0:01So, anyway, I started this thing and the people I worked with on the board and stuff were like, "Julia, you keep talking about love and time and you say these things and it's wonderful and that's great. We've got these technologies, but what is love? We need to tell our donors what love is because they always ask." And I'm like, "Okay."
0:16So, I had to I had to figure it out.
0:18>> [gasps] >> So, I don't know if it's a good answer, but that's what we're going with.
0:22>> I like that it's simple.
0:23>> Yes.
0:23>> I like that it's straight to the point, you know? Like even if people think that that might even be bland for something that everyone spends all of their life chasing or or is like one of the ultimate forms of trust that you build in the world when you can love another person, they can love you back.
0:42I think it's important that you're able to distill it quickly and and make it make you focus on even if it's just one term that's like, "Oh, that's what I got to do. I got to connect." Or "Oh, I got to trust." Rather than like, "Well, it's really this thing and it's visceral and it's out there in the ethersphere and if you touch it and feel it within the waves." Now, people are like, "Oh my god, I'm never going to get >> going to be able to do that.
1:04>> Yeah, it's like chasing the magic dragon.
1:05>> Well, no. And in terms of universal love, which is which is the sort of creme de la creme, which is this relationship with the in my interpretation with God, right? That's universal love. That that's the same, right? And so >> Wait, that's the same?
1:19>> Like universal love and God I think are the same.
1:21>> Did you say same or saying?
1:23>> Same. S A M E.
1:24>> Okay. So, you think universal love and God are the same?
1:28>> Yeah.
1:29>> Please explain.
1:30>> Well, God is love, right? I mean, like what better definition do we have of God?
1:36I mean >> I can't think of one.
1:37>> No, right?
1:38>> Yeah.
1:38>> I mean because because if if God if you know, assuming God created everything or creates everything actively, right? It includes everything. Like you were saying, it includes the evil, it includes the good.
1:53So, it has to it has to be love because you can't a creator can't create all that without loving it.
1:59>> Mhm. You can't create Jeffrey Epstein without being an incredible have incredible love capacity.
2:07Right?
2:07>> All right. Yeah, I I see what you're saying. Can you extrapolate on that though?
2:11>> Yeah.
2:12>> I I this is a really important idea.
2:14Yeah.
2:15>> It's um >> [snorts] >> There's a beautiful uh poem So there's a wonderful book called Love Poems from God. Uh translator Daniel Ladinsky who unfortunately died but who's this amazing translator. He took 13 different mystics from East and West.
2:34Um so Muslim, Hindu, he was Jewish.
2:38There's no Jewish mystics in there.
2:39Christian, Muslim, Hindu mostly and maybe Sikh.
2:43Um and he has many many poems from all these mystics that we're talking about like Catherine of Siena, uh John of the Cross, um Rumi uh Kabir. All these folks are big names.
2:58>> And he translates there what they're saying to beautiful poetry and in one of them he has this sword. He talks about the sword who dies like if a if a sword could die. This I forget.
3:11This might be Kabir but I'm not sure. Uh the sword dies and goes to heaven and is talking to God and says, "God, will you forgive me uh for all the wrong I've done. I've I've hurt many people. You know, I've ended many lives."
3:24And God says, "What kind of God would I be if I created you to do your work and did not love you?"
3:34>> Okay, so the contrary point that people automatically put that and you're using a sword which is his thing as an example there for what they they said in whatever that poem was but pretend it was a person for a second, someone who killed a bunch of people that says the same thing with this kind of the allegory.
3:53What does that say about a God who says that to that person but also knows that that God created the same people who are on the other end of it?
4:02>> That's right.
4:03So that's the tricky thing about God, right? If universal love is if we are to learn that we are loved by God and that we're forgiven for all the stuff that all of us do.
4:19How are we going to learn that if we decide that okay, that's true of me but it's not true of you?
4:24>> Mhm.
4:28It's another thing that can take a lot of grace for for someone to get there, you know?
4:33>> Yeah, which by the way doesn't mean that it's okay to do those things cuz >> [clears throat] >> right? I mean, I saw the Epstein survivors talk about their experience.
4:45So these are these are powerful women who are saying their truths publicly and vulnerably and the impact that they hope to have, I also hope to have for them.
5:01And and so that so it's not to say that this person should what it is to say is when there's someone who for whatever reasons that we don't understand is behaving in this way anyway that's hurting people consistently and can't be rehabilitated and is clearly just a complete disaster.
5:23What it does say is we have to remove them from society so that they can't continue to do that.
5:31>> Yes.
5:31>> And do that in a loving way.
5:34>> In a loving way.
5:36>> In a loving way. Like we love Jeffrey Epstein, we lovingly have to lock you up for the rest of your life. I mean, >> [laughter] >> you know what I mean? Like >> One way to put it.
5:43>> Well, I mean like >> Yeah.
5:45>> I'm not excusing any of it.
5:47And it can read like an excuse, but what I'm saying is everyone is forgiven.
5:56And we still have to work towards the good.
5:59>> So, do you think something like hell exists though?
6:01For the people who decide that they're above their actions here and they're just going to bank on forgiveness for whatever evil they may do regardless of what that is or how bad it gets?
6:13>> Um there are certainly people like that. I mean, that's >> I think he was one of them.
6:17>> Empirically true. He was absolutely one of them.
6:19Um do I think hell exists? I'm Jewish.
6:22There's not um a really good concept of hell in Judaism. There's this feeling that God created everything including like Hitler.
6:30And you still get to say, you know, Hitler was a son of a [ __ ] and >> That's right.
6:35>> should have been killed. Like that's also true.
6:38>> That's right, but Hitler and this is the crazy thing, too.
6:41I think about this a lot. Hitler was once a baby that was born.
6:44>> Yeah.
6:45>> Right? Now, I could buy, I've talked about this before with people, I could buy that scientifically maybe with the right the wrong push I should say, certain people are born with certain genetics that more predisposes them to maybe go in the wrong way if they're given that wrong push, but by and large I've always been really obsessed with like the environment that people are born into and then develop in and the things that happened to them and the response impulses that they then choose with those things that happened to them.
7:15>> Yes.
7:16>> with Hitler, I'm always like, who is the [ __ ] who didn't let this guy in the art school?
7:19>> No, always.
7:20>> Right?
7:21>> Always.
7:21>> Who is that person?
7:23>> back in time and don't kill Hitler. Tell him to go to art school.
7:25>> Go to art school.
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8:03>> I But, see, that's a very inclusive So, it's the same response I have to people who get well, you know, people get it all freaked out about this one person is evil. Like, right now it's Epstein. This one person's a bad person.
