Jimmy Dore: Charlie Kirk’s Murder, Thomas Massie & Finding God Through the Propaganda Hellscape

0:04Jimmy Dore, thank you for doing this. My pleasure, thanks for having me.

0:08So, it seemed to me, so much is happening, it's hard to get perspective on any of it, but it does feel like Thomas Massie's loss in the primary in Kentucky two weeks ago was like a kind of pivot point in American politics.

0:22What was your response to it?

0:24Well, my response to it was how dare we, you know, tell preach democracy around the world and tell people that the people in China are oppressed when we obviously don't have democracy here, right?

0:35This is the come a complete we just gave up.

0:40And and so now it's the oligarchs, as I was telling you before, you know it just proof that we don't live in a democracy. You know, they did that Princeton study 2015 about how it doesn't the 90 percent of people their wishes never are expressed in legislation and it's only the top 10 percent of the wealthy people and There's a direct correlation at 50 percent of The wealthy people want something 50 percent at the time It happens, you know, and so but the bottom doesn't matter You're your vote that literally doesn't and we're living in that and so, you Know I was telling before in in in China the government sits above

1:17capital.

1:18Yes, and So the economy works for the people But in the United States, capital is above the government.

1:24And so the economy doesn't work for the people.

1:27It works for a handful of international globalist billionaires, which is why we have homelessness everywhere.

1:32We have the biggest prison population in the world.

1:35And, you know, we still get go bankrupt just to get educated.

1:39You get bankrupt when you get sick.

1:41And like I say is that we're like, and we live in a surveillance state. And so we were like China, except we have more street crime and slower trains.

1:49No!

1:50And we get lectured constantly in the most self-righteous way by the worst people.

1:55Um, it, it's a hard jump for your average right-winger, me, for example, to accept the fact that corporations are even more malicious than government.

2:09Way more.

2:11You know, I, I think that's, I'm coming around to that just because the evidence is overwhelming, but I do think there's like a training that takes place.

2:18Where you just have someone point to Soviet Poland and you're like, that's the option to what we have.

2:23And you're, like, I don't want that.

2:25I don't like potatoes.

2:26You know what I mean? Bad architecture, grim weather.

2:30But I kind of believe that.

2:33Uh, you believe that that's the opposite?

2:35That was the option.

2:36So either you have like Google runs everything and they do it in Technicolor and it's like free and it' great or the state runs everything and it is Soviet Poland.

2:49And so like I do think the average right winger, or again I'll speak for myself.

2:55It's like hard to accept that you wanna live in a system where billionaires don't control everything. Like that's not good.

3:02That's not good. Look around, this is the system we're living in, and you know, corporations, there's no long-term planning, right?

3:10At least in China they have long- term planning, which is why they get to have flying cars and great infrastructure and beautiful bridges that make their own waterfalls and own rainbows, stuff like that. It's just amazing.

3:23Because Because they don't.

3:24And corporations only care about quarterly profits, so they don't care if the whole company crashes as long as they can show a profit in the quarter.

3:33I think that's right.

3:34And that's the problem.

3:35There's no long-term planning in America, and that's why and you know, I also have a firm belief that Like in California, they spent 24 billion dollars to try to fix homelessness and none of it.

3:47It just got worse and You know, i think you've talked about this that it seems planned because it probably is that they want us To live in this kind of hellscape So we beg for authoritarian solutions to these problems and that's right.

4:01That's what they're doing, right?

4:02So, you know it all started with 9-eleven. They had the Patriot Act already written before 9-11, right So they they and and and as Edward Snowden revealed that you know, they're collecting Every text every phone call every email you make anyway, so we live in her since and then it's just getting more flock cameras It's like what you said to Kevin O'Leary.

4:21It's liked that. Oh, they were there to help find crime Really?

4:24It's crime rates going down.

4:25Are they?

4:27No, no, so yeah, this is what happens and Thomas Massey I mean a guy who won almost unanimously and then he his positions didn't change but then all of a sudden he loses and loses big right lost by 10 points so and it just and it was all propaganda and lies and who knows if they also Fiddled with the vote, you know, I why would you put that past them?

4:54Why of course they would the people who slaughter people for profit, which is what been the last 25 years Since 9-eleven just slaughtering people for prophet.

5:04They wouldn't rig an election.

5:05Of course, they would of course If it's important enough to murder people, it's important enough to take over electronic voting machines, of course.

5:14And by the way, that's the one thing you're not allowed to say.

5:17So that's always a tip.

5:20Before 2020, the Democrats used to scream about the...

5:22Will I remember?

5:23But I have video after video I show on my show about the Democrats saying how Easily hacked these electronic voting machines are and then there was a day you can't say it anymore Right just like you used to be able to criticize big pharma And then there is a day.

5:36You got you can do it anymore, right remember and so Yeah, of course those people would would rig elections.

5:43I mean they The people who did building seven wouldn't wouldn't rig it No, it's just, you're total, people risk their lives to rob liquor stores.

5:53So right, a lot's at stake.

5:54But I kind of wonder like, why do we have electronic voting machines that are not faster?

6:00You don't get to vote faster.

6:01Right?

6:02Takes forever.

6:03It takes forever.

6:04So what is the purpose?

6:06What's the utility?

6:06Why do we still have them?

6:07Why not just, I don't know, give a thumb print like they do in civilized countries like Malawi.

6:13Control why I mean that's the obvious right the easiest answer right it's easier to control the vote I anyway it's a we don't again we don't live in a democracy none there's always the people who say well Jimmy we don't live in a mind we live in an constitutional republic right the people will say that which is true of course Uh, but that is, that is a form of democracy.

6:34So I always have to tell people that as a form of democracy, you don't have direct democracy because majority rules, uh, is a bad thing.

6:41You have to have a constitution which protects the right of the minority in case when you have a, you know, tyranny of the majority, which is what we had during COVID.

6:49Yeah.

6:51Good point.

6:53But in both a direct democracy and a constitutional republic, the core idea is the same, which is the people rule.

7:02It's their country.

7:03It belongs to them.

7:04Yeah.

7:06Good. And if you believe that I've got a vaccine, I'd like to sell you.

7:12So now, I guess my- I mean, right now we're having a governor's race in California.

7:17And so they have what's called a jungle primary.

7:20Do you know what that is, right?

7:21Sort of. Tell me.

7:22So instead of Democrats and Republicans having their own primary, they have one big primary.

7:28Everybody's in it, including independents, including no-party preference people.

7:32And the top two vote-getters then face off in- And so that's to make sure that it's just Democrats.

7:38So that's what that is, because we have one party rule in California, and if you think that's good, go to California and see how it's working out.

7:47And so they have a jungle primary, and so Democrats are so unpopular now, even in California, that they're afraid that a Republican or two Republicans might, because the Democrats might split the vote, and then two Republicans sneak in, and they asked Governor Newsom, And they said, what if that happens?

8:07And he said, well, we have a plan.

8:09We have a break the glass plan, meaning, you know, an emergency break the glass.

8:14So he's like, he's literally saying, don't worry, that we're not going to allow democracy to work.

8:17We're not going to if the vote doesn't go the way we want, we have a Break the Glass moment and we're going to fix that.

8:22He said that out loud. He said out loud and, you know, just like when he pays no price for this, just like when, he said.

8:31So in California, like I said, they Spent 24 billion dollars to fix homelessness.

8:36Homelessness got worse.

8:38And so, unanimously, the legislature passed a bill saying, hey, let's have transparency on how that money was spent.

8:47Passed unanimously, Gavin Newsom vetoed it.

8:51He'd paid no political price for that. Nobody even brings it up.

8:56And so that's what we're, and again, the one-party rule is, again, it's like we're in California, we're like China, but with more street crime and slower trains.

9:05Will it change?

9:09I hate to be a pessimist, but no, I don't see it changing.

9:13You know, you talk to people, my friend lives in the Pacific Palisades, her house did not burn down, and they're having a vote for mayor, and she was asking this guy who was standing there in a burned out property, and then, who are you gonna vote for for mayor? And he's like, you know, whoever the Democrats say, that was almost a direct quote.

9:34And so they don't.

9:35You know, just like when the fires happen, I talk to my neighbors, they go, well, Jimmy, there's nothing they can do.

9:41And then of course there's a million things they could do.

9:43There's nothing that they could.

9:44And I go, did you know that there was a reservoir above the Pacific Palisades that holds 113 million gallons of water?

9:50They drained it before the fire.

9:52Did you know?

9:53They go, yeah, but that wouldn't have helped.

9:56Like, this is just a direct quote.

9:57I guess she didn't go to firefighting school because water is like the number one thing.

10:00Hahahaha And so that's their mentality.

10:05So this whole idea, you know, half the country thinks, oh, their party is better than the other party.

10:12And it's like, oh, there's one party that's obviously better than other party, really?

10:17I wonder if this is a trap.

10:20How could this be used against us?

10:22And that's exactly what it is, right? Just like George Carlin said, you get 40 different brands of cereal, breakfast cereal, you get two political parties.

10:30And it's used against it, at least in China, people can hold their politicians accountable because they've got no other party to blame, so when something goes wrong.

10:37And if you look at the polls, they're way more happy with their government in China than we are in our country.

10:44Everyone senses that young people in this country struggle with loneliness, but few people understand the cause of it.

10:50Here it is.

10:51The population has been trained to look for peace in places where there is no peace.

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11:48It does seem like the reason I asked, will it change?

11:51Cause it does seem like it can't continue like this.

11:55So it's.

11:55Well, the only, so what I said after Thomas Massey was that, you know, the last time that the establishment was this unresponsive to its citizens, George Washington picked up a gun and started shooting people.

12:10Well, that's right.

12:11And I'm not advocating violence, obviously.

12:15But what we need to do, and the truckers in Canada during COVID laid a template for which is why they overreacted to them so hard, because they knew they didn't want them, just like when Joe Biden crushed that railroad strike, they had to do that because that would have showed everybody the power of workers, because the railroad is the backbone of capitalism, and if you shut that down, it shuts down, and the oligarchs get hurt, right?

12:40And so they had stop that, they made it illegal for them to go on strike.

12:46And so what I said is that after Thomas Massey is that, We need to have, what if all the railroad workers just didn't show up for work for a week or so?

12:57What if the port workers didn't show up? What of all the truck drivers didn't show up and then they went and they occupied Wall Street, which is why Occupy Wall Street scared the hell out of them.

13:09And because that was the left and the right, so you had the Tea Party upset about the banks.

13:12You had the left progressives upset about the banks, they had a common interest. Because that's the thing they don't want you to know, is that we actually have a common interests.

13:20They want you keep turning against your neighbor, like your neighbor's the problem. And your neighbor is not your problem, your neighbor suffering under the same oligarchy that you're suffering under.

13:29And they don't want you realize that you have shared interests, and that we can work on the other stuff later, but we gotta come together to stop these WEF globalist billionaires that actually run and dictate our lives.

13:40And so that's what I'm saying is that we need to have, you know, for the grocery store workers, all the UPS, all the Amazon, if they and if a couple of them did it together, it would show the power of the workers that we actually can take and that you have to have a protest when you have a protest, you have have a demand.

13:57So that's why you know those uh...

13:59No king's marches right or protest those are cyops and worse how do you know they're sad because there's no demand You have to have a demand, a concrete demand. And so if the workers shut down, if the railroad workers, port workers, truck drivers, if they shut down they have a demands. Demand is no outside money in elections.

14:18We have publicly funded elections.

14:20We have an election cycle that's six weeks instead of two years.

14:24And you can't have corporate money, you can have any of that stuff. It has to be publicly funded.

14:30And people say, who's gonna pay for that? Well, it costs us trillions of dollars every year because we have corporations funding our elections.

14:35It would save us trillions of dollars and we'd have a more responsive democracy if we had publicly funded elections So that would be my demand That's so you gotta have, you can have a protest, you gotta to have a demand.

14:46And when you see a protest without a demand, that's how you know it's a PSYOP. That's how, you know, it's to bring people back into the two party duopoly and hating each other.

14:56It seems like if you're going to try to compel someone to do something he doesn't want to do, you have to do something he really doesn't want you to do.

15:05So like the Occupy Wall Street, which I, especially in retrospect, we needed that.

15:11But the tactic was like have a protest.

15:14They don't care about your protest.

15:17What they do care about is money.

