We don't want to be cynical, but it does sometimes occur that maybe we're talking about the wrong things. We mean that when a big news event happens and everyone in the media is talking about one element of it, and we're usually part of that herd, embarrassingly, you have to ask yourself at a certain point, h could it be that the thing that we're all talking about is not the most important thing? Could it be that we're talking about it or being led into that conversation on purpose? I again not to be a conspiracy nut or anything, but it's possible that happens. And here's a example ongoing. And that's a straight of Hormuz. We've done a bunch
0:40of different shows in the Straight of Hormuz. Straight of Hormuz is obviously inherently significant. It's the waterway now famously at the eastern end of the Persian Gulf through which a lot of the world's energy flows. Iran has the longest shoreline along that straight.
0:53We're all geography experts now. And so now we all know that it's essential to keep that waterway open. And then it curves around in the Red Sea along the coast of a country called Yemen, which is controlled almost the entire country by a group called the Houthis. People are getting an ongoing education and all this. And and why is that meaningful? It's meaningful because you can't get oil out of the richest oil producing region in the world unless you have access through those waterways straight up form into the into the Red Sea. So the ongoing conversation again including conversation we participated in has been about how to open the straight of formoose how to get that
1:31oil through. But if you think about it is that really the most important question that arises from the Iran war. So a waterway of course it is inherently important. On the other hand that's a problem that you can fix really quickly. If you have a blocked waterway if one country says you can't come through or we're going to blow up your tankers. Well, you could reach an accommodation with that country and you could fix that in about 10 minutes if all sides were willing to do it. What's harder to fix is the destruction of energy infrastructure, pipelines, wellheads, but more than anything else, refineries. So, a refinery is the plant is the factory where
2:14crude oil pumped out of the ground is turned into products you can actually use. And people may not have an appreciation for how different crude oil is from the refined products made from it. So from crude oil we get famously gasoline, jet fuel aka kerosene. We get all the way down to asphalt. We get diesel fuel and we also get a lot of the precursor elements for fertilizer. So none of those things come directly out of the ground. They are made from this commodity called crude oil.
2:53And they're made in things called refineries. So without refineries, you really can't run a society. You cannot run a country on crude oil. There's very little you can do with crude oil.
3:03Actually, you can't even put it in a diesel motor. And they'll I mean, they'll run on vegetable oil, but you can't run crude oil. You have to refine it. So, refineries are actually the most important link in the chain from drilling to turning on the lights in your house or getting on an airplane or eating food that's grown in the ground. And the problem with refineries is there aren't very many of them. So, there are a lot of oil and gas wells. In fact, no one really knows the number. There are about 70,000 new oil and gas wells drilled every year globally. The US alone has almost a million active oil and gas wells. But refineries which are absolutely necessary are a different question. So
3:46how many refineries are there globally on planet Earth right now? We know the answer because it's not a very big number. There are a total of 825 refineries on the planet for a population of 8.3 billion people. 825. So that's about one refinery for every 10 million people. one refinery for every New York City plus two million. So when you destroy a refinery, that's a big problem because a big refinery is incredibly expensive. $25 billion for example, very expensive to build and timeconuming. It can take more than 10 years to build a big refinery. So when you destroy one, you have an immediate and longlasting effect in a way that closing a straight does not achieve.
4:34It's a big deal to destroy a refinery. And so with that in mind, you have to kind of wonder what's going on with refineries. All of a sudden, they're getting hit. By our count, and this may be off, we may be undercounting it, but we think as of today, seven refineries in the Persian Gulf have been hit, destroyed, damaged, shut down for a while anyway, maybe some long term. So far in this war, not even a year old. Seven refineries. So, if you're wondering why diesel is 650 nationally and much more expensive than that in other parts of the world, it's because of that. It's hits on refineries and not just in the Persian Gulf, but in Russia, which makes about 7% of the world's
5:16diesel fuel, refineses it. And so, what is that? How exactly is that helping? Even if you're waging a war, would you go after the refined? Would that be your first order of business? Well, it has been the first order of business in both of those conflicts. So, we've got footage, no sound, but just so you can see it. This is from the very early days of the Iran war. This is in early March, and this is the product of an Israeli drone attack on a refinery in Iran. Amazing. So, the war breaks out. We're told that this war is an effort to stop the Iranian nuclear program because they're minutes away from nuking Miami. And that's what it's about. It's only about that nuclear
6:03program, which we're not going to accept. But if that's true, why do the Israelis, instead of hitting a nuclear facility or assassinating more nuclear physicists, they've done that in Iran, why do they hit a refinery? Hm. No one has answered that question because almost nobody's asked. Why would the Ukrainian government be hitting Russian refineries right now, which they are all over Russia, apparently 60% of Russia's refinery capacity has been hit, and we're not exactly sure how much is taken offline permanently or for the short term, but but 60% of their capacity has been hit by the Ukrainians. Why refineries? So, that's the first mystery.
6:47The second mystery is why is no one talking about this? Because the thing about hitting a refinery is that it releases massive epic amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. Now, for the last couple of years, people have not been talking about CO2 emissions. For the preceding 20 years, every child at every grade in American schools learned that CO2 is a poison and that it is increasing the temperature on the Earth and that Florida will soon be underwater and we are destroying the planet every time we emit CO2. All of a sudden, no one's talking about that. And there's nothing that emits CO2 in greater volume that we can think of than blowing up energy infrastructure.
7:32The Biden administration's destruction of the Nordstream pipeline, the natural gas pipeline from east to west, from Russia to Europe, was the largest man-made emission, we think, of CO2 in human history. And yet, no one said a word. So, for example, the Sierra Club, which is the best funded environmental group climate change organization in the United States, they've got like a hund00 million budget. They didn't say a word about the Biden administration blowing up Nordstream. Well, that's very, very curious if you think about it. They also haven't said a word about the bombs that the United States under Biden and Trump has sent to Israel. 2,000lb bombs. So,
8:14how much CO2 does a 2,000lb bomb emit? Well, we know because academics in London figured it out.
8:21They did the math. About three metric tons. How much is that? Well, it's a lot. In fact, it's more than three times what the average gas fired home water heater, we look this up, emits every year in a residential home. Now, why the comparison between a single 2,000lb bomb and Biden sent like 14,000 of them to Israel to eliminate Gaza to commit genocide in Gaza. Trump's sending 40,000 of this bomb and lots of other bombs, but we're just picking the 2,000lb bomb. Why compare it to home water here? Because the Sierra Club has issued endless press releases on home water heaters, gas fired home water heaters, the ones that work well, that are efficient, and has also paid a team
9:05of lawyers to make sure you can't have one. And not just gas fired water heaters, but gas ranges, wood stoves, basically any household appliance that you enjoy that is effective, dryers, washing machines. All of these are threats to the earth according to the [snorts] Sierra Club, our largest climate group because they emit CO2. But for some reason, the SER Club has, so far as we could tell, never mentioned the CO2 emissions from munitions, from dropping bombs or from blowing up refineries.
9:40They never mentioned that. Now, why is that? It makes you wonder if the environmental movement, the climate change movement, which really was kind of the dominant piety of our ruling class for two decades, we were very concerned, really concerned. If you ever had dinner with rich ladies in the past 20 years with a private equity wife, you get stuck next to one at dinner. She would turn to you doeyed at some point and say, "I'm very concerned about climate. We're destroying this planet with our emissions." And she would get a little misty. They really meant it. But all of a sudden, there's not a word about the biggest CO2 emissions in our lifetimes brought on by this war and the
10:25war in Ukraine. How strange could it be that they never really considered carbon dioxide a poison?
10:33Because of course it's not a poison. You breathe it, you exhale it all day long. It's not a poison.
10:40And they never really believed it was. Could it be that the real appeal of the climate movement was its effects on the way people live? So, if you think about it for a second, what were the climate people telling you you were going to have to do? What were you going to have to give up? How are you going to have to change your life in order to save the planet, which you uniquely had destroyed?
11:02Not China, the world's largest emitter of carbon. No, they never mentioned that. But you, as an American, as a European, as a Westerner, what are you going to have to give up? Well, for one thing, your mobility. You're going to have to live in a 15-minute city. You couldn't go anywhere. You'd be locked down effectively. But for the good of the planet, assuming you care about the planet, you have to give up meat. Of course, you may have to wear a sweater indoors in the winter time because it's proflegate to heat your home to 70. Obviously, that's not good for the environment.
