0:01I got you off the subject cuz we were talking about the MIT guy. So, >> Yes.
0:04>> the just real quick as as a review for people who didn't see us break down the whole thing. The Novartis guy, his mom dies a month before. He's an only child.
0:14He's 45. He's married, but no kids. And his dad an hour after his mom died has a heart attack and dies in his arms, and he was depressed.
0:22>> That's That's correct. That So, basically he worked for Novartis. His wife said he was very depressed because of his parents. And he had been He'd been struggling. That That's what she said. I mean, there there is a article on People, I believe. It's just it kind of lays it all out for you. Also through a a local affiliate as well. And again, he had no ties to the government, no crazy security clearance. I mean, I think that's just you can very very tragic, but I don't think you can group that in with with the others.
0:53>> into this?
0:54>> I don't know. This was the Daily Mail who sort of put it all together initially.
1:00>> I feel And And that's the thing, and that's what hurts stories like this.
1:03That's why it's good to go case by case and and be realistic about it, too, cuz it's like I guess the headline is sexier when it's 11 missing scientists instead of 10. And it's definitely sexier than saying six missing scientists and five people who are related to places that could have scientists.
1:19>> I get it, but I think it's way more interesting just kind of sticking with Reza and McCaslin because that I just Yeah, [snorts] I I don't see the the issue with that. I I don't.
1:31>> Well, let let's go through the three who are definitely not scientists who are with Los Alamos and the Kansas City Nuclear Laboratory. So, starting with with Miss Casias.
1:43>> Yes.
1:43>> She She has She decides to work remote one day, gets lunch with her daughter.
1:49>> She forgot her badge or something like that, she said. Um it wasn't, you know, but it wasn't anything wasn't anything crazy. Um She was last seen walking along the highway after Yeah, after bringing her daughter lunch, I guess. And so, the thing about this one with Melissa Cassias or Casillas, I'm sorry if I'm mispronouncing that.
2:10>> Okay.
2:11You know, she was in an administrative role. Typically, they don't have a very high security clearance. There was a Dateline episode about her.
2:21Again, typically, you're not going to do a Dateline episode on somebody who was taken out by the government.
2:29>> episode?
2:29>> This is 2025. Or here, let me find um >> So, she has a Dateline episode.
2:42>> Yeah.
2:44Or maybe Here, here's the article from Dateline.
2:48Um So, if you read I don't know, should I send this to one of you guys?
2:52>> Yeah, can you send it to JoeyD@gmail.com?
2:55He'll pull it up. Exactly how it sounds.
2:59>> D E F >> Yep.
3:01>> Oh.
3:02I already have your email.
3:04>> That's well.
3:06>> Well, he's probably on the >> Oh, that's right. Okay.
3:09>> [laughter] >> It never comes up for me when I do that.
3:12Yeah, Taos, New Mexico.
3:13>> already have it. Okay, yeah.
3:15>> Melissa Cassias last seen walking eastbound on on a highway in Taos on June 26th. The 53-year-old's belongings, including her car, purse, and phones, were found inside her home. This is the one that was weird to me. Phone was factory reset.
3:29>> I mean, I don't Have you done that?
3:31>> No.
3:31>> You've never done that before?
3:33>> No.
3:34>> Okay.
3:34>> normal?
3:35>> think it's I don't think it's totally abnormal to do.
3:38>> with it?
3:39>> I mean, so I feel And let me Hold on.
3:42Let me make sure I'm doing this.
3:49Okay. So, the the factory reset, I mean obviously if you're planning on getting a new phone you do that right and then if let's say you have I don't know issues with your phone you you can do that and then you can just sort of re-download the cloud whatever. So it's not common but it's not I think there could be an explanation for it.
4:14I just you know her family came out and said there was some financial issues as well.
4:21Yeah, I I just don't I think it was her daughter I I can't her daughter has spoken at some point. Yes, yes they I mean there's there's quotes yeah all over literally all over Dateline. Her she picked up let's see her daughter Sierra.
4:39Let me go make sure I have this.
4:43Oh yeah and and her husband has spoken out too to to Dateline. I mean they're I just feel like Sorry.
4:53I just feel like if if the government was somehow involved with this or a foreign government we we wouldn't be hearing all of this or it wouldn't be how do I say it or would they be trying to normalize it like any other missing person? No, I don't think we would have all of the the like we see her on surveillance. We haven't seen anyone else like McCaslin or Raison surveillance. Do you know what I mean?
5:19Like there's been and like we have oh she's that's weird. She's walking along you know we have her last known locate it's it's just very it's it's just different to me. Yeah, my my only spec here was cuz again like you said executive assistant she's not working on the nuclear codes but she's at Los Alamos which has some of the most classified [ __ ] in the country there.
5:42The only spec was like did she see something she wasn't supposed to see and then we're like did she get a call from Liam Neeson saying, "I'm a danger to people like you."
5:51>> Yeah.
5:51>> And then decides, "Nope, I got to tell someone about this."
5:55And doesn't shut up. And they're like, "All right, well, you need to come meet us." And she never makes it home. I That's That's really Pierce back.
6:04>> That is That is an option, sure. She saw something that she shouldn't have seen.
6:09But, however, I go back to why would they >> Right.
6:14>> Why would she be walking along the street, you know, or the highway? I'm sorry. Why Why would she do that? Why would she have all these things that morning that were seemingly, you know, forgetting her badge from work and what You know what I mean? Like if if if the government was planning to do something or if an official at Los Alamos was planning to do You know what I mean? It doesn't Yeah. It doesn't really add up to me.
6:41>> I I I lean towards what you say. It's just It's It's a little bizarre. The The thing that's also another possibility is the fact that she dis- she used the excuse of like forgot her badge to be able to stay home and then took her daughter to lunch.
6:58>> She brought her daughter like a Subway sandwich to that work and she dropped it off.
7:02>> Is that Did she see her daughter?
7:04>> She did. And apparently this was a common thing. Sometimes she would bring her daughter lunch. The one thing I guess that's weird, there is a report that she possibly got into a car, but we don't know the make and model of the car that that I can I can find. Um >> Well, that would explain why she was walking along the highway. She was looking for someone who was going to scoop her quickly.
7:26>> Well, and so if that is true, that she did get into a vehicle, I mean, that >> Yeah, whose car?
