Iran’s NEWEST THREAT To the West! Michigan Dem Senate Primary ALL ABOUT ISRAEL! w/Professor Marandi

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8:25Hello, this is Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy Door who's going to be on the road very shortly. Uh we have an amazing guest lineup today. Uh starting off with Sed Muhammad Morandi. He's a professor of English literature and orientalism at the University of Tan and he's a political analyst known for his critiques of Western media and culture and has appeared as a commentator on international news networks such as Al Jazera and BBC. Born in the US, he returned to Iran at the age of 13 and later fought in the Iran Iraq war. Let's give a very warm welcome to Professor Mirandi.

9:15Professor Morandi, welcome.

9:18>> Hi, Russell. Thank you for inviting me.

9:21>> Thank Thank you very much for making it during what I'm sure is a very trying time in your country.

9:29Uh the is indeed >> the the IRGC uh just released a video today um of uh kind of rocket launches. Want to take a look at that. Uh get your thoughts on this.

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10:12All right. Now, personally, I like the Lego videos better. Uh, but that was very impressive. Now, does Iran believe that it can defeat the US militarily?

10:39And why is Iran the only country in the region that is willing to confront the United States and Israel? I I think that's very confusing for people. Why none of the other countries will do this? Why Iran stands alone?

10:56>> Yes, I think the Iranians believe that they can uh defeat the United States or outlast the United States. Uh the Iranians have been preparing themselves for this um war for decades. They always believed that at some point the United States will invade the country. And um since the end of the uh Iraq Iran war where Saddam Hussein invaded Iran with US um encouragement uh the Iranians had been preparing but after 911 uh the Iranians were quite confident that the United States at some point would attack. So after 911, the they've been working much harder and more swiftly to develop underground missile

11:51bases, underground drone bases, to develop Iranian indigenous technology for missiles, drones, and other weapon systems.

12:02And um that's why they were able to uh effectively defeat defeat the Israeli regime in the 12-day war. Of course, the Americans were supporting the Israeli and in the 40-day war, the Ramadan war that we had four months ago. I think it's fair to say that Iran definitely won the war. It doesn't mean that the United States didn't hurt Iran or damage Iran's critical infrastructure. In fact, just a couple of hours ago, apparently the Americans struck a a u hospital, a children's cancer hospital in the city of >> And um so, you know, damage is being done every day. But um the Iran for the Iranians, this is a war for survival.

12:52For the Americans, it's a war of choice, >> right? And um therefore the incentive for the Iranians to to fight is much higher. And you've seen the funerals in Iran for Ayatollah Kam and uh they were in the millions. Some of our mutual friends >> were in Tehran and perhaps in other cities. I don't know if they went if they went there and in Iraq as well. So, it's clear where public opinion stands and the armed forces have of course been during the last few nights uh been hitting back hard and during the day um no one wants war but um it's been imposed upon the country. We were as you know and I know your viewers are very

13:42politically aware but uh we before the 12-day war we were negotiating and then it turned out that the whole negotiation process was just a deception. Trump and Netanyahu were planning a war and before this war four and a half months ago or so. Uh we were negotiating with the United States in Oman and there was progress. The foreign minister of Oman went to the United States and then they launched the war.

14:10So, it's not as if the Iranians are seeking war or they love war, but uh they have to fight this war because they know that the the objective is the destruction of Iran to turn Iran into another Syria or another Libya.

14:27And uh why is it that no one else is willing to stand up to the United States and the Israeli regime?

14:34There are many of these countries are just proxies.

14:37They are leaders. Um they have been installed and controlled by the United States for many decades. Uh they uh spend much of their time in the United States. Their families spend much of their time in the United States. That's where they keep their money. Uh that's where they have their mansions. That's where their they spend their vacations.

15:01The Americans have a lot of dirt on these people. We see we've seen quite a few of these people in their names in the Epstein files. Uh senior Emirati leaders for example but others too.

15:15Turkey unfortunately despite the fact that its population is very supportive of the Palestinian cause but throughout this genocide the Turkish government has been transporting oil to Netanyahu and uh >> has been very Trump calls Mr. Erdogan very faithful to himself. So but public opinion in across the region is with Iran despite the fact that for years the Saudis, the Amiratis, Erdogan and others uh have been trying to create religious divide, sectarian divide, racial divide between Iran and everyone else. But um public opinion is with Iran. People now see through all that propaganda and views of Iran have evolved a lot. I mean

16:03in the past when I would be on shows like yours or shows of other friends um the the general skepticism towards Iran back then was much greater because of of the propaganda. But a lot of people are now seeing through the propaganda and they don't see Iran as this >> evil backward medieval >> uh land where you have mad mullas running around and uh gays being thrown off the top of buildings and women women being beaten in the afternoon and children being I don't know beaten in the evenings and it's a house of cards that's about to fall. I think the war did a lot to dispel the propaganda about Iran being a house of cards.

16:52>> The funerals did a lot to show that Iran is very different from what is depicted in what it's uh being depicted as being in the west. And I think a lot of people across the world have been asking themselves, well, if Iran is really that bad and that evil, why is it that the Iranians and their allies are opposing genocide in Gaza and everyone else is either indifferent or complicit. And I think a lot of people are actually learning about well, and thanks to some of our friends to a degree, they're learning about the fact that um Iran has Jews. Uh Iran has synagogues. In fact, the Israelis bombed

17:34the synagogue in Tehran. A couple of our mutual friends have visited that synagogue and so the views have evolved and uh I think that despite the hardship of war uh I don't want to say good has come out of it but there have been positive developments too and that is that I think awareness across the region and across the world has increased.

18:00So, uh, JD Vance, uh, went on Joe Rogan.

18:05Uh, let me set this up. Actually, uh, there's Russell Dobular, Phil again for Jimmy Door here with Professor Miranda, our friend of the show. We're very glad to see Sound looking very well. Um JD Vance went on Joe Rogan and laid out his version of why this war seemingly keeps stopping and starting and stopping and starting. So this this was his version of events >> is going on with Iran where it seems like the president keeps saying that a deal's reached, negotiations have been successful and then it all falls apart and we start bombing them again.

18:53[snorts] >> Yeah. So uh how long do we have here?

18:55Because as much as you need [clears throat] so so I have to explain a couple of things in the background so you sort of fully appreciate um people fully appreciate what's going on here.

19:04So, so number one, it's a bit of a simplification, but you have two elements within the Iranian system. You have and and you sometimes hear hawkish Americans say this that they're all crazy people. They want to bring about, you know, the the 12th imam and the apocalypse and all that stuff. There are people in Iran who believe that they're also pragmatists. You've got the crazy people and you've got the pragmatists.

19:24Okay.

19:25>> So, when we struck thisou and really what theou says and I've it was misrepresented more than almost anything that I've ever worked on in public life.

19:33What it says is Iran is going to open the straight of Hormuz. The violence is going to stop and then we're going to negotiate to see if we can come to a broader deal on the long-term nuclear issue. That's what we wanted. And what the Iranians wanted, of course, was long-term economic and sanctions relief.

19:50Now, here's here's the problem with where we are right now. And and and I guess my summary view, Joe, is that I of course can't predict the future. I don't know exactly where this is going to go, but I think fundamentally we are on the right trajectory. It's just going to be really messy and there's going to be a lot of stuff starts. So what happens the first week after we sign theou get 20 million barrels a day of oil out of the straight of Hormuz. That's what it was before the war. The price of oil comes way down and there are elements the hardliners in the Iranian system kind of freak out a little bit. They're like,

20:24"Oh did we just give away our major leverage point? Screw nuclear weapons. we just gave away this so in thisou and so there was this kind of freak out in their system so they shot at the couple we responded and I think that's entirely appropriate of course if they're going to shoot at ships we going to shoot at the people who are shooting at the ships or the facilities that they're using to shoot at ships so that happens okay and then the Iranians are like oh no no fine that that you're you're right we shouldn't have been shooting at ships so then they come back to the table and there's a few more days

20:54of negotiation and then the phase they're in right now is the hardliners have really really reacted strongly to all the oil that's coming out of the straight of Hormuz and they've basically said we're going to try to shut this thing down. We're scared about losing our leverage. Now the pragmatists in their system are saying this was a mistake. Let's keep on talking and again do ultimately going to shake out. Of course I don't. But what we're doing is a delicate diplomatic dance where we're using econ leverage points. We're using carrots and sticks trying to talk to the pragmatists. And then of course when

21:29they commit acts of violence, we're responding to it. And all those things are happening simultaneously to get us on a better trajectory. Now that said, yes, right now there's there's shooting right now. Last night they shot at some ships. The but with all that said, is their nuclear program still destroyed?

21:46Yes. Are the straits not necessarily fully pre-war traffic, but are we getting enough oil and gas out of the straight of Hormuz to prevent a worldwide energy crisis? Yes. And all of these things are happening in the context of the broader negot negotiation over the nuclear program. You never know where this is ultimately going to end up, but that's where we are.

22:08>> Okay. I could see you uh holding back laughter a couple times during that. Uh so, do you have a response to that? I know there's a lot there. Take your time.

22:19Well, there are a few things. One is that this whole uh pragmatic crazy um divide and one group does something and another group does something else. I mean, if Iran is so chaotic and everyone does their own thing, I it's it's amazing how they won the war and they won the siege warfare and they got the theou the negotiated deal uh with all that chaos. I mean um no country can survive where you have different factions doing different things and one says you know this is wrong with the others firing missiles.

23:02>> That that's nonsense. What happened basically was that first of all we haven't had negotiations with Americans.

23:09I mean that's that hasn't existed. And I think Vance and I I don't I can't say with confidence but Vance of course he's the vice president. He can't say that Trump is talking nonsense.

23:23>> Vance has his own worldview. I assume that it that because of what I've heard from Tucker Carlson on his show that he the relationship between him and Tucker Carlson is different from that of Trump with Tucker Carlson. So Vance on the on the other hand therefore has probably has a different worldview than that of Trump and and some of the people around Trump. So he wants to have both he wants to have his cake and eat it too. On the one hand he wants to say that I'm with Trump and you know what we're doing is right. But when he tries to describe it, it doesn't make sense. you have this faction firing missiles and this other

24:04faction says, you know, we shouldn't be firing these missiles and sorry and >> that that's just nonsense.

24:12>> But he wants it he wants, I think, the process to continue because probably he understands that the war is not going to get the United States to a good place.

24:21So he's trying to say, you know, let's find a negotiated solution. The fact is that the United States engaged in this war with Israeli regime. It was unprovoked and all that. Then after the ceasefire, the siege war be warfare began basically because the United States refused to implement the ceasefire deal >> which included Lebanon and Netanyahu refused. He carpet bombed Beirut. So, we had a two-month, I don't know, I guess two month or so, more than two months of siege warfare.

24:57Then we had theou and uh there were some differences between the two sides. We weren't getting to the deal. And then Netanyahu bombed Beirut. Iran was about to fire missiles at Israel. My understanding, this is my interpretation, Trump was afraid that if Iran and the Israeli regime got into uh warfare that the deal would be set back.

25:20So he gave the concessions that the Iranians wanted and the deal was signed but he had no intention of carrying out the deal. This is my opinion from and and in Iran no the the leaders and the elites and the analysts I don't know anyone who believed that the United States was going to carry out the deal.

25:40And why but why was Trump insistent on having the deal? because he himself admitted that we only had four weeks of uh reserves left, oil reserves, energy reserves, and he he he spoke of Herbert Hoover and the Great Depression, and he doesn't want to see that happen. And so we are where we are. But since Trump did not want to implement the deal, everyone was attacking him for it, he began to uh undermine it step by step.

26:13He effectively refused to carry out any of his obligations except for one and that was the siege. Why? Because as Vance said, he wanted the oil to come out.

26:24>> Right?

26:24>> So he wanted the oil to come out. He he removed the siege, but everything else he violated. He was supposed to hand over Iran's stolen assets. He refused.

26:34He was supposed to force the Israeli regime to leave Lebanon and to stop the killing. He refused. he was supposed to uh remove sanctions on Iran's energy exports. He lifted them and then restated them after just a few days. Uh he uh according to the deal is not allowed to threaten Iranian leaders or the Iranian people. He did that repeatedly and uh that he expanded the sanctions regime, a violation of the deal. And then, and this is where we get to what Vance was saying, he during the two-month period of theou, Iran was supposed to control the straight of Hormos and facilitate the normalization

27:22of the uh trade or or the shipping that goes through the straight.

27:29So, what did the Americans do? And there's nothing in article five which has to do with this about Americans intruding and getting involved in the trade. So the Americans come in and uh they set up their own corridor for ships which goes against article 5. I mean people can see it. It's all mine.

