0:01The 1800s though, so I don't know, you might want to get get that out pretty soon. I like history here cuz like, dude, you're the guy taking on Rockefeller. Yeah. You're a little worried about your life?
0:12Uh no, not not too much. I think the Rockefellers kind of I don't know, you don't see them around as much anymore.
0:18You see them in emails. Yeah, true.
0:21Were they Were they in there? I've kind of Yeah. You really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Not the actual people. I haven't seen that yet, but like all the mentions of them were in the Epstein file. I saw that like the Rothschilds are kind of like the orchestrator of like they kind of synced up a lot of the people, yeah?
0:40That's what it looks like.
0:40>> you're you're the ESPN What was it?
0:43>> Oh, the last guy I had in was uh he was an ESPN basketball writer who fell into the Epstein story and went [ __ ] bonkers 5 years ago. Wrote the greatest thing ever, this guy Henry Abbott, and no one read it at the time, and now like I've been shouting it out, so people are like, "Holy This is a treasure treasure trove." Mhm. So, that was cool. Yeah, the Rockefellers, I mean, they're definitely they they get a lot of the the credit for the, you know, industrial model of education, but they built it upon I mean, we can get into all of the origins of it, but I mean, they built upon the whole Prussian model of education, and
1:17they're still very involved. I mean, the the Rockefeller you know, the their foundation is still heavily invested into local school board meetings, um trying to win local school board elections, very very involved.
1:31That's why we're going to definitely I I love the history of all this stuff, too, cuz by the way, your documentary awesome, man. Oh, thanks.
1:38>> one of those cuz this was a last-minute podcast, so I'm like, "Oh, we got Spencer coming in today. Let me take a look at this real quick." I'm sitting there like this, like googly-eyed watching the whole thing. You did an amazing job. So, we'll get into that, but it's funny when I have guys like you in here. I was telling you off camera, it's like a little bit full circle because I'm watching you on Impulsive in like 2018, 2019 and then like back engineering how to do all the equipment on a podcast going off about 10 to 15 shows. Impulsive is one of them and now you're like what's up fam? We want to go
2:09on your show. Like that's very very cool.
2:11>> Of course. Yeah, I've been watching you grow ever since too, man. It's cool to see behind the scenes. Yeah, it's there's not much, right?
2:17>> Yeah, you and Joey are cooking in here.
2:19I love it.
2:20>> That's right. I cook right there. I sleep right there.
2:22>> Literally cooking, yeah.
2:23>> And that's it. That's all it is. That's all it is. That's what it's about though. Yeah, you don't need much, man.
2:27You don't want to >> That's so cool. I love that about the stage of journalism that we're in and just the stage of entertainment and media that we're in. It's it's just getting to the point where it's so decentralized and decentralization is is key. I mean, we'll get into that with education and you know, we went down this centralized path where everything in society was moving more and more towards centralization and you know, we've seen through history. It's anytime we really drift into centralization of power, media, authority, schooling, it's not a good path.
2:58Doesn't end well. I I think you're right. I think the data supports that for sure and that was that was what I really took from the doc as well. Like you seem to be drawn on a lot of other themes like out obviously it's focused on the education system and how it got bastardized but like a lot of themes outside of it that are just like what the What are we doing here? But you left you left LA in 2019? 2019, yeah. Right before right right as COVID hit.
3:22>> Right. It's like right as uh the fences went up on the beach in Santa Monica. I was like I'm out. I'm gone. Good call. I I bought an airstream and just traveled the country. You bought an airstream?
3:34>> Yeah. Yeah, it was >> like that.
3:36>> was crazy. I mean, I had saved up from impulsive enough to like, you know, get the airstream and just start going and I I was kind of getting a little burnt out from the LA, you know, like influencer, media space and I wanted to do do something different. So um yeah, I left hit the hit the road for a couple years during COVID and then went full-time humanitarian in 2022. Wow. Where When on the road, where'd you go? All over the place. Bunch of national parks. Like I went up to the Redwoods for a while.
4:07Just went up to like Humble.
4:09Man, have you been? No.
4:10>> No.
4:11>> I've heard great things.
4:12>> gosh.
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4:41Masks?
4:42>> You didn't have to wear >> No, I didn't wear that. Yeah.
4:44I ditched those. It was crazy. I went to Zion National Park and they had shut down. It was like around the time when they were telling people don't go outside, which is crazy cuz it's It's like the had best thing you could possibly do. Like we found going inside and being in the AC was like the worst way to spread the virus. And so, I was in Zion National Park and there's supposed to be like 30,000 people and there was no one. It was a ghost It's like no one. I was driving through the National Park and there wasn't a single car. It was the trippiest thing I've ever experienced.
5:18>> That's kind of nice though, having a place like that to yourself. It's like you're just a speck out there in the world where things are simple. You don't have 40 news stations showing death counts on the side of the screen all day. You just get in touch with the outdoors. Like sounds simple, but it's the best medicine.
5:34>> Absolutely. It made me realize how much of it was a sci-op in the sense of, you know, just fear. It was all fear-based.
5:43And as information started to come out and show, you know, kids aren't as affected and it really started to show who was really the ones that were at risk and but then they just locked everyone down. You know, it's like that's another example of like a standardized approach, right? That was like the apex of a standardized system.
6:02Let's just throw a standardized solution at this problem and we see especially with education, oh my gosh, man, it's disastrous what what happened because of COVID with schooling.
6:12I mean, kids are still not recovered pre-pandemic academics. Like they're still I mean, 2 years behind.
6:19>> Yeah. And then you have the CDC reported one out of every five kids thought about killing themselves in 2023.
6:27One out of five?
6:28>> One out of five.
6:31Which is just And that's And that's like any kids like what? Like 10 to 18 or Yeah, I think it was that area. Yeah, it was like middle school, high school range, I believe the study.
6:42There's like 40 over 40% of kids right now are experiencing extreme feelings of sadness sadness or hopelessness.
6:53So, it's just I mean, we're living through right now a cataclysmic moment with mental health.
7:01Absolutely cataclysmic.
7:02>> What made you obviously you have this experience like a lot of us did where we see the pandemic is ass backwards. You get out in nature, you see it's really ass backwards once you're out there. But like you said, there's this whole theme of like, you know, centralization is causing all these problems, but then you end up honing in on the school system in particularly to do this documentary.