7:34>> Unfortunately, and she's never been seen again. We could We could speculate something very dark happened.
7:40>> Of course. But, why is she on the highway in the first place? Why she leave all her stuff behind? Why does she make sure she sees her daughters if it's going to be one last time?
7:48>> You're asking good questions. I just feel like we don't we don't know.
7:53>> Yeah, no. It's we don't know anything.
7:55>> Yeah, I yeah. I mean And she left Yeah, she left her personal items behind. Again, weird, but I I don't know. I >> It's tough one.
8:10>> Yeah, Melissa is tough. I just go back to like you didn't you didn't really have enough clearance, I guess, but >> Unless she saw something.
8:16>> Unless you saw something. Unless you saw something. I I yeah. Um one other thing, she her daughter found a check also that her mother never took to the bank that she was supposed to cash. Um again >> From who?
8:29>> I I don't know. It's just from her daughter. Like her daughter gave her a check said, you know, cash this. I I'm assuming it was from her or from whatever, but I would say, I don't know if you've ever done this, but like if I think I'm just running out really quickly for something, like I don't like even if I'm working from home, you know, my kids school is like three blocks away. I will just walk out the door and go get them with >> 100% I just What kind of highway was this by the way? Are we talking like an I-95 kind of thing or like a A1A kind of thing?
8:54>> Um let me see. Yeah.
8:56>> could you like literally live on the highway or how close did she live to the highway?
9:00>> miles. She lived >> All right, see that's the weird part. I do sometimes go outside without taking a wallet or [ __ ] anything, but I'm walking to the bodega downstairs. You know what I mean? I'm not walking three miles to go to a highway and hold up my thumb and say need need a ride.
9:14>> Yeah. Yeah, I I don't I don't know.
9:18I know.
9:19>> she had she she was I I don't know. Like cheating on her husband or something. I don't know.
9:27>> Yeah, her husband is baffled. They are Her family is absolutely baffled. They have no idea. Zero clue. Zero clue. I I this is an incredibly strange disappearance.
9:38We don't know enough to know if if it is connected. Again, it's you know, I go back to like when I am working [snorts] on these cases and I'm trying to independently verify >> Yes.
9:49>> the places of work, Los Alamos, uh the KCNSC, the the public affairs office. I mean, it's I think for it was for the Wright-Patterson I called. I wanted to to check in about General McCaslin and and public affairs. They were very nice, but the woman I spoke to was like, "We can only tell you like 6 months from 6 months uh prior. And also, we can't tell you anything. We can just say yes or no." It was really weird. So, I was like, "Okay, so if I want to know if XYZ person was there, you know, that you can just say yes." And she said, "That's correct." Um the KCNSC, I'm actually on a ticketed waitlist for verification
10:31about Steven Garcia. I just wanted to know how long he was there. Uh he was the reported custodians uh manager of weapons.
10:39Manager or how do you I'm I'm mispronouncing that. Sorry. Um he was the custodian of weapons. Not Yeah.
10:48>> understanding, correct me if I'm wrong here, when we were looking at it, is that effectively he was like Ben Stiller in Night at the Museum. He had access to everything.
10:56He's not necessary He's not doing anything with it, but he knows where all the bodies are buried.
11:01>> That is correct. And I I actually did an interview uh this morning with a deputy administrator of the National Nuclear Security Administration. He was under uh the Biden administration. And he said someone like Steven Garcia, while they may not know everything, like you said, they do have a very high security clearance. They have access to all of these non-nuclear weapons, cuz you know, the KCNSC is responsible for making 80% of the non-nuclear components. um, you know, that so I I go back to Stephen Garcia. I think his might have been a mental health crisis.
11:42>> Yeah, what can we go to the story there and what happened? He took a handgun as well?
11:46>> Yeah, he has been missing. I mean, so his family I have not been able to get in touch with. I've I've reached out a few times, um, and again, I've tried to independently verify his his job exactly, but he was last seen actually holding a weapon, holding a handgun. And the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Office, you know, they made a note saying that he might be a danger to himself.
12:10>> When the report came in?
12:11>> Mhm.
12:12>> So his family said he we Did they report him missing?
12:16>> Well, yes, they reported him missing, but like we don't, you know, we don't know exactly how that went down, but when they >> When was this again?
12:22>> This was, uh, August of 2025.
12:24>> Okay. So And we don't know exactly how it went down, but at some point he leaves the house. Was it midday? Was it night? Do we know anything?
12:31>> Yeah, midday.
12:31>> Midday he leaves his house. He's not at work.
12:34>> No.
12:34>> He wasn't going to work.
12:35>> Nope, he was in the the I think he If you've seen the still photo, he's in like cargo shorts and like a Yeah. And, um, I mean, you can see on Facebook, too, there's there's family members saying, "Please, you know, help find him. If anyone knows anything." And there's they're sharing the flyer. There's no information about, you know, he he may have been going through it. He I I haven't seen anything like that, but going back to, you know, just guys like like this guy I spoke to, Frank Rose, they are under a lot of pressure. It's it's a very, you know, chaotic and, um, just, uh, a stressful place to work. So they're not immune to
13:18mental health issues and, you know, so >> think about the timeline. Like, to be clear, when you You across the 11, it's between 2022 and 2026.
13:28>> Mhm.
13:29>> But think about the state of the world in this timeline. It's right post pandemic when which was a lot of things going on there. And then, you know, Ukraine breaks out and suddenly there's a hot war in [ __ ] Eastern Europe with East and West on a proxy and that keeps going. Now there's almost 2 billion 2 million bodies from that 4 years later, which 4 and a half whatever it is.
13:53>> Yeah.
13:53>> Which is crazy. And then you have the Gaza thing break out that now in 2025, by the way, couple months before this, breaks into a whole nuclear question with Iran. We go and bomb Iran and bomb their nuclear facilities, which they claim was a success and clearly wasn't.
14:12You know, or was not what they said based on the fact that then we went in there 9 months later. So like all these the the If this were a pot >> Mhm.
14:22>> on your on your stove that you were boiling the water, the steam is coming through the top lid. And you got to put the pasta in now or that shit's going to blow at some point. You know what I mean?
14:34>> no, absolutely. Absolutely. Um I I I feel like this one is is separate. I do.
14:42>> Separate?
14:42>> I do.
14:43>> Okay.
