous unmention unless it were a sanctuary for Jews who were experiencing anti-semitism and had nowhere else to go. So it's needed. Then you have a whole anti-semitism industry. What would Jonathan Greenblat do without the spectre of constant anti-semitism? Which is why they have to keep redefining anti-semitism to be pretty much anyone who's upset with the mass extermination of children and does anything about
39:55it is an anti-semite. Or anyone who we don't like. Anyone who we don't like it. What it it used to be what? Anyone who hates the Jews. Now it's anyone who the Jews hate. That's But I I wouldn't even say the Jews. I mean, this is like a a contingent of Jewish life which is increasingly extreme uh and lives in its own echo chamber. Jonathan Greenblat, like what would the ADL is like a multi-million dollar organization with a command center in Silicon Valley. It has its eyes and ears within law enforcement agencies. He basically brags about it being an auxiliary force of the FBI uh and that they're conducting spying operations inside activist organizations. Uh if Jewish life
40:43were normalized and we were just like, "Hey, we love America. We are experiencing a golden age here." Uh we're like the Episcopalians, he his his uh gravy train would immediately end and he'd have to go back to being a bottled water salesman, which is what he did before he was at the ADL. Well, I actually grew up in a country that was kind of like that. I mean Me too. Me too.
41:05Yeah. I mean, I was We were talking about dinner last night. Like I I don't I don't remember and I would have remembered since I was around a lot of this stuff as a kid. I don't remember there being like stark angry divisions and uh I don't know golden age. I don't even but was it was great as far as I recall. Maybe I maybe I missed it, but I never heard anybody express hate toward anyone else ever. Not one time. So, I'm not imagining it now that I'm saying it out loud. And Israel can't be at peace either because of Zionist logic. Huh. With if imagine if Israel were at peace. Yeah. Um, first of all, it would be like Israel was in 1966 when the society was uncertain of its own survival
41:51and all of these different groups were at each other at each other's throats. The Ashkanazim and the Misraim and the religious, the secular within the country. Then they had 1967 and it was like suddenly the country became dynamic. And what else happened in 1967? American Jews became very deeply interested. The baby boom generation and they started going to the kibbutim and they brought their guitars. A lot of immigration that year from the United States to Israel. Yeah. And you know, so Zionism became this dynamic global force with 1967, which was a war is of choice that Israel launched that was totally unnecessary. Um, and they portray themselves as this underdog. Now
42:30they they have to be in constant war because like think about all of the the Jewish or the Zionist billionaire class in the US. A lot of them aren't even very particularly religious. I don't think Bill Aman is that religious. Um I saw someone say like he he wrapped toilin for the first time after October 7th with with Bill Aman. This guy who runs around wrapping to feeling on people. Uh without if Israel's at peace, it doesn't need you anymore and you have nothing to do and then your identity, you know, your identity comes into question like I don't have anything to do. I don't have anything to donate to that makes me feel Jewish. um that country doesn't need me anymore. What do I
43:13do? What am I like? Am I going to actually go and like observe real like Talmudic rituals? Like, am I going to actually um do Shabbat and put my cell phone away, my smartphone that I write 7,000word posts on all the time? Like, am I not going to drive to dinner in the Hamptons on Saturday? So, I mean, it's this Zionism has become a central pillar of identity for so many American Jews who wouldn't know how to otherwise be or feel Jewish. And for them, it's they need this transcendental identity um as they start to experience mortality. Sheldon add, I mean, he got into Israel late in life and he said, "I want an Israeli wife." And Miriam Adds and now she's directing his whole
43:57empire. So it has to be in a state of war and Netanyahu is a master of it. He understands the thinking of American Jews and what they need. Uh he understands how Zionism can be carried forward and he cares more about that than he does about the actual uh the reality of Jews in the world or even Jews in Israel who are in a state of complete social crisis right now. Yes, lots of people are using peptides to get in shape. Not all peptides are the same. If you take them, do you really know what you're ingesting? Probably not. Join Blok makes it very simple. You start with an easy online health assessment. Then, if necessary, your licensed clinician will order comprehensive lab
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45:36in 2013 called Goliath and that was a portrait of Jewish Israeli society from the inside. Um I spent off and on like I was going for a few months and I come back for a few months and write off and on for five years I was working on that book and um it's mostly about Jewish Israeli society. is a portrait of a society that was poised to commit genocide. Um, and why why you saw that then?
46:04I saw it then and you know I took a look at the psyche of particularly Jewish Israeli youth and you I mean you can just look at the polls that the Israeli democracy index conducts and you know the vast majority of them have genocidal attitudes at least anti-Palestinian attitudes and they're more um hostile to Palestinians than their grandparents were for example. Um, so the right now Jewish Israeli society, they don't necessarily care about the fact that most people in Gaza are living in tents and their faces are being devoured by rats at night. Uh, there's no empathy there. But internally they're in crisis because the part of the population
46:48that's producing the most children um and giving them like a positive child replacement rate birth rate are the ultraorththodox and the secular members of Israeli society or the religious nationalist members who believe in Zionism. They have to subsidize all ultraorththodox men to simply be there and read Torah all day. And so there are constant bills being pushed to force those ultraorththodox men into service in the Israeli military. And what are they saying?
47:16The Torah forbids killing. We will not do it. And they've been having huge protests around Israel.
47:21Like you could call them anti-ionist protests. They get very little attention in US media. They block traffic and the secular part of the society or the Zionist part of the society hates them.
47:34And what I don't think hate is an overstatement based on what I've seen. Yeah. In many ways they hate them more than they hate Hamas. I totally agree. I've I've seen it in Israel. Sad actually to see it. The division is so bitter. Yeah. And this is going to this this bitterness is going to grow along with the bitterness of the world towards Israel. Then you have all these reserveists like who served in Gaza who committed horrific crimes. There's a a film out right now that just that's coming out a documentary that is getting rave reviews called uh Naza and it's made by Yuval Abraham who's an Israeli journalist and a filmmaker I think her name is Rachel Shaw. These
48:20are Israelis, Israeli lefties and it consists of 24 interviews with Israeli soldiers. Most of them were like in military intelligence involved in targeting on rooftops and you can't see their faces. Their voices are altered and they're describing the most sickening crimes you can think of. One of them talks about how they were hacking into phones. I guess this is unit 8200, their cyber division, hacking into the phones of young girls in Gaza to to determine when their fathers would come home and then they would order an air strike on their home and listen to the girl burn alive through her phone. Um, the soldiers are comparing themselves to Nazis on in this film and
49:01now Israeli ministers are calling for stripping the filmmakers of their citizenship and punishing them. Netanyahu just a few hours ago released a statement calling the film a blood liel. Um, then you have other reservists who you can see them in Knesset. They're like, "We are not getting the support we need. We're all on drugs and we're all suicidal." um they, you know, are are playing out their trauma in a different way um against their wives, against themselves, and they see these ultraorththodox men who aren't serving. And they want they just like they they want them to be forced into service or they're going to go crazy. And the ultraorththodox parties
49:40are keeping Netanyahu's coalition together, United Torah Judaism. And I think there's a good chance Netanyahu could win. So this crisis is going to increase. There's civil strife now. Could it be a civil war later? Uh very possibly. Especially if Netanyahu doesn't have a big war to distract everyone like the war on Iran. Um and what and and should we should we condemn the ultraorththodox?
