0:01Now, by the way, if you guys are enjoying this especially, the documentary is awesome. So, we will have the documentary link down below. Highly encourage you check it out. Like you got you've cited a couple of them today, but you got some amazing interviews in there as well. Like people who were agreeing to talk on this and really provide insight and you know, I'm not a father yet, you are, but I'm already thinking about this for when I have kids. It's like, you know, you damn well don't want to be a helicopter parent in any way like that. I don't believe in any of that [ __ ] but at the same time,
0:31what is like the system done to make you just say, "Yeah, I'm sure it's fine over there." You know, like you don't want to just assume it's going to work out.
0:39>> Well, and it's changed so much. Like like your mom found out because of the teachers unions.
0:44The the teachers unions have really welcomed in some of these radical different, you know, ideologies that we have this, you know, in the United States, I think it was 1947, the Supreme Court really like that's where we officially did the separation of church and state.
1:00And I think, you know, there's a lot of benefits to religious freedom, but where we've gotten to we've gotten to this sticky point where we've invited curriculums like the SOJI curriculum that I uncovered. I had no idea what SOJI was.
1:13>> SOJI?
1:14>> SOJI is sexual orientation gender identity. And then you have the LGBTQ and it's really kind of operated as a religion, but it doesn't fall under the religion category. So, it's in this really sticky in between where what happened That's a whole deep dive if you want to go down it and how SOJI even came to be.
1:34It's messed up. It's wild.
1:37Um so, SOJI originated in 2006.
1:45Uh there was a summit in Indonesia called the Yogyakarta summit.
1:52And it was funded by John Stryker, who who like the heir to the Stryker Medical Company.
1:58>> Oh, yeah.
1:58>> And um he's gay and he's invested a ton of money into LGBTQ initiatives. So, he was actually he's like the number one investor into all this. And he funded so he created this thing called the Arcus Foundation and they funded the Yogyakarta, you know, summit in Indonesia. And what that was this was really run by the UN. The UN was like, "Hey, in order to give you SOGI people and LGBTQ rights, we need like a meeting for all of these different lawyers and psychologists and everybody to gather to kind of codify human human rights human rights law where they're paid >> to come to a pre-desired conclusion.
2:40>> Yeah. Uh well, they were paid to be there. So, they were hand-selected.
2:43Absolutely. So, we can't really rely on that being very, you know, unbiased research, right? And we're seeing that.
2:50We're seeing all sorts of harms that these, you know, uh hormone blockers and, you know, uh gender transitioning.
2:57We're seeing that like I uncovered that in the film. There's so many harms to children and and like a lot of it turns into you're grooming kids, right? Kids at the age of 12 are able to make medical decisions. Kids in Colorado, it's the State Department of Education mandates that you teach kids about SOGI in first grade.
3:18Sexual orientation gender identity. So, you're teaching kids about sex in first grade.
3:22That's mandated.
3:23>> any sex.
3:25>> Nothing first grade, right? And and this is like something 80% of parents agree on. But why is it being pushed in the schools? Like that's the question I ask.
3:33I have no issue with people being gay, being trans. Do whatever you want. If you want to identify as a, you know, Norwegian red squirrel, I don't care.
3:41Like go ahead.
3:42>> Oh, you're a transracial guy.
3:44>> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
3:45>> Can I be black for the day?
3:46>> Absolutely. Go ahead, man. I don't I'm not offended. So, I I care. But if you start pushing it on kids, that's where we have an issue, right?
3:55And that's what's happening right now.
3:57It's like a lot of parents are like, "Hey, you know, pump the brakes."
4:00So, what happened is in 2006, they codified this into human international law. It could have been 2009. I might be wrong on the dates.
4:08>> SOGI?
4:09>> That was the Yogyakarta Summit, where they created the human rights laws surrounding SOGI.
4:17And what that did is it it codified it in a international human rights law.
4:22>> Internationally?
4:23>> Internationally. But, what happened is the UN took that, and they said, "Okay, let's start enforcing it." So, that's where DEI comes in.
4:31And that really the UN are like the enforcers.
4:35They were the the, you know, OGs of pushing DEI and enforcing that. And then from there, you know, same Arcus Foundation, you could trace. It's really Arcus Foundation, the Gill Foundation, and it's like the Stryker family, like Pat Stryker. A lot of them are based in Colorado. So, that's why Colorado is like the guinea pig.
4:54It's like, "Let's see what we can do here. Let's see what we can create." It was like four billionaires flipped Colorado from being a red state to a blue state. It was just four people.
5:03And those four people are the ones that created and funded and established this SOGI, you know, curriculum.
5:12And so, it's anything against parental rights and against, you know, religious rights.
5:18And they they they attack So, you know, they funded all sorts of different, you know, advocacy groups to bring this into schools, and that's kind of like G GLSEN. They're kind of like the main group that pushes this curriculum into schools, and they funded them, as well.
5:36So, I mean, they hit it from top to bottom to get it to bring it into the schools. And I don't know. I I don't know if there's like, you know, some nefarious agenda to groom kids with all this. It's it seems that way. It seems like >> that way.
5:49>> It seems like that's what you're doing.
5:51You're You're taking advantage of very vulnerable kids. Um but the issue is and thankfully the Supreme Court just ruled with Momoud versus Taylor, I think last year, that parents can opt their kids out of uh any soji or LGBTQ curriculum because it's a violation of their religious freedom.
6:07>> How did they police that though?
6:10>> Exactly.
6:10>> Right.
6:11>> And And the the what I uncovered by going undercover inside the NEA cuz I actually went to their conference and went into the breakout sessions and heard what they were saying in closed door meetings.
6:21>> sound crazy.
6:22>> And they are actively subverting parents. There's things called like GSAs, which are gender sexuality awareness clubs, and they on camera are saying, "Um I may I recommend maybe you don't use this name. Try something different."
6:37Right. So, they have like 40 different inconspicuous names for this stuff. So, unfortunately, I don't want to sound like fearmongering.
6:45>> That's okay, but the truth.
6:46>> This stuff is happening all over the country, and it's happening indiscreetly. It's happening behind parents' backs, and the only way for you to know if it's happening or not is to really go in the school and go find out for yourself because the anywhere where the NEA is, the teachers' unions, which are there's 2.8 million members, and they are the largest labor union in the United States. They have a monopoly on education.
7:11Anywhere where they are, they have funded this stuff. They've given money to it. They've promoted it. So, it's in there.
7:19>> And it's textbook group think ideology, too, when it's bastardizing the worst possible way. By the way, when you were filming that though, cuz like you said, you have the undercover video in the doc, like how do How do you do that without being noticed?
7:31>> I don't know if I should give away my secrets. A lot of it was just on my know if I should give away my secrets. A lot of it was just on my iPhone.
7:36>> You just like >> Yeah, I just kind of like propped it up.
7:38Yeah.
