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11:54[music] Hey everybody and welcome to the Jimmy Door Show. I'm your guest host for today, Misty Winston, and we have another jam-packed show. Another one.
12:25This is a big one. This is a big one.
12:26Um, so we're going to dive right in.
12:28We're not going to mess around. Um, later on in the show, we're going to have Kit from Hardlands Media joining us uh for the back half of the show. So, make sure you stick around for that. Um, but to open the show, I'm very excited about this. I'm I'm not going to lie, though. I'm a little overwhelmed. Um, so we're going to be talking to Whitney Webb and Mark Goodwin. So, Whitney Webb, and obviously don't need an introduction here, but we're going to do one anyway.
12:49Uh, Whitney Webb is an independent investigative journalist, author, and contributing editor at Unlimited Hangout. And Mark Goodwin is the former editor-in chief of Bitcoin magazine and the author of the Bitcoin dollar and economic monoth. Uh, together they have recently written a monster, absolutely monster investigative piece on the history, origins, and ambitions of polyarket. Uh the first part was recently published, so we're going to go through that. Um and then maybe at the end we'll talk a little bit about what we can expect for uh the second half of this piece. Um so let's bring in Mark
13:20and Whitney. Hey guys, thanks for joining me. I appreciate it.
13:23>> Hello Misty.
13:25>> Hey, good to see you guys.
13:28>> Yeah, of course. Um this is uh I'm not going to lie, little overwhelming. Um this this piece is massive. And so I wanted to start because I think that most people are pretty familiar with prediction markets and all of that stuff. They've become pretty ubiquitous in our culture in recent years. But what I found super interesting in just starting off your piece is how far back this kind of model actually goes. I mean we're talking like what like 40 years of history or something. So what did when you guys were looking into this what for you was the first sort of the first use of this type of of prediction model?
14:01Uh yeah, so as we note in the piece uh the first modern prediction market uh you could either point to the Iowa electronics market which came out of the University of Iowa in the 1980s but the one the the first one that's the most like the prediction markets we know today started in 1994. It was called the foresight exchange and it was sort of the brainchild of this guy named Robin Hansen uh who developed the idea or the concept of idea futures a few years before that and so this was like a prediction market online but it was with play money right not real money like the ones today um and it allowed people to
14:36bet on all sorts of things uh that weren't just like presidential politics which is how the Iowa one had kind of started uh but also like will this discovery happen in science and you know all sorts of general uh things not tied to traditional bedding I guess. So uh Robin Hansen is a recurring figure throughout this piece because not only did he create that um those you know really essential ideas to the genesis of modern prediction markets but he also was the main system architect behind DARPA which is the US military branch.
15:10um their failed efforts to create the policy analysis market which uh colloquially uh kind of became known as the terrorism futures market and was highly controversial and then he later became involved uh with another an adviser to a a Peter Teal linked startup called Augur uh that as we note in the article seemed to be the first attempt to resurrect DARPA's policy analysis market and then had been contacted by Shane Copan um who created Poly Market before he officially uh made Poly Market. Uh and the official narrative says that Hansen brushed off Copin, but after our article came out, Robin Hansen
15:50was like, "Actually, that's not true."
15:52But he didn't continue on. So, I guess he was more involved. Uh but he >> uh was essentially is probably the most important figure that we can thank for the uh current iteration of prediction market mania uh that we see today.
16:07>> Yeah, they're everywhere. freaking everywhere which I mean it's to be expected with things like sports betting and all of that but I mean poly market I mean you can literally bet on anything which is insane to me I remember seeing a um I don't even know what award show was but there was a clip of uh what's that guy Trevor Noah and he said like just randomly said potato and he's like if you bet on me saying potato during this broadcast you just won a lot of money and I'm like you can bet on people saying words like that's crazy [laughter] >> that didn't that story just come out sorry Missy didn't story just come out
16:36yesterday or the day before that like Trump's teleprompter operator.
16:40>> We're going to cover that later. Yes.
16:42>> Okay. [laughter] Sorry.
16:43>> No, that's okay. No, no, no. I have that piece. I I was going to do it with you guys, but we have so much to go through and your article that I'm like, I don't know if I can squeeze it in. So, I am going to do a separate segment later on that story. Yes, that's great.
16:56>> Um, yeah. Okay. So, I'm glad that you brought up DARPA because isn't DARPA always involved? I mean, it's just But we've seen this. Go ahead, please.
17:04>> No, just uh DARPA essentially made the internet. So they, you know, it was first ARPANET, I guess, before it became the >> DARPA free iteration we know today as the internet. And so a lot of uh their hands seem to be in a lot of internet related pies, I guess.
17:23>> And and that's a huge part of I think a lot of the work Whitney's been doing for years and and I've been tagging along recently. But yeah, just this kind of general idea of a lot of these ideas started within the Pentagon and and at you know sort of military contractors and it slowly went from being like direct you know government public officials to then government contractors to then you know the CIA starting a a venture firm and basically the intelligence and military community at this technological level moving entirely into the private sector um as a way to deal with like public backlash. Um, you
18:03know, whether it was specifically this, you know, the terrorist futures market, you know, one of the main reasons why this, you know, the the future map was shuttered. Uh, it was because, you know, these two senators kind of came out and were like, this is crazy. They're like making bets on when the next 9/11 will happen. This is terrible. And so they like kind of realized, okay, we can't do this in the in the public sector, but if we kind of rebranded all of this stuff we had cooking here, um, you know, with, you know, guys that Whitney's been talking about forever, Po PO, Dexter, and and and I'm sure we'll get into a
18:35lot of this, but this this whole model is not new. Um, something starting in uh in DARPA and then getting spread out into the private sector. And very specifically, we describe a new model in this piece, which I'm sure we'll get into, but this idea of the Napsterization model, um, which is kind of like the next iteration of, okay, we can't do it in the public sector, let's do it in the private sector, and then, well, actually, it's still illegal to do a bunch of stuff in the private sector.
19:05So let's create a company that just disrupts and blows up the market and then we'll re we'll rebuild the market charge a bunch of money for a service that was free and you know basically do the Napster do Spotify model that's you know we we proposed that that's what they did with Augur and and Poly Market.
19:23So I'll leave the rant there. There's obviously a lot to cover there but >> there's I mean there's so like in going through this article I'm like how am I even going to do this? Like I don't even know how to do this. Like this [laughter] is insane. Uh it's just a lot. It's a lot and and my brain is so scattered that it's difficult for me to like hold things in places where they're supposed to be. And so I get all I go all over the place. So I'm going to try really hard, guys, to be at least slightly.
19:45>> No, don't worry about it. It is a lot of stuff. And honestly, it would be hard for me to keep it all in my brain if I wasn't putting it like on paper and publishing it as articles, right?
19:55Because if you're just like absorbing the stuff, it's hard to talk about it without organizing it. which is why we do long- form investigative stuff. It's for the people that want to see the process and also the sourcing, but also like just for me, it's much easier to talk about something if I've written it out, you know?
20:15>> Yeah, that's fair. Cuz I've always been very intimidated by your brain and Mark as well. But I mean just like the idea that you're able to keep all of this information and then pull it like I'm able to absorb information but then to keep the names and the dates and the stuff and the programs and everything to just have readily available to pull at will. I don't have that. So [laughter] I'm very >> I'm still intimidated by her brain. I mean it's not it's come on. [laughter] >> I mean I know you're trying to make me feel better like I write it down so it's easier. No, you just have a different
20:43brain. That's okay. I'm I'm I'm self-aware about my brain being not great. Um okay. So, uh, in talking about like these defense programs, and this is not the first time that we've seen, uh, these like nefarious defense programs, they get sused out. Somebody raises, um, you know, concerns about it, and then they sort of, uh, take it away very, you know, very swiftly and then they just reimagine it and then reintroduce it in the private sector. That's been something that they've done. I mean, with Lifelog becoming Facebook, um, it's that sort of same thing. And, and is is that it I mean, essentially that's
21:14that's what happened here, right? They had this uh the the policy analysis market and they were and essentially it is it was just like betting on terrorists, right? Betting on terrorism and and >> yeah is the theory that they can that if they have this market where you can bet on those things that are they positing that that is a way that they can then prevent those things from happening because then they can see who's betting where.
21:37>> Okay, >> that was the argument. the idea that like the wisdom of the market would allow them to prevent things or know things before they happen. And so that's a key point to take um from this whole idea of like what was the policy analysis market which was a sub project under what Mark mentioned a second ago.
21:57future map was like the broader program um that this was kind of nestled within but basically this was all under the umbrella of something at DARPA in the aftermath of 9/11 a brainchild of our friends Dick Cheney and John Po Dexter who if you don't know him uh was the highest ranking member of the Reagan administration uh prosecuted with multiple felonies for his role in Iran Contra >> friend of the show >> so yeah [laughter] so so uh you know Dick Cheney was like this is who should lead this office after 9/11. So, you know, it's terrible uh just from that.
22:31But the information awareness office was all about predicting things before they happen. And they said it was how we'll predict a, you know, uh another 9/11 before it happens was the justification at the time. But if you go back and study 911 and know that these were involved in creating 911, then obviously, you know, they have an ulterior motive there. Um and so basically the goal of this was to create a surveillance dragnet and all these different programs including the policy analysis market would feed the information predictive information and all this other data into an the jewel and the crown of this office and that
23:09program was called total information awareness or TIA and they later renamed it terrorism information awareness market to try and make it sound like they weren't going to suck up data on millions of innocent Americans. which it still was after the name change. It was just like a PR thing when people started to get kind of concerned about it. Um so basically the the outcomes predicted by things like the policy analysis market would have been fed into TIA. And so I've actually written about TIA a lot over the past several years. Uh and if you're familiar with my work, you may know that I reported back in 2020 uh
23:43that Palunteer is the privatized version of TIA. It's if you look at the evidence, it's very obvious that it's exactly what Peter Teal and Alex Karp set out to do, incorporating Palanteer right after the controversy hit TIA.
23:58They have that name change and then a neocon in the Bush administration in the Department of Defense specifically uh is contacted by Teal and Karp and sets them up with PO Dexter because they want to recreate and this is in mainstream media. They wanted to recreate what Po Dexter had tried to do at DARPA. This is literally what it's supposed to be. And uh so Palunteer is meant to you know it the privatized version still is meant to plug into all of these data sources and then predict things before they happen.
24:28And that's why Pal palante Palanteer in the modern sense has been leading on predictive policing which is essentially pre-rime and um they have uh various connections with other companies that have been privatized out of the same DARPA office which was shut down but not and defunded but just divided up basically between intelligence agencies and the private sector. And the goal is the same. They just basically tried to activate these programs in a way that would sort of slip under the radar and not make people as mad. But it's basically an effort to lead us into uh pre-rime and predicting things before
25:05they can happen. And if you're aware of what Po Dexter and a lot of these Iran contra guys were trying to do back in the 80s, this isn't about preventing terrorism. This is about quelling disscent and stopping descent be it becomes a threat to their order. And if you look back at my past reporting on the continuity of government protocols that these this Iran Contra crowd which included Cheney even though he wasn't officially in government at the time uh that they tried to develop it was you know ways to basically suspend constitutional rights for Americans that might become unfriendly under a vaguely
25:39defined national emergency which could include numerous things including nonviolent mass demonstrations against US military intervention abroad. So, peaceful protests against something, right? So, now that we have >> uh as we can potentially talk about later, it's not in the article, but we have people in the Trump administration saying uh the resurgence of political terrorism is here.
26:02>> Yeah. I'm also [snorts] talking.
26:05>> Yeah. And Marco Rubio and these guys saying that like these are the neocons.
26:10They are back and they have they are now trying to successfully uh have go live this system they were trying to create under George W. Bush they have now made it and they are trying to create the conditions to be able to use it and suspend people's constitutional rights. And so that whole national security memorandum or NSPM7 that they were talking about in that thing, it's all about being able to uh debank, defund, prosecute all these people, not just for what they have done, but for what they might do. And this was something that the Trump administration tried to do last time if uh you were paying attention by having
26:54pe by having AI scan social media and decide if you are showing early warning signs of neurossychiatric violence, whatever that means, and then could flag you and treat you uh based on that. So anyway, I'll stop there. and well the development the hypocrisy of it you know last time we were on uh independently but on the Jimmy Door show um you know we were talking about the the data center piece that we had just done in in you know your your home state in in Ohio >> and there's been a ton of public backlash at you know the data center movement you know since it's become a really big political not saying since we
27:33went on the I'm not saying it's it's us but since you know since that time >> it's been a war yeah it'scome come a really big talking point and people are starting to really push back and you look at you know these guys that that's the big money behind AI you know these Andre Horowits Mark Andre um you know teal and this this group that you know a year ago was on this big publicity tour about being debanked and about how banking is this constitutional or human right and it's so crazy that the Biden war on crypto you know >> speech or censorship we're mad about these things.
