0:01All right, you guys, happy Tuesday. I hope everyone enjoyed the long weekend.
0:05You absolutely know that I did because I went to a Yay concert. I'm going to tell you all about that. Easily the most inspiring show that I have ever been to and I saw it at the exact right time because I keep telling you guys, I am back. I feel healed. I'm fighting now with a very clear mind, which is good uh because in 2 days, it will be the 1-year anniversary of Charlie's passing.
0:29And I've been listening to the Kanye West classics. So, the forecast is not looking good this week for those that betrayed Charlie Kirk. Stay indoors. In fact, this just might wind up being the coldest story ever told. See what I did there?
0:42Turning Point USA is firing up the anniversary engine, so to speak. First, Erica Kirk has moved to publish a 1-year look back on her grief in an op-ed for The New York Times and it's not exactly uh a tearjerker. I've read it. So, we're going to go through that. In addition, Blake Neff has shared a totally bizarre detail about a conversation that he had in the hospital shortly after Charlie was pronounced dead. It is not good.
1:08It is not going to do anything about those pesky rumors. And we're going to talk about all of this. Welcome back to Candace.
1:32What a weekend, you guys. Okay, so I'm sitting at a peak of inspiration in this moment. In case you did not know, the artist formerly known as Kanye West, Yay, he has been touring and he has been selling out stadiums that are between 70,000-100,000 seats all over the world, it should be mentioned. Um he's essentially doing a world tour that is equal to Taylor Swift's Eras Tour.
1:58And he's doing it amidst a total media blackout. That's what makes this really a cultural phenomenon because the media they cannot stand to acknowledge the success of those that it attempted to destroy. Okay, I'm going to say that again. The media cannot stand to acknowledge the persistent success of individuals that they attempted to destroy. Okay, hence the crash out from people online who dedicate their lives full-time to try to destroy me. They were completely traumatized by me living my life this weekend. I saw one person posted their conversation with Grok about whether it's safe for me to go to
2:38a concert at 8 months pregnant. And Grok said, "No, the baby could be startled by the music because their hearing is developed." Okay. And then I saw the same people who told us that overwhelming happiness and fireworks displayed at a funeral was perfectly normal stuff, right? Those same people were then trying to convince us that by happiness and fireworks that were displayed at a Ye concert 1 year later was completely unacceptable.
3:07Things are just hilariously backward. I also wish to underscore the sincere stupidity of their excuse as to why fireworks were okay at Charlie's funeral. They were like, "Charlie loved pyrotechnics."
3:20Yeah, I'm sure he did when he was celebrating. I'm sure he also loved birthday cards, birthday cake, candles, hot girls in bikinis. That does not make any of those things appropriate in a funeral setting. It's just a bizarre way to try to argue that people were wrong for feeling weird about the celebratory nature of a funeral. Anyway, enough about that. I have to show you guys some clips from Ye's return to the stage.
3:46Here is the crowd singing Heartless.
3:50And [music] I am borrowing this footage.
3:52>> Heartless.
3:55>> [cheering] [music] >> And we just just look at that stadium size and one of my favorites, this is famous and the cameras which were turned on the crowd, take a listen here.
4:16>> [music] [music] >> And both nights he closed out the the show with his song Runaway. I'm just mentioning here by the way, I'm borrowing this footage of people on Instagram. I did not record one second of I was just way too excited. I was a a a true fan, no time to be behind a camera lens. But he closed out both shows with his song Runaway. Uh just amazing because when it starts he just makes one piano note and everyone goes crazy. He essentially has made one piano note famous and then he starts playing more notes and the the crowd just goes wild. Take a look at this.
5:21>> [cheering] [music] >> All I can say is that it was a night of art, moving art. There's no other way to express what I witnessed, what I felt.
5:45It was something that was uplifting and it further inspired me. And it's difficult to express to audiences what Ye returning to Chicago during the week of Charlie's death anniversary meant to me.
5:57Obviously, you guys know Charlie was from Chicago. He's very proud of that.
6:00He loved Kanye. Thanks to me. He loved the song Homecoming in particular, which is Kanye's It was his ode to Chicago effectively. And it all just felt to me extremely providential. The timing of it all. And I should also mention that Ye had not been back on stage in his hometown in over 6 years. So, there was no way in the world that I was going to miss this show. Months ago, we started planning to attend. We were willing, of course, to pay ourselves to go, but Ye's team was like, "Absolutely not." They went above and beyond. We had the most fantastic time.
6:36We landed into Chicago thinking that we'd have plenty of time to go to dinner before going to the show, but the traffic was insane. He He just shut down the city. The entire city was attending this concert. That's what it felt like.
6:48By the time we got to our hotel through all the traffic, we had about 15 minutes to drop our bags before heading over to Ye's hotel. And it was just such a beautiful and wonderful thing to see people just lined up outside. And really, they were just waiting for him to exit his motorcade. Just to cheer and take photos and applaud as he was leaving his hotel. And they just wanted to wave.
7:13I stopped and take and then took photos with um a lot of those people.
7:17Uh we have a lot of joint fans. And it was exciting for me as well just to be with people again after a long year.
7:26I do have to tell you guys I had this terrible terribly awkward moment in the lobby, the hotel lobby.
7:33My brain just sort of glitched for a second. We were grabbing our concert passes. And I'm speaking to someone on his team. And suddenly, I look behind them and Kim Kardashian's in the lobby.