8:20And it's like, yeah, obviously, I don't approve of that behavior. That's unbelievably devastating behavior, and he ruined people's lives and is still doing it. I mean, talk to me about what the [ __ ] he did to women in academia.
8:34But, but, you know, if you focus on one person, it's another dissociative move in the sense of you don't ask the question, how does my behavior have anything to do with this?
8:48It's like, I'm white, that person's black. It's I'm not saying racially, I'm saying like, I have the light and that person's in the dark. They're all bad, I'm all good. In other words, >> I see.
8:58>> You see, it's like, well, if you read the Epstein files, well, I will talk about what he did to women in academia. There's one exchange where um this I'll just tell a personal one and then a general one. In a personal one, I'm in the Epstein files because a guy named Joshua Bach, who's a cognitive scientist in Germany, >> Mhm.
9:17>> was basically, as far as I read it, was currying favor with Epstein on its on Signal, Chatter, WhatsApp, or something, and was talking they were being smart together cuz Epstein loved like smart academic types, right?
9:29>> Mhm.
9:30>> And so, they were talking and Joshua Bach, who I've worked with on a panel once, um so, he knew me vaguely, but I don't think he'd ever read his work. He said, "Well, um, you can't ever figure out They were talking about the lottery. You can't ever figure out who wins the lottery unless you're Julia Mossbridge and you, uh, believe that, you know, it's retrocausally available information from the future."
9:52>> It's so strange to read your name in those emails.
9:55>> So creepy. And also like knowing that I had already worked with this guy and he already struck me as creepy and now here it is. So it's like But that's one example of he knows So Joshua Bach knows he can curry favor with Epstein by making fun of a woman in academia. Okay.
10:12Fast forward to, um, John Brockman, another academic.
10:17>> Yes, the head of the, uh, Edge Foundation, right?
10:20>> Yep. Talking to Epstein and trying to get funding for a conference on AI and, uh, Epstein saying, "Well, this is, you know, that we used to have We didn't used to have to worry about diversity and com- So basically there were 20 few 20 some people coming to the conference to speak about AI, professors. Three of them were women." He says, "Well, that's too many women." Something like, "We didn't used to have to worry about diversity. I like the old days. Anyway, these women are weak. Sorry."
10:50And he was talking about like Alison Gopnik and some other women who are just these famous, you know, MIT, UC Berkeley people.
10:58And then, Science of Consciousness, University of Arizona, was supposed to happen in in early April. I was going to go there with my team and talk about the non-speaking autistic, uh, results, um, that we have the results from non- non-speaking autistic people and talk about telepathy and talk about their minds and anyway, we find out it's canceled. Why is it canceled? Because some of the folks involved, like Stuart Hameroff and Deepak Chopra, are in the Epstein files and Stuart Hameroff took $50,000 and didn't tell University of Arizona and lied about it. And so it just pisses me off because like
11:34on the one hand, I'm like universal love, [ __ ] because we because like we have to get it that that's there, too, and they're all forgiven, too. And one of the things about universal love is I get to feel loved, too.
11:49>> Mhm.
11:50>> It's not just for everyone else, right?
11:52I get to feel loved for my anger, my my frustration with the situation. I get to feel loved even though I reject any thought that some wealthy elite man is going to [ __ ] change my career for the past 20 years, and I didn't even know it until now because of the circles he's running in and the money he's giving or not giving.
12:20And I you know, I reject it.
12:23And at the same time, it's all held in love. I mean, so it's just it's this weird paradox.
12:30And so, I want to play a song about this.
12:33>> Please.
12:34>> Can I?
12:35>> Yes.
12:35>> Are we Did you want Have another question, or can I jump in on the banjo?
12:38>> play. We got the I've been looking at the banjo the whole time.
12:40>> Okay.
12:41>> Let's do it.
12:42>> Okay.
12:43>> Dave, we got the EQ ready?
12:44>> Yes, sir.
12:45>> So, I'm not going to sing uh the first part, the verses. What this isn't showing you is uh the chorus, which turns this into an actual protest song that is really timely and kind of precious.
12:58>> Interesting.
12:59>> So.
13:06>> [music] >> So, those are the first two verses, you know, [ __ ] Creek's wide, [ __ ] Creek [ __ ] Creek's deep.
13:20Um I'll have [ __ ] Creek before I sleep. The verse about I'll roll my breeches to my knees.
13:25>> Yeah, I know.
13:26>> Also, so breeches are actually knee-length pants. The only way to roll them to your knees is from the top down.
13:31>> Uh-huh.
13:32>> Right? But it's a little it's a little coded, which is >> Oh, it's I don't think it's coded. I think it's exactly what it reads like.
13:38>> Uh, exactly.
13:39So, then here's the chorus.
13:43Let's see. Let me get this I'll have to do the beginning part again.
13:47>> [music] >> Release the Epstein files, release them all. Release the Epstein files, one and all. [laughter] Release the Epstein files, release them all. Release the Epstein files, Epstein files, one and all.
14:11Pretty cool, right?
14:11>> That's pretty cool. They were smart back then.
14:13>> Right on cue.
14:14>> [laughter] >> That's good.
14:16Yeah, I feel like it's something everyone should be able to agree on actually for once.
14:21And I feel like we've been fighting take a little sidebar here for a second on this cuz it is prescient.
14:27I feel like for years they the elites have been separating us, the people, on left-right, you know?
14:38And how we view solutions to problems, right? And maybe we have some different ideas to solutions, but every everyone generally wants the same things, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if I were really dumbing it down, right?
14:49Health, family, things like that.
14:52The fight I I I saw someone comment this on a YouTube video a few weeks ago, and I've been using it ever since. I thought it was brilliant, so shout out to whoever you were, but they've been having this fight horizontally. The fight is vertical.
15:05The fight is vertical. There is a very very small select elite uber wealthy disgusting group of people who have decided that everyone else here is just a useful idiot for their peasant of ante strings to kind of control.
15:24>> Filler people. Filler people. Non-player characters.
15:26>> And it's time for the people all of us out here who they That's a great way to put it who are referred to us who are referred to as non-player characters to show them that that that's not how this works, you know? And what I hope is that in all this coming out because we've now had how many administrations fail to do this? Like five? Whatever it is, four or five administrations >> Just all of them.
15:51>> All of literally all of them.
15:53You know, I would hope that there is a real reckoning here.
15:57And I hope that in that reckoning the entire house doesn't burn down, but the rooms that, you know, the murders occurred in, so to speak, you know, they get burned down.
16:11>> Yeah.
16:11Yeah. Yeah.
16:13That's like the events of our lives with the beads on the string.
