0:01Dude, I I and I I hate myself for even it's an it feels like a I feel guilty and it's like an impure thought.
0:10>> I think when I look through like an ego thing too. It's like why would anyone want but I especially you >> dude you have an influence that is and you probably don't even think about it because you're in studio. You're in this studio. You're and you're just like oh we do the podcast that did well. Nice.
0:24We go we do the next one.
0:27>> I mean I really mean this from a a true point. The impact that you have is very dangerous to a status quo that already exists. Now, there's a lot of you, but not really. I know you think there's a lot of you, but not really. But you know how insane it is to be able to post a video with a random homeschool like I was advocating for homeschooling and it gets hundreds of thousands of views and then that doesn't include clips.
0:53People would pay, brands would pay for that impact. and people that really want the impact. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for each one.
1:01>> But you don't think about it cuz you're in this studio in Hoboken, New Jersey.
1:03>> I [laughter] It's so No, no, dude. You You know what I mean? You're nailing it.
1:07You're like, >> it's just like And you wake up, you go to the gym.
1:09>> I talk about it all the time. Like I'm I'm an extremely private person. I keep which is so ironic cuz like you people [snorts] get to know me doing this. Like they they just do because I'm talking with people of all different backgrounds for three hours at a time, multiple times a week. And like they get to know who you are and that is a nature of it.
1:27But like there's this and then there's my life. And what it's been since day one when I had zero followers 6 years ago in my parents house and press the upload button is the same it is today.
1:38We're recording this not live right now.
1:40No one knows you're here. We're chilling in [ __ ] Hoboken. And later I'm going to hit this magical button that says upload and 5 days later I'm going to get back and be like wow people watch that.
1:50people watched it and then people are going and people will clip it and people will put it up and you'll put up on your own pages and then think about it.
1:57You're talking to people all over the world right away. So I mean >> and that's something that people need thinking about that. It's it's like >> it re like >> it's a thought when I go through some of these especially when they're like a 12.
2:14I'm like, >> "Yeah, come." Yeah. And then also, >> but do you think like do you uh do you ever and I I think I've heard you discuss this.
2:23>> Are you ever thinking about that from like who you invite on?
2:26>> Yes.
2:27>> And I think people don't see what happens behind the scenes now with us talking about people coming on. I hate that we have to have these conversations, but I got some stories for you, man.
2:38>> Yeah. Exactly. and you know and then also you've I think people trust you so you probably have gotten a lot of stuff and they know they've told you things and they've never gotten out so that helps.
2:48>> Yeah.
2:48>> But >> I mean you've talked to so many people and like how many people and then there's the the chances are I mean and this isn't we can talk about Joe Rogan forever but people were posting uh they were like oh look at all these people that were in the Epstein files that were on Rogan.
3:03>> It's not fair to him.
3:04>> That's not fair.
3:05>> It's not fair to him.
3:06>> Also he did say no to to Jeff. That's a crazy story that that one guy wanted him on, but he's had like over a thousand episodes. It's It's >> the only one where I was like, and who the [ __ ] am I to talk, right? I'm a huge believer in not doing >> Stones from Glass Houses, but >> when he had on Peter Teal last year, >> and this is before the Epstein stuff came out and all that, but I was I was like, >> I don't know about that one. Like, I feel like that's going to bite you in the ass. But he also, as from what I understand, like he put that off for a long time and then finally was like, "Fuck it." Like
3:41all it takes is being like, "Fuck it."
3:43one day and you do it and then it's done.
3:46>> I've done that.
3:47>> Yeah. Exactly.
3:47>> With people that no one's ever heard of.
3:49>> Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] Exactly. [ __ ] it.
3:51>> What the [ __ ] You know, so I think people and and it's so strange. People love to just [ __ ] rip apart Rogan for every decision he makes now. And I'm like, [ __ ] none of this exists without him.
4:08>> Where were you when he was getting attacked by the whole machine three years ago? Who were you?
4:13>> I know.
4:14>> You know, it's so Listen, he's not perfect, >> but no one's perfect.
4:18>> I think he has a great point of view. He hits upload and then he just goes about his day.
4:24>> I don't know. Look, I don't know him at I've never talked to him in my life.
4:27Obviously, I have 60 friends in common with him. I don't know that it's that simple anymore, unfortunately, because he's been so viciously attacked again and again. But from everything I hear, the nonchalants of the actual recording >> is like just like it was like he walks in, hey, you ready to go? Like, let's go. You know, and that is the most important part. It's a matter of >> I I think what happens and it's not just like in podcasting or whatever. I think it's in anything. When something starts and it's just pure and there's not [ __ ] and there's not people yelling at you or whatever, there's a there's a
5:05special upstart nature to it and then eventually it gets bigger and it's not your fault, but it gets tentacles and it gets all these, you know, hard stops at three emails and [ __ ] like that. And I don't think he's gotten that. But with anything, you lose at some point like some of the luster and the specialness because you're thinking about [ __ ] And that's something I always try to pull back here cuz I'm like, yo, 6 years in, this is just like it was day one. I have to think a little bit more about some people that come on, but like I'm still, you know, I put on a shirt about 60 seconds before you got here today.
5:39You know, that's that's not even normal for me. I'm like this dude that just rolls out of his apartment and talks with people and and I'm always saying we got to keep this purity however this is. And if that means that I still have to like I do all the thumbnails, right?
5:53If that means I still have to be doing that 3 years from now because we retain the purity, [ __ ] it. I'll do it.
5:58>> Yeah, the purity is definitely something that Yeah. And once it grows even more, then it really gets out of control because then it's like I have these people that are working for me and it's like that's probably a question you got to really think about as an owner. I have to make these decisions that for me I'm fine with the risk but there's people there's 10 15 20 people that work for me and then you don't want to screw them over now it's a lot easier when it's people that you know are >> yeah I got my best friends working >> exactly and it's like they're on you guys are all on the same page but once
6:26it becomes so big you have to make these calls that are really really difficult I would assume >> that's also something Rogan's done an amazing job with he doesn't have a huge team >> he doesn't have a huge team I think the part that probably sucks for him is like all the security that he has to do and [ __ ] like that. That's different. But like, you know, you see all these other podcasts, they got [ __ ] 40 people with headsets. When you walk up to it, it's like that's not what this space was. If I ever do that, put back of my figurative, not literal. YouTube, don't demonetize me. But you >> No. Yeah. No, you go to some of these
6:59places and there's there's like they have like 15 editors. Now, I get it.
7:04It's great. It's good for the economy.
7:05It's good for the people that are doing it. But Yeah. Yeah. It's it's and they're they're really on every single word that you say. I walked in here, you you set up the cameras yourself. You were adjusting them. It's very simple.
