0:01I actually when I went to do the Discovery Channel thing, they had me cut together like a fake reel where they're like, "Hey, can we just give you a quick script and you film and you act like you're on camera?" And De and I were like, "Okay, fine." So, we just filming with Kurt Mezer. We had just finished filming with him. And so, I took the laptop right here and I let it it was like four lines. So, I read it line by line. And then afterwards, I was like, "Well, [ __ ] I got to put a guest in there." So, I went and found footage of Kurt like ripping white [laughter] claws and playing with the >> ended up in the
0:31>> not only did it end I'm like I finish editing it real quick and I'm like this is hilarious. They're never going to accept this. I sent it to the EP ating Discovery and he's like awesome. I'm like oh my god. And then the director like insisted on leaving it in. So, he's like a co-star of that show with the white clothes. [laughter] >> You got to love it.
0:49>> He needs to get like an endorsement >> contract or something.
0:53>> Can I pull that mic in a little bit by the way? But >> all right. Is that better?
0:55>> Yeah, it's better. Yeah, >> he needs an endorsement from White Coll.
0:57>> He absolutely does. Yeah, >> he's just he's like pedaling it and he's not getting any any love for it and he's Well, he's getting love for it, but he's not getting any money for it.
1:04>> He's not getting money for it.
1:06>> You know, we're in New Jersey right now.
1:07You got to have the Mulan.
1:08>> You got to have the Mulan, baby. That's >> right.
1:10>> But how did how did he even find you?
1:13>> This is bizarre. So, again, I have a relatively small channel. It's through called Through a Glass Darkly.
1:19>> Link down below.
1:20>> Yep. And uh there's a episode I talk to a lot of remote viewers like actual not like you know like my my dog scratching his left nut sack and you know I I see visions of ghosts. No, it's like it's actually the people who were trained in the military protocol that went all the way back to Ingo Swan back in 70. Yeah.
1:41Stargate program. Well, Grill Flames Center Lane. It went by various names.
1:46>> But I talked to a lot of those guys like David Mohouse. uh Paul Smith, Lin Buchanan and I was interviewing Lin Buchanan and he, you know, had a story about an abduction that he had and it came back as kind of a strange memory.
2:03He was kind of going out getting in his car and his you know he'd always be paranoid about forgetting something and he always like it was just it was absurd and uh he kind of sits in his car and his wife's like you know she she's used to it and she's like ah you forget something again the car keys and suddenly he had this memory that kind of came back this hidden memory of this abduction experience. Anyway I'll I can talk about that later but >> you can talk about it now. We got all day man.
2:30>> Yeah. So, this is actually wasn't recounted for the first time on my podcast. It's actually in a book called Alien Agenda by Jim Mars and it's actually recounted in there and I didn't even know that. I had the book on my shelf from like decades earlier and I found it in there. I'm like, "Holy crap, it's in the book." Hey guys, three quick things. Number one, if you haven't subscribed, please subscribe. It's a huge, huge help. Number two, if you'd like to join my Patreon for early uncensored releases of the full episodes, you can join via the link in my description or in the pin comment below. And number three, if you'd like
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3:08>> But anyway, Lynn tells this story where he wakes up on, you know, he's seated with all these people and everybody around him is kind of in a days and there's like this tall, you know, for lack of a better word, tall white, but this like really like stacked built, >> call it, for lack of a better word, non-human intelligence, right? like big [snorts] black eyes, white skin, etc.
3:33And he's still kind of semi in a daysaze and he kind of looks over at this being and says something to the effect of, you know, he thinks he's on like an airliner and he's just like, "Hey, can I get a window seat?" And this thing looks at him like a lion was just let loose. kind of runs out of the room, comes back, and there's this uh, you know, small gray, >> right, that tries to basically say everything's all right and hypnotize him.
4:01>> And he finally realizes he's in this like weird weird situation where it's kind of an abduction.
4:08So, the being kind of shows him how to fly the craft. has one of these um hand devices that you've seen in um like is purported to have been in the Roswell crash some either the Roswell crash or like something that Bob Lazar has described >> and shows him how to basically fly this thing. So they eventually land on some place where there's black grass. It's like a twilight area and this bray is just like why don't you stay with me you know and would you like to you consider being a pilot and the guy's like Lin Buchanan is like yeah it' be fantastic he's like well you'll never be able to return to your family
4:50meanwhile and this is just again this is one of those stories it's so weird that all the rest of the people they funnel into this building on this hill and he hears like he he'd hear like a blood curdling scream and then a chorus of laughter and then there would be another blood curdling scream and then another chorus of laughter and he asked the gray like what the hell's going on over there.
5:14He's just like don't worry about it.
5:15It's not anyway >> and they're talking. It's not telepathic.
5:19>> No, it's tele I think it's telepathic definitely telepathic.
5:23>> So this is a story in a particular podcast and that's how Kurt found me. He's just like he couldn't >> Yeah, check out [laughter] But here's the thing, like Lin Buchanan didn't believe it cuz he had kind of faint memories of it. So then he had his team at Fort me remote view it. Now for people who don't know anything about remote viewing, the protocol is you get eight eight characters, right? So like 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8. used to be geospatial coordinates, but that would ruin the experience because when you're dealing with military officers and personnel, right, they'll start to see 8digit coordinates and they'll be able to
6:09figure out roughly where in the world they would be looking at, right?
6:13>> Okay.
6:14>> So, it would screw So, the way that this has to work or ideally it works is through a double blind protocol. Okay.
6:21And the way it works is you're given kind of just eight random characters and it corresponds to a target. Okay? And the target could be it's just some place in space and time. Could be the past, could be the future, could be anything.
