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8:25Hello, Garland Nixon here and I am standing in for Jimmy Door. Jimmy is on vacation hopefully having a good time.
8:32I'm sure he is enjoying himself and we are here too. As you noticed, there's some great guests, you know, Misty Winston and Russell Dobular and it's really been a good time. We we love Jimmy. We miss his tremendous talent and humor. But, you know, while he's gone, we're going to we're the show's going to push on. We're going to have a good time and we got a lot a lot of good stuff uh coming for you. We have some um really really interesting segments today and and I'm sure you'll enjoy it. So, we're going to fire off with our first guest.
9:00His name's Caleb Moffin. I'm sure you've heard of Caleb Moffin unless you've been living under a rock. Caleb is a journalist. He's a political analyst who has reported extensively from the Middle East and Latin America. He's made frequent media appearances on RT and Press TV and lots of other places. He's also the founder and director of the Center for Political Innovation as well as the author of a number of books including his latest Imperialism and Anti-Imperialism key writings and lectures from Caleb Moffin. So, we're going to have Caleb on and uh certainly welcome you. Caleb, welcome to the Jimmy
9:37Door Show. Great to have you back again.
9:39>> Sure. Glad to be here.
9:41>> Well, I see you're a busy man. I know you have been um covering the Maduro trial. So, we're going to start off.
9:47We're going to be talking about the Nicholas Maduro, you know, Kafka-esque show trial going on here in um in uh New York. And it certainly appears that uh in that southern district where it seems to me Caleb every major trial in history is in the New York Southern District.
10:06One could be very very suspicious about that. But at any rate, let's get let's get started. [clears throat] New York Times, the Maduro case may be about to take a hairpin turn.
10:19A hairpin turn. That's the worst kind.
10:21[snorts] When Mr. Maduro Me things a bit bigger so I can see him. When Mr. Maduro's case next week makes his way to court on July 22nd which was a few days ago and that's why we have uh Caleb Caleb the journalist and he has in fact been covering that case. He was at the courthouse. He was covering um outside uh the um uh protest. Federal prosecutors could encounter one rather significant obstacle. Our courts don't have the authority to handle his case and the law that says so was signed by the United States of America.
10:55The reason dates back to the first decades of the 20th century when a topic that seemed dry and legalistic today.
11:03International arbitration was an exciting and idealistic cause championed as a modern rational tool of justice with the power to change the world.
11:13Years later, the United States began including arbitration clauses in many treaties. One of those was a 1922 extradition treaty between the United States and Venezuela. It states in part that all differences between the contracting parties relating to the interpretation or exec execution of this treaty shall be decided by arbitration.
11:43This was approved by the Senate, ratified by the president. that document has the force of law.
11:52When Mr. Maduro's case uh next makes its way to court, federal prosecutors could encounter one rather significant obstacle. Our courts don't have the authority to handle this case. And the law that says so was signed by the United States of America. If the United States honors its agreement, will Caleb, I think we're going to talk about that part. it could well be forced to release its prized captive. It's hard to imagine, according to New York Times, that any arbitrator acting in that spirit would declare a dead of nightight kidnapping lawful under the treaty, especially since the target was a head
12:33of state. The operation is already in violation of international law. Any attempt by the United States to sidestep arbitration would make it blatantly illegitimate by the United States own laws, too. Caleb Moffettin, uh, well, we also have actually, let's do this. We also have a video here, so we're going to remove that. And Caleb, you were there. You saw uh people out on the street.
13:07You could call it injustice, outrageous injustice, but it's a form of US intervention called imperialism. What we're seeing with the Trump administration is it's a stickup. He's got a gun to the head of the government in Venezuela and is demanding for free their oil, their minerals, and the labor of the people.
13:31>> That's right.
13:32>> That's right.
13:33>> That's right.
13:34>> So why is that? It's because Trump is mira.
13:44>> And out here today, we we have a couple of losers over here.
13:58a criminal. You are the criminal guy.
14:04>> All right, Caleb. So, you um have been following this case all along. And in fact, I thought you were a great guest because just as I have, you've been to Venezuela. You've been there as an election observer and you've been on more than one occasions and you're very familiar with the B Bolivarian revolution and their history and in fact with Maduro. So, let's get started.