7:17You go to the bathroom when you have to go to the bathroom. It's a very chill atmosphere. There's some that you go to.
7:23It's because these businesses, these companies, they've seen what the power of the spoken word, the media holds, and new media, and they need to get involved. I mean, look, Open AI paid how much money for TBPN.
7:42Um, which is the >> Oh, yeah. Tell people about that. What's >> So TBPN is kind of Think of if the tech world had a sports center.
7:51>> Yeah.
7:52>> And they started a year [clears throat] ago.
7:54>> What' they get like 200 million?
7:56>> Yeah. Now, I was a little bit surprised by the number knowing how I Now, I don't want to sound like I'm hating on them.
8:03>> WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? YOU KNOW, >> WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?
8:06>> AND I WAS EVEN I hit up and I hit up my agent. I was like, WHAT THE [ __ ] [laughter] >> I was like, did I just do everything wrong? And he was like, well, Open AI probably pay overpaid a little bit. And then also a little.
8:18>> And then also, here's the thing. I think Open AI could put a billion dollars in front of you. I think you'd say no.
8:24>> I'd say no.
8:25>> Yeah. I don't think you want to do it.
8:26>> I'm I'm because I'm an idiot. I'm genuinely [ __ ] Well, that's another thing where that is >> is it better to just play the game to the to the max degree? But if you don't want to, then here's the thing. I think you would lose a lot of fans.
8:40>> I would lose everyone and they they would know I sold out and I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
8:44>> Exactly. So, >> that's the most important thing to me.
8:46>> So, then why does it matter? Now, obviously, you want money, but you're going to make money.
8:49>> Yeah. I say that as a joke, but it's also like they're valuing, and no disrespect to these guys, but they're valuing them, you know, at 7,000 views an episode at $200 million. I was the [ __ ] are you and me? So, so that's what I was going to say. And I'm not even trying to hate on them in any way because I really think >> I hate when you see other content people hate on other content people because it's like they're all doing their own thing. Everything is valued different ways and also maybe they have this grandiose plan.
9:18I look at that and I see the views that you do on every single podcast episode.
9:22So that but that would throw the entire thing out of whack. But right >> here's the thing. A lot of people aren't gonna say yes to open AI, >> you know, and and that's another thing.
9:29Pretend it wasn't open AI, though. Like I'm a big believer in what have people done versus what do they say? And it takes time. You got to, you know, you come out into the world, you got to develop a reputation and that is the only thing you die with and you're still forgotten about a week later. But like >> this is so sad. We were just talking about Kobe and Kobe get gets talked about, but like >> not like you should. I mean, that guy's like one of the most impa and you can you can discuss Kobe in a lot of different ways, but yeah, I mean, there's people that die and like you could die now and the president could
9:59tweet about you and say, "I'm glad you're [ __ ] dead." Like, think about that.
10:03>> Yeah.
10:03>> But think about that. Now, that's Trump, but just in general, >> people die. That's the sad that's probably and one thing I try to work on a lot. It's like you shouldn't be you should be okay with your morality. But yeah, no, that I remember when I was 5 years old, I remembered >> I remember thinking about like what happens when you die and it's never left me.
10:23>> What do you mean it's never left you?
10:24>> Like I always think about that. Not always, that's the wrong way to say it, but I remember I was like 5 years old and I remember I like it was I just maybe I cried out. I remember asking my mom like what happens when you die?
10:36>> What' she say? She was like, "Oh, your grandma's in heaven and that's what happens and like that's what's going to and if you if you're a good person." I was five. But I've always thought and it's just kind of death in general. I'm always thinking about like your morality. It's like damn and what this place goes on forever. What happens after that? It gives me anxiety um in a way that's I can operate with. It's not like a deathly anxiety, but it's it's something that's probably been in humans forever. like that kind of like knot in your stomach where you're like, "Wait, what happens after this?" But the people
11:07that I envy the most are the guys that like modern day people that just don't care. The guy that goes into the boxing ring or an MMA cage says, "Fuck it. I don't care. I'm going to go right.
11:22>> I'm going to go fight." And yeah, I could really like something really awful could happen. Lock that cage. It's me and another man and we're going to fight until the end. Now, obviously, there's a ref. There's rules. But those are the people that I look at, I'm like, "Holy [ __ ] those are guys that don't give a [snorts] fuck."
11:36>> Yeah.
11:37>> You have to have like a certain thing within inside of you that's just And I'm talking even people that do it. Not even like, "Oh, you can talk about Ilia Tapora. You could talk about Terren Crawford, you could talk about Floyd Mayweather, but I'm talking even people that kind of just do it >> to do it >> to do it."
11:53>> Yeah. Everyone's wired differently. And I there's two things I always remind myself because I want to take a step back for a second and go back to a question you asked a minute ago. But like number one, I've only ever lived between my two ears. I can psychologically look at data and see how other people think, but I can never fully know how each individual thinks.
12:09And number two, and this is this is why I want to go back to your question. One thing I always say is people and sometimes I get caught doing it too and I just did. People throw around the term, "If I were blank, then I would blank about very serious things all the time." And the fact of the matter is, you never fully know until you're faced with that decision. So, no one has ever put anywhere near a billion dollars in front of me to be very clear.
12:34>> Okay.
12:35>> What I can say though is that I have had a lot of money and D will attest to this. Allessie will test this. I've had a lot of money put in front of me in the house from people and I have instantaneously said no because I whatever that thing is and maybe that's why I'm not well capitalized. Maybe that's why I don't own a house. Maybe that's why I haven't made nearly as much money on this show as I have. But that thing that exists in people to where like the ultimate scorecard is how much money they're making at all times. I don't have that.
13:04I never have. I am a fulfillment guy.
13:07I'm a guy that when I go to bed at night, if I look in the mirror, I'm like, do I enjoy what I do? Like I think Gary Vee used to have a term about this.
13:14There's people who are romantic about how they make money.
13:18>> And he wasn't necessarily complimentarily complimentary in saying that. But I realized early on, you know what? I am romantic about how I make money. I only want to make money on things that I really actually value and things that make me feel good. And if that makes me weaker than other people and being able to move forward with a bank account like other people can and I can't, I'm fine with that.
13:38>> Yeah. I also think and this is probably something and and this is what friends tell me, my parents tell me, they're very supportive. They're great. I feel like that's one of the luckiest things you can ever have is like really supportive parents >> or even just one. But both of mine I I just lucked out. I won the lottery with that.
13:57>> Me too.
13:59is, and this is what I'm gonna tell you, like the impact you have is like, I mean, I know you don't believe this.
14:06It's otherworldly. You're probably of I mean, it's tough to say, but of people in media, like I mean, I there's not a lot of people doing what you're doing.