6:39Typically, it's an intelligence or, you know, it was designed as an intelligence collection method, right? And so it was scientifically verified. It was produced in the Stanford Research Instit SRRI, Stanford Research Institute. Um, designed by uh they we're kind of working with this guy Ingo Swan who was a gifted natural psychic. But anyway, just I'll get back to that. But the way this works is that's all you get. You just get eight characters and it's like for people who are software engineers, it's like a pointer. It's like a pointer in memory [snorts] someplace, but it's just to a place in space and time. The
7:18reason they do that is you don't want to pollute the data that you would get from the target. So, and it's something they call frontloading. Um, also, uh, and that's if if I and there are examples of front loing where remote viewing has gone horribly arai, right? That's the whole heaven's gate situation, but we can talk about that one later, too.
7:42>> So, you don't want to have front loading. just want to open that aperture perception and see what comes in. You don't want to be polluted, right?
7:52Otherwise, if I tell you, hey, I'm looking for a missile base in Russia, you know, near semipalent pelatinsk or whatever, you're just you're going to start seeing missiles. You're going to start making up [ __ ] >> Mhm.
8:07>> Right. So, >> so it needs to be like tabulo rasa in a way.
8:10>> Yeah. Double blind double blind protocol. Sometimes it can be single blind, but even then there are some people who claim to know how this works, but the CIA, DIA were never never able to figure out how it works, and that was part of the reason they quote unquote cancelled the program. The program's still definitely going on, but uh I think Dean Raiden, who was associated with that, Dr. Dean Raiden, if you haven't talked to him, you definitely need to talk to him.
8:39>> I know that name.
8:40>> Danny Jones. Danny Jones definitely talked to him.
8:42>> Yeah. but he's used to work at Bell Labs and he was also affiliated with the program way back when and he's done an immense amount of um research on SAI magic like M A GI CK all that stuff and has demonstrated that SI works to you know odds against chance in some cases in the like se I I mean numbers that like we over like quadrillion let's say right like well over one in quadrillion odds against chance of this thing of certain things happening just randomly but um in terms of this intelligence technique it's just in order to kind of focus the mind and you slowly open that aperture of perception so you typically start with
9:36just classifying um is it a man-made object is it, you know, is it land, is it water, is it a life form, etc. And you slowly, methodically open that aperture of perception through depending on the technique you use because there's various techniques once they broke from Stargate, a lot of these viewers kind of put their own little stamp on it.
9:59>> Okay?
9:59>> But you gradually open that aperture perception so that by the time you're in stage six, right? Back in the day, they would build like full scale clay models and and things like that. I haven't seen anybody doing that today, but um it's it's a real capability.
10:17>> All right. I was holding in a question there just so I can fully understand this. When it makes sense at the beginning where you're explaining they open up the aperture and they start with however they're doing it, if they're sitting a room, sitting like this or just staring at the wall. I'm not sure.
10:30Maybe it's different for different remote viewers, but they come up with the thing like the base case of it. And then is someone like asking them more questions about what they see so they can start to whittle it down to I think you described it in stages like stage 1 2 3 4 5 six. Yeah. So sometimes so there's monitored viewing where you have a monitor that will kind of probe you and ask questions on certain things that you're reporting >> like a person's doing it.
11:00>> Yeah.
11:00>> Yeah. Now, ideally, you want that person also to be blind. Otherwise, they're going to be kind of foisting the >> Right.
11:08>> And the other thing is, this is what I was trying to get at and I got distracted.
11:13They're also trying to because they don't know how it works, right? Some people claim to know how it works, but you know, it in any of this stuff, it's it's difficult to really tell. Um, the reason you don't want the monitor to have it in his head because it might be something they call telegraph a telepathic overlay, right? So, you might be just pulling it out of their head for all you know. The other there's also a debate on whether or not you're pulling it out from the future, right? From you being in the future. So, as an example, let's say you remote view an event and then it happens. Your remote viewing
11:50might ne not necessarily be at the actual event. It could be that you're remote viewing your own future and you see the newspaper article >> that you saw. So there's there's a debate on that. So people like Eric Wargo who's focused on time and how it works will tell you that it's >> you're basically just >> looking ahead to your own future and seeing it's and that's why feedback is important. But there are others who will tell you no you're actually going to that event in space and time and that's why I mean like your your consciousness not you actually that's why people have things like uh effects like billocation.
12:26Now, billocation in the grander sai area typically means that you're in two places at once. Like there's saints that have been reported like that. Um like Padre Peio, uh Terresa, I think it's Terresa Vila, stuff like that.
12:43>> Sounds familiar.
12:44>> In remote viewing, billocation just means that you're um experiencing physiologically the effects of something you're looking at. So, and it can be dangerous. So, if you're looking at like a a fire, a forest fire, you know, some remote viewers will start sweating, like their heart will start palpitating.
13:02They'll they'll feel um in intense discomfort because they're getting a little bit too close cuz you're not just seeing this stuff in your mind. You're actually feeling it, touching it, you're feeling like in impressions of of where it's supposed to go.
13:16>> Is that why Padre Peio was reported to have like the stigmata?
13:20>> I don't know.
13:21>> Was that from that?
13:22>> I don't know if he was. I mean he wouldn't have been >> let me check that D if maybe I'm mixing him up with someone.
13:26>> Yeah. He wouldn't have been trained in the protocol. That's the other thing that's important to note. Remote viewing is a very narrowly defined aspect of SAI, right? And what you see is people are flooding the zone with, oh, I'm a remote viewer because I, you know, scratch my dog's nutsack and, [laughter] you know, he he, you know, vomits, you know, like pebbles and I count the pebbles.
13:48Think of it as like a form of um when you're talking about sigh and magic for that instance. It's kind of roughly interchangeable.
13:56>> There's so >> uh because what you're doing is you're influencing >> well I'm like I'm trying to find a way to generalize it. Um aspects of either seeing or controlling reality, right?
14:11>> Okay. So Dean Raiden has a book I think it's called it's magic or something like that but there's kind of three different forms. There's divination right there's enchantment and then there's the so divination is something like remote viewing would be a subset of divination.