15:19Why has no one ever organized millions of Americans to say stop paying their credit card bills or stop paying your student loans?

15:27Why are people paying student loans, I don't understand that.

15:31It seems like that might get the attention of the people in charge.

15:35Yeah, well, that's that certainly would. And you know how they, you know, Michael Prenti, who died recently, and he was he was a real friend of the working man.

15:46And he said, you know, the the the oligarchs, they don't care about if you have health care.

15:51They don't care about it if you can afford a house.

15:54They don't care if you have to go bankrupt getting an education.

15:57The only thing they actually do care about is what you think.

16:00That's actually what they care about. That's it. That's smart.

16:02And that's why they spend all this money on propaganda.

16:05That's why the own the media.

16:07That's what they constantly keep you propagandized and the best propaganda is the stuff you don't realize that is a propaganda.

16:13You just internalize it and you think that's just the way things are.

16:16So that's the, actually- They care what you think.

16:18That's so interesting.

16:19That's the only thing they care about.

16:21That's a deep insight, because sometimes it feels like they don't care what you think, but of course they do, because the propaganda is just relentless.

16:27And Michael, anybody who could go watch his speeches on YouTube, they're all over the place, and he's got a great sense of humor, and he was what Noam Chomsky people pretend he is.

16:37Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he was the real deal.

16:39FRAWN You know how you could tell that So Michael parenti Got kicked out of academia right in the 70s and he couldn't get a job and he was blacklisted He was because he spoke up against the Vietnam War stuff like that.

16:54And that's how you know, he's the real deal No, Chomsky had a job forever at MIT.

17:00I know.

17:02No problem.

17:03And his job was never threatened.

17:05And so he was what Chomski taught me, that there's the over 10 win there. There's as far left as you can go, right?

17:12So they'll have on people on the cable news shows that talk about war. It's never, hey, we shouldn't have a war. It's always like, well, how much war should we have?

17:21And then you have those discussions.

17:22And so Chomske was there to go, you can't go any farther than him.

17:25So if you go farther left than him, then you're a crazy nut your conspiracy theorists and he was the one You know who said doesn't who cares who killed?

17:34President Kennedy, that's what Chomsky said.

17:37Who cares, who overthrew our government, who did a coup on our government? Who cares?

17:41So that's the CIA talking about.

17:43Same thing, you know, he just repeated back that 9-11 happened exactly the way George Bush said it did to Dick Cheney, who, by the way, when they were asked about it, testified in secret behind closed doors, not under oath and together.

17:57So, so yeah, so I am- He affirmed the official story of 9-11?

18:05Yeah. So, um, that's why you should advocate.

18:09That's a radical.

18:10That's our radical.

18:12And I always tell people, you know, uh, what woke me up to it was like, I'm not an engineer, but I saw building seven, first of all, it was broadcast 20 minutes that have had fallen down by BBC before it ever fell, they go ahead and um, and then you're like, wait a minute, this building that wasn't hit by a plane, a plane hit a building 200 yards away from it.

18:33Very far away.

18:33And then it fell into its own footprint like out of sympathy for the other buildings.

18:40And so that's when I knew something was up. And I started my first comedy podcast in 2007 with Todd Glass and my wife Steph.

18:50And I talked about that and people were like, Jimmy, there's a crazy conspiracy there. I'm like, what?

18:54And then even people like Rosie O'Donnell would bring it up on The View. I don't know if you remember that. No.

18:59Yeah. She was like building seven and I'm like, I know I'm onto something, right?

19:02And so, you know, whenever you're not allowed to question something, that's when you know they're up to something. Of course.

19:07And I experienced that with Seth Rich.

19:10So Seth Rich, by the way, still not solved. Nobody knows who killed him.

19:15And a robbery in which nothing was too was about It was a botched robbery where they didn't take his watch, they didn't t take his wallet, they didn t take its phone.

19:21And I was just asking normal questions about the Seth.

19:25So the theory was that when WikiLeaks published the emails, right, they said it was Russia hacked into the DNC server.

19:34But the theory is that this guy was upset that they had rigged the primary against Bernie Sanders.

19:39He was a real patriot and so he had downloaded those onto a thumbnail and he gave them some through an intermediary gave it to WikiLeaks.

19:46And Julian Assange all but confirmed it, right?

19:48He did all, all, but confirm it.

19:50He didn't strictly speaking, confirm it, but he basically confirmed.

19:53Basically confirmed it, right?

19:55He was like, we don't give away our sources, you know, and...

19:59But I'm very concerned about Seth Rich's murder, which is, by the way, still on YouTube and worth watching because Julian Assange is maybe the smartest person I've ever met.

20:09Yeah, yeah, and really and really a smart person.

20:11And talk about guts.

20:14I think people who, on the left for years, people were free, Julian Assange.

20:19I didn't pay that much attention and then I got to know Julian Ass ange and I realized Julian Assage is way more of a hero even than people pretended he was.

20:27Yes, very much.

20:29And I was very flattered his family came to see me when I was in Australia. Really?

20:32Yeah, when Iwas in Melbourne, they showed up. So it was a very wonderful man.

20:36Anyway, but he basically confirmed the Seth Rich story, the crazed conspiracy theory.

20:43So Seth Rich, there's all these questions about his murder, right? Like, where was he when he left the bar to the time he got murdered? There's hours, where he was, what was he doing? Nobody, and so there's this all this stuff and how come there's no video of this?

20:54There's no this? Where's his computer?

20:56How come we can't see it?

20:58And so I was covered.

20:59I was at the Young Turks at the time when I was covering it.

21:02And then the Washington Post put me in a hit piece, right, that I was a crazy conspiracy theorist.

21:07And they put me on a hitpiece.

21:08This is when legacy media was afraid of YouTube taking away their viewers.

21:13And so they would run these hit pieces on YouTubers, and I was one of them, and they put me in with like, look at all these, there's Nazis on YouTube, there's white supremacists on YouTube.

21:22There's all this, hey, your kids are going down rabbit holes.

21:25They're being radicalized on YouTube and they'd put me there and they would put about Seth Rich, right?

21:32And so, and I don't even want, I don't even want to mention the guy who did it, but the guy that did it works for the Washington Post And, uh, he was. He's the guy, he did pro-war rallies for the Iraq war, right?

21:47When he was in college, yeah.

21:49And of course, that's the guys, Jeff Bezos taps to go cover progressive politics, that is the guy.

21:55And so anyway, he puts me in this hit piece and nobody really had my back on it.

22:00And I remember I was on a panel one day on the Young Turks with Cenk Uygur and.

22:05Ben Mankiewicz, other people, and I said to them, can you remember the last time a reporter wasn't allowed to ask questions about an unsolved murder?

22:15And they're like, well, no, they didn't know.

22:18And I'm like, of course, this is crazy. And so people would slander me, Jimmy Dorsett, Seth Rich conspiracy theorist, right?

22:25And the big thing was, you're not supposed to ask questions because it hurts the family, and it's upsetting their family.

22:31Really, I've been watching John F.

22:33Kennedy get his head blown off since I was a kid.

22:36What about his family?

22:37Nobody seems to care.

22:39So that's how you know that was so then was all of us have a right to justice for all American citizens Like that's our country's promise. So it's not about I mean, I respect the family I feel obviously bad for them.

22:50Their son was murdered.

22:51You don't want to offend people unnecessarily, but it's about a family It's about the nation, right?

22:57Yeah, do we have a country where murders are solved or do we the country in which investigations into murders are thwarted for political reasons?

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24:31So in fact, YouTubers did hit piece after hit piece on me along after the Washington Post put me in their article, and that's when I'm like, okay, I'm on to something.

24:40And so then people wanted to see the contents of the Seth Rich's laptop.

24:45Yeah. And at first, the FBI said, well, we don't have it.

24:48And then they're like, Okay, we have it, but we can't get the information out. Okay.

24:52They're like okay, we got the information.

24:54But we can release it because of the ongoing investigation.

24:58And so they lied three times.

25:00And then the judge, there was a judge that ordered them to release the contents.

25:03They ignored it.

25:05A second judge said, you got to release it. They still, they still haven't released it.

25:09So it's been now 10 or 11 years since he got murdered.

25:13We still don't know the contents, so that's how, you know, they're up to something and you know there was something to that. And we'd know for a fact that Russia did not hack into the DNC server.

25:21I brought Bill Binney on my show was the number one code breaker for the NSA for decades.

25:26And he immediately I brought him on my show in 2016 to debunk this and he said, yeah, if this if they did this if this was an outside source, he said there would be all these telltale signs that they did it there and I'm you know, I'm not a code breaker, but he will go and there's none of them are there.

25:43So this was local.

25:45So this meaning it was downloaded onto a thumb drive.

25:47It wasn't exactly and that's how I knew Russia gate was a scam.

25:51And Russiagate served many purposes.

25:54One of them was to keep Trump from being the populist he ran on the first time.

26:00And the second part was to get people ready for the war in Ukraine, because they had that in the chamber for over a decade.

26:06And so it propagated.

26:08I remember when George Bush said he met Putin and I looked into his eyes and he was, I saw he's a good man.

26:13Yeah, I'll never forget it.

26:15And then they were like, Hey, we got it. What are you doing?

26:17We got to stop that.

26:18Right. They would, they would go fishing together on Kenny Look for it and stuff.

26:21And so Putin was our friend.

26:23And then they're like, no, no we gotta have a war because you know, Black Rock, Vanguard and State Street, they wanted to Balkanize Russia. They wanna split it up and sell it off for parts, which is what they do, right?

26:32And they thought they were gonna be able to do that with the Ukraine war.

26:37And as Angela Merkel revealed that when they had the peace agreements in Ukraine, that that wasn't really for peace.

26:44That was just so the Ukraine had the time to build up their military to get ready for this war that they provoked from Putin.

26:51And so, but people don't know that in the United. People don't do anything because the people who want that war own the media.

26:57And then people like me who know that, and I tell that story, I'm called considered borderline content on YouTube and they call me a conspiracy theorist on Wikipedia, even though I was right about it and just like I was right about the Syrian gas attacks, which now the old PCW admits that they suppressed the whistleblowers.

27:14Um, but they, I mean, literally they had, you go to Wikipedia and it I would say Jimmy Dore is a conspiracy theorist because CNN says that the the gas attacks happen the way that and i'm like yeah that's all garbage and so anyway um They're smart They just like Michael Peretti said, they only care about what you think, which is why they control the media so they can control what you think.

27:35Right. And you don't get a thirty five million dollar contract for debunking Russiagate.

27:40You get a 35 million dollar contract like Rachel Maddow got for pushing Russiogate.

27:44In fact, when the war started in Iran, I watched a video of hers.

27:47She's still blaming Putin.

27:48She's saying he's doing the bidding of as if Putin wanted that to happen because now he gets to sell oil at a higher price.

27:54Yeah, that was an unintended consequence of this war.

27:57Trump had to take the sanctions off of Russia.

28:00And, uh, so anyway.

28:01But if you're racial meta, why not just come out against the war in Iran?

28:05I mean, that was a pure Trump thing and BB everybody in your audience hates Trump and BB. So why wouldn't you just say that?

28:15Why blame Putin?

28:16That's insane.

28:18Because they have to keep that war going, I guess, and she's a puppet of the military-industrial...

28:22Again, you don't get a $35 million contract, this is what she got, for telling the truth.

28:27You know, Tucker, I use you as an example all the time, you know, you don't gets fired for lying.

28:33He got fired when he started to tell the truth about the neocons and the military industrial complex, the Syrian war, which is when you and I first connected, because we were the two people telling the true...

28:42You were the only other person.

28:43And I thought, am I going insane?

28:44There's no evidence that this happened.

28:46I don't even know Assad.

28:48I didn't have strong feelings about Assad.

28:50He's certainly better than what we have now in Syria.

28:53But I was just like, this just seems as like a reporting matter, like a lie. And you were the the only person saying that.

29:00The only other.

29:01I remember doing a video and I said, boy, if it comes down to me and Tucker telling the truth about this, we're screwed.

29:07And of course we are screwed because now Al-Qaeda runs Syria.

29:10Exactly.

29:11Exactly as I predicted, exactly as Tulsi Gabbard predicted.

29:14I know. That if you get rid of Assad, who's going to take over Al- Qaeda or ISIS, by the way, which we're funding and probably created.