11:35And you can't have working appliances. You can't have anything that actually gives you comfort at low expense because that's a sin. So instead, you're going to have to have, I don't know, a thermostat that can be controlled from Sierra Club HQ or from your local state capital or at least your city council. You're going to have to give up your autonomy and dial down your standard of living. That's what you're going to have to do in order to save the earth. It's fascinating when you think about those effects, which are, by the way, wildly unpopular. Nobody wants to wear a sweater indoors in February. No one wants to be cold and hungry. In fact, for all of human history,
12:19the two main goals on the mind of every person on the planet was let's not be cold or hungry. So, it's not like anyone wanted this. There's no ground swell of support for being cold and hungry, but you were going to have to do that. And of course, the people in charge, and they said this a lot, wanted that. They wanted that. But what's interesting is they're getting it anyway. So we're not talking about climate change because famously Larry Frink, the single most powerful businessman in the world, the head of Black Rockck, deeply embedded in the Ukraine war, profiting from the Ukraine war, of course, dropped his demands for climate change. In other words, the idea was
13:03Black Rock's not going to do business with you unless you sign on to the climate agenda. Well, he's dropped that. Why? Maybe because they're getting the same thing from these wars. Because when you destroy refineries, what do you do? Well, you hike the price of diesel and gasoline and jet fuel beyond what most people can pay. And the trajectory is in place now. 650 for a gallon of diesel, which is the energy source that gets all of our goods from manufacturer to warehouse to home. Yeah. So, you are going to when you destroy the world's refining capacity achieve the same effect you would if you were to enact plan 2030 or whatever they were calling it to avert climate
13:57change. exactly the same thing. And of course, if you adjust people's standard of living down enough, what do you get? Fewer people because either they starve to death, and we're facing that possibility very soon in countries around the world, particularly in Africa, and that will, needless to say, spark mass migration to the West. There are billion people in subsaharan Africa, and if they go hungry, you think they're going to sit and starve to death. No, they'll be in Los Angeles obviously and Frankfurt and Lisbon. So there's that they starve or they decide to have fewer kids. So one of the goals of the climate agenda was reducing global population and they just
14:43said it. I mean they just said it a lot all the time. Bill Gates, hate to blame everything on Bill Gates, that poor autistic elderly man. Bill Gates being unique among rulers of the universe because he's sort of damaged enough to say the dark stuff out loud because he clearly doesn't know the difference. Doesn't know what he's not supposed to say. Bill Gates, but all of him has said this. We need fewer people. Jeffrey Epstein famously, maybe not so famously. We're going to read it to you.
15:10Here's part of an exchange that Jeffrey Epstein had in the now famous Epstein docks. The ones that have been released are not being hidden by the Trump administration. and we're quoting this is from 2016 and he's uh in an exchange with Josh Bach a cognitive scientist and he says this about climate change maybe climate change is a good way of dealing with overpopulation the earth's forest fire potentially a good thing for the species too many people so many mass executions of the elderly and infirm make sense is the fundamental fact that everyone dies at some time now Jeffrey Epstein and if you read The Epstein fell, you know, this was basically illiterate,
15:51so it's not entirely clear what that meant, but he's applauding of mass death, of course.
16:01And he's emailing this to a normie, someone who probably, we haven't checked, but probably still has a job and is walking among us as a cognitive imminent cognitive scientist. And they're talking about fewer people. And by the way, at a certain level, way above the level where you and I live, the people who run countries think in terms of population. If you assess your life, you think in terms of your kids and your job and your wife and how are things going and am I making enough money to pay for everything. If you're running a country, if you're in charge of a civilization, if you're part of the class of people making big decisions about giant populations, you think in
16:36terms of what? Demographics. How many people live here? How many people do we need to live here?
16:42That's the very first question people who run countries ask themselves and their adviserss.
16:48Do we have the right number of people? So when you see big things happen in the world, if a completely pointless war breaks out in Eastern Europe and they're telling you, "Oh, it's about these three Oblasts in Eastern Ukraine no one's ever heard of, and we have to take a stand on principle because Churchill is at war with Hitler again." You can be absolutely dead freaking certain that's not the cause of the war and that's not the reason it's continued for almost 5 years. There's something else going on here. Something much more important than who controls three Oblasts, whatever an Oblast is. Cuz nobody cares actually. And you
17:26got to think just watching that maybe one of the reasons for that war is its effect. And its effect is to completely depopulate the largest country in Europe, which is Ukraine, which has fewer than half the people it had when the war started, and will never be Ukrainian again, ever. So, a child could have known that going into this. If this war continues, and if it's a First World War type standoff, meat grinder, the country with a smaller population is going to lose a sizable chunk of its working age population. You're going to have to change the population. You think people didn't know that going in? You think NATO and the Biden administration, you think the Trump administration
18:11doesn't know that? You think the leadership of the EU doesn't know that? You think the British prime minister doesn't know that? Of course, they know that. I mean, they're not geniuses, but they're not entirely stupid, and they think in big terms. That's the point. So when the Western proxy, the Ukrainian military, tries to take out 60% of all of Russia's diesel production, it's probably not just about Russia, is it? It's about hiking the price of diesel globally, which it immediately did, of course. And that has the effect of imposing the same restrictions they called for in the climate agenda, but which were broadly rejected by the population. It's like, yeah, I
18:57care about the earth, but I I can't control my own thermostat. I I can't have a wood stove. I don't have a functioning water heater. I don't think so. Like, I don't care that much. And the same with the Iran war. Iran can have a nuclear weapon. Okay. Yeah. That doesn't sound great. Iran nuclear weapon. They seem bad. Certainly don't speak English. They seem pretty foreign. Some weird religion. I don't Yeah, they should have a nuclear weapon. But at this point, how many Americans care if Iran has a nuclear weapon? I mean, probably don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon or anyone to have a nuclear weapon. But really, as a justification for $6.50 a gallon diesel, they
19:39don't care. So, what does that tell you? $6.50 50 Cent diesel isn't an ancillary byproduct of this war. It's the whole point of the war. The point of a system is what it does. And that's how you know what's true. Because I don't doesn't matter what they tell you the justification. We're doing this for this reason. No, watch what they do. Consider the result it produces. if they keep doing it and it keeps producing that same result, that result is the point of the exercise. You don't need to be a genius to understand that. So when people, dumb people like me, get up on camera and say, "Oh my gosh, if this continues, we're going to have famine in Africa and mass migration. All
20:29of subsaharan Africa is going to move to Europe and the United States and Canada."
20:34[laughter] You think that hasn't occurred to them? If this continues, the standard of living in the United States is going to plummet. People won't be able to afford essentials. They're going to have to stop eating meat. You think they never thought of that before? I mean, at at some point, all of us need to just like wake up and ground our understanding of reality in reality itself.
21:00Be like your dog. Your dog doesn't understand a word you say. And yet your dog has an amazing track record most likely of anticipating what you're going to do. How does that work? Because by not hearing what you say, the dog is restricted to watching what you do. And watching what people do is over time a far more reliable indicator of why they're doing it. Seek motive by understanding people's actions, not their words. Words mislead. Actions tell the truth. And these actions both in Ukraine and in Iran, both in Eastern Europe and the Persian Gulf, have the same effect, which is to lower the standard of living in the West. Not in China, in the West. China has gone crazy with
21:51refineries, and none of them have been blown up. China is producing energy liquefying coal as the Germans did during the Second World War because they don't have adequate oil reserves. So they have a massive gasification program with coal. They have big coal reserves. So they're taking the coal and turning it into liquid fuel, effectively diesel. So China is actually fine. We're not fine.
22:17Europe is shafted. It was obvious when this started that was going to happen. They did it anyway. Why did they do it? Don't listen like your dog to what they say. Assess what they do.
22:28They did it to destroy the standard of living in the United States and Europe to make way for the Chinese empire. Obviously, oh, that's crazy. Is it crazy? Look at what they're doing. By destroying refineries, they are ensuring that the West will be a lot poorer than it is now. And that's not quickly fixable. And they know that. And by they, who are we talking about? Well, whoever's making the decisions in the Ukraine war. And it's not Putin. Putin. The Russians are responding at this point. They're responding to increased aggression from Ukraine. Well, Ukraine's out of men. We don't know the numbers because they're still secret, but hundreds and hund likely over a million Ukrainians
23:16have been killed, and certainly way over a million have been killed or wounded. So, there is no Ukrainian fighting force left, but they're amping up the aggression. What is that? And who's making that decision? Well, watch the following clip and you will know. So, this is Donald Trump. This is just the other day as diesel prices start to climb in the United States. And Trump, whatever his many faults, which we've cataloged pretty extensively, understands commodities prices because they're not hard to understand. A commodity is really simple. It's not, you know, there's nothing complex about diesel fuel. You wouldn't want to have to refine it. The process is complex, but diesel as a
23:58commodity is easy to understand. It's the liquid that goes inside trucks to keep the global economy going. And without it, the global economy grinds to a halt. Literally grinds to a halt. So Trump gets that and you can check diesel prices on your phone and there's no question he does.