50:06Should we who are the good guys and who are the bad guys here? You got a secular Israeli in Tel Aviv who um loves to go hang out in Berlin and have vacations in Bali or wherever they go and they're totally secular but they participate in the Israeli military. They help find targets in Gaza. One of them just told this group Breaking the Silence that they were asked they asked their commanding officer for a target and they were told there are two million targets. Just find anything you want. So they go and do that and they believe in political segregation that the Palestinians have to be segregated for them from them behind walls so they can have their European
50:47uh lifestyle and their raves inside their little what um former Israeli Prime Minister Ahoud Barack called their villa in the jungle. And then you have the ultraorththodox. What do they want? They want religious segregation in a very traditional Jewish way. They want to live a kind of medieval Jewish lifestyle who but they have no interest in Palestinians. They don't care. They just as long as they're left alone, the Palestinians are immaterial to them. They don't want to kill them, but they don't see them as particularly like they're indifferent. So who who who's the bad guy and who's the good guy here? The ultraorththodox are saying killing is against the Torah and they
51:28are going to be forced into the world's biggest most ruthless killing machine if if these bills go forward. That's Zionism. This and so we're we're we're moving towards the terminal stage of Zionism in our lives and it's creating crisis here and it's creating crisis there and we don't know where it ends. That's within Israel. And yet all of a sudden, despite I I I've lost track of how many fronts Israel is fighting on. According to Netanyahu, it's eight, we are the eighth front in the United States. He said that at a meeting with US influencers who seem to be on Israel's payroll. I don't even know what that means. Mean like attacking you. Well,
52:16sure. Sure. I'm I am a target in his war. Um you are the top target probably. It's a prop and it's a propaganda war. Yeah. Uh it could it could it could turn into something else if uh the situation grows more dire for Israel. But right now it's a it's a it's an information war and it's a legal war and it's a political war. Right. So if some kind of economic collapse were imminent, what would the signs be? Well, the behavior of the central banks that control money supply might be a good clue. So let's take a look at the world's largest economy. That would be China. China imported nearly as much gold in the first half of 2026 as it did during all of 2025. Why? Well,
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54:52of a sudden, there are Israel related stories popping up in all these countries around the world. And you're like, wait a second. First of all, how do you have time to do that? Second, what are you doing? And third, what is the point of all that? What are we watching? Yeah. I mean, these are, am I imagining this? Trump has uh won every Trump has won every election in Latin America over the last two years. I mean, these are candidates that Trump incorporated controls.
55:18Most recently, I think it's Abelardo de la Espria in Colombia. And in one of the first speeches, he basically pledged loyalty as since after he won, Abelardo, who was the former lawyer for the cartels, pledged loyalty to Israel. Why Israel? What does Colombia have to do with Israel? Uh, AO, I think it was Ao Morales, the former president of Bolivia, he called Colombia the Israel of Latin America. Um, they were getting a lot of Israeli weapons, training. I mean, going back to um 1984, this will help explain some things about this um very weird phenomenon, but the Congress passes the Boland amendment during the height of the Contra War um that requires that required Reagan or any
56:05executive to sign off on covert action. Great piece of legislation. You know, back remember when Congress used to do intelligence reform? Um so that was the last real attempt was the bowen amendment. Yeah. Um so Ephraim Rios Mont was a USbacked dictator who was also close to like the Christian right Christian Zionists like uh Pat Robertson. He was the first evangelical president. Uh and Israel comes in and says we will supply him. will give his soldiers uzies to basically mow down the Mayans and the what's left of the Guatemalan insurgency and destroy entire villages and we will train them. Rios Mont said that that our model for the Venezuelan
56:48soldier is the Israeli commando and Reagan won't have to sign off on anything and we will show how valuable we are as a US ally. So, uh, yeah, Israel provided them with the computer they used and the surveillance systems to round up activists who opposed his rule. And from there, uh, you know, it was the beginning of a beautiful friendship with these pro- US governments that were seeking to destroy their supposedly leftist opposition. Um, but it's like across the board like Ecuador, they have a billionaire president who was born in Miami, Danielle Nooa. And I saw a report a few weeks ago that in Ecuadorian schools, they're now going to teach Holocaust education. Like,
57:36and there's nothing wrong with learning about the history of Jewish genocide or the genocide of others in World War II, but it just seems a little bit on the nose. and he's of course extremely pro-Israel as all of these leaders are. Uh, Juan Orlando Hernandez was um collaborating with Israel as he was in in his words uh shoving cocaine up the Yankees noses which led to him being jailed in a federal prison in Miami along with his brother who was marking bags of cocaine to the US with his initials Tony Hernandez. Trump pardons Juan Orlando Hernandez because they needed to uh legitimize the his national party so they could win another win another election in Honduras.
58:20Uh what happened in Venezuela as soon as Deli Rodriguez who Trump says we'll do whatever we want comes into power following the violent abduction of Nicholas Maduro and Celia Flores his first lady. Uh there's an earthquake, a very fortuitous earthquake which brings in who else? Israeli rescuers. I mean they'll rescue people all around the world except in the Gaza Strip where they have destroyed like 80% of homes and they come in. I don't know how many people they rescued but the next thing you know Deli Rodriguez is meeting in Mir Flores palace with Israeli military officials and Israel's relationship with Venezuela is then normalized. In 2009, Ugo Chavez, the nationalist
59:07leader of Venezuela, whose first priority was sovereignty, kicked out the Israeli ambassador in protest of Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip that year. And actually, the first time I ever saw Deli Rodriguez speak, uh, she was wearing a kofia to show her solidarity with Palestinians. Next thing you know, the US is in charge is and Israel's on the ground. Why would that be a priority for anybody? Like, who cares what Venezuela's posture toward Israel is? Yeah. Why would Maduro's son have to go uh do a very public meeting at a pro-Israel synagogue in Kacus? Actually, yeah, we never saw that. It seems totally irrelevant. I mean, it's it's across the world. It has no
59:50historic relationship. Well, nobody has historic relationship with Israel. It's been around since 1948. like this whole thing has no grounding in like a practical understanding of the world. Like what is I I I'm just confused. And I mean here's here's one like concrete thing Venezuela did that that Israel got out of this. Venezuela removed itself from the International Criminal Court. a country that whose diplomatic core ever since the ever since Ugo Chavez came into power in 1998 has emphasized the importance of international law and the Geneva Conventions to guarantee their sovereignty because they've been under constant attack from the US. So they they they they leave
60:34they they remove themselves as a signer of the Rome Statute and leave the ICC because what did the ICC do? They indicted Benjamin Netanyahu for war crimes in Gaza. And Netanyahu essentially boasted that this was uh being done on behalf of him by Marco Rubio when Marco Rubio sanctioned the ICC like days before Venezuela did that. What what is another thing Israel gains out of Venezuela?
61:04Uh the Iran war is a is is is failing. It has failed. And one of the biggest political problems for Trump is the price of oil and US strategic oil reserves. Strategic petroleum reserves. The SPR is at has been at a lower point than 19 it was since 1983. And so Venezuela has the largest oil reserves in the world. The US just signed a deal at gunpoint with Deli Rodriguez to exploit one of Venezuela's oil reserves. And this means that the oil will be instantly transferred or transferred as soon as possible in violation of the Venezuelan constitution with no guarantee of any return to Venezuela to the US strategic petroleum reserve. and then it will fuel the drive for World War II
62:02in a war for Israel. So there are many things Israel can extract from this relationship. I just don't understand why, you know, whatever you think of what the Trump administration did in Venezuela and you know it's kind of hard to defend, impossible to defend really, but at least you thought, well maybe it was for the United States. But it seems like the first thing they did when they arrested the leader of the country was to force the new leaders to make nice with Israel. Like why is that the number one priority of our State Department? The same reason we the the US went to war on Iran. I mean there this is an administration that's acting
62:45on Israel's behalf. Uh and you know a slave to Israel. Absolutely. I mean, and in many cases, person personnel is policy. So, look at the kind of people in the administration. Uh Susie Wilds, she controls everything the president sees and hears and you know, you have to get through her to meet with the president, which is why like when you saw the photos of the administration when they launched the war on Iran on February 28th, there was team A in Mara Lago and what was it? Susie Wilds, Marco Rubio, John Ratcliffe, and Trump. And then there was team B who was on the outside.
63:25Joe Kent, Tulsi Gabbard, JD Vance, the the the so-called restrainers. Susie Wilds wasn't letting them in the room and they she never was. What was Susie Wilds doing before she was in the Trump administration? Well, she was a major lobbyist, but she also was working for Netanyahu and no one knew that when she came in. It was subsequently reported uh by the Washington Post that when Netanyahu was in a little bit of political hot water and was campaigning for re-election, he called in these super Trump consultants, including Susie Wilds, to help him stage Trump style rallies. So, she literally worked for Netanyahu. Um, you know, it it just goes
64:06down the line like Harit Dylan, she's the head of the office of civil rights in the DOJ, which, you know, really increasingly looks like the Office of Israeli rights. Her law firm is currently she she she I think she put her brother in charge of it. She's not technically in charge of it. It's called Dylan Law. They um are representing a federally registered Israeli foreign agent called Show Faith by Works. They're listed on the FAR form. Show Faith by Works. Their job is to basically propagandize evangelicals for Israel, geo fence their churches and distribute Israeli propaganda.