7:24What what made you choose that? Well, I was getting a ton of backlash online because I was just, you know, I'd got COVID very early and I was like, okay, that wasn't that bad. I was trying to be compassionate to, you know, other people, but then I started to realize you know, to what end? And I lost 80,000 followers because I was speaking out about the vaccine mandates. I was speaking out against when they when they when they started saying it's safe and effective.
7:50So, I grew up in Michigan and we grew up near Upjohn, which was bought by Pfizer, and they had a That was back in like 2009 when they had that huge $2 billion, you know, it was like the largest criminal settlement from a pharmaceutical company up to that point.
8:07I think it was 2009.
8:09>> And so, they were lying about some of their medications and some of their products. And so, that was like we had that in the back of our mind because we grew up Michigan is like a lot of pharmaceutical companies there. You have like Stryker Medical, you had Pfizer. Um Yeah, Michigan and right here in Jersey.
8:25They're all like an hour and a half away. Oh, yeah. All of them.
8:29Justice Yeah, Justice Department of Justice Department announces largest healthcare fraud settlement in history.
8:34Pfizer to pay $2.3 billion for fraudulent marketing. This is from September 2009. It's right on. Wow. So, I I had that in the back of my mind. And so, when they came out and they're like, "Hey, we Pfizer, we created this vaccine. It's 100% safe and effective."
8:49Instantly in my mind I was like, that's I just called it. And so, I was putting that out online. I was like, this is complete There's no chance. I mean, just use common sense. I mean, look at their data and their studies. It was a joke.
9:05But you look at I mean, just use common sense. You cannot do a long-term study on a product that just came out, right?
9:11So, I was like, "I don't know. I think this is going to this this is going to backfire. I think people that are going to get this are are probably going to get regretted."
9:19And then they started like pushing, you know, people to you know, get the vaccine or else you're going to lose your job and all these things that were just unconstitutional.
9:27So, I saw that. But to to answer your question, that was going on. I was getting a just an insane amount of negative backlash online. And so, I was like, you know what? let me just like focus on editing my film and I'd been working on it for it took me a decade to make this film.
9:44The one you just put out or all right, so this was on your mind for a long time.
9:48>> It was and so I finally just locked in.
9:50I was like, you know what, let me just lock in on this edit. Let me stop focusing on social media and just get this done.
9:56How did you end up in Hollywood in the first place or out in LA I should say?
10:00Cuz you were there for a little while, right? Yeah. Yeah, I moved out there like pretty much right after college. I was working with a guy named Bob Proctor in Toronto. He was in The Secret, the documentary The Secret, the old old guy with white hair. All law of attraction.
10:15>> clicking but I know The Secret.
10:16>> Yeah. Yeah, he was he was an OG and so I was working with him in Toronto and I it was a great job. I could work remote so I just moved to LA.
10:24And I was like learning about mindset, how to use your mind, you know, manifestation, all the all those things.
10:30And then I was out in LA and met Jake Paul.
10:34Um a mutual friend connected to a me to Jake and this is before he started his YouTube channel or anything. I think >> was he? Young. Maybe 17? Oh wow.
10:46>> 18 18 maybe somewhere in there.
10:48And so we we linked up. We did a video shoot in Arizona and then came back to to LA and he just needed help on videos so I started helping him and helping him like with the original Team 10 people.
11:04>> Yeah. Yeah, I remember that. It was what who else was in there? Justin Roberts?
11:08Was he in that? I think Justin was, yeah. Who the hell else?
11:12The Dobre Twins, my buddy Cade, Alyssa Violet. There's another girl I'm thinking of that I can't put her name right now. It's going to kill me.
11:22>> There was a lot. There was a lot of people coming in and out. Yeah, it was all New Hollywood. It was cool. It was it was like you know, old Hollywood hated it. Like they were pissed. So any chance they could like kind of try to tamp us down, they did, but it was cool.
11:36>> Didn't work. Didn't work. Digital world was going to happen, like it or not.
11:40It's just, you know, I never been out there, and people love talking about Hollywood with everything. It comes up all the time, but like I feel like they put a veil over the whole thing and make it all one thing, and I know it can't be like that. That said, there's a within there somewhere is a weird dark undercurrent of, I think it's probably looking at this from the outside, a combination of people who are just craving fame at all costs, and then the gatekeepers who can kind of control that even in the digital world sometimes. Mhm. That like, you know, it's it's why so many people online now from the outside look at it and go,
12:16"Damn, seems dark." Did you have any of that type of experience there at all?
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14:03celebrities and near that culture.
14:06Um but I did hear of like some really weird things. Like there was definitely some influencers. I'm not going to name names, but they would like get pulled into like sex parties and you know, that kind of stuff. So, and I would hear I'd hear some messed up stuff with, you know, like Nickelodeon, you know, videographers would also work on like in the porn industry and like weird crossovers like that. So, >> Yeah. but I stayed clear of all that. I was like, "I'm just going to focus on YouTube videos and working with influencers." So, >> Good move. Good move. Yeah, those Nickelodeon documentaries were crazy,
14:40bro.
14:41>> Yeah, I didn't get invited to Bohemian Grove, so.
14:44>> That's good.
14:44>> Yeah. That's good. So, you're checked off. You'd have You'd have like You'd have like a brand on you or something.
14:49Yeah, exactly.
14:49>> going to make you strip later, Chuck.
14:51So, don't worry. It's okay.
14:53But yeah, I mean, it's got to be as a videographer coming up, you know, that's the golden era to come up with with people who were basically like trailblazing.
15:02And including like the kind of stuff that we do here, essentially. You know what I mean? Like what an era. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, I got to like we had Mr. Beast on before he even was popping on YouTube. He had done a video where he said Logan Paul uh like a hundred thousand times.
15:18And so, we had him on the podcast and he came on and it was just like to see him get to where he's at now from from that.
15:26It was just like what?
15:28Could you see that though? Like when he's young and you're bringing him on because he did that video. Could you kind of see like this dude is he don't give up?
15:36I saw his mindset. I did not I couldn't fathom it being as big as it is now. No chance. It's Yeah. It's kind of he's built a [ __ ] empire.
15:47Big time. He's a personal business. Big time. He's like a Fortune 50 company.
15:52Yeah. Never seen anything like that.