7:39>> [laughter] >> I propped it up on my my backpack, actually.
7:43>> I could Yeah, they have no idea. I >> what we're saying.
7:46>> Yeah.
7:46>> That was crazy.
7:47>> Oh, my jaw hit the floor when they were like praising the Satanic Temple and I mean, you just look and like that's where I come to, you know, I >> [gasps] >> I wanted to avoid this stuff when I was making the film. I was like, I want to stay out of politics. I want to stay out of this stuff. I I just want to make a film about education. But then I realized like, oh, it's all interconnected. You can't separate them.
8:08Right? Because education is like the battlefield.
8:11>> And I think we're fine we're at a moment right now, too. It's a very unique moment and I mean this in a good way.
8:17It's a fun dangerous time in the sense that the veil has now been lifted on what I would characterize as like the uniparty system where you have the Democrats, the Republicans.
8:30At one moment, one sounds crazier than the other. It's kind of flipped that way back and forth my whole life. And then you realize they're all funded by the same people. Over time, they support the same systems overall. You know, maybe they argue about this, this, or that and how to do it, but they generally support the same things.
8:48And then you see such blatantly insane depraved, awful stuff like the Epstein stuff we're seeing right now where every administration, every Congress, D or R controlled over the last probably about 30 years has put a lid on it.
9:07And stopped it. So, if they're willing to do that for something like that, what are they willing to do for what they don't show you in education? You know, don't ask, don't tell. No pun intended.
9:17Right? Like that I don't know. This has been a really it feels like the perfect time for a bipartisan attack here because we are now realizing that the world is separated between extremely elite people and everyone else. And everyone else includes the homeless guy outside and your buddy whose dad's got a great small business that does like 8 million in revenue in a year and he drives a Porsche. Believe it or not. Like that sounds crazy, but like he's a nobody compared to what we're talking about.
9:53And I just you know, I try to play with this to not get my brain to go too far off the edge, but it's once you see it, it's impossible not to see.
10:03>> All right, baby, this will blow your mind a little bit more.
10:05>> Blow it away. Porsche.
10:06>> So, it not one single US president has sent their kids to a public school.
10:12>> That doesn't surprise me.
10:14>> This might blow your mind a little bit more.
10:17Horace Mann, >> Mhm.
10:18>> the guy that created this whole system, >> Homeschooled.
10:21>> homeschooled his kids.
10:21>> God damn it.
10:23>> He had three sons.
10:24>> God damn it.
10:24>> He homeschooled them.
10:26So, you're 100% spot on. It's It's an elitist system. It was built by the elites and they didn't even send their kids to it.
10:35Let that sink in. We all went through a system that they they themselves created and they didn't even send their kids to it.
10:44So, it shows. I mean, we we were viewed as like cattle, you know? It's like, let's just create consumers, let's create people that are going to just obey and and follow orders. And I think that's why everybody's having this crisis of meaning right now. Where it's like, what does this all mean? We're just consuming things? And it's like, no. Hey, no. That that's not how God intended it to be.
11:05You know, it's just how the system was captured.
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11:46You study a lot of history. I like that.
11:48That's I mean, that's that's how you learn things, but it is you know, and and I try to I'm I'm an optimist, and I also try to like be like let's pull it back to equilibrium and all that. Mhm. But, when you see the patterns as they are right now across every level of society, I don't need to list them all off. You know what I'm talking about. We're hitting on one of them today. But, like if this does not change at some point and people continue to fall in the spread of the wealth gap and meaninglessness, you will have a French Revolution moment.
12:22>> Big time.
12:22>> People think that Oh, that can't happen in [ __ ] 2020. [ __ ] they were [ __ ] burning cities 5 years ago cuz they were bored for 3 months on the couch.
12:31You know what I mean? Like and that wouldn't be good for anybody.
12:35>> We could rug the system pretty easily, actually. It's just we've all been kind of pitted against each other.
12:40>> Yes.
12:41>> It's all of us are paying taxes.
12:44If we all stopped paying taxes, they would have no money.
12:47>> Yeah.
12:47>> Right? That's the reality. That This is why, in my opinion, this is why they don't teach kids about taxes.
12:54If they taught us about the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and how all of this was all created, and they said, "Oh, yeah, actually before 1913, your ancestors, they weren't doing any of this stupid shit." Right? If they taught us that stuff in school, we wouldn't we would be like, "Oh, this is insane. We're not doing it." That's why they don't teach it, right? That's my whole thing is everybody focuses on, "Okay, there's all these crazy things they're teaching kids." Yes. What are the things they're not teaching us?
13:23>> Mhm.
13:23>> Right? They're not teaching us like what happened leading into the American Revolution. We're they're not teaching us that the founding fathers were in their like 20s and 30s and like got together and were like, "Nope, sorry."
13:34>> [ __ ] ripping hemp and writing out like the greatest documents of all time.
13:38>> Yeah, exactly. Like sacred geometry and they were just tapped in. So, yeah, on a positive note, I do feel like I on on one side, I'm like, "I don't want to push for a revolution. I want to push for a restoration." Like let's just >> Yes.
13:55>> out. Let's just get Let's just step out of that system. And it on it Yeah, it's probably going to die. It's going to continue to die.
14:04But if you opt yourself out and you inspire other people around you to pull their kids out of that system and you guys kind of start going this way, who start building like regenerative farms, we start, you know, getting back in tune with the land, we start decentralizing the money. We're seeing that happening. We have kind of the recipe, like you said, it's it's there.
14:23It's brewing. It's just the awareness has to click. There has to be that you know, there has to be that kind of critical mass moment where enough people It doesn't have to be the majority, but enough people are like, "Mhm, this just isn't this isn't benefiting us. It's not benefiting the world."
14:41Right? All these foreign wars, like I I and I don't know the answer to this, right? Because like I don't want to see like in Iran right now. We're at war.
14:51We're in a new war. You're You guys are well aware of that.
14:53It's like man, it just feels like this is like we're just repeating the same thing over and over. Like let's just go drop bombs, blow things up, and then it's going to fix everything? Like I've been I've spent time in the Middle East and that stuff doesn't work, man. It just doesn't [clears throat] seem like it works. It might like band-aid solution for a little bit, but it's expensive. It puts us into massive amounts of debt. I mean, I'm sure you've seen the charts of like the debt from president to president.
15:19>> It's insane. That is the can that has been kicked down the road that will blow up at some point.
15:28>> Mhm.
15:29>> It cannot not blow up. Does that mean it blows up next year? Not necessarily. But like in my lifetime, if it is not drastically changed, will it blow up?
15:38[ __ ] yeah. Well, what are we? 39 trill I don't even know the number now. You can't even keep track of this. It's like 39 trillion or something in debt. Like, yeah, we'll just invent [ __ ] paper money.
15:46>> I don't think those zeros would fit on this desk.