28:11>> Yeah. Like you know the right was so persecuted and and now you know they're literally the state department is hosting you know like their own little like like bonaroo like little festival and they're all coming together and they're like we're going to work with local law enforcement and intelligence and the state department and the military to identify disrupt debank lefties. It's like what have the lefties done? If this isn't about speech, what have they there hasn't been a terrorist attack yet. I mean, it's not like there's been a data center that's blown up or I mean, nothing has happened. I'm
28:45not saying that it won't happen uh or that it won't be, you know, a big deal moving on that there might not be a violent leftist push back. I'm not saying that that won't happen, but it hasn't happened. So, what are we basing this on if it's not speech? If it's not rhetoric, and obviously it is. And these guys now that it's like, oh shoot, they're they're attacking us for, you know, this data center push because people have realized that, oh, maybe this isn't data centers to like, you know, uh, you know, solve cancer or or or fix agricultural problems or whatever. Maybe it's just a giant surveillance drag neck to go through all
29:21of our communications and triangulate everything and do horistic analysis and every, you know, maybe these data centers aren't prohuman. Maybe they are taking jobs. You know, maybe this isn't a good thing. And now they're like setting up an unbelievable group of uh like collaborators to attack political dissonance. And you know, this is America. We should have political dissonance. It should be allowed.
29:45Obviously, there's, you know, things that we don't condone. And there's things that are illegal and unconstitutional within dissonance. But but being a dissonant shouldn't be something you should be afraid of being debanked for, especially after the way this administration came in. Well, it's unconstitutional at the end of the day is is that you know that yes that and they I mean they claim to care so much about the constitution and this for me as a free speech activist who's very very pro speech this has been something that has been the bane of my existence for a long time because I feel like on
30:15each side it's not one or the other leftists are all about free speech until they want to shut somebody on the right up and in vice versa the people on the right are very pro- free speech until they want to shut somebody on the left up and so there's this just unbelievable glaring ing hypocrisy on both sides and um everybody wants their rights um until they can effectively use it against their enemies. Um and so that's >> but it'll be used against everybody.
30:41That's the point. So like today it you know they're saying it's about leftists but it's really going to be about anyone who like complains about specific agendas of the administration that's in power. Even if it switches from you know red party to blue party or whatever.
30:56>> It's really all the same anyway. Yeah, it's still going to be the same. So, you know, the AI data center building push and the AI infrastructure buildout, people that get in the way of that, even if they're on the right, will be targeted by this, right?
31:08>> Um, and if you are against, I don't know, perhaps the Iran war, as that continues to go, even though a lot of people on the right are against that, you could be treated as a political terrorist for speech. Yeah, >> there's a lot of efforts to develop this and I would encourage people to go look at reporting uh by unlimited hangout from the past and and others just about how the US government has been defining domestic terrorism in recent years >> for a long time. I mean, I remember it was like maybe uh 2016, 2017 maybe. I don't I may be way off on the date there, but um some years ago, I remember
31:43I think it was department Department of Homeland Security put out that little flyer thing about domestic violent extremists and it was basically everybody like, "Hey, do you care about the environment just a little too much?
31:54You're an extremist. Hey, do you care about speech a little too much? You're >> My personal favorite is uh if you uh are against or angered by a perceived government overreach." Yeah.
32:07[clears throat] Yes. Yeah. Suddenly you're in terrorist >> and these words I mean now basically getting this whole coalition >> of baddies of ghouls together to fight you know terror you know the the the terror is such a good boogeyman because it can be redefined. You know terror is such a you know a subjective definition.
32:27You know, of course there are things most people can agree on are terror, but like they can just say, "Oh, you're a terrorist. You're a domestic." You know, it's it's so wishy-washy.
32:35>> But at the end of the day, the real terrorists are the national security state of the US and several other countries. So there any claim by them to actually be fighting terrorism is crap.
32:46>> Yeah.
32:47>> Yeah. I'm pretty sure this administration is waging a war without congressional approval. So I don't know.
32:54>> Blowing up girl schools. Yeah.
32:55>> Yeah. Using anthropic AI. I mean, slaughtering civilians on mass, aiding and funding a genocide. Uh, I mean, we could go on and on and on. So, yes, and I've been saying this for a long time. I mean, the United States is easily the world's largest terrorist organization, if by any measurable definition. I don't think that there's any really debating that at this point. I mean, it is by far. It's not even close. Like, not even close. I mean, somebody argued with me the other day that it's Israel that is in fact, and no, Israel has nothing on us. They haven't even existed long enough [laughter] to
33:23>> to be on our level. So, yeah. I mean, it's it's a it's a crazy thing to to watch this play out. And it's crazy to see American citizens uh cheering for this kind of stuff and not recognizing the danger that it puts them in. And again, it's that that weird tribalism and hypocrisy where, oh, well, that person I don't like is going to be impacted by this, so I'm going to cheer it on without the foresight of recognizing that this is coming for you, too. And I mean, we've seen that time and time again. I mean, you had the right cheering on Black Lives Matter protesters getting brutalized, and then
33:53you had Black Lives Matter protesters cheering when Jay Sixers got brutalized.
33:57And I'm like, you guys don't even realize that the reason the reason this happens to you is because you cheer it on when it happens to the other side and you just you're effectively giving permission for it to continue. And it's just >> and and and you're not allowed to be critical of the US government. I mean, they might make it illegal. Right now, it's not, which is nice. I'm glad we can all talk here today. But it's like, you know, you can only be mad at Israel. You can only be mad at Russia. And, you know, obviously we saw last night China.
34:23And, you know, it's like those are, you know, there's some blame to be given there. Sure. But like, why not get mad at the US government for what they're doing? Why do we have to blame uh, you know, China or Russia or Israel for everything and not the US government for their participation on all of these things? I think the multipolar world again this is we could go talk seven hours on on a lot of these threads being brought up here and I'm sure we should go back to prediction markets but you know [laughter] >> but maybe this is a good segue. It's an interesting thing. We got a lot of for this article because Whitney dared
34:59use the Israeli VC ties as the example in her tweet explaining the origin story of Shane Copelan and Poly Market of being like, "Hey, he actually had this company beforehand that had all these ties to V like Israeli VCs, including family members of Netanyahu."
35:17And people went insane on us about how >> we're anti-Semitic and all this cuz we're talking about Israel. It's like, no, the piece is about DARPA. The piece is about US intelligence. There's a bit about Israel in there, but like what are we talking about?
35:30>> Well, let's talk a little bit about that. Let's Because Poly Market has been presented as this like cool new hip prediction market like fun, you know, trendy whatever founded by this pluckucky young college dropout who, you know, started in his bathroom, Misty, all alone in his bathroom with a laptop on his toilet.
35:48>> I mean, how many times have we heard that story? Google was started in a garage. Jeff Bezos, this pluckucky young guy, started Amazon from his garage.
35:54Like, it's just this ridiculous story uh that we just keep getting foresighted over and over again. So, um and it's obviously just a front and you know, they try to claim that this kid is just, you know, this random guy who had this great idea and it's not that. So, who is Shane Copin? Who is this guy?
36:11So he grew up in New York and as a teen he was like smart but unmotivated and he pretty much like admitted that as a teen he realized that he'd have to find a different way to compete with his peers than conventional means uh to achieve his dreams of becoming fabulously wealthy which of course he has since achieved. So he figured he I guess did figure out a way to compete unconventionally and as we note in the article it seems like he did that by studying up on the big tech billionaires like Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook uh which we talked about being very similar almost too similar to DARPA's life blog
36:46um and also Travis Kalanick who is um of Uber fame and would later go in to invest in poly market uh interestingly enough um and so basically uh He became like a a a top expert as a as a teenager interning at this company called Rap Genius, which later just became called Genius, which is like this effort to annotate the web. Um, and he became their top expert on Zuckerberg in particular. And so if you have closely studied uh Mark Zuckerberg's trajectory, you will probably know that the only reason the Facebook uh at the time when it was founded, later Facebook and now Meta um was successful is because it got
37:27in bed with Reed Hoffman and Peter Teal very early and that the guy that made that happen was Shawn Parker who is clearly a big influence even though he hasn't overtly said it on Shane Copan uh because he Copan later becomes even before he creates Poly market obsessed with the idea of napsterizing an industry and becomes very focused um from at least 2018 on on napsterizing finance and has claimed that Poly Market >> um is an effort to do that and uh so basically you know he had uh he's in all these profiles that have been written about him since Poly Market has like exploded um in in popularity and use uh
38:08not a single of them mention his company before Poly Market which we thought was really weird >> uh because they're basically treating it as he was a nobody and was broke and then but was into crypto and then during COVID he was like oh we need a way to predict stuff when all the because of all this uncertainty in COVID uh and then built this company in his bathroom and then somehow three months later being this nobody college dropout uh attracts like $4 million in funding from all these uh you know bigname bros like I don't know that doesn't really happen.
38:42You know, Epstein was a college dropout that somehow got all this stuff thrown at him, too. Like, it's, you know, there's something else uh going on there. And so, we found this other company that he had before then uh which was first called Token Bank and later became called Token Union. And lo and behold, uh it was a company deeply tied uh of course to the Ethereum ecosystem, which is important, and maybe Mark can talk more about that uh later. Sure. Um but you know the Netany and Yahoo connection we pointed out is that token union was specifically created to as being extremely integrated uh with this
39:18other company called Bangor. Um and Bankor was co-founded by Netanyahu's niece and nephew. Um and it was uh just the probably the most important component and partner of this token union company Shane Copan had. And then um a couple of his adviserss um to this token union company were also kind of bigname people with both ti they were also simultaneously advisers to Bangor and one of them in particular intimately involved in the isra Israeli uh venture capital scene particularly as it relates to crypto and other high-tech um you know ventures and he is also in other ways uh explicitly uh partnered uh
40:02with uh other VC firms created by veterans of Isra Israeli intelligence and that particular firm that he's partnered with. Um their stated goal is to basically take unit 8200 uh projects that were previously done inhouse and then basically privatize them off. Um which also coincidentally from 2012 on has been an admitted Israeli state policy that they're using a bunch of these unit 8200 veteran company as fronts actively for Israeli intelligence. Um, so we found that pretty significant and we're like, well, you know, if he's obviously hiding this uh so extensively from his past and all these new profiles, like maybe this is
40:44why. Um, but we don't really know and we don't really know why he and I guess the media that has covered him is so committed to the story that he didn't have a real background before 2020. Um, but obviously he had all these ties to like prominent VCs and to prominent crypto companies that are tied to the prime minister of Israel's family. Um, and that probably explains how 3 months after he founded Poly Market and built it in his bathroom. Uh, that he was able to attract 4 million in funding from PE from partners at like Andreason Horowitch and the Bellagi guy who did the network state. Um and then all
41:24these, you know, prominent Coinbase veterans who at the same time had sort of sunset the competitor uh to um Poly Market that we talked about earlier, Augur, that was basically pretty much overtly created to be a resurrection of DARPA's policy analysis market. And actually uh in part two but though we uh found it after publishing part one there's an interview that Copan gave in 2020 just after attracting this you know 4 million uh dollar in investment in you know a threemonth-old poly market or wherever where he basically says uh when asked about DARPA's policy analysis market he's like yes I'm super familiar
42:03this is what they were trying to do. Oh, and also um it's a key part of the passion behind why my team and I built Poly Market, >> right?
42:12>> Interesting.
42:12>> The other thing that's interesting about this company pre preoly market is not only of course the Netanyahu Israeli intelligence connections. Yes, I think that's that's fair to say, but also it's the first time where we can see Shane being connected to the the Teal Nexus.
42:31>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I should have brought that up. So the uh Netanyahu's niece before creating Bangor this company had been a partner at Teal's founders fund and then Augur which is we sort of frame as the predecessor to Poly Market had been created by a Peter Teal fellow.
42:49Yeah. Joey Kug. Um, and then he had sort of been intimately involved with Vitalic Buterine, the Ethereum co-founder who was also a teal fellow to develop that.
43:00And then of course Krug and Founders Fund come back and lead I think the seed round uh for Poly Market sort of projecting it to the crazy heights it's seen since the 2024 US presidential election. And this is significant because Teal uh is the main guy that has privatized all these other information awareness office projects out of DARPA.
43:21He's the one that privatized TIA's Palanteer. He's the money source that allows Facebook to become an analog to the shuttered DARPA project known as Lifelog. And here his money is again uh resurrecting the policy analysis market.
43:36Right? Coincidence. When we look at early early PayPal, which for some reason, everybody loves to talk about the PayPal mafia, but people don't like to talk about PayPal for some reason.
43:45And PayPal is one of the most important companies ever. Uh they dollarized the internet. They were the they made the basically the de facto currency of the internet, the US dollar, which is a incredibly huge deal. Um and no one ever talks about that. They talk about crypto, they talk about Bitcoin, but like the first guys that did this in a in a way that scaled um was PayPal. Um and interestingly, where did PayPal kind of come out of, you know, it kind of came out of the Stanford um nexus in in Silicon Valley, but specifically Stanford? And and then where did they get their first money? Um, obviously
44:21Teal was a was a, you know, ran his own hedge fund and and was a a foreign exchange trader of of currencies and he put a million dollars into the company with with Levchin when they founded it.
44:31But the first institutional investor was Idea Labs, which was this incubator in Southern California. This guy Luke Kerner, who's one of the main adviserss to token bank, um, who's this guy that has all these connections to, you know, former IDF funds.