7:43I hadn't seen her since like pre-divorce. I was so confused. I'm thinking, "Oh, no. Oh, my. She's going to this concert." And you know, I've said some things about Kim. And now I'm about to be in a box with her all night because you know, gay makes up with people at random times. And I was [laughter] just like, "Ooh." I kind of just stared across the lobby at her with a half smile. Have you ever seen that viral staredown meme from >> [laughter] >> from that show? You've likely seen the meme. It's it's Diddy and that gay guy looking back and forth at each other. I was effectively the gay guy in the
8:17scenario. This is This is live footage of me and Kim K in the lobby. Take a look.
8:28>> [laughter] [gasps] >> I was like, "Okay." It was all fine.
8:43Turns out she was actually in town for a show that Northwest had the following night. It's all good. No hard feelings, everybody. No hard feelings. All love to her and hers.
8:53Now, from there we then went to the concert in the motorcade, got to witness greatness. We had all access passes so we could actually go to any section in the arena. But as as soon as we were up in a box and I saw the energy and the movement of the people on the ground essentially just having a party, I looked at my husband, I looked at security, and I was like, "I got Come on. You guys know I have to be down there. I just I got to be down there."
9:13And so, I was down to crowd surf at 8 months pregnant. It's just who I am. I I was so energized. It was just I I can't express the most You can still go see the concert. If you're on the fence about doing that, I think uh his next US date is maybe in Dallas.
9:31I might be wrong. Might be Houston. Go.
9:33Anyway, I wanted to to introduce this because I Like I said at the top, there's a lot of people who don't understand which I can understand how you don't understand what Ye means to the world and what he means to culture and why people like myself truly believe he is the greatest artist living. Because you probably have seen him through the lens of the media and you probably did not grow up with his music and I'm going to do my best to very quickly explain this to you because it's relevant honestly, it's relevant to the person that I am today. There is a depth to his artistry that even if you never become a
10:05fan of his music, it is good for you to grasp at least peripherally um why he has this effect and he's able to survive all of these quote-unquote cancellations. In fact, um I told you guys the story many times before, but when Charlie and I were driving up in a rental car that we had picked up at Denver Airport and we had this 3-hour journey up the mountainside to wherever we were going.
10:28We were just listening to music and I realized that he didn't know Kanye West music at all and I mean like he didn't know the difference between Kanye West and Jay-Z and I was like stop the car. This is not a thing.
10:41You are from Chicago and I just sort of took him through the story and the journey and I'm going to give you guys a crash course from that car ride effectively which which turned Charlie into a big Ye fan. He would then run 10 miles a day to his music and we would text about it all the time and just feel really inspired and uplifted by it. But I want to start with this little snippet from an interview that Kanye, back then he was called Kanye, uh gave to This is 2013. He he was giving an interview to the BBC regarding his quote-unquote fans and this is what he said.
11:16>> Go listen to all my music. It's the codes of self-esteem. It's the codes of who you are.
11:21If you're a Kanye West fan, you're not a fan of me, you're a fan of yourself.
11:25You will believe in yourself.
11:28I'm just the espresso.
11:30I'm just the shot in the morning to get you going.
11:33To make you believe that you can overcome that situation that you're dealing with all the time.
11:39>> So if you grew up listening to Kanye West music, you understand that he really is sort of a a white hacker as it's referred to in the Matrix, right?
11:48We live in a matrix of some description.
11:50There's a certain computer code that's running that we are impacted by that we are meant to follow and we don't really know who's programming, right? We don't know who's writing this code only that they expect us to exist mindlessly within it and any person that notices that there is this code is perceived as an immediate threat, right? Kanye's music represented a hacking to that code. He is correct. Like you listen to what he's saying and suddenly you start recognizing that why do I think this?
12:23Why am I not allowed to think this? And I'm going to give you an example. One of his first mainstream songs was entitled All Falls Down. It was a song where he laid out, which was quite shocking, all of his insecurities. Right, no artist had ever done this before at this stage a famous person referring to his own shortcomings, his financial irresponsibility, his inability to pronounce certain words in the song as well. Prior to we we all sort of had this idea of fame being unattainable in a way and then Kanye drops drops All Falls Down and he's calling everyone out and I felt very seen by his lyrics. He was speaking
13:04about in one in one verse he's speaking about a woman in college and the lyrics are Man, I promise she's so self-conscious. She has no idea what she's doing in college. The major that she majors in don't make no money, but she won't drop out. Her parents will look at her funny. Then he says, "Now tell me that ain't insecure. The concept of school seems so secure." That was me.
13:24I had no idea what I was doing in college. Journalism and English double major, what idea? No clue. I was just following the embedded matrix code that if you don't sign up for I guess government debt >> [laughter] >> I had no money to go to college.
13:37Signed up for government debt anyways.
13:38If you don't sign up, if you don't go to school, then you're a failure. Right?
13:42That's just a code and we don't know why we do the things other than insecurity.
13:46That's peer pressure and insecurity which cost me about $150,000 in student loans and you're just sort of scared that you're not going to fit in unless you do what everyone else is doing and he's speaking to that.
14:01And then he has uh the second verse of that where he addresses himself and he and he says, "Man, I promise. I'm so self-conscious. That's why you always see me with at least one of my watches.
14:10Roleys and Porsches done drove me crazy.