16:17>> Yeah.
16:17>> And we have to remember we're the string.
16:19>> That's right. That's a great way to put it.
16:21>> We are the string. And so, yeah, now I feel like fist bumping you.
16:26>> All right. Let's fist bump.
16:28>> Because that's a great definition of what I call the inspiracy or the love revolution.
16:32>> The love revolution.
16:33>> Yeah. Yeah. You can use love as this powerful strengthening force.
16:39>> Yeah.
16:39>> This is the inspiracy. This is the rising up inside yourself to say like, "Look what's coming through is >> Right.
16:47>> This is not going to happen anymore."
16:49>> Yes. And I think part of that is us having a better understanding of our different perspectives, our different lived experiences, our different ideas on life, and understanding the things that actually pull us all together, like I was saying, and then uniting around that. And you know, if you could take We were talking about the line between evil and good, and, you know, that being like a part of meaning of life earlier. If you could take the very evil that is this situation, that you can't change what happened, As much as you'd love to, can't change what happened. But now be able to use what has happened
17:23for some good to change the future in a in a great way, then I don't want to call it worth it or anything like that. Please don't mishear me, but do the best with what you have as you can, and let's see how we do with that, you know?
17:37>> is the fertilizer. Yeah, and so I totally agree. We have to move into a redemptive narrative, and that's the big switch. So, we've been in condemnation narrative forever and ever.
17:47And it keeps us in this place where we, you know, we're racing against China, which has you know, such a different way of thinking.
17:55>> Yes.
17:55>> And and the things that we have here in this country, the thing that to me that makes it so special is we're about the diversity. We're about like you think differently than I do.
18:08That's the good stuff. We're not supposed to be controlled by the state in that. We're supposed to be able to say what we think, and that's the power.
18:16And so, to me, the the world thinks that these wealthy men when you read the Epstein files and you see how people were flirting with him. Like you see like Bill Clinton flirting. You see the the flirtation of because it's this powerful >> Yes, that's what it is. It's power.
18:33>> It's power. It's like flirting for power.
18:36Or Alan, like you were saying, flirting.
18:38Like basically, "Oh, you and your people. I'll bring my wife." And this, you know, currying favor with the devil essentially kind of thing, right?
18:48When you see that, you say, "Okay, just let's talk about what's going on in Epstein's mind."
18:54He's very, very powerful, according to the world. He has all this money, according to the world.
19:01But he doesn't feel powerful.
19:03Because if he did, would he behave in this way? Would he have people curry favor with him? You see what I'm saying?
19:10There's a hole in that bucket.
19:12>> He's the kid from Coney Island who came from nothing and was told he couldn't run in these crews and said, "I'll [ __ ] show you."
19:19and also happen to have a sickness with it that then was used as a skill for bad to get intelligence on people and [ __ ] them over.
19:25>> Yeah, well said.
19:27>> Yeah.
19:27>> And I think there's a similar story for every kind of bully that's out there.
19:30>> I agree.
19:31>> The ones we think are powerful, they don't feel powerful and that's why.
19:35>> That's it. That's it. Real quick, Julia, can I just use the bathroom? We'll be right back.
19:39>> Can you? You're asking me? You can use your own bathroom?
19:41>> I'm going to use [laughter] the bathroom. All right.
19:42>> We'll be right back.
19:44>> You know what I was thinking about earlier, like 30 minutes ago when we were talking about ideas, I forgot to bring it up. You ever hear Rick Rubin talk about, and I'll definitely kind of mess up the way he phrased it, it was probably better, but talk about like when the universe wants something to happen, like when you're working on something creatively so hard and like so locked in and the pieces start coming together and then you put together this part, maybe you're making a song, you put together this vocal right here and then you come up with the 808 over here and then suddenly you're like, "Ooh, I could do a
20:16guitar." And the second you put something in there, it just happens to line up perfectly and timed like it was meant to be.
20:24>> Yes.
20:25>> What is that?
20:26>> I know.
20:28I mean, I I mean, I don't know.
20:30>> [laughter] >> I mean, like I know how that is.
20:32>> I've experienced it plenty of times creating stuff and editing things and I'm like, "Oh my god." And then every time something great happens afterwards.
20:40>> Yeah.
20:40>> Like you put it out and people feel it and they're like, "Yes."
20:43>> So the the guy So I that was my experience when I was writing my book recently, it just came to me and I would just write a chapter and it just came out and that was like, "Boom." Right? It just wrote itself, which isn't always my experience, but uh so Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, that guy, um who's a researcher, I think he was at University of Chicago, he called it flow.
21:03This idea of being in the flow, but it when you were talking about it so passionately, it made me want to know like do you did you did you did you ever work on music?
21:13>> So, in the editing that I would do, I did that. And whenever I talk, like our friend Mikey Condolences, a brilliant musician, whenever I talk with guys like that, they're like, "You're a musician, right?" I'm like, "No."
21:23>> Yeah.
21:24>> They're like, "Well, you're not." I'm like, "I know. Like in another life, I really should have been. It's just like some things that happened."
21:30>> very auditory.
21:31>> I feel music very viscerally. I know I know I can't explain it in words, but like the only reason I exist, the only reason this show exists, is because when no one was making shorts of podcasts, I did it, and I like invented how to do it. And I would go crazy viral, but I would spend I have some OCD myself. I would spend on a 33-second clip, I'd spend 35 hours on it. And I get every single cut perfectly. I would re-engineer songs.
22:00Like I remember taking that song with Pop Smoke and Dua Lipa for a 27 and 1/2 second clip for Andrew Bustamante back in May 2022, where like the the song was called Demeanor.
22:15And there would there was like I want to say four-second bars on it. I don't even think [clears throat] I measured what the bars were. I could just feel where it was.
22:22To where it would change to too many layers of music that would drown out the words for what I was doing on the instrumental at like the 16-second, 17-second mark. So, like I took bars from the third verse and put it on the end of the chorus to make it loop so that it would end on like a perfect uptone going into a down. So, it's like satisfying.
22:45>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
22:45>> And it's like if my music producer friends watch me do this, they'd be like, "That was like painful to watch the tools you're using to do this." But they'd be like, "Wow, it worked." You know?
22:55>> So, there's like something there, but no, like I I have sat with guys who are brilliant musicians, play multiple multiple different instruments and and can feel things and actually put it to work and it's like the most I I just I'd love sitting there watching it. It's the most beautiful thing to see.
23:11>> Yeah, so what it makes me think of the way you describe it is um something that I haven't thought of before and so I'm excited about this idea.
23:19>> This is fun.
23:20>> That's good.
23:21>> [laughter] >> Let's go with it.