14:32Now there are people out there who are naturally gifted psychics who claim to be remote viewing. They're not remote viewing, but they are they are demonstrating some aspect of clairvoyance. It's just it's just different. So, you have to be careful about and how do we really like define that then? Because again, when I've talked with different people about remote viewing to my dumbass, some of it feels like it's on a spectrum, if you will. Like, and you were saying at least earlier in my defense that it's done differently by some different people in different ways. So like how do they box it and say all right that's something
15:07psychic that's remote viewing if they don't start with a number right or not [clears throat] a number but like a num number like a string of eight number digits characters okay and they don't know what they're target and and and and they know what they're targeting I mean I have to be careful with this too because there are some instances where people know that they're looking for a missing person so I don't want to be too doctrinal, but you can't just say, "Hey, I I want you to like remote view uh you know, this alien species that I saw at the back of the comet, right? Cuz you're going to you're going to like you're
15:47going to that's basically what happened with this Heaven's Gate situation, right? Where someone was set up by someone from the original program." Uh anyway, there's >> Yeah, I will come back to the Heavenscape thing.
16:02>> Yeah. So if they don't start with that, it's probably not remote viewing. And there's kind of two broad categories.
16:09There's what you would call CRV, which is coordinate remote viewing or controlled remote viewing. That's where you kind of start with the number and target. And then there's something called and that's where you sit, you know, in the alpha wave brain state and you're just kind of writing decod, detecting, decoding and, you know, observing various targets. Then there's something called extended remote viewing where you probably get a little bit closer down to theta and uh it's more of a free form. You're just kind of not you're kind of laying down. You're very relaxed and you're trying to see certain
16:43things.
16:44>> Um so that's and then I would also say if they were trained by someone from the original program, it's probably remote viewing. Okay. But if they're like, you know, I'm like a Sicilian mystic, you know, >> from whatever, like they might actually be accurate and they might be, you know, doing some form of divination, right?
17:12They could be throwing chicken bones and uh what's what's the like what's the IQing? Something like that.
17:18>> I mean, you're outside of my pay grade now.
17:20>> So that's like a Chinese form of divination. And like Philip K. Dick.
17:25love Philip K. Dick.
17:26>> Well, here's a here's a story. So, there's another author that um that I've spoken to in the past who knew Philip K.
17:34Dick >> because he's a you know author and the name's escaping me for right now. Um uh Tim Powers. So, he wrote like the Pirates of the Caribbean like that was I think based on one of his >> really >> on Stranger Tides like that specific.
17:50Yeah.
17:51>> Wow. So, Tim >> that's a flex. Well, I mean, anyway, they he knew he knew Philip K. Dick. Um, and he said that Philip K. Dick would routinely use the I-ing and he would get answers that he didn't like. So, whenever he got an answer he didn't like, he would he would literally make the I-ing like I think it's like if it's like a board or it's not cards, but it's, you know, some contraption. He would make it sleep outside.
18:19>> I mean, he was a he was a crazy crazy guy.
18:21>> A little bit.
18:22>> Yeah. Uh, and he also attracted like really crazy he was like into really crazy women for some reason.
18:27>> They usually are in that kind of situation for sure. You know, they can't live with us here on earth.
18:33>> But that is another method of divination that some people swear by, right? Tarot might be something else. I don't know.
18:39I, you know, don't have any experience >> like the cards.
18:42>> Yeah.
18:42>> All that. Yeah. Like trying to tap into the other side.
18:45>> Astrology also would be another form of divination. So those are the kind of the categories. all the coffee shops in New York that [ __ ] >> They know already.
18:53>> They know already. Boy, [laughter] >> so they So that's divination, right?
19:00Then you have enchantment, right? And that's like casting spells on people and weird stuff like that that you would do in uh ceremonial magic, witchcraft. Um and then there's the just invoking the the help of a an entity, right?
19:18>> Mhm. So like prayer would be something like that. And according to Dean Raiden, there are empirical effects from prayer that are indistinguishable from spells apparently. He's like they're the same thing.
19:34>> How does he explain that?
19:36>> I I haven't gone gone into it. But um if you look at and in fact this this gentleman actually just passed. So he was the I've done three interviews of people that did not want to be seen, >> right? Just their voices. So, you know, like it or not, like AI allows you to create like a little character that you can sync their voice to and and whatnot to make it a little bit more entertaining.
20:03>> Do you change their voice, too? Make it like >> No.
20:07>> Oh, you keep it the same.
20:08>> I keep the voice the same. I just change the the character instead of >> Yeah. Yeah. And there's like a program that'll lip sync and all that stuff and you can create basically whatever you want. Uh so this this gentleman, his name was Pete Carol. He was the one of the if not the creator of a system of magic called chaos magic, >> which uh now I now I'm sounding like absolutely crazy. I'll just explain kind of [laughter] >> I'm just I'm just saying I'm just reporting. I understand that. But the way that he explains it, the way he explains it though is actually remarkably consistent with how quantum
20:44mechanics works, right? So you're familiar, everybody, you probably heard this a million times, but the double slit experiment, right?
20:50>> You, if you don't observe the electron or the subatomic particle going through, you get a probability distribution of every possible way that they could go through that slit, right? But if you observe it, you just get one thing against the screen like that deterministic thing. So all chaos magic basically said is because Peter and by the way he just passed I think on uh April 22nd and I was supposed to interview him on May 4th which is you know super unfortunate but he developed a system and the way that he said the system works is if you think of just simple probabilities right so the probability of any one event is P the
21:32probability of that event not occurring is one minus P right [clears throat] >> because the total 100% you cover everything. Okay.
21:40So, the way that you know he theorized magic works and again it's just you know a board chemistry student at the time that was coming up with this stuff is that there was kind of like a coefficient before that one minus p.