15:54Yeah. But you decide to get out in 2019, go off, spend some time in the red woods. You're working on this documentary the whole time. So you're out there and then you're like I'm going to hone in on this and I'm going to break down the system. So where do you even begin with this cuz people would float around theories about what the real education system is online and I remember like 7-8 years ago I'm like ah there's no way that's real. And then like kind of like you, you get into the pandemic and you're like maybe there's something to that, you know, maybe this worker bee thing is real. Like obviously you had that moment
16:28even earlier than I did but like how do you even unravel that? Do you just go to the start and be like well, John D.
16:34Rockefeller anyway, let's go or is it more that we don't even know about?
16:38Well, for for me it started from my personal experience within public education. I always always kind of questioning things because from fifth grade going into sixth grade our school got rid of recess. They got rid of it?
16:50Rid of it completely and um which is common for schools Did you go to a public school? No. Okay. I went to a private school.
16:58>> So you had recess the whole time? until middle school until the end of middle school. Okay. So you got it in middle school. Yeah. Yeah, I I just started running into a lot of issues within school with authority, you know, I just felt like it was just this experience where I was trying to be molded and shaped and it was about conformity and obedience and and just following orders kind of like, you know, I I was really passionate about film but school didn't seem to really care about my gifts. It was like, "Nope, focus on these tests." So, that kind of planted the seed. I was always questioning it in
17:33the back of my mind and then I went to college, got in a bunch of debt. I ended up dropping out my senior year, still had the debt to pay off, but I got a really good job and I just found success outside of the system, outside of the like the traditional curve. So, it made me start to question things and then like I told you I was working with Bob Proctor and that was the first time that I actually heard the definition of education, like what it actually meant.
17:56And that really like a light bulb went off. So, the word education comes from the Latin word "educo" which means to draw out from or to develop from within.
18:06And when I was looking back on the traditional public education system, I was like, it's kind of the exact opposite.
18:11>> Yeah. It's like, let's force information in.
18:14But education in itself is, "Hey, we're born with gifts. We have these gifts when we come here."
18:20Education is a process of bringing those out and sharing them with the world.
18:23Like that's what education actually means. So, then I started to realize, "Okay, there's a difference between schooling and education."
18:31And I'm just like a curious I've always been a curious kid and a curious person.
18:36So, I just started asking questions just like yourself. Like, "Hey, let's let's look into this. Like, how did how did we get here?"
18:41And that's when I started learning about, you know, the Committee of Ten in 1892 and um yeah, the General Education Board founded by Rockefeller in 1902 and >> Who was the Committee of Ten? The Committee of Ten was the NEA.
18:54Uh the NEA is now the largest labor union in the country. You saw in the film I go undercover in the NEA.
19:01But the NEA are really they're the architects of the the American education system. They created standards.
19:06They created the standardized curriculum and they uh enforced that.
19:11I think it dates back what? to 1857 if I'm not mistaken?
19:15>> pre-Civil War?
19:16>> Yeah, they've been here for a hot minute.
19:18Dude. And they, how they kind of rose up is in 18, so in 1852 is when the US has its very first compulsory schooling law.
19:31Meaning >> yeah.
19:33Meaning you have to send your kids to the public school.
19:36So before 1850s, education was decentralized. It was widely home-schooled, it was religious schools, and there was no government oversight. You know, the the word education isn't even mentioned in the Constitution. So we didn't have a Department of Education, we had no centralization of education whatsoever.
19:55Well, I didn't know, I actually had no idea about that until you said that.
19:59It's not in there at all. Yeah, no. This is I'm going to do another film and dive into this more of the the deeper stuff.
20:05The Death of Recess I really focused on kind of the Industrial Revolution, but the origin and story goes back, for sure. Yeah. You can give us a preview today, too, if you want.
20:14>> yeah, yeah. I'm not gatekeeping anything.
20:16>> Yeah. Yeah, so in 1852, well, I think if you understand the history, it's really empowering because you start to look around, you're like, "Oh, this all makes sense. This is like how it all happened."
20:25But um it all it all started from a guy named Horace Mann.
20:31He's the father of education. He's he's known as the father of American education.
20:35And Horace Mann, he was the very first Secretary of Education in the US in Massachusetts. So just for some context, yeah, there he is. There's Horace.
20:46So just for context >> [ __ ] He's got a pretty wild story. Um he was very aggressive at going against the uh religious, kind of like the Up until this point, the clergy, like the church, had really kind of run education. Mhm. Like school was just an extension of the church.
21:09And he was very much against that. Um because he had a pretty bad experience.
21:13I think when he was I want to say he was like 11 years old, his brother died while swimming in a river on Sunday.
21:21And at the funeral, the priest pulled up and was like, "Oh, he's in hell."
21:26What?
21:27>> He went to hell because he was not supposed to be swimming on the Sabbath.
21:31So, definitely had some religious trauma. Yeah, that'll piss you off. So, that messed with him big time and that was kind of like the inspiration for him to really attack the the church's dominance on on school.
21:45Um so, in 18, I believe it was 18 43, he went to Prussia.
21:55So, this is after he became this the the secretary of education in Massachusetts.
21:59He had he had orchestrated this common school movement, which was really like the first public schools. Mhm. Um and normal schools. Normal schools were like teacher training schools. So, this is where teachers were trained. He believed that education it it it should be like parents, they're not really knowledgeable on on education. They they they don't really know. Like the state should be the father of the child.
22:24And this was heavily opposed by the founding fathers. Like heavily opposed.
22:29Right, you had like Thomas Jefferson, you had, you know, I think it was like Benjamin Rush, John Adams. Like some of those OG founding fathers were like the the child should be it should be up to the parent.
22:41This new idea starts to emerge in the 1830s with the common school movement, where it's like, "Hey, actually let's train teachers. Let's make them state certified and then they're they're more equipped to teach, right?"
22:55So, it's all about like civic literacy and preparing kids for the industrial revolution, like creating workers.
23:02But still at this point schooling is not mandatory. It's not compulsory. So it's in 18 um What did I say? 1840 when he went to Prussia, I believe it was 1843. Mhm.