27:54They set up this uh corridor. The Iranians tell the Americans this is a violation. we're supposed to be the the the the side that's in charge.

28:03The Americans ignore them. And then those countries that helped the Americans launch the war against Iran, Saudi Arabia, uh the Emirates, they started sending their ships through the American corridor.

28:17Iran for a number of days said uh complained but did nothing serious about it. Then finally the Iranians said enough is enough.

28:24They hit three ships and then the Americans started uh well they hit ships and then you know the Americans started hitting Iran which was not another violation attacking Iran. So basically what Trump did was that he was violating all of his commitments and then he wanted to control the trade and foremost too and undermine Iran's authority and Iran was not going to have that because Iran knew that well if he doesn't abide by his commitments and then he takes control of this trade of Hormos he effect he effectively wins. So the Iranians began to hit back and now the Americans are engaging in this war. But

29:03the Americans had been preparing for this because ever since the ceasefire they brought in uh a lot of equipment for for ground warfare and they've kept all their planes almost all of their planes in place. I don't know if every single one is here but all of their assets are in the region. But the Iranians also they uh they were preparing themselves since ceasefire.

29:25But and also the Iranians did something that I think was very important and that was that as soon as theou was signed the as I said the Iranians knew that Trump would not abide by his commitments but they immediately began to export large quantities of oil because Iran had a lot of tankers in the Persian Gulf which were full of oil but couldn't leave because of the siege. So they sent a lot of oil quickly imported essential goods so that if when when the Americans reimpose the siege which is uh illegal because it's directed at ordinary people they would be prepared.

30:03So Iran is more prepared now than it was uh before theou because of its exports and because of its imports and now we're back to work.

30:17Do you think Trump actually has freedom of action? Because you get the sense he talks about being Herbert Hoover. You get the sense that he wants to end this desperately, but it seems like the Israelis simply will not allow him now that he put his foot in this trap to get it out.

30:42Now that he's in, he can't get out.

30:44They're going to continue conditions like what they're doing in Lebanon that are just going to make peace impossible.

30:51Of course, you mentioned Epstein. A lot of people think there's compromat. We don't know. But his behavior is so inconsistent in regards to how he deals with Israel versus everybody else. It suggests there might be something to it.

31:08But even without that, the Israelis continue to do things that the Iranians simply cannot accept. Do you think that in the end Trump has the freedom to end this war? Can he?

31:21I don't I don't know the answer to that question obviously and I I would like to ask you but um the way I see it is that going back to uh before the war when Tucker Carlson met Trump and he said spoke with him and uh told him why this was a big mistake and Trump a he said Trump agreed with him And uh so it was clear that Trump knew knew that this was not a good idea, >> right?

31:56>> But he did it anyway.

31:58So that means that it was imposed upon him. Now whether it's because he's done terrible things and they have uh footage of him doing it, I don't know whether he's so [snorts] deeply indebted to the oligarchy, the Zionist oligarchy, uh the Epstein class.

32:21I don't know. But it's very difficult to to uh to believe that someone who says this is a bad idea would just do it anyway.

32:32Uh >> it doesn't make sense. Now here's where for me it begins it becomes a bit more complicated.

32:40more recently and also and also uh if we go back to Joe Kent's resignation letter which was submitted right after the war started he and in that letter he said Iran is not developing a nuclear weapon Iran's not a threat to the United States and he basically said that this war is because of the Zionist lobby and the Israeli machine >> so that is the reason I mean he you can't go much higher than Joe Kent at that time >> and in intelligence. So obviously uh that was the reason and today there's no reason to think that that the reason behind the war suddenly disappeared. So it's I would imagine that it is the

33:21Israeli regime and the Zionist lobby.

33:24Now what becomes I think a bit question what what question that comes up for me is that why is it that Trump and Netanyahu have I mean Trump has been criticizing Netanyahu so severely then and some would say well this is good comp bad cop I don't think so because the way which Trump has attacked Netanyahu on a number of occasions were not good for Netanyahu because he he humiliated him and weakened his position. I think so. I think that uh there are a number of things happening probably and correct me if you think I'm wrong. One is that I think that perhaps even in the Zionist lobby there are differing factions. Some

34:13of them believe that this war is not going well and if the United States goes into a great depression that uh or a major recession that uh this will not be good for them the Israeli firsters in the United States and so it's best to find a a solution and so I think some would some of them say no let's just we need to continue this war with Iranians who cares what happens to the United States who who cares what happens to the global economy and they're I think like firmly behind war firmly behind Netanyahu and then another faction probably as I said the ones who are worried about where this is going to take the economy they are

34:59probably becoming anti-Netanyahu and they probably want him to lose the election the up the election that's coming up which is close just like the midterms in the United states and uh that's why Trump is attacking Netanyahu. So Trump could be compromised but at the same time uh in some sort of conflict with Netanyahu the individual at the same time.

35:30I don't know if that makes sense. I I think when we see Trump have these outbursts, um I think it's it's a reflection of uh an animal in a trap thrashing around. I I I think sometimes it just comes out.

35:47>> Uh because look at how Trump deals with everybody else. It doesn't. It's It's got to chafe to have to be this subservient when Netanyahu keeps putting him in a position that is so damaging to his political project and to his legacy and to his reputation. Um, in terms of some of the Zionists not liking Netanyahu, yeah, I think some of them realize this is very bad for PR. He's he's the worst thing to have happened to our project in a long time. Not that they don't share his goals, but he's making those goals more difficult to attain because he's destroying the reputation of Israel.

36:31He's destroy I I can tell you, professor, I have never in my life seen the Israeli state questioned in America like it is now. Never. Never. When I was growing up, nobody would question Israel in any way. It it was taken as gospel that Israel was this heroic triumph of an oppressed people and that the Arab states around them were savages, that they were savages, they were Nazis, they were barbaric. Uh and you see the Zionists try to push that even now and with increasing frustration because it's not working the way that it used to. Um so yes there I think there are some Zionists who realize you know we had a

37:19good thing going and they've just revealed too much now and it's going to be very difficult impossible really to ever go back to that narrative. Nobody really questioned that narrative after October 7th. They can't really sell it anymore.

37:38Um, but here's an explanation that came from Drop Site. There's Russell Dobler filling in for Jimmy Door with our friend, Professor Morandi, who is very heroically in the middle of the night appearing on this show. What What time is it over there?

37:55>> It is uh 2:07 a.m.

37:59>> 2:07. Wow. Well, we appreciate you being here. All right, so this just came from drop site. There's a possible explanation for uh some of what we've been talking about. During the US Iran talks in Lake Lucern, Switzerland in late June, Iranian negotiators sent a private message to Vice President J. D.

38:21Vance through an intermediary. The Iranians warned Vance that the continued presence of President Donald Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff and son-in-law Jared Kushner would undermine the chance of turning the June 17th framework into an enduring deal. A senior Iranian official told Dropsite in the private message. According to the Iranian official, Iran conveyed to Vance that the pair were more interested in exploiting insider knowledge of the negotiations to profit in financial markets than they were in reaching a deal. Iranian negotiators also expressed concern about repeated leaks from Kushner to Israeli Prime Minister

39:08Benjamin Netanyahu. A US official told Axios that since the negotiations began, Witoff and Kushner talk almost every day to Netanyahu and the head of MSAD.

39:24So, could this be the reason Trump is being controlled and ill advised by his own son-in-law and a friend who he's put in this position of envoy? I there's been some reporting that the leadership in Iran uh predicts what Trump's going to do based on the opening and closing of the financial markets. Um is that some of what's going on here?

39:53Well, I I think it's the Iranians know that Kushner Witkov and Trump's kids are making a lot of money in the Persian Gulf and they have uh been milking these uh Arab regimes uh since Trump uh returned to power.

40:16uh and uh we know that there's insider trading and we know that Trump has been making huge amounts of money himself uh since he became president. So this does make sense and you're right. I mean I think it's pretty well known by now that uh a lot of the things that Trump says and does uh coincides with the opening of markets or right before markets open and right before markets close.

40:44And we've seen a lot of insider trading especially using uh Axios.

40:52So on a number of occasions Axios you completely fabricate put out completely fabricated stories and then the price of oil would just suddenly drop and uh someone people would make huge amounts of money and then the story would after a few days go away. So, Axios is a complete tool and actually one of the reasons why I thought maybe the um the the conflict between Trump and Netanyahu and I'm not saying what you're saying is wrong. I agree with everything that you say, but one reason why I think maybe um some within the the Zionist uh elites um maybe with this idea of attacking Netanyahu is that Axus itself

41:40published one of the hardest hitting uh and perhaps the first hard-hitting critique that Trump had of Netanyahu when it published the uh conversation between Trump and Netanyahu on the phone when Trump said, "Everyone hates Israel.

41:56Everyone hates you and you're crazy or whatever." I don't remember exactly what it was. It's >> 2:11 a.m. So, but in any case, >> fair enough.

42:06>> So, [laughter] so I again I don't know, but I I agree that some profanity called him crazy something. Yeah.

42:13>> Yeah. Yeah.

42:16>> Um >> Yeah. So, I think I think that makes a lot of sense.

42:20>> All right. Now you mentioned uh you mentioned the funeral that our friend this Russell Dobler filling in for Jimmy Door with Professor Morandi. Now you mentioned the funeral which Max Blumenthal attended and uh they kindly seized his devices when he got back here to the United States. Treated to the hospitality of the state when he got back. Uh, so here here's a little bit of that funeral which I think shocked a lot of Americans because it so completely contradicted what we're told about Iran and the relationship between the people and the for them.

43:02[music] The sun Now, I I was fortunate enough to just spend five weeks in China, which is also a place where we're told the people absolutely hate the government. And uh there there's a show in Chongqing called uh 1949 that packs multiple performances a day.

44:03And it's a performance about the triumph of the revolution.

44:08And I saw that and I said, you can't force people to go buy tickets to a show. They're choosing to go to this show multiple times a day. It's been running for years. So, you're not going to get people who hate the government to keep going to see a show that celebrates the revolution that put this government in power. Um, I thought something similar watching this funeral.

44:35You can't, nobody made millions of people go to this funeral. Um, I think the question a lot of people in the west might have is that support for the government or is it defiance of the US that would bring all these people out or is it both?

44:54>> Yeah, sure. Well, one thing about China and the the city that you visited uh I think itself is reflective of why people participated in the show. And if you compare Chongqin, which is I think a city of 31 million people um in central China, it's not one of the cities that you normally hear about. It's not Beijing or Shanghai or Guanjo, >> but you know, you know who it's very popular with? Younger people who see images online, >> right?

45:28>> It's not in that usual tourist circuit.

45:31>> Right. Right. Yes. like the the rooftop which Yeah. I >> the train going through and Yeah.

45:38>> Exactly. Exactly. So this that city is really beautiful and very developed and very clean and um it is what the United States was 50 years ago.

45:55>> Yes. uh you know when I was there as a child you I remember when I went through I went for the first time uh like maybe I was 10 years old 11 years old I don't remember exactly but I went and through the London the Lincoln tunnel and back then you know it was supposed to be like the highest technology the newest technology >> right >> China is today what the United States was 45 50 years ago >> exactly And uh and so when you can live a much better life in China than in the United States, when you go to a good restaurant in the United States in China and it costs like a fraction of what it costs in the United States and the list

46:40goes on. Well, there's a reason why people will would be interested in going to a show and to pay for it and to sit there and uh despite it being very different from what uh pundits in Washington would like people in China to think or what they would like the world to think about China, >> right? So in Iran it's it's I think even more uh different you know and I've always said and I've you and I have spoke about Iran and and the United States before Iran has always had the Islamic Republic of Iran Iran has always had a high degree of public legitimacy the state and the polls show that polls carried

47:30out by uh like there's a university in the United States that uh that carries out regular polls in Iran. I forgot what it was. Um anyway, it's 2 in the morning. I apologize.

47:48>> That's all right. [laughter] That's all right. Uh and they're they're poll polling uh companies in Iran that do regular polls both both privately owned and uh uh publicly publicowned pleders uh work on this and on other issues private sector businesses but also on public opinion with regards to issues of the day. There's always been a high uh Maryland, the University of Maryland, there's always been a high degree of legitimacy in the eyes of Iranians with regards to the state and uh uh although that doesn't mean people are not critical of the state, the very same people in that footage that you saw and that's just a small

48:34fraction of the crowd.

48:36>> It I mean they they you they fly with helicopters over it. It's just extraordinary. It goes on for many miles.

48:45>> And um those same people if you speak to them like he's at the one they're taxi drivers, they are uh hospital staff, they are street cleaners, they are business people, they're bus drivers. If you ask them are you happy?