64:42Um, I got leaked audio from an Apac congressional meeting. It was a private off thereord event. And someone who identified themselves as a 40-year veteran of Apac said, you know, the importance of our lobbying is we we go down to congressional districts and recruit people right when they come into Congress. One of them was John Ratcliffe. He said, "We went down to Dallas. We heard he was running. He was really good. We've loved working with him ever since then. Marco Rubio is another one. And Mike Waltz is another one. These are our lifelines inside the administration," he said.
65:17And of course, Marco Rubio's career has been sponsored heavily or advanced by Paul Singer's donations. Paul Singer being a major Israel first billionaire. So you look at the personnel in there and there's and look at what happened to anyone who tried to resist their agenda, which was essentially Netanyahu and Israel's agenda. They're not in there anymore. They're like sitting at this they they they they come by this desk and talk to you. Uh look at what happened to you. So it just simply follows that Israel will get more or less what it wants. What is the what is the big picture goal? Cuz like I think any rational person assessing the facts as we find them right now in
66:01midepptember 2026 sees the US and the UK really is the last allies that Israel has in the world.
66:11And the populations of Boal speak for my country. The population here is becoming aware of the cost, excuse me, of this relationship and and aware of the the genocide in Gaza, etc., etc. Like people are mad at Israel. It's just obvious. And young people especially. Yeah. So, like, if you're Israel, you're not stupid. You know that this is this relationship is going to change, not to your benefit. What's your plan? what's their plan? What are they doing right now? You mentioned the UK being a key Israeli ally. I just wanted to um mention something that recently happened. Andy Burnham comes in and he recognizes where public opinion is in the UK on the Israel question.
66:58So, he announces some form of uh sanctions or or the like that they're not going to buy products from the occupied territories in support of a two-state solution, which is by this point dead. It was a symbolic move. Israel went bonkers. They they shut down Heathrow Airport in 2 hours and 35 minutes, I think. Well, there you go. So, hours after his announcement, Heathrow Airport's air traffic control systems had a glitch. Yeah. Coincidence? It was it? I don't know. just kind of odd. I had family members stuck in the airport that day. So, a couple of them. So, I uh I I don't know. Was there any foreign software at work in that airport? You know,
67:38I don't think the UK is going to come out and say we point the finger at Israel and escalate the situation. I mean, they essentially Israel essentially toppled the leader of the Labor Party uh prior to Kier Starmer. They have a lot of power in the UK. Uh what are they doing in the UK?
67:55They're destroying de they're destroying whatever's left of democracy there through the courts in order to prosecute uh activists from this group Palestine Action. Yeah. Which is and this is this correction terrorists group. They're now defined as terrorists by the Trump administration because Israel told them to define these British activists as terrorists almost on the same day that Trump lifted sanctions on the leadership of al-Qaeda in Syria. uh which we'll we can talk about in a second. So what they're doing in the UK is they're having these trials of these activists who have removed or or um stopped production of Israeli weapons at four state
68:36weapons facilities owned by Israel Elbbit systems in the UK. And what they do is they'll come in, they do direct action where they'll they'll like smash up the clean room, they will vandalize some things. They try to avoid harming people. And then they go to court, they go on trial, and they have been um exonerated or let out in case after case by juries of their peers because the juries um sympathize with the argument that what these activists are doing is actually saving lives as Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and that the harm that they prevent is worse than the harm that they caused. And so this has become a real threat to the not just the British system,
69:18but the Israeli project of essentially occupying Britain and its war machine as well. So now what's happening in these trials is the jury won't be told that they're terrorism trials. They think that they're um convicting them or acquitting them on criminal charges and then the judge applies the terrorism charges after. The media is not allowed to know about that either. The media in Britain is not allowed to report on these trials. So we've been reporting on them at the gray zone because we're American. And one of the barristers who's defended Palestine action is himself has himself faced contempt of court charges because his his defense was too effective. He was defending his
69:59clients too effectively. So they want to bring that system here. Uh they want to Israel needs to democratize western societies in order to maintain control because the population is turning against them. They need to brainwash youth and bring like Prageru curriculum into state education systems.
70:19Uh they basically need to jail journalists in our country who have interfered with their propaganda objectives like me and they will activate all their assets to do so. But what they ultimately want and it sounds kind of extreme but this is what I've had to conclude. They want global control. As the uh world forms into a more multi-polar world and US empire um seems to be receding somewhat, Israel is still determined to gain control at the heart of Eurasia and that's where Iran is situated. So imagine if they had achieved regime change in Iran.
71:05There was a group associated with um I'm going to forget the acronym for it, but it's like the lobbying group for Resa Palvi, the PTOIC, Maryland based self-proclaimed crown prince. And they put forward a white paper for like the day after in Iran. And the white paper it said basically the Mossad will come in and help us purge the Islamic Republic. We'll carry out a mass purge. Israel will be assisting us in uh renewing the economy. And they're basically putting Israel at the center of everything in an Iran post Islamic Republic, post Ayatollah. So Israel gets control of this strategically located country that represents a 3,000-year-old civilization with control over
71:51the waterway through which 20% of the world's liquid natural gas passes. What do Russia and China do then? Certainly Russia would have to deal with Israel, and China probably would as well.
72:03And then Israel has the United States pretty much under its thumb through Trump or some democratic tool like Joe Biden was. And they have Russia and China being forced to deal with them directly as they exist at the heart of this country that's being plundered as Venezuela is what they're doing in Latin America. I mean that's what they would do in Iran. So that's the objective. But do they have a plan? Did they have a plan? Did Netanyahu actually have a plan? No. He marched right into the White House. Remember when he came in February, February 3rd? Yeah. Yeah. They sh I was I remember I was like I was getting trying to get across town and they were shutting down
72:41traffic. It was like a presidential style visit. There were helicopters everywhere. We knew what he was up to, but we found out the details later. He marched into or maybe you already knew them. He marched into the situation room, sat at the head of the table. Trump sat to the side, which doesn't seem very Trumpian to me. And um David Barnea, the Mossad director at the time, was brought in on a big screen. He's now the head of a US weapons company, which is just absolutely wild. Yes. Uh he's got he's not he's in the private sector now. Private sector. Um and and and they give Trump his marching orders. You are going to bomb this meeting of the Ayatollah
73:20and his adviserss in Thran on February 28th. We know it's taking place. And Trump just said, "Okay, all right, boss. I'll do it. And no one was willing to stand up to Trump. He was surrounded by um a bunch of yesmen. And that was the plan. And Netanyahu said, "Look what happened in I don't know if he said this, but I know what Trump was thinking was we just did look what we just did in Venezuela. We're going to get an Iranian deli Rodriguez. Maybe it'll be uh Resa Palvi and it'll happen in 4 days." And he was also he believed his own [ __ ] about the protests in January.
73:54Yes. Which I can talk about which were absolutely like a militarized operation uh instrumentalized by foreign intelligence services including Israel and the US. Um very violent. But he believed that the Iranian people are going to come out into the streets and just sweep away this regime. And the opposite has happened. So, Israel actually had no plan except to get Trump in the war to get the US in in a state of constant escalation with Iran for as long as possible. That was their only plan. And look at the result. It has been disastrous for the US economy. As you've been saying week after week,
74:31it's been disastrous for Trump politically. He's at historically low approval ratings.
74:35There was a poll out today I saw that showed that most people who believe that the war is affecting their pocketbook interests are going to vote Democrat. 64%. Of course. Um and the the deficit is 40 trillion. This has a lot to do with the war. The war is going to cost over a trillion dollars.
74:56And once you factor in in 10 years inflation, the cost of paying veterans and the the rising cost of weapons and so forth, the US is, you know, expending munitions to the point where it's having to reposition THAAD batteries and pack 3es from other supposedly more strategically significant locations. So, it's been a blow to US empire. The US as a maritime power is being kind of exposed as a paper tiger. like it's it's it's sailors can't um reach land until they go to Thailand.
75:26Uh as they've been having food rationed because they were being supplied by bases that were put out of service by Iranian missiles. So it's been a total disaster because Trump followed Netanyahu's marching orders. Uh and that that was the only plan there. There's no real long-term plan. No, he's an instinct player. Netanyahu is obviously um and his his instinct is aggression and expansion and it's it's worked incredibly well. I don't think it'll end well for him, but um it doesn't answer the question. Everything you said is consistent with what I know to be true. I think that's exactly what happened. But it doesn't answer the question why Trump who intensely
76:08dislikes Netanyahu as everybody does. Why would he sit in the subordinate position in the situation room? Why would he take orders from Netanyahu? He took orders from him before the 12-day war.