23:16And he goes to Prussia. He's with his wife on his honeymoon and he sees the Prussian system. It's like modern-day, you know, Germany area. Mhm. And it's a the Prussian empire was like the US empire of the world. They helped us in Well, I think they were on both sides of the Revolutionary War, actually. But yeah, like they were known as they would send military mercenaries around the world. Very Yeah, very forgotten little empire that existed for sure. Yeah. And they they came to be I don't know if you want to get into the the origins of the Prussian empire, but the king of Prussia after So Napoleon came in and basically
23:52kicked their ass in the Battle of Jena.
23:54I think it was like 1806 or something like that.
23:57And the Prussians got their asses beat.
24:01And the king in response to this is like, "Yo, we need a we need a centralized school system that's going to create obedient people that are going to follow orders. And we need a we need a unified military because we got our asses beat. And everybody was just kind of like independent thought and just doing their own thing."
24:20And so they created this just insanely, you know, strict, regimented education system. Centralized, you know, it's where the bells come from. Like you ring the bell, kids go from one class to the next. Standardized curriculum, everybody's learning the same thing. Um students went through they didn't learn lessons, they learned a drills. Like it was all about literally drilling information into these kids. It's like the [ __ ] Unsullied army.
24:46Yeah.
24:47>> uh Game of Thrones. You're right. Right.
24:48>> Just like follow orders and kill.
24:50>> Yeah. Let's go. Just obey. Yes. And so Horace Mann goes there and sees, you know, wow, this centralized education system has really created this powerful empire cuz the Prussian system after because of their education system became very powerful. They became like the world empire because of that.
25:08And so, when he was there and and multiple other reformers from America traveled and they checked it out.
25:13They're like, we should do this. Like, this is how we should do it.
25:17And so, Horace Mann comes back to the US and then in that's when by 1852, we implement the compulsory schooling laws.
25:25Um that that's the very first compulsory education law that exactly mirrored the Prussian model. So, he lobbied to bring Prussian education to Massachusetts.
25:34>> was a that was what I was going to ask.
25:35He was a lobbyist or something like that effectively. Yeah.
25:38>> Okay. Yeah, he was the the secretary of education and You know, you know what's so fascinating about that though? It's another example of like you have something very broken. In this case, he was looking at a system where well, the churches are just controlling and indoctrinating people according to their religious needs and as a constitutionalist, which is where he starts, separation of church and state should also mean separation of education.
26:01That's something a lot of people could say, all right, that makes sense. But then he goes completely the opposite way and says, not only that, but the state's going to control it. And it's like you have the equal but opposite reaction.
26:12Like, I just want the [ __ ] equilibrium right here. You know what I mean? Like, choice, let parents control the situation and not have any indoctrination happen.
26:20>> Yeah, and thankfully, that's kind of what's emerging right now, especially because of the pandemic. But just to give you a little snapshot from 1852 up until 1918, I believe Mississippi was the final state to get compulsory education. Mhm. But from 1852 to 1970, we effectively went from probably about 95% to 99% of the country was decentralized education, primarily homeschooled.
26:48To 1970, you have about 12,000 kids in the entire country are homeschooled. Woah. So, we literally flipped upside down. It's kind of like, you know, people living on the farm to living in the city, right? The Industrial Revolution just changed society night and day. Yes.
27:06>> It removed kids from the household, it removed fathers from the household, it put mothers to work. I mean, it just completely separated the nuclear family that, you know, the Commonwealth in the early United States was built upon.
27:19Do you think that was the point?
27:22That was the intention?
27:25It seems that way. Yeah. It seems that way. How about your thoughts?
27:29I think it I think it very well could be. Looking at it now, there's so many things I would have thought, like I said, like take for granted 7-8 years ago, that now I'm I'm looking at it and I just see the mountain of evidence on both sides and I'm like, Wait a minute, there's a lot more over here. Mhm. You know, if you ever watch like that old docu with some actors in it, whatever the hell they call that series, Men Who Built America. You ever see that?
27:53>> No. It's about all these guys. Starts with Vanderbilt. Great series, by the way, it's back in 2015. Starts with Vanderbilt, goes to like Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Mhm. um Rockefeller.
28:09I think Henry Ford is covered as well and you know, it's kind of like showing you all the amazing business achievements these guys had, which certainly they did, but what you're not seeing is kind of the trampling undercurrent of people Mhm. that they're base trampling over to get to that point. And you wonder if there's like that I always think about this.
28:33If there's that crossing point where someone one day, you know, they started somewhere, you're John Rockefeller, you start as a Christian guy and you found some oil and then suddenly you're like, oh [ __ ] we got a lot of oil.
28:44And one day you're looking around the mines or or at at fields and you're like, you know what?
28:48I'm above all these people. And you don't say it like that, but your mind goes shoo and now you're that guy and now it affects every decision you make.
28:57Mhm. You think that's common?
28:59>> what happened, yeah. There's evidence of that, you know, big time. I mean, Rockefeller had I believe 80 to 90% of the US's oil refining capabilities.
29:09And there's there's examples where there was worker protests and then he would buy like local newspapers and I I don't remember where it was, but he he bought like some local newspaper because I think his forces like killed like 20 some workers because they were protesting against the Rockefeller oil monopoly.
29:31>> Yeah, they killed them.
29:33I Those were the good old days. You could just kill people.
29:36>> just kill off the dissenting force.
29:39Wow. I don't remember where that where that was, but yeah, he was he had a he had a a locktight grip on things and clearly was about power. Clearly was about, you know, building his industry and his grip. Yep, there it is. You're right again. The events described referred to the Ludlow Massacre of April 20th, 1914 when the Rockefeller owned Colorado Fuel and Iron Company guards and the Colorado National Guard, well, at least they were teammates together, you know. You want you want to kill together, I guess.
30:10Attacked a tent colony of striking miners and their and their families, wow. Approximately 21 people were killed including miners, their wives and children.
30:22And then I think he bought the local newspaper, right? To like cover it up.
30:28That's so sinister, man.
30:30So, yeah, I think in order to get to that level of power you you you're you're definitely not thinking about the commonwealth, right?
30:40Like sharing, right? Some of those Christian family values of like treating your neighbor as you would treat yourself, right? So, that's where I think religion became a threat for a lot of these powerful elites because the religion, for its flaws like any system has, what it did have working very well was a strong family unit. Yes.