14:13I can't even pronounce nothing past that Versace." So he's talking about Versace and Roleys being Rolexes and Porsches being uh Cartier watches and he's so self-conscious that he he feels like he has to wear this stuff. He can't even pronounce Versace.
14:29You should uh know that young Kanye had aspirations to be in fashion. We'd see that later in his life even if he couldn't pronounce the words, right? He couldn't pronounce Versace but he loved fashion. And that in and of itself is meant to be a bar to entry.
14:43Like you're not saying the words right.
14:45So how could you be fashionable if you don't know that it's Versace and not Versace?
14:50How could you know anything about anything if you can't pronounce all of these tricky French words um like um I don't know I think Cartier is French. I don't even know if it's French actually.
15:01And it all really culminates in the song when he says, "It seems we're living the American dream. The people highest up have the lowest self-esteem. The prettiest people do the ugliest things bent on the road to riches and diamond rings." And that is a reality. I have seen that up close. It's what people will be willing to do to get to the top.
15:19What people will be willing to do to have money. And when you get up there, you sort of realize that these people do not have any self-esteem whatsoever. Um and they are they will be will do practically anything uh to maintain their popularity because they have such low self-esteem.
15:38That has been the consistent messaging of his music, which is why it's so funny if people who who don't listen to it, they think he's so narcissistic because he just believes in himself. And but if you listen to his music, you're like, "Narcissistic? This man is constantly expressing talking about his addictions, talking about the traps in life, talking about um the lure of women, him not doing the right thing, talking about his divorce, talking about uh the mistakes that he's made."
16:03Letting people know that you essentially have to believe in yourself is has been Kanye's consistent messaging. Like the current design of the matrix is to lean into whatever it is that they think uh will make you feel too self-conscious to express yourself, right? It's like you're not allowed to run counter to the mainstream. You're what however you feel is not allowed to be counter to the mainstream and they want you to feel isolated and alone. Um they tell you who to like, what's fashionable, who's cool, who's crazy. Of course, that's one of their favorite tools. This person has gone crazy. You
16:38don't want to be associated with crazy, so even if you kind of like that person, you don't want to express that publicly.
16:43Um that's that's kind of how it works and uh why you don't belong in certain crowds. There's that messaging as well.
16:52So, for me it was why you can't like Trump. Well, you're black, right? Then when I expressed that I like Trump, it became "Well, now you have to like Trump forever." Well, I don't like him anymore. Why can't I change my mind on the basis of what he's actually doing?
17:06Why can't I now despise all the things that he's doing? Oh, then you're going to get kicked out of this crowd. You just got welcomed into this crowd. You were in Magaland, now you're kicked out of Magaland.
17:15And and for a very long time the media had the power to create and to delete people with what seemed like a Department of Defense level budget. Now that we know that they engage in this sort of stuff, uh the media has always operated as the real digital assassins. And that really is until Ye.
17:38No one faced that enemy harder than Ye did. Not many people understood what he was doing. Many people still do not understand the battles that he fought.
17:45It's very to understand it outside of his music, like I said. Uh he has never been accused of being a great orator. So when he sits down for interviews, it sometimes a lot of times goes very sideways. But if you followed his music, you understood it. And I stressed this to Charlie that it's all about learning that as you climb, the pot of gold that they're going to offer you for your soul or to stop growing at a certain level gets bigger. And it also comes with bigger guardrails. And it's hard not to say yes to that.
18:16Kanye started as a Grammy Award-winning producer. He was making beats for the biggest artists in the world. And then he said, "I want to be a rapper." And he was told, "No. Keep making beats. This is where you are. You're great at this."
18:29And he said, "I don't accept that no."
18:31Um and he went on to become a Grammy-winning rapper.
18:35And he was a rapper and decided that he wanted to get into fashion. And he was told, "No. You're an artist. You're at the top of your game. You have everything. You don't belong in fashion."
18:43But he didn't accept that no. And he did it anyways. And then he created a billion-dollar brand of sneakers, Yeezy.
18:53And then came even bigger offers, the Adidas and the Gap deals, and they were worth billions. And all Ye had to do to maintain that was to shut up about politics. And that was a pretty I mean, I would say that that's an offer that most people would take. Don't express just don't express that you like Trump.
19:14Don't talk about Jewish power in Hollywood or the messages that certain Jewish people in your life are sending you.
19:21And you can be a billionaire.
19:23I've been in the room with those sorts of offers, not billions ever offered to me, of course, but I definitely said no to a lot of millions. I've told you that story. It was when Kanye tweeted that he was about to go Def Con Def Con 3 on some Jewish people in his life and the amount of peer pressure that anybody who had a platform faced.
19:44Make a statement about Kanye. Call him crazy. Say something is wrong. I remember sitting in that conference room. I had nothing to do with the statement. Literally nothing to do with it. And despite everyone in the world condemning him, they needed me to make that statement because they knew I was friends with him.
19:59And they just wanted a simple message that, you know, they copy and pasted, I I do not abide by anti-Semitism in all of its forms and what Kanye is doing is wrong. And so many people who were in his life made that statement. Uh and I didn't. And so the consequence that I faced at the Daily Wire after a very heated conference, literally the co-CEO banged his fists. He was like, "Why won't you do this for us? Don't you realize how hard this is for Ben that you won't make a statement?" Like I look back and I could you imagine if I had uh sold Kanye out for Ben Shapiro? It's like it's funny to reflect
20:37on.
20:38But I held the line.
20:40And um I lost millions because of it.