29:22So isn't it interesting that ISIS and Al-qaeda, the sworn enemies of Israel never attack Israel?

29:27Isn't that interesting?

29:28It is kinda weird.

29:29Yeah, it's kind of, it was almost like they invented them for a purpose.

29:34People don't care.

29:35I talk about this, people don't care, especially my, you know, my ex friends in Hollywood.

29:39They have no idea about any of this stuff. They don't know that the...

29:43So they see a guy who's running Syria now and he's got a blue Brooks Brothers suit on and he is meeting with the president and he has been with Petraeus.

29:51He's over at Downing Street and they're like, yeah, he's our guy.

29:54You know, he is the former head chopper from Syria, from al-Qaeda, right? Like, huh?

29:59What?

30:00They all look like Dash Patel, I don't know what the hell is going on, you know? So, uh...

30:05It's funny, even the Gulf Arabs, um, when he took, when Jalani took over Syria, they were, they were more uncomfortable than our state department.

30:16Our state department was like, yeah, okay, it's totally fine.

30:19Cause the Israelis wanted it.

30:20But even the gulf Arabs were like, Ooh, this guy's pretty scary.

30:24Like really we going with this?

30:26And Qadhafi predicted all this and that's why they had to kill him too.

30:29Oh yeah, he gave a speech at the Arab League where he talked about, you know, you don't think they're going to come for you next, they're coming for you.

30:36And they did, and they came for him because, well, he was a threat to the petrodollar because he was going to create the denar, right?

30:43And the most successful country in all of Africa, and he was gonna unite Africa, and they can't have that because they want to go in there, you know, as Michael Peretti says, it's not a poor continent, it is a very rich continent, and they just keep the people poor so we can extract all their resources, which is what they do.

30:59And so he was going to he was gonna unite the people of Africa and they can't have that because that would be a threat to the euro and be a threat to The US dollar and so that's why he had to go plus he said if you get rid of me, they're gonna flood Western Europe he thought he was safe because if they got rid of him then all the refugees Would go flood but it turns out that's exactly what they wanted of Exactly, and why do they want that?

31:25They want that for the because they again, they want you hating your neighbor. They want you to be afraid of your neighbor and fighting. So just like in the United States, why did they have open borders?

31:35And, um, I'm, you know, I've very pro immigrant, you know, um the, but the reason why they want to flood the country with is for it to, but by the way, Bernie Sanders used to be a, uh, against, against open borders and he would say it's a Coke, it's a Coke brother scam.

31:52And of course lower wages lower wages and then keeping poor workers fighting against even poor more desperate people Instead of coming together realizing your common interests and fighting against the oligarchy And what I tell people is if you find yourself angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you pretty good chance You're being manipulated by someone higher on the economical ladder than new and so that's why I say you don't blame the immigrant Because you would do exactly what they're doing Really? I agree completely.

32:19I would do I would whatever I could to get into United States percent Yeah, I would lie cheat and steal I'd walk from Tegucigalpa any day That's right to give my kids a better life and myself and so that's what they did in Europe So you go there and it's to dilute the culture And get people Fighting amongst each other so you don't come together and fight the man I think but Gaddafi thought that and he thought that they didn't want that.

32:45I didn't realize that they wanted that And as soon as they realized that they wanted it, he was gone.

32:50So there was many reasons to get rid of him. And of course, you know, Hillary Clinton famously said, we came, we saw he died and she giggled about it because they're blood soaked psychopaths.

33:00I don't think that's an overstatement. It's not an over statement at all.

33:05You kidding me?

33:06They they're all for the Iraq war.

33:07They killed a million people right in the Iraq War.

33:09And look what they did to Libya.

33:11The most now it's got open slave market still to this day.

33:14Then nobody cares. They they used Plutonium tip bombs.

33:21So Gaddafi took desert and turned it into farmland.

33:24He created a water system, which is considered like the eighth wonder of the world.

33:29And they bombed it.

33:30They bombed with depleted uranium tip bombs to make it a failed state.

33:37And so now the water is polluted with uranium.

33:42And- Was that NATO?

33:43Yeah, that's the good guys.

33:45Yeah, the Defensive Alliance.

33:47Yeah, The Defensive Alliances, right? UK, France, and the United States.

33:50We were the good guy.

33:52That's what people think.

33:53Just, I never forget when Tulsi was running for president and she went on Stephen Colbert.

34:01Who's one of the biggest disappointments ever to comedy and he said what she was telling the truth about Syria, right?

34:07And she was saying, you know, we shouldn't be doing this regime change wars and stuff and he leaned over He said I see America as a force for good in the world with a straight face with a straightforward That's a grown-up man who's been in comedy his whole life.

34:19You think America's a force do you have you looked around the world?

34:22We have a thousand military bases.

34:24What has that gotten anybody?

34:25Did you see what we did to Iraq?

34:26You see we did so Libya.

34:27Do you see where we're currently doing the Syria didn't It's all, again, that's why you get those jobs, because that's what you're gonna say.

34:34If they said something like I was gonna say, I wouldn't get that job.

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35:45So, not to sidebar here, but what about Colbert, who I always thought was talent?

35:52Extremely. He did the best show ever. I liked his show way better than The Daily Show when he did The Gold Bear Report.

35:59And then he became that guy.

36:01How? Why?

36:03Who knows?

36:05I'm not a psychiatrist, but he became the thing he used to lampoon.

36:10He became that guys.

36:12And he just repeats military-industrial complex talking points. You know, he's...

36:18He helped to build up the the momentum for their ukraine war and they and they let you know I said it about john stewart too You know john steward who can supremely talented these people are really talented But he'll never tell his audience the truth about the ukraine War just like he'll ever tell people why he hung a medal on a nazi at disney world right, uh and He told the truth About the the virus the covet virus on colbert I remember that.

36:44Which Colbert kept trying to stop him and take the legs out from underneath his comedy bit, which was brilliant.

36:49He had to literally get off the couch and walk towards the camera so he could finish his comedy bid about where the COVID virus came from.

36:57Do you remember this? Very well.

36:58Yes. And so he paid a big social price for that, John Stewart.

37:02He did? Yeah.

37:03And he talked about, boy, I found out that I didn't know that certain medicines were political.

37:10He was talking about ivermectin and there's a right-wing medicine.

37:13He talked about this.

37:15And then to make up for that he had to give a tongue-bath to Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice I don't know if you remember that no, yeah Which we that's penance that is penance and then he had hang a medal on a Nazi at Disney World Which he'll never go anywhere anybody will ask and got buddy I'm a big fan of Jon Stewart's and but I just don't you know Chris Hedges told told me when the first time he came on my show was that I'm like, Jon Stewart's great, he takes down both sides.

37:41He's like, he'll never challenge the establishment, Jimmy, which is why he's there.

37:45And I'm, like, in a meaningful way, and that's true.

37:49And that's why he is allowed to go on those TV shows and have a TV show.

37:54I mean, same thing with Bill Maher, right? If they were really a threat, they wouldn't be there.

37:59They're not a threat.

37:59I mean, Bill Maher, I don't want to be mean, but not a talented guy.

38:06I remember going to his house and he has this amazing house.

38:10And it's like, wow, you've really, on the basis of very little native talent. I mean literally, I know comedians no one's ever heard of who were like kind of geniuses, not the case for Bill Mahr.

38:21This was 25, almost 30 years ago I first thought this.

38:24And I was like, wow, this guy, how did he get so successful?

38:28So...

38:30Remember when he did tell the truth when he had that charm?

38:32I'll never forget it.

38:33Yeah, so he told the truth about well the the hijackers on 9-eleven weren't cowards He said you could say whatever you want about them But they you know, they give up their own life for a cause and that's the opposite and boy Oh boy, did he pay a price friend? He got his mind right immediately And so they canceled him and the story I've heard was that his management company also represented The sopranos right and so HBO wanted The Sopranos bad.

39:04And so they said, okay, we'll give The Sipranos, but you have to give Bill Maher a show.

39:07And that's how he got his show on HBO. And just like George Costanza said on Seinfeld when they were pitching a TV show on that sitcom, that they asked George Costanzo, why would anybody want to watch this?

39:16And he goes, because it's on TV.

39:18And that why people watch Bill Mahr, because he's on T.V.

39:21And he gets big name guests, right?

39:24Which I'm jealous of, no doubt about it.

39:27But...

39:28He won't bring on people every time he brings on someone that's to his left He gets schooled and he gets embarrassed like Glenn Greenwald and Glenn Greenwold has schooled him hard I've showed that video many times Glenn's amazing and I can't believe he had glana on.

39:40That was back in 2011 or 2010 and he's never had him on again. Of course not.

39:46Yeah, so anytime he has someone To his left people don't like to you know people who consider themselves liberal The last thing you want to do is be challenged from their left and so he'll never bring but Bill Maher That's why he's he's loves to have beef friends with like Ann Coulter and people like that but he's not gonna do that the other way and So yeah, that's what that's over left with and that's how we got that job and that's why and nobody knows the ratings of HBO right?

40:13They don't release them a subscription but and you know I'll say fully that I'm jealous of the influence he gets to have on the culture and I'm I would and I am jealous that he has that show. But it's waning for sure.

40:29Nobody likes him that's the weird thing right? No.

40:31You know and my wife always says can we at least have somebody who's fun to look at if he's going to be wrong about everything?

40:38I do think, though, the Gaza tragedy has forced people into sunlight, kind of, because, like, if you're defending that, you don't have to hate Israel or, you know, have any kind of wacky views, but, like how could you defend that?

40:53How could a normal person defend that, if you are not a normal if you defending that?

40:57I think. Tucker, you do not think Israel has a right to defend itself?

41:01I think everybody has a way to defend themselves, I just like, that's genocide, that's murdering children. And so, and I think a person who's.

41:08Like likes Israel, loves Israel even could say, yeah, I love Israel, but like I love America, but I'm not gonna defend the grotesque things that our country has done.

41:18Why would I defend that?

41:19I degrade myself and I lie when I do that. So why couldn't you say, yeah, I really love Israel?

41:25But that's disgusting.

41:26What, they're starving people who didn't do anything wrong, like how could you defend that.

41:30And people don't know that there's a thing called the Greater Israel Project, which I didn't know.

41:35I didn- I didn't know most of this stuff until October 7th, right? Yeah. I- I- mean, I had covered- when Israel would go in and mow the lawn, you know, I would cover how horrible that was.

41:44But I didn't really understand the genesis of it, I didn't understand what was going on.

41:49But after October 7th, I did.

41:51Now I understand.

41:52I understand that, you know, that Israel was founded by terrorist organizations and there was a thing called the Nakba and that they say it was invented because of the Holocaust, and that's not why, because Zionism has been around since the early 1800s, so it has nothing to do with that.

42:07That was always a problem and they couldn't get, you know, they couldn't get people to move to the middle of the debt and nobody wanted to, the Jews didn't wanna go there.

42:13So they had to make a deal with Hitler and to get people, so it's, I know all that stuff now and I know that it's a, you why a two state solution isn't the solution and you have to have a one state solution, which Bernie Sanders' video just went around of him.

42:28Uh... Saying that he doesn't support a one-state solution because then israel wouldn't be a jewish state what it was a nice support israel he said this is it this is our this is our you know progressive lefty leader i was shocked by that video, is that real?

42:41That's real.

42:42Yeah. But he was, you know, he was also two years earlier to that video.

42:46He was talking to Ezra Klein and he said, yeah, open borders are that's a that's a Koch brothers.

42:53So it just it's amazing that the real view.

42:56But he's always been a warmonger.

42:58He was, you know Bernie Sanders, he was he was for Kosovo and all that stuff. He was?

43:02Yeah.

43:04It's sad.

43:06Bernie Sanders, I saw one Bernie Sanders speech in person and it was in Iowa when he was running in 16 and it all about oligarchy is bad.

43:15And at the time I had pretty conventional views but I've never been for oligarchy.

43:19Why would I be for that? It's the enemy of democracy.

43:21So I was like, you know, and I know a lot of billionaires and some are nice but most are like gravely overrated.

43:27And like, I kind of liked his speech.

43:30You know, it was pure economic populism. See ya.

43:33And then, so I thought, yeah, I get it. And by the way, the audience was not all like, I don't know, people playing hacky sack or hippies or whatever, it was like normal people.

43:44And that really kind of shocked me.