14:24You're covering the case. What are your thoughts on the New York Times story and the discussion about uh the arbitration clause?
14:32>> Right. So, if the USA follows its own laws, there was a law passed by the US Senate signed into law as an international treaty by the president of the United States back in 1922 that says they can't do this. They have to internationally arbitrate uh Nicholas Maduro uh and his extradition. Now, uh I don't think that'll happen. I think they'll find some loophole and some exception. Uh, you know, Alvin Helerstein, who is the judge covering the case, a Clinton appointee, is notoriously pro-establishment. The only reason I think that this possibly could happen would be as a dig at Donald Trump, right? If the Democrats really
15:10wanted to humiliate and embarrass Donald Trump, uh there's a chance that they might say, you know, Trump kidnapped Maduro and we're going to we're going to embarrass Donald Trump and force them to give up Maduro because I believe if it goes to international arbitration, I think Maduro will be freed. Uh no question about it. Because what they did is such a violation of international norms. It's a threat on every head of state in the world. there's generally a kind of a gentleman's agreement between heads of state that we don't kidnap each other, we don't arrest each other, that kind of thing. Uh so if this goes to
15:42international arbitration, I think I think he'll be released, but I I don't see that happening, but there's a chance. You never know. Again, the the stakes are getting higher. We're heading towards the midterms. Uh the midterms are going to be uh very heated. The economy is certainly screaming as a result of Trump's war, etc. So, who knows? What do you um you you also uh covered the um uh the protests outside.
16:06I saw people out there and they were you know they were organized. They had speakers. It it doesn't appear that it was you know just kind of a people wandering up on the street wandering there on the street. It seems that there was an organ some level of organization to that that they had you know an agenda and speakers. What what did you make of um the protest as far as you [clears throat] and did you talk to people there etc.? Well, I have been covering every one of Maduro's court hearings. I've been out in front of the the courthouse there on Baxter Street uh right near the federal plaza in Manhattan. Uh and uh there have been
16:40protesters at every single one. Uh and I what I I found interesting uh is you know usually generally when you have protests like this where you know there's obviously some people who really really like Maduro and you know the leftists and there's some people who really really hate Maduro. Generally what the police do is they divide it.
16:57You have the anti- Maduro cage and the pro Maduro cage. This is New York City where they've got those, you know, those metal things they put up in the street and all of that. What they've been doing outside the courthouse is they have one designated protest area. And the anti-maduro people and the promuro people, as you saw in the video, they are in the same area. That's a recipe for disaster. That's not responsible.
17:17They should there's two sides of the street there. One side should be the anti-Maduro side. The other side should be the pro Maduro side. Now, uh this latest court hearing, there weren't as many people there. I guess it's the summer heat and you know it's you know but but the first hearing that I went to there was a large crowd of pro Maduro and a large crowd of anti-Maduro people in the same area trying to cover up each other's signs pushing and shoving and I mean I'm I I I'm don't think there were any arrests but I mean it was quite a dangerous situation. Um and it has been kind of a strange atmosphere out in
17:47front of those proceedings. You have some of the leftist groups that support Maduro there. You have a lot of anti-maduro Venezuelans that are, you know, wealthy folks that fled to uh New York City to, you know, live the good life and demonize their home country and call for more sanctions on their home country. And uh they were in each other's faces and all of that. That's not a good situation. And I don't I don't understand why they're not doing what they normally do when you have very heated uh rallies opposing each other.
18:12Why is there not two separate cages?
18:13What's going on there? That's very very strange to me.
18:16>> And I tell you what's even stranger about it. As you know, of my background as a law enforcement official, I was many times in charge of these kinds. I would set these kinds of events up where we would have I mean, when I did, we had a a KKK rally. You know, they had a permit to march. It was legal. It was constitutional. And there was an anti-KK rally. I've done one where they were hunters. You know, they were one they wanted to have they were going to have a bear hunt in western Maryland. And they were the people that opposed it. you know the antih00 which everybody's has a the speech is constitutionally protected
18:49we have to make sure that everybody's safety every one of those meetings we had the discussion that you're talking about and you know how I know it because I was in charge of the meetings and I ran the meetings and I wrote the agenda for the meetings and the principle concern at this is exactly what you said ensuring that we reduce conflict we reduce the potential for conflict between disagreeable or adversarial parties. That's a that's it. It it I put I'll go so far as to say that is a routine discussion for law enforcement when you're planning security for any type of event like that. So, it's not
19:28possible [laughter] that they didn't discuss the potential for these two groups to clash and their responsibility to ensure that that doesn't happen.