20:42Yeah, they changed my contract because of it. So they needed to build trust with me.
20:48So they edited the contract and put in a different clause because of what Kanye said.
20:53We have to think about that uh and think about yourself and if you were Ye and you were offered billions and all you had to do was shut up to maintain it, so be somewhat controlled, how many of you guys honestly would have acquiesced to that? Probably a lot of people.
21:12At maybe at this level where I'm at, the ask is simply um say nothing about Charlie Kirk's assassination or say something and pretend to be overwhelmed by the evidence that this one person did it and act alone.
21:30And we'll give you millions, hundreds of thousands, who knows what the what the number is. Would you do it?
21:36I think people are doing it for a lot less.
21:39We know that Charlie faced that moment in his own life. I know he did. I know what Andrew told me.
21:45BB offered to take Turning Point to the next level. You you can only imagine the weight of what Charlie was facing in those final weeks of his life when he was at a table and offers were made to him and I think we all know that he said no.
22:03He said no, like yay said no, yay let it all burn to the ground. I never get tired of telling the story but when those decisions were made and when Adidas and Gap pulled their deals back and he was no longer a billionaire, I was in tears. I Seeing someone that you've looked up to your whole life who has fought and won various battles, uh really the only battle is just to to be himself, suddenly have everything stripped away from him in a moment, including his marriage, right? The demise of his marriage happened at the exact same time. I just felt tremendous sadness.
22:33And when I spoke to him on the phone and I am talking I spoke to him within hours of that public announcement of Adidas making that public announcement.
22:42I will never forget what he said.
22:45He said I'm finally free.
22:50>> [snorts] >> I thought he was going to be upset and he said I'm finally free.
22:54And I always reflect on the weight and the courage of that statement and how it shaped me.
22:59Uh of course a year and a half later, it is exactly what I would refer to in my own mind and what I would tweet when it was announced that I was parting from the Daily Wire, aka fired.
23:11I tweeted, "The rumors are true.
23:13I am finally free."
23:15I just wanted to be free. Take it all.
23:17Do what you do. Have the media matrix lie, paint me as some villain because I said genocide is always wrong. Ban me from Australia after that Zionist lobby of Australia getting me banned like I'm some threat to society because in politics you have to be pro-Israel or get destroyed and have your character destroyed. Yeah, I had the courage to believe in myself and to rebuild because Ye had the courage before me and that's what he means to culture and to so many people.
23:48And boy did he rebuild and that's really what the concert was about. It was just against all odds.
23:55He had the ability to not sell himself out and he resurrected his own career.
24:02Ye actually shared this meme which was created by one of his fans online of of what it felt like to those who had followed his story and then watched his return to Chicago with so many other artists by his side brought on stage or in the audience like I was just supporting him and their take on it was Avengers style. Take a look at this. I love it.
24:39>> Avengers!
24:46>> Assemble.
24:47>> No!
24:48>> [screaming] >> This is so great.
25:00>> I just love that. It's It is that he beat can- He beat cancel culture. You can't never take that from him.
25:06No one thought he was coming back after uh the last couple of years and how quickly he came back.
25:13I do also love that it's the Avengers, not the Revengers.
25:18Because there's an important distinction between the words avenge and revenge.
25:21And the latter, revenge, signifies a personal vendetta, personal malice, vigilante justice in a sense wherein you're sort of taking the law into your own hands. Like there's an inherent anger and a selfishness in that pursuit.
25:34But to avenge something is different, right? It's cleaner. It's not angry.
25:38It's the restoration of moral order.
25:42Like a defense of the helpless.
25:45And I feel like in this moment we are collectively avenging the public execution of Charlie Kirk. And I've said I'm not angry anymore. I still would sit down with all of the characters in Charlie's life who I think are moving suspiciously. I wake up and I am happy every day because I think that it has brought people from both sides together like on this team of Avengers. Um we all sense that what we're doing is about restoring moral order. That what happened on September 10th of last year cannot stand.
26:21And it won't stand.
26:23And we all sense that And know now that the Department of War is seeking revenge on us for doing so.
26:31Revenge is not going to cut it.
26:33Anger is not going to cut it. Truth is going to win the day. And I have a strong hunch, as I always have, that we are going to win this thing.
26:42Um by the way, I love watching this clip on rewind because every time a new Yiannopoulos dropped, I would just be singing it in the back seat distracting Charlie from driving. Here's another very quick installment in the Candace culturing Charlie chapters. Never-ending chapters.
27:02>> [music] >> Too many great moments. Um a lot that I'm bringing up from the archives and I'll be sharing on September 10th. And just seeing Ye back on stage is just so much that has just come full circle.
27:25And even my introduction to the world to the cultural world, Charlie was with me. All right? He was with me when I met Ye. He was by my side. He made it into the Ye documentary that was released last year.
27:39Um when Ye introduced me on TMZ, Charlie was there. I mean, you can see him in the background if you watch the full interview and Ye is talking about the ever-relevant topic of being intentionally deplatformed. Me, at the time, I was not being platformed by the hip-hop world cuz I didn't fit neatly into the box of what a black person was supposed to be.
28:04And uh I love this moment. Take a listen.
28:08>> Okay, so Ebro, I FaceTime him and I'm there with Candace, right? And Ebro starts bringing up these his version of facts, right? And Candace has facts.
28:18She's researched, right?
28:19>> Candace Owens has facts. She's researched.