49:06Probably most of them will say no. The economy is not doing well. I'm you know I'm struggling uh I'm unhappy doesn't mean that their unhappiness means that they see the state as illegitimate >> right >> and so when whenever and Iranians are in general very uh I mean when I was in the UK I sort of felt that the British were a bit like us and that the Iranians uh we complain a lot for example we'll never I would ever sitting with friends. Let's say we're having lunch together or we're just sitting together. I if one of us said, you know, I went to the I use the metro yesterday. Wow, the metro is so good.

49:50And you were like, why is he talking like that? You know, you we usually criticize. It doesn't matter. We we just criticize like if I'm on campus, we'll criticize the management. If we'll criticize the uh ministry of educ we'll criticize the university. No one's going to none of my colleagues will ever say, "Wow, everything things are good at the university. We have this new uh you know, we have this budget. We have we're have these new uh high-tech uh uh capabilities at the University of Tehran." No one talks like that. It's you it's almost always crit criticism and and and if you go in a taxi in Iran,

50:33if you go in a bus, if you go metro, that's what you're going to hear. then they'll attack they'll attack the government, they'll attack the leader, they'll they'll attack God, they'll do, you know, they'll they'll attack whoever they want.

50:46>> So, it's very different from the perceptions in in the West. And so often when these Western mainstream journalists come to Iran and they get in a taxi, they think that this is the North Korea stereotype. I've never been to North Korea. I'm just saying, you know, I don't want to make it. I'm just saying this. They think this is the you know everyone here has to praise the great leader or whatever. And so when they hear people criticizing they think ah so the the regime as as they love to call it is falling apart. People hate it. You get in this taxi they're attacking it. You get in that bus they're attacking it. And people in Iran

51:25like talking. I mean we're very uh you know it's sort of like going to Latin America. we, you know, if you sit beside an Iranian in the public space and you talk, they'll talk. It's not like they'll say, "Leave me alone." They're, it's the opposite. They're very nice people. I mean, people should definitely visit Iran.

51:47>> Um, even now, I mean, even now in Tehran, by the way, if a right now in Tehran, if a woman walks down the street at 11 or 12:00 p.m. at night alone, she's safe. I'm not saying 100% safe, but she is 99.99% safe. And uh but in any case, the point I'm trying to make is that uh the some after the war started, they thought Iran would collapse and then they said, "Oh, well, you know, there's this rally around the flag effect." That is to a degree true, but like 15 million people in Tehran attending a funeral or sex 60 million, I don't know exactly the number, that's not rallying around the flag. You saw people weeping. You saw

52:38people and you know, one of the things that and it was so difficult just getting there. I mean, it's not as if oh well, I'll just go and see what what's going on there. It took me three hours to get there in 35 or 36 degrees Celsius and we almost everyone was wearing black which is terrible in such weather and uh and then I you're in the crowd for hours and it's packed. I mean you you just have to pray that nothing bad happens where there'd be some you know people crushed. they were and the government and the and the security were asking old people not to attend, people with infants not to attend because they were

53:20afraid of of the of the sheer size of the crowd. So I was walking for for hours in the funeral and then it took me a couple of hours to get home after the funeral and I just went and slept because I was just so exhausted. I mean, it was it was it was not just like you go to the local, I don't know, stadium and sit down and drink uh some Coke and have some I don't know popcorn and then go back. It was a you had to spend your whole day and among these six 15 16 million people in Tehran alone I'm not talking about the funeral in the city of B millions in Mashad millions in Iraq millions many people are working class

54:07>> I mean you know they may have lost their jobs Americans bombed their factories or because of the siege on the ports they've lost their jobs or because of the inflation due to the war life has become much more difficult So these people, you know, it's different when I go from when someone who's struggling spends an entire day going to this funeral. So this is not rallying around the flag. This is, you know, this shows a deep bond that exists between the uh the Islamic Republic of Iran, however we want to define it, and the public. And again it's and so in the west if they say well you know people like this you

54:53know crazy regime well perhaps it's not all that crazy as it's uh presented to people there and I've said this u I think maybe on Jimmy door with when I spoke with Jimmy door last and I may and I know some of your viewers who have uh heard me before may get irritated but there are a couple of good books that I think people should read on Iran. One is called going to tan by Flint and Hillary Man Leverett. Both worked in the White House, both academics, both views on Iran evolved over the years. It's a very good book, not published by the Iranians, two Americans, one Catholic, uh Flint, uh Hillary, Jewish, uh both very principled

55:39and decent people. Flint resigned from his uh position in the White House over the Iraq war, which says a lot. Another good book is by Alistister Crook called Resistance: The Essence of the Islamist Revolution.

55:53These two books are good to read. And uh with regards to the nuclear program and Iran wanting to blow up the world, there are a couple of good books too. One is by Peter Oorn called A Dangerous Delusion. He's British, a conservative uh author. And the other is by Gareth Porter. you you you may know of or you may know um he wrote a book called um manufactured crisis. These four books I think people should read and I think if they when they read if they read these books I think they'll have a better understanding of why this does make sense that uh people feel so attached to the state but that doesn't mean when I

56:34say they feel very much attached to the state doesn't mean that people say it's life in Iran is wonderful >> and this is a fantastic place and there's no corruption and everything that the government does is just wonderful. and we're all so happy. No, most people are dissatisfied.

56:52Most people are dissatisfied in polls always. I mean, ever, you know, when you look at the polls that take place in Iran, it the majority of Iranians are dissatisfied.

57:05But that's a different thing than the legitimacy of the state.

57:10See, now even you saying this, we're given the impression that you would disappear after after you said that on an American show. In fact, we were told >> my handlers are asleep right now.

57:23>> Yeah. Ah, so they they're going to miss this. [laughter] We were told I think 10,000 protesters killed, then it turned into 20,000, then it turned into 50,000.

57:36Were protesters killed? And if so, under what circumstances and what kinds of numbers and and who were they?

57:45>> Right. You you're you're going back a few months ago and this was before the >> this was before. Well, this they used this as a pretext and I I think they used it to convince Trump that just like with Iraq, we're going to be greeted as liberators, right? They they convinced him that no, no, the people are going to rise up as soon as we come.

58:05>> That's right. So what happened and I I just in case you're you I I don't remember the dates because the Persian calendar is different from your calendar and uh but this was uh over two days about I few few couple few months before the war began. Um we had what what happened was that there was a a sudden drop in the Iranian currency >> and people came to the streets not in huge numbers but in in like a couple of thousand I guess at least and they were mostly business people. It was in the city center where the businesses are and the marketplace is and uh no one was arrested.

58:51Later on like for two days they came to the streets and no one was arrested. They protested the government meaning the current administration in power the president apologized and said you know you're right. You have your grievances are legitimate. we are trying to fix the situation and and so on. Later on uh the uh US uh treasury secretary um the current treasury secretary he he himself uh took credit for manipulating the Iranian currency and crashing the >> Well, that's his specialty.

59:36>> He did to Britain. Yeah, >> exactly. And so he took credit for it and he and he said, "I brought people to the streets." Okay. So that's a you have people on the streets. Then after a couple of days, we saw this a new different type of crowd enter the protesters, but then overtake them.

59:58Very violent. They started burning uh hospital clinics, buses, taxis, uh fire engines and so on and uh and and beating police. Then in in a two day period, you had extreme violence. On day one, they started killing a large number of police officers.

60:21And uh and then so here I have to go to footnote number two and that is that um channel 14 of Israel uh which is close to Netanyahu they put out a report saying that it you know the Israelis effectively uh intelligence they and they said foreign but it meant Israel or Israel in the United States they were the ones who brought uh to who smuggled in weapons.

60:51large amounts of weapons which led to the killing of hundreds of police officers.

60:57The tweet is still there. I mean the tweet for the program is is it's in English.

61:03Simultaneously um the Mousad in their Persian language media they said that we are on the ground with the the protesters or the rioters to be more >> precise.

61:18uh and then uh Pompeo too said that uh the Musad is on the ground. Later on he expanded further on this. Trump also later on said this. So then the next So then the first night there was heavy there were heavy battles. The second night there were even heavier battles on the streets and in all 3,117 people were killed and the government gave all their names, their ID numbers, who they many of them were police officers, many of them were volunteers, many of them were ordinary people who were killed in the crossfire and many it is believed were people who were targeted by the the uh the these people

62:02who were carrying out the insurrection.

62:03They had weapons. And there's a lot of footage showing them killing people and burning buildings. Like in one clinic uh they burned the clinic and a nurse was inside, she burned to death or they burned a mosque and there were like two young men inside they burned to death and there were lots of such instances.

62:23So the Iranians have put out those numbers of all the people and uh from I I I I don't know the numbers anymore. I mean I don't remember exactly but I think probably like uh the police police officers and officers of the law combined probably 300 350 of them were killed >> if not like 400 or so and then uh among the uh the those people who were carrying out who had guns and who were carrying out the insurrection about 800 or 900 of them were killed. I'm just uh what do you say? You say ballpark numbers. Just guessing. I don't remember it very well and I I can look this up.

63:10>> And then the rest were just people who were on the streets or walking and they just they were being killed and attacked. But uh I have a physician a friend who's a physician and he said like a lot a lot of the people who were brought to his hospital like 10 or 15 and he's an expert in >> uh in English I think you'd call it trauma or >> anyway um you know people who are badly wounded some incident >> and he said they were a lot of them were were shot from very close up or and from behind like 2 meters away, 5 meters away, 10 meters away and uh with the weapons that the the police do not use. So in any

63:56case, the point is that um the Mousad took credit for it, Trump tried to take credit for it, the numbers were inflated, but in reality those who sent in the weapons and and then what the government did was that they during these two days of riots, they cut off the internet.

64:16And when they cut off the internet, things died down immediately.

64:22Why? Because these groups and because these were not because they were saying like these are spontaneous protesters, >> right?

64:30>> Uh spontaneous protesters. I'm not in communication with you. Let's say I'm protesting in this city and you're protesting in that city. I I don't know who you are. you don't know who I'm protesting in my side street burning tires or breaking a few windows and you're doing the same thing somewhere else but um there's no coordination but if there is coordination and then you and I suddenly lose the means to coordinate then the whole thing begins to fall apart and these people were all in coordination both with outside the country and with one another and so as soon as they cut off the internet.

65:11Suddenly, the whole thing began to fall apart and uh it fizzled out. And on day three, nothing happened. Literally on day three, I think it was a Thursday and a Friday. Again, I may be wrong, but this is how I remember it. It was a Thursday and a Friday. I think it was like January 8 or nine in the in your calendar, but I may be wrong. Really sorry. But the literally the day after, like Saturday, if it was like Thursday and Friday, the day after Saturday, you go out on the streets at 1000 p.m.

65:44Nothing's happening any >> um and finally, Professor Miranda, how are things for people on the ground in Iran very early in the second round of strikes? We know there was oil raining from the sky there in Iran. Uh something that could have very severe health impacts on civilians on the ground. Uh of course there was the girl school tragically hit, killing 168.

66:20Um, how are the people in Iran right now after having what most people I think who are fairminded would call war crimes committed against them? How is the day-to-day life there for people?

66:41Well, and I'll just add one final point, and that is that if this really is a regime, as they love to call it, that is killing protesters, peaceful protesters walking down the street, why would so many millions of people go to these to these this funeral?

67:01>> Well, of course.

67:03>> And and you know, Iran Iran is one of the most highly educated societies in the world. The standard of education in Iran is very high and uh literacy is universal and uh we there are many universities.

67:19The percentage of people who graduate from universities in Iran are very high.

67:23So Iranians are not a stupid people and or an ignorant people or illiterate people.

67:31uh that the the numbers clearly show otherwise although there are no such thing as a stupid people but you know you get what I'm saying.

67:39>> Sure.

67:40>> And and also um the Iranians they you know there are hundreds of Persian media outlets outside the country funded by the West in Persian that are day and night attacking Iran >> with disinformation with disinformation.

67:58There's nothing like it in the world.

67:59the Chinese don't have it. The Russians don't have it. And so the Iranians are constantly hearing all sorts of negative things about the country. So it's not as if they're not they're only hearing about the greatness of the leader and the greatness of the government and how everything here is perfect >> and all that. That's that's the actually the opposite is true. They outgun the media that is in Iran because they're much better funded.

68:24Um the the oil issue that you mentioned this this happened during the 30 uh the 40-day war that that uh four months ago and the sky was indeed black. They bombed the >> right >> refinery in Tehran but also a oil depot to the north uh west of the city. I live in the east of the city and uh you know it was sort of like uh you know like the Lord of the Rings where the the sky goes black in the in the movie. It was like that like darkness, >> right?