43:45When he was on the Anti-Oligarch Tour? Totally.

43:47Isn't it amazing that he didn't do any of those anti-oligarch tours when Joe Biden was president?

43:52I know. Kind of amazing.

43:53All of a sudden oligarchy is a problem now.

43:56Kamala Harris and Joe Biden had more billionaire donors than Trump did, but somehow now it's a problem and what else they didn't show you was that there were pro-Palestinian protesters that they had kicked out of those rallies.

44:06Actually, yeah, so I missed so much of the detail because it's that's not my world and I didn't expect to feel that way about it Anyway, what I don't understand So I went to the 2016.

44:18I was a big Bernie Sanders.

44:19Yeah. Yeah, and just for the record I'm pretty sure he did oppose the Iraq war so I don't want people going he was okay, but you know, he played into the propaganda for the Ukraine war and And a certain and anyway, he won't call it a genocide.

44:33Anyway, so in Gaza, so But I was a big birdie guys a bit and I believed in him right and which is a hard lesson don't believe in politicians Amen.

44:43Oh, I've learned that lesson.

44:44Yes. Oh boy. It's a tough one and So I went to the democratic convention in Philadelphia, right Liberty Bell And, uh, it was great.

44:55You walked into the convention and half the place was filled with Bernie supporters who wanted to overthrow the establishment, get money out of politics, overthrow the, uh the corporatists inside the party and give it back to the people. It was amazing.

45:08Then it was real. It was a ruckus.

45:10It was a real ruck.

45:11I was there. I remember.

45:12And they turned the lights out on people that you sound can all kinds of stuff, right?

45:16I was there. You were there.

45:17Yeah. Oh, it was, it was invigorated. I'm like, this is it.

45:21They we got them the next time we're going to have a convention. They can't stop this.

45:24This is a trick.

45:25Well, what they did was they got Bernie Sanders.

45:28So Bernie Sanders tucks his tail. He endorses Hillary Clinton and he extracts not one concession for doing so.

45:35Nothing. He didn't ask for anything for him, for his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton.

45:40And.

45:42Because because Trump right which you know the Democrats they say they hate Trump, but they love them because they're there There's their biggest fundraiser is Donald Trump Donald Trump goes away How they gonna so they have to make another so not only did he do that?

45:54But he did nothing with his movement, right?

45:56So we had half the people who voted in the Democratic primary on his side probably more because he got cheated so he Did nothing he didn't ask just like brock obama when he got elected He disbanded his followers right his young people same thing with bryce sanderson. He didn't say All right.

46:12What we're gonna do is we're going to shut it down. We're gonna have a protest here We're going have a protests there. We've got to go occupy walter. We are going to occupy the dnc We're, gonna make sure they get corporate. He, didn't, ask them to do anything Anything and that's how you know?

46:25And that he was Corrupted and co-opted put it that way And so uh same thing happened in 2020 they all got together cheated him uh... It in a in a different way this time and uh...

46:38He'd again he disendorsed joe biden without asking any kids and nothing we didn't get a public option we didn get a raise a minimum wage we didn't get nothing and um...

46:48So and he didn't ask his followers to do anything and he still won't ask the followers to anything just like a l c they won't say get in the street they want to go protest here go protest there they're playing along the good boys What's AOC's game?

47:02What do you think she actually She's a narcissist who's using politics for celebrity.

47:06She could easily be an actress in Hollywood.

47:09100 percent.

47:10Yeah. But she went this way.

47:11Does she have a shot at the nomination, do you think?

47:13You know, of course, I think. Why wouldn't she?

47:17I mean, she got up there and she lied at the DN.

47:20So let me get back to that.

47:22So they didn't have a convention in 2020, right?

47:25Because of COVID.

47:27So 2016, they have this convention.

47:28It looks like. The people are going to take over the Democratic Party and return it back to the workers.

47:32That's what I thought. I thought there's no way they can stop this.

47:36This is a trade that can't be stopped.

47:38So then they don't have a convention in 2020.

47:41Bertie capitulates, asks for nothing again.

47:43And then the next time they have a conventional was 2024.

47:45I went to that one in Chicago and you walk in and I'm sure I told you it was like I was at a Stepford Wives Convention.

47:52Nobody can go.

47:52I would interview people and I would say. How do you feel about them not having a primary and just appointing Kamala Harris? They're like, yeah, but we have a process.

48:00That's what they would say to a person.

48:02No, we had, she followed the process and we have a process I'm like, that process doesn't involve voting.

48:08Does that bother you?

48:09Didn't bother anybody.

48:10Seth Rich was.

48:11Part of the process.

48:11Yeah, haha, and they you know was this one billionaire after another billionaire giving speeches at the Democratic Convention and to show you how how failed Bernie Sanders and his movement is Our revolution which was the political organization He founded is now and you know who they're endorsing in the governor's race in California who's Tom Steyer a bill Not in there really yes a billionaire made his money in private prisons So that's how bad it's gotten So there's I hate to say this but You know and unless workers rise up in a real way their life So if so, that's why I think Trump knows he kind of has to end this war because

48:51if gas prices go to $10 a gallon Which they could easily go to Oh, easily.

48:56Um that uh, it will people are like hey, I can't afford to do any I can afford to go anywhere I can' afford to even drive to work So that would be that the paid would be so great at that moment maybe people would rise up in unison and um So we'll see well, but that's what it takes. That's what's gonna take So yeah, so 24 convention.

49:17It was just like a step and I was like, oh, so it's all they got it It's all over and then and then you know, the aoc goes on stage and says Kamala Harris is working tirelessly to end the to get a peace deal.

49:29They weren't doing anything Right.

49:30She even said i'm not gonna I wouldn't change anything that Joe biden did she said that on what she would have the view. I wouldn't change anything so um A woman who the first time she ran for president could get a vote. She had to drop out She's like the first one to drop Never forget it.

49:44And then she becomes the vice president and then she becomes a nominee and still nobody voted for her.

49:51So and because I criticize Democrats, because I was a Democrat my whole life until 2016.

49:58Um, people immediately go, well, if you're not, if you're going to criticize the Democrats, you must be a Republican. You must be at Trumper. You must beat it.

50:05I'm like, no, no.

50:06I, I, the Republicans never asked for my vote. Uh, Democrats did, and they, I got tricked by them.

50:11I got trick by Bernie Sanders.

50:13I got tripped by AOC hard.

50:15I was the first TV show she came on.

50:16Well, I wouldn't call it a TV show, but I was the first show she come on. And she tweeted it out.

50:20I was on Jimmy Dore show today and all that stuff.

50:23And then as soon as she got elected, she never returned a phone call, never. No way.

50:27No, no way.

50:28In fact, when I held her to her campaign promise with force to vote, which was trying to get them to extract something from Nancy Pelosi for their vote as her first speaker when there was only eight.

50:39So they, it was called forced to vote and it was a watershed moment because.

50:43It proved that no matter how many progressives you elect inside the Democratic Party, they're not going to do what you want them to do.

50:50They're not even going to do what they campaigned on.

50:51Very much like Trump, they're going to go along with the establishment.

50:55They wouldn't oppose Nancy Pelosi.

50:57They would not extract anything.

50:59Everybody agreed in the Democratic party for decades, including Nancy Pelosi, that we need to have a vote for Medicare for all on the floor of the house. Not that it would pass, but that it would expose the people who were fakers saying they were for it. And it would start a national conversation about it, and people would get informed about what it actually is, and it would help build the movement for it.

51:19And they wouldn't do that.

51:20They all ran on it.

51:21It was at the DSA Handbook from 2019.

51:25They opposed it.

51:26They posed and she ran on and she said we can't even get a vote for medicare Think about that.

51:30She said at a campaign rally think about that We can't be gonna vote for Medicare for all on the house floor She said that so i'm like boom this is the thing to do and so when I started the force to vote and I got a big coalition of people behind it And uh, she said I was committing Stochastic violence against her No way!

51:49I've never really understood what that term means.

51:52It means that you're exposing them for being hypocrites and so they have to try to discredit you some way. That's what that means.

51:59So you're a terrorist for- So I'm using, so I'm inciting violence against them with words, that's what they're trying to say.

52:07And because I said FAOC, and she used that as a, because that's not politics, that's stochastic violence.

52:16Okay.

52:17So what about Newsom?

52:19I think he's fantastic.

52:20Don't you think he is great?

52:21I think it cares about the people.

52:24I think its great.

52:25I think, he's going to make the country look as pretty as his hair.

52:28That's what I think.

52:30Does he I mean it feels like he's the nominee We'll see I mean he's gotta get he's got the gift of the gab.

52:38Oh, he's unbelievable.

52:39He really he really knows how to To you know, it's like Obama like I would feel better after you after Obama gave me I feel good And I know he's full of it and I would be better even it's weird He has that and he'll say literally anything literally anything and he's fun to talk to Like he's a very, uh, he's very charming.

52:58Like I will say, yeah, yeah.

53:00He does all those movements all the time and he's got the hand thing.

53:03And but is he in any sense, like different from Chuck Schumer or Pelosi or anybody like that?

53:09No, they're all.

53:09No, you don't get to be there if you are you you're not allowed to be the nominee if you are if you don't go along and play along you know you don you know that's why um in 2016 you know just like brexit uh that they democracy happened and they were like well well we we got to make sure this doesn't happen when trump got uh the nomination they're like we can't let this happen again right and same thing with brexit we can and so it's all the crackdown free speech and anti-democratic stuff and They did Russiagate, which, again, already told you served dual purposes.

53:43And then they got, and Trump got his mind right, and now Trump is one of them. And the people that he used to call out, people, he got elected for calling out neocons.

53:51Oh, yeah. That was his thing.

53:53People are like, yes, finally there's a guy.

53:54Now he's the chief neo con And people say, and I have to push back on this, a lot of people, you know, I have, I still have friends in Hollywood that I go to dinner with and they're good people because they, you know, they have the right intentions, but they don't realize they're propagandized.

54:09And their whole thing is all these idiots who voted for, how did you not know he's the biggest con man in the world?

54:14And I go, well, he did have a first term, his first term he didn't start any new wars.

54:20So he was the first president in decades that didn't start a new war.

54:24Everybody gets two wars, right?

54:26And Clinton, Bush, Barack Obama, he expanded the Afghanistan war, and he got to do Syria. Plus, he did the drone wars, which killed 90% innocent people.

54:36And, um, and he dropped more bombs than George Bush.

54:39People don't know that the Barack Obama dropped more bombs than george bush. And so, and then Trump got in and he didn't do it.

54:45You're like, what?

54:46And then he, you know, he wanted to pull troops out of Syria.

54:48And we find out that the military lied to him and said they did, and they didn't, right?

54:53You know, about that story.

54:54And so it was like, so we had a track record and I did not, nobody saw that, so people say they saw it coming that he was always a con man.

55:04Um, yeah, what politician isn't a con man.

55:06Yes, I agree.

55:07And, but his, his particular presidential campaign was the biggest con I've seen since Nigerian princes learned how to email.

55:19It was amazing.

55:20And people even more clever than any Nigerian prince I've ever been emailed by.

55:25He got people way smarter than me, uh, convinced.

55:29And, you know, and, uh I didn't vote for Trump. I never voted for Republican.

55:33I voted for Dave Chappelle.

55:35I wrote him in and, um, but, uh but people think that people who think that people think I did campaign rallies for Donald Trump didn't campaign.

55:42Well, I actually did.

55:43I know.

55:44A number of them.

55:45Yeah. Yeah, um, then to wake up and substantively he's no different from Chuck Schumer on economics and foreign policy or Lindsey Graham or Lindsey or Lindsey Graham.

55:56Um, and you're like, but Chuck Schumar is like from for the, for the Republican brain as like, you know, evil.

56:05Yeah. And it's like, where do Trump and Chuck Schummer disagree on the biggest issues and they don't. And so They both want to keep you away from health care, they both want to do foreign wars, they both support Israel unconditionally and what they're doing.

56:23They both want to crush a workers' strike, so that was why it was so important for Biden and the Democrats to crush that railroad strike, because that would have set the template and an example. Just like the truckers in Canada, they'd had to stop that immediately, call them Nazis and white supremacists, and they had to debank them and shut down, and they had do that because they didn't want that catching on.

56:45And just like Michael Prenty said, they only care about what you think, and if you see that and you start to think different thoughts than the media wants you, they got a problem.