76:20Netanyahu said, "We're doing this." And Trump followed him. That's a fact. I'm not guessing. And Rubio confirmed that in his meeting with the gang of eight when he came out. That's right. He said, "We did this cuz Israel had was going in and we couldn't just like leave them alone." Yeah. But I mean last summer even the same thing and yeah BB called him in the sit room said we're doing it this week and the rest is sad history. But the point is Trump went along with the leader of a country of 9 million people who he dislikes personally and who was under indictment in his own country. So that's not a picture of power at least conventional power. Why would you listen
76:56to a guy like that? Why would you follow a guy like that to your own political death?
77:00What am I missing really? You think that's what it is? I mean, that's one big factor. And you you you would I mean, Miriam add someone who Trump has said has visited him more along with her late husband Sheldon in the White House than anyone. And when he was speaking at the Knesset, he said, "Well, I don't know if she really cares about America. Israel is her cause, but she's an important person." I mean, he openly said that he's like very important. Who was I mean, you were at the inauguration. who had the best seat in the House better than any member of Congress or incoming secretary who breezed right through the magnetometer without being checked at
77:36the church service that morning for with Trump. I mean, I was there. She walked right past me and everyone else standing in line blew right through without without a security check. She's not even an American. She's an Israeli warlord essentially. Yeah. And I was born here and she marched right past me and Charlie Kirk was standing right there and it was like this is not a good sign at all.
77:56I remember watching it and I was thinking, we're going to have a war with Iran. Just looking at her right behind Trump, I was like, that's what's going to happen. Uh, and we're talking about what, $300 million of donations to Trump over the years or to his packs. Um, as well, but he got elected. That's where the I of course I completely agree with you and I should say you're from Washington as I am, too. So, we've like spent our lives watching this. So, you're right. But by this point, Trump has been reelected. He wanted to get re-elected to be vindicated. They called him, you know, dead in the water. They called him a criminal. They called him all these things. And he
78:31gets reelected president. So, it's like he doesn't need the donors anymore for the Republican party, but he doesn't care about the Republican party. So, he's basically throwing away his entire legacy, his family's future. All of this is being destroyed because he's following Israel. Why is he doing that? Well, let me just make another just tack on a few things to the point I made before and then move on to another more psychological motive that a theory about his psychological motives. Um, so a week about a week after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, uh, his podcast, which was being broadcast on Salem Media, was effectively taken over
79:16by a federally registered Israeli foreign agent, um, which was being Yeah. Um, it's called Clock Tower X, which is operating this gigantic, I don't want to say multi-million, it's like 100 million, 50 million. It's the one of the biggest foreign lobbying contracts ever. Um, it's it's operating it on behalf of the Israeli Foreign Ministry. It's being run by Brad Parcal, who was Trump's chief of staff in 2020. Remember, he got Baker acted like his house was raided and they on video on video.
79:49It's a very ugly scene. He was fired. Um, I'm actually surprised they fired him given who else they don't fire, but he uh, you know, and he had created like Trump's whole Facebook strategy like the including like the seemingly like bots and probably was a talented guy. Israel hires him, plucks him out of the wilderness and he takes over Salem Media, which is one of the largest pro- MAGA, pro-republican, conservative media platforms. They had Charlie Kirk's podcast, but they have like they have Scott Jennings podcast um who's being talked about as possibly the next White House press secretary. All these people are kind of like involved with the Israeli foreign
80:31ministry now. And if you don't like that, then you can leave, but none of them are leaving. And who got a 30% stake in Salem media? Uh Laura Trump, Trump's daughter-in-law, and I believe Don Jr.
80:46So they are seemingly involved somehow in this contract and then they also have um themselves are doing business with Israeli drone companies uh which are getting contracts also to do uh anti- drone technology in Iran. There's all kinds of incentivization to maintain this re relationship, but the break breaking away from the relationship and we were just talking about what's h what happened in the UK at Heathrow the day that Andy Burnham did a symbolic what happened in Spain. Remind me. Well, oh the seah the Well, yeah, exactly. They get invaded, you know, give the middle finger to Israel, the next thing you know, Morocco is sending tens of thousands
81:30of people into your country. Yep. Yep. And like every pro-Israel influencer and Israeli official down to Idomar Beng was like, "Aha, this is what you get." You know, f around and find out. Um, so, you know, not doing not following the program laid out to you by Benjamin Netanyahu on February 3rd is also deincentivized. Yes. And this really needs to be deincentivized. That's a that's a soft way of putting it. Yeah. You're terrified. So back in was it 2020, Mike Pompeo and Benjamin Netanyahu convinced Trump to assassinate the second most powerful official in Iran. Yeah. Who's the heads of head of the Kuds force for the IRGC, Kasum Solommani. Only one person in mainstream media
82:15criticized that decision. I'm not bragging. It's the only thing I'll brag about. I was that guy and I took a huge amount of crap for it. I remember. But I thought that was the beginning of war with Iran. Seemed obvious to me. And it was also the beginning of something else where you know you bring the US and Iran into a cycle of escalation and that's what Netanyahu needed to get. He needed Trump to begin to escalate with Iran and that he wanted Iran to retaliate. The Iranian retaliation for Solmani's killing in Iraq as he was on his way to a peace conference was pathetic. And everyone I interviewed in the Iranian establishment believes that today if they had hammered US bases the way
82:55they're doing now that this war wouldn't have happened but that they allowed themselves to be set on this course to war. But what happened with Trump was he also began to be kind of a psychological prisoner of the retaliation and the Israelis started to exploit his worst fear. How is assassination different from murder? So yeah, I didn't even mention assassination but you know where I'm going. assassination is murder. And the the distinction that we make between the legitimate use of force by the state and homicide is either imminent self-defense. Someone's coming at you and you have to kill the person to protect your life or the the lives of others or a process
83:37sanctioned by the state called to trial. Yeah. So any killing outside of those two is murder. Right.
83:42I thought that was aren't those the definitions or No, I I I would think so. Uh but even if you believe assassination is legitimate, you have to think about the consequences of a figure like Solommani being taken out. And how did how do Iranians regard him? Millions of Iranians saw him as a hero who prevented ISIS from swamping their country with jihadist fanatics who would come and kill them because they were Shia. um and he was a a direct US ally in the fight against ISIS who is very effective in defeating them. Actually ISIS attacked Iran's parliament in 2017, killed a number of civilians and Trump uh essentially mocked Iran and said if you
84:25support terror you will get terror in return. So Solommani was fighting that whole project he was and again he was a national hero. Many Iranians wanted revenge on Trump for that.
84:35uh the Iranian establishment does not have a policy of assassinating because they did not want escalation. They wanted negotiation. Um but all of these plots start um getting rolled out through the FBI that always seem to involve confidential human sources and informants who are pushing these mentally vulnerable characters. Uh one in particular involved Asf Mant who was a Pakistani national who had traveled from Iran. um he was led into the US despite having been flagged on a terror watch list and apparently all of the intel that got to the FBI about Merchant was coming from Israel. Uh what happens as soon as Mant comes into the US, he's seeking some
85:20sort of like business deal or something. They throw a confidential human source, the FBI, at him who starts pushing him to enact a plot to assassinate Trump. He seems to be going along with it in his his defense in court was like, I felt like I was a doomed man and there was nothing I could do. He had a very weird trial. Um, but the plot was to have a mob uh at a like a group of people create a distraction at a Trump rally and then to have a sniper use exploit the distraction to target Trump. Um, Butler happens soon after Butler, PA. Thomas Matthew Krooks, who's sort of one of these lonewolf guys who I mean, you exposed that he did have a social media footprint,
86:08but they were just like, he's seemingly able quite a large social media footprint in which he was, you know, clearly in contact with people from foreign countries who we don't whose identities we don't know. Yeah. It didn't seem like there wasn't anything you could find or any investigators could find that connected him to Iran. Oh, I don't think he had any connection to Iran. Right. Well, the day after the Butler, PA plot Mrs. Trump's ear by a millimeter, the FBI rushes down to Houston, I think it was Houston, where Merchant was being held in prison. He had just been arrested. And they interrogate him about Butler. And then Mike Waltz, who is I think he was in Congress
86:47at the time, one of the lifelines of Apac, one of Israel's greatest allies in Congress.