19:39That's the public safety. What good is it to have cops or anybody if they just stand back and say, "Okay, guys, start swinging." My point being that, in my professional opinion, points to the possibility of a motive that they wanted the people that they wanted some kind of clash.
20:00Well, and that's not good, is it? I mean, and you know, uh, Charlottesville immediately comes to mind, right? Where, you know, I mean, many people said they've been protesting the clan for years. You know, generally there's a huge army of police surrounding the clan and they do their thing. But in Charlottesville, the Antifa and the left and the white nationalists were right next to each other and look what happened right in Charlottesville. And that uh it almost seemed a little bit uh too good to be true for the Democrats.
20:25They were trying to make a narrative that Trump was an extremist and was promoting white supremacism and then uh in this little town you have a rally where the two sides suddenly are not separated and people got hurt. Uh, and you have to wonder like what's what's going on. And you know, I've written a lot about the years of lead in Italy.
20:42Uh, in the 1970s, it looked like Italy was going to leave NATO. And the USA uh through Operation Gladadio fermented all kinds of political violence and confusion. And even though the majority of Italians wanted to leave NATO, Italy is still a member of NATO today. And that there was a huge amount of political violence. They call it the years of lead because there were so many shootings and so many bombings, etc. And we now know that that was that was not an accident. That was being fermented.
21:07The red brigades, the kind of extremist communist groups that were targeting the communist party and targeting the right-wing, the Italian social movement, which was kind of like a Mussolini extremist group. Uh the political violence in Italy in the 70s uh was fermented by NATO to prevent the Italian public from getting their way. And I I look at things like the killing of Charlie Kirk, for example, and the way mainstream media and social media reacted to that. And I look at the way Luigi Manion is being portrayed as as kind of a romantic hero and and such.
21:36And I argue I feel like there are elements within our deep state that are trying to ferment a years of lead in America because the majority of the American people are angry right now. And everywhere you go in this country, red state, blue state, South, Midwest, wherever you go, people in America know the economy is getting worse and their living standard is going down. Our life expectancy is going down. People know our freedoms are being taken away. our our freedom of speech and freedom of assembly and the government is coming for us and people know that these wars that are being waged around the world
22:04are not being waged for our benefit.
22:06They're being waged for the benefit of somebody else. Some very rich people that are are getting rich as our country is falling apart. That's the majority sentiment and Ro Kahana has called for a populist movement of the left and the right to oppose these wars etc. And that's what's waiting to happen. It's only a matter of time before that majority sentiment, people with different ideologies, different worldviews are going to come together and demand we stop these wars, demand the economy get better, and demand that our freedoms be protected. And that's what I feel like what you might call the deep state is very afraid of. And so
22:34fermenting all kinds of crazy political violence and uh the the response to events that we're seeing, I feel like is is an effort to prevent that. And I look at the years of lead in Italy as kind of an example of what's being done to America right now. you know, you have a, as I said, one, one of the reasons that uh I definitely wanted you to come on as a guest is because your background in Venezuela. Um what we are told by the government is that um uh the Venezuelans mismanaged their finances and mismanaged their uh their economy and that's why they have such economic trouble and that uh Nicholas Maduro violated uh you know uh
23:18election laws and you know election norms and stole the election. Your thoughts on those two particular issues?
23:24Well, um, when it comes to the election thing, we'll just start with that. You know, Jimmy Carter, uh, when he was running the Carter Center, he went to Venezuela and observed their elections.
23:32He said they had one of the most transparent elections in history. Uh, I mean, they have one of the most clean election systems ever. And when I was there in 2015, I saw with my own eyes how Venezuela, they have electronic voting machines, but they also have paper ballots, and they count them to make sure that the paper ballots match the electronic records. And if they don't if they don't match exactly, they have to restart the count. And so when Trump said that Maduro had stolen his election with electronic voting machines, I'm like, wait, how is that possible? Because I've been to Venezuela. I've been to the Center for
24:01National Elections. I know what their procedures are and there's a paper ballot that goes with the electronic voting. And if they don't match, they can't ratify results until there's a match. So So I I How did he do that?