24:16So his fear from the very beginning of this whole conflict was commodities prices would go up and he's been very focused on the price of Brent crude. Brent crude is one of many markers of global oil prices. It's named after a now defunct oil field in the North Sea called the Brent oil field. But it's kind of the measure that people use. It's like the S&P of energy markets. You know, it's just like a brand name and people check it. And the Brent crude prices stayed, you know, it's it's gone over a 100 but it's not at 300. So fossil fuel prices or crude oil prices have stayed pretty I mean relative to what's happened they've stayed pretty reasonable but
24:54it's the refined products that people actually use jet fuel gasoline diesel and fertilizer those are the ones you got to start worrying about a lot and diesel in particular because unlike jet fuel and fertilizer they advertise the price of diesel at your local gas station so you know what it So Trump's watching this and it's freaking him out, of course, because he'll be judged and he knows no matter how many arches he builds or Kennedy centers he names after himself or whatever kind of sad insanity uh he attempts to make sure that he's remembered fondly if the diesel price gets to eight bucks. Like there's no chance, you know, you will always be remembered as a failure.
25:34Period. And he knows that because he's despite appearances not stupid on this level. So Trump clearly asked advisers like, "What what's going on with diesel?" And they say, "Well, it's really not the Middle East that's causing the spike. It's the Ukrainians smacking all these Russian diesel refineries." And it turns out Russia is one of the big producers, I think number two in the world for diesel. And so Trump gets so agitated that he says he calls for Zalinski to stop hitting diesel refining. Watch this. Mr. Zalinsky has to do one thing. He has to stop knocking out diesel fuel in Russia. Let him go after targets, but not diesel fuel because he's causing a shortage of diesel
26:17fuel. This isn't done by the Middle East. This is done by what's happening with Russia and Ukraine.
26:22So, we spoke to Mr. Zilinski about it. There are plenty of other targets. Don't hit diesel fuel because that's hurting that's hurting the world. We don't want him to hit diesel field. So, that's pretty clear. So, that's last Sunday. Um, Trump says that and that's actually a pretty good thing to say, pretty smart thing to say. I mean, he's identified one of the main causes of the problem. Why are diesel prices going up? It's because Ukrainians are hitting Russian refining. And he thinks understandably that he's in charge like there would be no Ukraine well that it wouldn't be a Ukrainian nation were it not for the support from the United States. And there
27:00certainly wouldn't be a Ukrainian war effort. It's not like the Ukrainian people want it. They were being held hostage by an unelected president who's eliminated civil liberties in the country, banned the biggest Christian denomination, put people in prison for criticizing him.
27:14He's a he's a lunatic and a tyrant. And why is he continuing? Well, the only reason he's continuing is because the Trump administration through its intel agencies is giving the Ukrainians targeting information. So when they hit a target in Russia, where did that information come from?
27:30From their intel agencies? No. No, from ours. So whatever they tell you, the Trump administration is allowing this war to continue. It's just a fact. Okay? And so Trump feels understandably that he can shut it down because this is only happening because he's allowing it to happen and aiding the Zalinsky government. Now, God knows why he's doing that. That's a much deeper question that someone should get to the bottom of. I think we know. In any case, it makes sense that Trump would be like, "Okay, enough. Shut it down. You're hurting me. You're hurting America." So that was last Sunday.
28:04Here's Trump on Friday, last Friday, just the other day, declaring mission accomplished. Watch this. We have the highest employment that we've ever had in history. All of these things are the lowest. We have the best poverty rate, the lowest poverty rate in the history of our country. And people are making more money today than they ever had. And we do have something that I'm very proud of. Iran will not have a nuclear weapon. Now, for that, people are going to have to pay some extra gas. I think most people, if they had a vote on lower gas prices or letting Iran have a nuclear weapon, I'd be willing to vote that it would be a a massive landslide. People don't want to have
28:46Iran have a nuclear weapon. And you know what? They won't. And the war is going to end soon.
28:51And when it ends, your gas prices are going to drop to a level that they were before, maybe even lower. Yeah. Ignore the stuff about Iran having a nuclear weapon. I mean, that's obviously the ram kind of sad ramblings of an old man. Nobody cares actually at this point. Israel having a nuclear weapon. Israel's threatened to use nuclear weapons against various countries uh a lot and there are no nuclear inspections in Israel. Inspectors have never been to Deona. So, if there's one country on the planet that's breaking international law on nuclear weapons, it's Israel. Of course, they're a much greater threat than Iran's non-existent nuclear program. And honestly,
29:34at this point, nobody really cares, and Trump must know that, which is why he keeps repeating it. But it's the first part of that statement that really feels almost poignant in retrospect. So, here's Trump just a couple days after saying, "I'm going to tell the Ukrainians to stop hitting Russian refineries. We're going to get diesel prices down." And he's like, "Yeah, the economy is great." Cuz he feels like he's got it under control. He's working the levers of the global economy. And if diesel prices go really high, well, he's the president of the United States. He can bring them down. It's not a magic trick. Just reign in your proxy and we're done. Truly, the
30:11black pill here, the radicalizing fact, the moment you're like, "Oh man, I don't know how we fix this." is when you realize it doesn't matter what Trump says cuz he's not in control. And of course, he's not in control. He didn't want to go into this war in the first place and he was pushed by Benjamin Netanyahu into doing it. So the president doesn't have the power to make independent decisions on certain topics, the big topics. He doesn't have sovereignty anymore than the US has sovereignty. It's all an illusion. But you would at least think that he could reign in Ukraine, which is not even a real country, the most corrupt country on Earth. We could at least tell the
30:47[ __ ] dictator in charge of that country what to do since we're the only reason he's still alive.
30:54But the radicalizing fact, and this is just a fact because we know what happened next, is that Trump can't tell him what to do. He just gives Trump the finger and does whatever he wants because he doesn't work for Trump. He doesn't work for the United States despite appearances. And by the way, Trump has apparently no control over his own intel agencies. You think he could haul John Rackcliffe in and the heads of the other 16 intel agencies and say, "If you give any targeting information to the Ukrainian military, I'm going to bring you up on charges. Like, you work for me. You weren't elected. I was. That's our system. You have no inherent legitimacy.
31:34You're not the president. I am. And I will have you brought up on felony charges, treason charges, if you're caught disobeying the commanderin-chief in wartime. It's like super simple and legal, by the way. But he didn't do that. And because he didn't do that, and because he's not actually in charge of anything of substance, which maybe why he's so focused on renaming the Kennedy Center, at least that's something he can do. Build some dumb arch at the end of Memorial Bridge. Okay. Build his ballroom. But like on questions of global global power aortionment, he doesn't get a say. And we know he doesn't get a say because this happens. Here's the BBC
32:14news report from like 2 days later. Watch. With a wave of hundreds of drones and some missiles, a message delivered to Moscow with fire. This oil refinery just 10 miles from the Kremlin is the capital's biggest, supplying fuel for the city. And Ukraine says for the Russian military, too.
32:36Ukrainian officials say the aim is to bring Vladimir Putin's war home. [snorts and laughter] So that in other words, a week after Trump publicly tells Zalinski not to bomb Russian refineries because it's spiking diesel prices here in the United States and globally. Zalinski bombs Russian refineries 10 miles from Moscow. And then the BBC, which describes us all in kind of pornographic, heavy breathing detail, one-handed as they used to say, uh, sending a message to Vladimir Putin, like the amount of war pornography, the amount of violence worship in the news coverage of these conflicts is repulsive. And the people engaging in it need psychiatric care
33:22immediately because it's disgusting. People are dying and you're masturbating over it, which they are. It's disgusting, beneath contempt. But in any case, they're telling us that the Ukrainians did this because they're going to tell the Russians that there's a cost to what you're doing. Well, of course, no sane person thinks that the Ukrainian military is going to push the Russian military into any kind of surrender or even forced negotiated settlement. That's like not going to happen. And we know that for a lot of reasons, but one is population.
33:57Russia's like a 100 million more people than Ukraine. This is nuts and it's always been nuts.
34:02It's never going to work. And so what you're going to get is the total destruction of the Ukrainian nation and energy prices that are so high that you get 15minute cities and people eating bugs. And so you have to ask yourself, is that the point? Was that always the point? I don't know. The purpose of a system is what it does. And this system is doing that. So yes, that's the point. There can be no other. And if you want to know how totally powerless the president of the United States is, and we don't mean to pick on Trump, who at least had the right instinct on diesel, like you're killing us here. Stop it. If you want to know how totally powerless he is, watch this CNN panel as
34:47they celebrate the Ukrainian government giving the finger to its patron, its supposed patron, the United States. Watch. Ukraine managed its largest drone attack that we've ever seen on Moscow. And it hit a major oil refinery after President Trump had demanded that Ukraine stop hitting Russian oil targets because of course it's adding to the price hikes particularly in in diesel fuel uh in the United States. What do you make of this escalation? What does it tell you about capabilities and where we are um in in this war? I have a one-word response for the Ukrainians, which is congratulations. Uh they need to increase these strikes and doing so is the only way they
35:32could put pressure on Vladimir Putin. Okay, so save that tape because that tape tells you everything. Now, who is that guy talking? Well, that is a retired four-star American admiral.