14:43>> I mean, the details the details initially if when you don't necessarily go beyond the headlines and and I think that, you know, when I first saw this headline and I first saw him with a gun, my initial thought was like this is chilling because Neil McCaslin also disappeared, you know, in New Mexico, reportedly walking out with a gun.
15:04But then you look a little further and you're like, okay, these men are completely different. They are not the same. They are absolutely not the same.
15:12I mean, a lot of people go missing every year, right? Uh >> Let's say though, let's play this out.
15:18Let's say I'm a North Korean undercover agent. What could I do with a guy like Steven Garcia if I plot them?
15:26>> I mean, that's that's a That's a a good point. That's a really good point.
15:31However, however, and if you want to get conspiratorial again, >> You got to ask questions.
15:37>> No, but what I'm saying like the the fact that law enforcement was like he could be considered a danger to himself, you know?
15:46Um >> Was that I I think I started to ask it as but we got on something else but it was that based on things the family had said when they called it in?
15:55>> This This is what I am assuming. We don't know exactly. However, when you see a guy holding a gun, what's interesting is like why would you not assume that he's a danger to others if he's holding a handgun? Why are you just assuming himself? You know what I mean? So, I don't really understand why we haven't really kind of peeled back the layers there. I would think that you see a still like that and you're like, "Whoa." Whoa, but no. He's a danger to himself.
16:22>> here it is. Dave has it up. So, he's Is that a gun in his right hand?
16:25>> Yes, apparently that's that's the gun.
16:28Exactly.
16:28>> He's as you said, he's not in any kind of work uniform. He's just in regular civilian clothes.
16:33>> Mhm.
16:34>> Again, like it and and and maybe it's just he's going through it and it could very well be that. It's just weird that he worked where he worked and had access to what he accessed cuz a guy like this Do we know how close to his house that is or that's just sometime later?
16:49>> We don't I can So, it's We don't know exactly how close to his house.
16:54>> No, he is not. And and again, that's what I would like to know. I would like to know more about that but there's not much out there about Steven Garcia, which is why I'm trying to get in touch with family. So, if you hear this, >> That's what I'm saying, man.
17:05>> Yeah, I'm here. I'm here to help.
17:07>> Maybe he's getting maybe some North Korean agent calls him and says, "Hello, Steven. We're right outside. Like you are [ __ ] if you tell anyone about this."
17:16>> Maybe.
17:16>> You know, could be.
17:17>> Maybe. Right, like none of us can say yes or no. Um yeah.
17:22Without a or beyond a shadow of a doubt, I guess, but >> Okay, here we go. Here's some details Steve Sonnet. So, on June 26th, 2025 Oh, no, that's Melissa.
17:32Do we have Do we have a story Can you find a story like this for Garcia?
17:38The if it gives any kind of timeline >> The Daily Mail, their initial story who they got from a source, um it really just says, especially on the on the missing photo, it just says last seen in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
17:51>> Okay, yeah.
17:52>> Yeah.
17:52>> So, is this the same one you're looking at?
17:54>> No, I I I mean, I haven't looked at this one in a while, but >> Okay, so >> It just Yeah.
18:01>> Yeah, it doesn't say like he disappeared at 12:15 p.m. It's just more general.
18:07>> Yeah, but what's it's surprising though that there's you know, there wasn't any stand-alone local media articles because there actually were some stand-alone local articles on um Anthony Chavez uh who disappeared who worked at Los Alamos. Yeah, there's some stand-alone articles there, but for this guy not much.
18:26>> Not much. Nope.
18:28And and that's where it doesn't help.
18:31Cuz here's the other thing, and we're not saying this, but this is a good little sidebar.
18:34Cuz you got to think like this.
18:35>> Yeah.
18:36>> Is this just a giant distraction?
18:39There's a lot of stories >> Yeah.
18:41>> that they want out of the news. The good thing is we keep covering all the other ones, too. But, a lot of people start talking about this. Now, maybe they you know, move on from the Iran war, which is a big [ __ ] [ __ ] that was a distraction potentially just saying pure spec for the Epstein files, which was an even bigger [ __ ] And they're like, all right, let's give them, you know, back there Don Draper's drunk, and he's going, "Give them missing scientist."
19:02>> No, I I literally said that the other day. I totally agree with you. There's also an element where the White House is almost and and a lot of these congressmen who are going on the news, James Comer, Eric Burlison, there's an element Tim Burchett and and you know, I really respect these guys. I do, but there is an element there where they love getting clipped and they love going viral and they love saying these Oh, [gasps] if you would have seen what I saw, you know, and stuff like that.
19:29And then and then, you know, again, I think we had brought this up or we had sort of talked about this. You're like there's no there's no public cause of death for this one guy and I'm like, well, yes, there is. A lot of these guys are saying that, but they're not actually digging in yet. They're just sort of they're still grouping them together and they're not peeling back the layers of each and every one and they're too agreeable almost, you know?
19:52>> know what I didn't like? When Peter Doocy asked about it.
19:56>> Yeah, and then all of a sudden >> Karoline Leavitt who's been in hell.
20:00>> [laughter] >> Been in hell for the past 4 months and you know, with these press secretaries, I if there's one thing I will give to them cuz I've been extremely critical of her, extremely critical of KCP before her.
20:12Their job is to go lie. Like their job is to go out there and they say you're going to say this and like it puts them in an awful position and man do they look awful doing it, but like she like smiled when she got this one. Like, "Oh, that's a nice one. Oh, yeah, no, we're going to look into the missing scientist."
20:28And I'm like, "Why are you excited to hear about 11 people dead?"
20:32>> Yep.
20:33>> Or disappeared.
20:34>> And like I said, all of a sudden these statements were just like so agreeable.
20:39They were so like we were taking this seriously. These are very important people. Blah blah blah. And it's just like, "Okay, um that was that was surprising." And then the next thing you know, it's like every time one of these guys are on on Fox or you know, wherever, mainly Fox, they're talking about how seriously they're taking it and how important these people were and how they had, you know, XYZ security clearances. And and you're just like, "Okay, um you know, why is no one or I should say why are none of these congressmen skeptical? Why do And I say this about Democrats actually.
21:15And and I'm not trying to be political here because I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to obviously say this about Republicans, but something [snorts] that was always concerning to me about the Democrats is they always seem to agree on everything and that is weird. I'm just like really? You know, with COVID, you want to close the schools, you guys unanimously agree? I mean, you want to close every you guys all agree not one of you has anything to say about this.