44:46>> Yeah. Um he was the CEO oft Ideal Labs in the 90s which was basically this you know uh early internet streaming um you know uh early online video and [clears throat] and this nexus the idea labs nexus um is a huge part of the current story of digital finance. um its founder Bill Gross was literally communicating with Epstein about starting um you know what would basically be a digital currency with a stable value whereas at that time the co-founder of Tether which is the biggest um you know stable coin in the world basically the CBDC from the United States again in the private sector not the public sector this is this ongoing
45:32thing he worked for Bill Gross at a gaming fund Epstein and Bill Gross are talking uh you know, hey, how do we how do we flip this Bitcoin thing on its head and and make this dollarized and and and they come up with this plan in emails that you can read and at the DOJ's website. Um so this this Nexus, that same guy gave the first investment into PayPal and the co-founder of Idea Labs is this guy Bill Elkus and he was a trustee of the Jay Epstein Foundation in the 90s, like a longtime multi-deade friend of Epstein. Um, and these guys are the ones putting all the money into the early crypto community. So,
46:11[clears throat] the Teal Fellowship is extremely important. Teal would not become what Teal became without Ideal Labs sponsoring them, giving them a bunch of money and and incubating. And if I can interrupt for a second, it's also important to point out and you can expand on this um as well is that when PayPal was founded, >> before ID Labs coming in, they were collaborating per Max Levchin with every intelligence agency that would talk to them basically.
46:37>> Yeah. So there's there's a pretty famous it's kind of infamous clip of Max Levchin the cryptographer and co-founder of PayPal um talking to Charlie Rose in I think like 2006 something like that in that era and he's like when we were developing the anti-fraud algorithms at PayPal I collaborated with every three and fourletter agency they were some of the most fruitful agencies or business partnerships I ever had. Um, and he talks about how actually when I first kind of graduated from the University of Illinois as a computer science major, I wanted to use cryptography to help the nation. I had come in as a, you know,
47:13basically a refugee from the fall of the USSR. I came to America and I went and I applied to the NSA and was like, I want to use cryptography to help America. And the NSA basically was like, listen, you'll never be able to commercialize any of your ideas and any of your research if you work with us in the public sector. You'll never make a dime.
47:31What you really want to do is go to the private sector. So what happens? Levchin flies to Palo Alto, crashes at the first eventually the first, you know, PayPal board members couch, Scott Banister, who happened to be a VP at Idea Labs at the time. He crashes on his couch. It happens to be in the same week the day that Digiash, which is at at this point was the biggest attempt at doing digital cash um founded by David Cham that gets shuttered. Uh you know, let's say it gets shuttered on a Tuesday. There's a big party at Stanford. They cut up all the assets, intellectual property, dissolve the company, which was the
48:11largest online digital payments company.
48:14And then two days later, Levchin has breakfast with Peter Teal and comes up with an idea of making cryp, you know, cryptographic money with PayPal >> at their first meeting.
48:23>> At their first meeting, two days after DigiCrash shutters, the party's on Stanford grounds. He's living on Stanford [clears throat] grounds. He goes and has breakfast with Tio on Stanford grounds. They start PayPal.
48:34That's kind of the first iteration of this Napsterization model where you have Napster, you know, DigiCash. They disrupt the payment space inventing all this stuff. but there's too much litigation and legislation and and it doesn't scale properly and there's a lot of issues with it. So, hey, let's spin off and let's create this new company that will basically slide into this market that no one's dominated yet and create a monopoly. Um, we're totally in the private sector, but we're but we're talking to all the public sector, all the intelligence agencies, and then they they somehow managed to create uh
49:08digital dollars. You know, it's just it's quite a coincidence. Um and and this model uh the Napsterization model, you know, like Sean Fanning, uh and and and Sean Parker, you know, who created Napster, Sean Parker, you know, kind of has a similar story where he got, you know, uh he got in a lot of trouble when he was 15 and 16 years old for hacking a Fortune 500 company and some government websites and the FBI raided his house much like they raided Shane Copeland's house and basically gave him community service. And as he admits, the CIA attempted to recruit him because, you know, showing that you can hack into
49:46Fortune 500 companies and government websites is a pretty good, you know, recruitment tool for the CIA. Um, and where does he go? Instead of going to the CIA, he goes and works for Mark Pinkis in DC at Freeloader and he goes and works for ENET, um, also in DC. Mark Pinkinis becomes the co-founder of Zingga, which is one of the main reasons why Facebook explodes into the juggernaut it does. You know that, you know, Farmville, you remember all those games? That was Pinkis.
50:15>> Um, that was Pinkis. And then UNET is basically a bunch of far former DARPA officials who took all of the IP and stuff they created in making commercial internet and applied it to the public sector, rather to the private sector.
50:28and they took all this DARPA technology and turned it into basically the first successful internet service provider. So this community, this model, these guys, they have the same origin stories. It's the same nexus. It's the same money that's supporting all these guys. It's the same story of this disruptive um company coming in and messing up everything but then folding for some reason because of you know the law wasn't ready yet or it didn't shut >> or they intentionally shuttered it and then they recreate it with um a pay model uh like Napster getting shut down and then becoming Spotify >> with Sean Parker. Sean Parker is one of
51:08the main advisers and main investors.
51:09And wow, it turns out he turned it into a multi-billion dollar company. This this thing that they created in their bedroom, you know. So, >> yeah.
51:18>> I find so fascinating. It's the same cast of characters and it's the same it's the same playbook. It's the same over and over and over again. I mean, listen, it's effective. I I guess good for them for figuring it out, but >> it does work for them.
51:30>> It does, which is wild to me, though, because we have seen it happen so many times. You would think that people would start to question like, "Hey, wait a minute. Another pluckucky young guy in his bathroom or in his garage who is broke [clears throat] but suddenly has all this access to millions of dollars to start this thing that used to be a government-run program." But I mean, it's just it's kind of crazy and it it's it's fascinating to me on many levels for multiple things that they do that just work. I mean, for example, we mentioned briefly uh Trump and his new China gate.
52:01I mean, we just did this. We just did the same thing and we're going to do it again. I mean, it's no different than when um I think it was in Iraq. They were saying that they were giving their soldiers um uh what's the erectile dysfunction medication. What is it called? I'm blanking.
52:16>> Viagra.
52:17>> Viagra. Thank you. Thank you. Uh and then they they regurgitated that exact same propaganda in for Ukraine for Russia. And I'm like, >> we need better writers. You guys have no there's not an ounce of creativity.
52:28>> It's okay. I'm personally waiting for uh the story of uh you know Iran throwing babies out of incubators and you know and um I'm sure that will happen eventually. I mean, yeah. I mean, they have a really tired propaganda playbook, but it like I guess it works still, mainly because of how extensively they're able to manipulate the media environment and how a lot of people have been sort of um deluded into thinking that the government doesn't uh manipulate independent or alternative uh media and that, you know, a lot of the podcasts, including like, you know, the one run by Steven Miller's wife are
53:08somehow like [laughter] independent and fair and not like government propaganda ops. I don't know.
53:16>> Yeah. And there's a lot of those all the big names really. I mean, it's just and again, it's just it's such an effective thing and it's it's that whole thing is fascinating to me because it's usually somebody who was very mainstream who's then booted from mainstream who then re like envisions themselves as like this pluckucky outsider who's going to fight back against >> Dude, I feel like that was perfected a few years ago by these guys that would get cancelled and then go on Rogan and then just explode and it was like a the cancellation pipeline to internet fame.
53:48Well, I mean, there's several people who use it as like their tagline.
53:51>> I mean, all those guys, >> they'll use it as their tagline. Like, I'm the most censored podcaster on blah blah blah. And I'm like, okay, bro.
53:58Yeah, whatever.
53:59>> You have millions of followers.
54:01[laughter] What do you mean?
54:02>> Yeah. It's >> your banking stuff works great. Like, you're still bank. What do you mean?
54:07>> Yes. All of us do. So, I did want I wanted to ask something because we we talked about earlier how they're using this model as a way to um kind of uh silent silence and control disscent, crack down on descent, all of that stuff. But I'm wondering if there's also another aspect of this and and this is nothing new. This is something a tale as old as time. um the ma like the management of narratives because I feel like they are very effective at I mean and we see it on I mean there's a montage I saw earlier when I was doing research for this where uh they were showing different mainstream news people
54:39saying well the predictive markets say the predictive markets say and I feel like that repetition of the markets say the markets say that seeps into a consciousness and then you start to you can manufacture consent through that sort of a thing you can totally >> implant narratives you can manage narratives You can change narratives, all of that stuff. I feel like that is kind of an under, at least for me. Like when I saw that montage, I was like, "Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes, that's exactly what they're doing."
55:06>> Well, good on you, Misty. So, yeah. Uh, I don't know if we really talked about it yet, but the article that we're talking about right now is actually part one of a two-part series. So what you just touched on is something that we were planning exploring in part two which is the idea of how uh since these markets are now known for insider trading and that even by their you know the people that developed them in a sense like Robin Hansen described insider trading as a feature not a bug that it has it it also the way it's being used now is giving these uh poly market unprecedented ability to manipulate reality.
55:43>> Yeah. uh and manage media narratives and basically seed the idea that something will happen or like this is the outcome because the market says so even though they've essentially said that you know these markets can be manipulated and you know if if you've [laughter] been paying attention like a lot of the people in power um are notorious for manipulating markets right um and Wall Street executives go you know get a slap on the wrist from the regulatory bodies of the US all the time for manipulating important markets and important market benchmarks. Um, so you know that's all important to include. But the other
56:22thing I'll bring up here because I don't want to give up too much about what we're going to discuss in in part two before we have it um is that according to CP his whole goal is really to uh have Poly Market among other things be the future of news. And this is part of uh their reasoning behind their partnership with X, formerly Twitter, which is probably why our article made Nicoter very mad. uh [laughter] because uh they want Poly Market and its you know market outcomes and and whatever to basically be treated as news stories and at the same time they've partnered with X of course they've partnered with Dow
56:59Jones the parent company of the Wall Street Journal um with Substack with tons of uh you know media platforms of extreme significance >> and they got also billions of dollars from the the IC the the giant exchange in New York.
57:15>> Yeah.
57:16>> Yeah. So, and their Palunteer program, >> the New York Stock Exchange. Oh, yeah.
57:19Well, the Palunteer being partnered with them is just an example of what I talked about earlier about how total information awareness and all the other programs at the information awareness office were always meant to interface.
57:30And so, of course, the modern iteration of total information awareness is partnered with the modern iteration of the policy analysis market.
57:38>> Yeah.
57:38>> Yeah.
57:39>> Yeah. Uh and I feel like this is again tale as old as time but I there has been a significant shift away from mainstream media. They do have a more difficult time in like the internet social media age of controlling narratives. We've seen that with Palestine and Israel. Um I mean prior to October 7th, it they were very it was easy for them to just tell CNN what to say about whatever was happening in Gaza and CNN would say it and most people were none the wiser. And now we have people who are actively on the ground in real time reporting things that are happening. And I think that they've they've known that this is a
58:14problem for a long time. They've seen the shift away from mainstream press. I think that as we talked about with the independent podcasters, that has been a very concentrated effort of um shifting people into those positions as they're losing the support in the mainstream press because then they can just kind of move things around. And this feels like this is just a really um effective offshoot of that strategy where they can use these markets and I mean just if you repeat it enough times people just start to believe it and then subconsciously they just accept that oh yeah we're going to attack Iran or we're going to
58:45whatever whatever. Um and it just becomes like this accepted reality when in fact it was just a manufactured one.
58:51So I mean that's to me I feel like is just a really terrifying aspect. I mean, with everything else going on, the AI and all of the other stuff where we don't even know what's real anymore, this is just another.
59:02>> Yeah. Yes.
59:03>> Eric Schmidt of Google and Henry Kissinger wrote a book saying this is what AI will do like five or six years ago.
59:10>> Yeah. And it's again been a very effective >> and they're they're what they were saying about it is like once you can't tell what's real and what's not, you'll need a trusted AI to help sort through the noise for you.
59:22>> Yeah. Obviously an AI that they control.
59:25Great.
59:26>> And and that also this trust, right?
59:28This technological trust is a huge part of what the the kind of the lie that is, you know, the poly market play right now of this idea that well markets can't be wrong, right? Like there's an inherent truth to markets. There's an there's an element of that that is true, right?
59:46Like the price is the price. That's true, right? I mean you cannot argue uh with the price of like oil right I mean it just that is the price the price of gold or whatever of course that that is factually correct and that is because of market participants actions buyers and sellers yes that is true but that doesn't mean that it's like an accurate fair price that is based on you know normal conditions of a market you can have a huge buyer or a huge short seller or someone manipulating literally the exchange like display of the price you know, like who is the who is the trusted party that displays this the ticker
60:24price of your stock or of your commodity? And and Poly Market is has is playing that same role as like the oracle of how do these bets pay out? And there's been a bunch of issues with this where we've seen stuff like um you know that uh bets pay out that um you know uh there's been big lawsuits and people that lost a bunch of money because they were correct but the terms of the bet weren't actually um held in in um in the finalization and the payouts. And you know, there's a bunch of different iterations and examples of that and you can go look them up. But basically, the the the technological issue is that, you
61:06know, all of these things are are uh you know, they're they're based on cryptocurrency smart contracts, right?
61:14And that that sounds really cool, right?
61:17Smart contracts. That sounds like these are really complicated, cool, but they're actually very dumb. They're really stupid pieces of programming that need and necessitate if you're if you're betting on uh you know, will Argentina win the World Cup? You need to have some trusted source be able to input into that smart contract, yes, Argentina won the World Cup, pay out everybody that bet. Yes. But who is that source? Who is the person that gets to say Argentina won? Is it ESPN? Is it CNN? Is it, you know, so Poly Market is working with all of these media companies to build up this idea that this is a decentralized
61:56truth and that the oracle that gets to decide who wins or loses is somehow decentralized. But it's not. They control the payouts at the end of the day. These things, this idea of solving the Oracle problem, it is a computer science problem that has plagued internet-based consensus for a long time and it has not been solved. and they found ways to offiscate the centralization and the control, but it is still there.