31:01>> keeping, you know, the biblical order is, you know, kind of undeniable, right? And you see that under attack in our society, you know, now more than ever with confusion over so many different genders and, you know, the the you know, or removing women from the house, you know, sending kids to daycare, women are going to work, men are going to work.
31:22And I'm not trying to vilify anything, you know, but when you look back at how it used to be, Yes.
31:28you know, it's it's it's very different.
31:30It's night and day different today than it was when our, you know, ancestors were first here.
31:36Yeah, it's an incentive structure, too.
31:38And that's what's really tough about it.
31:39What I mean by that is when people have to make a a financial decision as to whether or not to have a [ __ ] kid. One, the system's broken. And you point out so many of these great themes that we'll talk about in your documentary that have happened that are just like, whoa. Like, where how the [ __ ] do we get here? But what you're doing now explaining this history is it's really just slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly, slowly program, program, program. All of the sudden, Mhm. and that it feels like that's where we're at. If I could be positive for a minute, it also feels like there's, and in a good way, an
32:17inordinate number of people who are actually now like, whoa, tuned into this going, wait a minute, you know, politics aside, everything aside, just like, this is you come after kids, you come after, you know, this perfect thing that's brought into the world and you try to beat it down from day one, that's a red line for us. And now we can see it. They couldn't You think they knew Horace Mann was going around Prussia and being like, "Well, this seems like it works. I'll bring that back." No. Yeah.
32:44>> You know, you didn't What were you getting your newspaper by a horse back then? Yeah. You know? They had no idea what it was going to become.
32:51And yeah, to your point, first it's, you know, because of the COVID pandemic, we had 1.5 million families pull their kids out of the public school system. And those numbers have maintained.
33:00>> Wow.
33:01>> And we're projected to see another 5% decrease over the coming years. So, you're 100% spot on. Parents are waking up and they're realizing, "Maybe I don't want the government to raise my kids.
33:15Maybe I should take control of that."
33:18And we're starting to kind of see through the propaganda of, you know, home school kids are weird, you know, and all these different propaganda um methods that were used to scare people away from homeschooling. Think about this. So, in New York, actually, 1852, that first compulsory schooling law. In 1853, they start enforcing it.
33:38And anywhere you you had to enforce it, right? Because people weren't really sending their kids to schools. So, New York, there's this story where what they did is they had attendance officers. So, they'd have these guys, like probably like a Navy SEAL type dude, go knock on people's doors. And there's one case where a guy knocked on He went to 6,000 houses.
33:59And he brought 128 families to court that were refusing to go to the school.
34:06And they would face a $50 fine Back then. Yeah, back then, which is like $2,100 today.
34:12>> Yeah. So, that was what was going on.
34:14They literally made homeschooling your own kid, right? Raising your own kid, illegal in the United States.
34:21They made it illegal.
34:22175 years ago. Yeah.
34:26And we're recovering from that right now. So, that's the mass awakening, right? The the shift that I'm trying to help people understand is if you can take control of your child, if you could take control of raising your children, that's the most powerful thing you can do for the system, right?
34:40We see everything going on with the Epstein and you know, left and right.
34:44You see grooming from the left, too. The in the education system. You I mean, you see it in the film. It's it doesn't matter. It's it's two wings of the same bird. They Like you said, it's this federal centralized power that's the threat here, you know?
34:59You look at our taxation, you know, in like 1776, I think the average person in the Commonwealth was paying like 1 or 1.5% taxes.
35:08Today, the average person's paying 25 to 30%.
35:11>> Tommy G that. He's going to have another [ __ ] freak out. 1.5%?
35:15>> Yeah. Yeah, 1 1 to 1.5%. I mean, think about it. How many homeless people for that now?
35:20They're like, "Give us 3% Malaka. Let's go."
35:22>> Exactly.
35:23>> Oh my I mean, think about the the Boston Tea Party was over like, you know, 3% tax on on goods and it was about taxation without That shows the spirit that we have cooked into us is that we are strongly against centralized authority. Mhm. But we've just been duped. We've been duped into just sending our We all go to public schools. Let's tear apart the family. Let's just go through this system. Let's just obey authority.
35:49That's That's why we see all these crazy things happening in the world. So, that's why when I look at what's going on in the world, I'm like, I'm not that surprised. I understand why. I understand how we got here. We All over the world though, too. Big time. Yeah.
36:02Why all over the world? Cuz we've been talking about America, obviously, but other places as well. What makes you say that? In terms of Like chaos or >> why the chaos happens and why it's explainable.
36:14I I mean, you you see the same thing with the Soviet Union, you know, they they centralized authority, they centralized education.
36:20And um so it it doesn't matter if it's a communist country, if it's a capitalist country, the moment you centralize and you have state sanctioned or government sanctioned education, it's I think the moment the Soviet Union took control of education, it was 70 years until they collapsed. The moment that Nazi Germany mandated um Nazi the the Nazi takeover of the Prussian system, I think it was like 1939 the like Nazi education law.
36:49What We're talking five five six years until they're they fall?
36:53So, you see that kind of common trend.
36:55It's like as soon as you have a centralized authority come and try to capture a system, that's what I was saying, it doesn't lead to really great outcomes.
37:04Decentralization is always better. So, we're seeing a rise of that kind of all throughout the world. What happens when you hit them in other ways, though?
37:12Like you're talking about the education system, which should of course be top-of-mind, but again, your documentary also points out all these other things that are going on. Just some off the top of my head, you have power the most powerful lobbies like Big Pharma who are normalizing [ __ ] SSRIs if some kid has a boo-boo, you know, and telling families it's okay. You have obviously within the schools like the teaching systems, which are corrupted, and we'll talk about that more later, too. You have a society that you correctly point out had kids lose legitimately 2 years of social and interpersonal and true educational
37:52schooling in a way for whatever even that was worth because of the pandemic, and like it's easy for us to think about how much that affects, you know, kindergarteners through fifth graders, but I don't even buy that. I think if you were in any level of school from preschool through college, and you lost 2 years. We have Andreas sitting here who basically lost his senior year of college and freshman or senior year of high school freshman year of college.
38:16>> Junior and senior year, and then freshman year of college. Yeah, there you go. So, like there's no way that on a maybe certain individuals are resilient. You seem to be and like it works out, but on a percentage basis, you know, if you have your fingers on the strings like you're the puppet master and you're like, I just need to make sure that I kill off the spirit of 33% of society. You're going to be able to do it if you're costing 2 years across all those different age groups.