69:00>> We were very very fortunate that we had rain at a time when you it usually doesn't rain in Iraq the day after >> and so but that created a huge mess because [clears throat] like everywhere was a mess. your car, the you know if you touch the doors, the door knobs everywhere. It's like oily and but still that didn't clean the whole thing and and it and the wind took it. There was wind fortunately but still it was it was it was horrific.

69:30Uh they destroyed the u all uh the the the uh the the oil the uh the >> infrastructure. Yeah. The refinery.

69:41>> Yeah. Yeah. But they focus on the oil itself to to create [clears throat] this environmental disaster.

69:48>> The school in Minab 168 were slaughtered there.

69:54>> Uh you know Trump just a few hours ago I think said that you know this may have been AI or something >> right.

70:00>> And it reminds me by the way about those those uh the insurrection I think January the 8th and 9th. I may be wrong.

70:09Uh which I was discussing. Yeah. January >> afterwards, people came to >> Okay. Yeah. Whatever the date was, uh people came to the streets in protest against the insurrection, against the rioters and they were huge in number. And then uh in the west they were calling it AI.

70:30>> So everything you know when it's if if you bomb Iran it's AI. If the people in Iran are protesting against Western inter interference in Iran's internal affairs, it's all AI. This time the crowd was so huge >> and of course there were quite a few alternative media people including Max Bmanthal here as you pointed out but quite a few others that they they just had to accept that look this is this was huge. But in any case, the atrocities have been ongoing. Just as I as I said at the beginning of the program, a couple of hours before the show, a a children's cancer hospital was what hit was hit in the city of Ahab. Uh it says

71:14it's the capital of the province of Huzan, which borders Iraq and the Persian Gulf.

71:21This is what we're dealing with. I mean, you know, very close to where I am, people would gather at nights and rally in favor of the uh of the uh armed forces and the government and so on.

71:34>> They fired a missile at at that rally, literally a 15minute walk from where I'm sitting right now.

71:41>> And they killed a woman. And then there was another rally that I attended on a Friday. It's called the Good Day Rally.

71:49It's like every last Friday of the month of Ramadan for like since the beginning of the revolution, people would gather on to support the Palestinian people.

71:58They fired a missile at us and uh a woman was killed there too. And there's footage of it. I mean, people, you know, on the streets and then a missile strikes, right? And the and the woman is killed. I mean, bombing gatherings, bombing schools, bombing hospitals, bombing uh apartment blocks. They want to take out a person, they kill everyone in the building. I mean, after Gaza and after Lebanon, I think >> it's very much like Israel. Yeah.

72:29>> Yeah. But I mean, what the Americans are doing is is very much like what is >> and they don't even take responsibility.

72:37I mean, Trump tried to say that the Iranians uh killed the kids in the school.

72:44>> Professor Morandi, thank you very much for joining us. I know it is very very late for you. Uh where can people find you?

72:55>> Well, I'm here right now. [laughter] [laughter] >> So, if people want to come to Tyron >> Yeah. I can give you my address and you can, you know, you can give them directions.

73:10>> Don't do that.

73:11>> But I I I've been removed from Twitter.

73:14I I've been removed, sorry, from Instagram and Facebook a long, long time ago. I have my Twitter account, but that's all I have.

73:22>> All right. So, follow Professor Morandi on Twitter. Watch his appearances.

73:28I don't know when you sleep, but uh we appreciate you coming here.

73:34>> Thank you. very much for having me. It's always a great pleasure being on your show both here and on your own show.

73:42>> Thank you. It's a great honor having you.

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75:38[music] All right, this is Russell Dobular Phil again for Jimmy Door. Uh, let me I got to pull up Katie's bio. Actually, I was busy looking at my exhibits. All right, just give me one second, folks.

75:57All right, here we go. All right, let's set it up again. This is Russell Dobler filling in for Jimmy Door. We have Katie Halper joining us next. She's an American writer, filmmaker, comedian, political commentator who hosts the Katie Halper Show and co-host the Useful Idiots podcast. She directed the documentary Comedy Camp while her writings have appeared in major outlets including the New York Times, The Nation, and The Guardian. She's also a co-founder of the political comedy ensemble, Laughing Liberally, and a national director of living liberal living liberally using satire and journalism to critique establishment

76:40politics. Please welcome our friend Katie Halper.

76:45What's up, Katie?

76:48I think you're muted.

76:49>> Hi, everyone. I'm gonna get cancelled.

76:50That is a little bit no criticism of you, but I have to somehow make sure that that bio doesn't pop up anywhere.

76:57It's very out of date. Um, >> that's what they that's what they handed to me.

77:02>> I know I no longer identify as a liberal, thank God. Um, that [laughter] was a different time. That's when Bush was in office and there was a lot of liberal lefty crossover, but um, yeah.

77:13And I haven't done comedy in a while either, so I don't usually mention that.

77:17And my latest documentary that I'm working on now is about uh Holocaust survivors protesting the Gaza genocide, but besides that, perfect.

77:26>> Mal, [screaming and groaning] >> no, it's not. It's my fault. I should have sent you something. And uh Yeah.

77:31>> Yes.

77:32>> Um are you back in New York? It looks like >> um I'm upstate.

77:37>> Oh, you're still upstate?

77:38>> Yeah.

77:39>> All right, cool. Um >> thank you for having me. I don't mean to sound like a spoiled brat. I just I'm I'm just can see my enemies further to the the left than me um you know mocking me now as a lib. I'm a reformed lib. I was an undercover liberal because I came from a leftist family, but I kind of collaborated.

77:56>> You were like a you were like a red diaper baby, right?

77:59>> Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But I was willing to work with the libs.

78:02>> Uh well, this is this is part of what I wanted to talk to you about. Um they're going to call you a lib no matter what.

78:09So, in the in the wake of the Sanders campaign, uh, a lot of people kind of demited and the Dem exit thing kind of evolved into a post duopoly thing. I'm not a Republican. I'm not a Democrat. I only support independents.

78:29uh in this election cycle, I think for the first time, you've had enough of a momentum shift and enough of a generational shift that you're starting to see candidates who, at least by appearances, represent a lot of what the people who were committed to the Bernie Sanders project believed in. There had never been any candidates like uh Aia Shaveier up in my district or like Valdez getting through Democratic primaries. It had never happened.

79:05>> And you never had anybody like Graham Platner who could plausibly become a senator. I think that has been extremely confusing for a lot of people because I I think uh rightly so a lot of people walked away from the Bernie Sanders campaign, myself included, saying, "Well, you really can't work with Democrats. Even if you like the candidate, they run a rigged game." And uh I think those concerns are still valid.

79:36With Platner, you kind of saw all these threads come together in one thing, in one place, right? You had you had a lot of people absolutely insisting because he had a military history that you can't support him. He went on to be a merc. How can you support this guy? At the same time, he's giving you yes for an answer, right? Gaza is a genocide. We've got to stop weapons to Israel and so on. All this came together until finally when you had the breaking story, the infamous, now infamous glute massage.

80:12Um, it just became the proverbial circular firing squad with very unlikely alignments. The people who would consider themselves, I think, the most radical uh kind of aligned more with the majority report, more more the more the PMC commentators of like, yeah, Platner, he's terrible. Get him out. And you had more people like Janine Ununice, Glenn Greenwald were more like, you know, you're setting a very dangerous precedent because the Democrats are always going to use this once they see that it works. And we're we're going to get into uh the Michigan race where uh sure enough, that's where they're going.

80:52Now, when I when I saw all this happen, it's funny because you mentioned not wanting to be branded a lib.

80:58>> Yeah. Um it seems like no matter what flavor of uh left people are, there is a very strong cancel culture contingent, whether it's the radical left, whether it's the lib left, they like to cancel.

81:14They like that whole thing. So Glenn actually when he was commenting on what his thoughts were about Platner, this was just uh part of what he said. It's hard to explain this, but if you unless you've ever been associated with the left, but the thing about the left is they what they crave more than anything else is not advancing their ideology, not changing society. Obviously, I'm talking generally here, there exceptions, but in general, what they crave most is the ability to denounce and accuse because that makes them feel good.

81:49Yeah, I thought we saw a lot of that coming from very unlikely directions and a lot of people who had been allies came to cross purposes. What were your thoughts about the Platner thing? Did you feel that he needed to be out of the race? Did you feel as Glenn seemed to and a lot of people did, it set a dangerous precedent that if you make that kind of accusation, no trial, nothing, they're they're out because we know the DNC will always use that once they know it works. Indeed, they've already moved on to using it again in the Michigan race. What are your thoughts about that? And what are your thoughts about working with Democrats in

82:30general? Because I think even before this fell apart, there was a lot of consternation like, "Well, hang on.

82:37Well, do you support a Democrat now?" If they're saying yes, it never it literally never really came up before.

82:44Yeah. So I do think that what the things that you're bringing up is the kind of bittersweet uh news that is now Israel in some circles is toxic and Apac is toxic which is great but it also is going to mean that people are faking it and like um you know paying lip service.

83:01So in a way it's a real sign of progress that Israel has become something that people want to run on but we have to be also very um vigilant. Now, I'm not talking about Platiner because I don't actually think he was at all like disingenuous when it came to Israel.

83:13When it comes to the cancellation thing, um I do find it interesting because you had libs who were cancelling him beforehand who hated him, right? And then you had leftists who I agree with on lots of things who were um you know a lot of people when he was finally kind of kicked out were saying stuff like some people you know who we agree with more politically obviously than the libs was were saying stuff like oh it wasn't enough for him to have been in Blackwater like this is what it takes it takes an accusation from a white woman.

83:46Now, I actually don't to me it's not about This sounds so corny, but it's not really about what you've done as much as like where you come from there. Um, which is why I mean I I've said this before and I had Greg Stoker on my show uh last week and you know I do like there is incredible power and organizing power and narrative power in having former veterans who are anti-war. like they are probably are the left's most like best secret weapon or overt weapon I guess. Um so I don't and I don't think and in fact I remember um I don't work for Greg's campaign. It's going to sound like I'm like getting I [laughter]

84:22actually but because he's running for for for Congress but I remember having him on and in the comments people were criticizing him and he said because he has he did like four tours. I'm sorry I'm not getting that may not get all the details but multiple tours in in in the Middle East and he was like okay well good luck like you know good luck turning your back on everyone who's ever served as like a as a someone running for office. So I do think it wasn't so much Platner's past as much as how far he had come. I would have liked to have seen a stronger condemnation from him.

84:54um not in an ultra radical discourse way that would have been alienating, but I think more of a um like a lot of the stuff he said, I was listening to it afterwards. He talked about how like they were useless wars and that's not enough. Like it's not just that it's useless. That's almost reminds me of like the oh Vietnam was a blunder, you know, that was a big mistake. Like there should be a moral indictment. Um and he did do that in some cases. But the truth is I actually kind of stayed away from the platiner thing because I didn't have there are a lot of politicians and candidates who really excite me like

85:24Abdul Aliad I really like him. Um and I was just like that Nazi tattoo I don't Here's what I knew. All I knew is that I hated the people who hated Platner. That was like my biggest that was kind of the most the clearest thing for me. Um no not the people on the left who who hated him because of his um Blackwater uh past. I don't hate those people. like I may have a strategic or political disagreement with them. Um, but I just realized I I can I can really brag about this cuz I was no uh I was uh willing to forgive the Nazi tattoo and the uh and the potentially the Nazi tattoo and the uh Blackwater stuff. So, totally um

86:03equal egalitarian treatment. As a Jew, I I was f you know, I wasn't going to I wasn't going to object to the Nazi tattoo and not the Blackwater, if that makes sense.

86:13>> Right. Um, but I I do think that, you know, I think there's a difference between left and libs, and leftists and libs cancel over different things. Um, Sure. So, I'd love to like talk, >> but but they behave the same way more or less.

86:27>> Yeah, there is a self-righteousness, but a lot of our our pe like our friends do that, too. And I find it a little bit I actually, you know, where I really, this is going to get me cancelled, but I find the >> I sometimes find the people who are the most critical of electoral politics and present themselves as the most radical and like um cleareyed and they see through everything. I find that those people sometimes are the ones who fetishize electoral politics because honestly if you get what electoral politics are you get that it's one part of something and someone's going to be in power or not right and

87:03I'm not suggesting people like rally around Joe Biden but someone is going to be in power or not and I don't think it's a bad thing to want Zoron Mandani in power and yeah push him push him and say that there are certain systemic things that no one will ever escape within electoral politics but to me that's actually more realist than uh and less naive than the people who I think can obsess over uh party politics and like third parties because again uh I'm not opposed to them. I've had lots of greens on my show, but I also think that you kind of have to judge uh case by case basis. Yes, the duopoly is

87:36limiting, but are there cases where someone's going to be able to get into office and make concrete differences?