62:21>> If you ever want to see Shane Coplin be extremely uncomfortable in interviews, just look for anytime he's asked about how Poly Market deals with the Oracle problem, >> right? And so, and so this concept of the Oracle problem, how do you determine the winner or loser of a of an online bet? You know, this was something that was supposedly was solved by Poly Market's predecessor, which we haven't talked about too much today, which is Augur. Um, and there was this guy Joey Kug who was another whiz kid. He was he was mining Bitcoin at 15 years old in his room. And you know, uh, he he comes up with this idea of, hey, let's let's
62:58make prediction markets using cryptocurrency because the issue with gambling and prediction markets as they had been previously is that they were still relying on rail, payment rails like credit card companies or bank wires that were still within the jurisdiction of the United States. And if you're doing some illegal offshore gambling site, you're funding, you know, you you have this this really big attack vector and that is your your your funding payment rails. And so credit card companies, banks, you know, they weren't participating in in offline gambling because they didn't want their you know, shuttered by the government. So
63:31they were able to close these offshore gambling accounts and and previous iterations of prediction markets by attacking the choke point, which is payments.
63:41these guys all came together the the in in our argument it's the PayPal nexus the teal nexus that created digital currency whether it was just PayPal or the modern iterations today like an Ethereum which is what all the stable coins run on like tether and USDC and what poly market runs on it runs on a layer two of Ethereum we don't need to get into the technical it's boring it will put you to sleep but it it runs on polygon um and it's this layer two of Ethereum but Ethereum was developed by Vitalic Bdderin under the Teal Fellowship. He was being paid by the Teal Foundation um or the Teal Fellowship to develop this more
64:20expressive complicated version than what you could do on Bitcoin. Um [snorts] and when Joey Krug was developing Augur, he was actually really influenced by this paper um called Truthcoin by this guy Paul Stok about predictive markets using Bitcoin. and Vitalik went to him and went, "No, no, Joey. Joey, Joey, don't do it on Bitcoin. Come do it on Ethereum. Come hang out with us. We're going to do it on this thing." And then Teal gives Joey Kug a bunch of money in a teal fellowship.
64:47>> And then my favorite part, they decide at Augur, Joey Kug decides, how about we make our logo a oneeyed pyramid, which is the same logo that Total Information Awareness had, which was like a oneeyed pyramid beaming. The eye is beaming all over the earth. It's just like surveilling the whole planet.
65:08>> Yeah. Again, just a stunning lack of creativity.
65:11>> Market logo also has the pyramid beaming all over everything. It's like, oh my god, guys.
65:17>> Right. But but I mean there there's absolutely something to be said about like well if they want predictive markets to exist because they want to do futury and a lot of these new form of governance that are downstream you know that's where all this philosophy was in the '9s and the 80s but mostly the '9s about predictive markets was this idea of creating a new form of governance called futurarchy that uses people betting on policies and values rather than voting on them and that that is the pure vote. because there's future.
65:50>> Yeah. I mean, we're actually out of time. I we've I mean, again, I knew this was going to happen. We were going to run out of time and we weren't going to be able to get into everything, but I mean, that is I mean, that is exactly where this is headed. And I feel like that's I encourage everybody to go. It is Listen, it's a monster piece. It's very long. It I had to read through it in bits and pieces. Um I took notes like I'm a big notew writer. So, but and part two is going to be coming, so it's going to be even further. And I would love to have you guys back on once that comes out so we can get into, you know, more
66:19of this. Um, but I feel like this is something that, as I said, these predictive markets are so ubiquitous now. Like they're everywhere. There's all of these different branches popping up. They're I mean, they've just become part of society. And I feel like they are 100% being used to they've been weaponized from the jump to manipulate us, manipulate everything. The point about the futurarchy thing, which is the bulk of part two, is that not only are they trying to manipulate media narratives like you brought up Misty, but the goal is to have this be a key part of a new system of governance replacing our current form of
66:52governance. Yeah. Whereby whatever the poly market or like the predictive outcome is from one of these prediction markets will be used to decide policy in lie of elections.
67:03>> Yeah. And that's where we're Yes. That's where we're headed. And I feel like that needs I mean we I mean we just have to be >> I mean I don't even know if it matters if we're >> and I know we are running out of time here and I just wanted to throw in a quick we actually just started a new podcast to just be able to sit down and talk about it's like the idea is like the the article is the meat and the potatoes and the sides and it's a whole big feast and it's a multi-day feast and there's so much there and then let's make this little thing where we sit down and we talk literally in this same room
67:34>> because not a lot of people read. People don't have time to read, but they have time to listen. So, yes, we know people have been asking for us to do this for years. Now, we're doing it.
67:43>> Yes.
67:44>> And it's publicly available already, the first one, uh, for members of Unlimited Hangout, but the public release will be next week, including on YouTube, which I have generally avoided most of my career. Yeah. Um, but the one of the reasons we're doing it is if you think you've been watching videos of me on YouTube, you most likely have not. Uh, I've done maybe like four interviews all year. Um, and the rest is AI slop. And so I we can't uh report impersonators of me or Unlimited Hangout without having a YouTube channel ourselves.
68:17>> Yeah. So it's it's unlimited podcast. So check it out and we'll see you Monday morning. And >> and everybody can go Winn's on uh Twitter. Uh everybody can go follow her.
68:28Mark is also on Twitter. And then this is just the piece. And then of course go to Unlimited Hangout. Tons of great reporting there on this and other things. Obviously Whitney's Epstein stuff has been incredible over the years. So everybody go check that out.
68:42Check out the podcast. It's coming. Uh guys, thank you so much. I appreciate you taking this much time. I apologize for taking this much time, but this article really required it. So um >> it's all good. We definitely understand it's a lot.
68:53>> Yeah. Thank you so much for having us.
68:54>> Made my brain hurt a little bit. Okay.
68:56[laughter] >> All right, guys. Thank you. I appreciate it.
69:00>> Bye. Thanks.
69:01>> Bye. Thank you. All right, guys. That was Whitney and Mark. That was a lot. My brain does actually hurt a little bit.
69:08So, I think uh Misha's going to come in and do some super chats perhaps.
69:13>> Yes, I am. My brain hurts, too.
69:15>> Yeah, it's a lot.
69:18>> Thank you. Thank you for that, Misty and Whitney and Mark. Uh, all right. Brad Gilbert is the first out the gate instead of Whitney. Rogan had Carrot Top. I was worried about Carrot Top. All the proof. Kerp and Jimmy should need that. Rogan's All the proof. Ker and Jimmy should need that Rogan's. Oh, a useful idiot. Okay.
69:41I thought I was reading that right.
69:43Okay. Brad doesn't like Joe Rogan. Uh, thank you, Brad. Aquarian Conspiracy.
69:47Thank you for that little donation and the little fox, I think, is the emoji.
69:54Vantic gets Prime. I'm so glad the guy I voted for is doing the thing I didn't want the other guy to do.
70:00Vanticus Prime is back again.
70:01Everything's a scam. Everything's a lie.
70:03Everything's hypocrisy. And so you don't comply. T-Bone, have a great show, Misty. Loving your guest lineup. And Kit is dope. Uh yeah, Kit is going to be on in just well, as soon as I'm done reading these. So here, let me keep reading. Thank you, T-Bone. Alejandro, I'm so glad to see you guys here today.
70:22The propaganda they repeated for this war that disgusted me to see people fell for was the weapons and killing of civilians always right before we go in works. Thank you, Alejandro.
70:37Uh, hey, that's it. And um, we are going to Misty, you all set? Yep. Throw it back to Misty. All >> righty. All right, guys. Uh, that was fantastic. Again, thanks to Whitney and Mark. That was a lot. Um, yeah, my brain really does hurt every time I read Whitney's stuff, so uh, talking about it was also pretty intimidating. Um, okay.
70:57So, we're gonna move on. Uh, thank you again for tuning in to the Jimmy Door Show. I'm your guest host, Misty Winston. And I'm very excited. I haven't seen my pal Kit in a long time. Uh, but my pit cab, my pal Kit Cabelloo from Hardland's Media is joining me. Uh, he's going to be my trusty little sidekick here for the rest of the show. So, Kit, it's good to see you, my friend. How are you?
71:16>> Uh, I'm doing good. It's a heat wave, so I have to dress a little light. There's smog, so why not? Probably it's our corporate overlords trying to use bug repellent to get rid of us. And uh hey, we're living in a neoliberal nightmare, but it's always good to be back on the Jimmy Door show. [laughter] Shout out shout out to Mish. Shout out to to the whole team at Jimmy Door, you know, for having me back on. People said, "Hey, kid, when are you going to be back on?"
71:39>> It's just timelines in matchup. I'm working a couple different jobs here and you know it's just another day in uh the USA living the dream which is the nightmare.
71:48>> Yeah. I mean we got you have to laugh sometimes cuz uh >> of course >> that's all we have. Um okay so let's talk about Trump's speech shall we?
71:55Because uh Trump gave a speech last night and it was funny. Um so uh we're going to pull this up here. So it says uh major breaking major. Uh, President Trump says 220 million US voter files were stolen by the People's Republic of China and says the intelligence was deliberately covered up by deep state actors within the US government. And here's why that's funny. He's really doing China gate, guys. His very own Russia gate. We need new script writers.
72:22So unoriginal. I mean, this is insane, Kit. Here we go again. Um, I mean, the reason why my Twitter handle is Comrade Misty is Putin's buddy is because of Russia gate. So now I'm wondering, how do you say Comrade in Chinese and Mandarin? like how do I cuz do I need to change my name now because we're going to do China gate? Like what is happening here? Uh let's I think I actually have the I think I have the clip here of him.
72:42I do here. Let's let's listen to what he had to say about China stealing all of our votes.
72:47>> Lovely. Over a period of years, starting during the 2020 election cycle, the People's Republic of China carried out what is believed to be the largest compromise of election data in history, resulting in China's illicit acquisition of 220 million US voter files. That information includes names, addresses, phone numbers, political party preferences, and other sensitive data that would be needed to register to vote and engage in other nefarious activities, which is exactly what was happening. This data loss presents an unprecedented election security nightmare. The intelligence even shows that China has signed a data
73:34exploitation unit specifically to this new project. Compounding the travesty, the second set of documents we are releasing reveals that members of the deep state, very very famous group of people, many cases in our intelligence agency work to actively suppress and downplay information about the extent of China's sinister election meddling, covering it up from both the president and the American people like nobody thought was possible.
74:09Okay. Well, there's a couple things to unpack here. Number one, uh when he when that teleprompter was being brought up, did the new guy do any polyarket bets on the side? Uh number two, um you know, when you had the wonderful Whitney Webb on, I couldn't help but laugh because here's the thing, we are now in the UNO reverse card where Russia gate was a big thing and right-wingers and libertarians were being targeted and wrongly censored, which I was against. And now, oh no, it's China gate and somehow it's a deep state. Deep state? Do they mean Mossad and the CIA being tag team champions again? Because when I think
74:40China gate, I'm thinking, was it Israel who did it or was it some other country?
74:45Cuz it's Russia. It's China. But yet Apac is the babysitter to all of Congress. I don't see any Russian or Chinese babysitters unless they were sponsored and sent in by Apac. So I think it's very clear here that this is just making it up as he goes along to cause another panic. Well, and I also want to bring up uh a little something um that obviously if you know me, you know I'm about to bring this up. Uh so in 2017, Wikileaks revealed released uh Vault 7, which if you're unfamiliar, Vault 7 was the largest CIA leak in history. Um and it in those releases, there was a whole host of really terrifying stuff. the way that they're
75:22able to spy on you through your phone and your smart TV and the way they're able to hack into your car, your automobile, all of that stuff. Um, so just some really I if you haven't read it, you should. Um, because it's crazy.
75:35But this this is what I wanted to talk about in terms of China gate because Wikileaks reveals marble framework used by the CIA to make hard the attribution.
75:44So here's what this means. So, Wikileaks released the third batch of the CIA Vault 7 archive that sheds light on anti-forensics tools used by the intelligence agency. The first branch of CIA documents from Vault 7 was related to hacking tools and techniques, while the second batch included detailed info about hacking tools specifically designed to hack smart TVs, Android handhelds, Apple iPhones, Macs, and Windows systems. This third lot of documents, dubbed Marble, includes the source code files for the anti-forensic Marble framework. It contains 676 source code files of a secret anti-forensic
76:16marble framework. The experts from the CIA have developed the marble framework to make hard forensics activities on its malicious codes. The code used by the CIA was able to evade detection implementing various techniques. For example, it is able to detect if the code runs in virtual machine sandbox.
76:32The marble platform, this is the this is the crux. The marble platform makes hard the attribution of the attacks. The documents show how CIA can conduct a cyber attack in a way experts attri attributed to other countries including Russia, China, North Korea and Iran. So basically what they are saying is the CIA has the capability to enter into a computer and listen I am not a computer expert. So if I sound like an idiot, it's because I am. I don't know the terminologies and all of that stuff. But as a lay person, the what I understand this to mean is that the CIA has the capability of entering into a computer
77:08system and inserting code that is in Russian or Chinese or what Farsy, whatever they want, whatever language that they want in order to make it appear as if it were a foreign actor.
77:23>> So I'm just putting that out there because we are now seeing these documents come out. We're seeing Trump talk about how there's all this evidence. There's all this evidence that China interfered. And I'm not saying, Kit, that China doesn't attempt to interfere with our elections. They absolutely do. As does every other major country on earth. Right.