14:17>> I think you think of it. I know, but like I really truly mean that. It's like I mean you're we could pull up your numbers but like having consistently six figure seven figure views on podcasting episodes just on YouTube. We don't see the audio numbers. We don't have that publicly but like then you add those up and you can like calculate you think about it. That's an impact that like you can't you can put a monetary value on it but it's it's you you I don't think that really matters for you and you may even have a reputation cuz I know how all these places work. Every [ __ ] talent agency in the world knows who you are.
14:52Every UTA, CAA, WME, but and every company, not every company because marketing there's people like and that's another discussion for another time where it's like who runs marketing.
15:01That's another discussion for another time. But these people know, but they also probably know it's like, oh, he doesn't want to do it. They know like >> that's so strange.
15:10>> But like Drew like and then they're like >> I'm at W I've been at WME for a long time. I love my agent. He's great.
15:16>> Yeah. But like those are people that there's even because then we get to the discussion of and this kind of goes back to Peter Teal. It's like they've always tried to have those types of people in their back pockets >> and you go and this goes to JD Vance and then it goes into it's like oh when did he start to have a connection with this person that turns out to be what's Peter Teal? Top 10 most powerful person in the world if we had to guess publicly >> that we know of. that we know of.
15:46>> Yeah.
15:48>> How big is then it's but how do they get these new people? And that's where I don't know.
15:54>> That's that's a great question, man. And that >> because they would start these and it's always interesting when I hear it's like they would run these newspapers in these college towns and they would >> like Peter Teal or they would invest in them and they would and they would find and there was other people there was people uh this is how they would find specific political people. I forget the name.
16:20They would invest heavily and these are people that would kind of be hand selected to be the next because they see how they write and like there would be people underneath these powerful people reading all these and they would find >> Yeah.
16:33>> Is this it thief?
16:35>> Yes. The Stanford Review.
16:38In 1987, Teal co-founded the Stanford Review, a conservative and libertarian student newspaper at Stanford University. Ongoing support. Teal has maintained a relationship with the paper for over 35 years, providing financial donations and acting as a mentor to staff. And Peter Teal is not unique in this. There's people that throughout specifically this is how like rhinos kind of worked with uh within like the Republican party where it's they would find these people that are politically active in college >> and then obviously if they're writing for the right-wing newspaper within the college or the review whatever it is
17:15then they would find and see who they thought was really talented and then they would kind of take them under their wing. They would get a really good job.
17:23they would get a not even a really good job. They would say, "Hey, you want to come work for us?" And then this person who has these grandiose ideas in college gets told, "We want to help you run for uh somewhere in a small district." And then before you [ __ ] know it, you're a senator. And they come back and say, "Hey, remember me?" Or, "Hey, we've been with you the whole time. This needs to get through." And then along the way, if you're thinking really crazy, >> I mean, think about all the things that we've done as like throughout my 20s to uh 29.
17:56>> Oh, everyone can get got >> get got in ways fake stuff even and like get got in ways. I just like even just a conversation you had at the bar with your buddies that you didn't really mean or anything.
18:09>> You get got >> you get.
18:10>> So, and then it's this search and Peter Teal is not unique in this. I'm sure somebody will point it out in the comments. There's other people that have been doing this for a while. I think um I forget the name, but there's people if you can tie back a lot of politicians and this is kind of the chicken or the egg because if you're writing for a public or for a newspaper in college, you're probably likely to get involved in politics. But they also kind of like they're always keeping an eye on it. And then I wouldn't be surprised now if they're always keeping an eye on people that are making videos that are that's
18:43the new newspaper. They find the 18 19 year old and they say, "Hey, yeah, you're taking the words on right. Deep chase clvicular."
18:50>> Okay.
18:50>> Who's funding him?
18:52>> Well, I so I interviewed him.
18:53>> You did?
18:54>> Yeah.
18:54>> What's he like?
18:56>> Really? Neuro diversion.
18:58>> Yeah. [laughter] Finally had no [ __ ] Sherlock, >> you know what's crazy?
19:02>> He went to Seatan Hall prep from Hoboken.
19:05>> Yeah. I I I think I know some kids who went to school with him actually.
19:09>> I don't know if anyone's funding him.
19:13>> Now, he did just open a club with people that are like a little bit more like on like a Jewish mafia side.
19:18>> A little bit of Israeli mafia.
19:20>> Israeli mafia side, which I've heard some things of that aren't great.
19:25>> Like what? [sighs] >> I just think it was more so I not that I heard it specifically, but it was more like look them up. H >> like um here I could get the name.
19:37[sighs] >> When did you interview him?
19:41>> Right before he shot that alligator.
19:45[laughter] >> He told me like tiptoe maxing and [ __ ] >> Tiptoe maxing.
19:53>> Wait, let me find >> channel reported that.
19:58>> So I >> what what did channel 5 report?
20:00>> That was funding. Yeah.
20:02>> So, was that more of like a conspiratorial type video?
20:06>> Like I think they were a little bit more of a So, that's always been the thought.
20:10>> Um, where is >> there's like a guy like Uncle T or something like that who gives him all these donations >> and and and here's where the thought is.
20:19Peter Teal talks about like transcending, which is dangerously close to ascending the human race and creating like a second digital race and basically like promoting transhumanism ideas and whatever. And I'm just saying here, Jack Mack, if I wanted to hack culture to create that, I would convince an entire generation of men that they got to take [ __ ] 60 million drugs and looks max and not reproduce and [ __ ] castrate themselves and to perpetuate, whatever it is, you know, just to try to keep up with the Joneses and create that standard. I mean the when you listen I I actually feel a as much as I joke about it and
21:01whatever with with clvicular I empathize with the kid and more specifically like I I feel I don't know if this is the right word but like pity for him you know because he's been he clearly is very neurode divergent as you said so he's got he's and I think he was a non-verbal autistic for a couple years when he was when he was a child so like he has some actual rooted health issues and society was able to torture him in such a way that he feels like this is the only way to be able to exist among people. And unfortunately at age 20 he doesn't have he's just out there trying to make money and doing his thing. He
21:41doesn't understand what he's being used for in my opinion. And there's people who would be like he knows damn well always what he's doing. Maybe. But like I think he's just a really dumb [ __ ] young kid and he's been just thrown into this spotlight out of nowhere and I I feel bad for him. Yeah. So he was he's a smart guy um as a lot of nerd diverent people are. He knows I would say like if you IQ tested him it would be very high.
22:11>> You know he's from Hoboken.
22:12>> Yeah. Right. And I think he's just I mean it's a great question. I mean and you have to think about it. We're talking about all these newspapers and college newspapers and I was telling like oh they found that's JD Vans and all that. Yeah. They probably are doing with Tik Toking too. I mean but here's the thing with Collab. I've known about him for a while.