38:42This is a generational Mhm. [ __ ] moment, you know, that they got a whole generation all at once. How does that reverberate now in the next generation, the generation after that when those when that generation is coming into power in the workforce and then has power in the workforce? Do they even have it or were their balls cut off?
39:00>> Mhm.
39:02Yeah, education, I mean, there's so many parasitic forces that have identified education for what it is. It's it's the schooling system is incredibly powerful opportunity to capture the minds of youth.
39:17Whoever controls education, whoever controls the curriculum, whoever, you know, has authority over what's taught, how it's taught, what's not taught, they can control the that generation.
39:31So, that's why education is front and center. Mhm. It is front and center and it's the thing that we don't really talk about that often. It's kind of this like, let's brush that let's let's kick that down the the road, you know? That's like a background topic.
39:46But it's it's front and center. Like you said, there's so many different parasitic forces that are it's I think it's kind of like an opportunistic, you know, energy that is feeding off the system with with the pharmaceutical industry, that's a perfect example, you know?
39:59You industrialize the food supply, you industrialize the education system, so kids are going there, they're eating all this, you know, processed food, so they're getting hooked on processed foods, they're getting hit with glyphosate, atrazine, chemicals that are actually literally altering their hormones, they're sitting inside, you know, fluorescent lighting all day. You remove recess from 1950. We had about 2 hours a day of recess in the US >> in 1950. To today, we have 25 minutes.
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40:33Thank you.
40:34So By the way, you keep picking on public schools, righteously so. But like I I think this is absolutely infected most private schools as well. I don't really view it as any different at all.
40:45And I'm not even I don't want to demonize the systems themselves, like the people that try to do the right thing within it. It's a system that's been brainwashed on all of us, including the people who are actually sending their kids to get educated there. You know what I mean? There's bad actors in anything, and you've certainly pointed out some, but like you know, I think about the classrooms and how they're set up. It's like that's not that's not for creativity. I mean, you talked about it. You said you were growing up, you knew very early you were a creative guy, and you felt Mhm. If I'm putting words in your mouth,
41:17I apologize, but you felt like kind of cramped in. Definitely. By it, right?
41:21Yeah. It seems like that would be pretty much any creative kid going to school these days. Yeah, and thankfully now, on a positive note, we have all this neuroscience, brain science that really shows how beneficial outdoor time is. It shows how much we can even drink in in information. Like we're seeing that it's really only productive to have an a 2-hour window of academics per day. 2 hours? About 2 hours is the most effective. And then we're seeing that recess is more than just a break.
41:53We're seeing multiple uh different bits of research coming out. There's the the Link Project in um Texas Christian University. And then you have Colorado Boulder did a study. So they found that schools that implemented 60 minutes of recess kids scored 10% higher on standardized tests.
42:12And I sat down with the head of the the NIH, the the National Institute of Health.
42:19That He was there for 30 years. And he let me in on all the brain science. And he was like, "You know, it's actually in the the time in between when you take breaks from something where your brain is is learning. It's actually formulate Like you know, if you're a musician or if you're a boxer, right? You know, you can't just box all day and get better.
42:37You have to You have to take a break.
42:38You have to recover. Right? Recovery is arguably just as important as the the workout itself.
42:44>> 100% >> Possibly more. I You know, Yep. So, that's the same thing with recess. What we're learning is it's like there's this substance in the brain called myelin.
42:51It's like white matter. So, we're seeing all these studies coming out about kids that are spending too much time on screens, they're losing white matter. I think they just put out a study that showed kids preschool that spend 2 hours per day on their screens are showing a decrease in white matter in the brain.
43:10So, the way you increase white matter, this is the good news, is outdoor play.
43:15Unstructured outdoor play. 100% >> And taking breaks. Because the myelin So, you have neuro pathways forming.
43:23And the myelin is like the Imagine it as like duct tape. That's like wrapped around these neuro neuro pathways to help solidify it.
43:32So, we're seeing all this research coming out. And yeah, we're seeing that the actual structure of schooling is detrimental to learning.
43:39Has not I mean, you're waking kids up really early. Mhm. And then you're again sending them to school.
43:46A lot of these campuses are locked down because of school shooters, you know, issues with safety.
43:50>> yeah.
43:51We started hitting that. Um I'm sure you were on the same same boat when we were going through high school. We had to start doing all those drills. And so, you're dealing You know, kids are dealing with that psychologically. And And you have the whole structure of education, right? The bell rings, you go from room to room. That's still Prussian education, the whole curriculum being standardized, everybody's taking the same test.
44:12You know, that's why when I went to Finland, which is I would say it's the best education system in the world, it's like night and day different.
44:19Finland, for for a few different reasons, um and I'll get into the irony of it, but if Finland does the most amount of time of recess anywhere in the world.
44:31Mhm. They have the most recess out of any nation in the whole whole entire world. Yet, their kids are scoring at the top in standardized tests. I mean, they're competing with China who spends an ungodly amount of time forcing kids into academics and testing.
44:46The one benefit of communism is they say sit the [ __ ] down.
44:50The one benefit is you can get some stuff done.
44:56So, Finland >> Yeah.
44:58It's good to know. Yeah, I think the FBI might have heard that. Yeah, yeah, they're like, "Oh, got one."
45:03So, Finland, they don't give any homework to kids.
45:07No homework at all?
45:07>> No homework. They don't give kids any grades until eighth grade, no like letter grades or any of that stuff. So, it's really about letting kids be kids.
45:17What's the benefit of not giving out grades until so late?
45:21Are you ready for the red pill? That's Well, I don't care what the [ __ ] pill is, I'll take it. Let's go. So, grades were created to measure conformity.
45:33So, the higher the grade, the more conforming the individual.
45:39So, >> Who Who invented grades? This I think this comes back to the Prussian system, if I'm not mistaken.
45:45>> Yeah, let's look that up. But, what Carol Dweck, she's one of the um she's a a researcher from Stanford, she's a psychologist, she's one of the leading psychologists in the world, and I interviewed her in the film, and they did this experiment in the Bronx, actually, and in Chicago, and they went to the lowest performing test score districts in in those cities.
46:04And she found this uh grading scale. Instead of the traditional grading scale, they just threw it out. And they're like, "Let's try yet or not yet."