87:40Yeah. And there's no cool the thing about this argument is like there's no real audience for this because you're so uncool on the left if you say this stuff. And of course our the libs don't like it either because we're inherently kind of critiquing electoralism as inherently flawed. Not just like flawed at this moment because there's money in politics.

87:58>> Yeah. That's what's always funny when you get the accusation that that this take is a sellout take.

88:04>> Oh my god.

88:06>> Sellout take. I mean, the real money in this business is to go full Gunther Eagleman.

88:12>> Like, if you just have no morals, like that's where you want to go. That's where the money is. Or or go on the other side, go full like pod save, >> you know, just just that that's it. But this lane, yeah, you got to be like allergic to money.

88:28>> Yeah.

88:28>> To to go this way. Uh you mentioned Mandani and this is an argument I I've been making for people who are uh you know radical and want more radical reforms as do I.

88:44You know most people are not aware even of the conversation you guys are having.

88:50Right. When they think of socialism and leftism they look at mom Donnie.

88:54>> Right. Good luck convincing them to listen to what you have to say about your more radical political project if they're perception is that this guy is a failure.

89:07>> Right.

89:08>> You you should hope this guy succeeds.

89:10>> Exactly. That's a good point.

89:11>> And promotes the brand of socialism. So then you could say, "Well, you like what he did. This is what I'm about." But I think it became for a lot of people a political identity to be in opposition.

89:27>> Yeah.

89:28>> Specifically to Democrats because you could do you could say something positive about Thomas Massie >> and you will Marjgery Taylor Green.

89:38>> Yeah. Say something.

89:39>> Tucker Carlson, >> right? Tucker Carlson.

89:42>> Not a politician, but same principle.

89:43Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Right. No one will call you a sellout even though you know pretty preppy guy. I mean, he says some great stuff about about Israel, but Yeah.

89:51>> Sure. Sure. Well, and with Tucker Carlson, you have, you know, a lot more that you would disagree with politically, right, >> than a Manny, >> but you say something positive about Manny, it's a meltdown. you know, go going to China, going to Vietnam, it definitely gave me some perspective on what it takes to build a revolution.

90:16>> And you're we're so not there. So, at that at that point, nobody wants to say the word accelerationist, but that that's what it's about. Like that's why you don't want anyone who's going to make things a little better because hey well that's going to make the system more palatable >> but you're not in a position to take advantage of a social collapse.

90:41>> So what are you trying to do? You know who's in a position to take advantage of it? Peter Teal, >> right? Ex. Yeah, that's a really good point which is that I mean again some of my best friends have the positions that I'm criticizing right now really. And um I think what's interesting is that I often like okay just say you're an accelerationist just like own it. That's like then we can talk about what we're really talking about. But it's it's often it's like what it it's like grievance politics which I get because I have them also. But the question is what are we going to do? And so, you know,

91:14sometimes I remember talking to someone who I really respect and, you know, I was saying like, okay, obviously can we just admit that Trump is a lot worse uh than uh the Dems domestically domestically, right?

91:28>> Um and I would say not better foreign policy wise either, but that's another story. This was early on and um he was like, "Well, no, because uh look at look what Joe Biden did with the railway workers." And yes, that's true. The point is like of course there are too many similarities and of course it's pathetic that Biden, the big labor guy like you know kneecapped uh striking uh railway workers, but that does not make them equivalent. And that is because and I bring this up because this is a really smart person and I know he's an accelerationist but he won't say that out loud.

92:02>> They never will.

92:03>> Yeah. Closet closeted accelerationist.

92:06Yeah.

92:07>> Like hey, I understand why you'd feel that way. Make the case, >> right? Yeah, that's it. Make the case.

92:13Yeah. Yeah. And it's and it's not enough to just tell me about how bad the Dems are because I know I know that, you know, it's not like I'm someone who thinks that we're really have a good and evil, >> right? Well, I I voted for Jill Stein and we openly, you know, said in advance we were we're going to vote for Jill Stein. And my personal my main rationale for that or for withholding a vote is to get leverage. I felt if they know you'll vote for them when they're endorsing genocide, what leverage do you have, >> right?

92:49>> Like why even why even vote? And that's where it raises the question, okay, so if your leverage bears fruit, like now you showed you won't vote for that and you start to get politicians who are legitimately anti- genocide. Now, are you just in the habit of attacking Democrats? So like even when like why did what did you want leverage for if you and why would anybody come around to your point of view if you're only going to attack them? like why not just at that point align with the Zionists?

93:22They'll give you whatever you want if you align with them. Why why go the other way if you're not going to support them?

93:28>> Um yeah, which isn't to say you don't critique, but I I agree. Yeah, I agree.

93:32You can't tell.

93:33>> Well, well, of course.

93:34>> And I know that. I don't tell you that.

93:36Yeah.

93:37>> What do What do you think about uh Shamas campaign out there? It's >> I honestly haven't been following it that much this time around. I've had her on in the past, but I haven't been. What about you?

93:48>> Uh I'm sorry you cut out a little bit.

93:51>> I I I've had her on in the past, but I haven't uh this round. What What are your thoughts on it?

93:57>> Um I think that is a good and a rare example of an independent campaign that's not quicksotic. Um where she because it's a jungle primary, it's unique circumstances, she could actually win. Um, so yeah, I think that's an I think that's an important campaign. I I find, you know, just like as you get older, you sound like your parents. Um, I find the longer you're in the activist space, the more you sound like that 70-year-old activist you met when you started. Like eventually they evolve into Yes. They're not really members of political parties. They support causes and they take candidates on a

94:40case-bycase basis. That's where you end up because it's it's the only thing you can really you can really do. And I don't argue against trying to build a more radical political project.

94:53The perspective I got out of going to Vietnam, going to China is that's a generational project, >> right?

95:00>> Like you got to be down for that. You got to you got to be willing to commit to something you're probably not going to live to see. And if you can't do that, I don't even know what you're talking about because that's what it's gonna take. And I and I must say, as Americans, we're probably uniquely unqualified to build that kind of a movement because we want we want things now. We want instant gratification. Tell an American, yeah, well, this is probably going to take, you know, 50 years, 100 years. [laughter] What do you mean? Right. Um so uh we have seen I think the fruit of of their work on

95:38platiner bor bearing out in uh Michigan now. So Abdul El say this is what he had to say on Gaza. As soon as you hear what he had to say you'll know why they're pulling out all the stops to take him down.

95:54like identify the systematic murder of tens of thousands of kids as a genocide and then you want to say that you're a fighter for human rights and dignity.

96:05That's just hypocrisy. So I just think if you can't call the the most heinous violation of human rights what it is, it's hard for me to believe that you're going to go and fight the Trump administration or fight the pharma CEOs or fight the health insurance CEOs who are making my life unlivable.

96:21>> Mhm. Well, so, uh, here's his opponent.

96:25Here's his opponent in a now infamous kind of scary Midsummer moment.

96:31>> Yeah.

96:31>> Talking about how Israel comes to her in her dreams.

96:35>> And in the United States Congress, I will continue to fight for the people of Israel. I will continue for Israel.

96:46>> Mooney. Mooney.

96:48>> Israel comes to me dreams. I see Israel's future and I know that Israel will continue to exist for the Jewish people.

96:57>> All right. So, >> how much of a nut? We talked about this a little bit on my show, but like do you realize how much of a nut you have to be to say stuff like that if you're neither Jewish nor Christian Zionist?

97:08>> Like that's not like is she I guess is she just going to stake out the the the the territory of being a Christian Zionist? I mean that is like some like evangelical uh born-again discourse or or interestingly enough and I know you understand this like it it is also the the discourse of an a religious or totally secular Jew.

97:29>> Uh well it's it's the discourse of somebody who got over $5 million from Apac.

97:35>> Right. But [clears throat] I mean it comes to me in my dreams but they're night it's nightmares what [laughter] I'm saying.

97:40>> Yeah. their nightmares and she just comes off as a crazy person like this looks like a documentary of a cult.

97:48>> Yeah. Right.

97:49>> Where you see somebody making that kind of an announcement and then uh she's she's also I mean as if that you know that's kind of terrifying. Then this is going around now. This is just kind of uh clownish.

98:04>> Be working on our behalf. I am going to be telling the stories on our behalf.

98:10You better believe I'm going to be doing it with a little bit of joy, a little bit of enthusiasm, a little bit of energy, and a little bit of it to them [laughter] because that's the Mish game way.

98:21>> Little bit of sick to them.

98:23>> I mean, I almost love her. I love her as a bit.

98:26>> Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah.

98:28>> The the there's like some classic SNL Yeah.

98:31>> sketch character.

98:33>> Uh well, a lot of people are comparing it to the Chris Farley Van down by the river character.

98:38>> Oh, yeah. Uh, so Ryan Graham, according to Nerra Tanden, this is the safe obvious pick for the general. Yeah, but as as we all learned long ago, they would always rather lose to a Republican than win with anyone to the left of Francisco Franco.

98:58>> And uh, on top of that, that's not even a real accent. She's doing a Cy Bush here.

99:03>> Yeah.

99:06sharing in the profession with those who have not come before you. Similar times of trying medical needs and flu pass.

99:14You will see darkness. You will be pushed. And our societ she she doesn't she doesn't have to talk like she just climbed off the back of an ice truck in 1934.

99:26>> Right. Right.

99:26>> If she doesn't want to, somebody told her that was going to work for her.

99:30>> Exactly. Yeah.

99:32>> Yeah. Don't sound like the guy who has a scary name.

99:36>> Exactly.

99:36>> Yeah.

99:37>> So now look, Graham Platner, he obviously had a complicated past. That was something he was open about.

99:47>> Uh not so with her opponent. Uh that's that's not going to stop them though.

99:54>> So Abdul El has been getting ads like this run against him.

100:02of Democratic women groups call Abdul Elsa's attacks on Haley Stevens sexist [music] and the same tired playbook used against women. That's what El does.

100:13Elsed called Michelle Obama's uninspired and ineffectual. He claimed Gretch was bought and an employee said they were [music] offered payment to keep silent aftering Eled disparaging women. Let's reject Abdul Eled's sexist attacks. UDP is responsible for the content of >> and there's nothing gendered in any of that.

100:35>> No. Right. That's the irony is like sometimes people will say stuff and you're kind of like, you know, you cringe a little bit. You're you don't disagree with them even on their attack, but you're like, I don't use that word.

100:44Uh even sometimes it's something that it it's like you like play you want to play devil's advocate to kind of immunize them and you're like please don't use any possible word. Ineffective. Like what is that? Is that something that I don't know about that's gendered and Here it's like so this is an AP pack funded cutout, right? That released this this >> Emily's List. Yes.

101:05>> Oh, this was in Emily's List. Okay.

101:07>> Uh well well they're quoted in there.

101:09>> Well, they quote Yeah, they quote Shannon Watts and Emily's List. Uh Emily's List has like never found a um a conservative centrist corporate Democrat that they don't love and they will always uh go with that person over the actual progressive and over the actual feminist. And Emily's list, I just want to say a little thing. I mean, this is a lot of this is the Hillary Bernie um uh dichotomy that we saw.

101:34>> Sure.

101:34>> And you know, regard this has nothing to do with whether or not you think Bernie was a sellout. I mean, you know, going back to kind of our conversation.

101:42>> Here's the deal.

101:43>> Hillary Clinton is a woman. That's true.

101:45She likes to talk about being a woman.

101:48Bernie Sanders is not a woman. And his record was much better when it comes to women's issues. Not only the direct obvious ones like abortion, but stuff like, and if you are an intersectional feminist, which all these women claim to be, you would understand this that when Bernie Sanders supports raising the minimum wage and Hillary Clinton doesn't, that is Bernie Sanders doing a policy better for women and women of color in particular. When you are a someone like Abdullah Sied and you oppose a genocide, guess who that's good for? I know that for people like Emily's list, Palestinian women don't count. But

102:22if I'm being charitable, if they cared to to examine their fervid nationalism, um maybe they would care about the fact that women and girls are being tortured, blown to bits, you know, like deprived of um like menstrual pads in jails, right? They were being sexually humiliated. Maybe these people have seen the IDF wearing the lingerie of Palestinian women. I mean, this is this is such personal identity politics and it it has nothing to do with women's rights. It has everything to do with how much someone resonates with the story, right? This is the same thing with Hillary Clinton. Like they saw

102:58themselves in Hillary Clinton because they worked hard. And look, I'm sure we all deal like a lot of people deal with sexism um in a casual way. Uh not the way that the women of Gaza deal with it.