35:46That was the head of NATO under Barack Obama. So, who is he speaking for exactly? What else does he do? Who is that man? Well, that man is a partner at the Carile Group. That man was the former head of the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. That man is the current chairman of the board of the Rockefeller Foundation. That man is, in other words, the physical embodiment of the actual rulers of the United States and of the world. And they're not political figures. They're not people who are elected by anybody because that would be democracy and we don't have that. The actual decisions are being made by people with commercial interests in whatever conflict is ongoing. And
36:32with a much bigger picture of how this is all going to wind up in the end. The point of this exercise is to dethrone the United States as the ruler of the world, to diminish the United States, to impoverish the United States and Europe, which is kind of an innocent bystander here, but will be completely destroyed by this, and to make way for the new era in which we will not be in charge, and of course, likely China will be. So these are the people who are making the decisions and you know that because that guy, the former head of NATO, the four-star admiral, the chairman of the board of the Rockefeller Foundation, the Carile partner is taking Ukraine
37:20side, Zalinsk's side over the elected American president. So, Zilinsky gives the finger to the president of the United States and the former head of NATO, the four-star admiral, the guy who's like dedicated his life to saving helping defending the United States. That guy's like, "No, no, no. I'm with Silinski." And he knows because he ran NATO that there's literally no chance.
37:44There's no chance that this tactic or strategy will work. You could blow up every refinery in Russia. You could kill Putin. There's no chance that Russia is going to surrender to Ukraine or anyone else. So the best you can do is destroy Ukraine and the nations that support Ukraine which include the rest of the West. And that ladies and gentlemen is the object of the exercise.
38:18It feels like a lot of people know this. Um, it feels like a lot of people who are much smarter than I am, for example, which would be a lot of people, have thought this through from the very beginning and they know that there's no liberation here. They can call Zilinski Churchill all they want, but in the end, no one's going to be liberated. No one's getting sovereignty and freedom. In fact, the direct effect of all of this is death for military age men and women in the West. The legacy population in the West, not the people who just moved here from some foreign country. They're not signing up, of course. But the people whose ancestors are here 100 years ago,
39:02they're going to die. And the ones who survive will be much less free than they were when this all started. Now, how do we know that? That sounds dark. It sounds like some Alex Jones rant. New world order, there's a plan. Well, we've gotten to the point where they just like say it on cable television. And so, the only question is, are you listening? This doesn't require any interpretation. You don't need a Rosetta Stone to know what they're saying. You're not hanging on every inflection or nuance here. They're just saying it. So, here's a guy called Sir Jacob Reesemog. Again, we should warn you before this begins that the affect in this guy's voice, which
39:41we think it's fairly fake, is so overwhelming that you think you're watching a cartoon, but this is apparently real. This guy is a conservative political figure in the UK. And he's on television on the conservative station in the UK, which is basically like our own conservative station, not conservative at all, violence worshipping tool of whatever is coming next, whatever this new arrangement is going to be. that station and this guy are spear carriers for that project.
40:11Obviously, there's nothing conservative about it. They're not trying to conserve what we have.
40:15They're trying to usher in the new new thing. And the one thing we know about the new new thing, whatever it is, you're not going to benefit from it. And we know that cuz they're just telling you.
40:24So, here's Sir Rupert Jacob Reesemog or whatever we're calling him today. Watch. We may face a war.
40:31And if we face a war, we will need people who will join the armed services and who will go out and do their duty. We may even face circumstances where people have to die to save their country as they did in the first and second world wars and in many other wars before and since. That is something that makes a country survive. If people are not willing to do their duty, then the country will be taken over by another country ultimately one way or another. This is part of the reason that ancient Rome fell. Remember this is a Brit. So you think he would know that the last time Britain was invaded was almost exactly a thousand years ago. It was in fact in 1066 by Scandinavians posing as
41:17French coming over from Normandy and they invaded the country and they completely changed it and they do what invading armies do which they kind of enslaved the population and then over time people sort of forgot and they became the aristocracy and you know the story if you're familiar at all with European history but the point is it was a thousand years ago that Britain was last invaded.
41:34So the last two wars, the big wars that Britain participated in, the first and second world war were not in response to an invasion of Britain. No one was trying to invade Britain. Those were both wars of choice. And what was their effect? Well, their effect was to completely destroy the country completely. In 1914, when the first world war began, when Britain joined the first world war, Britain ruled the world. And by 1945 when the second war ended, Britain was a husk with rationing for the next 10 years. And the prime minister who led Britain through that war, the muchloved in the United States, Winston Churchill, was rejected by voters as a failure. They despised
42:14him because they knew what our historians will not admit, which is he destroyed the empire and destroyed their country and has never recovered. So the wars that that buffoon cites as necessary were in fact the opposite of necessary. If you think war should be waged in defense of a nation for the benefit of the people who live there. And throughout history, people have assumed that's the only reason you have a war to help the people who live in your country because you're acting on their behalf and you're asking them, as the buffoon reminded us, to die for this effort.
42:45So if it doesn't help them, that's a lot to ask of anybody. go die for something that helps me, something for which I'm not personally willing to die, and my children are not willing to die, but we would like you to go die for this thing that will not help your surviving relatives at all. In fact, we'll wreck our country. And that's exactly what Britain did in those two wars. And there's kind of no counterargument. I mean, they'll get huffy and call you names and you're you're a hater if you say that, but what about that is not true. It is true. It is true and it's disgraceful and the people who defend it are disgraceful. So actually if you point out something that is true
43:23and you take a position against killing people pointlessly, you are not the criminal. And of course they try to invert that immediately. Well, you're the bad person. You have hate. You're hate.
43:34No, I'm against people dying needlessly. I'm against murdering the innocent. I'm not the bad person here. You are. And so it's very important to keep your kind of wits about you and not succumb to moral vertigo. And moral vertigo, of course, they're they're, you know, their only really effective weapon. You're like, wait, you're committing genocide. You're a hater. Shut up. And you get censored. But the people committing genocide, I don't know, get to speak at the UN today. So that's not kind of the way it works. No, the way it works is if you call for the deaths of innocents, you're the bad guy. I'm not the bad guy for calling you out for that. So, just remember
44:13that if you're watching at home, you are not the bad guy if you oppose sending your nation's young people to pointless death. You are the good guy and you are facing off against the bad guys and you should put them on their back foot. There's no way that they should be allowed to continue to call for the pointless deaths of our people and hold the moral high ground. That's outrageous.
44:39What they're calling for is criminal and vile and disgusting and totally indefensible and they should be ashamed. You should not be ashamed for opposing it. In any case, they're trying to shame the population of the UK, the legacy population of the UK, people who watch GB News, into dying for a war that has nothing to do with Britain. And of course, Britain is not even controlled by British people. It has no sovereignty. They're American troops on their soil. The whole thing's a joke.
45:13But what's the real agenda? Even Jacob Reesemog or whatever his name is probably isn't eager to have a totally pointless war. There's a point to it. There's a reason they want to do this. So, we want to play you a clip and it's part of a colloquy between him and you would think his counterpart. So the guy you just saw, Reesemog, is what what is known in the UK as a conservative. So he's on one side. Here's a guy called Paul Richards who's on the completely opposite side. They have nothing in common. They agree on nothing. They're polar opposites, locked in this battle of ideas for control of a great democratic nation. Oh, but that's not true. Because as in the
45:54United States, both sides are aligned against the population on the questions that really matter.
45:59And the question that matters above all because it touches on every other question is the question of who gets killed. War that matters. So don't let them distract you with all this other crap. What matters is who lives in your country and who gets killed. Okay, let's just start with the things that actually matter and that matters. And so on those questions, who lives in your country and who gets killed in the UK as in the US, both sides are in total agreement against the population which wants none of this. They don't want to have a completely different country every generation because of immigration. And they don't want to go fight wars for other
46:36nations or commercial interests or whatever. They don't want to die for no reason. They will die in defense of their nation. They don't want to die for any other reason. And that's not bad.
46:44You're not an anti-semite for thinking that and up yours for suggesting otherwise. Anyway, here's this guy, Paul Richards, the liberal, if this were American television, facing off against the conservative. Watch him just sort of say out loud what the point of all of this is.
47:02This amazing clip. Watch. I [clears throat] think the British would rise to greyness if they had to. We would have to lock a few people up, by the way. Some of the pro-Russian voices, people are saying there isn't a threat. Don't fight for your country. Don't go to war for Burnham. We'd have to lock them up. Well, we we suspended habius corpus during the Napoleonic wars. Well, and under the defense of the realm as well. So, you know, we would have to go to those measures and we would have to look at things like conscription as well. [laughter] It's quite a picture. Okay. The very first thing we're going to do, you can tell these are like highly informed
47:33military tacticians be because they don't start with like, okay, the front in this war is here.