21:54So if you let's say you wanted to become like an NBA star tomorrow and you perform some sort of magical ritual right the probability of becoming a NBA star is extremely extremely small the probability of not becoming an NBA star is extremely large right one minus p >> but you're saying there's a chance >> well that's what that magical factor is but the the the multiple on that thing would have to be um you know enormous to overcome what that probability is of you know so it's very unlikely no matter what you do so it works for >> small things there's also some according to Peter Carol >> there are also certain other things that
22:43are related to it like uh it operates on the subconscious so this is this whole sigilization thing right so you typically put what you desire onto some and I think Dr. Heather Lynn talks a lot about this. In fact, she was being interviewed um by one of the hosts on Coast to Coast AM not you know uh Richard Styret I think and but it wasn't for Coast to Coast it was just for his own podcast and she was going into the detail on how you would create a sigil and kind of invoke it and stuff and there and during that she had this like painting of Pizuzu behind her which is basically a Sumerian ancient Sumerian demon.
23:28>> And as she was going through this, the the thing crashed and her the thing just cut out. So she got back on and you know it was just weird weird stuff. But the point of this sigilization is if it's in your conscious desire, it's less likely to happen. But if you were able to kind of invoke what that desire is into some sigil that two days later you're not even going to remember what it is. It operates on your subconscious to manifest it. Again, in theory, haven't tried it. Don't know if it works.
24:03>> Yeah, I'm going to sit here and try to manifest a [ __ ] 16-inch dick at this rate. [laughter] Holy [ __ ] I don't know. Like, the whenever you get into this space, there's always going to be a ton of [ __ ] You know what I mean?
24:14Like, there's going to be things where it's like some people are just making a living off of writing books, claiming you can do all this stuff that people actually can't do. And then sometimes if it's lighter, you know, think of just people who are like pure manifestation, like if I just say the words it'll happen, which technically isn't true.
24:31You know, it can have some sort of placebo effect to where things do happen. Because by the way, there is absolutely true science to something like positive affirmations and things like that, which are a piece of manifestation. But what's always fascinated me about the remote viewing is the fact that the government and the deep bureaucracies and the spy people have used this and at least at one point publicly sworn by it. Like you said, they claim to have ended Project Stargate. That's total [ __ ] Obviously, they're still doing something like this. But the fact that decades ago they founded a program on the basis of
25:06some people having some weird very cool thing going on in their brain to where they could actually be able to see things to forecast around the world for measures of national security. And then the fact that they used that and also seemed to have and I believe this gotten at least some results from it >> should be mind-numbing to everybody.
25:27Like that's crazy to me. Well, when it came out, there was a book that came out uh called Psychic Warrior. It was by David Mhouse. That's how I found out about it. I think I read it in 2018, and [snorts] he was the first one I interviewed because he had a background similar in the military that I I did.
25:44His was much more impressive, but we were both combat arms officers. I was a cavalry officer and he was an infantry officer, but he was good enough to command a ranger company, which is very few people in the army are kind of given that honor. And he was running a training exercise in Jordan in this place uh called Botnell Gul, which is kind of this, you know, allegedly according to the Jordanians, it's called, it's like a haunted valley. It's Valley of the Jin, whatever. And as he was staying there with his soldiers at night, like all the Jordanian soldiers would be like randomly screaming and
26:21things like that because they believed entities kind of roam the area. Anyway, while he was in that valley, they were running a just a field training exercise, live fire exercise, and he got shot in the head with a machine gun by one of the Jordanians.
26:37it, you know, hit the Kevlar and bounced off it and stuff like that, but he had kind of one of those hematomas. Yeah.
26:42>> And was basically ejected out of his body and had a number of experiences.
26:47>> Now, >> ejected out of his body >> in terms of like his consciousness essence. He said it was he reported it as if it was like a frequency on a radio station dial. It was turned and he was in like another frequency.
27:02>> Whoa. and he had, you know, some like older gentleman. It could have been his higher self. It could have been, he didn't know, but basically said, "You're, you know, you're on the wrong path. You're supposed to be on the path of peace, this and yada yada yada, something like that." So, he obviously if if you have an injury like that and you report it or you report that you're, you know, had some out-of- body experience in the Ranger Regiment, you're gone, right? like we at least back then I don't know about now but back then it's just like you got to be deployable 100% of the time or you're you're gone.
27:38>> So he kind of held on to it and I think in his next assignment uh at that time in his career like every army officer wants to avoid recruiting duty. It's just like the the absolute worst. So he somehow finagled uh an intelligence posting working in DIA. So, one of the scientists at DIA or actually they have these these psychologists, I think he was working on some program and this guy was he would ask him things in really guilt inducing ways and he's just like, "Oh, so have you had any strange experiences, >> you know, or or you would say anything you want?" You would say like anything you want to tell me,
28:21>> right? And just kind of look at him and he's like, "All right, [ __ ] it." So he just tells the story and the psychologist says, "I might have something for you." So he pulls out all these files of all the previous remote viewing exercises that these people in Stargate looked at and basically just kind of gave the file to him and said, "Hey, why don't you just read these over the next few days and get back to me and tell me if it's something you're interested in?" So what he was reading was during the Iranian hostage crisis, the remote viewers have the the difficulty with that is there weren't
29:02any plans of the US consulate or embassy. I I think it was embassy.
29:08>> Yeah, embassy >> in the United States, right? There may have been plans and stuff like that there, right, on site, but it was obviously the Iranians were in control.
29:18So they didn't have a map of the place and obviously they wanted this is like the desert one fiasco where they want to get Delta in there to rescue the hostages.
29:26So they only had two ways to get information. Ted CPP and [snorts] this really like esoteric method means of collection. So with Ted CPP, they would just bring in the cameras and like they would kind of show over his shoulder and this and that, but the remote viewers physically mapped out the floor plan of the embassy, US embassy, so that Delta would have it. And he was just >> Now wait a second. Why would Delta have not why would we not have already had access to that if it was our embassy?
30:03>> You know how government is, right?
30:05>> Yeah. Not exactly organized. I'm I'm sure they had floor plans on site, right? But they didn't have access to the US government didn't have access to that because the Iranians were controlled or or had controlled the >> Yeah. Yeah. Then by then they did.