86:52he starts uh using the opportunity to try to point the finger at Iran for Butler uh through the Butler investigation investigative commission. War Israel initiates war in June on Iran. It's unclear what the US is going to do. The war is not going very well for Israel. I think they underestimated Iran's capacity to hit back and to recover after its leadership was assassinated. And Netanyahu has a desperate interview on Fox News with Brett Bearer where he's trying to get the US into the war and he said Iran is responsible for Butler and for he said Iran is responsible for two assassination attempts on Trump. He's referring to Butler and the Mara
87:36Lago attempt by Ryan Ralph Ryan Roth which I can talk about in a second. But he's he understands that's the way into Trump's head is such a liar. And Brett Bayer is astonished. He said, "What what are you talking about? uh do you have intelligence on that? And Netanyahu said, "Yeah, through proxies like but it's just his own BS." Um and he's trying to push Trump to get into the war by saying Iran's trying to kill you. You have to take them out. So after uh Trump, flash forward um what 8 months, Trump carries out Netanyahu's wish to assassinate Ayatollah Ali Kamei and his staff and his children and his grandchildren. and Trump comes out and said, "I got him before he got
88:20me." So clearly this psychological pressure and a lot of these um very dubious assassination plots were affecting the way he was thinking. Um he actually and during the 2024 campaign, he went on a decoy flight because the FBI told him that IRGC agents were in the country with man pads and he went on Steve Witoff's jet and left the rest of his staff to go on Trump Force One. So then, so I was in Iran to see this funeral and I was stunned by the amount of anger there. This is after the signing of theou. Um the the anger ended theou like along with Trump violating eight of its terms. But people were in the streets crying. They were furious. They love they considered Solommani
89:09a hero but killing Hamini was like another level. Um, and what they would say is, you know, we considered him to be a father, a teacher, a guide. Uh, how could you do this? He was 87 years old. And also, you slaughtered our children. And Mino, like you slaughtered 130 school children on the same day you killed him. Like, we're not going to take this. We're a strong nation, and we want retaliation, and that means that Trump has to be targeted. And people were holding signs that said, "Kill Trump." Um, a woman, one woman held up a gold chain and said to me, uh, you know, we're we're basically collecting a thousand chains for the person who will exact just
89:47who will get justice for what was done to Kami, like a bounty. So I I went uh I I interviewed the mayor of Thrron who had run for president is in the more conservative camp, a critic of theou like a very big critic of the um current reformist leadership that wanted a deal. His name is um Ali Resa Zakani. And I asked him like is this the policy now? Like what do you think of all these calls to target Trump and Netanyahu in the streets from people who are furious about this? And he the I should also mention he was a friend of Solmanis and of Hassan Rouhani who died a mysterious death the former president who probably should have who could have been the next Ayatollah and he said to
90:33me um you know we have to respect their call for sacred justice um if we support the revolution and you know he goes on but justice could be achieved by closing the straight of Hormuz uh justice could like revenge could be achieved by removing US bases from the region. Revenge could be achieved through actually rolling back the empire that has been suffocating us. And that's kind of the response of the Iranian establishment. They do not want to target Trump. They don't see any point in it. I I also interviewed an Iranian academic who understands her society much better than me and you know, she reinforced that point and said Trump is just a figurehead. It wouldn't make any sense
91:18anyway. Abasaragi, the foreign minister, current foreign minister, said Trump is doing a good enough job of destroying his own um his own career and society. Why would we want him dead? And I believe that that's the case. So right after that funeral took place, this is July of this year, NATO happens in Ankura and the Israelis feed intelligence to the Secret Service that Trump is going to be uh there IRGC assassins with again with man pads, remember that? Who are in the country and he can be targeted. And uh according to many reports in mainstream media, Trump was hidden in a food cart. It's like a scene out of like a a Leslie Nielsen comedy from the '9s. He's
92:07hidden in a food cart and taken out of Air Force One and put in another on another decoy flight.
92:13Um, so the Israelis manipulated Trump into this epic humiliation of hiding in a food court as as they had manipulated him into war by exploiting his greatest psychological vulnerability, which is his fear of mortality and his fear for this his very legitimate fear for the safety of his family. How is this resolved? Do you think the war against Iran It's a It's going to be a protracted war and I think it could escalate right before the midterms.
92:51I saw a report about Trump appointing two unnamed adviserss. It's an Axios today which is never to be trusted, but it's an important uh you know indication of what Trump administration's thinking because it's basically like a bulletin board for them. Uh two US officials are putting forward a post-election plan for the Middle East. Well, they they have no plan and it's going to fail and the war will likely continue as a protracted war. There are many dangers in that as Joe Kent has pointed out, former director of counterterrorism center at U DNI, who's now, you know, considered an an an enemy of this administration because he told the truth and tried to prevent this war.
93:38um that he's one of Trump's only real friends in the entire administration. I would I would agree.
93:43Uh which is to say he told the truth in a way that Trump really needed to hear. It was almost nobody else would. The fact that they consider Joe Ken an enemy says everything about that. Well, he believed in America first. Yes. Sincerely. So many others who've held on seem to just believe in uh Trump incorporated. Yeah. He is warning of a nuclear strike. Yes. I think that's the most dire scenario. I don't think a US ground invasion is very likely. Iran's economy is suffering.
94:13Like when I talk to people I know there who are just like regular middle class people, they they are suffering inflation, but they're not going to head out into the streets anytime soon and seek to overthrow their government. There is a real coming together that I saw in Iran. I was like walking through the Tajish market in northern Thran. Um I was I was like you know just wanting to get some souvenirs on my way out and you know that's an area where the opposition is to the Islamic Republic is very strong where wealthier secular Iranians live and you know talking to shop owners and people around there you see so many women without not wearing hijab around there. Um and you
94:58go into the malls at night or the hotels women are like they're dressed like they're going to a club in the United States. Just to give you an idea of the, you know, the the vibe there, the atmosphere, and people were just, when they said, I said I'm from the US, they're never furious with me. They just wanted me to know how furious they were about the murder of the girls and the kids in Mob. Uh, and there's a rally around the flag effect. So, they're willing to take economic pain.
95:24The question is, are we as Americans willing to take so much economic pain? Like, gas prices went up like 20 cents this week per gallon. Are we willing to take that for Israel? Uh, are we willing to take more dead American soldiers for Israel who are like black and brown kids who are just trying to advance in life and maybe save up money through the military who are being wasted at these bases that no Americans even knew existed. Are we willing? I don't think so. No. So, what I what I can say is like this this war is just opening up contradictions that didn't exist before between the American public and the Israeli agenda. And Trump has been caught in between and
96:05he's siding with a foreign country. Except the pain hasn't really started. And it was yesterday that diesel fuel on which the entire economy runs hit 10 bucks in California. A gallon. Yep. That's the uh what the Zionist price hike. Yes. It's not even I mean our fuel pumps aren't even designed to register $10, right? I mean they're going to have to change the pump. So that you can imagine this becoming not just a squeeze or a downturn but a catastrophe where people in the United States get poor and people in other countries starve and like the the cost is really high if this straight remains closed and if the Red Sea remains closed because of Yemen. It's an epic epic catastrophe.
96:53I agree with Robert Kagan who said that this is a greater catastrophe for the US than Vietnam.
97:00He's coming at it from a different angle than me. And it's it's it's it's an economic catastrophe because it threatens the dollar as the global reserve correct currency. The $40 trillion deficit is costing the US the confidence of investors permanently. So that's what they're risking here. And this war is a major factor in that. How long? So, so this is like another way to gauge what's actually happening. So Trump does follow commodities prices.