22:33>> When did you first find out about him?
22:35>> Two summers ago.
22:36>> And for people out there a lot of people listening do know who he is cuz he's been astroturfed all over the internet.
22:41For people out there who don't know who he is and what his thing is, can you give a full context on that?
22:45>> So, Clavicular has risen to fame recently for specifically streaming and being a looks maxer. And also the looks maxing is essentially the if you're a looks maxer and you're a guy. It's and it's just essentially just trying to become better looking. But he uses very aggressive techniques. So, um that would be that would be uh like hammering your face to try to break small bones within it and then it regrows and gives you better cheekbones and um jaw feature.
23:19>> That's apparently pseudocience.
23:21>> Yeah, that may be. I don't know if this is I I do not I'm not endorsing this, but this is a guy that was like Yeah, like I think he took like HGH like uh like steroids when he was younger. I don't know if that's confirmed, but this is like what a lot of the looks maxing community is saying. And then you are, especially when you're younger, it's the chance to really like you can do things that you because your body is morphing into what it's going to be. So you can be a lot more aggressive. You can't his thing. I don't know if this is true, but you can't get taller once your growth plates close, of course, but you can be
23:56a little bit more aggressive when you're younger, he says. And like also you can be aggressive with all these drugs, but also it can really [ __ ] up your endocrine system and it can be really really bad.
24:06>> Now he's risen because he's kind of funny in his own way. He he he has this weird way of talking.
24:15>> Yes.
24:15>> Which is terms like jester, which is just clown. Uh gooning, which is was already pretty popular, but like jester maxing. Um looks maxing. Uh, and he adds maxing to the end. Like, we're podcast maxing right now. He went up to a girl once on stream when he was having a [snorts] party and she was sitting alone. He's like, "Oh, are you okay?
24:35You're alone maxing right now." But he says it and so I was talking to him. I was like, "Don't you find the comedy in this?" He was like, "No, anyone that thinks that's funny is retard." And I was like and I I and I was like and I was like, "I don't want to be disrespectful to you." I was like, "Do you really mean I was like, "No, I think that's just how I talk. And anyone that thinks it's funny is is just wrong.
24:57That's just how I talk. And I don't And he says, "I don't get why people clip it and it gets hundreds of millions of views and all of this, but also this is a guy that that's why he's popular." And he's and I've said, "Do you think you've created kind of cuz his whole thing I I asked him. It was very apparent.
25:17You and I are having a conversation right now. We take joy in this conversation." Mhm.
25:20>> I was like, "It feels like you don't take joy in anything."
25:23>> I agree.
25:24>> And he said, he's like, "Yeah, that's just how I'm wired."
25:26>> And then I said, "What gives you joy?"
25:30>> And this is this is crazy. But he said, "Without with," and within a second he said, "Meth."
25:35And [laughter] he I was like, "Are you do you still take meth?" And he's like, "No, not anymore." But I was like, "But that's what fires you up." He's like, "That's what fires me up." And I was like, "What about helping Looks Max?" He's like, "Yeah, but no one really wants to do that anymore." And I said, "Well, do you think you've kind of created this community that doesn't really value anymore?" He's like, "Yeah, that's definitely a possibility just because he has such a big >> I mean, this looks like this is a very this should be a very small community.
26:030.1% of the internet.
26:07>> Now, what are the effects of this?"
26:09>> Dude, I And that's the thing.
26:13>> I was so [ __ ] stupid when I was 20 years old. I was stupid when I was 25.
26:18>> Exactly.
26:19>> You know, so I have always felt bad for these kids at any level of attention when they're thrown into the spotlight and then they have to look stupid in front of the world and then maybe they convince everyone else to be stupid, too. So that's where I empathize with him. But like what, you know, he's 20 now, but he was starting this stuff when he was as as far as I've seen like when he's like 16.
26:42Where where the [ __ ] were his parents?
26:45You know, your kid's in the bathroom.
26:47Your neurode divergent kid, by the way, is in the bathroom hammering his face. I remember I saw clips of him talking about his mom would like try to take away his hammer or whatever.
26:56>> He took away her.
26:56>> But like clearly something's off here.
27:00Maybe get some help.
27:01>> Well, they took him they took away his passports, too, because he wanted to go to Turkey to get double jaw surgery. And double jaw surgery, for those that don't know, would be to like accentuate. But here's the thing. If you if you look up this kid, I mean, the kid is a goodlooking guy already, but he says there's you know how, bro, he's on 12 milligrams of reatide >> of what?
27:23>> The rea it's a peptide.
27:26>> What does this one do?
27:27>> EP uh it's like uh you know how GLP1's it works on one receptor.
27:31>> Then there's like um not Monero, there's another one that works on two receptors.
27:36Rea works on three, but it's a peptide.
27:38It is not approved by the FDA. You get it from China or Mexico. It's gonna my prediction is may someone may be watching this by the time that it gets approved because these pharmaceutical companies like HIMS like um uh Lily all of them there they see bro if you look up Google trends rea gets searched like no other people are obsessed with it so that means they want that to come in RFK Jr. has talked about it on Rogan saying that he's going to get some of them in.
28:05This is all the peptide craze. But here's the thing about Clav. Clav's been around. Clav was a part of this weird thing on the internet called the Cookieverse.
28:14>> Cookieverse. [laughter] >> So this is when I get very just like this is cookie. So there was this weird >> That's why you're here, Jack. Keep cooking.
28:23>> Yeah. So there's this guy and he's still popular online. You can look him up. His name's Cookie King.
28:29big on Tik Tok specifically for kids probably 14 to maybe 21 but usually like a lot of his fans were very young and his name's Cookie King and he created this cookie verse where he had a lot of people that he would just he posts like 20 25 times a day and a lot of them these cookie verses he meets all these people clav was a part of it here's here's the cookie king >> this is real >> and you know Santa Cruz medicinals yes He he does this locked in and he's tried to help. He I would say is a great guy who's older that's not the Peter Teal.
29:08He's helping truly. He's like, "Guys, just go to the gym. You don't have to take all these crazy things. Your hormones are through the [ __ ] roof already. Just go to the gym. You're 18.
29:15You can you can put on all the muscle in the world." And he's he does these locked in events. And he did it with Cookie King once. And he did it and Clav was there. And this is uh this was this past summer. That's when I really got and saw Clav for the first time beyond just kind of some random videos. But looks Maxing became very popular on Tik Tok in 2022 to 2023.
29:36>> And then Clav was kind of doing that and he was already big. There was these forums that exist >> and then he did it on Tik Tok and then he kind of he is what he is now. But he's been around. Do I think he was funded?
29:50My guess is no. But nothing would surprise me.