30:18That's crazy though that they wouldn't keep like a [ __ ] copy of that in likely. But they're able to create the floor plan of it so that if there's some sort of drop in Delta knows where they're going.
30:29>> No, they have something. Yeah. Right.
30:31>> Do we know which remote viewers did that by the way?
30:33>> Um >> I don't know. I would imagine maybe it was um Joe McMongle because he would have been active at that time.
30:39>> That's what was coming to mind.
30:40>> The rest of them though, I don't I mean like Morehouse was >> kind of later in that cycle, but he just would have seen previous remote viewers.
30:49They also I think remote viewed the locations of some of the people that were taken hostages from Beirut.
30:57Um >> when was that?
30:59>> 83.
30:59>> Like 8283.
31:00>> 8283 something like that. So now the other thing that's important to note like just like any intelligence collection method, you can't put 100% in it, >> right? It's also not a good idea to put everything on one viewer, right? It's best to have a constellation of viewers uh independently viewing the same target >> like in separate rooms, blind completely.
31:26>> Yep. And then looking at taking the correlation of those things and seeing where things match.
31:31>> Yeah. And then that's those are more likely to be correct. But it's not like a fail safe. It's always right 100% of the time. It's going to I think usually it's around for a good viewer maybe 60% accurate. But you know if I just give you pencil and paper and tell you to describe literally anything in the universe >> and I'm 60% accurate.
31:51>> Yeah. And you're 60% accurate.
31:52Something's going on. Like something is something is accurate. So >> what what do we know about that science?
31:57I've talked to different people about this, but you're pretty deep into it because before I actually ask that question, the one part where I've had conversations with different remote viewers or people they've been around remote viewers where they'll make a claim where I'm like, I don't know about that, is when they'll say, well, technically most people can actually tap into this and do this. And actually, my friend Dr. Julia Mossbridge, who's amazing, she I believe she was even saying something like that. And that was the one thing where I'm like, Julia, I feel like, you know, if you're doing this, that's one thing. But, you know, I
32:30I don't know if me, Joe, and Nacho are going to start seeing [ __ ] you know, Iraqi prisons in two seconds right now if we had to lock in and do it. So, what is the science that allows at least some people to do it? And what is the what is the, in your opinion, the validity of an argument from people like Julia that might say a lot of people could technically do it?
32:51>> Yeah. So, a number of things to unpack.
32:53So number one, when they were first coming up with this protocol, they were doing these outbounder experiments, right? Where they would just send a team out to some location and then they would just ask ask somebody like just describe where this team is. They weren't using the numbers or anything like that yet.
33:13But then Ingo Swan was tasked by the army like look we can't do this loosey goosey like you know I'm I'm I'm feeling the my aperture perception's opening and I'm feeling it like I'm in the right mood and like we need soldiers to be able to do this. So we need to have a stepbystep protocol where you know you can train anybody to do it.
33:40And that's that's real. It's just like, can everybody play basketball? Well, you know, like the paralyzed person probably can't, right? But most people can, right? Are they going to be good at it?
33:52No. But they can, you know, most people have the capacity to play. It's the same thing with sibility. But the reason it's not more widespread in my opinion, and this is my opinion, is that does our intelligence community really want like two middle-aged women like remote viewing Langley, Virginia at like and then posting it on Twitter?
34:16>> That's the thing. Where does it stop?
34:18You know, like you can't put like a [ __ ] iron dome of remote viewing around any place. There are there are there are means to do it, but but a Faraday cage ain't going to do it, right? Like it works through Faraday cages. So, it's not >> um I don't want to say it's not electromagnetic, but there's it's like a non-local form of perception. You're talking about quantum mechanics, um uh quantum coupling, that sort of stuff because everybody's connected. This this, you know, you hear this kind of like a mantra, but there's something >> something to that. um in terms of sorry where was was the question again?
34:57>> Well I was talking about what is the what is the science behind being able to do it and the other part of it was like which is kind of what you were just talking about which is well could everyone technically do it that kind of thing.
35:08>> So the answer to that is most people have the capacity to do it but it takes it's like anything it requires practice in terms of the science I've heard a variety of different explanations. So at the biological level, the person that you want to look at is a remote viewer called Edward Reirden.
35:27>> Now he doesn't have a science background. He's not a biologist. He's arrived at the way he think it works entirely through his own kind of perception, remote viewing. So again, I'd have to like there's a whole episode I do with him on this and I'm not queued in, but there's some parts of the brain. I think this like CA3 component of the brain is somehow related. The calaldate patamon is also >> somewhat related to it. And then there's a way that it the you know the you receive kind of think of the information that people receive from non-local consciousness is like just cloud computing, right? And then the brain is
36:10a transceiver. So it comes from somewhere and then your brain detects, decodes and objectifies this information as it comes in.
36:19>> That's right.
36:20>> Yeah. So that's kind of the biological side of it. And then as it starts going through your brain, it passes through all those parts of the brain that again I not an expert on it. This is just and it's also his own perception >> in terms of how I think a David Mohouse has described it and you know we'll get into you know you've I'm sure heard of it Bentov and >> Mhm. Morehouse has done a couple great podcasts with Danny in the past but yeah there's a lot of legendary names here.
36:50>> Yeah. So, well, so the way he would explain it is there's this eight-dimensional holographic field, right?
37:00>> And what we're doing is we're trying we're accessing that field and we're trying to collapse that data into three-dimensional or actually four-dimensional spaceime, right?
37:11because there's a time component for fourth dimension >> and you're just kind of reaching out that information everybody is able to access there are also and this is this kind of goes separately I'm taking kind of another uh area of physics that I know very little about but is similar and this is um E8 like the E8 lattice theory right which again it's like this reality is some eight dimensional hyper cube and there are little tiny crystals that are part of it that are of plank length, right? And reality is our reality is basically a projection of that into lower dimension. So think of it as like shadow of a higher dimension
37:54and it's built out of something they call quasi crystals. There's something about lie groups. Don't ask me what a lie group is. It's a some I'm not a physicist, but that is could also be a similar mechanism to what Morehouse was explaining.