28:22>> And then Candace just pulls out her Jedi lightsaber and just you know, chops Ebro's head off with facts. Then Ebro FaceTimes me the next day and he's talking about the scoop scoop poop. He wants to talk about music now. I said, "Yo, you going to have Candace on your show?" He's like, "Nah, I'm not. She's mean." So, you going to stifle her voice, Ebro? You're choosing to enslave people's minds. You're choosing to not let the truth be free.
28:48>> I just love that and it's so funny now to see so many corporations and people that I've worked with in politics try to take credit or in the sort of backhanded way, I created Candace Owens. I helped to create the monster. Like deranged former CEOs and people I worked with her so I have some inside uh scoop on who she is. No, no, none of you created me. None of you contributed to creating me. And actually, if there was one person who could say that, he would never utter that statement and that would be A. Like they're It's funny cuz I said that there there's no Candace without Charlie and in many ways there was no Charlie and
29:24Candace when uh the real storm happened and um we both were given this jet fuel in our careers, it was because of Yay.
29:35Anyway, um so I want to say about that, just to share what was on my heart, my mind, and uh we'll be right back after a break to talk about some pre-anniversary stuff that is coming out from Turning Point USA.
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32:58Okay, so for months now we have been asking Blake Naff what feels like a very simple question. Where did he go after he landed into Salt Lake City aboard Charlie's jets on September 10th?
33:11Because despite flying in with Charlie, we know that Blake got into the second rental, a Denali, with Danny Philip and perhaps some other people because Blake then arrived to the event from the back seat as if someone else had been sitting in the front seat. We know that neither Danny or Blake attend the restaurantology event that morning where Charlie gave an interview.
33:36And we know that Blake cannot account for where he was. He says he was keeping time or something of that nature. He didn't even remember who he was with. He had to be reminded that he was with Danny who was driving the vehicle.
33:48Uh which is strange because apparently he's been keeping account of my vacations. He he's really crashing out these these days. He tweeted this. He hasn't been doing a very good job of keeping track of them. But he did tweet this um over the last couple of days.
34:02Candace finds it implausible and ridiculous that Charlie would be excited about his largest campus tour ever because it was also his job. Somehow I am not surprised that Candace, seven vacations a year Owens, can't imagine someone liking work.
34:18Okay, so I understand that it could be hard for a 36-year-old incel who has no prospects, no family, no kids to imagine that someone might prioritize their family and their friends above podcasting, but just to set the record straight, if you are going to avail yourself of tracking my time spent traveling, please put your best foot forward, Blakey, and do it accurately.
34:42Thus far this year, we've taken a total of three vacations, our family holiday to Spain, our partial family trip to Russia because we didn't take the youngest because of the intensity of the flight, and my 7-year anniversary trip to Iceland fishing with my husband.
34:56And for clarity, if Charlie's death has taught me, and I hope everyone back at home anything, I probably didn't take enough time off, right? Charlie rarely took time off.
35:08We have obviously tracked all of his dates, all of his appearances. He was hardly home. He gave everything to build the very organization that now seeks to lie about who he was and actually seeks to make him appear as though he himself was a liar.
35:22They've not been honest or forthcoming about what he was up against in his final days, what his struggles were, who he was fighting.
35:28Uh and yeah, he he fed that monster.
35:33I'm not going to make the same mistake of thinking that bigger somehow means better. I think my team uh is trustworthy. That's why I like to keep my team small. I think that's the benefit of having a small team is that you have uh people that you know, and they're going to continue to get time off because they work hard when we're on air.
35:54I expect 100% from them when they are here, and then I expect them to enjoy their real lives outside of me. I don't do the Erica work, you're my family thing. I'm not their family. Um and they should go home to their families. Work hard and live a good life, especially after this year, right? This has been the most emotionally taxing year of my life. They have stood by me through that. Uh and so, Blake, you're just sort of off the mark uh with uh trying to tell people that somehow they should be wanting to dedicate their lives more in the way that Charlie did, and clearly, clearly, judging by your actions, the
36:28things that you have said, you were not worth that investment. Also, I have to draw you guys, your attention to this.
36:36This is wacky, okay? So, they're all sort of giving these interviews right now, coming up upon the 1-year anniversary, and Blake and Neff spoke to Deseret News, which is in Utah. It's like a local news in in New Utah.
36:49And here's what it says. It says, Neff read a I guess it's supposed to be like a profile piece.
36:54Neff from members sitting in the waiting room at the Orem, Utah hospital where Kirk was taken on September 10th, and talking about how podcaster Candace Owens would react to Charlie's death.
37:07He said Charlie was aware of Owens's theories about France's first lady being transgender, as well as what he described as weird stuff about Jewish cults, and that some of her views were part of the reason that TPUSA had become less involved with Owens around 2024.
37:23Now, they're quoting him.
37:25Someone said, "Candace is going to have an extreme reaction to this." And instantly I was like, "Yeah, yeah, she will."
37:36I'm sorry, what?
37:40I want to remind you guys, I don't know this creature. I've never met Blake Neff. I have He is never He He doesn't know Charlie the most. Of everyone in this story, he has spent the least amount of time with Charlie. He himself says that he didn't join Charlie's team until what was it, in mid-2023? So, we knew Charlie for a year and a half. I did I never came across him. He's out in Arizona, I'm in Tennessee.
38:01You're having a conversation about how Candace will react and conspiracy theories while you're sitting in the hospital and you just found out that Charlie's dead? Why are you not a conspiracy theorist in that moment?