24:13That doesn't make any sense. I heard Trump saying that and I'm just like, I don't I don't understand this. And uh generally the opposition in Venezuela doesn't participate in the elections.
24:22Well, I mean then they're mad they lost.
24:24Well, they didn't participate. I mean, you don't participate. Uh you know, uh they boycott the elections on the grounds that oh, we don't think it's fair. Uh and then they don't participate and then they don't consider it a legitimate election. Um and that that tends to be the way that they operate.
24:37Um, the other thing that I noticed when I was in Venezuela in 2015 for their election is that I noticed that the leader of the opposition back then, Henrique Capri, also called himself a socialist. He wasn't saying, "Oh, capitalism's great and Maduro." And he wasn't saying all that stuff. He was saying, "Look, I'm a socialist, too. I just think Maduro has made America too angry. He's alienated America, and I'll I'll I'll get things better with the US." Nobody, when I was in Venezuela in 2015, was saying, "We want capitalism back." Uh, no one was saying we want to go back to the way things were in the
25:071990s. Um, uh, Venezuela, their their problem when you get to the mismanagement of the economy and such, that the problem that Venezuela's had for centuries really is that that they're an oil-based economy. They need more of an economy than just oil, right?
25:21And that in the reason that they were able to have, you know, the Bolivarian socialist revolution was that when Hugo Chavez was elected, uh, shortly after that, you had 9/11, you had the USA invading Iraq, and that shot the oil prices through the roof. There were huge oil prices, the highest oil prices that had ever been in history, $120 a barrel.
25:39And so Hugo Chavez kind of changed the way the state-run oil company was run.
25:43It was technically staterun, but it was just kind of used by American oil companies. Well, he actually made it a real state-run oil company, so the revenue went into the government. And he used that money to wipe out illiteracy in the country, right? And and bring in Cuban volunteers to teach literacy, to build health care clinics for the population. Thousands of people got their eyesight restored. people who who basic eye surgery would have would have prevented their blindness, got you know their eyesight restored by Cuban doctors who came in and they did a lot to raise the living standard and uh until 2014 uh
26:15you know the Wall Street Journal even admits they said the party was still on.
26:18Venezuela's economy was doing very very well because those high oil prices brought in the revenue. Now uh after 2014 there was the dramatic oil price drop and then at the same time the USA escalated the sanctions uh and Hugo Chavez died and there was division within the the ruling party and the USA just kind of you know put the screws on and tried to destroy Venezuela's economy and part of that you said mismanaging funds you know that's what they tell us but the reality is the USA has stolen billions of dollars of Venezuelan money that are in banks around the world and in Britain and and and in in American
26:53banks and other places and they just go to the bank accounts of Venezuela and freeze them and take their money. And uh so they say he's mismanaged the money.
27:00Well, you've stolen billions of dollars.
27:02And even in the context of this earthquake that just happened in Venezuela, they haven't given it back.
27:07Uh and there's billions and billions of dollars of government money that is the property of the state of Venezuela, it's been frozen. So, uh they look at that and you look at the sanctions, right, that made it very very difficult for Venezuela to import basic products. Um they have have really suffered. But if you go to Venezuela, and I know you saw this, I saw this. They blame the United States for it. They say this is this is the United States and there's a layer of people in Venezuela that are very very loyal to the revolution. Right now, that's a very confusing time, right?
27:35People look at Dulce Rodriguez and people are asking questions, but it's not about Dulce Rodriguez. It's about the base, the collectivos they call them. You know, you go to central Caracus, you go to various places, there's a layer of thousands of people who have guns, who have Bolivarian militias, who live in kind of cooperative communities that have been set up by the Venezuelan government, and those people will go down fighting. Uh I met with uh the woman who was the head of security. She was like in her early 20s and she said, "I I am a Christian. I believe God brought me to earth to to die for the revolution, to die for
28:07Chavez. Those people are ready to ready to fight." So you look at Venezuela, it's a very strange situation with their leader having been kidnapped with their the the you know with Dulce Rodriguez as the acting president making some very strange moves, but it's it ain't over till it's over, right? You can't just declare, you know, that this is about property, right? And that there's a huge apparatus of collectivos and cooperative industries and there's Bolivarian militias and all that is still intact.