103:09But uh I just think that we're we're we should be very uh wary of this. And here's a hint about uh the fact that here here's a good way of of realizing that uh that Abdullah says is not sexist. One is they have nothing except for establishment Democrats saying that he's bad. Like they don't have anything from anyone who worked with him. They literally like cut to a a DNC op who's going to tell you why he's bad. Oh wow.

103:34I'm really convinced. I thought he was a good guy, but now that I know that Emily's List and Shannon Watts don't like him, now I'm convinced because they're very honest um you know, brokers and judges of character.

103:45>> Oh yeah, here here it is. Don't even start.

103:48>> And also note that they don't bring up a single piece of policy because there is nothing that he is worth. There's nothing she's better on. In fact, if you go to their websites, he is much more vocal about uh Roie Wade than she is.

104:00And Medicare for all is something he cares about. And that some is something that disproportionately helps women too.

104:05No, th this is this is just disgusting.

104:09>> And you know, going back to we kind of have a theme going here like what do you do with a problem like the Democratic party now? I started off kind of with the positive talking about a bombi that kind of thing. Hey, use it to promote something more radical. This is great that you got a guy identifying as a socialist who's popular and competent.

104:30And then you have this other side like how do you work with people like this?

104:33How do you work with people like that?

104:35This this watching this gives me flashbacks.

104:38>> Yeah.

104:38>> To dealing with the Democrats because now I think a lot of us have just checked out on the Democrats. We don't usually pay that kind of close attention to their shenanigans.

104:48>> Uh but here are their shenanigans.

104:49Here's a reminder.

104:52>> Um endorsed Haley Stevens in Michigan >> and I'm, you know, I'm getting so much grief over that. Again, I think it's a great example of a show horse versus a workhorse. It's not easy to stand up as a woman >> for other women, especially online. Like the blowback is swift and furious and I, you know, that's obviously sexism. Like, >> how do we how do we do this online? Push back on these narratives that aren't true about who we are and and what we should advocate for and in real life.

105:22Like, how do we make this shift when women only hold 25% of the 500,000 elected positions in this country? like every time we can demonstrate that a woman can win in a place that someone told us that we couldn't, we are we are carrying that forward. Um, but I also think, you know, it's why even though anytime you say even just a a a simple positive thing in some of these races, you could end up being eviscerated online for it that we keep showing up and doing it, right? And we need to keep showing up and doing it because that is so critically important to our ability to push past this. Um otherwise we're

105:58just handing it over to them, right?

105:59We're kind of like here's the cesspool of the manosphere and you can take it.

106:04Uh we we have to be willing to stand up and say no these attacks on Haley Stevens are sexist and we're not going to let that stand even when um it is really painful. And then you know that you carrying that over to these lessons that we're seeing in Maine. All of those months of people eviscerating us for kind of speaking the truth about who this man was and today we're living those very real consequences of that.

106:30>> Yeah. Can we have a moment of silence for these women for being eviscerated online?

106:35>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

106:36>> They're so This is the thing I was saying. Everything for them is direct biography and personal experience and they feel like they've been attacked.

106:46Okay. First of all, it's like they're they make it sound like they're speaking for the voiceless and they have the guts to come out and defend a sitting member of Congress who is running for Senate, like who gets money from Apac. This woman is not a a a disenfranchised person. She's a member of the elite and they happen to want her to become senator because they like having more women in powerful positions so they can also advocate for the status quo. That's basically what they want. And by the way, both of those women, Jessica and >> Yeah. Let me let me let me throw this up. I didn't set it up. Oh, yeah.

107:19>> Yeah. Uh it's between Zionist Shannon Watts and Apacfunded Emily's List Jessica Mler.

107:29>> Yes. And they're both cited.

107:31>> And they're both cited in that video that we just watched before >> they quote Shannon Watts and Jessica M.

107:38So Shannon is the one who says sexist and then the tired talking points or whatever the entire game. But like honestly, first of all, they must have been so pissed with Daria Lisa and Claire Valdez and all the other people who are winning their primaries. Uh they must be like every time a woman of color wins uh who's in DSA, they must like be having a I don't know, they call each other probably and get like a Manny Petty and and have like a margarita to to to dry drown their tears. But it's just so funny that these people and also Shannon Watts is a Buddhist which is hilarious. Apparently she meditate

108:11not kidding. I don't think she and and you know they're Jews who are Buddhists but I don't think she's Jewish but she um and again this makes it even weirder and it's not like I it's not you don't get like an I don't excuse Jewish supremacists but it's a little bit like more expected when you're just like a liberal Jew or a pet progressive on Palestine. I'm not surprised that some dumb like Deborah Messing uh though she's really dumb. But I'm not going to be surprised that she like signs a letter thanking Joe Biden for defending Israel after October 7th. But Shannon Waltz also signed a letter saying that

108:43she also talked about the sexual assa um the rape that happened on October 7th.

108:47The rape that actually didn't happen on October 7th, right? And here's the the the litmus test. Look, >> do is it easy to fall for this mass rape hoax about October 7th? because you only had to look at the New York Times, right? You didn't have to turn to like Alra Miner or whatever. But here's the thing. Now, we know that there have been sexual assaults. Like, I don't you don't First of all, I highly recommend people read the Palestinian Feminist Collective report on sexual violence that they just released. I'm going to have someone on to talk about that on my show next week.

109:18But like, forget that. just knowing following at all like you know that there was at least one sexual assault a rape a gang rape captured on video right and we know that the Israeli society uh protested not the rape but protested the attempt to hold the rapist accountable we know that a member of the Knesset said it's justifiable to insert sticks into people's rectums so where are all these feminists who care about sexual violence why aren't they up in arms that Dana Bashes that Jake Tapper I mean again I I guess I'm naive cuz I really thought they were just to cover their asses. Like I didn't expect them to

109:54retract. I didn't expect them to say all these witnesses have been debunked. Um I didn't expect them to say the the family members of the woman who was the star of the New York Times article said that it was misrepresented. No, they're not going to apologize or anything like that. But I just thought that maybe they would pretend that they care about rape even when the victims are Palestinian.

110:14>> Uh they can't. They can't because one, >> the way that they get paid, they can't go there.

110:23>> They can't go there. It would it would destroy their whole grift.

110:27>> Um, and also just ideologically the world that they live in, >> they can't they can't. This is why >> they'd be shunned and they'd also This is why it's so hard to change people's minds about things like this because if you think this way Yeah, you're right.

110:43Their whole professional and social network is built around that. It's like leaving a cult, >> right? It is true. It is leaving a cult.

110:50And now, by the way, you know what Shannon Watts's uh careers were before this?

110:55>> What's up?

110:56>> She was a um Hold on. Where is this? Um she worked as vice president of communications at health insurance giant Wellpoint and also was uh held a number of public relations jobs at GE Healthcare, Monsanto, and Fleshman Hillard.

111:11>> What a shock. I know you never see that coming. You never see that coming.

111:15Right. And by the way, listen, just one other thing. I'm sorry. I get so I hate when people weaponize sexism. I can't stand it. It's like they are their definition of sexism is Abdul Elsai running against a woman and not invoking any sexist tropes. Okay. By that argument, Haley Stevens is a racist Islamophobe.

111:35>> Right. Sure. Sure.

111:37>> Every time she accuses him, criticizes him, I'm going to, you know, call her that. And by the way, did you see that Dana Bash, speaking of like rape uh deniers, did you see Dana Bash? It was literally I don't know if you cover this but the night of the Michigan debate Netanyahu came on CNN Dana Bash said to him the only way because the only way like Schumer only way that Zionist like Schumer politicians or uh you know Rahm Emanuel or Zionist in the media like Dana Bash can ever criticize Israel is if they argue it's bad for Jews and especially Israeli Jews. Right? So Dana Bash has Netanyahu on and she says to

112:14him, you know, what do you say to these Jewish um lawmakers who say that you are making Jews less safe? Uh I'm talking about Haley Stevens and Netanyahu was like, well then she probably thinks that you know she does she he basically thought that she was like a maybe critical of Zionism and Dana Bash is like no no no she's a good one but she's not right.

112:35>> Why does she bring up Haley Stevens?

112:37She's not Jewish, right? She mentions Jewish lawmakers. It was so transparent >> then. So then you get uh uh Netanyahu criticizing Haley Stevens, right? And some apparatic from Biden, rapid response, a press guy for Biden clips that okay, him criticizing her. They leave off the end where he's like, "Thank you, Haley, for all you do."

112:57after he learns that she is a big Israel supporter.

112:59>> Um Nera Tanden uh retweets this. His name is Andrew Bates, the guy who clips it. Um, and then she Haley brings it up uh twice during the debate because it is such an incestuous gross circle jerk of corporate Zionist shills. And it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but there's no way that what are the odds she brings up uh Haley Stevens when talking about Jewish lawmakers, which she's not, in an interview with Netanyahu the day of the debate. And another thing that Dana Bash did is I don't know if you guys remember this, this is an insane story, but basically Dana Nestle, who was the attorney general of Michigan and someone

113:37who like Shannon Watts and everyone should be uh condemning because she's just bad bad like lib bad because she refused to prosecute the Republican governor of Michigan for his >> on on Flint. Yeah. Yeah.

113:51>> Jordan got into that a lot.

113:53>> Yeah. Yeah.

113:54>> Right. But she went really hard on people protesting about Gaza, right? And Rashida Slave said um that there was a double standard uh in terms of the treatment of protesters because if you were protesting about Gaza, you were a lot more punished than you were if you were protesting about BLM or or climate, right? So Dana Nestle tweets out that Rashida Slab had said she couldn't do her job because of her religion. Do you remember? This is such an insane story.

114:22Do you remember Rashidita Slab was the subject of that really racist vile cartoon that had like a a p a pager on her desk and she's like, "Oh, did someone just ring my pager?"

114:33>> I I didn't say that. No.

114:34>> So So Dana Nestle in the most the bitchiest pass most passive aggressive way ever. This is how she defends Rasheed slave. She cites that racist cartoon that was that was broadly condemned and says this is Islamophobic and wrong just like it's wrong to imply that I can't do my job because of my religion. Okay. Again, Rashidita, >> I I I now I remember what you're talking about. Actually, I think I covered this.

114:59>> And then what happens next? Jake Tapper asks Gretchen Whitmer on the Sunday morning news show on his State of the Union um what he has to say about the fact that uh Rashidita Slave said she couldn't do her job because of her religion. Whitmer has no idea what he's talking about because she's not used to probably like people at CNN just literally regurgitating the tweets of attorney general.

115:22>> Right. Right.

115:23>> So she kind of does this diplomatic response. Next day Jewish insider tweets writes an article about how Gretchen Whitmer refuses to condemn anti-semitism.

115:33Jake Tapper does a no Dana Bash does a segment on it and the segment is about how both the Democrats and the Republicans refuse to condemn anti-semitism and her example of the Democrats refusing to condemn anti-semitism is Gretchen Whitmer not condemning uh Rashida Slave and so again it's a con I mean I'm not a conspiracy theorist there just was obviously sure you know and you sound crazy if you say that but >> well well watching this Now they were kind of back on their heels for a second and you can really see that getting Platner's scalp emboldened them.

116:13>> Yes.

116:14>> To go back to the identity politics playbook.

116:17>> The mayor, oh no, this this can still work. It can still work. And that's all they have. And that's why so many of us walked away from the Democratic party. I can't I can't imagine ever going out and saying, "Yeah, work with this Democrat again." Because even if I believed in the candidate, I don't believe in the party. Look what just happened with Platner. Whether it's true, not true, whatever. I'm not litigating that.

116:44Clearly, it was an orchestrated hit job on him. You want to say he had a past that made him particularly vulnerable to those kinds of attacks? Sure. Als and they're still doing it to him, right?

116:57Yeah.

116:58>> Right. Like that was irrelevant. That was just that just made it easier for them.

117:02>> Right. And none of these people, by the way, I mean, I interviewed Tara Reed and none of these people said anything about Tara Reed when she came forward.

117:09Nothing. I mean, so the rank hypocrisy and then a lot of them later condemned her and said, you know, after like the entire liberal media threw everything in the kitchen sink at this woman to expose like that she didn't pay rent sometimes or whatever. You know what I mean? It was like such a It was such poverty shaming.

117:26>> Um but there was no more cooperation for this woman than for Tara Reed and none of these people said anything.

117:32>> Less way less over the years.

117:34>> Yeah.

117:34>> Yeah. No, it was the same thing when uh when uh Hillary was running. If you brought up um if you brought up uh what Bill Clinton want Yeah. No, no, no. I'm having a brain fart. Um >> Monica Lewinsky.

117:50>> Monica Lewinsky. Yeah. If you brought up Monica Lewinsky, uh, I literally had women who would exoriate any Republican man who had done that, who indeed had been exoriating Bill Clinton for that.