97:31get him on your phone and he is worried about it. He's absolutely worried about fuel prices, for example. Um, and not just fuel, food, those prices go up. He really feels that the only way out is to constrain Israel. So, it's just it's a binary. It's a choice. It's like disaster at home or loyalty to Israel. And he's at least as of right now, he's choosing loyalty to Israel. So, like what could possibly explain that behavior? I just think it's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
98:03And like nobody's being held accountable in the administration. Pete Hathth, he's not being held accountable. He's hiring propagandists as secret special employees. Uh they just put Erica Kirk essentially. They just made Erica Kirk essentially a Pentagon propagandist, too. She was appointed to the board of the Air Force Academy. Uh it's it's an absolute joke what they're doing. There's and and there's no there's no sense from Trump that anything that has happened has uh you know that that anything hasn't gone according to plan. He keeps saying the Iranian military is destroyed. The Iranian navy is destroyed. The US controls the straight of Hormuz.
98:49Meanwhile, Ansurah, the Houthis, are advancing and taking unprecedented amounts of territory from the fake Yemen government, which is based in a hotel room in Riyad. They could close the Babo Mandeb, which is another extremely strategic waterway. What would that do to the US economy? There are more cards that Iran can lay down on the table if Trump doesn't start to pull back and find a way out of this. I think he probably does want to find a way out of it.
99:18definitely doesn't know how. Well, he can't do the one thing that's necessary, which is to constrain Israel. And I just don't understand why. As you I mean, no matter how much money they promise you or radio shows they sponsor or whatever they're doing, in the end, you're looking at like becoming the most unpopular president in the history of our country. Yeah. And I mean, his his the midterm strategy is all about getting out the base. Um it's you know Trump won because he went beyond his base and people who people who would not have even voted decided to vote for Trump in 2024. His base is dwindling and part of this also is uh weaponizing the government to
99:59target denters and calling everyone to the left of Barry Goldwater in 1964 a communist. uh the insane anti-Muslim hysteria that they're trying to whip up, exploiting the 25th anniversary of 911, be a socialist and accusing me of being too pro-Muslim. Yeah. Um then you know things have gone completely crazy. But that's all they have left is a very dwindling cult-like base that largely consists of, you know, Fox News boomers is mad about Sharia law. I know they don't like Sharia law because it prohibits usery. So I get it. Okay. But just kidding. Sort of. But uh sorry it does. But no, but the point is what I'm not defending Sharia law. Of course I'm an Episcopalian. However,
100:46I don't remember the last time I was frustrated by Sharia law. It's not like an issue in this country. Prices are an issue. Lack of opportunity is an issue. Drugs are a massive issue. SSRIs that are making everyone crazy and causing mass shootings. There are a lot of issues, right? But Sharia law, they're running on Sharia law. Like what? who thought this up? That's their strategy against Abdul Sed. You know, you saw Jesse Waters ask him about that in their That's the candidate in Michigan. I supposedly endorsed that you supposedly I think like some Manhattan Institute front group said you officially endorsed him. Um, which is absurd. So, so, so I don't know anything
101:24about him. Did Did Did you or not? I don't endorse anybody. I'm a podcaster. But moreover, I just know the guy he's running against who's a loathome person who is exactly the Mike Rogers is exactly the Republican you run if you want to lose. And they ran him before and he lost because no normal person would ever vote for Mike Rogers. He is the embodiment of everything that is ugly, immoral, and stupid about the national security state. He is a tool of repression. He's totally for warrantless spying and searches and like everything that a conservative should be against.
101:59Mike Rogers is not a conservative to put it mildly. So I said, "This is craziness. You're Mike Rogers. No way." And they're like, "Well, you endorsed the Muslim guy." Okay. He he's he's like the distillation of everything disgusting about the neocons. Actually, actually craven stupid like and and but mostly does just doesn't care about the United States. What's happening here?
102:26People will say, "Oh, well Max Blumenthal, he's a leftist." If we Google him, it says far left. So, so fine. It's not about me or what I think about this race. It's about what Michiganers think. And uh their economy is linked to Canada. Trump kind of screwed Mike Rogers with uh initiating a trade war with Canada. I mean, so much of Michigan's exports depend on Canada. Uh cars are being assembled like they're getting parts from there. So, I mean, there are all of these kitchen table issues that are being completely ignored for these boutique fanatical causes like creeping Sharia. And there's not they're Trump is not setting the stage for a new generation
103:12of conservatives to come in enthusiastically and support whatever comes after him. I think what happened at TPUSA is a great kind of metaphor for what's happening overall with MAGA. It's sort of like a microcosm for what's happened to MAGA with the uh untimely death removal of of Charlie Kirk who was being forced to reckon with the fact that his base, the young conservatives, were done with Israel. They were sick of it. They didn't think it comported with America first. and he was starting to get in tune with them. I I see no evidence, just in case anyone's watching this and trying to call me some conspiracy theorist, I see no evidence. I have no evidence that Israel
103:56was responsible for his assassination. But what happened was with one bullet, one of the greatest threats to Israel's control over the movement he represented was removed. He was like the only guy with that level of power who could get in the Oval Office with Trump, who was even willing to lobby Trump against uh joining the Israeli war on Iran back in June 2025. Uh he was the only one who could get in the way and get in tune with the younger conservative base that was filling up TPUSA events and he's gone. And what replaced him? uh Erica Kirk, who seems to be herself a complete tool for the national security state, which is why she's on the board of the Air Force Academy now,
104:43um whose mother was a defense contractor who helped kind of launch her first foundation and who has allowed Israel back into the building. Remember, I mean, I broke the story about Dr.
104:57for Bob. Bob Schillman, the largest donor to TPUSA, who is an Israel first sent millionaire, who also sponsored the career of Laura Loomer, he wanted his name on a building at TPUSA's campus in uh I think Scottsdale. And days before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, he denounced him at a private gala, an awards gala in LA, and said, "I'm not giving him the $2 million." I managed to confirm that and reported it. It's true. I don't know if Bob Schulman is funding TPUSA, but I uncovered a contract. Wh Why did he not give the money? What was he mad about? He Oh, that's a great question that I haven't explained. Charlie Kirk was opposing the war on Iran. He was
105:39questioning the is he was he was questioning Israeli the pro-Israel control over himself.
105:47He went on Megan Kelly's show in uh May of 2025 or was it later and complained about Jewish stakeholders and supporters who are becoming who are becoming hyperontrolling and demanding and telling him that he has to care obsessively about a foreign country. I also exposed how there was a secret influencer summit convened by the pro-Israel billionaire Bill Aman in the Hamptons in August of 2025 and Charlie Kirk was there and he was screamed at by this Zionist lawyer Natasha Heddorf because he started questioning why he had to center everything around Israel and why he couldn't host you at his youth conferences. That's what they were demanding. No Tucker Carlson on the
106:36stage. Spoke at a lot of them and really enjoyed it. Everyone, you know. So now it's like TPUSA, if you look at the way it's talked about in the conservative grassroots, like anything or any any organic person would talk about it, it's seen as an op or like a scop. It's regarded with deep suspicion. And I got a leaked contract between them and a group called the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, which is a very shady organization, which is the second largest non-governmental donor to the government of Israel. Its president is based in Israel. And they had pledged $700,000 to TPUSA uh in May of 2025 when Charlie Kirk was alive. and he was,
107:23you know, threat I I think what he was saying about Israeli control over the movement about Iran was threatening that donation as well as many others. But under Erica Kirk, it's very clear that that donation has continued. And now the the TPUSA faith events that you see, including one recently in El Paso where an Israeli flag was draped on the stage, those are being sponsored in part by the International Fellowship of Christians and these events are in churches. They're in churches. And this is just why would an American church put, by the way, any national flag in a Christian church?
108:00I've never understood that. But certainly a foreign flag in a Christian American church.