77:41>> Everyone does. Yes.
77:42>> Every everybody. Everybody. Nobody does it more than we do. No one on earth does it more than we do. And in fact, >> we're world heavyweight champions. We are the world heavyweight champions when it comes to this. And one thing I want to add in here is that look, I mean, I get it. Humans, we're we're tribal. We go against each other. We've been doing it since the dawn of time. We're we're experts at killing ourselves and no no species will will ever take that away from us. But what I want everyone to take away from this is that when you are afraid of your neighbor the other and you have an institution that's been
78:13lying and getting us into these ridiculous wars over and over again and then defending the corporations that need a bailout, you know, one has to wonder, okay, are we really under attack? because it wouldn't be the first time ever, not including America, a government weaponizing its intelligence services or perhaps an organization to undermine its own people, to hurt its own people. Because when you have a self-aware society, they're going to want a government institutions to represent them and fight for their best values. As soon as people start wising up and realizing, hey, we're not being represented because Apac is taking
78:46control. lobby groups, big oil, the prison industrial complex are taking over and we're getting nothing. Of course, we're going to say, "Hey, why are you doing this to us? Is it is it Russia that's denying us healthcare? Is it China that's making sure our streets have potholes? Is it North Korea that's putting flack cameras all over our all over our communities? And was it O Canada hiding the Epstein files?" No, we're doing this to ourselves and our politicians that are supposed to represent us, they're they're the biggest backstabbers of them all. So, it comes as no surprise that they would say like, "Oh, well,
79:21China, China." Well, gee, everyone say the same thing about Russia, Russia, Russia, and that was one big nothing burger.
79:27>> Yeah. Well, and that's what's so frustrating about this is because this will play with a certain segment of the population. Trump supporters, MAGA supporters are absolutely gonna I mean, we've already seen it today online. and everybody's hyperventilating about China and people are talking about we've got to revoke student visas and we've got to do this and we've got to do that and it is re it's just really frustrating to me because um as you just mentioned China is not preventing us from having healthcare. China hasn't introduced into illegal wars. China isn't aiding and funding a genocide. China isn't uh
79:58destroying our education system. I mean I live in Ohio. My my roads are nothing but potholes. Meanwhile, there are data centers popping up every which way. I mean, they want to tell us that we can't water our lawns and we need to shorten our showers, but we're going to build a gazillion data centers that are going to, you know, take all of our our clean water. I mean, it's it's absurd that anybody we need to clean our own house first. You know what I'm saying? Like, we need to clean our own house first.
80:20And again, as I just mentioned, nobody does this stuff more than the United States government. I have here uh James Wolsey um who I think he's ex CIA uh director and he's talking about the fact that the CIA interferes in elections.
80:33It's what we do.
80:34>> You ever tried to meddle in other count's elections?
80:37>> Oh, probably. But uh it was for the good of the system in order to avoid the communists from taking over. For example, in Europe uh in 47 48 49 the Greeks and the Italians. We >> We don't do that now though. We don't mess around other people's elections.
80:53Jim Yum, yum, yum.
80:55>> Yes, we do.
80:56>> Only for a very good cause.
80:57>> Can you do that? Let's do a Vine video on this. Former CI director.
81:00>> Only for a very good cause in the interest of democracy.
81:03>> Thanks for being here. It's always great.
81:04>> Interest of democracy, kid. That's all.
81:07>> Well, I I want to point out something here. You know, let's talk about democracy. We're going to go back to 1950. There was this country called Iran. No, no one's ever heard of it. And there was this national government there. And, you know, I'm giving this the short nitty-gritty of it. You know, they wanted to use the oil to uplift their people. Yes. no such thing as a perfect government. And you know, uh, apparently, uh, British Oil, American Oil, CIA, British intelligence didn't like that. Got the shot and and then nothing bad happened. Oh, wait. The Ayatollah of Rock and Roller took over
81:36and that's why we're in the spot that we are now because we undermined a potential democracy in the Middle East or in Iran and that that didn't cause any problems at all. Happy ending, sunshines, and rainbows, right? Oh, wait. But then we did it over and over again in other countries too. Do we want to talk about Vietnam? Do we want to talk about Ho Chi Min?
81:58>> I mean, we can talk about what's the the it's the animeaniacs gif where they're uh they go through all of the countries and they're like, "These are the countries that the United States has interfered in their elections." And it's everybody. It's literally everybody.
82:10It's what we do. And we always use the same excuse that he just used. Oh, we got to stop the communists. Oh, we got to protect democracy. It's never about that. It's always about um uh overthrowing democratically elected leadership, installing puppet dictators, stealing resources, and controlling populations. That's what it is. Has nothing to do with democracy. Has nothing to do with, you know, the communists or whatever the they want to sell you in order to make you afraid enough to be fine with it. Um that's absurd. That is absolutely absurd. It is crazy that anybody even believes that at this point, but they do. I mean,
82:41unfortunately, people still fall for this stuff. Um, so >> I' I'd go on to something else here, too, because maybe I I have a new Twitter handle name for you because instead of comrade uh Misty Putin's buddy, you could be like Xi Jinping, you know me. Like from the old dirty bastards.
82:56[laughter] >> Seriously, I need to figure out how to how do you say comrade in Chinese?
83:01Anybody know? I can change my handle today. I at one point I did when we when we did the Venezuela thing a few years ago, I did change it to Comrade Misti as Maduro's amigga for a little while, but then we instantly went back to blaming Russia for everything. So I just changed it back. So uh >> and then we arrested and then we arrested Maduro and uh whatever happened there.
83:19>> Arrested, we kidnapped, let's just be honest. [laughter] Um so this is just just to finish up this article here. It says, "Today, uh, March 31st, 2017, Wikileaks releases Vault 7 Marbles, 676 codes, uh, source code files for the CIA's secret anti forensic marble framework. Marble's used to hamper forensic investigators, and antivirus companies from retributing viruses, Trojans, and hacking attacks to the CIA. Um, Marble does this by hiding, obuscating text fragments used in CIA malware from visual inspection. This is the digital equivalent equivalent of a specialized CIA tool to place covers
83:51over the English language text on US produced weapon systems before giving them to insurgents secretly backed by the CIA. Um, again, it just basically this is just explaining that this is uh the tool that they use to go in and insert foreign languages to make it appear as if it was a foreign actor when really it's just CIA messing with our own stuff. Uh, and I'm not saying that that's what happened here. I'm just saying that we I just want you to know this is possible. Uh Wikileaks revealed this in 2017. And again, um as I always try to do when I talk about Julian Assange and Vault 7. Uh this was March
84:23of 2017. Julian Assange was already years into illegal and arbitrary detention in the Ecuadorian embassy in London. He was already public enemy number one of the world's largest empire. And he released the largest CIA leak in history. And I wish I had balls that big. I'm just saying. what happened to him was not only criminal, but it was a sign of just how corrupt our institutions were and how our media at at least until the very end when they said, "Oh yeah, him being detained, it was kind of a bad thing." Only at the end did they show and I'm being generous here cuz I know Misty >> after me badgering them for years.
84:58>> Are you kidding me? You're the world heavyweight champion. That's why I call you one of the dauntless few for actually speaking up for Julian Assange.
85:04been there since day one dealing with everything and now everyone's like, "Huh, that was that was very bad of what happened."
85:11>> Maybe that was a bad thing. I don't know.
85:12>> Yeah. And and the thing is it set a precedence for online censorship. It set a precedence for a lot of colleagues in independent media that have lost so much attention. I mean, it's the jack Buddhist censorship that we are dealing with now. And unfortunately, uh, you know, a lot of people could will will eat up the fact, oh, it's Russia attacking us. Oh, it's China attacking us. You know, did we >> us attacking us?
85:35>> Did we also forget like this is the same US government now that's telling us that aliens, UFOs, and interdimensional beings are now real? So, everyone's coming at us.
85:44>> But it all seems made up. All seems like it's one big distraction for the fact of our government's been hiding association with most prolific human trafficker in international history. One named Jeffrey Epstein and oh wait, his wonderful partner Gelain Maxwell who's in Club Fed.
86:00>> Yeah. Well, there you go, guys. Uh, China is hacking into our elections. All right, and speaking of Epstein, uh, we're going to move on. So, again, thank you so much for tuning in to the Jimmy Door Show. I'm your guest host, Misty Winston, and that's my pal kit. Uh, he's my plucky kes sidekick. Kidesick, sidekick, >> kidesick, >> whatever. You guys know I can't talk.
86:18This is not new information. I talk too fast and my brain works faster than my mouth does and that doesn't always work out for me. Um, so I did want to talk about Epstein though because as everybody I'm sure is fully well aware, uh, JD Vance, vice president of the United States, JD Vance, uh, couch connoisseur JD Vance, uh, went on Joe Rogan and he had a lot of interesting things to say. I think Jimmy talked about some of, uh, what he had to say maybe about Iran. Um, but I I wanted to talk about the Epstein pieces that uh that were in here because I I think that this, as you just mentioned, we're
86:53there's a lot of distractions going on and not a single person has been arrested on the Epstein files yet. And that is a very frustrating thing to me that there is um a mountain of evidence supporting the existence of a global child sex trafficking ring that implicates people in extreme at extreme levels of power and influence. And nobody is going to be arrested for that.
87:11And that is a very disturbing fact. Uh, and it is just it really depressing to me. So, JD Vance went on Joe Rogan. Um, and here's a piece where they're talking about um Epstein being MSAD or CIA. And I thought that this was super interesting. Um, especially in contrast to what uh Carolyn Leit had to say. Uh, Levit Leave it. I always say her name wrong. Let me make sure I'm getting the right clip. I have too many of them up.
87:35Is this one? Oh, >> that's trying to get me to meet them.
87:39>> Nope. Wrong one. Sorry. Oh, I should have marked these better. My apologies.
87:43>> It's all good. Just remember folks, >> well, thank you. Assad.
87:47>> Yeah. Msad or CIA or some other deep state, whether in America or Israel or another country or or both. Um, >> you know, look, was he he clearly had connections to the upper the highest levels of American intelligence? He clearly had connections to the highest levels of Israeli intelligence.
88:07>> Duh.
88:08>> Yeah, of course. The the files showed that he knew everybody from Hollywood bigwigs, music producers, doctors, scientists, Wall Street executives, big bankers, royalty ministers, so siners, and wait, Democrat and Republican politicians, Bill Clinton, Donald Trump.
88:24Whoa, where' that come from?
88:25>> Right. Right. And again, I think as you were just saying, I highly like please go watch the full thing for yourself.
88:32It's obviously very long. It's a Joe Rogan episode, but I don't want you to take these clips and think that I'm like trying to frame things a certain way. go watch it for yourself, inform yourself about what he actually had to say about all of this stuff. Um, I think that that's important obviously. Uh, but I just thought that that clip was super interesting because there you have JD Vance admitting that yes, this guy had ties to high level Israeli and American util intelligence. Like that is we that's not even up for debate. It's not even something that anybody I think would even attempt to contradict. But
89:01then you have here we go. It's just a hoax, guys. If you look at how this Epstein story sort of evolved over the past week, it's classic Washington hoax.
89:11Yes.
89:12>> You have Democrats on the oversight committee leaking redacted information to their favorite reporter at CNN who then pops the story with that redacted information and does not reveal that the unredacted version is available. And the unredacted version proves that the so-called victim in this email is a woman who is unfortunately deceased. but prior to her death said on numerous occasions that President Trump never did anything wrong and was always incredibly friendly in her >> incredibly friendly guys.
89:44>> Oh, buddies and pals all around. Here's the here's the real breakdown. Uh there have been so many women who reported that Gelain Maxwell was far worse than Epstein. And that's saying much. There have been victims who have died deceased under mysterious circumstances when they gave no indication that they were uh would partake in selfdeion. Got to be careful because of because of guidelines. I guess you have to be careful here and there. Unfortunately, hey, we're a free society. And speaking of a free society, how is it that this is the same Jeffrey Epstein who had blackmail material on the richest people
90:18in the world? One can make an argument that he probably never paid a bill cuz he had his people, his billionaire friends. Oh, looking like at Bill Gates, for example, you know, maybe flip the bill for some of his stuff. I mean, you you don't just have mansions and huge nice New York apartment buildings or London. Look, that stuff isn't cheap, folks.
90:38>> No, >> high-rise places like that don't buy themselves. They don't knock on your door and say like, "Hey, I bought myself just for you. We don't live in that world. It'll be a great world, but we don't." And so, in turn, who gave him the money? How did he get this money?
90:50How's he able to fund this kind of lifestyle? It's because he has the knowhow and the connections with people in power. Look at New Mexico with the Zoro ranch. What he was allowed to get away with over there. Boy, I would have loved to have some flock cameras there to capture in real time what happened to the bodies or who was going on to that ranch.