38:12This is in the middle of the manhunt.
38:14Nobody knew anything.
38:16You guys are already having conversations about how other people are going to react rather than reacting yourselves and going who could have done this?
38:27Does that make sense to you? Is there something very wacky and bizarre about that conversation that he's now admitting to? He won't name the person which makes me think usually when he develops this amnesia it's usually about Danny Philip for some reason.
38:41Maybe it's about someone else. I don't know that for a fact obviously.
38:44But that's their conversation. Oh, Candace is going to have a reaction to Charlie being murdered.
38:53Candace is going to have a very strong reaction to Charlie being murdered.
38:58I'm sitting in the waiting room. That's the first thought. This girl that I don't know is going to have a strong reaction. Why are you not having a strong reaction?
39:05Why are you not in that moment going oh my gosh, who could have done this? Who were his enemies?
39:11Um, what did he say last night? Blake, why didn't you say, oh, well, Andrew says that Charlie was worried someone was going to kill him.
39:20Who could this have Who could have done this? Why are you guys not imagining the scenarios coming up with answers? Why does it feel like you already know it's not a conspiracy as Charlie's in the hospital. This is very odd. This is a very odd admission from Blake that they were worried about me.
39:37And there's a reason they're worried about me because they should have been worried about me.
39:43They knew that I would never bend the knee to this.
39:47I would never bend to the knee to a dumb story, the cookie cutter story that someone climbed on a rooftop who had never committed any even petty crimes in their life who took just one shot out of just pure confidence, not even a couple of shots to make sure they hit him, and then scaled a rooftop. So, maybe that's why they were concerned. It it it it's starting to feel like Blake for some reason had confidence and knew that I would not trust the science on Charlie's assassination. That's what I get from that admission.
40:26Candace is not going to just trust the narrative and the science. I really do wonder who he was speaking to.
40:32Blake always says too much cuz Blake wants to be a star despite the fact that he has no talent.
40:37And I find that admission to be strange.
40:40In other news, uh Erica, if you've not seen it, released an op-ed in the New York Times, uh a one-year look back on her grief, which we kind of never saw displayed publicly.
40:53To the contrary, we just saw an Erica who wanted to move on to be the CEO, but now she's writing an article about her grief. And I'm going to be honest with you, it's another terrible installment in the never-ending book of PR blunders.
41:04Let's start with the fact that she's even doing this in the New York Times.
41:08Like and it's behind a paywall. Okay.
41:11Uh she just continues to partner with a publication that her deceased husband hated. This was the first publication she partnered with. She opened their apartment to an in-person interview and sat down with them. What was it? 2 days after Charlie's assassination?
41:30Charlie never wrote an op-ed for the New York Times. His opinion of them is long documented all throughout his career. Um he perceived them as what they are, a fixture a fixture of the the deep state apparatus.
41:44He registered himself as opposed to their perspectives.
41:49Um and he would read the New York Times so that he knew what their perspectives were. Take a listen to one of many clips. Like I said, they're endless where that you could find Charlie Kirk speaking about how and why he consumed the New York Times and how he consumed the New York Times.
42:03Take a listen.
42:05>> So, there is a new story out of the New York Times, and I'm not really sure what to make of this. It's possible the New York Times is actually telling the truth.
42:13I have the New York Times right here. I read it so you don't have to. Every morning I'm reading the New York Times.
42:18The paper of record.
42:21I always uh I always get a kick out of it. The New York Times.
42:26All the news that's fit to print. That's right there on the New York Times.
42:31I get some really nasty emails. Charlie, why do you read the New York Times? Cuz I I want to know what the intelligentsia is saying. It's also the the I think it has the most circulation of any newspaper in the country.
42:40Actually, Wall Street Journal might have more, but anyway.
42:43You should know what the other side is saying.
42:46>> Always same perspective that he held somehow immediately that was something she reversed course on and felt comfortable having them in her home.
42:52Okay, fine. So, right off the bat we're just going why is this in the New York Times? Why is it behind a paywall? And why can't you just do anything that feels normal? And as Charlie was, I guess, you've been honest, it's just Turning Point 2.0. It has nothing to do with Turning Point 1.0. It's a totally different organization. It's unattainable. You work with the Department of War. You work with the deep state apparatus. You are their emotional asset. We get it. It just feels like you're laying it on thick and like maybe you could have just published a Substack here.
43:18That if I'm running your PR agency, do a Substack about how you feel. Don't put it behind a paywall.
43:23What you've learned about grief, okay?
43:25Then you get into the article and you're like a couple of lines down and she's once again mentioning the Vance family.
43:31This has felt like one long promotional event for the Vance family. It's like the deepest thing that she can only reach so deep as what Usha Vance said to her on the plane. Right? And she remarks and It's September 11th, 2025, the day after my husband Charlie Kirk was shot and killed. The past 24 hours feel like a fever dream as I land in Phoenix from Utah and return home. I get out of the car and my kids run into my arms. They have no idea where I was or what I was doing. They care only that I'm home. As I walk to the front door, there There tightening in my chest I don't recognize. Is this what grief feels
44:07like? I sit on the couch where Charlie sat two nights ago watching the Cubs with our kids. I feel a wave building inside of me and I know it's about to crash.
44:17"I don't know how I'm going to do this."