47:39You know, we need to cross the deniper river to do that. No, no. The first thing we need to do is imprison anyone who disagrees with us. And then we need to send everyone else's kids to go die cuz those those guys are not obviously participating in a physical sense in this war. They're not going to go fight. You think Paul Richards is going to go fight it? No. The first thing we need to do, the very first thing we need to do is lock up people who are opposed to this war. And then Jacob Reesemogger or whatever his name is who's posing as like an expert in English history clearly knows nothing about it is like yeah we did that during the polonic wars. Uh no buddy you did that during
48:16World War II when the very first thing the British government did was imprison the opposition party called them Nazis which they weren't. Run by one of the great war heroes of the First World War Oswald Mosley. Oh he was a Nazi. No he wasn't. If he was a Nazi, he'd be living in Britain in Germany. He didn't want the war. And he has been slandered ever since. It's like scary even to defend him. I'm not even defending the guy. I'm just saying whatever his views in a free society, you cannot imprison people for their opinions. And when you do, how are you better than the people you're fighting? So, they just did this in their last big war. And not only do they imprison
49:03the opposition party, they sent their wives to prison, too. Why? What do the wives do? Oh, they were married to the guys they didn't like. That's called blood guilt. That's kind of not what we do in Western civilization. In fact, that's the opposite of Western civilization. In the West, we judge people on the basis of what they do. We punish the guilty. We spare the innocent. We make every effort to spare the innocent. But they stopped doing that in Britain in 1940 and just imprisoned the wives, including pregnant women. People died in prison and they were there for the whole war under Churchill, Mr. Freedom Fighter Guy. So yet you just did this in your last big
49:39war. And you can't wait to do it again. You can't wait to slander anybody who opposes this war as pro-Russia just as you slandered anyone against the last big war as pro-Nazi. You're pro-Nazi. No, just against the war. How's that? I don't I don't think it's I don't think it's going to help us.
49:59That's pro-Nazi, pro-Russia. But that's their that's their first plan of action is to put in prison people who disagree with them. Oh, okay. So, going back to our plan for understanding reality. That's not a byproduct of the plan. That is the point of the plan. The point of the war is to change not Iran or Russia or whatever they tell. No, it's to change us. It's to change our lives. It's to change the way power is aortioned in our society. To take it from the population, this arrangement we had called democracy. And in democracy, of course, you wouldn't go to war if the population overwhelmingly opposed it because how would that be justified? Where would the
50:45authority for that come from? But we do. It's not even a question. People don't want it. Who cares whether you want it or not? What do you have to do with this? Shut up. But now clearly the plan is to take it to the next stage where it's like, "Well, we're just going to send you off to go die." And by the way, anyone who tells you that conscription in the United States is totally off the table is lying cuz it's not off the table at all. Hard to believe it could happen. Honestly, it's hard to believe it could happen. And maybe it won't happen. But they've already put in place the the mechanics to make it happen. But in Britain, they're just like far gone. Britain is a failed
51:25society run by people with no authority, no credibility, and no legitimacy. And they're facing in effect a revolt of their own population, which is entirely justified. And their answer to it is not to improve the lives of the people they supposedly represent. The answer to it is to start a war that could end with nuclear annihilation because they just don't care because they're nihilists. and use that war to end all civil liberties in their country. And if you think that couldn't happen here, if you think that's not po part of what you're seeing now as they blow up refineries around the world, you should think more deeply about it. Well, here's a truth,
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53:21all the details. And so while the rest of us are doing whatever we do during the day, he's learning more about the facts, the actual facts as they unfold, which is not easy by the way. If you're trying to track these wars on a factual basis, how many people have died, what's been blown up, you know, how many planes in the air at any given time, it's not that easy to do it because there's just a haze of lying around everything. But he has pierced that haze and uh consistently. And so we're really glad to have him join us again. Brandon, thanks a lot for doing this. Thank you as always for having me. It's always an honor to be with you. So it it feels to me like the attacks
53:58um in Eastern Europe and the Gulf on refineries, on energy infrastructure is a huge and undersold part of the story. How how bad have these attacks been? How widespread? Can you give us a picture of what you've seen? Well, anybody who's ever played Jenga, um you're sort of pulling the pieces out one at a time and watching the uh you know, the tower kind of lean and list and eventually you pull the one out and then the whole thing comes down. The refineries are sort of the the most important block here. And I thought that your monologue laid it out brilliantly. In fact, it sort of already hit a lot of the points I had made. Uh but but the point here is is that
54:44um we can reopen the straight of Hormuz and the Straight of Babel Mandeb eventually. Um we can take control of the Panama Canal zone. We can uh you know reassert ourselves around Greenland near the uh Greenland uh Iceland UK gap. We can do all of that and that's fair fairly straightforward.
55:06Um the refineries are not coming back once they're blown up and um it's going to take years. Now in the United States we have our own problems. Um and I'm kind of want to start there because you already hit on Russia. The United States though has a very significant um set of issues with the refineries. First of all, we haven't built new refineries since the late 1970s. And one of the reasons we haven't built a new refinery is because of what you mentioned, which was sort of the eocria, you know, the the panic over global warming and climate change. So, we created regulations uh and we created disincentives for investors to put money in these um these very
55:53important uh refineries. And so what we have is basically what we've had for about 40 plus year.
55:59Well, really since uh the Ayatollas took over in uh Iran. So pretty much that same time frame that we've been at war with Iran, we've had the same refineries. Uh those refineries were designed to process the heavy sour crude. Um we hear very often from our our leaders uh so-called they love to say we're s you know standing on an ocean of of oil in North America and we are we have a lot of uh in many cases untapped light sweet crude. Our refineries though don't process light sweet crude.
56:39So we drill baby drill and then we export that stuff to the rest of the world to refineries and people and countries that can refine that. We import a lot of our stuff and heavy sour crude.
56:56So from places like Mexico and wouldn't you know it Canada who we seem to have um really aggravated lately. Um, so we we bring in a lot of stuff that we don't drill and we use our refineries uh to refine that. Um, somebody explained to me I was I I co-host Mario Novel's show and I we had an oil expert and he said it's sort of like we have caviar for oil and we sell that on the market and then we bring in the quarter pounder with cheese uh from overseas and we have to process and use that here. So that's one of the biggest problems that we have. Um there's another issue which is um we pretty much max out our refining capacity and we do that because we're a capitalist country
57:45and we like to have the short-term profit. You know, you you max it out, you take the money, you make off that and you you use that for profit. You mentioned China earlier. Uh China, if you'll forgive me again, my glasses. Um, China has basically they are the world's largest most advanced refinering capacity and they don't even use roughly um the percentage I can't find now but they don't use a I'm sorry yes 30% of their ch of their refining is in the teapot uh refining refining uh capability in Shandong province that capability is heavily sanctioned because that those teapot refineries use and process a lot of oil from Russia or from
58:38sanctioned countries that we don't like to do business with. But one of the things that China's done is on top of th those capabilities which are numerous the Chinese have actually built out really new advanced sophisticated uh systems like the Ulong prochemical complex uh which deals a lot they've really developed some interesting refining capabilities new techniques for gasoline and diesel even for plastics. Um but the key thing here is the Chinese have spare refining capacity and that is because they want to have a buffer because they anticipated many years ago that there would be a national security crisis in which you could either have an oil shortage globally or you
59:27could have sanctions being used and there would be an you know a lack of supply coming in. So the Chinese have excess not only uh storage with their largest strategic petroleum reserve which was numbered at 1.8 1.6 billion barrels before the war began. They've got gotten into a little bit of that, but basically they have a lot of reserve, but then they also have reserve capacity. And you rightly noted um knocking out these Russian refineries. I think the percentage was 45% of Russia's refining capacity has been taken offline as of this month. So the Russians are not almost half of Russia's refining capacity is now offline. the United States is already at capacity. We talk
60:18a lot about, you know, the the the um the supply issue, but we're not talking about the refining issue. And China has a lot of excess refining capacity. So, we're creating a situation either purposely or just because stupidity. Um the fact is we're creating a situation, Tucker, where China's going to have a lot of cards. We've seen this play out and I'll shut up after this, but we've seen this play out um with rare earth minerals, right? We always hear, "Oh, China has rare earth mineral dominance." Well, that's not exactly accurate. What they have is rare earth mineral processing dominance. It's the processing that makes the stuff work. They've got it. They've
61:03got about 90% of processing dominance. The whole world's supply chain relies on it. The Chinese have replicated that strategy for everything. In fact, Chinese doctrine, they talk frequently about controlling not just choke points in terms of, you know, straits, maritime straits and whatnot, but they really focus on controlling the geoeconomic hubs of the 21st century. So things like rare earth mineral processing or the processing and refinement of crude oil, which the world needs. and they've got a lot of excess capacity. Tucker, I could foresee if we continue blowing up or allowing the destruction of all these refineries around the world and we
61:50can't really build new ones that process the stuff we need here because of environmentalism or whatever. I could foresee that the Chinese say, "Hey, we've got a lot of excess capacity.