56:51And so that's why they crush that railroad worker strike immediately.

56:55And so that again, this is what we need we need workers to realize that we have any and you know There's this thing now what aoc wouldn't join with marjorie taylor green To oppose the genocide in in gaza and she's like, well, she's white supreme Whatever is, you know this whole thing and you, know, that's not how you organize, right?

57:14And I I experienced that when we had the anti right after the ukraine war started We had an anti-war rally in washington dc and code pink wouldn't wouldn't joined in code pink Their whole thing is to be against war.

57:25And they wouldn't join it because there were certain speakers on the lineup that they didn't feel, uh, agreed with their views on LGBTQ.

57:35And I'm like, and I'm like, so that reveals, and I love Madea Benjamin. Yeah, I do too.

57:40Uh, but that organization just proved themselves to be a bunch of cosplaying women.

57:46Fraud because that's not how you or everybody knows that right?

57:49It's not it's like well I'd like to stop a nuclear war but not with those people.

57:53You know, I mean That's it.

57:55So it's like that's that's what gives it power when you are able to join with people who you don't agree with on other things and vehemently disagree on other thing and you come around a single idea That's what it gives it the power if it's just people that agree with you on everything They can dismiss you and say all those are those crazy lefties.

58:13But if you have these Right-wingers who don't agree with you.

58:16That's what gives it power and it's like I talk up You know, I wasn't been in unions all my life and what?

58:22Here's how we you don't organize a union. You don't go to the shop floor and say hey who's here? It's a gun nut.

58:28All right, you're out who here doesn't who here?

58:30Doesn't agree what the trans agenda?

58:32All right You're out.

58:33Who here is who doesn't agree?

58:36Medicare for okay, you route who doesn' agree on the war.

58:39Okay, you are all right now I'm gonna organize who's left.

58:42That' not how it works And Christian Smalls proved that when he organized a bunch of right-wingers on Staten Island, a bunch Trump voters, to go against Jeff Bezos and the oligarchy.

58:52That's not how you go, hey, we have a common interest, and our common interest is against the man.

58:58And so we can forget about those other issues, and we can work on those later, but right now we have bigger issue, and the bigger issue is to oppose this guy, so we get decent working conditions, we can get health care, we get a decent wage. That helps lift everybody's vote.

59:13And so that's what they don't want you to know.

59:15That's the thing that, again, that's the only thing that scares people.

59:18And I have, you know, my audience is made up of, so I meet them when I go out and tour the country.

59:23I was just in Raleigh.

59:24I was in Atlanta.

59:26I was, you now, I was I was Houston. I was Dallas.

59:30I was an Albuquerque. I go everywhere.

59:32And I disaffected Democrats and disaffecting Republicans.

59:36And the people, the disaffECTed MAGA people, they feel so betrayed.

59:43And, you know, that's the thing about, oh, they're such idiots at such a convent. It's like, so if I, if, it's like I tell him, at least he had a track record and at least he would give lip service to the things that they wouldn't even give lip service to it.

59:56Kamala Harris wouldn't give you lip service.

59:57But he was also being persecuted, literally persecuted by the establishment.

60:02So the idea that he would join with the establishment against his own voters seemed like crazy.

60:06That could never happen.

60:07They're trying to send him to prison for life.

60:09So you're like, those were his bona fides, his suffering at the hands of the establishment, you never thought he would them.

60:16At least that's- That's my own thinking.

60:17That's exactly right.

60:19In January 6, which we now know is an FBI Psy op, and Clay Higgins exposed that, on your show even.

60:29But even before that, he was questioning the FBI director, and how many FBI assets did you have inside the Capitol before the riot started?

60:40I can't tell you that.

60:41What?

60:42The answer should be none.

60:44You You would think.

60:46Yeah, so of course that and so they did the same playbook in Brazil, by the way.

60:51So again, you don't have to be a Trump fan or Bolsonaro fan to realize that if they could do it to those people, they'll do it's anybody, which is what I tried to tell Cornel West when he came on my show and he wouldn't listen to it. You know, if you don't think if they can do this to Donald Trump, that they're not going to do it.

61:05To you, if ever become a threat or they'll do it, to Bernie Sanders, if he ever becomes a threat or Jill Stein or anybody, anybody becomes a They used the exact same playbook on January 6th.

61:16They did it to Bolsonaro They had a fake insurgency that overtook the capital and they made it illegal for him to run for president get the same thing They were trying to do to Donald Trump, but they couldn't think because he didn't cross that line He didn't tell people to go in either. So anyway Uh, that, and people don't, still til to this day, people don't realize that, that it was, uh, the, the FBI did that.

61:37The FBI is not your friend.

61:38The FBI, it's amazing what the, what Trump did to the left. Trump got the left to go along with the FBI.

61:46All of a sudden they're the good guys at the CIA.

61:47They're the guys.

61:48It's amazing.

61:49We know that the FBI infiltrates every lefty organization and we, we know, and, and this idea that, um, it's we have to worry about right-wing terrorists inside the United States.

62:03Well, nine out of ten, if not 99 out of 100 of those terrorist happenings are invented by the FBI, just like the Whitmers.

62:12Exactly. You know, they were going to kidnap her.

62:14Turns out nine out of the 13 people in the van were FBI.

62:18Of course, I mean, they do this with all they, This is over and over and over again and so.

62:23You know, we're a victim of our, and the same thing with Big Pharma.

62:28The people who went from protesting GMOs at our food flipped and went for, don't you question Big Phharma over the vaccine?

62:39How dare you?

62:40Don't you even question vaccines?

62:41Don't you are like, what?

62:42Cite that don't do your own research, which means don't read.

62:46And it's the most anti-intellectual thing, and people just accept it.

62:50You know, that's what dictators do, you know, the church didn't want you to read the Bible, you had to go through the priesthood.

62:57That's right. That's why they didn't allow slaves to learn how to read, it was illegal.

63:00And you got people who consider themselves liberal repeating that, don't do your own research, don't look into things, just trust the government. Trust the government and trust Big Pharma.

63:09And now we know they lied about everything, and those people still don't know anything.

63:13They still think ivermectin is a horse paste. Actually?

63:17Yes! People tell me on social media all the time, you ruined your reputation over ivermectin.

63:23I go, did it ever occur to you that you were lied to about ivermekton?

63:25Did it ever occurred to you it's won the Nobel Prize for human medicine, that it's on the WHO list of essential medicines?

63:32It's been prescribed a billion times for humans, saved billions alive?

63:36Did it every occur to that before COVID they were looking at it to cure cancer and now there's credible study after credible study that it does cure cancer?

63:43The last one that 80% of the people who took ivermectin for their cancer saw either a complete remission, no growth in their tumor, or recession, I don't know if that's a term, 80%!

63:56Uh, so you've been lied to about ivermectin and people well now chris cuomo will admit that he was He goes well, they lied to us.

64:03Yeah chris That's why you're supposed to be the journalist and you're not supposed to repeat what they tell you Exactly, you're you're suppose to actually look into it Which would take five seconds for you to look it up on google.

64:14What is iver mectin?

64:15But of course he didn't do that.

64:16He just him and don lehman would just scoff at joe They had to think about this they had to They had to color Joe Rogan's skin green.

64:25CNN did that when he got covid to when he got better right away and he did a video.

64:30They color to skin green, you know that, right? Of course.

64:32Yeah. So that's what a threat. That's a threat to the establishment.

64:36And so why would they do that?

64:37Why would they lie about ivermectin and say it's horse paste?

64:41Why do you think they did that?

64:43They did that because it could treat COVID, and then they couldn't get their emergency use authorization for the vaccine.

64:48That's why they did.

64:49That same thing with hydroxychloroquine.

64:51They wouldn't even let doctors prescribe steroids at the beginning of COVID. I know that because my doctor told me and she did it anyway. She gave people and they came to her and they go, Hey, why are you giving, she said, because my patients are living.

65:03And your patients are dying.

65:05And so I've been lucky to have good doctors.

65:09Yeah, and you.

65:11Saw it early or I got vaccine injured.

65:14Yeah. And that's what, so I wouldn't, I didn't know, I didn't t know that they would lie about a virus. I didn t know they would lie about it. I bought all the stuff about vaccines and everybody.

65:23I did that. I didn't that there was never actually a placebo test for any of the vaccines.

65:27I never questioned that they give 72 shots to a baby from the time it's a baby to the time it's 18 for vaccines.

65:33I never question why did they give the hepatitis B vaccine?

65:36The first shot they give to a, you only can catch hepatitis from intravenous drug use or protected sex are there a lot of horror babies running around hospitals is that what's happening So and people don't ever think about that. I was at a Hollywood party and I was talking to a doctor and this is before the election He's where I'm really worried about RFK is gonna take away our vaccines and I said to him Do you know how many vaccines that you have to take now on the schedule? He's what I go 72 and his jaw hit the floor and I go, you know the first one just like I said It's hepatitis B.

66:06He's like what why would they do that? I go. What do you think they do? That for money.

66:10What? Do you think cuz they can't get people to take it so they just put it on the vaccine schedule That's how that's how it got on there read the Midwestern doctors blog It explains everything.

66:19The Midwestern Doctors blog, I just want to plug that.

66:24Anyone who hasn't read that unsubstract Midwestern Doctor. Yeah, he's a, I don't think he uses his name.

66:31No. Right.

66:32He's a kind of a genius and a very decent person.

66:37Well, does his own research.

66:38He does his own read.

66:39He reads. He read.

66:40He reads studies.

66:41So speaking of, I have to ask you about this, because it's not related to anything we've been talking about, but we're talking at breakfast about Carl Jung, the famous psychoanalyst who is often described as the protege of Sigmund Freud, but a little more complicate.

66:58No. Right. Exactly.

66:59No, they're completely different.

67:01He broke with Freud big time.

67:04In fact, Freud disowned him.

67:06Yes and hated him and jealous of him.

67:09Who was he?

67:10Why do you read him?

67:12So, Carl Jung, by the way, it's very interesting how it connects to COVID, because he realized that your psyche has a need for the sacred and the religion.

67:23And he said, if you don't have that, if don't a connection to that, that you will project it outward. And that's exactly what happened.

67:31So, you know, liberals, the people I know in Hollywood, they're not spiritual, religious, and so they turn science into a religion. Yes, and they turn Fauci into their deity And so you can't question it, you can question religion, you're a heretic, so you can't questions science, don't do your own research, don't read the Bible, don't read the, all that, it's the same, and I saw it happen right in front of my face.

67:52And so Carl Jung, he was way ahead of his time.

67:56And so we share the same birthday, which he would say is a synchronicity.

68:02But I had a quote from him on my fridge for years, and i never understood it.

68:09But it stayed on your fridge.

68:11Because I guess I had a feeling there was something to it, and you say, you know, about enlightenment doesn't come from imagining forms of light, it comes from making the darkness conscious.

68:19And until you make the darkness consciousness, it will control your life and you'll call it fate.

68:24And so it's all about all the parts of ourselves that are split off and we put into our unconscious or our shadow self, and then we project it. So the things we hate the most and the things that we love the most are really a religious experience, Rejoining so we project a part of ourselves that's in our unconscious onto a thing onto another person And that's why you see the people who were the most animated in their hatred for trump Had trump in their shadow, right?

68:54That's the part of them that they yes, you know keith oberman You know people those kind of people, right so they have that and so they project it because that's the Part of themselves. They hate the most right?

69:04And so same thing when you love something, like when a male falls in love that, you know, love at first sight, that's you're projecting a thing called your anima. That's your female side that's in your unconscious and you project it onto another person and you feel that like you're being energized from the inside because you are.

69:22And And then you get married and then of course the projections fall off and you're like, who's this person?

69:28That's what happens to a lot of people right and that's what happened in midlife right a lot guys in mid life They have an anima projection and they feel like I can't live without this person Because it's a connection to their own soul your anima represents your soul And so it's the end you're likely how could I how can I you know disavow my own this this relationship? Because it feels like if I do I'll die and it's their first connection to their own self, a religious rejoining of their conscious mind with their unconscious mind.

70:00And so Carl Jung knew we had a soul, knew there's a God, which Freud was totally against all that. Freud was afraid that people would not take them seriously and dismiss them as mystics and whatever.

70:14And Jung wasn't.

70:15Jung had mystical experiences.