23:21>> It's very good. Um cuz you said I would be teaching you but I think you're teaching me in the same deal.
23:28>> I got to get that on the end. I'm going to let's roll that right there.
23:30[laughter] Tell my dad I'm not a loser. Let's go.
23:35>> I'm sure your dad doesn't think you're a loser.
23:37>> I'm a loser.
23:37>> [gasps] >> He's a fan.
23:38>> So there's this I'm going to use some props.
23:40>> Sure.
23:40>> Uh so we have these two water glasses.
23:42>> Okay.
23:43>> There's a way of thinking about time where everything that happens as an event is equal in its status, you know, little butterfly flutters its wings is equivalent to the World Trade Center's being bombed or whatever or being run into by airplane.
23:57Another way to think about time is there's these landmark events that kind of are going to happen and there's other events that are optional. So like this is >> Optional.
24:06>> Like if you think about the future like if let's say it's before 9/11. It's the day before 9/11.
24:14All these people are having dreams about something happening and people are having like the just a ridiculous number of people are having these experiences of >> [sighs] >> planes going into buildings or all sorts of things, right? My sister, an artist, she paints a picture of planes going to a building and building two buildings the fire breaking out of the building and dollar sign in the corner and a guy with a with a turban on. She's like, I happened to paint this. I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
24:37>> [laughter] >> So it's like, right? But there are plenty of people who have frank precognitions of 9/11. So it feels like it sort of exists out there as a landmark in time. Like it's going to happen. So imagine this is 9/11.
24:51And here's um this is uh the end of the Berlin Wall. The fall of the Berlin >> So, for people listening not watching, I just want to say Julia's pointing to the red cup is 9/11.
25:04>> Yeah, but there's some people just on audio.
25:06>> And then a water glass right next to it is the Berlin Wall.
25:09>> Okay.
25:10So, the Berlin Wall falls, and then the idea of this this sort of theory of time is that this falls, that has to happen.
25:17But, how we get as a world from the Berlin Wall falling falling to 9/11 is up to us. It's like if you had the you know, I don't know, the Sears Tower in Chicago and Millennium Park, you could go many different ways between those two things.
25:31>> Yes.
25:31>> And none of those are set in stone. But, these landmarks are set in stone. So, what it made me think about I know this sounds like it doesn't relate at all >> No, it's great. Keep going.
25:39>> But, what it made me think of when you were talking with such passion about that I know that experience where it all comes together and it's like, I don't know where this is coming from is that you're what you're what what you are being drawn towards is one of those landmarks. So, your demeanor clip is one of those landmarks.
25:56>> Yeah.
25:57>> It's like and who knows you use shitty tools to make it, but it doesn't matter because it exists sort of in space-time as a thing, right? And and so that when you ride that creativity train and you're you're like it feels exciting cuz you're getting close to the landmark because you really are. But, you're doing it in your own way.
26:18>> Yeah.
26:18>> You know?
26:19>> But, it's important the example you're using here, too, because you used two world events, right? So, Berlin what Were you saying Berlin Wall when it came down or when it when it came down? Right. Positive event. 9/11, negative event. Right. So, the butterflies are flapping their wings of a bunch of different things that we make choices on at a micro level and macro levels humanity between causes something like that. And then on a more simple, personal, beautiful scale, if you're looking at just a creative idea, you do this thing, you do that thing, you do that thing, you fail at this, you do good at this, you fail at this, you
26:51do good at that, and then essentially you land on this thing that's like, "Oh, wow, that changed everything for me."
26:56>> Right. It's almost like there's a gravitational field around the thing, and it's pulling you in from wherever you are. It doesn't have to worry about where you are, you're going to get pulled in by the field. Kind of like this. It's going to happen. And when you get close, there's all these sort of senses of like something feels different, etc.
27:12>> Gives me chills because it could be both positive and negative.
27:15>> Gives me chills, too.
27:17So, you don't think I want to make sure I'm not misunderstanding some of it, too.
27:24You're not saying the future is predetermined the way I am interpreting it. You're saying the future has a bunch of predetermined possibilities, and the way that we act on the road there is what determines those possibilities.
27:40Sorry if that was a little too meta.
27:41>> No, no, no, it wasn't. No, no, I just I got distracted by thought in the middle.
27:45Can you say it again?
27:47>> So, the future is not predetermined, but there are a bunch of what you might call predetermined possibilities, could be infinite, >> Yeah.
27:57>> that exist that our actions collectively on the road there end up deciding which it's going to be.
28:05>> Oh, that's interesting. I'm not saying that, but I think that's that could be true.
28:10>> Okay.
28:10>> What I What I What this would suggest is that um these are sort of predetermined. Like it's almost like there's the rules of the game, and there's, you know, this is that bear is going to jump out of the cave at the particular time. That is going to happen. And it's how you manage that that affects, you know, the way the game ends up going.
28:35>> Right.
28:35>> But that the key thing is that there's not just one person in the game.
28:39Like in this In the story of the creativity thing, you're creating something that exists in the world as something that affects other people.
28:48>> Yes.
28:48>> It's not just like, oh, I made this in my bathtub and now I'm going to run it down the drain.
28:52>> And never shared it, right?
28:54>> Yeah. And so, that's the nature of these things is they affect people.
28:59>> Mhm.
28:59>> And so, anything that affects people has has this kind of power and it's not just you who's doing it even because you're working with a team. Like, right?
29:09I mean, >> At the time I was excuse me.
29:12>> Yeah, but you're not the same person as Dua Lipa.
29:15>> Right. [gasps] I like how you think. That's right.
29:18>> [laughter] >> That's right.
29:19>> So, you needed her to exist. That's part of your team, you see? So, the team is extended.
29:23>> Absolutely right.
29:24>> Right. And so, I that So, I think that we tend to think of the unit of success as the single individual and the single lifetime.
29:33>> Mhm.
29:34>> And that is sort of a tragedy of modern life cuz it has reinforced that. Like, yes, you can, you know, get your Amazon delivery and you can, you know, live in your house and you could be okay and work from home and it feels like the unit of success is your lifetime and this individual person cuz that's the story that you're exposed to and it feels like you don't need all these other people. You don't realize who's on your team.
30:00>> Yeah, they all caused that, right?
30:01>> Yeah, the Amazon driver and the guy in the rainforest who picked the fruit that you just ordered from Amazon or whatever it is, right?
30:06>> Someone delivered this mic.
30:07>> Yeah, exactly and made it.
30:09>> Yep.
30:09>> Yeah.
30:10And this table. And so, >> I made this table.
30:13>> You did?
30:14>> I swear to god. Me and Danny Jones.