44:18I told second lady Usha Vance earlier that day and she held my hand and she said, "You know when you're on an airplane with your kids and you're going to land in 15 minutes but the kids are going crazy, screaming, throwing things and then the plane lands and the kids relax and everything is fine again?
44:32That's how it will be. Just get through the next 15 minutes.
44:38They're not just seared into your heart.
44:39They're seared into the first speech that you gave. They're seared into the conference call that you said at Turning Point USA. We just keep hearing this over and over again.
44:48And we're at the one-year anniversary and I'm thinking when I opened this like surely they hired someone like who could put something that's a tearjerker together. Like we're going to read this and we're going to see a side of Eric that we haven't seen and not something that constantly feels like an advertisement for someone else and feels political and controlled. You're not getting that from this article. It's everything you've already heard. In fact, I think that if you had challenged Chat GPT to write something more emotional, Chat GPT GPT could have risen to the moment.
45:18Without question.
45:19Without question. It would say this is stuff you've already said. You could have back forth conversation with Claude. This stuff you've already said.
45:24I would probably try to reach a little deeper.
45:27Um they have seen this surface level of you. We we know you love Vance. You you opened AmFest and said we got to get Vance elected. He's defending we get that. Can we maybe something Charlie said to you that stuck with you? Maybe something else you learned beyond that first day from the second lady aboard another private plane talking about previous private planes that you were on because they always traveled private. We Charlie was traveling private to all of his events, right? We know this.
45:56So she's like the last 15 minutes like it's supposed to be relatable when you're flying private.
46:01You're on Air Force Two. This is like the not the most relatable thing that you could share.
46:06And then she goes on and she it's just it's just a regurgitation of everything she's already said. She wants you to know she's not angry at God. Yes, we got all of this from the Jesse Waters interview.
46:16She writes, "Grief is strange.
46:18Time continues even when every part of you wants it to pause or better yet rewind. But the people we love who have passed on would not want us to spend the rest of our lives trying to rewind.
46:29At first, I needed to survive the next 15 minutes." Again, here we are. Thank you, Vance family.
46:35Over time I've realized that Charlie would want me to live them.
46:39Over time?
46:40You were living within 6 days laughing at emojis.
46:47You're laughing at emojis on a Zoom call. I thought you were in bed.
46:50That you like you couldn't sleep.
46:52That you couldn't eat. Potentially had to drug yourself to sleep. You were just giggling at emojis and then you told us that told Jesse Waters interview that you didn't even need a sleeping pill.
47:04You didn't even need to take melatonin.
47:06You just like fell asleep because you knew God had you. And she stresses that. Over time I've realized Charlie would want me to live.
47:13Occasionally, I'm asked whether I'm angry at God. I say no.
47:17My husband was one of one. I was blessed to be his wife and I understood his assignment here on Earth. Again, this is a regurgitation of the speech that she gave on stage. So, what's the purpose of this?
47:27What is the purpose of this other than to make money for the New York Times, which is a part of the deep state apparatus, factually speaking?
47:35Operation Mockingbird. The New York Times was involved in that. After they committed another a different state assassination. Assassination of JFK.
47:43So, here she is helping them get sign-ups.
47:47Running counter to how her husband felt about this publication.
47:51She closes this.
47:53I'm not kidding. This is the last These are the last three lines.
47:58I will tell you what a dear friend she's saying and to put this in context of if you are living through grief, I won't tell you what to feel or that tomorrow will be better than today. I will tell you what a dear friend told me.
48:10Just get through the next 15 minutes.
48:13Vance Vance's Vance.
48:16One day maybe when you least expect it, you'll start to see those 15 minutes hold more than just grief. The grief is there always, but so is the beautiful gift of life. And like I said, you can read this article in its entirety. I was expecting that they would have hired someone who I don't know, like Nicholas Sparks.
48:34Like Nicholas Sparks is available, right? I haven't even know if he's written a recent book.
48:38Notebook was beautiful.
48:39They could have They've got a lot of money. I don't know why the Department of War isn't using Nicholas Sparks to write this.
48:44And then we would go, "Oh, okay, like maybe she was just being weird and roboty." And like this is You learn nothing about Charlie in this.
48:52It It feels just very fake. Like I said, very surface.
48:58There's never any substance to anything and they had an opportunity to do that.
49:02Uh even after we have to get through the fact that it's the New York Times and it's behind a paywall. And they missed it. So, this was another missed opportunity from Turning Point USA. Um but we'll see what We're looking forward to whatever it is they're going to put together for Friday um uh at UVU Thursday, pardon me, at UVU.
49:23I I guess that I don't know who's been listed as speaking at that event. I think Glenn Beck.
49:28Is Erica speaking there? I don't know.
49:30We will continue to follow. We'll be right back after a break.
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52:40All right. So, tomorrow we will return uh to dropping some figurative bombs on the narrative that we have been told um from the Fed sloppers, so to speak. Top comments are from last episode. We did this, obviously. Thank thanks to text messages being released, we were able to reveal that for whatever reason, Charlie was sending messages that they're going to kill him when he was on this Zoom call with Israel with Israeli officials, as Frank Turak termed them. That came from Frank Turak. There were two Israeli officials. We know like like from Israel, then we know that Rabbi Wolicki was on FaceTime call.
53:21Uh sorry, I'm saying FaceTime. I meant Zoom call because he was in Arizona at the time. Uh we've got Josh Hammer, and we're supposed to believe this massive call, which came on the heels to just 2 hours after Charlie said he was abandoning the pro-Israel cause. And no, he was not kidding. It was not tongue in cheek because I spoke to his wife about it. And she never said that he was kidding or that it was tongue in cheek.