46:14Those are the two options. You either got it or you didn't get it yet.
46:17And what they found is that if you have they they measured kids with brain scans, kids that went through the traditional education grading system, when they were given a problem, it they were pretty much brain dead.
46:32They had no brain dead activity. So, they had a fixed mindset. That's what Carol Dweck came up with. And then when you had kids going through the yet or not yet system, when you gave them a problem, their brain was alive because they weren't they weren't labeled, right? They didn't have oh, I got a D. I'm a D student.
46:49They They got I didn't get it yet. Oh, let me keep trying. Let me try to Let me try again. It's like in a video game when you can come back to life. Exactly.
46:58You [ __ ] up a level, it's like, all right, I can try this again. Yeah, let's run it back. So, that's what That's what happened with these kids. And so, in the Bronx and in Chicago, these districts that tried the yet or not yet system shot to the top. They were literally the best the next year at standardized testing.
47:13>> When was that?
47:15That'd be a good one to pull up.
47:16>> Not that long ago though, right? Maybe a couple decades ago. But, what >> Here you What? Here's the crazy part.
47:21Here's the This will blow your mind. The Finnish education system, they saw that research and they adopted it.
47:29So, they were performing very mid or low mid in education and they shot to the top. So, when I went there, they literally were like, you know, telling me, "Yeah, I tell people if you want to live the American dream, move to Finland."
47:44Because they literally based their entire system off of our research.
47:47>> Now, why didn't we see this research?
47:49>> That's a great question.
47:50>> That's what I want to know. I'm still asking that question. I don't know. I don't know.
47:55I don't understand it. I don't I It makes it's if you look at all the brain science, if you look at all the research, it makes sense to give kids the maximum amount amount of time to outdoor exposure and the least amount of time on tests. In Finland, they give kids one standardized test. In the United States, we have 112 from K-3 12.
48:15>> 112?
48:17>> 112.
48:19So, it and and Finland has ranked, I believe, the last eight or nine years as the happiest country on Earth.
48:27So. Something to that. Something to that for sure. Yeah.
48:31>> Something there. How many people live in Finland? I don't expect you to know that. Can we look that up, Dief?
48:36I want to say it's like nine or 10 million. It's like Yeah, it's not two people.
48:40>> 5.6.
48:41>> 5.6, yeah.
48:42Sizeable country. Obviously not America, but like that is really, really interesting. Yeah. And I'm not advocating, I mean, we don't need to like copy and paste every bit of their system, but we should probably listen to the research that we did. Yeah, you know, when when I look back on it though, so I think there were parts of my education that were really good.
49:04I actually don't have a complaint about college and I think I'm really lucky with that. I understand why a lot of people have complaints about college these days, but I I kind of lucked out with that. But then there's parts of when I was growing up where I'm like that school wasn't as good, that system wasn't as good. This was okay, like kind of a kind of a mixed bag. I thought high school was decent, but you know, you're not thinking about these things at all as a kid cuz that's not your job to.
49:27Your job is to do and this is going to sound really bad to say, but like go where you're supposed to go and you know, your parents and the system kind of guide you with that. But looking back on it, I'm not one of these people that's like, well, we should just let the kids tell us whatever they want to do and we'll just sit back and say, "Okay, it's it doesn't need to be like that." But it's also not like sit the [ __ ] down, Johnny, like we're doing math right now cuz I said so. There needs to be a balance.
49:52So, is the balance also putting recess throughout the day? I for one think that makes a ton of sense. You mean getting a kid's [ __ ] blood flowing outside, being healthy without a [ __ ] screen?
50:02That that helps? Oh my god, what an original idea. But then, throughout the day, let's say you are going to stay with a day that's 8:30 to 2:30 or something like that. And you're going to say, "Okay, we're not going to throw out the fact that they're there at that point. Maybe they have to wake up a little too early for that than a kid should." But like the idea, if we had to keep that in place, how would we perfect it? We'd perfect it by putting more recess in. And then also, for me, and I don't want to oversimplify this, I just love your thoughts, I would kind of separate creativity with baseline
50:32learning. And what I mean by that is Yeah, if a kid doesn't like math, you still got to teach him math, right? If a kid doesn't like reading at first, you still got to teach him reading. But you can find a way to make that fun or more interactive. And maybe that starts we can talk about with the design of the rooms for one thing. But then when it comes to like art or anything that is a pure creative expression, let the kid tell you what they want to do. If the kid wants to learn to play the piano, don't say, "All right, [ __ ] you got to do Scherzo number nine." No, if they want to play All of the Lights by Kanye
51:05West, [ __ ] let them play You know what I mean? Like there has to be that expression where it's like, "All right, you have your space to do that." And I think you would actually get a kid who's more well-behaved if they were allowed to do what they wanted to do if it was fun, right?
51:18>> Mhm. Mhm. Yeah, and all of the neuroscience points to exactly that, that if you have motivated kids, if you have an interest in what you're learning, learning happens automatically.
51:30>> Right. Automatically. And you know, so I went to a lot of different schools in the film that I believe are doing it right and are are crushing it. Alpha School in Austin is one of them that's incredible. They're spreading all over the country. I went down to Mexico and >> Alpha School? Yeah, Alpha School by >> Can you pull that up, Dave? McKenzie Price. She's crushing it.
51:50And they they kind of I feel like they kind of have it figured out because they've got I mean their kids are crushing it in academics. They only focus 2 hours per day on academics, and then the rest of it is those like you said, those soft skills, like the the public speaking, you know, life skills.
52:06Right? Like just learning about how to life.
52:09Yeah. Which is probably the most important stuff. And our school system today does not really prioritize skills because they're so saturated with forcing the And this is not the fault of teachers. I want to make that clear. I'm a huge fan of teachers. And I I think teachers are being shackled to an old system, and we're not letting them actually teach.