38:10>> How do you how do you spell lie group?
38:12Is it L?
38:14Can we pull that up, D?
38:15>> Yeah, you're you're going to get like physicist gibberish. Like it's going to be like, >> well, let's try to decode it in in New Jersey right here. See what we got.
38:25>> Oh, we're looking at the I Ching, huh?
38:27>> Well, we had that earlier.
38:28>> Yeah. L you're going to get some like >> lie groups and remote sensing scene classification.
38:35That sounds about right, right?
38:40>> Yeah, it's mathematics too. So it's like lie groups are applied >> group. Yeah, you already searched >> put E8 lattice liroup.
38:49>> Is that how you spell you want it spelled? The E8 lattice is a highly symmetric eight dimensional structure linked to the largest exceptional lie group containing two [laughter] 240 root points. I understood all that.
39:01I just want to be very clear. I know exactly I'm picking up what they're lifting.
39:05>> Yeah, the root points are pretty pretty uh pretty important.
39:08>> It acts as a go back that deep. Sorry.
39:10It acts as a potential foundation for unified field theories notably used by a Garrett Lei to suggest a connection between particles, forces, and gravity.
39:20The 248dimensional E8 lie group represents a complex eight-dimensional crystal structure. It sounds really cool.
39:27>> Yeah. So that's that only only is a potential explanation for remote viewing, it's also a potential explanation for what's going on with when people talk about interdimensional beings and stuff like that.
39:39>> This is an explanation for that.
39:40>> Yeah. Yeah. If every if every reality is a shadow of this other reality, right?
39:46You you change an object, there be there'll be like an infinite number of overlapping shadows. So think of a reality or dimen I don't the thing that pisses me off is every time one of these like whistleblowers they're not whistleblowers you know how you know they're not whistleblowers cuz they're still alive >> so [laughter] um I'm just you know so they've been they've been allowed to talk about whatever they're talking about like obvious they've been cleared to talk about it >> so whenever they talk about interdimensional like interdimensionality like that like they never explain what that means,
40:22right? Like I think Eric Weinstein was on Twitter like he's constantly complaining about I want there no physicists blah blah blah blah but he's got a point in the sense that like no one ever explains what they mean by interdimensional beings like what does that mean? Does that mean like different realities? They're overlapping.
40:40>> Does it mean like what Philip K. Dick did in Man in the High Tower where they're just going between dimensions of actual reality?
40:46>> I think that's exactly what it means.
40:47But no one's no one ever defines it.
40:48They just talk about it. But I think that's what this um E8 lattice theory kind of explains. And this is where I would there are there's a British researcher um and an American researcher and an Irish researcher. So uh Steve Mera, Barry Fitzgerald and then uh relatively newer on the scene is Nathaniel Gillis where like Steve Mea started with like poltergeist activity and um and kind of like looking at the skull experiment. Are you familiar with the skull experiment?
41:20>> The skull experiment.
41:21>> Skull. S C O L E.
41:24>> Refill me in.
41:26>> This is more people should know about because it's it is absolutely wild.
41:30>> So they did an experiment in England in the town of Skull in the '9s. Okay. And in that experiment, they uh you're familiar with like Steven Greer and his >> C5. That's just another flavor of this which back in the day during the spiritual spiritualist movement people would have um engage in seances right >> so they typically have I want to say it's like five to seven sitters five or seven sitters where they have people sit around the table and they all kind of get into like a translike state and they summon or invoke entities. Okay. So they systematically tried to do this in 1992 and documented and recorded everything
42:17that happened. So typically would start with poltergeist activity.
42:22Then they would start to see or hear disembodied voices and and then they would uh got into a closer thing where once and they would swap out people because you have to have the right number of folks around the table. And then they would eventually um experience a ports. So you know what an aort is it's when um something will just materialize out of thin air like a marble or like we start going into the whole crypted kind of >> the cryptids >> the crypted thing >> this is layered >> that happens with all that or has been suggested to happen with I think a lot of it's similar stuff it's just called
43:03different things.
43:05So, you know, things started materializing and then at some point they have they there was like entities that they started physically seeing and they have one on camera like I can't make it up.
43:19It's called Mr. Blue. Just look it up, right? And there's this like it looks like a gray. It's just like glowing blue and just kind of on camera.
43:29Anyway, uh there's also a technique called quantum imaging where they're able to take uh somehow access these overlapping realities and take pictures around. Again, I haven't seen it. I haven't experienced it. I'm just reporting.
43:46>> Just reporting the facts. Okay.
43:48>> Oh, there it is. Does that look familiar?
43:50>> Yep, that's it.
43:51>> That's not creepy looking at all. Holy [ __ ] What ended up happening is the experiment kind of got out of control and they just stopped it.
44:00Uh but anyway, Steve Meera pointed me to this E8 lattice theory as as kind of a model of reality that's close to that. Yeah, I do. I really do think there's something to the different dimensions of possibility. And I've really thought this since talking with Mitchaku back in episode 145 a few years ago because to me he always explained it the best where he'd talk about like imagine if you had a transistor radio and you just turned it a little bit and instead of us two there'd be a dinosaur right here. And I'm like, that actually clocks because to me, we're so far away from wherever the the bottom layer of
44:44physics is. And there are so many different weird things that happen. And I'm spaghettiing a bunch of things in my head right now that are inexplicable.
44:54Whether it be something like deja vu or dreaming something into existence or the fact that you dream at it all and basically turn into a you know a nightly death state in a way going outside your own consciousness to understand something else or see things that could be real or later come real in the world.
45:10All these things like put together followed by the happen stance of time and place and situation and all the all the possible outcomes with like the butterfly effect and things like that.