53:42She admitted that that happened. She was getting her nails done uh when this was going on. That story is now changing. We know it wasn't tongue-in-cheek because Andrew Cooper gave that conversation to Tulsi Gabbard's office. So, he clearly knew and thought that there was something that should be explored about the nature of that conversation.
53:59Otherwise, you wouldn't give it to Tulsi Gabbard's office. If everybody's joking, you had a friendly conversation thereafter, that was not the case. Turning Point continues to speak, and we continue to timeline. Anyway, top comments from last episode regarding that from the audacity, they wrote, "The only reason you don't tell your spouse that you're afraid of something like being murdered is because you don't trust them." And yes, it's relevant that Erica, when she gave interviews thereafter, uh said that Charlie was just excited the night before. Weird for him to be fearful that he was going to die, but so excited that
54:30he couldn't sleep. I feel like maybe there was something else going on there.
54:36No, I do not believe that Charlie was excited about doing a UVU event. I'm sorry, I've done too many course options. I've traveled with him too much to believe that he was that excited about something that he's always done, and that it would cause him not to be able to sleep. That's That's a high level of excitement uh for an adult to experience for something that he's always done at a place that he already did it at. He already had done a UVU stop uh [snorts] multiple times throughout his career. This was nothing new.
55:01Anyway, we are to believe that Erica had no idea that he had any fears the night before.
55:06I find that very hard to believe, and I know that you guys do, too. Noah writes, "The fact that Charlie sent those messages while on Zoom with Israel is absolutely bone-chilling. It sent a shiver down my spine." It should. It does to me as well. It is another piece, of course, in this puzzle, and it certainly does not register as true to me that Charlie had to speak to Israeli officials at 4:00 a.m. in the morning their time to help him with debate.
55:33Charlie was pretty good at debating.
55:35I don't think he needed this much help from so many people. It just doesn't make any Frank Turek's on the call. Like what is he is he some grand debater? Is he known to be a phenomenal debater?
55:45It's just all such a nonsense. That many people giving tips on debate and also, you know, he like Josh Hammer said, he just was really interested in Josh Hammer's book. He just he wanted to know more about that.
55:58Comments on today's episode. This user writes, "Keep going. You've got this.
56:01Love from Stamford, Connecticut, my hometown. Thank you. Love to see you guys here."
56:06Ali writes, "Andrew Judas Kolb that tried to make an excuse for the fireworks at the memorial and said, 'The team set that up and Erica didn't know.'" Well, did they also force her to wear a sparkling pantsuit? Yeah, I think she got the message and the theme and she chose her attire accordingly. M. Sanders writes, "Please consider pre-recording shows to get us through your maternity leave. The withdrawals are going to be a whole vibe. Christ is king." I will be announcing soon who is going to take over my show three days a week while I am on maternity leave. I will make my announcement next week.
56:42I think you guys will be happy with my decision.
56:45M. Sanders, oh, I just read that. This user writes, "Salem Media Waterstone is releasing a Charlie Kirk documentary with an alleged unreleased interview filmed shortly before September 10th called Can You Hear Me Now?"
56:58On September 10th of this year. Yes, Salem Media and Waterstone, they are acquiring Salem Media.
57:06That's interesting because we know that Salem Media is behind or the the paradox, the filings immediately after Charlie died. We went over that in an earlier episode.
57:16The Israeli foreign minister getting involved in spending money in America to give us the October 7th experience to tether Christians further. Their apparatus has been Salem Media and they gave that money because they wanted to see results. Brad Parscale, I believe, was on the of Salem Media, or he was at least um an executive at Salem Media, who brought this forward. So, I will assume that that is going to be Israeli propaganda, just judging by the far docs, Faith by Works LLC and the like.
57:49Lynn Marie writes, "Though we mourn and grieve, Charlie Kirk is finally free." I love that. That is beautiful and well said, and like I said, he died with his soul intact, cuz I know whatever he was offered, he said no to.
58:00I Don't Give a Dom writes, "Blake Neff would call a hot dog a sandwich and then wonder why nobody invites him to the deli."
58:08>> [laughter] >> Just love that.
58:11Jessica Coach writes, "I basically checked myself out of the hospital to make sure that I did not miss your show.
58:15I just walked in the door, battle bun ready." I see, keep going, Max, Candace.
58:20We No, no, well, we will definitely be able to pull out some threads this week, as we should, leading up um to the 1-year anniversary of Charlie's passing, and we're going to be hit with just I can't even imagine how much money they are going to be spending on attacking me, as they always do, when they should be focused on just getting to the truth. Um they are now working with It just seems like now they're working with like drug addicts.
58:47Like I don't know, their new pocket of influencers just seems remarkably trailer trash, in my view. Um like I said, you sense their desperation. They know nobody believes them. Nobody certainly believes that they're carrying on Charlie's legacy in any fashion, um in any manner or fashion, because they just seem to do everything that runs counter to what Charlie expressed his desires were publicly.
59:09And um yeah, so it's going to be a week.
59:12Buckle in.
59:14>> [snorts] >> We have a lot of stuff to share, and uh I look forward I look forward to it, and I certainly will be getting into the Charlie and Candace archives, which has been a very emotional journey. I will leave it at that. And we will see you guys tomorrow.
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