30:16Yeah.
30:16>> Did Jim Gaffigan help you?
30:18>> No. Why?
30:19>> Cuz it's you know, Jim Gaffigan does >> I'm familiar with who he is.
30:22>> Yeah.
30:23Does Isn't he like a real Who am I thinking of? Am I thinking of the guy >> I have no >> Who's the guy on Parks and Rec who does the woodwork?
30:30>> I definitely don't know that. Can we Google that, Thieve?
30:33>> He has this whole woodwork shop and like when he's >> Mhm.
30:36>> Like, he's like very successful woodworker but also is this amazing comedian.
30:40>> No, Danny Jones >> Nick Offerman.
30:42>> I know who that is. He's great.
30:43>> Yeah, yeah.
30:44>> Yeah, now >> Danny Jones and me went to Home Depot and then came here and built this sucker right in here.
30:49>> Right. So, then you had the help of all the Home Depot people and everyone all the trees and everything. So, it it's um it's acknowledging that this area around the landmark is filled with other people and other lifetimes.
31:03In other words, like your children are going to, you know, be working towards similar goals as you, probably.
31:11In terms of good in the world.
31:12>> As long as they do what they want to do.
31:14>> Yeah, but in in a meta level, in terms of good in the world, they probably will.
31:20And cross your fingers.
31:21>> [laughter] >> I definitely hope so.
31:22>> Yeah, and and they're in there, too. And so, we I think as a culture we need to get back to this idea of it's not just my little life.
31:31>> Yes.
31:32>> You know?
31:32>> Yeah.
31:34That's a great point. Well, I had put a bookmark in what you were saying about remote viewing cuz we're talking a lot about the psychic stuff.
31:40>> remote viewing.
31:41>> So, you mentioned just very casually, right there I might add, that you're like, "Yeah, I've done some remote viewing myself."
31:48So, I guess the first question is, and by the way, for people who aren't familiar with what remote viewing is, I'll have you explain that in a second, but after you explain that, the first question would be when did you first have exposure to what remote viewing was and what was the nature of that?
32:05>> So, you know, because I don't know what we were doing in those rooms that I would go in and dread in the sore thing, it's possible that was my first exposure to remote viewing. I have a feeling that it might have been.
32:20Um my first sort of conscious waking choice, my own intention to be exposed to it was when I was writing this book, The Premonition Code with Theresa Cheung.
32:30>> Okay.
32:30>> And I felt like I didn't know I wanted to train people in the book how to do precognition, and the only way I thought that could work would be if I trained them to do precognitive remote viewing.
32:41So, that's remote viewing where the answer is in the future. And what you're trying to Remote viewing is, by the way, um getting information about about anything that's distant in space and or time.
32:54>> Mhm.
32:55>> So, um it's not the same as like sketching this cup because it's right here right now, right? But, it might be the same as sketching this cup if I tried to sketch it yesterday and I asked myself try to draw the things that'll be on the table when you talk to Julian Dory, right?
33:09>> Right.
33:10>> So, that's precognitive remote viewing that if I had done that I didn't. Um >> That's good. Yeah, that would have freaked me out.
33:16>> Yeah, okay.
33:17>> [laughter] >> Um so, remote viewing was is a name that's given to like a mix of psychic capacities that includes precognition, telepathy, clairvoyance, um I think a little bit of psychokinesis thrown in there. Some people throw in some like mediumship capacities.
33:37So, it But, the intelligence community {slash} um defense intelligence uh community created the name remote viewing for it along with Ingo Swann. Or like maybe Ingo Swann created it. He was a >> Project Stargate and all that.
33:52>> Yeah, yeah, all that stuff. You probably talked about that before, right?
33:55>> A little bit. Not as much as you would think.
33:57>> Yeah.
33:58>> we should cover a little more cuz it's so fascinating.
34:00>> Yeah, so Ingo Swann was this New York artist, gay guy, and the CIA start was started Project Stargate and ended it and they started it >> And ended it >> in 1978 and ended it in 1995.
34:14Um >> It was so successful that they decided to walk out walk off on top.
34:19>> Well, what's funny about their ending, the document that ended it that was commissioned by Congress, was that at least five times, four [snorts] or five, I think it's five times in there they say, well, we don't know about this remote viewing stuff, but precognition sure seems to work.
34:33>> [clears throat] [laughter] >> Tomato, tomato.
34:37>> That can be useful.
34:39Um So, yeah, I Yeah. So, anyway, I know some of the folks who who were some of the original remote viewing guys on the >> Like Joe McMoneagle?
34:50>> Like Joe, he's wonderful. You should have him on. Um >> I'd love to.
34:53>> Yeah, you should. Uh especially cuz he's just like he jumped out of so many helicopters. He's got such a bad back.
35:00It's hard for him.
35:01>> Yeah.
35:01>> So, it would be great to have him on.
35:03>> Yeah, yeah.
35:03>> Um Paul Smith, another great guy.
35:07And both of them I think still teach remote viewing.
35:11And >> How do you teach remote viewing? What is this like >> Yeah, so I was going to >> who are very skeptical out there. Like what's the science of how you would teach it and how it even works in your brain?
35:22>> Okay, there is no science of how to teach it.
35:24>> Okay.
35:25>> Period. I mean, like people just try different things. And the best I shouldn't say no science.
35:32Um >> I'd be like, "Fucking look at it.
35:34>> [laughter] >> You can't see it? Come on."
35:38>> Ingo Ingo was very precise about he how he taught it to his people that he was contracted to teach it to.
35:45Um But everyone teaches it differently. I teach it differently.
35:50Um But I don't think it's been well studied. It's like many of these things.
35:55I You know, the intelligence community does this just like every other organization, right? They they find something that works and they're like, "That's how we're doing it."
36:05>> Mhm.
36:05>> And so, there's no continuous improvement or science of it.
36:08Right? Which is a big problem.
36:10>> That we know of publicly, though.
36:13>> That we know of publicly.
36:14>> Right.
36:14>> Right.
36:15>> Sometimes.
36:16>> Yeah.
36:17>> really be looking at it back there and being like, "Yeah, now we're >> That's all we're doing.
36:21>> anything more on it." [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, they may.
36:24>> Yeah.
36:24>> But from the outside, um it appears that um, you know, this is the best they've got. Now, when I first started learning about the intelligence community, I assumed that everything that they would put out to the outside was like the worst just to make them look really bad.
36:37Like, "Oh, yeah, we only know how to do this." But then they really know how to do zippy amazing things.
36:40>> Mhm.
36:41>> But I really think a lot of the time I'm wrong and they're really behind where I thought they were.