29:53>> That's what I'm saying, dude. When I look at different ways, Tyler Ala and I were talking about this in episode 363 when he was in here, but like when I look at different ways as to how I would destroy collapse society upon itself, there's there's a hundred maybe a thousand different broad variables you need to do that. This is one of them. No, this is how this is how you destroy when when you start making people destroy who they are as a person >> to try to win the affection and appeal of other people strictly on that metric and then you mainstream that and make that the popular thing so that other
30:32kids who are highly I you know how impressionable I was impressionable when I was 27.
30:36>> I'm impressionable now.
30:38>> Yeah, absolutely. But like on a whole another level and then you look at these 18-year-olds, bro, I was an only child.
30:45that was on an island. Like I was looking around going, "All right, what are we supposed to do?"
30:49>> Like, it it makes me so sad. And it's and it's >> and it's also pushing men and women away from each other. Cuz that's another thing. And I put a tweet out about this, you know, and maybe some of it's maturity and I'm a little older and I've been where I need to be and I know what I want in women, but like when you look at all these women that he's hanging out with and [ __ ] and glorifying and to be fair, >> you know what he does? What does he do?
31:15>> All of those women are like a lot of them are her his only fans models and he makes money off of them. So it's like it's like the internet pimp in its own way.
31:23>> You're making my point for [snorts] me.
31:26He when you see what is now being glorified, all these girls are like the most pro I was going to say the most prototypical club girls. Well, now you're telling me they're even like [ __ ] Only Fans models. And like just getting back to our basic evolution, when I see these clips of these women, they do not possess a single trait that you look for in a mother of your child. Not one.
31:48>> Yeah.
31:49>> Not one.
31:50>> Yeah. He But here's the thing. I don't think he thinks about it like that.
31:55>> Of course he doesn't. That's the point.
31:58I what would go if I was to make a case for why he's not what he is or not funded is his PR guy was this guy by the name of Mitchell Jackson. Mitchell Jackson runs and this was a infamous tweet. He runs like the Arkham um jail. What's the Arkham [snorts] Asylum?
32:20>> I saw that tweet.
32:21>> He's he runs an Arkham Asylum of people.
32:24He runs I if you look up Arkham Asylum Mitchell Jackson tweet you should see who's his PR people. This guy's the nicest guy in the world. I love this guy Mitchell Jackson. But I'm going to show you his list of people that he represents. He res represents the Arkham Asylum. Kansas Owens.
32:40>> Yeah. I got to see this if we can use He's going back and forth. We can use the camera too a little more >> if that's good. Yeah. I want to see what you're talking about here. I'm not familiar with this.
32:49>> Yeah. So Mitchell Jackson, but he dropped him recently. Mitchell did >> drop because he was concerned about his drug usage.
32:56>> Mitchell is not >> Look up Mitchell Jackson.
32:59>> Type in Jackson >> on Google. If you look it up on Google, if you just type in Mitchell Jackson Arkham Asylum, the first tweet will pop up because I looked it up, I think literally yesterday.
33:14>> All right, we got it.
33:16So, bro is running Archamaz described quote unquote interloper. The 33-year-old PR pro is accustomed to working behind the scenes on behalf of high-profile and que and frequently [ __ ] stirring clients such as Candace Owens, Brett Cooper, Adam Freeland, Caroline Callaway, and Adam22. quote, "I gravitate towards clientele that have something to say because otherwise I'd be bored." Jackson tells me, adding, "Oh, this is from Taylor Lorent."
33:46>> So, Taylor, I I also uh interviewed Taylor Lawrence.
33:49>> Wait, is he at an agency or is he just a PR guy?
33:52>> PR just a PR guy. This is not like a CIA guy or something like that. Okay.
33:56>> Now, maybe Mitchell Jackson is [ __ ] bought off. You never know. But Mitchell Jackson, and here's the thing. When I interviewed Clav, I got asked, they asked the company. I was like, I'll do it. And then I showed up and do it.
34:07>> And then I showed up.
34:09>> He showed up like [snorts] Collab was still sleeping and then Mitchell showed up. He had like a he got he showed up with food he was eating and we were just shooting this [ __ ] He's like, "Yeah, Collab will be up in a few minutes." And then he >> Did you have to pay for it?
34:21>> No.
34:22>> Interesting. And then I I think some people have, but they asked like and this was when he was doing this 30-day stream uh where he ended up eventually getting arrested. But he but in the midst of it, they needed stuff to do. And that was when I was the day after two days after Andrew Callahan interviewed him and CLAB ended the interview early >> and >> Mitchell was like, "Oh, could you just not do it about politics?" And I said, "Yeah, I I don't really want to talk to him about it. I know like you could definitely talk to him about all I mean he was a part of an international incident with Andrew Tate and uh Nick
34:57Fuentes when they played Hail in the club.
34:59>> Oh yeah.
35:00>> And so but I was I don't really I would rather talk to him about >> I'd rather talk to him about his uh like I want to get inside the mind of what makes him tick and I want to talk about the looks maxing stuff. And >> I mean I the saddest part was when he's like yeah I was like does anything fire you up? Not really meth, which is kind of sad.
35:21>> That's so sad, man.
35:22>> But Mitchell Jackson dropped him and he said, "You need to get help and I won't return to helping you until it's very funny cuz Mitchell Jackson, he's this uh centric gay man. He's he's just ve he's he's he's a very there's he is he is, you know, he's gay and he uh his relationship with Clav's pretty funny.
35:41It's like Clav is this gay PR person, but Clav really liked him." And ever since Mitchell said, "You have to get sober." Clav has claimed he's been sober.
35:50>> Claimed.
35:51>> Yeah. I mean, I >> What did he do? He just like ODed on a stream or something.
35:55>> Yeah, but he was he takes these like beta blockers and then he adds alcohol in the mix and then he adds a bunch of other [ __ ] Boy, he he >> he's not Isn't he 20? He's not even drinking age. He just turned 21. Okay.
36:08>> That is [ __ ] >> turn.
36:11>> Zizz. Okay. So yeah, he's the kind of the original OG Looksmaxer YouTube like remember Rich Pyiana.
36:18>> I missed this.
36:19>> Rich Pyiana show me a picture of Rich Pyiana. Sometimes the names don't do it for me.
36:24>> He was like eight hour dumbbell session.
36:27>> You'll recognize this guy. This guy was OG internet legend.
36:30>> Oh yeah yeah yeah.
36:31>> He unfortunately died. Rest in peace to him. I loved his videos. He was so funny.
36:36>> What?
36:37>> Died in clear water.
36:39>> Yeah. Rich Payne, a 5% nutrition. He was unbelievable. But Zizz, uh, he was huge.
36:45Clav's kind of like him, too. But then there was another guy, I forget his name. Do you see Do you see this ending?
36:51Not tragically.