15:48>> They don't. They don't Yeah, there are the US debt clock Wow, I got it. 38 trillion 800 I can't even read that number out.
15:56>> how it's supposed to be read.
15:57>> Like yeah, like like how >> [laughter] >> Learn your [ __ ] math.
16:01That's what we should do. This is how you teach math. Kids, you want to see how much your daddy's [ __ ] losing in money?
16:08Count this. If you can count What is this? This is actually really cool.
16:13>> Yeah.
16:13>> USdebtclock.org and it's got every variable You could teach a whole class on this right here.
16:20>> American citizen.
16:21>> So, our mutual friend Mark Gagnon, has he told you about his schooling upbringing?
16:26>> No.
16:27>> Oh, so he's what you call a classically trained conspiracy theorist.
16:31>> Yeah, excellent.
16:32>> So, his mom homeschooled him and instead of like, you know, we're going to learn 100 plus 50 today, she'd be like Bilderberg.
16:42>> [laughter] >> So, what >> And then like, 9/11, building seven, no.
16:47>> Yeah.
16:48>> And like, his mom, who's a dear friend of mine, his mom was on it with a lot of things, including stuff that like eight months ago I'd been like, >> [sighs] >> I don't know, but now it's like, wow, she was ahead of the curve. It's like the quote should be like, a conspiracy is Gagnon's mom plus 25 years.
17:07>> Oh, wow.
17:08>> Yeah.
17:08>> Yeah, we're running out of conspiracy theories at this point.
17:11>> Yeah, I I don't even I I don't have much information for you at this point.
17:14>> Do you think when you look [clears throat] at that, when you look at the debt picture, like what how do you think this kind of plays out? Cuz I mean, you look at like Clinton was the last president to be able to get us in a surplus.
17:26>> Yeah. Unfortunately, he was >> bad surplus and some other stuff, but >> bad guy. Make Yeah, there's a few things. Bad guy.
17:35Uh the '94 crime bill act was terrible, though it was bipartisan, I'll give him that cuz he lost the midterms.
17:41And he repealed Glass-Steagall, which set the course, quite literally, for the financial crisis. These are all horrible things.
17:50Didn't get us into too many foreign wars compared to what we do. They had the whole situation in the Balkans, but not a lot of that.
17:57And oversaw the best years in American history. And to your point, you know, this is like saying it's a dwarf among midgets, but, you know, he was the best when it comes to not having our debt be completely out of control. Then you get Bush, Obama, >> [snorts] >> Mhm.
18:13>> Trump, Biden, it all stays the same. D or R, they just put it up because they got a win on a Tuesday in November.
18:22And everything is just a [ __ ] narrative.
18:25And it's just a plot point for some 30-second ad that some billionaire is going to spend like $10 million to buy on NBC while we're having our bread and circus watching the [ __ ] Patriots lose.
18:35>> Mhm.
18:36>> You know, it's not at at some point, I think in society, we got to talk about that. And we got to say, all right, what do we play in that system?
18:44>> Mhm.
18:45>> What role do we play? How much do we just sit on this all day and accept the never-ending scroll and not think about it and be like, you know what? I'm not going to touch that right now. Let's just get it out of here.
18:55You know, I I I think we also do have to look at ourselves, too, no?
18:59>> 100%. I think that's We have the power.
19:02Like, we the people.
19:04We constitutionally have the power. And if you look at the founding fathers for as imperfect as they were, they I think wrote that thing to prevent us from what we're living in. Like we just kind of were born into it. Like there was bad mistakes that previous generation I heard a quote that I don't remember where it came from but it was eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
19:26>> Eternal vigilance is the price of that's that's a bar.
19:31>> And >> Was that Biggie Smalls?
19:32>> It could have been. It could have been.
19:34It really could have been.
19:36I don't know who who ripped that one.
19:38>> Maybe it's another Keanu Reeves quote.
19:40>> Irish order.
19:41>> An Irish order? Okay.
19:42>> Oh, wow.
19:43>> Dang.
19:45But that that slapped.
19:47>> Yeah.
19:47>> from 1852? Wow.
19:49>> John Philpot Curran.
19:51Probably didn't like the royal family, I'm guessing.
19:53>> Okay.
19:54>> Yeah. Right? Yeah.
19:56>> That is an Irish thing to say.
19:58>> Yeah.
19:59>> I do feel that's what it is.
20:01>> The price of liberty.
20:03>> Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.
20:05>> is the price OF [ __ ] LIBERTY.
20:06>> [laughter] >> HE'S NOT A ME.
20:10>> YEAH, THAT WAS GREAT.
20:12>> [laughter] >> Whipping a Guinness stout down and saying that. He's like, "Wow. Yeah, I spit right there. Not going to lie, fam."
20:20>> And here we are repeating it.
20:22>> Yeah, Ben Franklin had a similar quote.
20:23He's like, "Those who What was it? Those who want Those who want protection >> Safety.
20:32>> for safety and safety in exchange for liberty and freedom deserve neither or something like that."
20:36>> Mhm.
20:37>> "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Yeah.
20:44>> Yeah.
20:45>> No cap. Yeah, they were they were they were dialed.
20:47>> Yeah, he's my favorite. I studied the [ __ ] out of him. He was way ahead of his time, man.
20:52>> Mhm.
20:52>> Like just a genius.
20:54>> So do you feel What what would it take cuz I mean I look at so many things that are happening today and I'm like, "Oh, like we already have enough of an excuse to not pay taxes." But like do you think there's like something where do you see a point where we could could get where everybody kind of looks around and is just like yeah, let's just stop paying them.
21:17Or maybe not stop paying them in full, but like, you know, do you see that being a possibility or could that just destroy everything?
21:22Could that could that make it way worse than it is?
21:25>> Do you want me to tell you what I want the answer to be or what I think it is?
21:29>> Both.
21:31>> What I want the answer to be is say, "Yeah, [ __ ] the system. Let's all just peace out, throw up our middle fingers, and it'll all work out."
21:38The reality is we've been the empire for a while in America, so that means you have no friends. Even your friends are like, "Yeah, you know."
21:48You think the British don't remember '76? They still do. They're like, "Yeah, that was us. We had that." And now they got it, you know? So like this I love our British friends, obviously, but your government's are governments.
21:58You know, the system crashing all at once would probably you know, would you want to rule over ashes or would you want to like rebuild where you do the phoenix part before the ashes? I'd want to do the phoenix part before the ashes, which means you probably couldn't just all be like, you know, let's all not pay it. However, the spirit of that and rebelling against at least some of it that we can all agree on.
22:26Now, that that what's that that middle ground right there? That might be something because I mean, how many billions of dollars are we going to spend on Ukraine? How many times am I going to see 10 million of my tax dollars have a senator sign, "Fuck Gaza." and send it in to kill kids, you know, on the rocket before they do it. Like that's not what I'm paying for.