70:17He had direct experiences of the divine.

70:21And he sobbed the people at the clergy when he was a kid that didn't, he saw that they didn't. He knew he had direct experience. If you read Memories, Dreams, Reflections, he talks about That is autobiography.

70:33Yeah, he talks about how the clergy, they were just, they're all empty, especially his father.

70:39And he would, when he would question it, his father was like, he didn't have answers, and he didn't want him to talk about it.

70:45And he could see how empty they were, that they was, there was just dogma that didn't, they didn't have direct experience of the die.

70:52And I've had that since I started I'm reading Young, and so I've been going inward, right?

71:02So Jung says, he who looks outward dreams, he goes inward, awakens.

71:08And so I have a direct connection to the divine.

71:12I've had numinous experiences.

71:16And what's a numinist experience?

71:18It's like a sacred spiritual happening that kind of happens to you against your own will.

71:27And it takes you over, Right?

71:29If in And that's, I experienced that like when I quit smoking pot, people like, why'd you quit smoking a pot? I'm like, I don't know, I felt like there was some outside force telling me to do it.

71:37And it was hard.

71:38So people who say that marijuana isn't addictive, it is.

71:41I was at least six months before I could sleep and it was horrible. I was in bad shape and I just knew I had to quit.

71:48How did you know?

71:50Again, like I said, I just had this outside, I felt there was something guiding me to this.

71:55And so I did.

71:56And, you know, your dreams...

71:59Are your psyche, or as Jung would call it, the self with a capital S, meaning, you know, the divine talking to you and speaking to you in symbols.

72:10And we share a collective, so you have a personal unconscious, right?

72:15The things that you personally split off from your own personality and put in your unconscious and your shadow.

72:21And then you have collective unconscious, which Joseph Campbell also talked about.

72:26And my first entree into this was Joseph Campbell, He talked about how you know different societies who had no way of connecting with each other Use the same symbolism to explain life and the spiritual Literally, in a way that's spooky, I mean, it's shocking.

72:42Jung figured that out that we have a collective unconscious, meaning there's only one consciousness, right?

72:49So, there's not your consciousness and then God-conscious.

72:54There's just one consciousness and we're part of it.

72:57And the fact that you think you're separate from it is a mistake.

73:01And so, we're a part of that.

73:03And as we evolve our consciousness, we evolve the world's consciousness, right? Because we all share a collective unconscious.

73:10And one of the ways he figured it out was that he would have dreams and there'd be symbols in his dreams.

73:16And he didn't know what they meant, but he could tell that they were meaningful.

73:20And then he was reading about the alchemists.

73:24Now, everybody thought the alchemyists were trying to turn lead into gold, but what they were really trying to do was turn psychological lead into a gold. And they had to do it to hide it from the church.

73:33So he they had figured out what some of these symbols meant and he saw them right about the symbols that he was seeing In his own dreams and he was like, oh my god, I'd never read this before How would I know about this symbol to show up in my so that's when he started to figure out that we all share A consciousness that there is one consciousness. There's the one and So it's it's pretty heavy glimpses of that, I think, occasionally.

73:57People in the course of daily life get just a flash that somehow there's a connection between all peoples.

74:04There is only, you know, it's like we're hairs on the human head thinking we're separate, right?

74:10They're all, you're all part of the same head, you all part in the same body. It's all, we're all a part of same consciousness.

74:14There's only one.

74:16And so, and we've, you, know, split ourselves off from it. We split that into our own conscious. And so if you go into your own conscious, and one of the great ways is to go into your dreams and see what they're saying to you and treat it and, you know like Rumi said, what you seek, seeks you.

74:34And so the more attention you pay to your unconscious, the more it will rise up to meet you.

74:41And so I've had numinous experiences, I've experienced the divine, I've experience my encounters with archetypal figures in my dreams that have guided me.

74:52How did quitting smoking pot after so many years affect your dreams?

74:56Well, they became way more vivid and more often.

75:00Really? Oh yeah, yeah.

75:02And so I speak with a Jungian psychoanalyst once a week and he used to be the head of the Jung Center in Los Angeles and he's remarked to me often that you're one of the most prolific dreamers that I've ever encountered.

75:21And often when I'm telling him about dreams, he'll just go, oh my God. Like he says that a lot.

75:27And so it's been a real awakening.

75:29And I realized that I'm not separate from the divine.

75:33I realize that I am not this body, that I have an eternal soul.

75:38And even though this body dies, that I don't die.

75:42That death is not the opposite of life.

75:45Death is the opposite of birth.

75:46Life has no opposite.

75:48It's eternal.

75:50And so once you realize that, that changes a lot of things.

75:52Like what?

75:54It changes how I look at everything.

75:56I look at the oneness of everything.

75:59I look that this isn't permanent.

76:01This body is not permanent.

76:04That I have an everlasting soul that I have to pay attention to.

76:07That I need to get in touch with.

76:09And it fills my life with real meaning.

76:11And...

76:13You know part of it too is this is your most radical position of all the radical things you said since we sat down this is the most counterculture thing you could say Well, people think they need a priest or they need a preacher or a church, which is all good.

76:25The community is good, but you don't need them because you already have a connection to the divine within you.

76:32And that's where you need to go.

76:33And once you realize that, then you don't need them. That's why they don't tell you about that.

76:38And Jesus said that, where did he say the kingdom of heaven is, Tucker?

76:43The kingdom of Heaven is in you.

76:45You are the light of the world.

76:47And what I do, you will do and greater. And And and people they don't they don't need you to know that which is why they get rid of the parts of the bible that talk about that kind of thing and uh, so it's it's uh I I I was a you know, I was the sam harris atheist for a while.

77:05I was grown up catholic Went to catholic school for 12 years It never spoke to me and the people who seem to be most catholic seem not to really embody it, you know And so I was, I was an atheist.

77:21I thought, I thought this was it.

77:22This is it. And when you're dead, you're dead.

77:24And, and now I realized, no, this is what changed your mind.

77:28That's a big change.

77:30Well, I had this big dream.

77:32Um, it, it usually starts with a big dream, so I had this dream I was kneeling down in front of my house, in front of the bushes, I had a fish hook on a string.

77:43And I was drying it through the dirt in front of my bushes.

77:46And in my dream, I'm thinking, what am I doing?

77:48What am I looking for?

77:49And then I saw underneath the dirt, I saw it start moving, like there was an animal underneath there.

77:53And I was like, what the heck?

77:55And all of a sudden, this black cat emerged and it was all grimy and it had like an oil-like substance on it.

78:02And I'm like, how could it be even breathing? How could it under there for so long and not be dead?

78:07And then it got up and walked around. I'm, like, well, it's okay.

78:10It's alive and willing.

78:11And so...

78:13So I knew that meant something, I didn't know what, I sought out, I started reading Jung, I sought Rebecca Eigen who helped me understand Jung, I got a Jungian analysis.

78:27And so that was, you know, what you seek is seeking you.

78:30That was the divine, the unconscious telling me, you're ready. You're ready to go into your darkness. You're already go into your shadow, you're ready to go in to your unconscious. You don't know what you're going to find there.

78:41And it's probably going to be scary and you don't want to find it, but it's there and it's ready for you to now take the next step in your conscious evolution.

78:49And so here I am and I'm doing it.

78:53That's what kind of reaction do you.

78:54You get from your friends.

78:58Um They don't know really they don't really say, you know, I I don't Really have these kind of conversations very often.

79:03I have them on my podcast with people Uh, like there's um, I have a book club where we read carl young and we go through it and we talk about it It's really it's it's my favorite thing to do in the world. If I could just do that. I would just do You would just read Carl Jung and talk about it.

79:18Carl Jung and talk about it because that's what it's really all about Yeah, that's so different from the world you've lived in though.

79:27Yeah, a hundred percent Yeah, again, I was an atheist.

79:30I didn't know.

79:32I asked Carl Jung, is there a God?

79:34Do you believe in God?

79:35He said, I don't believe I know, because he experienced God.

79:38From 1913 to 1917, I've described it as he could give himself a psychedelic trip in a way.

79:48He could somehow consciously access his unconscious.

79:52He could meet the archetypal figures in your unconscious, your anima.

79:57If you're a male, Your soul, he would say, is your anima, which is your female, your feeling function.

80:03It's real and it's autonomous and it is in your unconscious.

80:07And if you're a female, it's your animah, which is the male counterpart.

80:11And so he encountered these, these figures in his, and I've encountered some of them, so I had one of those experiences.

80:19So, um, you know, it was scary to, it is scary to go into your shadow and the things you hate about yourself that you realize you've been projecting out to other people.

80:27Yes. And so, the idea is that we're going to be able to do that.

80:29Boy, that's so familiar to anyone who's self-aware.

80:34We all do that.

80:36So the idea is you make it conscious, this darkness, this part of you that you hate, you make conscious and you integrate.

80:44You don't judge it because it's also positive in a sense.

80:49And you integrate it into your conscious mind so you don't have to project it on anybody anymore.

80:55And your consciousness is raised.

80:57So that goal isn't to become a better person, the goal is to become more whole person and not split off from who you are.

81:05And so that's a, to me, that's the goal to be, to make the unconscious conscious integrated.

81:12And even though you might think it's a bad part of yourself, like, you know, I've been dealing with the unrestrained masculine, right?

81:18Which causes fights and me to be extra aggressive when I don't need to be.

81:23And, but you need that part.

81:24You need to able to set boundaries and to be able to be angry when you need it.

81:29But you need to aware that where it's coming from, so it doesn't come out sideways and wreck your life.

81:35And even if you think it's negative, it's good in a sense.

81:40For instance, right?

81:41So the part, look, I always give the example of, so like you have this, you know, you have shit in your uncaused odds.

81:47That stuff is smelly and dirty.

81:48I don't want to know that it's part of me.

81:50But, and what helps a rose grow?

81:53You need manure.

81:55Yes.

81:56And so out of manure comes a beautiful rose. So you just have to know how to use it, right.

82:01Just like electricity.

82:04I don't know, I'm not an electrician, so if I tried to wire your house, it'd burn down, right?

82:08But if somebody knows how to do it, it'll light up the whole house and the whole world, right?

82:12So you gotta know how to use it.

82:14And so it's that power, so that darkness comes creativity, and it also can help you blossom.

82:19And the idea, again, is to become whole.

82:24And most people don't do it.

82:26It's hard work, because you don't want to see.

82:28And a lot of guilt comes with it, right, because because you find out that in your past...

82:34You've done things that hurt your own soul and you feel guilty about it.

82:40And I've, I've had that right where I've realized through my dreams that I've prioritized career or material possessions over my own soul.

82:53And the overwhelming guilt that I felt in my dreams and Jung talks about this, that part of becoming conscious is being able to handle guilt. And I just, I was like, Oh my God.

83:05And so it's, it's people don't want to do this work because it's painful.

83:10Right. And they don't teach this and they teach, uh, they teach Freud cause it's easier.

83:15And it's materialism.

83:16They don't get it. They don't teach Jung, Carl Jung was about, you know, your soul and your religious experience, your numinous experience, the encounter with the divine, and if you don't have that, you're going to project it just like people did during COVID.

83:30It does seem, I'm not alleging a conspiracy, but there is a concerted, organized effort to eliminate any consideration of the transcendent, the eternal, the divine from people's consciousness.

83:42Like it's never mentioned, it's considered a crackpot, even to talk about that, the idea that there's a world that we can't see that's meaningful, that we're connected in any way other than physically.

83:55I mean, I don't think there's ever been a society as determined to deny.

84:00The Eternal as ours is.

84:02Well, there's this guy, his name is Bill Donahue, and he's dead now, but he talked about that everybody says they believe in, you know, spirits and the Lord and the Holy Spirit and angels.

84:19And then when they show up, you're like, oh, it's crazy.

84:22Right.

84:23Exactly.

84:24And I was like, yeah, that's exactly what they do.

84:27But just don't forget, The kingdom of heaven is inside you.

84:30It's not outside you, it's inside you You are the light of the world.

84:36When did this come to you?

84:38It was right before COVID was right. When COVID started, I had that big dream and then I started to go into my unconscious.

84:46Do you notice people around you starting to ask questions have thoughts like this?

84:50It does feel like more people are thinking about it.

84:52I have noticed, you know, unfortunately, yes, but they have questions, but the answers are in the wrong places, you now, and they go into organized religion.