36:52>> Well, they they both >> I know. I know. That's what I'm saying.
36:55Do for do you see and and like I don't mean to be morbid around here. I wish Clavvicular nothing but the best and I hope he comes off all this [ __ ] he's doing. But like do you think we are sitting here 5 years from now talking about someone who is still alive?
37:10Yeah, you do. You think he'll live the next 5 years? I think he's so neurode divergent that if he gets help from off of drugs, he's so focused in a way that is could be valuable for him.
37:27He doesn't like going out. That's why he took drugs is why he told me. But he kind of has this weird >> kind of bad feedback loop where good content for him is being out in public.
37:41>> Mhm.
37:42>> He said he's a guy that he's told me and when we were interviewing he's like he's a guy that could go and be in his house for two weeks and not talk to a [ __ ] single person and he wouldn't it wouldn't it matter to him.
37:53>> Yep.
37:54>> Maybe he'll talk to people online but not really. But he's a guy that and he says the reason that I take these drugs is because literally the day that I I interviewed him, he tried to go out to a club that night without any drugs and he had a panic attack.
38:08>> Yeah.
38:09>> So it's it is that's the sad part for the I feel bad for the >> but then he has this bad feedback loop where it's like the content that my people want is not me talking about looks maxing but want me to go out to the club and be mean to like a like a blonde chick. You know, >> let me tell you something, man. I don't know anything about the type of content he does. I don't know anything about the streaming world or the instantaneous reaction like that. So, I have to speak from a separate address here, if you will. But if you fall into that trap of just giving what you think I won't even call it people, what you think the
38:43algorithm wants at all times, you will completely lose yourself. And this is where I give myself a little bit of grace for maybe starting later than I should have. In the years when I was trying to find myself and figure out what I wanted to do with my life when I should have had the answers in front of me, one of the things I did, unbeknownst to me, this was going to be useful is I watched people online and across all different >> sectors and how they would change and what would change them and what the crowd would do to them and how they would react and how they would live through it. And there were so many
39:18valuable, it's not to say I'm perfect by any stretch, but there were so many valuable lessons I learned before I ever even bought a [ __ ] camera that I had all these examples of like, ooh, remember when that guy did that thing cuz he thought that was going to be Don't do that.
39:32>> Yeah. And you want to be really, you want to be very careful, >> especially about just >> Yeah. Just be yourself. And also, >> it happens in a lot of different ways.
39:43It can happen with you the fame becomes too much or you try to seek out something that you think's owed to you >> where it's like oh I have this amount of views followers I should be this that or the other and then also there's a lot of people that >> if you can't take like you need to be able you have to have a weird thick skin in a way that I think there's I know people that have thick skin but they can't take criticism online and It kills them all.
40:15>> I've kind of I'm like beyond past that.
40:18I'm kind of But I still have it like you're a human. You hear things and you you don't want to you don't want to. But the person that can kind of just continue on and not but there's a lot of people that just the criticism eats them alive. I've seen it happen and they just are never the same. And maybe that's good for them. Maybe that wasn't it wasn't the internet wasn't for them in their own way. And then people change a lot. And >> you have to be willing to accept it, man.
40:43>> And also, I think there has to be a grace for yourself that is I'm going to figure it out. But it's tough. I mean, I'm still like I I I spend so much of my time feeling like I haven't figured it out. That and that's probably that's the catastrophizing and the spiraling which isn't valuable for the day's tasks.
41:04>> That part's not valuable. But the idea that you you are operating under the assumption at all times that your [ __ ] does stink.
41:12>> Yeah.
41:13>> Is a huge asset. Now spiraling, I agree.
41:16You got to find that middle ground. But like the alternative of like, I can't do [ __ ] wrong, [ __ ] You're done.
41:22>> Done.
41:22>> When you do that, like there was an old quote, ironically, from Conor McGregor, who ended up living this in the long way, where he goes, "People get comfortable with a win. They get real comfortable with a win. And when you get comfortable with a win, that's how you get a loss.
41:37>> You know what's so interesting, and this is probably why I like MMA UFC so much.
41:41I also heard from somebody, I don't know if it was this guy, but I think it was Kamar Usman. He said he lost two or three in a row for the first time in like ever. And he said it's easy. You can get used to losing.
41:56>> So, it's also both sides. It's so funny how life is just both sides. But McGregor, I watch old McGregor clips.
42:03I'm like, this guy was the one.
42:05>> He was the one.
42:07>> He was in a way that he he was going to lose and like he was going to lose to guys like Khabib. But Habib, he even handled Habib pretty well. He he took a round off him before he got finished, which is insane to say. He could have went back to the lap.
42:23He was there. He was alive. There was a time where he would have the money. We lost the McGregor and he could have been it like a movie like >> Yeah.
42:35>> And even if it wasn't now it's just it's it's sad. I mean the drugs got him.
42:39>> Yeah.
42:40>> And I think he's a little bit better now but it's just it it we lost we lost a prime of his.
42:45>> He went on a run that is unlike >> It doesn't happen a lot. There won't be and I say this a lot. I talk about MMA and UFC. We'll never see another Conor McGregor >> once. I think what did it, I've said this for a long time, was [snorts] the Mayweather fight. He went eight rounds with a still brilliant Floyd Mayweather, the best boxer in the world, the greatest defensive boxer probably of defensively of all time.
43:10>> Yeah.
43:11>> And, you know, made [ __ ] $60 million in one fell swoop. And it was like, how do you top that? It's it's like it would be like [ __ ] what's a really good example here? Like Patrick Mahomes deciding to play in the NBA one day and dropping 35. They don't win, but he drops 35 in a game where he's lined up against prime LeBron and Durant, right? Like that's what he pulled off. And it's almost like that old Haggler quote where he's like, >> "It's really hard to get up at 4:00 a.m.
43:46and work when you're sleeping in silk pajamas." He got into the silk pajamas and he couldn't recreate that.
43:52>> You know, I was out there with the plumbers and my friend, you know, I was making nothing. So the only and I think what also contributed to it was he had this rivalry right after it with Habib that was happening throughout >> that brought out that instinctual kind of warfare that uh every man kind of has and then once it was over like he had it against Dustin but then Dustin knocks him out and then he fights Dustin again. Dustin's beat him up. his leg his leg his leg is and then he's just then he's then he's finished like but even >> even then I don't think he wasn't like he was >> and also it was it was it was such a
44:34unique I mean he came from a place that it wasn't like he came from this family or gym that was known for iconic like there's guys so right now one of the best fighters in the world I'd argue probably best Islam Makachev >> he he come like he he was trained by Habib's father. Um, he's he's was in Hhabib's gym, best friends with Habib.
44:56We've been hearing about him for forever. McGregor came onto the scene.