22:46What I'm what I want to pay for is that the bus picks up the kids and takes the kids to a school where they're actually going to learn something and not be [ __ ] brainwashed, you know? The trash gets taken to the proper place and it's not asbestos in the [ __ ] system. Like these are very simple ass, but we don't we don't get them.
23:06>> Mhm.
23:06>> So to your point, yeah, at some point there should be some sort of collective like, yeah, this isn't going to fly.
23:14>> That's beautiful. Do you feel the boomers are kind of like once they're gone, do you feel like our generation stepping in is going to have that kind of social awareness?
23:24That's the one thing I'm very interested to see.
23:27>> what do you think?
23:28>> It's going to be a mixed bag.
23:30>> I'm sure because >> the the issue with institutional power is they they have so much money now and so much influence and you know, people don't want to give that up once they have it.
23:41But I do see, you know, if people like Thomas Massie, I think are a great example, but they're all also getting pushed out. You know.
23:49>> You think he's going to win?
23:50>> Yes.
23:50>> Okay, I hope so.
23:51>> I think I actually I think that's a great argument for hope here. I think people are seeing through that like, what?
23:59He tried to release the Epstein files and said no to AIPAC money and you're trying to get him out of there. Go [ __ ] yourself.
24:05>> That'll be a huge win. I think bigger than more people maybe realize if he wins that. What are the polling numbers out?
24:12>> out. I'd love to He's He's tweeting like right now to me, him and Ro Khanna are like a protected class for me. I've never said that about politicians, but I'm like, yo, y'all are the least two worst among us right now.
24:26>> [laughter] >> He's tweeting like he's scared, which scares me. Maybe that's just on purpose to make sure he wins by [ __ ] 75%. I I hope that's what it is, but you know, I feel like a lot of people in his in in in Kentucky, you know, they're not they're not too worried about Israel. I feel like they got bigger fish to fry down there.
24:47>> Yeah.
24:47>> And when some guy comes out and says, you know, I'm going to make sure that I'm I'm a great [ __ ] friend to Israel in Congress, they're going to be like, what?
24:55>> Yeah.
24:56>> No, I'm going to stick with this guy, you yeah. I got to go take care of my chicken coop right now. It's like I got time for this.
25:01>> this is the same state that has Rand Paul that's been elected forever. So, I mean, I think that's a good omen. Do we have anything, Beef?
25:09>> The only thing I got is Cal-She.
25:10>> So, they're suppressing the polls.
25:12That's what they're doing.
25:13>> Well, he's favored on Cal-She.
25:15>> Okay, good.
25:15>> Only by 59 to 41.
25:18>> Yeah.
25:19>> Well, that's pretty pretty decent. All right, if you're listening from Kentucky, get out.
25:22>> Yeah, what And by the way, >> Massie in.
25:25>> Look at this.
25:26Look at the Look at the Cal-She polling.
25:29Since the Epstein files were released right here, he's at 76% >> Uh-huh.
25:34>> and now he's down to 59.
25:37>> He is on an upward spike now, which is good.
25:39>> good. But, I mean, come on, people. This isn't hard.
25:42>> Yeah.
25:44Yeah, I am optimistic though. I I am overly Overall, I'm optimistic because so many parents are choosing to educate their kids now. And so, I think we're going to have way more critical thinkers in the world.
25:58And especially with AI, we're going to have this gap where you're going to have kids like at Alpha school or, you know, different solutions like Notion that I focused on in Mexico. You're going to have kids that are creators that know how to use these technologies to create.
26:16And then you're going to have consumers.
26:18So, my my prayer, my hope is that we have a lot of kids that are creators.
26:26That are engaging in society and not victims, right? We do not want to teach kids to be victims. I think there's a lot of that going on right now where we're kind of teaching kids, "Oh, you know, this is a racist country. This system's oppressive." And da da da da da. You know, it's important as, you know, know what happened, like we've been discussing, but we have to solve problems. We have to, you know, try change things, create change.
26:52So, I'm optimistic that that's going to happen.
26:55Maybe I'm crazy for thinking that, but >> I I and I hope you're right. I hope you're right. I I think we also need to normalize other types of heroes, too. So, I think it's awesome when you grow up and you have some heroes who are athletes or entertainers and stuff like that and, you know, maybe they're really good guys, too, and they do something really impressive. I don't Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater here. I think that's great when kids like that.
27:20But, I think it'd be really cool if more kids grew up and looked at, you know, like a Navy SEAL David Goggins as a hero and stuff like that because and he's an extreme example cuz he's the ultimate You just got to do it. You got to be hard, [ __ ] Right? But, still, there is something in that and he lives it, by the way. Like, we've seen all these cre- I mean, you've seen it up close, but you saw a lot of people come up at the dawn of the internet and they claimed all these things and they looked like this thing and now we're far past the point where we realize, ah, he wrote some checks his ass couldn't cash. David
27:56Goggins is still I I watched a video of him like 3 months ago like finishing some 107-mi race with his [ __ ] knee falling off in the middle of the night.
28:05It looks miserable to me, but like that's what he said he was doing a decade ago, that's what he's still doing, you know? And I think I think who our kids look up to and and the types of attitudes that those people have about life is extremely extremely important.
28:21>> Mhm. Yeah, we I mean, we used to call that the rugged individual, right?
28:26Rugged individualism. And it does seem like you you need a little bit more of that. Um, you know, like the warmth of collectivism.
28:34>> [laughter] >> I think your governor or well, not yours, New York's governor or mayor is uh that's that's kind of his slogan.
28:42Yeah.
28:43The more safety nets we provide in society, the safer we make it, um and the less risk, you know, the more you can just sue people for anything, it creates comfort and it's expensive.
28:56>> Yeah.
28:56>> All these welfare programs, all these social programs are very expensive, but if you can empower people to be rugged individuals, that's where we come from, like the pioneers, like the early settlers here.
29:06That was not easy life.
29:07>> No.
29:08>> Not easy life. And I'm not I wouldn't want to go back and have to live in those conditions by any means.
29:13But I agree with you that mindset, you know, being built for whatever can be thrown at you. I mean, the Ukraine war is what it is. I spent a year in Ukraine and it really taught me >> in Ukraine?
29:27>> Yeah. Yeah, spent a year in there.
29:29>> All right, tell me about that. How did you How the [ __ ] did you end up there?
29:33>> I I was originally going to go for 10 days.
29:36And I went >> He's like content.
29:38>> Didn't tell my mom.
29:39>> [laughter] >> Did not tell mom on that one.
29:42Like, "Mom, hey, how are you doing?"
29:43She's like, "What are you Where are you at?" Ukraine?
29:46>> What?
29:47>> [laughter] >> But I was um I had done some work with a humanitarian organization called Global Empowerment Mission and they're based in Doral, Florida. Um I had done some stuff with them in the Amazon, more natural disaster stuff with the Amazon fires in 2019. And that that That kind of like planted the seed for me to start doing things greater than myself. I was like, "I want to try to contribute to something greater than me."