36:47>> Really? What gives you that idea?
36:49>> Because I talked to >> in '91.
36:53>> Yeah, but then then where did it get them?
36:55>> Well, >> [laughter] >> I don't know. Have you seen some of these dolphins? I don't know. I'm just saying.
37:00They swim pretty far, too.
37:02>> I don't know. They tried a lot of things. But, um, no, what where where that comes from is I I read this document that a my my friend that I was introduced to, uh, probably the most influential person I know in the intelligence community, Carmen Medina. She used to be the deputy director of CIA's, uh, analysis analytic directorate.
37:22And, um, I said, you know, I read this document that you worked on about, if it was a public document, about behavioral analysis, like how people work and how we can do analysis to understand social behavior.
37:37And I said it just seemed remedial.
37:40Like, everything you're saying in there is something that would occur to me maybe 10 years ago.
37:46And is this really the state of the art?
37:47And she's like, "Yep." And I'm like, "Are you sure you're not saying this [ __ ] to like make people think you're stupid and you're not really doing these other things?" And she's like, "Nope."
37:56And I believe her because she's like an outspoken advocate. She's spent her career trying to get the intelligence community to to get more technologically advanced.
38:07>> Yeah, I I always think about the compartmentalization aspect of it, though, too.
38:11>> Yeah.
38:11>> Cuz it's like, you can look at the Pentagon, right?
38:15From guys that I've talked to, some of which I think they say is just [ __ ] PR and other things. I'm like, "Ah, maybe there's something there." One thing that is a common thread that totally makes sense is how, you know, they'll put four guys in a skiff to work on this one thing over here.
38:31>> Yeah.
38:31>> And then four guys over there to work on this. And even like the direct the the defense the head of defense the secretary of defense doesn't even know what's going on in like five of these places.
38:40>> Yeah. No, I understand. I mean, I I get it. And also she was talking about analysis, which is way different than operations.
38:47>> Yeah.
38:48>> So, like maybe in in analysis they really are behind the times cuz they hire a bunch of lawyers and stuff.
38:53>> Or they don't feed them what they need to be able to do their job to the 100%, you know what I mean?
38:58>> Yeah, maybe.
38:59>> Like you need information to be able to analyze.
39:01>> Right.
39:02>> Right?
39:02>> So, yeah. No. So, I don't know with all those things. But the Stargate program was an attempt to meet um Russia basically halfway. They were They were creating psychic spies that could get information without leaving the room, which is a great way to spy.
39:20>> Cuz you know Russia was.
39:21>> Yeah. And so, or at least we decided they were, but it turns out they were.
39:26Um and and have ever since. They didn't end their program.
39:30Um it's a great way to get information if you can. You don't you know, you're not risking any lives.
39:35>> Yeah.
39:36>> And so, we we ended up starting that in the late '70s. And that goes along the same sort of time frame as SORGATE. I think it's really interesting that Stargate and SORGATE are only one letter difference. But that could just be my conspiracy brain thinking.
39:51Or not. So.
39:52>> don't think so.
39:53>> Yeah.
39:53>> I mean, they were >> They were doing goofy [ __ ] >> Doing goofy [ __ ] >> MK Ultra and stuff. So.
39:58>> Yeah.
39:59>> [laughter] >> Yeah.
40:00Yeah.
40:01So.
40:03Um And it was very successful.
40:09It was a successful program that um and then they got declassified in 1995.
40:15And then people went around and starting to train people to do it.
40:19And >> everyone's capable of doing it?
40:22>> I think that the the way that people teach people remote viewing now, um, everyone's capable of capable 95% of people are capable of doing it to some extent. It's kind of like musical ability. 95% of people can carry a tune or hum hum a song.
40:41Right?
40:41>> [clears throat] >> Uh, or follow a rhythm, clap to a song.
40:45Um, I think there's about 5% of people who are just what they call a-music.
40:49They just can't. They just don't got it.
40:52>> Yeah.
40:52>> And I think that's the same here. I think it's about the same distribution.
40:55I think about 5% of people just don't have it.
40:57>> But saying 95% of people may have the ability to see something that is in a different time and space.
41:04>> Perceive something. I wouldn't call it seeing cuz it's usually in your mind's eye or in your mind's ear. Um, so yeah, and I think that the training helps because it's organizing you to pay attention to these sort of intuitions that come up that are you know, we usually dismiss. Like, I don't know, I just thought of my mother, I don't know why, kind of thing.
41:26Um, so it it can help with that.
41:30But it really helps if you have a gift.
41:32So that the training can really help you organize things if you already have a gift. And I think just like music about 5 to 15% of people are really gifted at this stuff.
41:41>> What goes into being gifted? We talked about one example of say non-verbal autistic kids, but you know, for someone who's not verbal, who who's not a non-verbal autistic, and you know, could be my next door neighbor. What do you find makes them more gifted or predisposed to being more gifted to have some psychic abilities, if you will?
42:00>> So there's there's two things or two things that I believe that we know about.
42:06Um, one is well, one I know that we know about because it's from my own work. The other I I believe the data.
42:14Uh there's a set something called openness, which is a psychological construct. Uh have you heard of like the big five inventory personality test?
42:22>> Yes.
42:23>> Yes.
42:24>> Yes, someone talked about that on the podcast.
42:25>> Yeah, it spells ocean. Openness, yes, conscientiousness, extraversion, agreeableness, and neuroticism. So, these are the five sort of factors that have been considered like ooh they're they'll just If you know all these, you can understand someone's personality.
42:40Not really, but like that's how people think about it. So, there's something called openness, which is your ability to like you're very open. I'm very open.
42:49The ability to get new ideas and not immediately reject them.
42:53>> Yeah.
42:54>> So, that's one that's pretty clearly related to this.
42:58Another is your your ability to feel unconditional love. And the reason I know that is I started studying that because um people who I taught remote viewing to back in when I was teaching remote viewing, and then remote viewers that I talked to had done it for a long time, they all have this sort of spiritual sense, and it's it's they don't usually like to talk about it. It's can sound woo. Like Like you're not already woo enough as a remote viewer, and now >> I'm not worried about that. What does this mean?
43:27>> Well, this is this feeling of this is feeling of >> [sighs and gasps] >> all is one. Like they've like they they sort of sense this love and this information substrate. They sort of sense like like everything is proceeding as it is meant to be even if we don't understand the plan.
43:48>> Are they is this from them reaching some form of I don't know if we'd be described this way, but this is the way I'm picturing it, some sort of meditative state that allows them to access say a spiritual realm?
44:02>> When you do remote viewing, you however you can, you get into a state where you can access this information. So, some trainer will say the best way to do it is meditation.