44:58No one knew who the [ __ ] he was.
45:00>> He was fighting at Ireland. Never had anything from an MMA perspective. They had some great fight uh boxers throughout the years, but MMA made the [ __ ] up. And also, >> he had he had this innate ability to turn people's lights off in a way that not a lot of people have. It's a gift.
45:19But it's not like he was an athletic freak, dude.
45:22>> No, he was up here.
45:23>> Yeah.
45:23>> He had it. That was just And you know what? Have you ever Cuz like I By the way, I was really humbled. You were telling me before camera like you've listened to the show for a long time.
45:32That's always wild to me when that's the case. But have you ever heard me talk about the I amu theory >> that Charlie Rocket came up with?
45:39[clears throat] >> Possibly. Continue on.
45:41>> Yeah. So sorry to people who have heard this before, but I I ended up having Charlie in here. He's a friend now.
45:46awesome [ __ ] dude for episode 352.
45:49One of my favorite podcasts of all time.
45:50But Charlie had this theory called the I amu theory that he came up with about seven years ago. And I it was at the beginning of 2019, end of 2018. And I remember seeing it and I remember just being like, "Oh my god, oh my god, this guy just figured out life." Like I I never have that reaction to something, but it made sense. And basically >> he sat down one day and he and he was just curious. If you know Charlie at all, he is exactly what you see on camera. He is genuinely the most curious like I want to wonder about that question right there. Let's find out kind of guy. And he goes, I wonder who
46:26the highest grossing by revenue superhero of all time is. That's comics, movies, TV, everything in between. And he's thinking it's going to be Batman or Superman or something like that. And to his surprise, it was Spider-Man. He's like, that's interesting. Spider-Man's the one whose face you can't see. He's not particularly good-looking. Doesn't have a chiseled chin. Came from like a lower middle class background. Parents were dead. Wanted the girl. Couldn't get the girl.
46:52>> Had a weird talent. Wasn't flying through the air. He was He was a [ __ ] spite.
46:57>> That's interesting. He was relatable, though.
47:00>> Okay.
47:01>> What is the biggest religion by following in the world?
47:05All right. Christianity. All right.
47:07Who's the hero of Christianity? Jesus Christ.
47:10This was a carpenter. He didn't wear, you know, in a time where you could have worn goldplated armor and come in on a white horse, you know, as the god king, if you will, and everyone would have bowed down to you. He didn't do that. He wore regular clothes, as I said, was a carpenter, a basic, you know, working man's kind of about Muhammad as well, >> for sure. Yeah. This just happened to be the one with >> I know, I know, I know. Yeah. Yeah.
47:35Yeah. But it's like very similar. Like it's just like there and and Muhammad was a guy that fought in battles. It's like it was like I like with everybody.
47:43Yeah, >> that's right. And he went around and instead of having, you know, >> all these [ __ ] armies following him, he had 12 friends and then sometimes he would give a sermon and, >> you know, he was just kind of he hung out with poor people. He was like the average person. So he goes, "All right, if this can work with a corporation, we're really on to something." He goes, "What is the most famous corporation of all time?" And he goes, "Holy [ __ ] it's Apple. Everyone's got this in their hands. Who founded Apple? Steve Jobs.
48:13First corporate guy to say, "Fuck the suit." He looked like your dad. In a time where people were coming up with technology and naming things and Spyron 6000 or Xen 4500, he named his products Lisa, iPod, iPhone. He named the products after you. And he goes, "Holy shit." this whole time where we're living in this culture where Instagram comes up and social media comes up and the paradigm becomes, "Oh my god, I'm not like you. I'm not like you. I'm not like you. I'm better than you. I'm above you. I'm clvicular. I'm ascending or whatever." The people that we actually most relate to, forget all the clicks.
48:47Forget all the things where people run short term. The people we relate to over the long time are the people that are just like us. So, what about sports? And he goes, "All right, LeBron James is amazing." And at the time, Kobe was alive. And he's like, Kobe's amazing and they're beloved. No doubt about it. And think about Kobe before he died where like, you know, it's an extra level legend after he dies. But he's like, the athlete that is unlike that has transcended everyone is Michael Jordan.
49:14And yes, Michael Jordan now is a reclusive billionaire, but think about when Michael Jordan was coming up through his career and his rise. He was cut from his high school basketball team. He was the scrawny kid that wouldn't get a shot. Then he gets to UNCC, wins a title, does all these amazing things, grows into his body, and they say, "Bitch, we're still going to draft Sam Buoie above you." Comes into the NBA, they ignore him, ignore him, ignore him over and over again, and then he can't get over the top. Finally gets over the top in year seven, wins the title, wins three in a row, loses his dad, tragically, throws his life away,
49:45goes and plays baseball, makes an idiot of himself in front of the world to some people because he wasn't as good at it as B at basketball. comes back, wins all these titles and everything. Had the song cuz I'm like you. He's like me and you know what? I want to be like Mike.
50:01Like he had that thing, that passion.
50:03He's like everything, sports, religion, corporations, [ __ ] superheroes, people over time are going to go to the people that they most relate to. And that's why when you're marketing to people, and it you shouldn't even think about it from like a marketing perspective, but he's saying in general, speak to people like you are just like them, not like you are above them. M >> and I think we have gotten to a point where we have sold society a lie that for some reason we have to be better than people or this different thing and it ends up creating all those tentacles we talked about earlier when people come
50:36around in headsets so you feel more important and it's like the thing that makes things special or the fact that something like this starts with a backwards hat in your parents house and you got to keep that energy >> and I mean even to go off of that I mean kind of how Trump won is that yeah >> 100% And even though but that's the craziest part about him is he he was born with the golden spoon New York real estate all of that but he was he somehow related to that because he talk like them.
51:02>> What did he do?
51:03>> He put on the hard hat and he walked into West Virginia and said I [ __ ] with you.
51:06>> You [ __ ] with you all. You're like you guys got [ __ ] Yeah. And they I think that's something that a lot of the politicians need to think about in ways that like obviously Trump has taken multiple wrong steps, but how do you do it a little bit like him and do it the right way? Yes, >> because even though you think of it, and I would even say Obama did it, too. Obama had the Oh, I would love to have a beer with him. I may disagree with him politically, but he's a guy that I could have a conversation with. You don't have that with Tim Walls. You don't have that with Kamala. You don't have that with um like
51:41you didn't have that with Mitt Romney.
51:43You didn't have that like and like George Bush a little bit too. Even George Bush seems like a guy that even though like I don't know if I would have a beer with him but he did have that like and [ __ ] it like and now watch this drive like like where have so but the relatability and I was going to say what is everyone's favorite NBA story of the 21st century >> NBA story.
52:06>> NBA I'm going to say it and you're going to be like yeah what was the one that transcended the NBA more than anything else >> of the 21st century recently? Yeah.