45:21To me, it would make sense that there are different physical realities that exist based on each distinct possibility, if that makes sense. You know, like this is where it gets into like time travel and stuff like that as well. But I always, that was kind of what sold me on some of this because when you talk to Mitchio about time travel, he's like, "It's not as simple as going back to April 14th, 1965 and making sure John Wils Booth doesn't make it in there with the gun. You can go do that, but you're not changing the reality you're coming from. You're chang you're creating a new estuary on the river, and you're changing a different
45:58reality, meaning a different dimension for what that is." And this is exactly what Philip K. dick laid out effectively and it just that seems like there is a there there.
46:09>> So the question is is if there are entities that have kind of figured this out first >> Mhm.
46:14>> they might be poking into this reality.
46:16Again, I'm pure spec. [laughter] >> Let's go.
46:20>> Yeah. Pure spec, right? They could be poking. I mean, and that's the same thing could be how time works. It sounds like in the block universe, again, I'm not a physicist. I think the way it works is everything is kind of it's already happened and if you just went back you're not going to change anything because if you change something that was the way it was always supposed to be.
46:39>> It sounds like um Mitchioaku's referring to something different. Maybe it's like a Hugh Everett many worlds theory, >> right? But the thing about that though is the the math and again I don't not a physicist don't fully understand it is that once a reality is set all the possibilities collapse and you can never go to a parallel like that that branch is forever closed now maybe there's some other way to get there and which he seems to be referencing because you know I think Hugh Evers many worlds interpretation was like in the 1960s so there's been a lot of changes since then And [clears throat] I think the way that
47:20this stuff works, I think um wouldn't necessarily have to have been classified, right? You've heard the um Andre, Mark Andre, he had that interview where they were talking about AI and somebody in the White House and they were talking about um you know, we're going to need to classify some of this and Mark Andre's like how are you going to classify basic like this is mathematics. You can't classify mathematics. And whoever he was talking to at the White House said, "We absolutely can. We've classified whole areas of physics." So >> yeah, it's it's on Twitter. You can find it. Like it's just >> Oh, can we find that deep whole? We've
47:57classified whole areas of physics.
47:59That's the word they use.
48:00>> Yeah, >> that's not surprising.
48:04>> It's It's not. It's just the brazeness of just saying that out loud to a dude who's going to run on Joe Rogan and then say that. That's >> Yeah, >> that's interesting to me.
48:15Wow. Cuz like do you think little sidebar here, you think they got [ __ ] like anti-gravity?
48:24>> Maybe.
48:26>> Maybe. Um >> where would it come from if they had it?
48:31Like did they get it from somewhere else?
48:34>> Well, then we get into kind of layers of control, right? When you talk about Epstein.
48:41>> I wasn't even going there, but do sign me up. Let's go.
48:44>> Well, I'll give you an example. There's I I somebody just told me the name, but Epstein's bragging about this Cold Fusion guy that he just >> Puns.
48:54>> Ponds. Yeah. Stanley Ponds, right? Where he's just like, "Yeah, I took care of him."
48:59>> Mhm.
49:00>> So, anytime there's an invention like that, there's just some weird system above the nation state level that just kind of shuts things off or makes them go away.
49:12And you know there are folks that I've interviewed who I like I can't verify any of these claims. And that's that's the other thing too that I you know this deep into the interview I I need to emphasize there's a ton of myths and disinformation in this that is deliberately meant to steer you away from things. So as an example like the tic tac thing the fact that they're you know it's definitely not Russia or China like it's definitely not. Now, could it be ours?
49:39>> Like what they saw around the Nimmits and all that. Yeah.
49:42>> Now, it could be ours. And the reason they say it could be ours is because what they're trying to tell us what it is, right? They're like pushing away from that.
49:52>> Why do you say it's just at the outset?
49:53Why do you say it's definitely not Russia or China to start?
49:57[gasps] >> Because we wouldn't be the global hedgeimon if >> they had that.
50:04>> Yeah. Yeah. There's no way. There's no way.
50:06>> I agree with you. So anyway, kind of just going back to it, but I I don't I don't think it's ours.
50:14Uh but I'm willing to, you know, admit that I could easily be wrong.
50:20>> Yeah, that's actually one cuz you're as to get more specific. One of the stories you hear with that is David Fraver, Commander David Fraver, who talks about seeing the Tic Tac and then has the video of it that shows something clearly doing some weird [ __ ] that was technology we didn't have in 2004 and we still don't have right now.
50:37That said, I have I'd be open to it being something else for sure, meaning not of this universe, but I've always looked at that one and I don't know why. I just love how he describes it because he's just giving you the facts of what he saw and letting you decide. I appreciate that about David Fraver. I look at that one and I go, you know, if DARPA was talking telepathically to do in [ __ ] 1992, I feel like they they might have had some weird tic tac flying in odd directions by 2004. Maybe I'm crazy, but so this is the reason I don't think it's ours. So I spent, you know, four out of my five years in the army training US forces for
51:18Iraq and Afghanistan, right? So I was what they would call the red team, OP four. Uh was an expert in Soviet doctrine and tactics because that's what we were focused on >> in what? Soviet >> doctrine in tactics.
51:29>> Okay. before 911, right? After 911, we changed things up a little bit and were but we would have these massive war games with, you know, 5 to 10,000 people on both sides and it was like a big advanced version of laser tag. We had these little like Rathon kind of lasers that could reach out and touch something two kilometers away and then there would be a little light and we would track everything. Um, >> where would you do this? in the Mojave Desert, Fort Orwin.
51:58>> That's kind of gangster.
51:59>> US. Yes. US National Training Center. It was It was a blast because unlike me many other kind of [snorts] countries, the way that we train, we train as we fight, right? So, we But our mission was to beat the [ __ ] out of whoever they put us up against so we could expose all the areas of weakness that they could shore up before they went to actual combat.
52:22But having had that experience, it's highly dangerous, right? Um, and you don't inject things that the people who are on either side don't know about. So, and that was just kind of ground some limited air, right? We would call in A10s and stuff like that just to >> Whoa. They going all out. Yeah, it was we would use um CS gas because we were Russian. We could use chemical weapons.
52:57So, uh Oh, >> you're playing the Russians.