28:31The earthquake was certainly devastating and the way the earthquake uh we was kind of used by forces that want to hurt it hurt the country and the way in the aftermath of the earthquake we saw the USA kind of hoping to use that as a moment to to weaken Venezuela was particularly horrendous but I don't it ain't over till it's over as they say and we'll see I don't think they've had a a full counterrevolution at this point I think there's confusion in the country and a lot of it depends on what happens right uh in the coming months and that uh you know that you know the United States and you know the Trump
29:00administration You got Marco Rubio. He's a Miami Cuban and he has a particular agenda here related to South and Central America.
29:07And that is a point that I really I wish people could understand. Trump says America first. America first. Do you think the Miami Cubans care about America? No. They have a vendetta against Fidel Castro. They have a vendetta against the Communist Party.
29:18And you can say the same for the, you know, the people walking around with the Persian flags, the monarchist flags. You think they care about America? No. They just want to overthrow the Islamic Republic. And you think the Fallen Gong, the Epic Times, you think they care about America? No. they just want revenge on the communist party in China and that we have brought in these kind of anti-communist or you know pro-imperialist fanatics from all over the world that have their own agenda and that agenda doesn't line up with what's good for America and that you know that Trump has very much pandered to these
29:46kind of very extreme exile communities who fled to the United States and want to overthrow their home country uh and uh those folks what they want uh doesn't really line up with what's really in America's interest. He says America first. Why is he giving priority to all these foreign constituencies? I mean, one of them is obviously the Lakudnik and the the supporters of Netanyahu in Israel. I mean, they have they have a huge amount of power and they seem to not really care about America's interest. I'm I'm seeing the images of of you know, the young woman from Queens, uh, you know, who lost her life
30:15along with a number of other Americans who died. What did they die for? Did they die to make America safer, to make to protect us from terrorism? No, they died to protect Israel's ability to commit its crimes. And so, you know, you can look at this from maybe a conservative or nationalist perspective.
30:29You can look at this from a leftist or an anti-imperialist perspective.
30:32Americans are getting tired of it.
30:34>> Yeah, I I certainly agree, Caleb Moffin.
30:36So, we're we've got another um segment that we want to discuss. And once again, we're talking with Caleb Moffin, um who is a journalist and an author amongst other things. And uh in this segment, uh we're going to discuss a very interesting statement that was made by Sergey Lavough. And it's pretty clear.
30:55It's something that many of us had discussed in the in the in the alternative media particular sphere and he's uh basically you know kind of stating the obvious but it's great to see a very powerful um uh message from someone who is a you know an international diplomat. Sergey Lavrov says foreign minister for Russia many countries will look at Iran and think nuclear weapons may be the only guarantee of freedom and independence.
31:23there will be more and more such sentiments. That's one of the consequences of the aggression the United States and a number of their allies are trying to pursue. And the point that he makes is pretty clear.
31:35That is, you know, for the discussion that we have that we're here to stop um uh nuclear proliferation, our actions will actually cause it to spread. Let's look at this video. I believe [snorts] many countries will look at Iran and at the previous examples that I have just cited and they will be thinking that probably only the nuclear weapon to a certain extent can guarantee freedom and independence of a state. So there will be more and more such sentiments. To my deepest regret, I'm saying this because that's one of the consequences of the aggression that the United States and uh number of their allies are trying to pursue this
32:24aggressive policy that they are trying to pursue to preserve their dominering position.
32:31>> You know, uh Caleb, I've heard I saw a couple of things online where there were people trying to imply, oh, he's saying that Iran should have a nuclear weapon.
32:40I see it as just the opposite. I see that he's he's, you know, stating the obvious. We've heard often times in the context of the uh Iran struggle against US imperialism, the uh um mention of North Korea. What do people say? Well, look at North Korea. The United States won't touch them, won't attack them.
33:02Why? Because they have the nuclear deterrent capabilities to ensure that that doesn't happen. And so he makes an obvious point and I think it's a [snorts] uh I would say an error but I think it's intentional but I'll put it like this. I think it's an error for people who don't understand to think that this is an implication that Iran should have a nuclear weapon. I don't think he's talking to Iran. He's talking to the United States and he's talking to the West about the consequences of aggression.