44:15Another trainer says listen to loud rock and roll on your headphones. Another trainer says dance, do tai chi. So, different trainers will tell you to do it in different ways. But the best advice is find the way that allows you to access this information.
44:29And then go to that way. Do that thing.
44:32Right? Because for each person it'll be different. So, really training remote viewing in my view is about just getting a student to practice.
44:40Because the more they practice they're more they're going to see okay this didn't work. I was doing things this way. This I was calming down. I need to get more excited. I was getting excited.
44:47I need to calm down. And so, the student needs to figure out through trial and error how to get there because no one else really knows. But when they figure out how to get there, then they're in that place you were talking about before where the creativity they're they're next to something.
45:04They're the gravitational field of the target, if you will, which is the thing that you're trying to describe, pulls you in and you feel mhm okay, I feel like I'm on target. It's almost like, you know, that those I love docking videos.
45:19>> Docking videos?
45:20>> Like space videos like Apollo >> They're so cool. Yeah.
45:24>> Like how you think it's not going to go and then it goes, you know.
45:27>> stuff, yeah.
45:27>> Yeah, it feels like that. So, that puts you in this space of like oneness or something. This feeling of like rightness, like coming home.
45:39>> Mhm.
45:40>> And then people would talk about that and how much less reactive and less dramatic their life has been since they've continued to practice remote viewing. So, I decided to study like maybe if you actually just ask people how much unconditional love they're feeling you can find out what that how this is related to their accuracy.
45:59>> That's so yeah, can we dig into that more cuz you said that a few seconds ago? Unconditional It's just not something that I would have associated with the ability to have remote viewing.
46:08So, when you say people's unconditional love, how do you even determine how someone defines that for themselves?
46:15>> Okay, so we talked about universal love being >> which connects in this universal information substrate.
46:21>> That's external to a person. That's like out there, right? A force of [snorts] nature, whatever you want to call it.
46:27The way things are.
46:28Unconditional love is the human response to that connection.
46:32That's how I'm defining it. So, what unconditional love feels like to a human, and this is an emotional feeling, is I can love others and feel loved by others and myself.
46:46I can love and feel loved without anything needing to change.
46:52There's no conditions at all.
46:56>> Mhm.
46:57>> And so, that's the feeling that people were having when they were nearing the target, and that I would have, too. I would notice it. It's like, oh, I There's There's nothing needs to change.
47:07And the target could be you're trying to look into a perpetrator for someone's murder, right? Like, it's not like it's not like it's always like sunshine.
47:16It's often often not sunshine, right?
47:20But, there's this feeling of being on target that has nothing to do with what the target is. And that tells you That's a feeling of unconditional love. Nothing needs to change. I love everything exactly as it is. Let's just report what it is.
47:36And so, I asked people to just rank, before they did a precognitive remote viewing task, just Here's a definition of unconditional love. Rank how you're feeling right now >> Mhm.
47:47>> relative to this definition. And then I split people into two groups, high and low. Are they feeling high unconditional love and low?
47:54And you could see in their results, in terms of accuracy, statistically significant difference between the ones who were high, who were better than the and then the ones who were low were at chance.
48:04>> How would you score someone as low? What kinds of things would you be looking for in the first >> I just made up a survey that says, "Here's a definition of unconditional love. How do you How much do you feel this Excuse me. How much do you feel this towards yourself, towards stranger, towards family and friends, towards the device on which you're taking the survey, right? And And so you There's just four four or five questions. And um They was all self-report.
48:32So, they could lie and say, "Oh, I'm feeling love." or whatever. But, their self-report of love correlated with their accuracy.
48:42So, in other words, if they lied, then maybe lying about feeling unconditional love, you know, fake it until you make it.
48:48>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
48:50>> [gasps] >> Really helps. And then I did the experiment again. That first experiment was exploratory. It was an analysis that I hadn't planned on some old data.
48:57The second experiment was confirmatory, which means I planned the analysis cuz I had this result and then it I showed it again. So, now I'm pretty convinced that one of the training pieces ought to be learning to experience unconditional love so that you can have more accurate remote viewing. And I really I want to talk with special forces guys about this. I know you have a lot on your show.
49:18>> Yeah.
49:19>> Because, you know, being They're very interested in remote viewing in the general spidey sense thing because if you could figure out where a person is in a building that you're about to attack, right? It would be really nice to be able to go through those rooms and know exactly what's going on.
49:34>> Right. One thing I've had in my head while you're talking here though, I just want to clarify before you go on with the special forces example.
49:41From some of the conversations I've had with people talking about remote viewing who have some knowledge on things that have happened or have analyzed and and stuff like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that like when you remote view something accurately you get the perfect latitude and longitude coordinates of this exact rocket firing at this exact place or whatever. It's like you an accurate result may be you know, there's a drone attack coming >> Yeah.
50:07>> somewhere in the Islamabad area.
50:09>> Yeah.
50:10>> We don't know exactly where, but it's somewhere over there, so start looking at that airspace or something like that.
50:14>> Absolutely.
50:16>> But >> otherwise these guys would just be winning the lottery every time they remote viewed.
50:19>> Yeah.
50:20>> effectively.
50:20>> But that would be very helpful.
50:22>> Yeah.
50:22>> So like if if if if you got five remote viewers on this and they're sketching out the building uh before you do an attack the next day >> Mhm.
50:31>> and three of the five are showing a person in the lower right corner, you know, relative to the street.
50:37Um maybe you go there.
50:41You know, maybe that's a priority.
50:43>> So they're accessing something like we said that is not in their same time and space, but with the emphasis on time they can be seeing things that have yet to occur.
50:54>> Yes, that's precognitive remote viewing and it's the most in my view the most useful and it's been >> Yeah.
51:00>> [laughter] >> I'd say.
51:02>> I mean that's kind of the stuff you want to know is the future.
51:04I mean it's been used if you look at some of the declassified if you go to the CIA library and you look for at some of the declassified Stargate uh you just search for Stargate.
51:15You can find some declassified remote viewing sessions. So the transcripts you can learn a lot from them.
51:20>> Yeah.
51:20>> And one of them um suggests to me that this kind of precognitive remote viewing um has been used uh very actively.
51:32So um like back in the late '70s from the beginning.
51:38Uh it's when when remote viewers were being asked about an event that wouldn't occur for another 2 months.
51:43But they were specifically asked to go to that time and place.
51:49So, >> do you think that it's possible and this in some ways flies in the face of what you were saying 10 minutes ago about some of these intelligence people you talked to seem to be like, "What the [ __ ] We can't even figure this out. We We don't have enough information." But, do you think it's possible that within some of the compartmentalization structures that I talked about there have been powers utilized to already predetermine a future. And that could get really dense and dark, but from a 30,000-ft in the air view, do you think something like that has already possibly happened?