30:11>> So, you went down there while the fires were going on?
30:13>> Went down there and we we did a cool program where we like bought a bunch of firefighter gear for a bunch of uh indigenous people that were like just needed stuff to fight these little fires.
30:22>> Where in the Amazon?
30:23>> Bolivia.
30:24>> Okay.
30:24>> It was on the Bolivia side.
30:26And um in 2022, I saw the the war, I saw the invasion and uh it really shook me.
30:35I was like, just from a purely humanitarian perspective, I was like, man, this is like messed up. And so I went out there in July, so just a couple months after it it had started, and I went to a city called Bucha, which was just outside of Kyiv. And that was where the Bucha massacre happened. So, the Russian soldiers uh basically came in and they killed and they raped a bunch of girls, like really young girls, like some of them were like 8, 9 years old, 13 years old. They killed like over 500 civilians, just mass graves. And I saw all of it, and I was interviewing these people. I mean, it was insane.
31:09And so >> the mass graves?
31:11>> Yeah, yeah, saw it. Uh the the battle that had happened, I mean, just like houses blown up, bullet holes everywhere. I mean, it was just like a game of Call of Duty like had just rolled through. It was the most insane thing I've seen.
31:21>> What's it like though, you know, it's not like you were a special forces soldier who'd seen like 40 tours of duty or something. What's it like to come upon a place where there are civilian Of course, I mean, the the the regular army men bodies, too, but like women and children just dead by the hundreds or or thousands. I I can't I can't fathom that.
31:45>> No, I mean, that's why I stayed. I was like, "I'm staying here. I'm not going home. I'm going to like help these people cuz they don't deserve this."
31:54>> Does it desensitize you a little bit once you see that so much?
31:58>> Uh yes and no. I think it's more of like you learn how to maybe handle it a little bit more. Uh so, yeah, I I I guess it can desensitize you cuz I mean, you have to. I mean, human the human nature in us has to normalize whatever environment we're in, right?
32:13Like when I'm in Ukraine, there's people walking their dogs while the air raid sirens are going off, and there's like Shahed drones flying into the city, and I had to do the same thing, you know?
32:22Like I would just be like, "I I can't stay cowered in fear while these alarms are going off." So, >> Who were you there with?
32:29>> Um with the nonprofit that I'm that I'm working with.
32:32>> like how many people are we talking?
32:34>> Um well, so we it's cool. I like the org that I work with because we don't import a bunch of foreign volunteers. So the guy I work with Michael Capone. He's the founder of of global empowerment mission and so he I went in with him, but he travels a lot and so I started going out to the Donbas which is like the eastern part of Ukraine and I spent a lot of time out there kind of helping cuz the war had shifted from Kiev to the Donbas and so I went out there. I was kind of like on the first teams to go out there and start assessing just like hey, what's going on? What are the needs like just seeing what's what's up, you
33:11know?
33:11>> What did the people say there in the Donbas? Like what was the vibe? Were there people cuz that's the one region that people talk about like well, there's Russian speakers. Do they want to be in Ukraine?
33:21Do they want to be Russian? Like there's so much propaganda there. What what did you find?
33:25>> is crazy. Well, I found that there's a crazy amount of propaganda and the vast majority of people uh want to be Ukrainian. They Yeah, because they after the Soviet Union life was tough but it was way better in Ukraine than it was Russia. I think from the western perspective we look at like oh Ukraine is super corrupt. Yeah, they have their issues. Russia's got way worse issues.
33:50Yeah, you know, Ukraine is definitely more leaning towards being European obviously especially now.
33:56But yeah, by and large people wanted to be Ukrainian. I I maybe ran across a couple people that were just like I don't care.
34:03But the vast majority of people are like no, we don't want to go back to that. We do not want to go back to the Soviet Union.
34:09So that's why they're fighting. They're fighting like hell to you know, prevent prevent Russia from taking their land.
34:16>> It's also wild though that you're talking about a war that has estimates of like 2 million casualties like a million whatever it was we looked at the other day do you have like a million dead?
34:26And the world the world continues funding it and continues and I've had guys in here who are you know, from the military side who have been there on the lines as well, who can at least also speak to the style of war fighting and everything. And they're like, "These [ __ ] they're fighting for 2 weeks over 14 yards, and there's hundreds of bodies stacking up." Oh, yeah. And this is happening all over the country. And at some point, you're like, people talk about like bankers wars and population control. You're like, are we just watching this happen in real time?
34:59>> Mhm.
35:00Yeah, it's tough. It's it you know, what's the solution?
35:04I think if I had the answer to that, then I'd probably be in a different position.
35:09I don't know what the solution is. It's it's tough. I I love the Ukrainian people. They're beautiful. Their their spirit is incredible. Um I feel like the Ukraine Ukrainians have a lot to bring to the world, too. So, I do >> that?
35:24>> Their their skill, their grit, their their abilities. I mean, you look at the drone technology that they've developed. That alone is is phenomenal. I mean, they had a really strong tech industry before that was emerging. They have an immense amount of natural resources, you know. Do we want that going to Russia? Do we want that staying with Europe? I mean, these aren't the questions that you I want to answer, but it's like, you kind of have to answer some of those questions, you know, with geopolitics.
35:52So, judging by Russia, I I don't know if we want to see a a really strong Russian empire again.
35:58>> Yeah. And and that's And that's the other thing, too. It's like, >> kicking the can down the road, right? We already dealt with that. And like, do we want to deal with it again? Do we want to let them regain the Soviet Union? And >> That's part of the reason I think you got to stop this war, cuz they have a GDP the size of Italy. No offense, but they're not like that. They could become like that if you allow them to fight a perpetual war, gain more ground, potentially get access to resources strictly because you kept the war going that they wouldn't had access to and now you play it 50, 60 years out and maybe suddenly they have a
36:31GDP the size of China.
36:32>> Mhm.
36:33>> I mean, I'm taking a lot of leaps there, but like it's not out of the realm of possibility. Whereas, if you just I mean, the West is funding the war, too.
36:41You can go in and be like, all right, let's make some sort of little compromise here. You could you could take what would feel like a all right, we're letting Putin live. We don't like that, but people aren't dying, which I feel like they don't care about and also, sadly, and also you have controlled growth of where Russia is.
37:01And now there's a clear red line. Like if they try anything, they're gone. Like that'll be the the world won't give them a second time for it to be like, well, what about the people that would it would just be like, nope, you come over, you're getting invaded. That's it.
37:15>> Mhm.
37:16Yeah, this is why I think it's like, hopefully it's the final war, you know, if for for them.
37:20>> Not looking good, bro. We just [ __ ] invaded Iran, so.