91:08>> Yeah. Well, and then again, I mean, we just had Whitney Webb on that. Everybody go read Whitney's work on Jeffrey Epstein. One Nation under blackmail. Uh she goes into and Epstein's history is weird. Like it's just crazy. He was given a teaching job. He doesn't he's not a teacher. Like all of the things that he was uh allowed to do, get away with all of that stuff. I mean, it's very obvious to me that he was an asset um of definitely the United States and certainly Israel. Um I don't I just don't think that's up for debate. But the idea that they're still trying to use the hoax line for any aspect of this
91:40story and it's also very frustrating to me that she's they're trying to essentially victim blame and say and I've heard her do it. I think Vance also did it in the Rogan episode. I'm not sure if I pulled that clip or not, but he talks about how the redaction process was difficult because um some of these women who were initially victims then became perpetrators and but they're still victims. Like there are even if they were brought in once you're brought into that situation, you are then fearful for your life and you kind of just have to do whatever you have to do to survive. And so were they also
92:10recruiting girls and all of that? Yes, for sure. But they didn't have much choice. and the idea that they're trying to victim blame them and act as if they are now the bad guy that we need to be in it that it just makes me very angry when they do that stuff. I would actually go even further because look with somebody like Epstein, you just don't know what he will do and right you know it's it's again some of the women that parttook in this or other people part perhaps it's acting rational in an irrational situation to where you see this one person have influence over local state federal politicians judges
92:46police officers sheriffs and no one's touching him >> you you could get the the menace of fear there and I find it interesting that you have the same Trump administration now saying or indicating that there's hoaxes or that there's some fake news when I could just rewind back the clocks to 2019 when all this started and a lot of conservative right-wing channels were talking about this. Yes, people on the left were talking about it too, but a lot of people made their bones, got all the figgy pudding, all the viewership, all the subscribers, all the donations talking about the Epstein files. And as
93:18soon as Trump got reelected, they got the memo to shut up. And then of course, how could we remember or forget the infamous right-wing influencers jumping up and down by by with the binders on the White House. If I was there, I would be so embarrassed that people be jumping up and down because that's a somber moment. But no, because that was all for show.
93:37>> Yes.
93:37>> And now that Trump is in and saying that nothing happened until what happened in February of this year, all that came crashing down. All became revealed. And that was just a drop in the bucket. You know, I I'm talking about the Epstein files. It wasn't too long ago where I even mentioned that Epstein had his own tribe of doctors, his own group of doctors. Yeah. That would uh oversee women uh that were in his services. I mean, he kept a lot of >> many forced abortions and um reproductive health care, birth control, pap smears, all of those things, I'm sure, were handled um because he can't have them going to a regular doctor.
94:15They might tell somebody. You know what I'm saying? So, >> exactly. There's no question. He had a whole host of people working under him, with him, for him, beside him, all of that. And that's what's so frustrating.
94:25We There's plenty of evidence to support this stuff. And not a single person other than Gilling Maxwell is in jail.
94:31Not a single person is in jail. And that is just it blows my mind. You would think >> is she really in jail? She's at Clubfed, which is like for white collar criminals. And when you have those same white collar criminals, >> she's on vacation basically. Um >> saying, "Hey, we don't want her here."
94:45You know that cuz cuz that's what they said. like you had all these white colored criminals saying like what are you bringing her here for? We don't want her here. And they let her on in.
94:52>> Yeah, it's despicable. But uh Okay, so there's another clip here that I wanted to talk about. So um and it talks a little bit about what you were just mentioning with the binders. So the purpose of the per because that was all so very performative and stupid and embarrassing. And again, I will say it again, anybody who was involved with those shenanigans, I I don't how why do you still have a platform? Not saying that they should be silenced or censored, but why is anybody watching them? They should have zero credibility left with the American public. That is that was such a disgusting display that
95:19I can't even like I don't even have words or a I'm not even able to fully comprehend how just vile that was. So, let's take a listen what he has to say about that performative display uh that they they put on there.
95:29>> Again, like say this with all cander, like we absolutely screwed up the comms of the Epstein files. Like we just did.
95:37But do I think the reason we screwed up the comms is because we were trying to hide something? No. I think the reason we screwed up the comms of the Epstein files is one, you know, Pam said Pam Bondi said the client list is on my desk, right?
95:51>> Well, see, they had binders. They were they were standing in front, but those binders were largely documents that had already been released, right? So, so here's let me try to let the purpose [clears throat] of that performative display of the annoyed and she was saying there's tens of thousands of hours of film I don't know what the purpose of it was, but I know that the effect of it was to make people mistrust the entire effort. And I think what I think was happening, look, I I know Pam, I like Pam. I don't think there was anything malicious going on. I think Pam was trying to respond to the political
96:27moment. I think she overstated what we had and what we didn't have. And I think that she, you know, got got roasted for it publicly by a lot of people, including me. Like, >> yeah, they're they're throwing Pam Bondi under the bus on that one. The the Dow the Dow is over 50. Yes. But what about the victims? But the Dow the Dow Jones.
96:46No. First of all, people I remember early on Trump was applauding how she handled herself until oh, he read the rooms like, "Okay, well, we need a sacrificial lamb." That was an absolute embarrassment and an insult to the victims that were standing right behind her. Because when Trump got elected, you know, he made promises to be transparent. He did talk about the Epstein files, but when it came pushed to shove, he was forced by Representative Thomas Massie and Roana.
97:11And Massie, I think in my opinion, he's the only person who's been punished. He lost his seat.
97:15>> Yeah.
97:16>> I mean, I don't have to like him on all of his other policies, but of all the people, gee, that's the guy that loses his seat. That's the guy who loses his election. Kentucky.
97:24>> They spent what, $30 million? Israel and Apac spent $30 million unseating him in Kentucky.
97:30>> Kentucky. You got a guy from Chicago. We got corrupt politicians here. We got a history of questionable elections. But I got to tell you, Kentucky, you guys could have done better.
97:39>> Yeah. Yes. 100%. Yes. And that whole display was genuinely disgusting. And the idea I mean, I think it was a Libs a Tik Tok lady. I can't remember her name.
97:47Shia or whatever. It doesn't matter. She whatever. Uh but she she was literally like bouncing around smiling, holding this binder up that is supposed to be filled with evidence of child sex abuse.
97:59And >> why are you smiling, ma'am? Like, what are you doing? The absolute just complete lack of awareness of the moment. it. I I I have my own theory and probably, you know, there's others that have maybe a more better explanation, but for those who >> reach the peak of influence where you get millions of subscribers, millions of views, you lose your ability to understand human emotions, and you're just only focused on the camera and the likes and the views and the >> Yes.
98:29>> admiration from dieh hard followers because humans sadly are creatures of habit. So, you asked early on like why people still follow them. It's because it's what keeps them comfortable and they're not going to think ahead when in fact what you want from an audience is to critically challenge you, give you constructive criticism and feedback. You don't want to be surrounded by arping seals. You want people to be >> Well, some people do want to be surrounded by >> Yeah. But see, but >> Yeah. And and see and see those people don't don't add anything to the conversation. What they want is to be seen, have the lights and camera on
99:00them. The whole goal of independent media is to get everyone who's watching this show right now and all independent media to be actively involved and to actually stand up and realize that the two-party system was owned not only by people like Epstein, but others that are leading into these pointless wars. And just because Epstein is gone, >> air quote, I h I have my suspicions, right?
99:20>> But that's it. I'm leaving it there because I love Jimmy and everybody else.
99:23And then you have Miss Maxwell in jail, but you're going to look me in the eye and tell me that the Epstein network is gone. No, it's either being rebuilt or somebody or or people >> and he wasn't the only one. Like there were there are more Epstein out there.
99:37He was just one piece of that puzzle. I mean, we saw like the Diddy stuff. Diddy was the Epstein of Hollywood, right?
99:43Like there's there's multiple there's multiple layers to this and people are just uh assuming that because Epstein is gone that it's over and it's just not and it's uh it's going to keep continuing. So, uh here's where he kind of admits that yes, they did screw it up, which yeah, no kidding. No Sherlock. I want to say we mishandled the Epstein release. Guilty. We did mishandle especially the communications of it.
100:05>> What do you think should have been done?
100:06>> I think that we should have just dropped everything at the very beginning and like obviously it takes a little time to review the stuff to find the stuff to redact things where you have victims and so forth but we should have just done it as quickly as possible.
100:17>> But some of the stuff that was redacted some of the names that were redacted weren't victims.
100:22So yeah, I I I I've looked into this and >> my understanding of this, having looked at a lot of this, but not all of it, >> is that it is sometimes hard to draw a distinction between victim and co-conspirator. And like, let me highlight this in a very sort of obvious way. Ro Kana who's been one of the most one of the loudest voices on the Epstein file. Well, >> he became very loud on the Epstein files the minute Donald Trump became president. Didn't seem to care about it during the Biden administration.
100:52>> He actually brought one of the Epstein victims I think to the State of the Union last year or maybe it was the year before last.
100:59>> Well, like that victim >> and I'm not accusing I'm not saying she wasn't victim. Uh I don't know anything about her particular case. She was also listed as a co-conspirator in some of these documents. Right. There's an idea that some of the people who were engaged in the sex trafficking were also, you know, facilitating it as well.
101:16>> So, they were incentivized to get more girls.
101:19>> Yeah. But but what I but yes, that's right. But the the idea is that it's it's hard to sort of it's sometimes a little bit of a gray area between, you know, some of the people who were alleged victims were also alleged co-conspirators. And so what DOJ tried to do was kind of make that judgment as best they could and release as much as possible.
101:38>> You know, they could have had Wikileaks do it. They're pretty good at redactions. I'm just saying.
101:42>> Yeah. You know, and not not to mention, you know, hey, at this point, drop it because we know uh just how sociopathic our rich overlords are. I mean, they're more than happy to spy in on us, which again, these flock cameras, 90,000 of them have been proven to be hackable.
101:56And at least one YouTuber covered this in March.
101:58>> Yeah.
101:58>> Can you imagine? These are some Epstein or Epstein kind of douchebags, you know, looking at those cameras, looking at playgrounds, looking at parks and schools. We know that's happening. Those are your kids, everyone that's watching.
102:10We got a lot of people watching. So, everyone in the chat, maybe this should send a shiver down the back of your neck or something like that. But think about it. Your family, your friends, your granddaughters, grandsons, sons, daughters, nephews, nieces can all be susceptible to this system. And no one in any position of authority stopped Epstein. They knew about him. And I'm not going to believe that these rich people, these billionaires who are all buddy buddy with him are going to say, "Oh, well, we didn't know. You were in the top echelon of society. You're playing your Game of Thrones. You're
102:42telling me you're not keeping an eye on so and so over there or that person.
102:46You're not going to have your little assistants keeping you updates, giving you notes, because that's how these rich people play games with each other. They blackmail each other. They know each other." And Epstein was a masterclass tactician when it came down to that. And I hate even saying that. I'm vomiting in my brain even giving him that praise.
103:02But he had everything on everyone and no one lifted a finger. And now I'm supposed to believe that what you just can't read unleash other files about Epstein. This is the biggest story ever.
103:14And right now we're being distracted by wars and other BS, aliens and and all this other crap when in fact we need full transparency because our republic has has a sick virus in it. And the people that are associated with Epstein and all of his ilk >> need to be exposed and held accountable.
103:32But wait, I forget we're in America, so they're going to get away with it.
103:35>> Yeah, they are going to get away with it. And that's again, that's what it's so disturbing to me as a mother to know that the people who are in positions of power and authority are absolute sick and twisted psychopaths. Like just the most vile and repugnant human beings on earth. And even if you weren't directly involved in the things that Jeffrey Epstein was doing, you knew. You knew and you did nothing. You said nothing.
103:58It's just beyond my And listen, we're going to play a clip right now. Joe Rogan was able to sus this stuff out.
104:03Joe Rogan was able to figure out that Jeffrey Epstein was a creep. Uh that's weird that Joe Rogan, podcaster, meatthead, like he was able to figure it out. But the people in positions of power and authority who went to fancy colleges and hold fancy degrees and have these big titles, you couldn't figure it out. So, here we go.
104:23>> Yeah.
104:24>> When?
104:25>> 2017.
104:27>> See, that that's crazy to me cuz at that point, he'd already gone down for at least one like sex abuse thing.
104:32>> That was my possession. [laughter] >> I'll show you the emails. It's kind They're kind of funny. I actually read them on stage.
104:38>> You want to say Okay, fine.
104:39>> You people could find it. Yeah. I don't want to have the guy the guy's already ruined.
104:43>> Sure.
104:44>> But um but it's >> I Googled it and I'm I'm like, "What the are you talking about?"
104:51>> Yeah.
104:51>> Just a simple little Google search.
104:53That's all it took for Joe Rogan to figure out that Jeffrey Epstein is a creep.
104:56>> Yeah. And and the thing is what's what's interesting is how Epstein was trying or at least somebody was trying to at least allegedly get him on Rogan's show or something and Rogan wouldn't play ball which is fantastic.
105:08>> He just wanted to hook them up. like there was a guest on his show that he that he was like, "Hey, let me hook you up with this guy, Jeffrey Epste. He's like a finance year. He does all this stuff, whatever, whatever." And Joe Rogan like took the >> like did his due diligence and was like, "Let me Google this guy." And was like, "Oh, yeah. No, no, thank you."
105:27>> Exactly. And that's that's comes with the job because, you know, and I I do find uh Vance's uh I guess how he's presenting himself. He looks annoyed because he thought he was coming to a safe place. Now, you know, Rogan, I I question some of his things, especially when he was recently in Trump's White House for like >> I forget some sort of medicine for those dealing with psychosis or something of that issue. I I I have to look back at it, but it's like Rogan, you're being used by this administration. You need to start thinking ahead because these guys are not going to give you the clear answer. Trump had to have his arm
105:59twisted to have that whole dump of Epstein files be released in February of this year. He had to have his arm twisted. He was forced to it. If Trump had a choice, he probably never would have released it. And dare I say it, controversial statement here. Let's say if Biden or Kla won, they would not be talking about this either. The only reason why we got Democrats talking about is because it's a good political chip for them to use for them to >> I think Thomas Massie would have talked about it regardless.