52:30>> Um I think that the predetermining the future is beyond our control.
52:35>> Mhm.
52:36>> I think that's above our pay grade. I think that we we pretend to think that we can do that. But, because of the way I think about the way the universe works with this information substrate sort of bubbling up and informing events and having these landmarks in time, it's more like there might be a little cadre of people um you know, about whom no one else knows, whose job is to figure out what the landmarks in time are.
53:01>> Mhm.
53:02>> Which may feel like predetermining a future, >> For sure.
53:06>> but is different than that. It's more like noticing what the landmarks are.
53:11>> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, we keep talking about this from like the trying to see the future perspective, but of course, like I always think about it like everyone else out there in the reverse as well and you think like, "Oh, would we be able to time travel >> Yeah.
53:24>> back?" And that's something I've always been obsessed with, but I remember like when I had Michio Kaku in in in May 2023, he was He was He was It was It was amazing to talk with him, really cool guy, but you know, when he talks about time travel, he was like, "If I went back and changed John Wilkes Booth on [snorts] April 14th, 1865, it would not change the future now. It would change another tributary of the river and another outcome of the time. So, what he was saying is, if we have time travel, we wouldn't even know it because it would be creating a new I'm going to put a term on it just to
54:01make it simple. A new layer of a {quote} {unquote} like multiverse kind of thing where another reality exists where John Wilkes Booth did not successfully kill Abraham Lincoln.
54:12>> Yeah.
54:12>> So, question being, if we have or if we could, better way to put it, figure out time travel, would it matter for the reality we're in?
54:23>> If we could figure out time travel?
54:25>> Yeah.
54:26>> Um I don't All right, I'm going to I'm I don't love the everywhere all at once interpretation of like this layered uh thing partly because it's so not parsimonious, which in the in science talk means it's just way too much [ __ ] going on.
54:42Like it's just it [clears throat] doesn't it's not pretty. Yeah.
54:44That's too much.
54:46Um so, but it may be true. Just be I mean, aesthetically, I don't like it.
54:50Could be true.
54:52I also notice that it is the most the the multiple world view or the many world view as is the Everett hypothesis in physics. This is this idea that you make a choice and now you've broken into another universes. You make another choice. You know, there's all these worlds, right?
55:09Um it's often used when physicists don't want to believe that there's retrocausality.
55:15>> Mhm.
55:16>> So, that they they often physicists really hate the idea that in that information could flow backwards in time and you could cause something in the past. And so, instead, they say, "Oh, well, you know, either you can as you you're as as in your example, but it makes different timelines >> Yes.
55:33>> or um you can't do that at all and what we have when we have experiments that suggest that things go backwards in time, really that's just different timelines going forward in a different way.
55:45And so I hear that bias and I think, you know, a really simple way to explain this stuff is just one timeline that has retrocausal effects happening.
55:58So we experience something and then later that event is influenced from the future or maybe as we're experiencing it it's being influenced from the future >> [snorts] >> or maybe before we experienced it it's influenced from the future.
56:13And notice I use the word influence and not change and that's because change means it was one thing and now is something else. But influence means like that it was always going to This was always going to be 9/11 but it wasn't always going to be two towers. There was just going to be one tower and then from the future turns out two towers was somehow important and so two towers happened, right? So it's um it feels to me the past is pretty malleable [snorts] and I don't mean changeable, I mean like influenceable from the future.
56:50And so I tell And so I tell people like if you want to influence something, everyone's pushing from the past. Like tomorrow I hope I do well on my final exam or whatever it is, right? You're pushing from the past.
57:03You're better off pulling from the future because it's very sparse. Fewer people have figured out that if you sort of put your mind in the future state, talk to your future self and say, "Hey, pull me forward towards the thing."
57:16that that actually works better. I I think it does.
57:18>> I think you're right about that.
57:20>> Why do you think I'm right about that?
57:21>> I think you're right about that because you can actually create a mindset that influences your future. Your thoughts become who you are. That's a very true thing. It's not woo-woo at all. I used to like kind of think, oh yeah, okay. It is absolutely true. There's science that proves it. I mentioned the the I forget the guy's name, Dr. Masaru Emoto or something like that. D, if we can pull it up. I mentioned that doctor who literally studied the way two groups of people talk to themselves impacted their cell the impacted them at a cellular level.
57:53>> He's the water guy, the water crystal guy.
57:56So, he is he the guy who literally takes pictures of >> Maybe?
58:00>> water and crystals and the different emotions? Like the Like people will think of I think this is this guy.
58:05People think of like peace and there's a water crystal. And people think of war.
58:09My only concern Is this that guy? Cuz my only concern about that is I think it's beautiful work, but also there's he has doesn't have controls.
58:17Like he picks It's almost artistic. Like he picks like, oh, this is a crystal that I'm going to, you know, I mean, you need to have a like a blinded process.
58:25Yeah, see?
58:27Water. Click on that one, the water one.
58:30The hidden messages on water.
58:33>> [laughter] >> I I'll have to I'll send you this actual experiment later that he did so you can check it from a scientific perspective and I'll share it with people as well once I get an answer from Julia on what that is. But there is something even before this. Yeah, he was like his research suggests that positive self-talk and intentions directly impact the body which is 60% water by creating harmonious energy similar to how loving words form beautiful ice crystals. His studies such as in the hidden messages in water showed that spoken words and gratitude structure water positively while negative language creates chaotic
59:05patterns. And it also matters the intentionality of what you're saying. If you just wake up and say, I'm going to say that I'm grateful for everything.
59:11Wow, I'm really grateful for everything.
59:13It [laughter] doesn't do anything because the emotion and the feeling of actual gratitude is not there.
59:17>> Yeah, it's the inside.
59:18>> performative.
59:19>> Yeah.
59:19>> If if you will. But either way, like the in when you look at a lot of other studies and different doctors, I guess they were doing it differently in this.
59:26There's something to that for sure.
59:28>> Well, for sure. So, the party says about positive self-talk and intentions affect your body.
59:34There's plenty of data on that.
59:36>> Yeah.
59:36>> His claim that it's through affecting water and resonance is his claim. And I would have to look at how he stakes his claim on that. Yeah. Okay, we'll look at that. But But there's no question that if you're if you sort of create a in your mind, all you have to do is, you know, create an imaginary version of yourself.
59:54>> and my brain.
59:54>> mind and in your brain. Um create an imaginary version of yourself that pulls you forward into where it is you want to go.
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