62:02you can deal with us and you could have an entire new market arising for heavy or or for crude oil refiner refinement occurring over time in China which then just gives Beijing even more leverage and this whole war notably the Iran war but also the Ukraine war what has it done it has actually knocked down not only the United States which is the key rival for China it's also actually kind of knocked down their other rival, Russia, because Russia's having to fixate on Europe and fixate all their resources on opposing NATO. And in turn, Russia's had to pivot and they're not natural allies with China. But now they're bosom buddies. The shotgun wedding has now become
62:50a true love story between Xi and Putin. And that is all because of these western so-called elites uh like Larry Frink, like Emerald James Stvitus. I had a very interesting conversation with him once in 2012 about drugs in Afghanistan and it was very and very insightful into the psyche. Anyway, um well c can you pause right there because he is Admiral Steus is I I think one of the key players in all this again he's chairman Russia Gate of the Rockefeller Foundation. He is was the former dean of the Fletcher School. He I mean talk about deep state. He is a Carile partner and he was the head of NATO. So like if there's someone who should be more famous than he is and of course he was
63:35commander of US forces in Afghanistan. Tell us about your conversation. Well, it was offline and and it was when he was commander and I was at an event in Chicago and it was the NATO conference in Chicago and he gave a you know a briefing off off thereord briefing but but it was all about the poppy the issue of drugs in Afghanistan and it's just that you know we created that problem I know as always and um there seemed to be kind of we were okay with that it was you know I don't know it just was a very interesting It was. Yeah, it was. And that's who you're dealing with. And And that's not to, you know, I don't want to bash the guy because I don't know him because, you know,
64:17he wore the uniform. I have a lot of respect for that. Um, but the point here is is that he, I believe, is part of a cadre, dare I say, cabal, of people, government and private sector types, who have a certain world view. And, um, I don't know if they would describe it as harming America.
64:38They probably have convinced themselves it's for the greater good or whatever, but their actions are clearly and again I say, you know, Stita sort of ran in the same circles as the Russia gate crew did. Um, and what's really astounding, Tucker, as since we're on a sidebar here, is how the president has empowered the same cabal that tried to take him out in 2016.
65:06he is empowered and every chance these guys and gals get to undermine him still they take it as that CNN clip uh highlighted. But my my point here is is that there there is clearly a policy in place that is um negating our energy dominance that is restricting our ability to process.
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66:49All of it from from the day the Biden administration had the vice president at the time, Kla Harris, announced at the Munich Security Conference that we're going to push Ukraine into NATO. And that was the moment the war was assured like it was going to happen at that point. They pushed this war. They wanted this war. From that from that moment, I thought everything that has happened since has diminished the United States and strengthened China. So you can't tell and with almost without almost that exception, right? So, so it's like it's not a conspiracy theory to note that and to say once again that the point of a system is what it does, right? It's obvious to
67:29me that knowingly or not they're taking the West out of competition with China and making way for this new age and this new empire. And it is a new age because I you know and and to be fair China it's just interesting because I talk a lot with people in China you know there's there's a lot of investors I know and there's a lot of people who are very pro they're American very pro- capitalist very pro open you know open markets and whatnot and they are always telling me you know the hawks have got China wrong and the one thing I could foresee is that the Chinese leader ers, they don't really like America. They don't trust the United States, you know, the military side,
68:13the national security side, understandably. Um, and I don't think we should trust their military side, but the the Chinese leadership, it doesn't sound like their play is to actively seek to take over the American Empire. It's more headache than it's worth, but they absolutely want to undermine our ability to threaten them in their backyard. And so they're taking advantage of all of these self-inflicted disasters that we're creating. Even things like refineries, we don't we don't we haven't built a new refinery in 40 years. The Chinese are looking at us going, "You're stupid.
68:50We're going to do what we need to do and we'll just outpace you that way." So the whole world depends on us and we'll reorient trade flows that way and you can never be a threat to us again.
69:01Yeah. And I mean there are a lot of participants in this. I mean, if the Sierra Club says not a word about the carbon emissions from our bombing campaigns, it tells you they don't really care about carbon emissions. There's another agenda here, obviously. Uh, and well, and also the tech bros. I mean, look, I I I I was in high school when I was a senior, I believe, when um the the movie uh the the Gore movie, the um Inconvenient Whatever, Inconvenient Truth. Yeah. My I remember it was like 20 years ago, but I remember they made us my they made us watch the movie as a school as as seniors. They wanted us to watch it. And so I did and I remember thinking this is scary. And
69:41of course none of it ever happened. All of the fear-mongering, but you know what it did do? It was pushed first of all by a lot of fundraisers from Wall Street and Silicon Valley. And it was all about getting people to be so afraid of the weather that they would then invest or purchase or or promote these technologies that um uh were all the Broligarchs technologies. And now the Brolyarchs have a new set of technologies, a new set of clean energy, which is they have AI and therefore they need it. They need all the power they can get. So you don't hear that much anymore about fossil fuels causing pollution. You now have things like nuclear power being promoted. Finally,
70:32you now have things like that because we're now moving away from the fear of whatever to where we are now, right? But both have the same effect which is the loss of sovereignty and freedom and choice for the average person and greater control uh for the group that runs the country which is not not the population obviously. Um no so in the in the specific case of the Ukraine war and that kind of amazing week last week where Trump comes out and says you got to stop bombing Russian diesel refineries. Two days later he's like we won. You know the economy is going to get better. The war's almost over. And then 3 days after that, the Ukrainians just do it anyway.
71:15Who's making that decision? Um, well, I think it's the CIA. I think I think I think that it's very interesting to me that Mr. Trump doesn't pick up the phone and call John Ratcliffe and be like, "WTF? What's going on?" Because I'm the president and I specifically publicly said, "Don't do X."
71:37And then your boy in Kev did X. Why? Why did he think he could do that? Because we know that this Ukraine war is being run out of Langley partly at least. It's being run out of CIA. And so I don't know if and and again this goes back to things like Russia gate, right? Like CIA is clearly doing whatever the hell it wants. You know, the CIA has its own policy. They don't give a durn about who the elected American president is. They're going to do what they're going to do all the time.
72:09Period. So CIA policy is they want to go to war with Russia. As as I told you before, I was at a a location consulting for the Air Force in the West Coast and I had a twostar general tell me, "Brandon, you don't understand. We're breaking the Russian army in the field for free." That's the mentality of those types of people. And so they're going to push this. The president could literally say, "Don't bomb these refineries." And then their guy on the ground is going to do it because the president is not running the agency. The agency is running the administration. Clearly, he doesn't seem to be making any major decisions. He doesn't seem to have the capacity to make them, the power
72:54to make them. And if you look at his social media posts, which are becoming increasingly deranged, literally deranged, what you see, if you come down and assess it cooly, is frustration. A guy who can't actually do anything and he's enraged by that. And so then he's posturing, I'm going to destroy their civilization. Well, no, because you're you're not it's not up to you, actually.
73:20That's a very interesting take on on that. That's interesting. Well, I mean there he's not that crazy. He has not been that I mean I've spent a lot of time with him. He's he doesn't talk he's never talked like that in private or in public. I am surprised that he talks like this because I remember the first term and and he I remember he would get allergic to the thought you know of of of a nuclear war or and it's like now he you know I I have been told by certain people uh that the chairman of joint chiefs of staff General Kaine basically it's like dealing with a toddler he has to kind of jingle the keys in front of the the the toddler to keep him from bringing up the n-word
74:01nuclear war that in the last several meetings, Trump is fixated on the, you know, nuclear war.
74:07Why can't we use this bomb? What's the big deal? What? That's crazy town to me. You should be removed from office immediately for talking that way. You can't threaten offensive nuclear war.
74:16You risk the life of every person on the planet. Like, you're not allowed to do that. And he should be removed immediately for talking. Well, this is a question for certain people in the cabinet.
74:29Why have they not had they're cowards? [laughter] That's why they're cuz they're cowards. Look, I I I don't I like craziness. I grew up around it. I'm not bothered by craziness at all. I tend to be a little crazy. I I have a very wide strike zone on crazy. But if you threaten nuclear war, offensive nuclear war against a country doesn't have nuclear weapons, but against anybody, you are a criminal and you are putting the life of every living thing at risk. And you're not allowed to do that. And so you're done. We're you're done. And I that's just the clearest possible thing. And he they could take him out and they should immediately take him out the second he talks like that. And they won't
75:08because they're cowards. It's just that simple. Like what's the other explanation? No, I mean they're cowards, but they're they're also they're all part of the grift machine, right? They're all getting, you know, so in a way they're all sort of a problem. Um and Congress won't investigate. Um, and unfortunately, it's probably going to take the Democrats taking power, and they have their own problems, uh, to to, uh, as you know, uh, to really get to the bottom of of what's going on.