33:30>> Yeah. You know, I want to start out by saying, you know, I've had the honor of going to press conferences and asking the Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov questions and all of that. And I I just wish people could understand that that when you listen to Sergey Lavrov, when you listen to Russian President Putin, when you listen to Maria Zakarava from the Russian Foreign Ministry, you're dealing with a different caliber of of leadership. Right? When I I've been reporting at the UN and other places, whenever there's an American official who comes in or a British official, I can raise my hand all day.
33:59They're never going to call on me. And all the questions are completely planned. This mainstream media outlet is going to get a question. This mainstream media outlet's going to get a question.
34:07They have a planned response. It's all completely staged. When Sergey Lavrov comes in, uh, he takes questions from everybody. Uh, and they ask difficult questions and he hammers out responses that come from decades of experience with running a country, with studying international relations, knowing the history of the world and the regions.
34:26Uh, that that I mean, like the back of his hand. I mean, you're dealing with somebody who who really takes the job very very seriously. And when you deal with American politicians, you're dealing with actors. Uh, you know, I mean, uh, it's a very very different kind of thing. This word state craft is the word uh that I I I think people should come to understand that you know, running a country and leading a government is like an art. And you know, when you look at at Russian officials and the same for officials from different parts of the world, they take their job very very seriously. they have
34:52studied for years and they know what they're doing and they defend their decisions uh very very well. It's a very different kind of thing. And what he's saying there, I mean it's kind of obvious, right? Is America says, "Oh, we don't want countries around the world to have nuclear weapons." But the actions of the United States have basically said to the world, you better get a nuclear weapon because Saddam Hussein, we lied and said he was getting weapons of mass destruction when he wasn't and his country got invaded and destroyed. and Gaddafi, you know, he got rid of his weapons of mass destruction and his his
35:23nuclear program. And uh look at Gaddafi, look at Libya, we invaded and destroyed it. Syria, right? They joined the organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons. They gave up any chemical weapons they had. Uh look at Syria. Um whereas North Korea, they were members of the non-prololiferation treaty. They had signed it. And when it was clear that the United States was targeting them, uh they said, "All right, we're leaving the non-prololiferation treaty. were getting nuclear weapons and they're safe and pretty and their economy is doing pretty well according to the Wall Street Journal and other sources. They've had
35:52quite an economic expansion in recent years because of their close partnership with Russia. Uh so, you know, you can say the USA can say we don't want countries around the world to have nuclear weapons, but they're basically sending a message that if you're at odds with the United States, you better get actual nuclear weapons and fast or else you're going to be targeted. Um, meanwhile, Israel, which is an ally of the United States, has huge, huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons, hundreds of nuclear weapons, and that's illegal under the nuclear non-prololiferation treaty. Israel's never signed the
36:21nuclear non-prololiferation treaty. They have nuclear weapons. US law says any nuclear armed country that hasn't signed the nuclear non-prololiferation treaty, you can't support them under the nuclear, you can't give them any support. US support to Israel is completely illegal because of their nuclear program. Uh but yet um you know aid to Israel continues. Israel hasn't signed the treaty and and that's the situation we're in. Uh you when you talk about you know lately uh and many people are reacting to the the deal with Saudi Arabia that just went down. the Department of Energy uh has just made an
36:51agreement with Saudi Arabia and you know there's a lot of outcry uh even from like former Israeli prime ministers and others saying that this US Department of Energy is not following its standard non-prololiferation procedures that they're going to start enabling Saudi Arabia to build up their peaceful nuclear energy program at the same time that we're bombing Iran over their peaceful nuclear energy program and that they've bent the rules there's loopholes being implemented it's almost like the USA is talking about giving nuclear weapons to Saudi Arabia. I mean, and that's the country the 911 hijackers
37:22were from. That's an autocratic country that has beheadings and and all kinds of things. And the USA is going to help them set up uh you know, nuclear enrichment and all kinds of things. Uh meanwhile, we're bombing Iran because allegedly their peaceful nuclear energy program might lead to nuclear weapons. I mean, the hypocrisy is very, very, very extreme. Iran, let's remember, gave up almost all of their peaceful nuclear energy program in 2015. almost all of it. In exchange for the USA admitting in writing they had the right to nuclear power. Uh and and in response to that their their national hero Kasim
37:56Solommani was killed and more sanctions came down and now the USA has murdered their supreme leader and is bombing them. Uh giving up uh their nuclear energy program uh clearly didn't play out in Iran's favor. And I mean a message is being sent to the world. I think really what it gets down to is that the interests of Netanyahu and Israel that needs to maintain an Iranian threat that doesn't want Iran to support resistance forces throughout the region uh and the desire to sell weapons throughout the region based on the notion of an Iranian threat has overruled uh you know kind of long-term geostrategic planning right and the
38:30Democrats were thinking long term how they can dominate things and like we'll get closer to Iran we'll get Iran to give up their nuclear energy program etc and Netanyahu is thinking I need to keep getting reelected and I to I need to fight Iran and uh and the weapons manufacturers Loheed Martin and all them are saying we need to sell lots of weapons throughout the Middle East and it looks like uh kind of a long-term strategy from the Obama administration was overruled by people who who need short-term gain uh from war and conflict.