52:29Um we're you know, and that's from the No Child Left Behind Bill and the Every Student Succeed Act, where we actually really like held them to the fire and and and made their pay based on their their students' performance on these tests. That's one of the most That's the thing that we just got to get that out ASAP. But we're dealing with this kind of these artifacts of our leadership is just they just aren't It's not clicking for some reason. I'm not sure. I'm I'm working on it. I've got We're going to, you know, meet with the Heritage Foundation in June, and and we are trying to like get this in front of
53:03policy makers and show them the film and just like maybe this can spark that awareness, you know, and help people see it. I feel like once you see it, you can't unsee it. That's how it happened with me. Once I saw all the data, saw all the research, saw what we're actually doing, I was like, This just seems so obvious. But Alpha School's a great example. I mean, they're a private school. She is fighting to get into charter schools, and And they fight that battle all the time. Well, it's so gate-capped. You know, the state board of education, it's like something new and innovative comes by, and it threatens all of their money.
53:34It threatens all of their donors. It threatens the textbook monopolies. It threatens the curriculum monopolies. And so they're like, "Mm, no, stay out." So that's why a lot of the innovation that's happening within education in America, it's like it's just happening in those charter schools and and or, you know, more so in the private schools, and it's kind of only for people that have money. So, that's why I'm like, "We got to bring this to everyone. We got to get this into the public schools." I met so many impressive kids from charter schools over the years. So many impressive ones, and I met some from
54:03charter schools where it's like expense is not an issue, which I don't even I shouldn't know that. I don't even know how that works in some of these. I should ask that question, but like, you know, they're not paying 15 grand a year to go there or whatever. Like maybe they're selected to go in there or they apply and if there's some sort of funding that actually goes to it. I know there was a fight about that and continues to be in the government, and it's like, you know, probably the thing that stood out about just thinking of the kids I know who went to charter school the most is that the interpersonal skills
54:34were tremendous.
54:37So, maybe they're kind of teaching that or letting them learn. Yeah, well, charter school is essentially a a private school that has access to state money. So, it makes basically like a private education. Like that that school can run it however they want. They don't have to stick to the government state standards, but they can still get state funding. That's what a charter school is.
54:56Private school, they don't have any state funding. Public school, it's 100% state funded. So, just to kind of give you like a ballpark idea of how this all works is imagine like every single one of us. Like imagine like a stereotypical American kid, they're worth about $20,000 per year to the system.
55:14So, depending on where they go, that's where that $20,000 goes. It varies by state, right? Some states are more expensive, some states are left. I'm just giving like kind of an average $20,000. That's that's, you know, what they're worth.
55:26And so, it's all based on attendance, right? So, this is why you have this huge battle right now. The battle in American education is school of choice.
55:35And there are entities that are fighting like hell to prevent school of choice, mainly the NEA, the ones who created the whole system.
55:43So, the NEA, they were the architects of the whole standardized education. Now, they get paid based on attendance, right? So, what's the last thing you want? You You don't want those kids going somewhere else, or else you'll lose that $20,000 per head, right? So, they're fighting to ban and, you know, keep school of choice out, but school of choice is gaining serious momentum right now. I think we have like 18 states under Trump's I think that one of the good things that the Trump administration is doing is school of choice. And they're rolling that out, so parents have the choice to send their kids to charter schools or
56:15alternative schools. Now, is it getting there?
56:18Is it getting anywhere this time around?
56:20Because like to their credit, I remember I remember Trump pushing that like on the campaign trail in 2015, 2016 as well, and then not a ton happened. Like, are they are they making progress now because of the pandemic, maybe? The pandemic. Yeah, they are. They're making serious headway because the pandemic just kind of broke everything. What the What the pandemic did is the teachers union stepped on a rake because they fought to keep the schools shut.
56:48And we knew COVID wasn't really affecting kids the same, so like the smart thing to do was to open schools, and they lobbied to keep it shut. And the schools stayed shut an extra year because of the teacher unions, because they lobbied.
57:01So, what happened is they were still getting federal funding. So, they were all getting paid. They just didn't have to go to work. They could work from home.
57:08And what happened, which is the like benefit of that, is it brought the classroom into the home. And so, parents saw what their kids were being taught.
57:18They're like, "What?"
57:19>> What the [ __ ] is this [ __ ] >> Right? What the [ __ ] is going on? Or what like the lack of what is not being taught. And so, that woke so many people up. Like I said, 1.5 million families pulled their kids out of public schools.
57:33So, that momentum is growing and, you know, people are starting to innovate and come up with new curriculums and come up with all sorts of new, like micro-schooling, I think is probably the most exciting solution.
57:44>> Micro-schooling? Yeah, it's it's essentially like homeschooling, but you you do it like, say the four of us, we have kids and we hire a teacher or one of us becomes the teacher and we all put our kids there at that one house. So, it's kind of like collective homeschooling.
57:59Imagine it as that. And so, we all kind of contribute to the salary of the teacher and so, we don't all have to homeschool cuz most families in America can't homeschool, right? So, micro-schooling is a great solution and that was really birth out of, you know, out of the pandemic. Woah.
58:16Now, you know, it's also I I think about this a lot. It you can, quote unquote, win the lottery, if you will, depending on where you're born and what your town is and what the situation is. There's problems in the whole system, to be clear, and you're doing a great job pointing that out, but like my mom was a public school teacher, came up in the whole system, hated the teachers' union, refused to be a part of it. So, she was she was What's the term? Like, black-pilled on that early or whatever, good for her. But, she taught at like an amazing public school. Like, they actually she taught at Council Rock in
58:51Pennsylvania, which I can't speak for that now, but like at the time in the '90s, like that was like a really [ __ ] good school.
58:58And then, like in my town that we lived in, they were doing heroin in the bathroom at like 11.
59:04And she's like, all right, well, I have one child, so you're going to private school. And I think that worked out a lot better for me than it would have there. But, point being, you know, you have some places where, even if I looked at it with the [ __ ] like just standardized testing, I could look at one town where the standardized testing is like they're scoring a 500 and then another town over, which is being funded by the same [ __ ] government, they're scoring 1,100 or something like that. So, it's also like you have different talent levels of teachers, different incentives levels of teachers, different places
59:37that are either prioritizing it with tax money or not.
59:41>> Mhm. And parents also don't control So, like how do we fix that, too? Is it just purely like be like, "Yo, we're doing full choice school choice?" Or Yeah, they've done studies that showed school of choice overall brings the quality of education up the best out of out of anything. Um it definitely shakes things up initially, but it I think there's there's probably studies we can pull up to check that out.
60:03Um yeah, I mean I think anytime that you allow competition and you allow others to bring different solutions to the table ends up, you know, ends up working out.
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