118:04All of a sudden, flip to she was old enough to know what she was doing.

118:07>> Yeah. Yeah.

118:08>> All of all of a sudden it was No. No.

118:11That's true. Right. because they were obsessed with again cuz their feminism stop or their solidarity with women is like trumped by their own personal identification. So they care more about what happens to Hillary Clinton because they see themselves in her >> or there then there's other stuff where people just have weird issues with men like I mean I my friend went out on a date with someone who was like I don't like Bernie because he reminds me of my grandfather. It's like okay well how maybe I hope your grandfather was yelling about like Medicare for all.

118:40That sounds like a good guy, but if it's like it was so aesthetic and then there's remember the he makes my skin crawl that Nene uh robot woman.

118:48>> Yes. Which which if they liked Bernie, she would have lost her job for being an anti-semite.

118:53>> 100%.

118:54>> If Bernie had been had been an establishment candidate and somebody said that >> these are anti-semitic tropes. What about when Joanne Reed, who's who's I would love to ask her if she has any regrets about this given how I mean, we're talking about Hillary Clinton who just like gave literally wrote an op-ed endorsing Trump's Gaza plan. I think Bernie Sanders a lot I mean a lot of people watching I know think he did not go far enough and does not go far enough in Gaza. But there is no comparison between where he is on this and Hillary Clinton. In fact, no comparison between where he is on this

119:27and any single senator. But I will say, >> well, Hillary Clinton just endorsed the the Gaza.

119:33>> Yeah, the peace plan. Did Did I Yeah.

119:35Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. She just wrote an op ed endorsing. Yeah.

119:38>> Um, so, uh, but remember when Joanne Reed brought in a body language expert to talk about how Bernie Sanders was turtling?

119:46>> Turtling. Yes.

119:47>> Turtling. Yes.

119:48>> Yes.

119:49>> I mean, please, if he been establishment and people talking about the wagging finger, they would have been accused of anti-semitism as they should be. I call that juiculating.

119:57But >> you're welcome everyone.

119:59>> But but you know what?

120:01You know what? It's working because El Say look who he's running against. He's McMaro dropped out. He's running against this freak. This this this clownish Apac freak. And now the latest poll up seven.

120:20>> She's up she's up seven. And according to drops site, Apac super PAC is vastly outspending progressive Senate candidate Abdul Elsed on the airwaves in Michigan's Democratic primary in the final stretch. Over the next seven days, the Apac affiliated United Democracy project will spend 4.6 million backing Haley Stevens, Sed's establishment rival. While Elsed's campaign is set to spend 489,000 according to figures from the firm ADL packed. Never heard of that. Outside groups have poured more than $41 million into the race. Half of it boosting Stevens, a longtime Apac ally, or attacking Elsa, who has made the lobby

121:14spending a centerpiece of his campaign.

121:17about 2.7 million went to support the Republican Mike Rogers.

121:22>> 10 10.7 million. 10 >> 10.7 Yeah.

121:27>> Uh David Ceroda made a good point here.

121:30If Apac can succeed in buying a Senate race for a candidate this stilted and robotic, then make no mistake about it, they can buy any race anywhere in America for anyone else. I almost think they're trying to prove exactly that in order to send a message. Yeah. Yeah, th >> this this is giving me it's it's giving me PTSD flashbacks.

121:51>> Yes. Well, also remember like the argument that that I love this argument.

121:56Oh, it's it's not that we people have said this about Bernie, too, right? It's not that we don't like him. It's just that he's not electable. The country just isn't ready to elect a Jew, but is ready to elect a woman, first of all.

122:05But with this case, yeah, she's so electable that Apac needs to dump all this money into her.

122:10>> Like, is is she so much more palatable?

122:12If she were that great a candidate, they probably wouldn't have to do that. But it's it's working on these morons. It's working on them that they they kind of dishonestly claimed an Obama connection and you're seeing people going out and voting on that basis. It's Yeah. Now you watch this at the top. You know, we talked a little bit about why you might want to here and there support a Democrat. This is an example of why you wouldn't. And I Yes. like watching this as a veteran of the whole Sanders Hillary thing, it's giving me flashbacks and it just shows you >> you gave them an inch >> and they're going to go the mile because

122:51they have no meaningful economic politics. They have no meaningful program. This is all they have any opportunity to go back to it. That's and that's how they interpreted Platner.

123:04>> Yeah. Yeah. So now Russell Davular here filling in for Jimmy Door with our friend Katie Halper.

123:10Uh Roana is somebody that has been a lot better who's been working with Thomas Massie on some important legislation on the Epstein files and now we'll get into the NDAA. Uh, but to his credit, Jeremy Scill went there, went to a place I think a lot of people don't necessarily want to go with Ro.

123:35Okay. He's perceived as one of the good ones, right?

123:38>> He'll come to shows, he'll disagree with you. He doesn't get like personal, take it personally. Yeah.

123:44>> I'm saying all things that make people want to have it, you know, be nice to him.

123:48>> Oh, hang on. You know what? I got to load that in because I ran out of slots.

123:53>> Uh, but go on. No, I was just saying I mean I'm someone who yeah I've had Roan on. I think he's very nice and he does go on the he he's not afraid of going on shows with people he disagrees with.

124:03He's like one of the only people who goes on you know a lot of people would go on shows uh leftist shows until they get into office and then they stop. But he has not.

124:12>> Right. Right. He went he went on he went on with Nick on Revolutionary Blackout Network.

124:17>> Uh okay. So this this has gone viral and uh yeah it calls out the core contradictions in supporting Israel and acknowledging what Israel is. It's kind of one or the other and Ro wants it both ways >> this about apartheid South Africa. I've heard you talk about >> Well, because I think because >> Give me another example where you say it's okay to to continue any level of support for an openly genocidal society that has mass murdered 80,000 people, more than 300 media workers, has invaded Lebanon, has bombed Iran, and you're saying, "Oh, but we need to protect civilians." This isn't about protecting

124:54civilians. The greatest threat to their civilians is their policy. And so I don't understand why you have even one qualified shred of support for a uh sniper mass murderer masquerading as the only democracy in the Middle East. Well, but I don't I'm not saying that the United States should be supporting the funding for Iron Dome. Just so be very clear. I'm saying that we shouldn't be restricting Israel from being able to get the Iron Dome or be able to develop the Iron Dome technology. Why >> stop there? Everything else you're saying makes so much sense. Why do you stop there? It feels to me like you're

125:27trying to have it both ways on this issue. So you can say, "Well, I actually support uh, you know, defending the Israeli civilians." You're not defending Israeli civilians with that policy.

125:35You're defending the snipers ability to keep killing because it won't face the ultimate accountability, which is a total embargo on all support for an aparttheid state.

125:43>> Yeah. I I don't think you have to put at risk. There are you would agree there are innocent civilians in Israel, right?

125:49Including uh 20% being Arab-Israelis. I mean, I I just don't think that you have to put their lives at risk to achieve the ends of stopping the apartheid, stopping the occupation. Uh, >> Israel puts their lives at risk by Israel puts their lives at risk by waging genocidal wars with the support of a significant portion of its population and by enabling them by saying, "Well, the sniper still needs to have uh his cover or or well, you know, I stop at this thing." What you're saying is that the accountability then doesn't lie on on American policy toward Israel. It's s sort of something abstract. Well, Israeli civilians could

126:27die. Israeli civilians are dying in these attacks because of the apartheid.

126:31You know, Palestinian do Palestinians have a right to kill Israeli soldiers, congressman, on October 7th when they attacked the military bases in the Gaza envelope. Did the Kasam brigades and suruds have a right to kill Israeli soldiers? Yes or no?

126:44>> Who? On October 7th, did Palestinians have a right to to attack Israeli military bases in the Gaza envelope? Yes or no?

126:53>> I mean, I I think October 7th's attack was a terrorist attack. So, I don't >> Was it a terrorist attack when they the first targets that were hit on the morning of October 7th were multiple military bases? Did Palestinian forces have a right to attack those military bases?

127:07>> I I am not for violent violence again in in any way. I mean, I am for making sure that we uh end the >> They have a right to do it, Congressman.

127:19Do they have a right to attack Israeli soldiers?

127:22>> No, I'm not I'm not going to say that Hamas had a right to attack Israeli soldiers or is or kill Israelis. Like, I don't I don't think that advances peace or or or advances uh uh Palestinian statethood. Did is did Israel have a right to drop a single bomb in Gaza in response to October 7th?

127:44>> I believe Israel had the right to get get people who killed uh the civilians, but not in the way they went about it, which is I which I've said is genocide.

127:54>> But the Palestinians don't have a right to attack the very military bases that are running the killing operations on October 6th, 2023 or October 5th, 2023.

128:04It's a double standard. You're saying there are ways that Israel should be able to kill Palestinians, but there is never a condition under which Palestinians can attack armed uniformed soldiers of a force that is still considered an occupying force under international law. I don't make it make sense to me.

128:23>> Yeah. And uh just put a uh button on that. Dave Smith commented, "All Jeremy Scill did was insist on a universal standard for the moral use of violence. The Israel firsters are flipping out because that insistence undermines their entire worldview, >> right?"

128:43>> Yeah, very well said, very succinct.

128:46Yeah, that's exactly what it is. They're going nuts right now if you've seen the discourse around this.

128:52>> Yes, they are. And you know what's interesting is that people are talking about what Jeremy said as if it's this totally radical like outside the parameters of acceptable discourse. Now it's outside of the parameters of acceptable corporate media discourse and acceptable political discourse.

129:09>> But you know and the only thing I would have said that I mean I think Jeremy was did a fantastic job. The only thing I would have said would have been a good reminder is that this is not just like this is not this is settled law. like this is there's a UN um resolution, UN General Assembly resolution uh from 1982 and it affirms quote the legitimacy of the struggle of people for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means including armed struggle. So the question really is now to be clear that does not that does not

129:48just uh allow like morality aside right just going through what this means like you're not allowed to target civilians and you're not allowed to say oh well these civilians uh they're Israeli so they served in the military in the past or they will in the future that's also does they have to be active duty right but >> right >> what is stunning is that like people don't know that that that's a that that is an enshrined principle in international humanitarian law and that what the irony is that like I think if if Kana had said Israel has no right to bomb anyone in Gaza including like Hamas maybe his his saying that Hamas has no

130:28right to kill any Israeli soldiers would have had made more s I mean I still don't think it holds up it doesn't it's not the law right but just morally if he was like a total pacifist like he's kind of framing himself to be then yeah you would oppose state violence or uh you know extra extra state violence um on both sides, right? But but the truth is it's it's it's actually legal what Hamas does if they are attacking soldiers and it's not legal what Israel does, >> right? Um and I think that what he really blew the lid off here is uh the South Africa question.

131:12Do you do you support an apartheid state? Right? Like if you're acknowledging it's an apartheid state, it's kind of the end of the conversation, right? Like there is no further conversation about their legitimate right to defend themselves and certainly for us to be party to supporting that defense. You can't ro wants to have it both ways. Um, now is that >> how much of this is be I mean I don't even I don't want to suggest that I'm like justifying it, but I wonder honestly if like is it the end of someone's political career if they say that there is even though it's in and this is what's so funny is that the

131:51idiots who are like the Israel Firsters are they're just outing themselves as not knowing what international humanitarian law says about this because again they're they're just revealing that they've never looked into this at all. It's a very basic thing. Right.

132:04right?

132:05>> Um that they are allowed to do this. You are allowed to raise up you are allowed to raise arms and kill occupying soldiers. Now they may not like that but it's it's the it is that that is the established convention. So when people are saying how atrocious this is or it's illegal or it's terrorism it's like literally it's the opp it's not terrorism. It happens to not be terrorism. Now we can have a whole other discussion over what is terrorism and you know what's justified and double standard blah blah blah but I do wonder is it like can you not do you think that anyone who's acknowledge the fact that

132:35it is the law uh IHL just would have no political career left because they would just cut the the ad right away.

132:43>> Uh at his at at Ro Kana's level of the game. Uh yeah, I think they would probably destroy you, which hey man, I get why people don't at all want to work with the Democratic party cuz you look at Roana. Yeah, that's probably about as good >> as you're going to get >> and it's not nearly good enough. We did just have breaking news right before we went on the air that a hundred Democrats came out in support of the Massie uh Kana bill to cut funding to Israel. Uh but is that the rotating villain technique? I suspect it is. And >> they have enough to defeat it anyway. Go ahead.

133:28>> Right. Right. And Khan just went came back from the West Bank, right? And he was actually like detained. So he is he does, you know, does do good stuff. Um, I mean, part of me just thinks like maybe if we make this if more and more journalists bring this up, maybe it becomes a normal it can be normalized this idea. Um, I'm not, you know, and again, he was he was he was kind of answering questions about like what he thought was better for the Palestinian peace process and for statehood. And that's not really what Jeremy was asking. He was asking if they have the right.