52:59>> Oh, yeah. We would we do paper uh and we also would do deception, right? So, I would go buy like a hundred blue paper plates from Walmart and we would lay them out like minefields, right? And then uh you know we just wait in a keyhole position and you know the unit would come in and think they're minefields. They're just you know they could they could just [laughter] dro and then we would ambush them and kill them.
53:24Right.
53:25>> Oh my god.
53:25>> So yeah we we got >> Yeah.
53:29>> Yeah. Okay.
53:29>> Yeah. They just like >> they're still alive.
53:31>> Called the whoopy light. Yeah. It's like whoop whoop like we got you. Right.
53:34>> Do you talk to him in the Russian accent too? Like we got you [ __ ] >> No.
53:38>> No. You're not doing that.
53:39>> But >> you got to play it the part. Come on.
53:41>> No. It was fun. It was fun because we just >> I could see your eyes going back there.
53:45>> Yeah, it was I mean it was like getting out there and like getting [snorts] all the equipment back and all that. Like that was just a pain in the ass. But once like that 3 to four hours of like fake combat, which is not, you know, it's not real. I have buddies who went overseas after that. I didn't I didn't go overseas, um which I regret, but most people who went overseas like you didn't miss anything, buddy. You're you're you're okay.
54:09But um they said that it gave them a pretty good experience. The only thing that it didn't do well is it didn't simulate the kinetic aspects. Like when I fire this rocket into a wall, there's going to be shrapnel, >> right? And and anyway, I'm getting off topic here. So, >> no, it's good. I like the engines.
54:30>> The point is is when you're you know, I was just these operations were mainly on the ground and there were no surprises.
54:35Could you imagine if you're flying a multi-million dollar aircraft on a, you know, trying to land on a aircraft carrier in the middle of the ocean? You're just going to be like, "Surprise, here's a, you know, here's a, you know, something that's absolutely crazy and you don't expect." I'm not saying it wouldn't be done, but it would be highly highly irresponsible to do something like that because, you know, the military cares very much about safety, carries very much about protocol and that would be the most unsafe thing I could possibly imagine that you would do aside from setting a carrier on fire
55:10just to, you know, right, for fuel, right? So, that's why I don't think it's ours.
55:19>> [snorts] >> I also think about the compartmentalization structure though too because like even just within one agency you pick it NSA, CIA, DIA like there will be brilliant highle dude over here and then brilliant highle dude on something else over here. They never talk to each other. This guy's read in on all this crazy [ __ ] that this guy's not and vice versa. So, it's like when you talk about places being able to keep a secret, a lot of times the head of the snake, the the top of the chain I should say, doesn't even know what's going on down below them. Like Pete Hegathth is the Secretary of War right now. I mean, I'm
56:00not just saying this because it's Pete Hegathth. I'm saying in general, like he doesn't know [ __ ] threearters of the [ __ ] probably that happens at the Pentagon in skiffs and things like that.
56:09So if we did have something like a tic tac, it's not even like Delta Force or the Navy Seals or some of these guys would hypothetically know about it. I see your argument though that it's like it's completely unsafe, right?
56:23>> Yeah.
56:24>> So again, I'm open to it's possible. So um where was I going with this? I forget.
56:33>> Yeah, that was a good tangent.
56:34>> Oh. Oh, I know. I know. So, we were talking about Epstein. So, I think I don't think Epstein is like the layer of control that's out there, but he's the one that kind of was exposed and slipped through. I think at the highest levels, you're talking like Rockefeller Foundation, >> uh, World Economic Forum, Bilderberg Group, um, the Atlantic Council. Who who else? U, I'm missing one. Trilateral Commission, >> the Tril and that's Yeah, that gets >> I'm starting to wonder if some of those places are even fronts, too.
57:12>> I I think they I think many of them are.
57:14I think it just it just keeps going, right?
57:17>> But what I think is that there's some level of control that we wouldn't even recognize.
57:25>> And I think when we see stuff like this, >> uh, you know, like every time we mess around with nukes, right? So you like the, you know, we're in Jersey, right?
57:33The Jersey drones. Mhm.
57:35>> I think some of those were ours, but I think the only reason some of those were ours is because there was things that were flying in our airspace that were not ours, were not Russian, were not Chinese, and we just flooded the zone with our own stuff in order to confuse matters so that public officials could say, "Oh, yeah, those are just ours."
57:54>> Yeah.
57:54>> And the other thing that you also look at where they fly these things, right?
58:00So in Jersey they were centered around Pikatini Arsenal at around the time that I think in 2009 you can check me the audience should check me because I I'm not recall exactly but I think we took off took removed all our tactical nukes from Britain right or the UK so places like Lake and Heath stuff like that where there were also a lot of drone sightings at around the same Interesting.
58:31>> So, you know, I know Pikatini Arsenal is a place where they have weapons and stuff like that, but if I had to guess, I think we probably were kind of reinstalling nuclear triggers in like W67 gravity bombs. Nuclear gravity bombs.
58:46>> Okay. In English, what does that mean?
58:48So, just the components of tactical nukes that are dropped from like uh B-52 bombers and things like that, >> like just setting up the triggering mechanisms to make them work, right? My guess, and this is just gas pure spec, right, is that they were putting these things back together and they were shipping them back over to Lake Heath as things were heightening with the Russians because this was back in [sighs] was it like 2024 maybe >> December 2024 specifically, >> but it was even before that it it started started a little bit, but >> like November and Lake Yeah. in Jersey it was particular. So
59:32>> that would be my There was also um there's a base I think Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana >> where I think it's like the eighth strategic bombing uh wing.
59:43>> Mhm.
59:44>> Which is also experienced a ton of these sightings at the same time. So, didn't hear about it too much, but I have friends who were just getting, you know, texts and DMs from retirees, like Air Force retirees saying like, "These things are flying over. They're not ours or it's crazy, etc., etc." So, anytime we start messing around with nukes or start moving around nukes, these things always come out.
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