52:16Yeah. Yeah. It happened. Yeah. I would even say it was past 15. Yeah. Past 15 years. It's going to hit you. What is the best story of >> the Warriors?
52:24>> No. Jeremy Lynn.
52:27>> It was shortlived. But yeah, >> that is that it was short. You're right.
52:32I would say you're right. You're right.
52:33>> But even like Steph Curry is more like you and I than LeBron.
52:37>> Guess to Jeremy Lynn, but you are right.
52:38I see exactly what you're saying.
52:40>> That That's who Connor We started this tangent though. That's who Connor was.
52:45Connor was the son of of workingclass Irish people who then had to work as a plumber for 18 hours a day and commute an hour to work over these bumbling hills who had nothing and would train with every amount of energy he had left at night. And he had the girl who stood by him and [ __ ] when he had nothing would sleep on the floor with him and built himself up and came out of nowhere and he was that dude. And then it's like when he crossed that Mayweather Rubicon, suddenly he became, I'm not like you.
53:16I'm this thing. And he lost the whole magic of what put him there in the first place. And that is a lesson.
53:23>> One of my favorite sports moments ever is he took over like the MMA world. And Joseé Aldo was this unstoppable force. No one thought anyone could beat him. He knocked him out in 15 seconds with what he predicted. I saw his left hand. It twitched.
53:49Like you can't Yeah. Unreal. You can't And I talk about it gives you chills. I remember where I was when I watched it and it's just like, "Holy [ __ ] he did it." And it does. It wasn't even like there's always been great moments where there's been upsets and all that. It wasn't really even an upset because they were very well matched. No one thought they could beat he could beat Jose Aldo, but people did to an extent. No one thought anyone would beat Aldo and he knocked him out in 15 seconds and he was bigger than life and then it just lost him. Yeah. No, it's it's sad.
54:15It's it's you have to but that's got to be hard when you you own a Maybach a Mayback yacht. Um where you want to you own a How do you relate with the regular person?
54:27>> I like my Honda. I like my flip flops.
54:30>> Yeah.
54:31>> But maybe >> I like my chicken cooked in bulk.
54:33>> Well, maybe that's the key.
54:35>> That's the key, man. and don't lose it.
54:37>> And also like a lot of these people that end up a little bit more than that.
54:40Don't get me wrong, everyone wants to elevate, but a lot of people there's a lot of people that >> doesn't make them happy.
54:46>> And also, you see their their their kids, too.
54:49>> That's right.
54:49>> I went to boarding school.
54:51>> You went to boarding where'd you go?
54:52>> Kent school.
54:54>> Where's that?
54:55>> Kent, Connecticut. It's probably 15 20 minutes outside Pikipsy.
54:59>> So, it's up on like near the Hudson. uh uh right on the border of upstate New York and Connecticut. I just saw a lot of people parents were there had everything. Now don't get me wrong, I'm incredibly lucky, but there it was a different level, >> right?
55:17And there's a lot of people that had every advantage in the world, could never get it together to this day. There was people that like I before I went to boarding school, I went to another school, very similar, not as privileged, but privileged people. and they were 98% of people also graduated college. I went to a school with like it's more pre more prestige, more money, more everything. A lot of people never got through college.
55:43There's a lot of people like and it's just because and it's goes back to like what I said like my parents are my Yeah. It's like if I like that's that's why I was like and that's kind of what I was talking about earlier where we were talk discussing the the videos and Tik Tok and all that. It's like I kind of just got lucky.
56:01But and that's the same thing with my parents and it it happens and you kind of see these people that go to get kind of lost in the sauce literally and figuratively and like they kind of just lose it.
56:12>> Yes.
56:13>> But there are people that can do both.
56:16There's a lot of people that have done >> both. Yeah. I I don't want by the way I don't want to vilify how people make decisions and stuff like that. What I am vilifying is the people who do it strictly to be able to say they do it to hold something over other people. The people I always identified with the most are the people that I would meet, have a three-hour conversation with them about life, not know what they did, and later find out they were like that.
56:37>> Yeah.
56:38>> And have and you know, they didn't walk in Rolex this and chain. I [ __ ] love that, bro.
56:43>> Well, that uh Kira story with how he was talking with Elon Musk and he didn't even realize it. It kind of But now Elon's his own thing. We discussed about Elon forever, but I mean Elon at his core is obsessed with the idea of space and kind of technology and he'll die with that.
57:00>> That's right.
57:01>> So that's why I kind of think like maybe Clavvicular can work it out because there is that Elon that like but it's looks maxing. It's a little bit different.
57:09>> You compare Elon most to Clvicular. Oh, they're going to love that in the comments.
57:14[laughter] >> Deep's like, "Yeah, I would do it too."
57:20No, you but it >> No, it's just like I but that's what I taken.
57:23>> But you know what the that's what popped into my head now. That's probably why sometimes like it's sometimes I'll say stuff and I'll do these videos and like it's kind of silly in theory clvicular to Elon Musk, but it is kind of like that conversation. That's my goal. It's like you're having the conversation and like if the video is good enough and you're explaining something or talking about something, but the ones that work the best are where they where and that's why >> and that's why some of them work and some of them don't. But no, it's it's a Yeah. And I even think about it and I think it's like if you had all this more
57:55money, like what would really change?
57:57Life would get a little bit easier, quote unquote. But like the best thing that you could probably do is like it would be sick if you had a house, a private chef, a nice gym at home, >> and then the ability to be able to travel or go anywhere you want whenever.
58:12Now that's insane amount of money. But [laughter] but if I had to say it that but after that I'd be like like I don't know like I don't mean you like how many places of like houses can you own?
58:27>> I that's I I don't under you know I >> do you really need one in California, Texas, New York? No. And then on Long Island and then in Florida is do you re I don't I don't know. But maybe you have so much money you have to park that money somewhere >> maybe. But like my whole thing is there there's things that I over time I would have said at some point like oh I regret being there instead of knowing I should have been here or whatever. And then I realize and get the grace of like whoa look what I was able to learn because I went into the wrong thing, right? Like I came out of college I'm like well I got to get a job and I got a
59:02[ __ ] job on Wall Street. That was not a fit for me at all. Love the people I work with. didn't like the work, but it taught me so much about life because I was helping manage the money for like the ultra people that had I would make one [ __ ] trade and it would be more money than I have ever seen in my life like at any point ever. And I got to learn I don't want to make it all sound like it was bad examples. I saw good examples too of people who had a lot of money and you'd never knew it know it and they were happy as could be. Their family was happy as could be. The next generations were doing their own things
59:39and had purpose. And then I would see the opposite examples of the quote unquote mo money, mo problems, invented problems. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below.
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