75:35Because the bottom line here is, um, the president has unleashed the dogs of war. The dogs of war are now running wild, and nobody can reign them back in. And now we we live in the nuclear age. So that means the dogs of war, you know, we we could be seeing this happen, a nuclear bomb strike, um, you know, either in either front of these wars, uh, if they're willing to go after the refineries, if they're willing to go after the stuff that builds civil society in modern countries, Tucker, um, because of, you know, I I don't even know why. I mean, the Ukraine war, I can't even remember anymore what we're fighting over. The same thing with the Iran war, nuclear weapons. You know,
76:22the president said a year ago that we blew up the nuclear weapons. So, what are we still fighting for? So, the point is, if they're willing to do that, you know, target these these facilities, target the infrastructure, it's only a matter of time before the powers that be, the real powers that be say, "We're going to we're going to take this to the next level because we have to quote win." And uh, you know, I don't know what victory looks like, but it's not going to be pretty. I can tell you that much. Look at the Russians. Um, you know, the Russians are advancing on the eastern front. They they are they are decisively moving. It is it is slowgoing, but there is clear forward
76:59momentum for the Russian armed forces. And I realize I'm going to get a lot of hate mail for this. Um, they have taken two of the four big fortress cities in that fortress belt in Ukraine.
77:10They are probably going to take the third one soon. They're doing a classic encirclement campaign. You know, this is the Russian style of war. They encircle, they seal, they use heavy artillery, and they crush until there's nothing left. And then they walk over and do it again.
77:26This is this is how they fight. This is the war of attrition. They are going to take those two remaining fortress cities, Tucker. But I am, you know, concerned that you will see as that Russian force is advancing closer and closer to the final fortress city, I could foresee a European NATO country allowing their territory to be used to launch attacks on behalf of Ukraine against the inv the the the invading or or advancing, however you want to describe it, Russian army. And I had the chance recently to talk to a Russian uh officer on the Mario Knoff show and I asked this guy said, "What happens if the forces in the front line start falling under attack from na from you
78:13know these these NATO countries?" And his response to me was, "The Russian battlefield commanders have been given authorization to protect their forces and they will protect their forces, which means if they are fired upon and it is serious enough from these NATO European countries, they will retaliate in kind at the the place of origin, which means suddenly now you have an advancing Russian army in Eastern Ukraine potentially firing into, you know, these European countries, which, you know, the Europeans ans are dying. I've never seen a group of people want to be bombed so badly.
78:48The Europeans want to be bombed so they can then declare Article 5 and they think get America to come back to their rescue and then they have their their very big war. And that's I my fear of where that's going. So it's 3:00 in the afternoon, you've had your coffee, but you're still staring blankly at your screen, rereading the same line, waiting for energy because you're just innovated.
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81:20That's tuckerlsonbooks.com. And then the west destroys itself, which is the whole point. And we're already there. This is a murder suicide, right? Obviously. And um I murder suicide. I just want to say it's happening against the will of the population. Nobody wants this and you would think in purportedly democratic countries that would matter. It doesn't. One mystery of this whole thing is why is so aggressively backing Ukraine. Putin has gone out of his way for 25 years to get along with Israel. Never been anti-Israel. Um he's had good relations with various governments in Israel, including the Netanyahu government. And yet the Israeli government is very much
81:58pushing this war. Why? Um I think that there's well I think there's a lot of quiet money flow going on. Um I did a report many moons ago at the National Interest when I worked there. Um and I found that there was um these oligarchs in Ukraine that were they were also Jewish and they were basically becoming dual citizens and they were essentially taking um the money the foreign aid that the country was receiving. They were gaining access to it and then they were stealing it and then they were fleeing the country before the anti-corruption police could get them because they had they had knowledge for knowledge these raids were going to happen. And where did a lot of them
82:41end up? They ended up in the over the years in Israel. And of course, since the I think it's the right of return, the the Israelis will not send those people back to be prosecuted even though they are likely guilty of corruption because now they're part of their Israeli citizens and Israel wants the tax revenue. They tax the the the money that was stolen. They get a lot of money.
83:06It's it's uh it's a tax scheme. So, you have a lot of a lot of wealth flowing in from wealthy Ukrainians who are also Jewish and they're fleeing the the war. They're fleeing the corruption police and they're ending up in Israel with our money and they're living large. I mean, as large as you can live in a in a you know, the war zone there now, but they're living there and they're protected by the Israelis partly because of Israeli tax policy. The Israelis want that tax revenue constantly coming in. Then you have also um uh I think there's a bit of a historical grievance um Russia you know there's pograms against the Jews and all throughout the Zar's reign and I
83:50think that that has always sort of Russia has been viewed by certain hardliners in Israel as sort of a a threat and it's certainly something to kind of get revenge upon. Um, and I think that uh you've seen this looking at the support of Ukraine sort of in that historical cultural uh reference um of hey we want to avenge ourselves upon this this Russian state for what they did to our our grandparents and great-grandparents. And the pograms were terrible. Um but I think that's part of it. Then you want and that that gets us to the pale of settlement which was the the relocation of Jews from Crimea and some of these parts of Ukraine. Incidentally, there are certain people
84:35like Victoria Nuland and and the Kagan family who apparently they had relatives and I think Tony Blinken had relatives that were affected by this over the over the centuries. But also Tucker, there's the um issue of Russia's support of Iran. And this is another thing that's very important to understand because it is geopolitics. I believe the Israelis genuinely believe and if I were living in Israel, I wouldn't want a strong Iran either, but I'm not an Israeli. I'm not and I'm an American. So, but the Israelis are looking over their shoulder saying, "I don't want a strong Iran." And who's one of the number one or number two supporters of Iran? It's the Russians.
85:16And so they view, I think the Israelis view covert support for Ukraine. And I realize they didn't always help with with air defenses because that's always something I hear. Well, yes, of course, because the Israelis are going to protect their interests first. But at the end of the day, if Israel can can weaken Russia via Ukraine, I think the logic in Tel Aviv is that's less capabilities the Russians can give or or less aid the Russians can give the Iranians as we fight the Iranians. And I think that's all sort of what's going on there. It makes sense actually to you. It doesn't. There's no anti-semitism involved in any of you know [laughter] this,
86:01right? Well, there usually isn't. Right. You I used to say facts don't care about your feelings.
86:07That that used to be the rule, but it's no longer uh valid. You know, you know, the people who say that are often the most emotional and [laughter] irrational. I've noticed they don't mean it. Um, last last question. How do you since I I know that you're so focused on the war in the Persian Gulf um every day and you're immersed in the details, how do you think it likely ends and when? I still think it's probably going to end in a nuclear explosion. Um that's, you know, they call me Blackpill Brandon for a reason though, Tucker. So, you know, not to be not to make light of this, but I I am very concerned that we are edging toward, you know, Trump doesn't seem to have his
86:54hand on the wheel, as you rightly note. He's not in control. And I don't know if that's all because of Israel. You know, you he is the president of the United States. He he could I mean, look, Obama said no to Israel uh in a big way. Um, so the president really could tell them to f off on some of this stuff, but he doesn't. Um, and so he is responsible for this and he's in quite a sticky wicket. And the president's instinct on this is to double down, which is odd because, you know, originally his instinct was, it's not my fault. I didn't do it. I'm out of here. It's too expensive to maintain it. That was first term Trump. Second term, Trump is I'm going to keep doubling down
87:41because I'm the big man. Well, um the only next thing he could potentially do would be to drop a B6113 ground penetrating nuclear device on Pickaxe Mountain. Now, it's not going to really do anything in terms of like what does it do? Okay, it knocks out Pickax Mountain. Pickax Mountain's not even finished being built yet, that facility there, by the way. So, really, it's sort of like he gets his big finish. Now, an Israeli source of mine recently used the phrase a war in three acts.
88:12And that's stuck in my crawl because if you think about it, that is what this is shaping up to be.
88:18The first act was the 12-day war. The second act is whatever you call the last six or seven months, and there's kind of a pause going on as everybody kind of reorients themselves to the new normal.
88:31The third act, the finale, the final act if we're talking in screenplay terms, the big finish would be a mushroom cloud over pickaxe mountain drop from a B2. And then Trump gets to say, "I'm the first president since Harry Truman. Drop it. I got my big bang. It was a movie finish and I'm done." Problem with that is once you do that, once you do that, Tucker, Russia and China and every other nuclear power gets a vote and they're not going to be too pleased. And by the way, to be fair to Trump, it might not. And this I talked to Anthony Aguilar last night and he kind of put this possibility in my head. Trump might not do a B6113. He might realize this is a bridge too far.
89:15But the Israelis, we just sold them $2.6 billion worth of bombs. Lots and lots of bombs. Not nukes.