37:23>> Yeah. Well, I'm saying the final war between Ukraine and Russia. Hopefully this is kind of like you draw the lines and you enforce that and you have outside, you know, we were supposed to enforce that when Ukraine gave up their their nukes. We we kind of had a little deal with them.
37:37>> Yeah, we also broke promises to Russia, too, in the '90s that cannot be denied.
37:43>> Yep.
37:43>> And there's been a lot >> a messy >> It's a lot of like hornet's nest kicking. You know what I mean? Like over and over again they're like, ah, we'll kick this Putin guy again. He won't care. It's like, well, he just killed two journalists in [ __ ] Britain. I feel like he care. Yeah, we'll kick him again. Oh, now he killed his political opposition. I think he cares. Yeah, we'll kick him again. No, now he invaded Ukraine. It's like, what do you expect to happen?
38:04>> Yep.
38:05>> You know?
38:06>> Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. I'm not the geopolitic expert, but from a purely humanitarian perspective, I think it's it's pretty clear like who's on the on the right side, if you will. I think the Ukrainian people don't want this war, right? If >> If If it was up to Ukrainian people, the war would be over today. If it was up to and you know, they would exist. If they gave up right now, they wouldn't exist anymore.
38:32>> Mhm.
38:33>> So, it's a it's a war for existence.
38:35>> fault.
38:35>> It's not their fault.
38:36>> their fault for sure. But but you were there for a full year.
38:39>> Mhm.
38:40>> So, what what was you know, you said you wanted to be there for 10 days originally and you're there with the guys the head of the humanitarian foundation, but like who are you are you with specific people in the Ukrainian military? Are you with specific people civilians who are fixers? Like what does it look like and what were what did you end up doing on a day-to-day for a year?
38:58>> So, I was with a ex-special forces guy in the Ukrainian military and then some active special forces guys as well. So, the the military would kind of take us around.
39:11Like we went to Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Vuhledar, Kupiansk, like all of all over the front lines from Kherson to Zaporizhzhia and um all throughout the Donbas and we would we would go.
39:25So, our primary mission was to bring food to essentially what happens within at the time when it was just artillery.
39:32Now, it's drone warfare. So, I mean, if you're like anywhere 10 km near the front line, like FPV drones, you're literally whenever we're driving, we're like looking out, listening, no music because those things are lethal.
39:44>> Yeah.
39:44>> Um when I was out there in the beginning, it was primarily artillery, but they had destroyed all these grocery stores. They were attacking all the power plants. So, these [snorts] people wanted to stay and if they flee, they become refugees and they we don't want that. Nobody wants that in the in Europe, nobody wants that in the world. You don't want a bunch of refugees, that creates a crisis. So, our job was how can we keep these people here? They want to stay here. Well, they need food. They need water. They need windows to be repaired that have gotten blown out, you know, when it's the winter. that was our
40:17primary focus. Going village to village and, you know, it started with just a a small team and now we have, you know, thank the Howard Buffett Foundation funds our whole operation out there. So, we have, you know, uh we're doing I think like 800,000 people a month receive food from our organization.
40:36>> That that's making a big difference.
40:37>> It's yeah, it's it's a massive massive humanitarian operation. And we're we're an NGO. So, we're performing what it's and I don't say this to brag, it's just it's kind of I think it's cool. We only have 3% overhead. So, when you look at other nonprofits or like you look at UN agencies, I mean, they have immense amount of overhead and they're doing a fraction of what we're doing. So, they have an extra zero on their budget and they're doing less than what we're doing. So, that's been cool to work with an organization that's disrupting the space. So.
41:06>> You going back?
41:08>> Yeah. Yeah, I'll be back.
41:09>> When?
41:10>> June, I think. June or September.
41:12>> you planning on staying?
41:13>> Not that long. Thankfully, you know, our model is empowerment and they're empowered. Like they're all Ukrainians.
41:19Like we have like 3,000 Ukrainian employees. We don't really send any Americans there.
41:25>> Oh, so you're making jobs, too.
41:26>> Yeah. Yeah, that's what it's about. And, you know, the traditional model is like send your staff in there and you do it all. And then when you leave, you leave.
41:34But like that's not our model. Our model is like let's empower victims of that disaster. Let's give them the tools they need to to help.
41:42>> I like that.
41:42>> So, I don't really need to be there anymore. In the beginning, I kind of needed to be there cuz I needed to help, you know, and and oversee things, make sure it was going to the right places. I didn't have anything to gain, you know.
41:54So, you got to kind of make sure people are, you know, doing what they're saying, you know, doing what they're saying they're going to do.
41:59>> Were you ever in situations where you were genuinely like afraid for your life?
42:04>> Yeah. Yeah. I could send you a video. I have a GoPro video of if you want to watch it.
42:10>> Send away. Yeah, give it to D. Let's uh he'll pull it up while we're talking.
42:14>> Yeah.
42:14>> That's >> Wow, see what I can find here.
42:17>> Katarina Schulz was actually just there, too. And you talk about the drone warfare. We've done a couple podcasts recently really talking about drones, as well. So, it's like kind of top of mind, but she had to change She was there So, she does like a lot of cartel reporting.
42:34And she had to change the tree line behind her using AI, so it looks fake behind her behind where a bunch of these these Ukrainian soldiers who are mercenaries that they were hiring had their face blurred. So, people were like, "Oh, this picture's fake." She's like, "It's not, but the background is changed because the military mandates that you have to change the background and everything because it allows for geo-locational targeting >> Mhm.
43:00>> of drones and people get taken out. And it's like, "Jesus Christ, man."
43:05>> Oh, yeah.
43:05>> I mean, I do remember for what it's worth. I remember like when they were even when I was a little kid when they were chasing Bin Laden and he would do a video. He would always have to make sure at the beginning he was like doing videos with rocks behind him. And even back in like '02, the CIA would be like reading for the structure and makeup of of the rocks on this on the 480p video and trying to determine the location of it just based on the rock. So, it's like imagine what they can [ __ ] do now. They're probably like, "All right, he's at this longitude and latitude in front of this place
43:37because we see that scar and that tree and out of the [ __ ] 12 billion country, that one's like I wouldn't be surprised if they could do that, for sure.
43:48>> Oh, they definitely geo-locate.
43:49>> We had to turn off our I just texted you the link, so maybe you can send it to him.
43:53>> send it to Dief.
43:54>> Go ahead and download that. But, um yeah, you have to turn off your phone's location services.
44:00Um there's a lot of protocols that we had to go through whenever we were getting near the front lines.
44:05Just you you they can pick that up. They pick up the cell service and they can just like send a drone right away.
44:12We had a couple close calls with our team, thankfully. We've got, you know, everybody's been safe so far, so.
44:18>> Now, this video you and I are going to watch it. Is this something we can have on screen now?
44:23>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you guys can trust us.
44:24>> Okay.
44:26It's not going to show like people dying though.
44:28>> No.