21:37Okay, got it. Republicans right now, not one of you is stepping up and saying woah, woah, woah. Let me just let me tell you guys this this might be too this might be a coincidence or I don't agree with with this. Not one person has stepped up and said that. The Republicans all agree.
21:55>> It's all a it is all just a groupthink power bureaucracy and I'll admit I'm an optimist when it comes to life and the world, I'm a total cynic when it comes to the government and I've been that way since 2017 like literally on record and you know, every accusation you see turns into a projection of something that is very similar. Maybe it's not the same thing. Maybe the Democrats say there's no such thing as a gender, but then the Republicans say there's no such thing as a sex traffic victim for Jeffrey Epstein. These are two different things, but birds of the same [ __ ] feather.
22:32>> Yeah.
22:32>> You know, and I I think it's a great point you make watching the instantaneous agreeableness on this and then two hours later Trump's in front of Marine One Chopper where he's like, "Yeah, we're looking into it.
22:43It's a big deal."
22:44>> Yeah, that's good.
22:44>> And it's like >> Yeah.
22:46>> And it's like, "Okay, he probably can't even name one of the [ __ ] people in the in in that, [clears throat] you know."
22:52>> And think about the Republican infighting. I mean, they I I actually always respected that about the Republican party. I loved the fact that they were always fighting, they couldn't agree. I just I felt like that was just it's it's nuance. Politics are nuance and I I think it's healthy.
23:09>> No.
23:10>> [laughter] >> Yes. And so again, I go back and I always was criticizing the Democrats for just kind of being like, well, you know, we agree on every and I'm just like so now I'm looking at the Republicans and I'm like not one of you is asking questions on the other side. Not one of you. You're all like, yes, this is very serious and we need it's just like, okay.
23:28>> Now you're making me see why we went to Iran.
23:30>> Yeah, >> [laughter] >> basically. Yeah.
23:32>> just went missing.
23:33>> Yeah. Yep. So going back to what you said, do I think this could be a distraction? Definitely. Absolutely.
23:40>> I I've just watched I I've had a lot of people stopping me actually on the street and and it's crazy. Like this is such a low bar, but stopping me and saying, dude, you know, the fact that you and Dief are staying with reporting on the files for at least some part of your episode every week and you're periodically bringing in some guests to cover this is so important and do not [ __ ] stop because that was now like through [ __ ] five stories ago and everyone is moving on and it's like the biggest story ever and it gives me some reassurance that like at least we're doing our little teeny part here,
24:16but like this is the reality. It's always been the reality for humans. We all run in a crowd towards the latest noise and it's not to say you shouldn't look at it. That's why we're doing this podcast right now, but I'm always going to keep it like, yo, all right, we were just talking about this other story.
24:31We'll come over here and look at this right now, but we want to wonder why we're looking at this, all the reasons including the ones that are not convenient for the people who want us to look at it and we're also not going to forget about this over here. You can do both. You can walk and [ __ ] chew gum at the same time.
24:44>> But let me let me ask you though, what what are you trying to accomplish I guess at this point with the Epstein files because I personally believe that we are never ever getting what we want.
24:55We're never going to get the unredacted files. We're never going to get the names of these Johns, these powerful men.
25:01We have an idea who a lot of them are, you know? I mean, I just feel like guys like Jes Staley, for example.
25:09>> Practically.
25:10>> He's not He's not going to prison.
25:12There's nothing He There's We Sorry, I want to be I want to say this in a way that won't get me sued or you know, whatever. But it's just like we can agree he did some things. Dean Cain and who's actually from my hometown.
25:28I felt like he was implicated in some very, very gross ways in the files.
25:37He's never I mean, what are we doing?
25:39Like what are we, you know?
25:41>> Cynically, I agree with you. I think they're likely if you held a gun to my head and said, "Based based on the probabilities, what will this be?" I agree that it'll get covered up and people won't won't be shown justice.
25:55>> Yeah.
25:55>> What I will be able to say is that my little teeny corner of the internet where I did what I could, I did everything I could like I won't be able to say I didn't do everything I could.
26:05>> Yeah.
26:05>> That's it, you know? And like that sucks because at the end of the day that's like saying, "Oh, here's a nice participation trophy. Look, I did gold star."
26:13>> Yeah, and you know what's funny too?
26:14It's like you I just feel like so many so many people in Congress were so fake about it. You know, you had Marsha Blackburn at one point. Just, you know, she just loved to just being, you know, in the in the spotlight, the center of attention, demanding the files, all these things. And now all of a sudden, where are you now? Where is she now?
26:35Literally, have we heard from her?
26:38Have we heard from her about the files?
26:39And I don't even know. I just feel like >> Marjorie Taylor Greene.
26:42>> Yeah. Well, I mean, you don't have you don't have to necessarily turn against Trump to demand the files. I just don't >> Well.
26:52>> Cuz he said it's a giant hoax.
26:54>> Yeah, that was funny. That was very funny.
26:56>> That was crazy. And then >> It's it it it's nuts. It it's it's absolutely nuts. And it's really like you know, I understand why people were completely disillusioned with the last administration. They were objectively awful in everything. They gaslit America for [ __ ] 4 years over and over again starting with the fact that Joe Biden literally wasn't like alive for [laughter] 4 years. I mean, it's it's ridiculous. So, I don't I'm not one of these people who's going to be like, "How could people vote for I understand exactly why they did." [laughter] But, it was a it was a mistake in independent media for people to endorse
27:30him. And I don't I'm not sliding those people at all. It wasn't an opportunity for me to [ __ ] interview him and bring him on here. I wasn't big enough to do it. So, you know, easy for me to [ __ ] sit in my glass house and say that, but I did say that to people at the time. I said that this is this is going to be a regret.
27:47Even I did not think it would go this far. It would go as far as him [ __ ] starting another endless war.
27:56Hopefully, it's not going to be in Iran.
27:58It would go as far as him gaslighting people on the Epstein files. It would go as far as him literally pushing away and turning away all the people who got him into office including people I don't even like, by the way, in some cases.
28:11You know, it's like and you're going to listen to Mark Levin?
28:16>> I mean, I definitely I do try to >> [laughter] >> I don't know. I try to stay away from politics, but it's I I will say I I do think and I I hope I do. I think I judge each side pretty pretty equally.