89:24They've got their own nukes, but a lot of bombs. Now, that's not going to be hitting their their arsenals for many years. But the theory is it is possible in the month of October Netanyahu's up for an election he's losing right now. Possibly Mr. Netanyahu needs his next war. He's going to take what he has in terms of weapons and he's going to fire them or drop them over Iran to kickstart that war again. And then the stuff we sold them will be used to backfill those arsenals over the years. Um, and at that point, remember what Marco Rubio, our venerable secretary, somebody said to me, he's the greatest secretary of state. And I said, secretaries of state are
90:06supposed to be diplomats who end wars. This guy is like presiding over like 50 different wars.
90:11So anyway, Secretary of State Rubio three or four days into the war, a after the the the February 28th war, he was in Congress and he said um he said we had to attack Iran when we did how we did because Israel was going to attack them regardless in a few days and then we would have been hit by Iranian retaliation. So we had no choice. Well, I could foresee then if that's the logic here, if that happened before, past his prologue, the Israelis might decide to kick off another round, the final third act of a three-act war. uh by launching a strike, air strikes or something, maybe even nukes from a dolphin class submarine off off the uh the coast of Iran, which they've
90:49got six dolphin class submarines with nuclear tipped cruise missiles. Um the uh the Israelis could kick off something that we get again sucked into. I mean, it's been, you know, over 80 years uh since, you know, the one and only time nuclear weapons were deployed. And um that seems like a threshold that once you cross it uh the world is done. I mean the voluntary offensive use of nuclear weapons. I mean do you think that's been is currently being discussed? Uh yeah. Yeah. And I think that's one of the reasons why a lot of these generals and enrolls are constantly sort of like I said dangling the keys in front of the 2-year-old because he starts talking about it and
91:36they're like, "Oh no, Mr. president. Let's let's you know, they're constantly trying. Somebody said I can't remember now who in the last two days they said that um sort of like they're just giving him enough information to keep him on the path they want him on, but this is a guy who, you know, is going to go his own path no matter what. Um because I think there is I know there's fear among the retired uniformed officers that I know and I know a lot of top people uh retired retired generals in many cases and whatever you think of them in terms of their politics or whatever I think these people have a good read on what's going on inside the Pentagon
92:14and they have intimated to me that they're the the uniform military command is very frightened about what might happen with the n-word being used. so much. Do you think they would carry out I mean I would pray that they would not as patriots and Christians decent people carry out an offensive use of nuclear weapons like I no one's resigned if it's right right I mean even Cole and Pal finally had enough with Bush um but um well if it's a B61 particularly B6113 now I want to make it clear and and this is from General Randy Manor former head of defense threat reduction agency talked to him last night about this and he said look the B6 there's no no tactical nuclear weapon we have
93:03is going to be effective against pickaxe that's why they built it there yields they know the G I mean these are very smart people who knew our enemies are smart um they built this thing to survive the kind of attacks they figured we would subject the facility to so one of the things that we have is a B6113 It's a ground penetrating nuke. We have a B-6112 which I believe is an air burst uh nuke and those are kept I think in Nerlick. Um but the B-6113 is very convenient because we keep it in Whiteitman Air Force Base and the B2s are there and we can just load them up and fly them. And the thing is we can dial the yield. Okay, it's not like it's one yield, one strike.
93:44If we want a little teeny tiny explosion, we can literally dial back the yield on the explosive device and then you'll have a relatively confined nuclear blast. Um, so in that specific instance, Tucker, uh, the president could give the order and it's not like he's running through all the the you're not launching intercontinental ballistic missiles. They will give the order to the base commander. The base commander pulls the nuke out. They load it up onto the B2. B2 takes off and 17 16 hours later it does its thing and uh it's relatively straightforward in that way.
94:19Uh and the argument would be is hey we can control it not a big deal it's just a big bomb basically and I would remind your audience to uh uh bridge Elbridge Kby the under secretary of war like under secretary of war for defense um or policy he is writing the renewed or the new nuclear warfare doctrine which explicitly lowers the threshold for the deployment of nonstrategic nuclear weapons and uh why are Are they doing that? Well, part of that, Tucker, is because we've blown through all of our conventional munitions or most of them. And you tal we and I we've talked about that before.
94:59So, how do you make up for the gap? Because the defense industrial base isn't making it up. So, we have a lot of tactical nukes lying around from the Cold War. We'll just and some new ones that we're building. We'll just bring those to the four and we'll use those systems. Now, these people can't and I know a lot of these people um I do very well. And I do too. But, you know, mass psychosis is an interesting thing. It's like you lose your capacity to hear yourself. So, what they would be arguing is because we fear that someday Iran might have a nuclear weapon, we're going to nuke Iran. I think they would say it's China. It's about signaling to China. I think it's
95:36actually dark. Yeah. Signaling to the world that it's permitted to use nuclear weapons. Something that's been verboten for 80 years. So, it's like once you lose your nuclear virginity, there's no getting it back. and you were on inexorably a road to a real nuclear exchange in which everybody dies. Like obviously this has been known. This is intuitive. Like you don't need to have a grounding in history to know that. It's obvious. And so even the fact they're discussing it is is grounds for imprisonment as far as I'm concerned. Well, it's certainly grounds to get uh the institutions up and running again that are supposed to actually have oversight here. Uh this is my bugaboo as
96:16somebody who used to work there many years ago. Uh Congress is is not around apparently. Apparently we don't have a Congress because at the very least we we should be privately calling having friendly senators and congressmen to Trump calling and being like, "Hey man, you you can't do this.
96:33You you cannot do this. Uh it's not okay." We don't even have that. Everybody's just like, "Yeah, we're going to do it, America." So this is where we're at right now. Um, and by the way, you mentioned the leadership. You know, they they have to know. Um, I don't think we have responsible men and women in power. I think this gets back to the Epstein class. You look at what these people were doing to get power and wealth. Um, they don't have moral clarity. They don't have personal judgment. Clearly, many of them are sociopathic people. So, you know, we used to have leaders who really did worry about what, you know, what the other side might do that worried
97:19about the cost of people. I mean, we had one of our greatest presidents was Dwight D. Eisenhower who actually did not want to build bullets. He wanted to build butter and have more butter than guns because he recognized when you build weapons, that's a theft from the American people. It does not go into anything productive. It just goes into destructive means. And so we've had presidents and of course Eisenhower saw war and like very few other people did. But we've had presidents who had that capability. We don't have people today because we don't have a moral country. We have a we have a pagan country. Uh we have a post-western country. I people keep saying we're a western
98:04civilization. I don't believe that. I don't think there's anything about us anymore except maybe the language that's really western. So that's why you have people in the west. It's all the Western countries by the way. It's the Europeans. It's the Brits. It's it's the Americans. We're the ones acting like crazy people. The Russians are in Ukraine. But you know, Putin could have could have nuked Ukraine. Putin could have flattened the western side of Ukraine. instead he keeps bleeding Russians because he doesn't want to escalate beyond where it is. Okay, Xihinping. So, I changed my assessment uh you know at the be uh right after the war began in Iran and I saw what was going
98:48on. For years, I was convinced, yeah, probably they're right in the air force 2027 he's going to try something with Taiwan. I don't believe that. I said in back in June I I was writing about this. I actually think Xiinping watched the Russian experience in Ukraine. He watched the American experience in the Middle East. He goes, "I don't want that. I can get Taiwan um you know, through peaceful means. I can reabsorb them through trade and economy on a 50-year cycle.
99:16I can do that." So, he's I don't think I think the And that just tells me something. The leaders of these countries that we're at war with tend to be apparently more restrained than the American and European leaders. And I don't say that because I'm happy about it. I'm very worried about this.
99:33I mean, after watching, you know, the president of the United States threaten [snorts] the use of nuclear weapons against a country that doesn't have nuclear weapons because he doesn't want them. It's it's all so crazy that you can imagine normal Taiwanese saying, I'm why would we want to be aligned with that? You know, people, by the way, the the powerful force in any conflict is the one who restores order and peace. It's not person who that's dad. Dad comes home and stops the fighting. And so, of course, China doesn't need to invade Taiwan. It's It's also stupid. It's stupid. It's It's stupid. But that's another thing is intellectually, I mean,
100:15look at our look at look at the American test scores. Look at look at our educational system or lack thereof. Three generations at least have been poorly educated in this country.
100:26It's no surprise that we have idiots like from Idiocracy the movie running this country. It's it's no surprise. And now we're talking, you know, potentially world ending or whatever events and we have these people. We don't have John F. Kennedy secretly talking to Nikita Crushoff through GMO.
100:47uh you know, we we don't have the the kinds of responsible stewards uh of national security policy that we used to have. We have a CIA that is apparently running rogue and running their own operations against uh you know the Russians even after the president publicly tells them their boss don't do it. So that's kind of where we're at now. Well, I pray you're wrong, but I do think you're the single most informed commentator on all of this stuff. Oh my gosh. I worry that you're not I have a lot of haters out there if you can [laughter] believe it. You don't have much competition. I will say that. Brandon Wer, thank you very much for all of that. It was
101:24great to see Thank you, Tucker. Thanks. Thanks for watching. We'll be back next Wednesday.
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