85:04And I think, you again, I'm not here to put down religion.

85:07I think people need community.

85:09But you know too often, it's about control and that you need to get to God, you need to come through me, which is, you don't. You don't need anybody or anything. You have a connection to the divine and it's inside, it's not external.

85:27Everyone feels that on some level.

85:29Okay, so I want to end by asking- I'm not an expert on any of this stuff, by the way. Oh, I'm neither.

85:33Oh my gosh. I just know what I've experienced.

85:35It's just kind of weird speaking of the collective consciousness that a lot of people I know, like more than 10, started having thoughts like this right around or just before COVID.

85:46Okay. Almost like people were being prepared for what was coming and gaining a new vocabulary with which to explain it and understand it.

85:56People who had never thought about anything like this at all, who were totally wrapped up in material concerns, like the ones you mentioned, accumulating wealth, succeeding at work, just whatever, what we're trained to do.

86:08A lot of people I know, all of a sudden, are like, hmm, praying? Maybe that's a real thing.

86:14Maybe I should listen to voices whose sources I can't see.

86:19Stuff like that.

86:20Yeah.

86:21Again, you know, Carl Jung realized at a young age that he had thoughts that he didn't think himself that he was placed in his head by God, and he had direct experience with God. And so I've had those experiences and not only.

86:41Do I experience God in my dreams?

86:43But I realized that everything is a reflection of God.

86:46Everything is God in in my conscious life and my unconscious life.

86:49God is everywhere, everything.

86:51The kingdom of heaven is laid upon the earth, but the eyes of men don't see it.

86:56So it's now, you know, now is the time to meet God, to know the divine and to know your true identity.

87:08It's scary, you know, to do that. I had this dream.

87:16I had several dreams that completely changed my life. One of them, at the beginning, I was scared, you know, of this journey.

87:23And I was in the jungle, there was a clearing in the journal and I was sitting there and out from the jungle came this like, it was like half human, half ape, but the head was like a lion.

87:36And I like, and it came over to me and it put his hand out and I like oh, it's gonna crush me.

87:42You know, I'm afraid it's going to crush me, but it took my hand very gently.

87:46And walked me into the jungle.

87:48And I'm like, what the hell is this, you know?

87:52And a couple of weeks later, I'm reading a book and there was that symbol that the lion face, the half face, I was like what? And it's a Mithraic, that's called a Muthraic God.

88:03And so that's part of the collective unconscious. That's like this archetype that we all share in our collective unconscious, we're one consciousness that we share.

88:11And I was, oh my God.

88:12And so I interpreted that to mean that Um, it's okay.

88:18It's going to be safe to go into the jungle of your unconscious and I'll be there with you to help you and guide you.

88:25And it, you know, so that was just one thing. I have many things like that. That's one of them.

88:30And when I saw that picture, I'm like, Oh my God, that was the thing of my dream.

88:34And so that's one those things.

88:35I had no knowledge of that.

88:36I'd never seen a picture of that before. I never, and, but there wasn't my dream in a meaningful way.

88:43That's why it was wild.

88:44I know people think you're crazy when you talk about this stuff.

88:46No, yeah, on one level for sure it's, it's forbidden.

88:50It's way more forbidden than criticizing Israel.

88:53I mean, this is the actual, no, it true though. This is the actually third rail, I think, is to admit that you've had experiences with the divine or with a realm that's not physical or people are like, come on now.

89:07But everyone knows it's true.

89:09Yep.

89:10And again, I go back to everybody, you know, believes in the Holy Spirit, everybody believes, but then when it shows up, I'm like, oh, what are you, nuts?

89:17You think you talk to spirits and stuff like that?

89:20Yeah, other countries are different. It's like, yeah, of course, of you do.

89:24So let me just ask you about this country or the West more, you know, the liberal democracies that resemble ours, every one of them is coming apart.

89:33Every one of the has reached kind of the end of a life cycle.

89:36They're not serving their people at all. All of this is, this whole project is being.

89:40They've become the fascists that they were supposed to be.

89:43They're canceling elections when they don't turn out the way they want.

89:47You know, they're doing austerity now in Europe and they're ratcheting up for a war with Russia.

89:53Jeffrey Sachs just wrote an open letter to Germany, like, hey, stop this.

89:59I know. And they'll ignore him because- And of course they will.

90:02Yeah, what a good man he is.

90:04Yeah, liberal democracy has turned out to be neither liberal nor democratic.

90:08They're illiberal.

90:09They're iliberal and undemocratic.

90:11Just like they proved during COVID.

90:13Yes, exactly.

90:14They immediately censorship, shut up, don't ask questions, don't talk against the establishment and take an experimental medical treatment against your own will or you can't go to work, you can travel, you can go to school.

90:26That's Nazi stuff.

90:27Oh, of course. And again, if it works, you take it.

90:30Why do you need me to take it?

90:31So the medicine works on you.

90:33That never made any sense.

90:34It will never make any sense because actually it's not your body or your choice. Well, they stop saying so you stop.

90:40You notice that around COVID.

90:42They stop saying I'm pro choice and they literally started saying I am pro abortion.

90:46I know, I know.

90:47That's what I was like, I'm out.

90:49Whatever this is, is too dark for me.

90:53But, okay, so all of this, I think, thanks in part to your tireless efforts for the past six years, is now pretty obvious to most people who are paying attention that this system is fake, it's not serving its intended beneficiaries, and it's kind of over.

91:07So then the question becomes, well, what next? And how do we get there?

91:10And the two potential paths are violent revolution, which I'm opposed to, or, somehow using this broken system to improve or replace the broken system.

91:21Yeah.

91:22And, what.

91:24Well, Larry Fink is afraid of a violent revolution.

91:27They're all afraid of it.

91:28He said that they're going to start drone bombing these data centers.

91:32He's afraid of that.

91:33Oh, I know.

91:34Yeah. Yeah.

91:35Cause they, cause they know how hated they are.

91:37You know, and they did the and Jeff, Jeff Bezos did this softball interview with CNBC last week or two weeks ago.

91:45And he talked about how if I pay more taxes is not going to help the nurse in Queens and all that stuff, you know, because if I do my job right, it's going to help people more than my philanthropy, right?

91:54Oh, really? If you do your job right. You know what the turnover rate in an Amazon fulfillment center is? Hundred and fifty percent.

92:02Yeah, 100 to 150 percent every year.

92:05So that means every eight months.

92:06100% new workers.

92:09And so why do one third of your workers, the richest guy in the world, are on government assistance?

92:14Why am I subsidizing your employees?

92:16That's exactly right.

92:17Same thing, you know, same thing you hear about Walmart.

92:18This is the country we've devolved into when you have a government for the oligarchs and the workers get screwed.

92:25So that's where we're in.

92:27And exactly what I said before, the... Oh, bless you.

92:29Excuse me. The only way to do this is if people realize that they have a common humanity with their neighbor Don't fall for it that your neighbor is the white supremacist nazi Uh racist that you have to oppose and that they're the enemy No, they're again suffering under the same conditions you're suffering under join with them oppose those people The wef globalists who actually run everything. You know, it's funny people talk about communism.

92:55You don't get choice people think back to But capitalism has led us to the same thing.

93:00There's three companies that own everything, Vanguard, State Street, and BlackRock. That's the real boss.

93:05Trump has a boss.

93:06And I try to tell people that the Congress is that they're not doing the bidding.

93:12When they have a session of Congress, people go, oh, do you think they have secret meetings where they plan this stuff?

93:16Well, yes, actually they do.

93:18It's called Davos, it's called the Bilderbergs, now we know that's real, people just think that was crazy. Big time.

93:24But I used to say, no it's just a session of Congress.

93:28You think when they get together they're doing the bidding of students or workers or the elderly, they're in there doing the bidding of the oligarchs, the donor class, the people who actually run, they are bosses and it ain't you.

93:40That's just a fact.

93:42That's no longer, I don't think there's a single word you just uttered that could be quibbled with even. It's just, it's all proven now. But because it is proven, that means it can't continue under the current terms.

93:54So I don't think given everything you've said, you want violence, but is it inevitable?

94:00Like, how do we get out of this?

94:01Well, J.M.E. On John F.

94:02Kennedy said those who make a peaceful revolution impossible make a violent revolution inevitable, right? Or some version of that?

94:09Well, it's certainly true.

94:10And so, you know, we have more guns in this country than people.

94:13So in a sense that's good because the government is supposed to fear the people that the other way around. When exactly, when you fear your government, that's tyranny.

94:20And right now I think people do fear their government. Yes.

94:22Again, I'm not calling for a violent revolution, but, uh, I, you know, I think we, if workers come together, you have to shut down the machine and if you can shut down, the machine in a meaningful way.

94:35If all the truckers stop trucking, if all the railroad workers stop going to work, the port workers, that's how you gain control of your...

94:43But you see, they gave them the port workers. They gave them a nice contract right before Trump got into office.

94:47So they see it coming.

94:49Right? And so they're, they get there. Oh, we don't want them to get upset. We don't them to.

94:53So, or if all the teachers didn't go to work, if all grocery store workers didn't got to work.

94:58You know, that's the only way. If you, if, if anybody else has another idea, let me know, I'll be all for it.

95:04But to me, that's, the way that that history proves that you can have peaceful revolution.

95:10I would just correct you on the no teachers, we actually did have a time for over a year when the teachers didn't go to work and the people in charge really enjoyed it because ignorant kids mean more viable kids.

95:24But true critical functions, if they stop working, maybe will force people to pay attention, I guess.

95:32I'm really Remember who the essential workers are, right? It's not middle management.

95:35No, is it.

95:38The consultant class?

95:39No, it is not. Oh, it's not?

95:40It's not the professional managerial class.

95:43What about the private equity people there?

95:45No, they are not essential.

95:47You couldn't I don't even know if you could have a tax protest now because the government isn't funded through taxes, right?

95:53They just print the money exactly Did you see that video where they asked I forget the guy's name, but it was Joe Biden's economic advisor And as someone that said hey if we print our own money, why do we borrow it?

96:03And he was like for five minutes.

96:04He's like, well, that's good.

96:05Well, we print money.

96:06We definitely print money We definitely borrow money And he goes, I don't know that's a good question. He couldn't answer the question. You ever see that but I've actually wondered myself.

96:18I wonder it too.

96:19They just create money, quantitative easing, they just invent it.

96:23Of course, they don't give that money to you. No, it gives it to the banks. And so what people don't realize, people fear socialism, because they fear it's going to take money from the haves and give it to the have-nots.

96:33But what our version of capitalism has done, this oligarchy, it's an upward transfer of wealth.

96:40That's what happened during COVID.

96:42How many billionaires got invented?

96:44And it's continuing.

96:45It's an upward transfer of wealth.

96:47From the working class to the oligarchs.

96:51That's where we're in right now with three companies that run everything.

96:54So again, I don't see that as overstatement.

96:58Like I think that's just true what you said.

97:00So I don't know, I'm very concerned because I do think the people who are benefiting are so rigid, that's the main thing I notice, how rigid they are. They can't handle any disagreement whatsoever.

97:14No, like Teddy Roosevelt rolls in and he's like a product of the ruling class. He is the ruling-class.

97:19He becomes president by default.

97:20The president's assassinated 1901 And then he becomes resilient, he's like, look. This system will collapse unless we give a little bit.

97:28And he was the only president of American history able to make that case. And he kind of did adjust it enough that it continued another, well, 125 years.

97:37But I don't see the current rulers as capable of that kind of subtlety or sacrifice or nuance or even just like intelligence.

97:47They're too stupid to understand.

97:49They're screwing themselves by being this rigid.

97:53My view.

97:53Well, it's the, you know, um, also FDR saw that there was a revolution of the workers and he was afraid that he told his ruling class, Hey, this is coming here.

98:03If you don't give people some of your money, if you don't give them some of their money, they're going to take all of your money.

98:07Yes. And so he gave people jobs.

98:09He created the jobs program and created social security and CCC.

98:13Yes, and things like that.

98:14And, uh, but then they also at the same time went on a tear to get rid of the communists, right?

98:19And because they were a very force for the so you not that anybody's for communism, but indeed that kind of counterbalance and the economic populace above all.

98:27That's right.

98:28So Huey Long somehow gets assassinated before the 1936 presidential campaign by his own bodyguards.

98:34Kind of weird.