28:28Although, I do lean more conservatively and that's sort of where my background is, but I I'm an independent thinker.
28:36So, I have been super vocal about certain things, you know, with the Trump administration. Pam Bondi, I definitely, but >> [gasps] >> I don't know. I at this point, I I just think that I don't I don't know what happened to us.
28:53>> I don't know either.
28:54>> I guess like I don't know how else to say it. Like I don't know what happened to us. Yeah.
28:57>> way, the people given like the Democrats a pass on these Epstein story on [snorts] this Epstein story, [ __ ] that.
29:03>> Yeah.
29:03>> Five what? Four, five administrations have covered this up.
29:07>> Mhm.
29:07>> Left and right. People guilty are on the left and right.
29:11>> Yeah.
29:11>> And like now it's just politically expedient for them to be able to read a statement some idiot witness look bad because, you know, they [ __ ] it up or whatever.
29:20>> Yeah.
29:20>> And no. No, we're not giving any credit.
29:23The only people that I look at and I go they have consistently done things that were even unpopular at the time for either of the parties are like Ro Khanna, Massie, and to an extent Nancy Mace.
29:36>> Mhm.
29:37>> You know, and it's just it it's it has been the biggest exposure to me of the system being rancid. And also, you know, the fact that these people that you think are like, you know, in some cases going to be your godsend on the left or right side of the aisle, they're not. They're they report to a guy who reports to a guy. And the guy they report to in the middle in some cases is someone who [ __ ] owns an island and rapes kids.
30:05>> Yeah. I mean, what's your what's your thought on the um insane allegations of eating babies or children?
30:14>> do not have definitive proof of it. And this is really important to say.
30:18>> Mhm.
30:19>> The fact that I can't rule it out though because there are emails you can point to where you're like maybe >> Mhm.
30:27>> is [ __ ] crazy.
30:29>> Wow.
30:29>> And the fact that we there's 3 million files that we know of that still haven't been released. What do they say in it? And what some of the congressmen from both sides of the aisle who have seen some of them have said is not exactly reassuring. It's like we have dipped so low that it is on the table that something like cannibalism or I don't even know could exist. But to for me, if I went into a court of law right now with the publicly available information, went to make that case, the jury deliberates for an hour and comes back and says no case.
31:00>> Right.
31:00>> But the fact that they even have to think about it. Six months ago, the jury wouldn't have even left the room.
31:06>> Yes, I I mean it it sounds insane. And again, if you would have asked me about something like this a couple years ago, I would have laughed you out of the room. And not to to get on a tangent, but I was investigating a case out of Utah. And it was sort of becoming a string of cases.
31:27>> Mhm.
31:28>> And it was about this psychiatrist um who was accused of he was reportedly a high-ranking member of the Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Church, Mormon, but he was accused of actually being um a high-ranking member of the Church of Satan. And his daughters had uh it's it's a whole thing, but basically they had written a victim impact statement that's very long.
31:59I didn't sleep for weeks after reading it. And the crazy part is they had named some names in this victim impact statement. And one of the names was at the time the district attorney.
32:13The district attorney actually held a press conference about this and addressed these allegations and said it was all for political gain because an election was coming up. Um and by the way, this this district attorney, his name is David Leavitt. He moved to Scotland and he bought a castle apparently and he's re- he's Yeah. And by the way, he The other thing about him, David >> you do. You move to Scotland.
32:40>> Well, so this crazy person, this crazy guy, his You might have heard of this guy. Um he was a fugitive.
32:51I'm blanking on his last name. It's been a minute. Uh Nick >> I'll tell you what, you want to grab it and then let's dig deep into this. I got to go to the bathroom really bad, but I want to hear all about this.
33:00>> you? Yeah, I got it. I'm just kidding.
33:02[laughter] >> be right back.
33:03>> Okay.
33:05>> All right, we're back. So, you found this guy's last name?
33:07>> Yeah. So, his name is is Nicholas Rossi.
33:10>> Okay.
33:11>> And uh Nicholas Rossi essentially, he uh he was a fugitive. He was wanted for rape in Utah, and he was later found in Scotland because he had COVID. He wound up in a hospital, and David Levitt was prosecuting his case, and Nick Rossi uh he went by another name as well.
33:34And he was publishing parts of the victim impact statement on Twitter, on a website. Um And it was it was bad. It was very bad.
33:46So, it did not make David Levitt look very good. His wife also was named um in some of these uh some of the these writings, I should say, and um he extradited him back, and he ended up putting him in prison and cuz he was convicted on this this rape charge, which kind of gave David Levitt some elevation here, but David Levitt also he has done several interviews around an adoption of a child, indigenous child, I guess, where the father has stated that they want this child's back because they did not agree to this adoption. He had some It's very weird.
34:34He had some connections with somebody in in the on the tribal land and this exchange was done.
34:44And and the father again did not agree to this. So it's a whole thing but now David Lovett doesn't live here. However, the therapist David Lee Hamblin whose daughters wrote this victim impact statement um they I've heard they're going to be filing a civil suit. I haven't seen anything like that but other people came out after and accused David Lee Hamblin um of assaulting them when they were patients of his or when they were kids and he was charged but he's never gone to trial.
35:20There's always been some kind of administration issue or clerical issue or yeah, whatever.
35:28But it's so much more than that. It's I can't even really do it justice this whole story I guess.
35:35Um >> You know, I think about this all the time. It's just >> [snorts] >> making me think of this specific example right here but the greatest season of TV ever written was the first season of True Detective.
35:47>> Yeah, that was good. Yeah, yeah.
35:49>> So this came out January 2014. Nick Pizzolatto wrote it I think in 2012 and 2013.
35:56You know, unbelievable work.
35:58But for people who haven't seen it it's it's basically turns in this whole Louisiana good old boys network that involves child trafficking and rape and just the most disgusting things ever.
36:09And the more the years go by the more I think two things. A, Nick was early to something that's been going on for a long time and B that did not just and I'd love to bring Nick on the show. Open invite to discuss like how he wrote this cuz it was unbelievable what he put together and then McConaughey and Harrelson obviously did an incredible job. But like I feel like it came from somewhere. Meaning like Nick had heard about some of these networks that existed and done really good research on what it was and was able to bring it to life in a fictionalized version. But when I hear stories, and this is not the off far
36:48from the only one that exists like what you're talking about and when we see something like the Epstein thing playing out in front of us, it's like the really uncomfortable conversation is that things like this are far more widespread and far more socially power driven than we would have in any way ever even imagined.