106:23>> Yes, >> he's been pretty consistent. He's really the only one who's been consistent, but in that clip earlier where uh JD Vance threw some shade at Roana and said that he was pretty quiet during Biden, that's valid criticism. That is true. uh Democrats didn't say anything about this during the Biden administration. So, um that's just another one of those lines of hypocrisy where suddenly you care about something because the guy in control is no longer on your team and it's just really repugnant that anybody would ignore child sex abuse on a global scale like this. It's beyond my ability to comprehend. Um, but yeah, that's I
106:55mean that is valid criticism of Roana and I think Thomas Massie is really to my knowledge the only person who has held elected office throughout the course of this all these shenanigans who has been consistent on this issue and listen I have my issues with Thomas Massie don't get me wrong but on this he has been loud and consistent and I mean credit where it's due I guess >> and and and more importantly too when you talk about consistency will these same politicians now that Massie will be gone will they give the same fire and fury uh talking about the Epstein files because this is our big scandal. You
107:26know, we are the Roman Empire of the modern era. We are the top dog at least until until like all empires, they die violently because it's a violent phenomenon. But if we as citizens want to show the world like, hey, we're not for this, then we need to be self-aware.
107:41When you vote Democrat, when you vote Republican, you're voting for two parties that had people in it that turned a blind eye to Epstein's actions.
107:48And you think your vote matters? You think that person sitting in DC is going to think about you? Look, just New Mexico, Zoro Ranch, every echelon of power and authority and legal representation did nothing to stop Epstein and the activities on the Zoro ranch. You're going to tell me that all that was like, oh, they just didn't know or they couldn't do. Their hands are tied. See, Hollywood likes to lie to us.
108:13TV shows like to lie to us that, oh, something bad, people will step up. No, that's not the case. The game is I got money, you look the other way. I got money and I will cause you problems. I got a super lawyer and I will drag you and drag you and bury you. Which is why again I'm I'm I'm always going to say this, you know, if we want real change, we got to start stepping up our own actions and not rely on DC Massie.
108:36>> Yes.
108:36>> A rarity. A rarity.
108:39>> If you expect DC to represent you and fight for you, you got another thing coming. If you think the story has a happy ending, you're not paying attention.
108:46>> That's a level of naive that I just I I don't even understand at all. the idea that anybody in Washington DC gives at all gives at all not at all about you.
108:57You're not even a consideration.
108:58>> They care about their jobs. So a politician like AOC 2 years down the road, four years down the road, eight years down, they care about their jobs.
109:05>> Well, yeah, they it's whatever is politically advantageous to them at the time. It has nothing to do with you. You do not matter. They will pander to you.
109:13Um but they their actions are never going to be based on what you want, what you need, what is most important to you.
109:19It is always going to be based on how can they keep their job, how can they please their donors. That is it. They they're not in the business of helping people or serving people. That's not what they do. It's not at all what they do. Um, okay. Let's move on because now we're all terrorists, Kit. Okay. So, again, thank you for tuning in to the Jimmy Door Show. I'm your guest host for today, Misty Winston. That's Kit Cabelloo. He's from Hardlands Media. He is joining me today as my plucky sidekick. Uh, I'm so happy to have him here. So, listen, Kit. Um, did you know that we're all terrorists on the left?
109:48Everybody on the left is just a terrorist. So, Steven Miller, this guy is like a Bond villain. He is like a quintessential I'm not sure if there's a more evil >> guy. I mean, I don't know, there's some pretty evil people, but he just like his presentation is even evil. Uh, it's fascinating. So Steven Miller says, quote, "Here in the United States, we have taken the necessary and essential action formally recognizing left-wing violence as a form of political terrorism that is a direct threat to our national security and the survival of our republican form of government." So don't believe me? Here, I'm going to let
110:19you hear it from his own mouth. states, we have taken the necessary and essential action of formally recognizing left-wing violence as a form of political terrorism that is a direct threat to our national security and the survival of our republican form of government.
110:40President Trump issued a directive in our parlance. It's called a National Security Presidential Memorandum or NSPM, NSPM7 to be exact, that directs for the first time in American history, all of our law enforcement and intelligence agencies to work together to disrupt, identify, defund, debank, arrest, and prosecute these political terrorists that are operating in our country. It's very important to understand that left-wing political terrorism seeks as its ultimate end the overthrow of our system and form of government. And we've seen this has taken place many times in many places throughout the years. And Secretary
111:26Rubio has provided you many examples.
111:29Left-wing terrorism always ends in bloodshed, misery, and suffering. It only can travel in one direction.
111:39There's no point at which the left-wing terrorist is satisfied with his gains and ceases progressing. Inevitably, left to run its course, it always becomes a goolog. It always becomes the mass imprisonment of political enemies, the stripping of their rights and freedoms, inflicting immense pain, humiliation, suffering in order to establish complete and total control. control through psychological and physical and actual terror. And we have to understand that that is the scope and the extent of the threat that we face here in the >> He just described himself, kid.
112:21>> Yeah. Exactly. That's what you're doing.
112:23>> Sasha says what?
112:24>> Yeah. Okay. There's a couple things to unpack here. First of all, let's talk about um left-wing violence. Okay. Now, there's violence everywhere. I get it, folks. But I think things are getting so hypercharged and being exploded and being taken out of context due to the fact of AI, social media, and people being stuck in the tribal mindset of hating each other. Okay, first of all, that's the job of politicians to make everyone hate each other because if we got along, we'd have to hold them accountable and then they'd have to do their job, which is an anathema to them.
112:55Second, I have seen many of these protests here in Chicago. Okay, I want to talk about the Labor Day protest in 2025. This was before ice started really coming in here in Chicago when they were doing the ice raids. That was not a peak army in physically fit condition. Okay, Misty, if you and I went there, we'd probably swing on 30 people before they finally start obeying and getting on their knees listening to us. Okay, it'd be the world's most one-sided fist fight. They were not ready for anything and they keep on protesting and dancing in front of Trump Tower. I want to talk about the glorified parades. Shout out
113:25my friend Nick Thompson who came up with that phrase of the no kings protest.
113:29Okay. Uh Nick would call them glorified parades was what they are. You have people wearing their pink hats.
113:34That's not terrorism. That's just people trying to think that oh we we we resist Trump in one day and he'll step down.
113:40Anyone lame enough to show up would show up to that. All right. I wouldn't associate because guess what? Click click click click. You've been caught in by the by the double state two-party system cameras. Uh also now talking about leftwing terrorism. Are we going to talk about right-wing terrorism?
113:54because this seems like how the Biden Harris administration was going after right-wing influencers, people who were libertarians, anybody else way back during the Biden Harris administration.
114:04And I was against that, >> I didn't want to see people on the right getting censored and suppressed. I don't want to see that happen to libertarians.
114:10But yet now automatically, because when Biden was saying that, saying, "Oh, yeah, there's there's there's Trump supporters and right-wing violence." I'm thinking, "Oh my god, they're going to come after us all." Cuz as soon as I hear that, once the Democrats come in control, once Republicans come in control, that so they are going to use that same template to use against each other, against all of us. So one side will speak, then the other side will speak. But these will people who will be approved, corporatized to speak. Anyone else that's an independent media in our sphere, we become public enemy number
114:38one. And anyone that eats up that slop from the politicians, imagine if that was Biden or Kamla giving you that diary information. There'll be a lot of libtards drinking that up. And now you got people on the Trump side, Republican side eating it up here, too. But wake up to reality. That's going to be used against you, too. And then you captured on your flat camera and be arrested, too. Or we could be like Britain and be arrested for a Facebook post uh post 10 years ago or 14 years ago. Yeah.
115:04>> Because that's that's a free society.
115:07Always be careful. Big brothers watching 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Brave New World.
115:12Those were warnings, not a manual.
115:16>> Yeah. And listen, they've been setting this up for a very long time. There there has been a very they're not stupid. They know that if they do these types of things overnight that people would I mean obviously speak out against it. We would rail against it. We would be like, "No, absolutely not. We're not doing this." But they have effectively over the course of many many years uh created an environment and in a political um uh atmosphere where we don't trust each other, where we're very divided, where we hate our neighbors, and where we're willing to excuse and justify terrible things happening to
115:46people that we don't agree with. And that's they've been so effective in that. I mean, we talked about it briefly with Whitney and Mark earlier, um where you know, like the the Black Lives Matter protesters. I mean, the right was couldn't have been happier when they started getting beaten up and all that stuff. And then vice versa. Black m the black lives matter protesters couldn't have been happier when January 6 protesters were getting beaten up and brutalized. And they don't even recognize they don't even have the ability to comprehend to to step away from their um you know their preconceived biases that that this is
116:15exactly how they do it. They created a situation with Black Lives Matter where they make the right look at these people. They're out here burning down their cities and you know suddenly magical pallets full of bricks show up in the streets and all of that stuff and there's agitators and there's infiltrators and all of that. And the same exact thing happened on January 6th. This is exactly how they do it.
116:34They work you against each other and they create an environment where you're willing to forego your principles because you want the other guy to get it. And that's just it's so beyond my ability to comprehend that people can't see it at this point because it is so like just readily apparent that that is the game plan and they're just Go go go.
116:51No, no, no. You're right. And I and I don't I hope I don't instigate the chat or anybody else getting upset about this, but when when Charlie Kirk died, you know, I was devastated. I was doing a live stream and I had one of my viewers I had one of my viewers uh Dr.
117:05Nick uh give me a heads up like, hey, you know, I'm not joking here. Charlie Kirk just got shot. And I I for one was like, oh crap, what? This is the worst thing that could happen. Because I'm thinking if if he dies, the ramping up of censorship is going to happen and then this is going to be weaponized to make one side hate the other. All right.
117:24And it's it yeah, it's it's been effective. It's been very effective. But I say to anyone that's on the right and left, if you're just average, you're in on this. Think long and hard. Okay?
117:34Think about this. This is the same playbook we've seen before where you see one side saying the left is the agitators. Then once the right comes then once the left comes in power or liberals come into power you got oh yeah the right are the agitators. The real agitators are the neoliberal centrists enjoying their brunch while the rest of us starve. These are the people that have let us into foreign wars bankrupt our country. We're exposed to let in our drinking water. We got other contaminants that we have to deal with.
118:03And yet somehow we're supposed to make it day in day out. Make ends meet. But then to keep us bitter I have to hate my neighbor. I have my family at Thanksgiving. That is not how it should work and function. And the job of independent media is to show, hey, these people in DC, these people who represent you, are they representing you? Because 99% of the time they're on the phone call listening to their donors or they're getting marching orders to have them hate each other because it's a script. When you see the Democrat Republican politicians arguing, it's like uh something from ECW or WCW or W.
118:34>> It's a soap opera featuring psychopaths.
118:37That's what it is. It's all manufactured and ridiculous. It's It's a show. It's always been a show. And you're so right.
118:43And I've been saying this for years and I can't tell you how often I get trashed for saying this, but your neighbor is not your enemy. I promise you. The MAGA guy that lives down the road, if you're on the left, not your enemy. The lefty that lives down the road, if you're MAGA, not the enemy. I promise you. Uh you're we have common enemies and they wear very expensive suits and sit in boardrooms and make decisions that impact your life. I can promise you that. the people who live in your neighborhood are not your enemy. They are suffering the same oppression that you are. And they've just done a very
119:12good job of manipulating you and convincing you that you have to blame each other rather than blaming the people in actual power who have actual power to impact your life. And that's what's so frustrating about this. And you bring up Charlie Kirk. I can't tell you how disappointing it was for me to watch people who had fought alongside me in the fight for Julian Assange's freedom cheering for the death of a man >> for saying words that they didn't like.
119:35like he said words that they didn't like and so they cheered his assassination. I blew my mind. These are people who I thought were like [clears throat] like allies, like people who actually got it, who were legit I have really learned over the years that finding somebody who is genuinely free speech is like finding a unicorn. It's they're very few and far between.
119:56>> Look, I believe in free speech because I have been a victim of censorship. I know firsthand about the Jack Buddhist censorship. It sucks. Uh but you know at the end of the day when you are being suppressed you know you got to look for people who do believe in it. And I remember getting started here you know uh especially with independent media you know you had your I guess the typical troll would be like someone from the right saying oh you're a communist you're a communist you're a communist.
120:20And then later on when the Biden Harris administration got in then I'm somehow MAGA. And then I remember getting this one message from a Trump supporter. Hey, how come these liberals and communists hate you? Aren't you guys friends? And I'm like, no, buddy.
120:35>> No, >> they hate me, too. Everybody hates me.
120:37[laughter] >> All sides hate me.
120:39>> Yeah, but >> I feel like that's how you know you're doing it right. Cuz if everybody hates you, then that means you've just stayed consistent >> and you're not pandering to anybody. And I feel like that's when you know you're in a pretty good spot. So, um, he So, this douche canoe, Steven Miller mentioned Marco Rubio. I do want to play Marco Rubio's comments, too, because I think those are very telling. But also before I forget really quickly, Stephen Miller was saying there that we're gonna um you know debank and blah blah blah social credit system. Anybody if you go against the grain, they're going to just
121:06take away your ability to bank and they're going to take away your ability to live in society. And I mean just I'm just saying that's what we're moving towards.