44:28>> Okay.
44:29>> It might show some gore, so you might have to >> All right, so we'll just make a note of that if we have to like blur out some stuff.
44:35>> Fortunately not.
44:35>> And this is a little bit This is like a 3-minute video. If you want to watch the whole thing, you can, or you can just >> Where do you want us to cut it to if you don't want us watching the whole thing?
44:43>> Well, you can play a little bit from the beginning just to get context and then and then you can skip out a little bit.
44:48>> And what This was 2022 or 2023?
44:52>> This was 2023, I believe.
44:57>> Who's that in front of you?
44:59>> That's just a The So, we were giving out humanitarian aid boxes here.
45:07So, these people their apartment just got hit by a missile.
45:15>> [clears throat] >> Sounds like she's going to go read that just hit her.
45:29So, you can hear in the background there's like a full-blown tank battle that was happening.
45:32>> So, there's a full-blown tank battle happening here.
45:34>> [laughter] >> God, it's like and and that's just not it's like in the middle of a regular town.
45:46>> Yeah. It's one day it was normal and now it is just >> So, we saw the smoke rising, so we I was like I just pointed I None of the guys I was with could speak English.
45:56So, I just pointed at the smoke and he's like, "Oh, let's go check it out." And this is my buddy Mirnae.
46:01And we pulled up and there's this guy there's a soldier that uh um basically lost his leg.
46:11So it's just insane. We're like, "Well, we can't leave him." So we just like threw a towel on his stump and loaded him up.
46:19>> [snorts] >> Wow.
46:21>> [laughter] >> And the GoPro is on your head right now.
46:31Yeah.
46:32And this is insane footage, man. Yeah, my heart was like going >> [laughter] >> Let me just get out. And then now this other soldier saw us and he messed up his hand So we loaded him up.
47:02And artillery was coming in while we were leaving.
47:05>> Like towards you?
47:06>> Yeah, around us. Yeah.
47:08>> How close was the hospital or a doctor?
47:11>> We drove I want to say maybe like 15 minutes to like a front There was like a little front line like undercover undercover hospital.
47:24So yeah, they basically the Russians like launched a bunch of grad missiles in and they like blew up these these guys got hit by them.
47:37Yeah, that was that was probably the most gnarly and then we had other situations where we just had to get out, but >> Did you I you know, there's so much happening and you're also capturing to tell the story and you're also helping normal civilians who are getting hurt, but you know, you're you are in the middle of a war quite obviously. Like do you have your moments where you're like, "All right, might not come home today."
48:02>> That one was one of them. Cuz as we were extracting that guy, you might not be able to hear it, but like stuff was coming in. And I was just like, "Oh, we could like there was just this moment where I thought in my mind I was like, "Oh, I could die right now."
48:15But you have two two options. It's like, you're either okay, I'm going to panic, or let's go. Let's get this guy out of here as fast as possible.
48:24So for me that activated, you know, it's like let's let's get get it done.
48:30>> Yeah, I mean that's great too. You You guys did get him out of there, but like we I don't know. It's It it's impossible to know what you would feel like until you're in that moment, right? And knock on wood, I've never had to be in a moment like that. That's insane. But like are you is there so much adrenaline going that you're like at peace with it, too? Where you're like, "You know what?"
48:50>> You know, I I even on that video, maybe it wasn't on that clip, but on the way out I I was just like, "Man, what are we doing? Like this is war." When you experience war like that, like I I think any politician that's pushing war, their kids should have like somebody from their family should have to be involved.
49:09Because it changes the game.
49:11>> I'll take it a step further. I think anyone with like if we had to codify it in law, anyone with a following of X number and above who's openly advocating for war, they should have to send a family member.
49:24>> Yeah, or go.
49:25>> Yep.
49:26>> Yeah, it's uh war is hell, man. It's You hear that all the time, but it is. And when you see the human cost, thankfully that guy survived. He lost his leg. Um but when you see the human cost, like I I've been to some of the hospitals out there and some of the stuff I've seen in in Gaza as well, you just see all this, you're like, "Ah, man, this is like the last thing we want to do. We do not want war."
49:49And it's easy for all these politicians like Lindsey Graham, like, "Hey, buddy, I would love to see you put on a a tactical vest."
49:57>> Uh he's got to get the ball gag out of his mouth first.
50:00>> I didn't say it.
50:01Listen. Hey, no, it's >> It's true.
50:04>> It's true. If you actually went to the front lines and you had to risk your life and you had to be in it, you at least, even if you still supported it, you would at least be a lot more humble.
50:16You like the hubris would not be there.
50:18Like, you'd be like, "Damn, I have to make a decision that people are going to die." Like, it's a it's a it's a tough one.
50:24>> I have >> you see our politicians, they're so far removed from it. Like, you look at George Washington, that homie was ripping.
50:31>> He was in it.
50:31>> You look at Theodore Roosevelt. I didn't know that about him. He was He was in it. He was in Cuba like storming trenches. I'm like, bro.
50:39>> Dude, Theodore Roosevelt, when he was a politician, can we check this, Steve? I want to make sure I'm not making this up. I'm pretty sure it was him. He was literally shot in an assassination attempt and [ __ ] finished his speech.
50:49>> He He did. You're right.
50:50>> Yeah. You're right about >> Like, he he was about that life.
50:52>> Yeah, they were about that life.
50:54To some credit, I mean, Trump at least got shot, but it was just a little bit.
50:58You know, and I was just like, >> I will I will I will give him that though. Like, I had a lot of special forces guys like the you [snorts] find out who people are when the bullets are flying and that [ __ ] you know, >> He was about it. He was about it.
51:10>> He got up.
51:11>> Like, >> Yeah. That was epic. That was an epic moment.
51:14>> epic, for sure.
51:15>> You can hate on him, but like, that was gnarly.
51:18>> 100%.
51:18>> got up, it was like, "Fight! Fight!"
51:20>> I was like, "Jeez, bro." [laughter] >> I'm saying. Yeah, I Lindsey Graham has just been one that I've been abusing on Twitter like crazy and I'm going to continue to do it because here's the thing, he has been to the front lines and stuff. There's Yeah, there's crazy video. I don't know if you'll be able to find this, Steve.
51:37There's an insane video of Lindsey Graham and I think John McCain talking to Ukrainian soldiers in like 2014 through a translator surrounded by all these guys saying like stoke and war being like we got to kill the Russian we you guys are going to save civilization or whatever. So they go there and they propagandize people like we know how many times the [ __ ] guys going to Israel. I think he should live there. You know, but it's like I just want to know what what kind of tapes they got on him.
52:11>> Yeah.
52:13One that and the thing is is you had a lot of politicians like going to Kiev.
52:17But Kiev's different than Avdiivka.
52:20>> Yeah, they're going to the presidential palace in Kiev with Vogue.