133:59>> Right. Well, well, that's what that's why this blew up the way it did because he got to the heart of the matter. He questioned the basic premise that Israel has a right to exist as an apartheid state. Right.

134:11>> He went right at that.

134:12>> Yes. Right.

134:14>> Um or >> and also question the premise of defensive versus offensive weapons, >> right?

134:19>> Because they were talking about the Iron Dome and Yeah.

134:21>> Well, well, yeah. And the entire the the entire standard of well, >> didn't if Israel has the right to do this, doesn't Hamas have the right to do that? Like the these are third rails.

134:33They're going to come after Scill >> very, but again, they're such idiots. That's the thing. They're such idiots. Like, they don't even know that they're Again, it's kind of like when people mention, and I don't I've not seen any evidence of this, but the um you know, that the population has has increased in Gaza or so, how could it be a genocide, but like all they're saying is I don't know the definition of genocide because genocide does not actually require a population to decrease. I mean, we need to just make a sign. I feel like every single time I can't stand when people say it's not genocide because it's just such a I

135:09hate like the combination of of condescension and stu and rank stupidity or just lying out of your like literally the idea that some random Zionist or like contrarian uh knows more about genocide than like the near consensus of genocide scholars than you know what is it is it uh Bethl the Israeli I don't I'm trying not I'm not trying to elevate Jewish voices over non-Jewish but like by their game are they a self-loathing human rights organization this Jewish Israeli organization that says it's a genocide you know like >> well well I I'm sure like myself you have spoken to Zionists and yes that is

135:50what they will say >> right they're cappos yeah >> they call me capo katy they think it's very clever alliteration >> capo [laughter] Yeah. Great. Yeah.

136:03>> Uh, okay. Finally, I want to get into this a little bit uh before I let you go. All right. Russell Dobler filling in for Jimmy Door here with the great Katie Halper, whose documentary Comedy Camp is on the verge of being released. Right.

136:20We're gonna see it soon. I hope.

136:22>> Yeah, I believe.

136:22>> Uh, all right. Bit of good news. Don't want to leave people totally blackpilled. The Senate voted against the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act, 50 to 46, denying Israel a merger with the US. Those 46 who voted in favor should face charges for treason. Yeah, absolutely. So, here's the Senate Republicans trying to spin this. Democrats just blocked a defense bill that for more than 60 years has passed with overwhelming bipartisan support. denying our men and women in uniform the pay and tools they need to defend this country. Unprecedented and shameful. Power to the people responded,

137:10"You left out the part where the bill merges the US military with Israel's military. You treasonous bastards." And I got to say, if you go into the comments section of the Senate Republicans own account, it's pretty much like that. Yeah, I'm sure >> this is something the right, the left, everybody can pretty much agree on. Uh, now it's not over. Thomas Massie here calling out Hakee Jeff who just came out to oppose the Mass Masana amendment cutting all US aid to Israel.

137:46>> Minority leader Jeff opposes the Mass Masana amendment to cut three billion of aid to Israel. believes members of his party to vote their conscience. My conscience is clear. I will be voting against using American tax dollars to fund genocide. And drop site points out Hakee Jeffy's decision to oppose an amendment to cut 3.3 billion in US military aid to Israel comes weeks after Apac pack sent a record 149,300 earmarked contribution to his joint fundraising committee sludge reports it is the largest earmarked dispersement Apex pack has ever made and nearly 30 times the standard.

138:335,000 per election limit for a multicandidate pack giving directly to one candidate. And Gen Xgirl here, one of the best researchers in the biz, Apac spent $810,990 lobbying the Pentagon to merge the US military with Israel. Uh so I always whenever I cover this, I want to share the phone number. Call your senators to vote no. This is not over. Not over by a long shot. 2022 22243121.

139:13Call your senators. Shut this down. So Katie, do you think we're going to be able to successfully shut this down? And if we don't, at that point, doesn't it just become dangerous for anyone who wants to speak out to even live in this country? Like are we looking at going, you know, 1930s people have to go into exile? Who once the Israeli intelligence services are inside the American intelligence services? How are you how are we even going to do things like this? Like how would you even have these shows going, >> right? Well, I want to give uh Hakeim Jeff a shout out because a lot of people are bought by Apac. Um what is it who uh

139:53Charlamine the God called him? Um >> uh Apoch. Yeah, Apox Shakor. Um, but not everyone literally like uh channels segregationist uh George Wallace, the four-term governor of Alabama who famously said, "Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." Hakeem Jeff literally said, "Israel uh tomorrow, Israel uh Israel now, Israel tomorrow, Israel forever."

140:19It was like almost his subconscious was was drawing the parallel between uh you know supremacy, white supremacy and uh Jewish supremacy uh the KKK and the you know settlers, however you want to do it or the actual just IDF. Um but I guess the KKK would be the better parallel because they're not official actors of the state. Um but I mean yeah I don't know. Uh I think that this is scary. I'm not sure like uh you know this should make you feel better actually. Uh Russ, maybe this may will make you feel better. We already have a lot of like coordination anyway.

140:55>> So it is worse. And I actually >> What's the difference? Is that what you're saying? [laughter] >> Kind of. I had I had Dennis uh Cassinich on and I'm and I asked him this question and I'm trying to remember what the actual difference is. But there is a difference. Um but it's not I mean I don't I don't want >> Well, he he's really he's been going around talking about this a lot. He went on Tucker and talked about this.

141:17>> Yeah. Well, before there was before there was uh Tucker, there was the Katie Halper show. He spoke to me for before Tucker. I'm sure he got that bump. No, no, I'm kidding. But um and hi Dennis if you're watching. And Dennis has been on this show a bunch. Um it's a bit apparently the big one of the big difference is the biotech issue. Um and it's an official legislative mer merger.

141:38But yeah, I mean it is of course it's scary and uh people should be up in arms about it and it's not that hard to sell to oppose it, >> right? like both sides. I mean, this is one of the things where Republicans, unless they're, >> you know, well, okay, America firsters, right, should be >> less than excited about this.

141:57>> And that and that is that is the bright spot. Even, as I said, even on the Senate Republicans page, it was overwhelmingly negative responses.

142:08>> It's too overt, you know? It's like, you got to sell it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You gota there's an art there's an art to like um to merging with a genocidal government and it's not by officially doing it.

142:20>> Yes. Yeah. You have to be a little secret little subtlety.

142:23>> Yeah. Yeah.

142:24>> All right. Katie, where do people find you?

142:28>> Oh, okay. Thank you so much. So, you can find me at youtube.com/thekatyhelper show every Tuesday night at 7:00 p.m.

142:35EST and most Fridays at 12:00 p.m. I honestly part of the reason I started doing the additional stream during the daytime was to be able to have um Dr.

142:43Muhammad Mirandi on uh the hardest working man in uh >> See, that's very considerate of you.

142:49>> Yeah, but right because it's he's I I really worry about his health because he's he's so he's so prolific and he's so brilliant and um he's so generous with his time. So, you can definitely check him out frequently. I'm actually going to have Roan on I think next week.

143:04I'm not sure, but I'm going to have him on. Um, >> you're going to play that clip.

143:08>> I will. Yeah, I will. It'll be also about what he experienced at uh in the West Bank. Um, but yes, I will hold his feet to the fire. I'm not always good at that. I have to admit, especially I like the people. Um, >> but I'm getting better. And um where >> honestly I feel you, man. Like there's people that I like personally >> Yeah. that I don't invite on the show >> because you don't want to >> because right >> I couldn't give an honest interview without it being confrontational and I don't have the >> hard Yeah, exactly.

143:38>> Um patreon.comthecat helper show. I'm also the co-host of useful idiots with Aaron Mate. Uh there's a substack for that. So yeah, definitely. Um, oh, we had a great I did a great interview, um, you guys should all have her on. Um, with Marta Havishko, who is a Ukrainian professor and historian, who is like just such an important voice about um about the proxy war and the corruption of the Ukrainian government. She's Ukrainian, you know, she's not so it's not that easy to call her Putin, but yeah, she's really good.

144:13>> Yeah. All right, Katie, thank you very much. It's been great having you on.

144:18Look forward to seeing you back in our fair city.

144:21>> Yes. And welcome back to this hellgate.

144:25[laughter] >> Enjoy your time upstate. See you, Katie.

144:30All right. Uh, so we will go to some super chats before we change over to Rumble.

144:37Uh, all right. Let's see. Let's see what you guys came up with here.

144:42There we go. All right. French Laundry props for getting you said Mr. Miranda. I'm gonna I'm gonna give him his honorific professor Miranda on the show. Russ and team T-Bone, please talk about what happened to Max Blumenthal. We did we did mention it a little bit. Uh, love the DD and the JD show very much. T-Bone. Um, yeah, we tried to get Max on tonight. It was it was short notice. He's a family man. And it would have been late because I already had uh Professor Miranda and Katie lined up. Uh MTN Star Studio, the poker tells come from pattern recognition of the disparities between words versus

145:27actions. Planmic scam demic Epstein WF game plan. ZIB-BM.

145:35I feel like I just got neurallinginguistically programmed. Uh, MTN Star Studio, many poker games within the chessboards gambit. Yep. Roger Meadows, in regards to African labor exploitation. By no means was I making it sound as if we were better. I was merely outlining what the tradeoffs were. It sounds like I'm walking into the middle of a debate that I wasn't a part of. What also Roger Meadows when I said oh last week about China encroaching on the natural environment wasn't talking about how clean it is for humans but wildlife habitats destroyed.

146:11Now I remember now I remember what you're talking about. Yeah. You know I I'm I'm going to do a big China special on due dissidence. I just want to do it right. So it's taken some time to put it together. Um but uh you know the in in China's history what they will argue because they'll get a lot of this about the um about the three gorgeous dam. Uh China throughout its history had these horrific uh floods that the dam stopped.

146:43So that is an element of it. uh now people who were displaced from their villages. I will say that you don't see a lot of historic villages in China.

146:53They weren't sentimental about it. When they did urban renewal, they literally raised a lot of those villages. Not that none of them exist, but not really where I was. As a result, they build a lot of like ancient village themed kind of shopping areas where it's designed to look like that. Um but regarding environmental impacts of like the three gorges dam, they would argue yeah and China throughout its history for thousands of years would have people's whole uh villages get wiped out by these floods that the dams put an end to. Uh P. Walker, the USA is the one suffering from two factions. Those who have been

147:37to Island and those who haven't. True that. All right, we'll get to the next batch here. Uh, username.

147:47The status quo under this horrid regime is inherently unethical. Acceleration is the only moral stance when doing nothing results in genocide and apartheid. Yep.

147:58C. Callaway just came to say I could really use a glute massage. That's not an invitation, Russ, but the door is unlocked. Winky face, don't come over.

148:07Lol. JK. Am I making myself clear?

148:11What are you suggesting, sir? Are you suggesting that story is a little dodgy?

148:16Empire we are. In the eyes of empire, you are either servant, livestock, or enemy. In 1979, Iran went from trusted servant to hated enemy almost overnight.

148:28The hatred of the United States towards Iran is structural. Yeah. Well, like the hatred of Russia. Uh Roger Meadows, boomers died, thus loosening their grip on the party. Less fans gatekeeping.

148:40Well, they're doing making a pretty good run of it in Michigan. Roger Meadows, the Bernie agenda, who are now losing their hold is not really because of us, but nature. In a matter of 10 years, 10 million. Yeah, I mean, I've been saying that. Uh, Mountain Star Studio, I'm assuming MTN stands for mountain world as gambling casino. Most games are rigged. Yep. Okay, let's get to the last batch here. Roger Meadow, as we put our pat ourselves on the back for pushing Dem Party toward Bernie, keep in mind boomers who acted as gatekeepers for the party to marginalize against. Yeah, well, they're showing up in Michigan.

149:21Worstkill Katie and Russ Avengers Assemble. Thank you. No fried bologona bologoney. As a woman, I don't identify with other women just because they happen to be women. Some of my best friends are men. That's the best way to be. Username. I judge people by how they behave and how they treat me. That's all I really care about. The status and other people. The status quo under this horrid regime is inherently unethical.

149:51Acceleration is the only moral stance for doing nothing results in genocide and apart. Did you pay us twice for that or did that get copied over twice?

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150:01Please earmark this donation for the establishment of a pro- feminism, proaparide DNC voting block. They really deserve their own lobby to elevate these brave voices. Good one. Uh, okay, that's it. All right, those are all our super chats. We are going to go over to Rumble, do a couple more segments where we will be joined by the Ker Man. And the curt man cometh.

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