108:05Like why would you do that? Yeah. Uh well, if you are the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, you basically want them to be good little foot soldiers for this foreign country's agenda by exploiting uh their interpretation of the Bible in the end times. The international IFCJ, this group, they have an agenda to plant 3 million flags on in churches globally. but also what they do. They're a deeply corrupt organization. Their founder, who's now uh dead, Yaquil Xen, he paid himself $1.2 million. He paid his family hundreds of thousands of dollars. They raise money from poor and workingclass Christians around the not just in the US, but in Latin America,
108:52where like half the population lives below the poverty line. and they give it to Israeli organizations and extremely wealthy pro-Israel American Jewish organizations like the Jewish Federations. They also are giving money to failing media organizations like Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire, which has had to lay off executives. They uh have like dwindling viewership. He's been bleeding YouTube subscribers. And so he has paid a paid partnership with IFCJ and he hosts interviews with their new president Yael X. Yael Xeen. Who else? Who else gets uh paid partnerships with them? Mark Levvin I think has one. Ted Cruz. And this is wild. This is so wild. Ted Cruz has a paid
109:40partnership with IFCJ and now now he's a senator. He's a sitting senator. Well, you know, seemingly that would be legal because they're technically a non-governmental group, but he's also getting taking ads ads are running on his show on iHeart Media from the Israeli government itself. And iHeart Media has an arrangement with Ted Cruz to donate that revenue to a pack, I think it's called Truth and Courage associated with Ted Cruz that supports his reelections. What? So indirectly, it looks like the Israeli government is supporting Ted Cruz, whose office is basically um Wait, is that illegal? Can a US senator take foreign money for a campaign? You would think it would be, but
110:25uh I don't know. Pam Bondi got rid of the foreign corrupt practices division of the Department of Justice, which is involved in Farah right when she came in. Uh, so there there there's all kinds of this is this is shady. I don't know why it's legal. It was upsetting Charlie Kirk. Um, and now there's no resistance to Israel or these Israeli proxies. Actually, after Charlie Kirk was killed, the IFCJ, International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, which channels money from workingclass Christians to powerful Jewish groups and Israel, hosted an event in Jerusalem alongside the Israeli Foreign Ministry. And they gave an award to Erica Kirk uh in the name of Charlie Kirk. And they
111:14wanted to basically claim Charlie Kirk and bury this whole thing that you know he was this whole crisis that he had caused for them. And Erica Kirk started getting criticized when word leaked that she was going to accept the prize because, you know, as we understand, younger conservatives are not very happy about the way Israel is um influencing the US government. And so Andrew Kovit, who's their PR guy, said, "No, this is all fake. Erica Kirk had nothing to do with this." Uh and it was too soon. It was too soon for them to embrace Israel. But then she goes on a town hall with uh Barry Weiss on CBS. Like a very eerie and cringe-worthy town hall. Um the whole thing felt
112:01stage. Barry Weiss tried to humiliate her. Really? I thought there there was an element of that.
112:05Barry Weiss being the self-proclaimed Zionist fanatic who is the editor-inchief of CBS News installed by Larry Ellison's son who's himself very connected to Israel. And Erica Kirk said, "Why would anyone hate Israel? Me and Charlie went there and we walked where the B when we saw the Bible come alive. How could anyone hate that place? Charlie loved Israel. And so she's already trying to reverse his position. She was asked, "Uh, do you oppose the war on Iran?" And she refused to answer the question. So that's gone. But what's also gone is TPUSA's credibility.
112:39And since I published that leaked contract and my whole analysis of everything that's happened over the past year at the gray zone, uh all we've heard from TPUSA is that a statue of Charlie Kirk was defaced uh at their campus and that's all they're focusing on. They're not responding to anything.
112:58Like Andrew Kulovit didn't respond to me. Um, and you know, I hope they produce CCTV footage showing that and they catch whoever did that, which is disgraceful, but they have that that that's what they're focused on. It's so sad to see. And I really have obviously I know all those people and I've tried to get and I like a lot of them. Most of them really I like most people, but um I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and they're in a super tough spot and I get it.
113:26But one thing I really do resent is the idea that when you bring up stuff like this, they some of the people you mentioned will say to you, you know, you're kind of obsessed with the Jews.
113:36It's like, I'm in no sense obsessed with the Jews, obsessed with my kids, uh, and a lot of things, but not the Jews at all. Other people are obsessed with Israel in a way that's really destructive and ugly, I think. But it's not even quote Jews who are doing this. It's the Christian Zionists who are doing it. And so like it's it's like not a good faith response at all. Why is there an Israeli flag in a church at your event? Shame on you. Like it's super simple. And they'll be like, "Oh, you hate the Jews. Okay. Nope. Don't hate the Jews. Hate that behavior." Isn't the point of Christian Zionism to make Christians obsessed with the Jews because you place Jews at the center
114:15of history and you are dependent on the Jews in order to achieve the rapture. I've read the New Testament a lot, like every day, and I just don't see any of that in the New Testament. So, I really don't know what it is exactly. I think there are an awful lot of very nice Christian Zionists who are decent people, and I would give them my rowdy number and have no fear of theft. However, there is a spell that settles over people, and you wind up with a lot of people, including some I know who are like, "No, no, no. We need to support people who reject Jesus as they kill Christian children because Jesus wants us to." And it's like, can you hear yourself? That is not what the New Testament
114:55tells us. Like, I'm just I don't know where you're coming up with that. Well, yeah. I mean, that would be one Christian interpretation. I don't think it's a Christian. Another Christian interpretation comes from Pastor John Hegy, which is that um all Jews need to be gathered in the quote unquote holy land, which is greater Israel, in order for the rapture to take place.
115:18and that Hitler actually was part of the rapture because he helped uh establish Israel through the Jewish genocide in Europe and that Herzel was also part of the rapture in that he brought he created this concept through which Jews could be gathered. He said that he calls it Hitler was a hunter and Herzel was a fisher something like that. He also said that um that the the antich I mean he he said so many bizarre um things but the point is they want Christians to be obsessed with the Jews and they want them to be phosetic to the point where I get deeply uncomfortable. Phyloatism feels like the other side of the coin of course from anti-semitism. Have you ever heard the ads
116:05that IJ, this uh Israeli based group which is sponsoring TPUSA, has been running like all across the radio in the US. They come on and they say you can save one Jew for $700. You can rescue a Jew from a life of anti-semitism by sending them on one of our freedom flights to Israel.
116:29Give us your money and save a Jew. It's like look at the state of Jewish life in the US. Do we need to be saved? I mean, this is crazy. But they've convinced people that they have to give them their money to I think that's such a smart point. I used to Yeah. I used to hear this from uh you know, I knew a couple black leaders who I didn't agree with on a lot of things, but they always hated white liberals. And I did too. We hate them for different reasons, but they dislike white liberals because they would have this sort of fake worshipful attitude like you're holy because you're black. And they're like, it makes me uncomfortable. Like, I'm just a person. It's
117:05important to treat people as human beings and not obviously denigrate or dehumanize them. Of course, that's evil. But also not deify them. That's also evil. Like they're people just like us, just like me, just like you. Do you know what I mean? Like there's a very that is the flip side of hate actually. Yep. And you are told in Christian Zionist churches and uh there's actually a film I'm forgetting the name. It was made by Israeli filmmakers showing a church in Appalachia where the pastor is telling um young young people that u the Jews are better than you. Those are his exact words. It's going viral on X right now. um clips of this film, but I've seen that,
117:47you know, going to Christians United for Israel conferences and seeing the way they treat me when they see my name is Blumenthal. How do they treat you? They're like, "Oh, Blumenthal. Wow. Well, you know, you're Jewish and we just believe that, you know, you are special and you are blessed and they want to be Jewish." And they blow chauffear and they wear talit, you know, the Jewish prayer cloth and they they basically like impersonate Jews. It's kind of like a minstrel show.
118:15Um, I had the same reaction like a black person would have to seeing like Al Jolson, you know, in his prime and and and Israel's behind this whole thing. Apac helped set up that organization. Uh, they are dependent on that organization and they are running a basically phosmetic minstrel show across the heartland. So, how does this I mean it doesn't feel like this whole moment can end well.
118:43Like what's your how do you think in the end this is resolved? I don't know. Will this podcast end well? Like what's going to happen to me when I walk out of I don't know. I mean, by the way, I don't think you've said I mean, I know you haven't said anything hateful or unfair. I I you know, you said a lot of things I haven't personally reported, but I I think you're a meticulous reporter. I don't think you've been attacked too much for being wrong. I think you've been attacked for having unpopular opinions, which are two different things. Yeah. I mean, for from my How will this all end from from my point of view? Um, I can't like we've got two
119:18words. I'm not I'm not I'm not Professor Jen. No, I kind of love that guy. Every time we had him on, I must have got 100 texts. He's This is an op. It's a scop. And it's like, okay, first of all, what isn't? But I'm not even sure whatever. But I still think he's interesting. Yeah. I I I I crossed paths with him in LA. So, I interviewed him driving around and we were like driving around Skid Row and I was just getting his impressions cuz I I I'm in favor of engaging with people with different perspectives. Oh, me too. Um, and I got the same thing like a hundred hundred people probably from another perspective saying he's an op or he's this. You think he's interesting as a
119:55thinker? It was an interesting conversation. I avoid People love to hear people make bold predictions and then try to back it up and double down even when they're proven wrong. Of course. Oh gosh. Uh, and I'm just not going to I'm not going to do that. I guess I just feel like we've got simultaneous crises accelerating at once. You've got this war in Eastern Europe. You got this war in the Middle East. And you have the collapse of the two-party system. Well, it hasn't collapsed, but I mean, it's been revealed as fake. And you have very intense discontent at the center of both parties. And then you have this looming financial disaster. And that's a lot at once.