121:13>> I'm going to say one thing. Look, uh, what these politicians fail to realize is when you create an environment where nobody gives a single f and like they're not afraid anymore and they got nothing but hatred and >> they don't care. Don't be surprised what a desperate person will do.
121:29>> Yeah.
121:29>> All right. Cuz if there's no consequences and they know that, hey, well, it's all over for me now.
121:34>> Yeah.
121:35>> What can I do to take a big old sloppy dump in your hat and have you put it on?
121:39Because that's what that you'll create an army. you'll create a a world of desperation and these politicians and other AI, I mean, >> as Mark Anthony once said, snows do melt and rivers do dry.
121:52>> Yep. True story. Okay, here's Marco Rubio just so you guys can hear what he had to say about this whole thing.
121:56>> Face a new wave of this old evil. Here in the United States, the share of left-wing terrorist attacks and plots has risen to levels not seen in decades.
122:07>> Oh, wow. In Germany, far-left violence has jumped by more than 40% in just the last year alone. In Greece, more than 80% of radical violence is now driven by far-left and anarchist actors.
122:20These these are not abstract statistics.
122:24Americans see what those numbers mean.
122:26An all-out assault on our immigration officers, sniper attacks, explosives, armed ambushes. A transgender shooter opening fire on Catholic elementary school students as they pray. His gun marked with slogans like, "Where is your God now?" A healthc care executive executed in cold blood in the streets.
122:50Multiple assassination attempts on a sitting president. and the murder of the greatest conservative activist of a generation, a man who happened to also be a husband and the father of two young children, shot and killed while speaking to a crowd of students.
123:06This is a distinctive and unique evil.
123:09It has always been driven by a hatred, above all else, a hatred for civilization itself. It is a revolt of the worst against the best. A revolt of the weak and the cowardly against the strong and the good. It is perpetrated by those who cannot build, who cannot create, who cannot achieve great things and take their revenge upon the world for their own inadequacy by seeking to destroy those who can.
123:39>> What a turd, dude. He's such a Listen, a lot of that stuff he just made up. Like first of all, who defines what is left-wing violence? I want to know what the definition of that is. What does it take to qualify for that? And why do these particular uh occasions that he is claiming that have happened in Greece and Egypt and wherever else he mentioned? How I want to see I want to see I want to know what those uh statistics actually are. I want to know what those qualifications are. I want to know what the definition is. He's just making up to scare people. He's fear-mongering so that people will be on
124:11board with what they intend to do, which is to uh I mean, Stephen Miller talked about the goolog. That's exactly what he wants to do. He wants to set up a goolog for left-wing people, people that do he that do not agree with him of oh, you have different opinions than I do. Go straight to the goolog. That's he the the hypocrisy is insane.
124:31>> I it's nuts.
124:33>> I'd also add on here, too, you know, you have uh talk about Trump's assassination. Well, uh, as a former Marine, I have to say the people who did the sight security around that area were not guarding the rooftops or any high elevated positions. I mean, how'd you turn a blind eye to that? Uh, for the site security for Charlie Kirk, again, I find the actions of not having people on the rooftops of the buildings to ensure no one had easy access there because he's a high-profile person, and yes, he's probably received more than a handful of threats to his life, but the fact that no one even factored that in
125:05there should be drawn in there. Uh, so look, and again, I say this to someone on the left, Charlie Kirk dying to me is a very, very bad freaking thing. And I wish it never happened because there's an after effect where you have politicians now using him as a scapegoat be like, well, it's leftwing terrorism now that we got to worry about. Well, but in fact, gee, you know what's real terrorism? Apollo these politicians protecting the ghost air quote of one Epstein >> of one Jeffrey Epste not holding anyone who was rich and powerful who parttook in that perversive >> actions that he helped facilitate being
125:38held accountable to the fullest extent of the law >> that needs to be addressed. That's real terrorism when our government doesn't do anything to arrest people who committed crimes.
125:46>> Yes. And let's not pretend that our government is above uh creating false flag situations in order to drive their agenda. And I'm not saying that any of these that he mentioned are false flags.
125:57Don't come for me. I don't know enough to and I we never will know enough. I think it's likely that at least one or two of these things that has happened, whether it's the transgender shooters or whatever, whatever, there's an element of false flaggery going on there. I don't think there's any question about it. And but let's not pretend like they're not like that they're somehow above that and that they're not doing that. They absolutely are. They're pushing an agenda and they're going to do it in any manner that they see fit and necessary. So, um, yes, that is. And I just wanted to point out, too, our
126:23good pal Caitlyn JSON posted this, um, and, uh, she's correct. They're building a new Cointtel Pro and it will not be dismantled when there's a Democrat in the White House. And she is correct.
126:33That is exactly what's happening here.
126:34And it's going to come for everybody.
126:36So, if you're somebody on the right who is right now, and I've seen so many people in the comments of these posts like, "Yes, you need to arrest people.
126:42Like, this is all talk. You need we want to see action." It's coming for you, too. I just hope that you realize that you can cheer it on now while it's happening to people. you don't agree with, but when it comes back for you, I'm going to say I told you so. If I'm not already in a goolog, um, but it's coming for you, too. It is absolutely coming for you, too.
126:58>> Here's here's what I'm going to say.
126:59Like, damn, they got you, too. Who' have thought it, man.
127:03>> Listen, I hope we end up in the same re-education camp kit. Hopefully, they'll put us in the same one so we can at least hang.
127:10>> Yeah. No, no, it's gonna be great.
127:11They're going to be arresting everybody.
127:12Or better yet, it's going to be one big open air system where flock cameras are on us and we got to think happy thoughts all the time like, "Oh, how happy things are. Everything's nice. Oh no, the whole world's on fire. How lovely. Don't wait up people who are cheering for this.
127:27They'll get you soon enough."
127:29>> They will.
127:30>> And then guess what? There'll be Oz rules now. And uh hey, you you'll be the new fish in the goolog. Hey, we'll be there. We'll be running stuff. Okay.
127:38Yeah. Give me my cigarettes. [laughter] Oh goodness. Okay. All right. Let's move on. Um, so here's a fun story. And again, thank you everybody for tuning in to the Jimmy Door Show. I am your guest host for today, Mr. Winston. That is Kit Cabelloo. He's my pal. You can check him out on Hard Lands Media. Uh, please go subscribe, share, support, all the things. Um, uh, please support independent media. It is more important now than ever. Um, so let's talk about because you guys know I'm in Ohio and I, every time I come to the Jimmy Door Show, I have to bring at least one Ohio story. So what I do um so vakrana swami
128:15this guy is a bane of >> hey he's your buddy he's your buddy your buddy your buddy and pal all around >> no no no sir uh but VC Ramaswami uh so this was just released a new or I'm sorry a super PAC supporting VC Ramaswami just reported 12.24 24 million in quarter 2 fundraising with almost all of it from billionaires. Elon Musk, Rapmir, Timvev, I'm probably mispronouncing that, sorry, five million each. Bill Aman, good friend of the show, Bill Aman, and Ross Stevens, $1 million each. It's the first time any of them have donated to the super PAC.
128:50There's going to be a little uh um uh qualifier uh in just a bit. So, they join fellow billionaire Jeff Yas, a strong proponent of school choice, as the main donors to the Super PAC. You can check out the super PAC's filings with the FCC for yourself here. I went and looked this this is all accurate information and then there's a correction here. Stevens gave 5 million when the super PAC was founded in early 2025. The five billionaires Yas Stevens must Timvev and Aman now account for more than 88% of VPAC's funding. That's the name of the super PAC. So uh the VC Ramaswami is uh Reagan and the money
129:21from the billionaires and we have talked about VC Ramaswami on the show before because again Ohio stories. We've talked about um his affiliation with um the Less Wexner of all of Ohio. Um and listen I and this is just my opinion come for me don't I don't care but VC Ramaswami has been very strategically placed in a position right now in order to continue the facilitation of the technocracy takeover in the state of Ohio. It's well underway. We're already largely there. Less Wexner has done an amazing job over the past many decades of um uh really taking over Ohio. Um but VC Ramaswami is being very strategically
129:59placed in Ohio to further that agenda to make sure that the data centers go up to make sure that flock gets to continue putting their cameras up to make sure that we talked about the uh the drone plant that's being built in I think it's Chilikathy Ohio which is not that far from me uh where they're going to have high school kids building drones for uh war. Um uh that's what's happening here.
130:17Yes. I'm not joking. I'm not joking kid.
130:19That's what >> No, no, no. I I'm just I'm just I know I remember this. I I'm I'm going to forget the name of it, but um there was a movie that starred Robin Williams and he was like it was like a like he he inherited this this toy company and he was facing >> it's called Toys.
130:35>> Oh, toys. Right. Right. Yeah. And there and there was there was there was a scene where like there was this corporation this guy creating this militarybased you know toys and Yeah.
130:43And he was having video games. He was playing video games having them uh launch the launch the drones. So here's what's going to happen. The high schoolers are going to be building the drones and the little kids will be playing with the drones on their little video game systems and they'll be live streaming on Twitch, Kick, and YouTube.
130:58>> Yeah, Hollywood always tells us what's coming.
131:00>> Yeah, exactly. Tell us what's coming.
131:02>> So, I have little droners. That's great.
131:05>> Yeah. Nice. Okay, so here we go. Ex Doge leader Elon Musk donates $5 million to Provacc Ramos Swami Super PAC. Just remember they did have a falling out.
131:14So, I think it's interesting that uh Elon Musk is um giving him so much money. So billionaire Elon Musk donated $5 million to super a super PAC backing his former Department of Government Efficiency co-leader VC Ramaswami for governor of Ohio. The SpaceX founder and Tesla CEO donated $5 million to the super PAC victors not victims on May 8th, more than a year after Ramaswami left Doge to launch a bid to replace term limited Ohio Governor Mike DeWine according to campaign finance records reported on July 15th. After the 2024 election, President Donald Trump picked Musk and Ramaswami to co-lead the uh
131:48government efficiency organization. But Ramaswami left the effort shortly after to run for Ohio governor amid reports of friction between him and Musk. Still, Musk was an early supporter of Republican Ramaswami's gubanatorial bid, writing on X that Ramaswami had his quote full endorsement and quote on February 24th, 2025. The $5 million donation was Musk's first backing Ramaswami's bid. Victors not vict victims or VPAC reported a $12.2 million in cont in contributions between April and June. Other donors include veh founder Ratmir Timvev, billionaire hedge fund manager uh Bill Aman, and entrepreneur Ross Stevens. VPAC's top
132:24donor remains Pennsylvania businessman Jeff Yas, who advocates for school choice and private school scholarships.
132:30Yas has donated $20 million to the super PAC. Ramaswami will face Democrat Dr.
132:35Dr. Amy Actton, former head of the Ohio Department of Health in the November 3rd general election. And she's a hot mess.
132:40Express, too. Uh, she shut down the state of Ohio during COVID and did all the dumb stuff that happened during COVID. Um, so Ohio's screwed.
132:50>> I've said it before on the show. Please send help.
132:52>> No, no, no. I I I I gota I got to steal your line.
132:57>> Ohio, we're Yeah. Yes, we [laughter] are. We really are in Ohio.
133:02Um, it's a really unfortunate situation here. Lex Wesner has taken over the state. We're stuck with Dr. Amy Axon or VC Ramaswami to take over for Mike DeWine. Like it just keeps like just keep punching me in the face. It's fine.
133:14It's fine. I It's fine, guys.
133:16Everything's fine.
133:17>> You make Chicago politicians look like Saints and actually uh alltime, you know, productive members of society. Why are you trying to take our belt, Ohio?
133:26>> Sorry, man. I'm telling you, Ohio's been on a a steady shift towards uh chaos for a while. Um, but it it just like the past I would say really the past like decade or so it's really gotten out of control. But I mean if we're just being honest it's been since Les Waxner came and started taking over everything and you know buying towns and taking over government and all of that stuff like he is uh really is in full control over the state of Ohio. Um that's just the reality of it. So again I'm asking please send help or like booze or something so I can drink my way through it. I don't think you're going to get
134:02the Knights of Roheri. Uh but I would say if you are, you know, if if if you want to make things even more depressing, like right now, you got a lot of people on the right who are who are supporting the VC, your best friend.
134:15Uh you know, just just so you guys know that super PAC, there'll be a click clone copy of it if the liberals ever get control of it. So they they'll do the same thing. It it it will exist, but they'll give it a shade of blue and then no one will say nothing.
134:27>> Yeah. Don't get it twisted. I and I think most people um are familiar with the fact that I don't like any politicians. I think all all of them are corrupt and untrustworthy. I don't vote.
134:38I don't think electoral politics is worthwhile. I think that the entire system is corrupt front to back, top to bottom, and you can't uh beat them playing the game that they control with rules that they can change whenever they want. Um so don't get it twisted. I'm not saying that it is um uh solely Republicans or it's just VVC or that it's whatever. I'm just telling you that. And by the way, Bevak Ramaswami, like none of his donors come from the state of Ohio. It's all rich and fancy people who don't live in Ohio, have never lived in Ohio, know nothing about Ohio politics, but they're funneling
135:08just a crap ton of money because again, in my opinion, he is being strategically placed to oversee the further uh technocratic takeover of the state. Um, and again, we're we're really already there, but he is just like that kind of final final nail in the coffin. So, there you have it. Okay. Um, I think we are going to switch to Rumble, friends.
135:26So, if everybody wants to uh bounce out of here, head over to Rumble and then I think Misha's going to jump in with some super chats. So, we will see you over there.
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