52:24>> And Trump Putin purposely doesn't shoot rockets when you know our politicians are there. He doesn't want to risk anything. So >> He's not suicidal.
52:33He is not a suicidal guy. I will give Putin that. He he I think people when they look at someone they don't like especially you know leader of some country or something they tend to throw out they tend to underestimate their mind. And that's a big mistake. Putin is not a dummy at all.
52:52>> No.
52:53They were doing some dumb stuff in the beginning but that's just because of their old tactics but they've learned.
52:58They've adopted. They're they're dialed.
53:01Um Yeah, I don't know how I don't know how that all ends. I'm glad that they're at least kind of at the table.
53:07>> I hope.
53:10>> In order to end it I what what Russia wants in order to end it is just like laughable. So it's like jeez it's like one step forward two steps back sometimes it feels.
53:19>> There's got to be that middle ground.
53:21There's got to be that thing where you're giving up something you don't like but you're not giving up all they want and there's a clear red line now in the sand that it's like you do this you're done.
53:30>> Yeah.
53:30>> Cuz we didn't we didn't have that last time because the back and forth botched diplomacy on both sides for effectively 30 years at that point. You know, But, when were you When were you in Gaza? How recent was that?
53:47>> Gaza was 2020 4 in March.
53:53>> Now, how'd you get in there?
53:55>> I think.
53:55Um I had gotten in there through Egypt when the Egypt crossing was was up.
54:01>> Wow.
54:02>> Um now you can't go in through Egypt.
54:04Israel's got it fully sealed off because there was a lot of like tunnels and stuff under Egypt. So, when I went I went into Rafa and then we kind of went up into like uh Deir al-Balah, like the middle Gaza. Gaza City.
54:18>> What was that like?
54:20>> I was just saying in the beginning it uh before we jumped on it was kind of like a game of like Battleship because we were staying in a house that's on the deconfliction notice. So, like basically we would tell the, you know, there's like an organization that kind of coordinates things with the Israeli military and you have to tell them, "Hey, we've got humanitarian aid workers here in this house so that they don't like send a missile and blow up the house."
54:44But, just days before the World Central Kitchen uh or after actually the World Central Kitchen workers had been killed.
54:53So, and they were driving in a humanitarian marked vehicle. It was just an accident, total accident. They were driving at night and they were mistaken and they got all got killed.
55:03Um rest in peace to all of them.
55:05And um so yeah, it's just it was, you know, the windows would rattle anytime there was like an explosion and you'd hear some gunfire cuz there's like gangs competing with each other. It was just like wild west, but >> Wait, gangs competing with each other?
55:19>> Yeah, there's all sorts of like inside Gaza there's like warring gangs. There's like families that are fighting each other while Israel's also attacking them. It's like it's messy. It's a very messy.
55:31Um but through, you know, one of the beautiful aspects of it was the, you know, Palestinian people were incredible. Like our Palestinian team, they're amazing. They're incredible humans.
55:43The vast majority of Palestinians do not support Hamas. I think um you know, they just want peace just like most people in the world. So, um it was really cool to like get to meet and interact with people like that and just I got to like walk down some of the streets and like meet a ton of people, hand out food and water and blankets and stuff. So, it was a it was a you know, I felt very grateful to be able to do that.
56:10>> Were they How do I want to ask this?
56:14Were they angry?
56:16Angry >> Big time.
56:18>> what was happening?
56:19>> Yeah.
56:19>> Of course. It's kind of an obvious question, but the reason I asked >> got yelled at a little bit from a couple people and I like totally understood.
56:25You know, just like a couple younger girls, they were like really angry and they were like, "We don't want your aid." You know, like this is your fault. This is your government's fault.
56:35And that's heartbreaking to hear cuz it's like I don't support it. If it was up to me, I would not have allowed that at all. And to hear that and then you're trying to help and it's like ah, it's it's tough.
56:45>> Yeah. The reason I ask is just because the, you know, $10 trillion question is if it stopped I mean, it's technically stopped right now, but is it really? Like if if it actually stopped and they were able to have meaning the Palestinians were able to have their own place before even we get to the two country solution, which I've always believed in.
57:10You know, would they be able to forgive?
57:14Cuz it's a massive massive murder that's occurred.
57:20>> Yeah.
57:21>> Uh yeah, I believe so.
57:23I I I don't I can't speak to everyone.
57:25I'm sure there's a lot of people that you know, you wipe out 36 people to get one guy. Like I know stories well, you you know, that that's happened and you create a lot of trauma. You know, these wars create so much trauma.
57:42And it it's like it creates more perpetual generational trauma and issues that you have to >> Right.
57:47>> solve down down the line.
57:49But yeah, I do believe a lot of them can move on past this and you know, they just want peace.
57:55That's it.
57:57>> I hope so and I hope I see it in my lifetime cuz the the the the whole situation's really sad and unfortunately, you know, because we can see things. It's not like the old days where it was, you know, 50 years ago there were three channels that told you whatever it was for the day and that was it. Now people can see things including stuff that is not real on any side of any war. So that's always tough, but like, you know, when you see that the intelligence in Iran is so good that they knew where the where the [ __ ] Ayatollah was taking a [ __ ] through traffic lights.
58:30>> Mhm.
58:30>> But then the same Israeli government claims that oh, we have no idea what those tunnels are in Gaza in our [ __ ] backyard that have been there for 20 years.
58:39Come on.
58:40Come on. You tell me you got to take out a city block of 185 people for the one guy because you don't have good enough intelligence.
58:49I don't buy it.
58:50I don't buy it and my buddy Eric Zuleger has an amazing quote that I cite all the time where he says people are not their governments and he's absolutely right about that and I do try to really separate that. I think, you know, I think sometimes we will demonize all over the world an entire group of people. You pick who it is because of something that's happening.
59:13But the the reality is it's like how do they do our cancer drugs? They kill everything and ideally we'd have cancer drugs that maybe could actually cure it by just attacking the disease. I think that's what we got to try to figure out as humanity, too. Like how do you attack the disease of dictatorships and tyrannies and you know, maniacal governments and stuff like that without discarding all the people too. Because that's what happens in these struggles and in this situation we've seen the people in Gaza discarded. And it's horrible.
59:45>> Yeah, absolutely. I mean that's why for me personally I come back to you know, my faith and Christ. I think you know, Christ is king and I feel you know, when you look at that that territory Jesus Yeshua was a Palestinian Jew.
60:02Like he was both and I feel like we have the answer.
60:06>> He was based before based existed.
60:09>> Yeah, he he invented based.
60:11>> [laughter] >> And I feel like we have the answer. We have the answer of like hey, we have something to unify to follow. It's just these extremisms >> Yes.
60:20>> are like you said it's like can we surgically remove those extremes on both sides and you know, make sure if we are wielding our military it's only used to do just that and then to protect people and yeah, I I'm with you man. I think the only pathway we can have is optimism.
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