37:12>> Oh, yeah. I mean, I I did not How do I say this? Upon looking at the Utah case and and by the way, one of the daughters did go to police and and her case was thrown out I believe a decade ago and then others thankfully others came forward and and by the way, when her case was was thrown out reportedly they had him on a recording apologizing to one of his daughters for for raping them. This is David Lee Hamblin. And I feel comfortable saying this out loud because again, he did have a you know, there was a case against him. I don't know where it's at now. I have to check, but when I read this victim impact statement
37:56and I had mentioned to you I I didn't really sleep, it was because I I did not think that this type of thing existed.
38:07I mean the details that they got into and uh when we talk about eating babies for example, there is a whole section about impregnating just for the purpose of aborting and then eating.
38:27Obviously, I don't have proof of this, of course, but you know, if you live through the '80s, the satanic panic, um you know, there are >> Was it a panic or a reality?
38:39>> What I mean, yeah. Yeah, no, really. And and and just the other part of this is because because this area in Utah, the American Fork area, um it is close to a lot of these these tribal lands, some of these children, they don't have birth certificates. They don't actually te- technically exist. So, if you take one of these children and you let's say sacrifice them, >> [clears throat] >> who's going to come looking for them? Um it makes me really sad to think about because there are at least two instances in this document that talks about that. And I want to be clear, I I'm not I'm only naming the names that are, you know,
39:23that have come out there and denied the allegations and are on record saying that, you know, yes, they they acknowledge that >> [snorts] >> they were accused, but they didn't do anything. Um there are names in there that have really sued a lot of people and a lot of Utah-based content creators about this. Um but I do know that there are still survivors out there who want their story told and it just sucks because they're silenced by the system because they don't have the money um for an attorney, they don't have the money to, you know, to to stand up against the giant, right?
39:58>> Yeah. No, it's it is >> [sighs] >> it's it's terrifying.
40:03>> Yeah.
40:04>> Because and again, it ties together unfortunately so perfectly when they're close to a place where they can get kids that don't exist on the ledger and do what they do and it's hard not to think about you know, how deep does a secret society like that go? What What do they have access to that makes them believe that you know, their sickness is doing what what they're supposed to do. I I I I I can't In In some ways I'm I'm I'm really grateful I can't fathom that.
40:36>> Yeah.
40:37>> But, it is you know, I also got to imagine when you do a lot of these stories like as a woman, too, and when you see like you know, and to be clear, it's also young boys in a lot of cases, too, but when you see like young women totally taken advantage of and silenced or killed or what worse, I don't know.
40:55You know, that's got to hit home.
40:57>> It's you know, I think [sighs and gasps] without without sounding insensitive, also, I think when I look at these stories and then I these stories which are so horrific and where you have victims or survivors who have just been through it. And then, you know, sitting in court [snorts] for Harvey Weinstein's third retrial where even the prosecutors are saying, "Okay, this girl was in a 4-year relationship with Harvey, right? They did have consensual sex. He did things for her. He took her here. He took her there, you know.
41:42We're trying him on one occasion in a hotel room where she says that she said no.
41:50Again, it's it's just like I don't Sorry, I don't want to get canceled for saying this. It's such a fine line to tow, but you are sitting there and you are like, "Okay, you you were having sexual relations with this man for 4 years. It's clear she wasn't very proud of that, right?
42:12He's disgusting, very powerful.
42:15You have to see the evidence. You I was there for part of trial, too.
42:21Um in New York and then I I switched over to Diddy. But when you you hear a lot of this evidence and and I am only talking about the Jessica Mann case specifically. I'm not talking about California. I know that he assaulted women or else why the hell would he pay at such a huge sum of money for part of these civil suits if he wasn't actually guilty, in my opinion. He is guilty there. But when you hear about this, you're just like, man, I have I've spoken to victims who have horrible stories and I understand there's also what a you know, not every story is the same, not every survivor's you know, I get that. I totally get
42:58that.
43:00There's just something about it, you know, when you're sitting there and you're like, okay, well, you know, this feels strange.
43:07>> Some are more compelling than others, for sure.
43:10>> Yeah, it just doesn't I I don't know and I I mentioned to you guys when I walked in like, you know, we're in court yesterday and Alvin Bragg walks in and you're like, oh yeah, look like go go get the criminal. Yeah, no, he's the DA.
43:22It's like, go go catch the the criminals, please. Like this man in a wheelchair that is basically dead. Like he's basically dead. I'm sorry. Like he's not a threat to our city right now.
43:33You're trying this man for a third time on a class E felony, you know, like I I I understand where maybe as a whole it's important to to the survivors or to you know, people that that >> But it's political theater at the end of the day, him coming in.
43:50>> 100%. Do you think if this guy's name was like Johnson, like we'd be here for that? Harvey Johnson? No, we wouldn't be. It's because he's Harvey Weinstein and for whatever reason Alvin Bragg thinks that like winning that case will make him look good and I just don't I think it's it's the opposite. I'm I'm kind of pissed that we're spending our you know, I live in Manhattan. My money is going to that trial. It's so silly.
44:12>> I understand what you >> And then and also the Jessica Mann, the the victim in all this. Like she has to tell her story over and over again.
44:19Again, I'm not especially moved by her story. That's that's my opinion, but that doesn't mean that you know, she didn't necessarily go through it.
44:28>> Sure.
44:28>> I'm just saying uh to make her get up there for right? How many times now?
44:33That also seems weird.
44:35>> Yeah. It's just those cases are also, you know, like we hear about the Weinstein one because of and rightfully so, like how powerful he was and and the people he took advantage of, but then there's all these other cases that are powerful people that just maybe aren't on the news national news or you don't know their name or whatever, but it's the same kind of thing or worse.
45:00And you know, you're going out there and getting the story. So, I I was unfamiliar with the Utah one. I'll have to look into them.
45:05>> You have to you have to look it up. Like I said, it's actually makes me sad that I I can't I wasn't ready to or I guess I wasn't prepared to speak on it. Um but I went so deep. I went so deep. Up all night talking to survivors. I mean, it it's it's a lot.