98:36Um, sorry, excuse me, but, uh, but I just w but, but either one, either Roosevelt, you know, they're different, but like they had the same impulse, which is this system is out of whack and it's going to get taken down by force unless we adjust it a little bit.

98:54And I don't see the current, I don't see Larry Fink is capable of doing that. Do you?

98:58Quite the opposite, right.

99:00It's more, you know, capitalism always at the end stage devolves into fascism, which is where we are.

99:07The surveillance state, these data centers, flock cameras, they built 80 billion dollars for ICE to get the illegal immigrants.

99:15By the way, they're not.

99:17I know.

99:18So what is that police force?

99:20It's for you!

99:21Right and so when you wake up and so now they're gonna make you a terrorist you're gonna you're going to be an anti Technological terrorist just like they had echo terrorists people who've and so you're Gonna be the terrorists and those prisons are for you because they're not getting they want the illegal immigrants here because they want cheap Labor that's always a joke. They're not get rid of them That's all all that stuff where they're shooting people that's all for show, right?

99:43That's not that you are the target And that's what those prisons are for. And, you know, we got their own private Gestapo called ICE.

99:51And what could go wrong?

99:52You take 50,000 TGI Friday bouncers and give them guns, masks, and unmarked cars and turn them loose.

99:58Well, because the truth is that illegal immigrants, you know, the guys like hiring at a day rate out of, you know Home Depot parking lot, you know there's a lot of drunk driving, but in general, not that unruly a group.

100:12Correct, those are people looking to work. You know who's unruley is like you, you're unruely.

100:16No, I'm serious.

100:17You're born here, you have a birthright, you feel totally entitled to demand that your government serve your interests because you own the government, like you're a huge problem.

100:27And you and people like you.

100:29Well, that's why they tapped into my phone using Pegasus.

100:32Actually, yeah, that actually happened. So when I spoke at the UN Security Council, I did it via Zoom. I was in Italy at the time and it was on the anniversary of the Nord Stream pipeline bombing, and so they they asked me to speak Russia.

100:48And so I accepted and I gave a speech and I gave it to him, you know, like you're all dupes and idiots if you think that this was done by Russia and the fact that.

100:57You know, Germany would bend their knee and let them to wreck their own economy. Now they're paying two and three times higher for air and to go along with this. And you're all morons. And I basically use that language. And so on the plane ride home on my had my laptop.

101:10At that time, I used to travel with my laptop, I don't anymore.

101:13And it said MacBook, the now controls your iCloud account.

101:18And I was like, what, what is this?

101:19I don't even know what the heck.

101:21So I get off, I call my I.T.

101:22Guy.

101:23Who is a former military intelligence, right?

101:27And his whole job is to try to crack into companies computer system to find vulnerabilities.

101:32So I call him and I tell him, I go, hey, did this happen? And he goes, oh my God, Jimmy, even I couldn't do that.

101:37And I said, what, what?

101:39And so I give him my computer, I give them my phone and he said, that was Pegasus.

101:44And I go well, who did this?

101:45He goes, it wasn't a person.

101:47No. As this was a state after.

101:50And I was like, and so it happened immediately after I testified.

101:53At the UN UN Security Council, and so that's why I have two phones now, right?

101:58So one's the phone.

101:58So now they got me Kurt Tucker, by the way, if I ever become a threat they got Me they either have all my compromising material and my icon on my computer on my phone or they planted something Because what it's so they got, me right so I got it So if you you'll know if I'm arrested or if some big scandal comes out It's because I now have become an actual threat No, that's so true.

102:24I did an interview with Glenn Greenwald the last summer here and he was tough on the foreign policy questions and tough on Netanyahu literally the next day.

102:35That's that's exactly right This tape comes out of a super embarrassing Glenn Greenwald sex tape, which I didn't watch, but I just wanna say how much I love Glenn.

102:44Those aren't connected?

102:46Of course, I know immediately.

102:47By the way, the first person to defend him, the first to defend was Charlie Kirk, which is just incredible.

102:54Charlie Kirk.

102:54Charlie Kirk, the new Seth Rich, you're not allowed to ask questions about that.

102:56Charlie Kirk is an evangelical, pretty darn anti-gay, and then Glenn Greenwald comes out with a gay sex tape, and Charlie Kirk was the first guy to be like, Glenn Greenwold's a good man.

103:09Man, I thought that was, ah, makes me emotional thinking about it.

103:13Yeah, I mean Charlie had started to have an awakening.

103:16Oh, you think he had a lot younger than I had it Yeah, and so that's why they had to kill him and uh, and when I say they I mean multiple There was a conspiracy to kill them. It wasn't some guy Tyler Robinson with his grandpa's rifle Which was never fired, which is why they couldn't find that rifle.

103:32You have to swallow so much stuff To believe the story that the establishment is pushing for Charlie Kirk's assassination You have to think that this first of all a 30-06 bullet Didn't take his head clean off or leave a drive-through window into back of his neck somehow He had a miracle he could his miracle bullet. Remember that hey, uh, Can can you give me an explanation of why his head didn't blow off without a miracle?

103:56Do you have an actual explanation?

103:58No So, but it goes back to, so this guy gets to the campus, he drives three, all of a sudden he wakes up one day and goes, you know what? I'm going to commit the biggest public assassination in the last 60 years.

104:09He drives to the canvas.

104:10He finds the open stairwell.

104:12It's an open.

104:13Nobody's there.

104:14He brings the gun up, but It's too big. So he has to take it apart and put it in his backpack.

104:18Still too big for his backpack, so he has put it down his pant legs, is what they tell. But then if he did, he couldn't jump, go up the steps because he couldn't bend his knees.

104:25So I don't know how he got it up there. Nobody will tell me.

104:27So he gets up there and then he changes his clothes.

104:29He's up on top of that roof for 10 minutes. That's according to the governor. He was up there for eight to 10 minutes, nobody sees him.

104:35The cops don't see him.

104:36The million dollar security team doesn't see them.

104:39Nobody sees them except people in the crowd did see him And they don't tell you that people just like in Butler, Pennsylvania people the crowd saw him Guess who didn't see him the cops the local cops the state cops the secret service people see it So um, and then he like so he puts the gun together He lines up the shot puts a scope on it By the way, if that scope was on and he couldn't fire that gun because of the same anyway So he slides it up takes the shot hits it.

105:02Perfect.

105:03Perfectly takes the gun apart leaves the screwdriver there puts it under a towel spider-man's his way off the top of the building runs across campus with the gun apparently under towel nobody sees this he runs into the woods puts the gun back together again without the screwdrivers irregular MacGyver this guy and then he hides the gun in the backyard of a house owned by Palantir and if you think anything else besides that you're a crazy Jew-hating conspiracy nut Do you know that they had the gun sniffing dogs, right?

105:37Which they can sniff a gun that was fired a week earlier in the rain, right.

105:42They were looking all over, they didn't find it.

105:44The FBI shows up, a minute later, we got the gun.

105:48Did you know? No.

105:49Yeah, Baron Coleman's been doing great work on this and he got the police transmitter, all that stuff. He got that, that's available.

105:57And so it wasn't until the FBI showed up. Oh, well, we got it.

106:00The local police couldn't find it.

106:02And the dog sniffers couldn't fight it. They can find it and they couldn't. But then the FBI show up, but they found it in the exact place.

106:09So, and now they wouldn't even release that to the defense team.

106:12They're still holding on to it.

106:13And then of course the, then he decides to text his lover instead of waiting for him to get home.

106:19It's only a three hour drive.

106:20He's like, you know what?

106:21He said, I wanted to take this, I wanted it to take the secret to my grave. First of all, he talks like he's reading a, uh, he's writing a Jane Austen novel, my love!

106:31And then he says I wanted to take this secret to my grave, but fuck it I'm just gonna I'm gonna leave it here on a text message to you So the FBI can find it and so what was supposed to happen was he was supposed To go out in a blaze of glory you because the original text messages that they said he wrote said I don't want to go to prison.

106:53I'm not gonna go out.

106:54I don't want to be dragged through the courts I'm going to go so he was suppose to get shot just like in Butler Crooks and but he was s'posed to get killed He didn't he went and turned himself in which screwed up their plan And so they had to rewrite those text messages. Did you know that there's text messages one and text messages 2.0?

107:12So they had the rewrite this.

107:13Yeah, that's all.

107:15And they said that he confessed on Discord or on Reddit.

107:20And of course, now we know for a fact that he was already in custody when they said he did that. So what guy shows up, turns himself in, pleads the fifth, I'm not talking to the cops until my lawyer gets there. But then he goes on the internet and gives a confession. Okay, so this is obviously a setup and you're not allowed to ask questions about it and if you are you are attacking a grieving widow And that's, uh, again, when did Jackie over, say, quit looking in, stop, quit looking into who killed my husband.

107:47Never. That's not what happens.

107:49And that, so how you grieve, by the way, I remember when my dad died, my mom immediately bought a gold sequined pants outfit, started carrying sparklers around and selling t-shirts.

107:58And my friends are like, Jimmy, what's with your mom? I'm like, she's grieving.

108:02So, uh I'll just leave that there.

108:04And so, you know, Dan Bongino.

108:07Um who was who famously said don't ever stop talking about the epstein files He gets in a position of power to do something about it. And now he changes his tune to say Oh, i'm supposed to I was there to do my job, which is to keep custody of the evidence No, you weren't there to keep Custody of the evident you were there to put in custody for the people who are in that evidence you fucking phony Anyway, I get upset You have every reason to.

108:34So we're being lied to on a massive scale. The one guy who was credited with stopping the Iran War the first time, they had to get him out of there. And he had realized that he had woken up and his his his organization is a Zionist operation as it was from the beginning.

108:49And he woke up to that.

108:51He was living in a Truman show.

108:52And he called it.

108:53He orders an investigation, a Doge style investigation into the accounting. Because there's all if you look into it, Wolves of Finance is a YouTube channel who's really explored all this about all the shady financial stuff that was happening inside TPUSA so they all had motive to come that to not only be a part of it, but to cover it up and And and and so he orders that he turns down their money He turned they they all lie that he said they're gonna kill me the they and Candice Owens It proves that the text messages were there then and by the way, why does the FBI not have control of his phone?

109:28Why would they give it to us?

109:29This none of this all of it met none of it makes sense.

109:32So this is all a big Psyop.

109:34It's a Psy it's a Zionist organization. He had realized that he had realized what Zionism was He realized that that the Israel was not in our best interest that they're not our greatest ally and they had to get it So they tried everything they tried and in some reports said they were off from a billion dollars to his organization And he turned it down and if you can turn that down, there's only one thing left to do and that's to kill you And it said And you're just like Seth Rich, you're not allowed to ask questions.

110:02And when you're not allowed to ask, hey, if you if Candace Owens is crazy nuts, then keep let her talk.

110:07Give her enough rope to hang herself. Keep it going.

110:10Just like Brian Harpel did on that CIA guys podcast.

110:13He gave him enough rope to hang himself and he hung himself several times on that day.

110:18What a used car salesman that Brian Harpels, I spent thousands of dollars. They didn't have drone coverage. He pretends they didn't have drone courage.

110:25Well, Frank Turek says they were watching the drone coverage on their own phones as they pulled up to the event.

110:30So they're lying back and forth all over the place. They didn't have security watching the roof.

110:35They don't have security watches.

110:37Well, the local police were supposed to take care of it. How could you get that? OK.

110:41So it's a it's it's set up.

110:43It's a lie.

110:44And just like Seth Rich and Charlie said, just like we learned during Covid, keep asking questions because it's the only thing that keeps us free.

110:53And now they've completely flipped his message.

110:56Stop. Just stop stop asking questions.

110:59That was his whole mo That was this whole motive that was the reason for his raison d'etre was asked questions Exactly, and now you're not supposed to and I tell people you see these social media influencers out there telling you that Candice is evil or demonic and stop it happened exactly the way cash Patel said it did if anybody's telling you That they are corrupted on the take and they're your enemy and do not listen to them Because those people are not there to help you or to help bring you information.

111:28They're there to propagandize you and keep you shut up and compliant.

111:32The great Jimmy Dore.

111:34Wow, you just wound me up.

111:36Okay. I'm gonna need to walk around.

111:38Thank you. Okay.

111:39It's great to see you as always.

111:40God bless you.

111:41You too.