120:33Yeah, you would it would seemingly be a major blow to unipolar US power. Yeah. I think you know the whole the whole world of that the the whole um psychological world that the neocons created in the 1990s as reality. like they actually convinced the American political class, a large section of American society and the and US corporate media that their worldview was reality and they got the Iraq war out of it and so on. They did. that reality has completely shattered.
121:16And what we're going to see is just an increasing growing clash between our I I don't know what to call them. It would be crude to call them the ruling class. They they but that's what they are.
121:33um a 0.1% of the United States who is increasingly afraid of the rest of the public knows they no longer have consensus for their agenda. No leadership in either party has real credibility or identity after Trump. We can't even we no one can even visualize who the Democratic candidate might be. That's right. There is a deep-seated fear or the Republican candidate for that matter. There's a deep-seated fear of um stochastic violence or terrorism from the 0.1% carried out by lonewolf individuals like Luigi Manion against the ultra rich as well as direct action protest and they're classifying e everyone as terrorists which we all saw coming after the Patriot Act was passed and
122:28now it's sort of reaching its culmination. And so what we can say is the US will be less democratic.
122:34The US public will be uh less economically stable. The country will be more politically unstable and there will be more and more desire for a kind of political insurgency. Yet there's no clear leadership. Who are the leaders right now? Who are the who are who are the figures that people look to? One one of them is you. And I never would have thought that. Although, you know, having known you for several years, I'm not entirely surprised um that now you can like walk through an airport in a liberal city and people are like um approving of what you're saying. Um people look to comedians like Jimmy Door or Tim Dylan. Comedians have far more
123:21credibility in our culture than politicians. And people are looking for real credible independent journalism that isn't corporate journalism because they finally understand the point that um Michael Parenti made in his book inventing reality which is one of the most important books about the media which is that the I the concept of reality or of objectivity within the media is a ruse or a device which corporate media enforces in order to enforce their own ideology of course which is now coming out. What is their own ideology? It's whatever Palanteer's ideology is.
124:03It's whatever Larry Ellison's ideology is. It's whoever their whatever their corporate master's ideology is. And of course they're militantly Zionist as the US population is turning against the special relationship with Israel. So in that respect, it's it's a it's it's a generally good time for media and the the problem is there's no political leadership uh to guide this anywhere and it may be off limits in our political system that will be exposed very shortly. Yeah. I mean there is a red line there somewhere. I mean, it's one thing to talk about what changes we should have on a podcast, say, it's another thing to try to affect those changes in the political arena,
124:47and that's when we find out exactly. Yeah. I mean, what's up? Yeah. I mean, I agree. Uh, but I think do do Americans want a violent revolution? No. No. Of course. They want to see real reforms, and we haven't seen them. I I don't think there have been any important reforms in my entire life. Never. All we've seen, we still have carried interest in the tax code, NAFTA and what happened to Ross Perau when he campaigned against it. Uh the the um the the Federal Communications Act, the deregulating media, um no ant real antitrust legislation, nothing to bring down prices. I mean, it's just a constant uh constant conveyor belt of deregulation and uh still the public has nothing
125:41to hope for right now. So that's so what can I say? It sounds like a black pill, but I just got to say one thing because I can't and it's about me, so I'm embarrassed, but I just have to say it because I just realized it. So 1996, 30 years ago, I'm working at the Weekly Standard for Bill Crystal with Bob Kagan. Yeah. David Brooks and you know the whole cast and uh of neocons. I got along with them all. John putarts and um I'm 26 or whatever and uh Bill Crystal assigns me a piece on Ross Pro and basically my marching orders are he's crazy go prove it. So I write this piece and it was my first cover story and it was called is he nuts? and Bill Crystal called around and got me in
126:24every TV show to promote this piece or whatever. And I remember feel you know it was a decently written piece was incredibly nasty in the way that young people write really nasty magazine pieces as I know you know and it was it was 25 years before I realized I've been completely used. It's to my shame. I mean I agreed to it. I did it. It's all my fault. But I was used to stop Perau not because he was crazy. Everyone in politics is crazy. He's like one of the least crazy people in he married the same woman his whole life. Right. wasn't crazy really compared to what Lindsey Graham, John McCain. No, because he had a take on economics that wasn't populist exactly,
127:01but it wasn't neoliberal and that was the real threat and they hated him for that. Yeah. Yeah.
127:08Uh and he was a extremely wealthy, eccentric character who was comfortable in his rank who couldn't be pushed around and didn't care. Smart. That's that's the fear or or the fear of someone like a Roosevelt taking on the economic royalist who comes from American aristocracy. Right. I think there's a fear of you for the same reason that you just feel too comfortable in who you are.
127:32I don't know if you would ever consider running. I have no interest in running for anything ever, but I certainly feel comfortable in who I am and I'm not intimidated by them. That's for sure. Who are these people? That's how I feel. But anyway, um, yeah, I and I I want I want, you know, that's that's how I come out of this whole episode of being targeted by Randy Fine and Laura Limmer is like, I'm not going to be intimidated. I'm going to escalate journalistic activities. Um, I was actually a couple weeks ago, not far from here in Vermont at the Bread and Puppet Farm. And that's, you know, one of the, it was one of the first and now the last sort of anti-imperialist puppet
128:12troops. And they put on this really fun anti-war circus. And people come from miles around to watch it. And I gave a talk there. They hosted me to talk in a barn. And I learned um about the history of Bread and Puppet. It was founded by this uh figure named Peter Schuman who's now 92. His family were liberal Germans. They were not Jewish, but they opposed the Nazi regime. They fled Nazi Germany. He met a woman um Ela Nearing, I believe her name was, who helped him sharpen his politics.
128:43And I learned about her grandfather, who is named Scott Nearing, who apparently with his wife had a farm not far from here where we're sitting. Um and he helped popularize the homesteading movement.
128:56Scott Nearing was one of the major opponents of World War I. He saw it as kind of a a war for the bureaucrats that the only winners of this war in which like the senior class of Princeton was liquidated in minutes in battles uh were the was the plutoaucracy and I you know I went you know you read his arguments then and what he was saying in debates it's very similar to um what I'm hearing now from opponents of the Iran war and he ran for Congress in New York against Fiorella Laguardia who was coming back from World War I as this great war hero and the Republican party and the Democratic party closed ranks and essentially conspired to stop Scott Nearing from be from
129:42winning a congressional seat because he opposed what both parties truly agreed on. He opposed the duopoly back then. Um he was prosecuted under the Espionage Act. He was basically driven out of, you know, polite society and that's how he got into homesteading and selling maple syrup.
130:00um he thought it was the only way he could have intellectual freedom and it brought him up here to where you spend a lot of time. And so I think we have to consider that like politics within both parties is increasingly off limits to people who think independently and are willing to call out bankers bankers wars. Um where is the path forward? And I don't have an answer to that.
130:21I'm a journalist. Could there be a third party, including in this in this upcoming presidential campaign, that could actually bring people together that could put the divisive culture war issues to the side and focus on what people really seem to be agreeing on? Opposition to AI super intelligence, you know, Skynet, opposition to data centers taking over our resources and communities, opposition to flock cameras, um opposition to the special relationship with Israel, which is driving us to war and destroying our economy, support for like reforms. Do you think that's possible in America anymore? I haven't the faintest idea. I hope so. I hope so. But I
131:07do I do think um it'd be tough with the current system. I do think be tough. But I don't know.
131:16We'll find out. It's midepptember. We've got the midterm elections the first Tuesday in November.
131:21And I think it'll be a much clearer picture after that. Um I will be reading you as I always do. And I'm just grateful you spend all this time here. Max Blumenthal. Great seeing you and good luck, man. They want to hurt you, but I'm I'm thankful for you. Same to you. Thank you.
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