45:24It it's crazy. So, maybe maybe for another time. I'll yeah, refresh on Yeah, that's him. He is Yeah.
45:33>> Oof.
45:34>> No, I it's >> Yeah, we got we also do if we got to get Pizzolatto in here. We got to figure that out. He's [ __ ] goated as a writer, but Yeah. All right. Well, let's get let's get back to the missing scientist cuz we left off Garcia was interesting. Some lack of details, but also reported as a danger to himself, but not other people. That could be a clerical mistake or it could be what the [ __ ] But the guy Chavez, who was retired, 78 years old, retired from Los Alamos. He had been prior to working at Los Alamos, he worked at an HVAC company. So, the way I understood the reporting was that he had a
46:12high-level clearance similarly to Garcia cuz he had access to a lot of serious stuff at Los Alamos, but he wasn't a scientist and he was probably working on HVAC. Some of that was a little unclear.
46:22What do you know?
46:23>> Yes, I So, I also re- reported that he um was an HVAC tech.
46:29Now, again, I could not independently verify this through public affairs. I am still working on it, but he uh disappeared in May of 2025 on foot.
46:40He left his home in Los Alamos, New Mexico, and uh his neighborhood was the the Denver Steels neighborhood, which is not as isolated, right, as some of the others. Um but his wallet, keys, and cigarettes were on the living room table, and his car was locked in the driveway, and he uh per a friend had his friend said he never carried a cell phone. So, >> What did he have any documented medical issues pertaining to potential early-onset dementia or something like that that people have discussed?
47:12>> Nope, not not that's been reported.
47:14>> But he's never been seen again. There's no body.
47:16>> No body. He They said he hiked in Pueblo Canyon often, but it didn't seem like he left home that day to prepare for a hike, right? Um and the weather wasn't that great. So, why he left his home, that remains a mystery.
47:33>> Do we know how long ago he had retired from Los Alamos?
47:37>> I don't I'm not I'm Again, I'm not >> No, I'm not sure. Again, that that just goes back to public affairs being like, "Sorry."
47:44So, it's tough. You You got to find sources. Um I did reach out to to one source that I found on Facebook. I'm still waiting. Um >> [laughter] >> so, that seems to be the the key here.
47:55Um but again, it's like not many people want to talk about this.
47:58>> Right.
47:59And again, that could be nothing too, cuz he wasn't one of the scientists or something like that. He was someone at least working on at least something else that's not related to actually dealing with any weaponry or advanced technology, but he could have had access to see something he wasn't supposed to see, if you want to go there. Pure spec.
48:17>> [laughter] >> But, and so that's the three that were the non guaranteed non scientists. We covered the MIT guy, and we and we covered Jason Thomas, the Navaratis guy, which seems to be totally totally separate. But, then there's two more classes. The first one is Amy Esridge, and then the second one is the five scientists, some of whom we've already covered. We'll knock out a couple more and then kind of get to McCaslin a little more. But, Amy Esridge, like I was saying, when we had a chance to look at some videos of her and everything over the weekend after we recorded this last one, >> Mhm.
48:53>> some of it feels a little bit like and I don't mean to be insensitive here, but that she was a little nutty.
49:00>> Mhm.
49:01>> Definitely not dumb, for sure. She was definitely smart. I do have a friend who I'll say spoke with someone very close to her >> Mhm.
49:13>> this weekend who assured him that A, she was dead, B, it was suicide, and C, yes, she was smart and could work on some things, but she thought she was a 10 on the smart scale, but she overestimated how smart she was and drove herself crazy because of that. And so, that's why like whenever yes, there are times, of course, when people are like, "I am not suicidal."
49:43and things like that, where they're saying it in a perfectly calm tone and just being clear as, you know, a a kill switch kind of whatever.
49:52With her, it was a little bit more like >> [snorts] >> Are are you not? You know, like like there I'm just saying hers was she wasn't the kind of buttoned-up person Carl Grilmark was.
50:06>> Yes, 100%. I I would agree with that. Her parents have come out and said, "Look, scientists die."
50:14>> Oh, they have?
50:15>> Yes, her her father uh said this, Dr. Richard Boylan, who was a former NASA scientist and also founded the um Institute of Exotic Science with Amy. They worked together. And look, her messages have been surfacing online recently, which yeah, they say things like she thinks she's being watched, someone went through her underwear drawer, she feels threatened. It is in writing that she said this before her death, which I think fuels more speculation as to like, "Look how perfect this is." She was saying that somebody was after her and then she died. Well, I had a source reach out to me and and say that she was
50:59suffering from some delusions.
51:01Um I You know, I again, it's tough because, you know, we can't say one way or another, right?
51:11Because we we are not privy to all of her work. We know that she did not have any type of government clearance, right?
51:19She had no anything.
51:20>> No, not that not that I could find. Um I know that she those videos she keeps saying disclosure is coming out of Huntsville. It is coming. In my opinion, some of those videos and I'm I'm not a doctor, right? Of course. She seems a little twitchy, almost like something some tweaking. Something like on some kind of medication that I couldn't necessarily pinpoint.
51:46But it all felt too odd and too perfect that she was saying these things and then it's like, you know, she didn't she didn't kill herself. There's no way. Uh Eric Burleson recently came out and there's no proof behind this, but he said that she could have been affected by something called Havana syndrome, which is a condition tied to unexplained neurological symptoms. Um so and and that could have been that she was exposed to something, right? When she >> energy.
52:13>> Yes, there you go. So again, you know, but Ross Coulthart has come out and said, "No, she did not kill herself."
52:20You know, and and he's done the research, but >> Ross also said the egg was an alien. I don't know about that.
52:26>> listen, I I just don't I'm not >> No disrespect. I just I I I think Ross sometimes runs with anything in the I want to believe syndrome Yeah. case. So that's not the For a story like this, that's not the guy I'm going to go to first on the facts.
52:43>> Right. Agree I totally agree with you.
52:45I'm just >> to shred him.
52:46>> No, but I I think it's important that we sort of put all this, you know, in one pot and then kind of stir it and and see what we have here, but Yeah, I I I don't think that I think that she most likely killed herself.
53:00>> And it was also misleading when the Daily Mail came out with and said 11 scientists now dead for the missing scientist, when in fact this was back in 2022 and she would have been the first one on the list, by the way, that's deceased.
53:13Do we Do we have a video of her talking deep so that so that people can see this? I'm sure there's something >> It's the one where she's like it's kind of from the the neck up almost. That's where I sort of felt the the tweakiness of I don't know.
53:25>> Yeah, now she's in Huntsville. The The he's going to pull this up in a second.
53:29She's in Huntsville. That's where NASA has I What is it? Redstone Lab? Or am I making that up?
53:37Is that what it is, Steve?
53:38>> Oh, sorry.
53:38>> It's It's like Redstone Lab or something like that. Basically, they work on all kinds of propulsion stuff there.
53:44Huntsville is also one of the places where like the Operation Paperclip, you know, Nazi scientists Yeah.
53:51>> Yeah, Redstone Arsenal ended up going to. Similarly to Wright-Patterson, which you mentioned earlier, and I put a little check mark in that. We'll We'll come back to that. You know, there's a lot of alien-related or UFO-related folklore from those places, some of which may not be folklore at all. It could have some truth to it. But, you know, that all being together, and then the fact that her father is a legitimate longtime, well-known NASA scientist, it gets Righteously so, it gets people thinking. But, here is Here is her I guess shortly before she died. Let's just get a little little Amy just to hear
54:30kind of what she was talking about.
54:32>> independently discovered four other times. [clears throat] He said it has been He said it has been suppressed every single [ __ ] time.
54:41And he said, "I don't think they're going to suppress it this time."
54:44>> Talking about disclosure.
54:45>> He said, "I think you're in the clear."
54:48He He said they obviously know about you because I've had multiple both protective and threatening interactions with various agency affiliations, whatever.
54:59He was like, "If If you haven't had a US government agent come to you and say, 'Stop. Shut the [ __ ] up. Stop. Shut the [ __ ] up.' If that hasn't happened, they're going to let you do it. They're waiting. They're Like there There are SSP [ __ ] that are [ __ ] twiddling their thumbs. Like, 'Is Amy not going to publish soon?
55:22Gah. We've been influencing this [ __ ] forever. Doesn't she know we want her to publish? Jesus.'
55:29Like there's multiple people doing that right now.
55:32And on the other side of the fence, there's multiple parties looking at each other like, 'Didn't we tell this [ __ ] 3 years ago that we kill people for this?
55:41Is she not listening?
55:43What is she doing? She's still doing it?
55:45What? We told her we were going to kill her 3 years ago.
55:48So, I have these two like I have these two different scenarios floating constantly in my life where I have people being like, "Do it. Do it. Do it.
55:57You're the one. Do it." And then I have multiple people people being like, "They're going to kill you. Don't do it.
56:05They're going to kill you."
56:06>> Okay. Did you have something on this, too?
56:09>> Yeah, I saw something the other day. I wasn't sure if you saw this, too, that there was reports that she had like quit pain medication cold turkey, as well.
56:18>> Yeah, her mom said she was experiencing pain. Um I don't know again, I'm not an expert, but looking at that video, she's maybe drunk, maybe um >> Something is in her system there.
56:31>> Something is not >> I'm willing to say.
56:33>> I mean, it's the mannerisms to the the itching, constantly. The you know, the hair it's she's constantly moving, she's slurring a little bit. There's a few words that she slurred. Her eyes look very very big. Yeah, there's something off about that. Um so, yeah, maybe that was when she was on some kind of pain medication, but >> why why So, this was Jeremy Reese's show, Alien Scientists online, to be clear.
56:58You know, I I see him at the top there, so I assume that's what it was.
57:04Again, doesn't mean it totally rules it out, but why is someone who also might be on something going and if they're allegedly this close to the world's most famous, deepest, darkest secret openly talking about it on a Zoom YouTube channel. You know what I mean?
57:23Like >> Yeah.
57:25>> Yeah, some red flags are flying with that. And I I also do have to say, and this will if this reveals some bias, it's only fair that I say this. I I've just seen some [ __ ] with this space when you start getting to the UFOs and the people who come out and talk about them. I have seen some horrible [ __ ] >> Mhm.
57:48>> and stuff get proven later that like, okay, because I I totally believe aliens exist. I totally believe we're not alone, but it's like, what are they coming out and telling us?
57:58I'm not even saying they haven't been here, but why are they openly volunteering all this stuff? And then I've seen behind the scenes some stories that were brought blow up, meaning like >> Yeah.
58:11>> proven totally false that then other stories that I thought had decent evidence, which might still, I don't know, but it leads me to question it because like I know that the same guys who brought those stories are the ones who brought this one.
58:25>> Yeah, and I I do feel like if you are saying out loud, "They're going to kill me. If I do this, they're going to kill me."
58:34I don't think necessarily the people that have information to be killed over potentially are going to do that, are going to behave that way.
58:45>> Edward Snowden never did that.
58:46>> That is that is my opinion. Um yeah, so I I just feel like this it's not connected and I I I do I believe at this moment that she did take her own life tragically. Um but >> And the thing that sucks for the parents is because the father strictly had that title and worked at NASA, everyone's going to be like, well, that's what he's forced to say or that he's a part of the cover.
59:13>> 100%.
59:13>> And listen, yep.
59:15Can't say 0% chance, but you know, I think you got to be careful making that leap, especially when you have other evidence in front of you you were like clearly she she was loosening her deck a little bit. You know what I mean?
59:32>> Yes, 100%.
59:34>> And like she listen, she went to she had some serious degrees and stuff like that. Like this was not a dumb girl.
59:39>> No.
59:40>> But she she definitely had some at least reported history of delusions. Does that mean for a fact she's lying about everything? No. But you should be very skeptical especially considering the fact it took the Daily Mail so long to go back and find her >> Mhm.
59:56>> and then say she's the 11th but really she was the first.
59:59>> Yeah.
60:00>> You know, and you found out she didn't have government contracts cuz that's what we thought she did >> From from where though?
60:08>> Oh.
60:11We were and and that's where that's why we say pure spec with some things cuz like we're trying to be careful with where the facts line up or where something's going to change cuz we find out something new. But when we talked about her for a few minutes, that was it. You know, her location, where she was, and the company that she worked for >> [snorts] >> you know, we thought therefore was contracting with the government.
60:33>> I have found no evidence of that. I mean but so but that doesn't I I mean I guess there could be a chance but I have found zero. Um yeah, zero.
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