38:58>> Well, you know, I think that you can look at the Second Amendment argument that a lot of, you know, proun people, and I'm not an anti-gun person, the former law enforcement, you know, I'm certainly not I'm not proun. I'm not anti-gun. Believe the Second Amendment is there and um that we should, you know, it's it is what it is. We should deal with it responsibly. But remember what they say. This is one of the tropes. The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. The implication being if someone has a superior weapon, you match the weapon and therefore either you will not
39:35have a conflict or if you have a conflict, you'll be capable of mitigating the threat, right? Well, doesn't it only stand to reason that that logic would apply to other people who are threatened with a gun or in this instance, a nuclear weapon? So if you're now a country and you see, wow, if you got a nuclear weapon, they won't attack you. If you don't have a nuclear weapon, they'll claim you're going to get one no matter how much evidence is shows to the alternative. And the alter there isn't the alternative. And then they'll attack you. And then you're going to apply that and say, you know what, the only thing
40:14that stops a bad country with a nuclear weapon is a good country with a nuclear weapon. And while I don't certainly want nuclear proliferation, but I think that's the point that Sergey Lavrov was making here.
40:28>> Yeah. Well, I mean, you have to look at the history. Who's the only country that's actually used nuclear weapons in a war? The United States, right? And not just, you know, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
40:39Then later in the Korean War, Douglas MacArthur threatened to drop five atomic bombs on China without the president's permission. without Harry Truman's permission, he threatened unilaterally just as the general, hey, I'm going to drop five atomic bombs on China. Uh, and he ended up getting fired because only the president has the authority to threaten a nuclear strike. And that uh that I mean nuclear weapons are a nightmare and they have the potential to end the human race. I mean, they're they're a very frightening thing. Uh, and yet, you know, the the notion seems to be that uh if a country is developing
41:13one, uh, they're developing it because they're psychopaths and they want to kill us all. Well, no. I mean, it it appears that unless you want the USA to invade you and overthrow you, you better get one. That's the message that's being sent by US foreign policy. The North Koreans, you'll remember, in the 1990s, they said, uh, they they started moving toward, you know, building a nuclear weapon. And Bill Clinton made a deal with them and they said, "If you don't get a nuclear weapon, we will give you all this heating gas and all this food aid and all of this." Maline Albbright went there. She met with Kim Jong- and
41:42she came out and she said, "Oh, wow."
41:44you know, Kim Jong-un was actually an intelligent person. Like, what did she think? This is the leader of a country of millions of people. Is he an idiot or something? She said, "Oh, yeah, he's just actually a smart human being, you know, and they made this deal and they got a little bit of aid." And then Congress cut off the funding and North Korea said, "Hey, we agreed not to get nuclear weapons in exchange for this aid." And the aid didn't come and the aid didn't come. And then Bill Clinton was out of office and Bush was in office and the aid didn't come. And then Bush gave his axis of evil speech and at that
42:11point, North Korea said, "Okay, so we're not going to get this aid." And now we're part of the axis of evil and they got nuclear weapons and uh they've been safe from US attack ever since it appears.
42:20>> Yeah, certainly. and and uh now we're in a situation where uh the world is looking at North North Korea and wondering and I will guarantee there's states all over the place right now wondering you know looking at the contradiction the contradiction of saying North uh uh uh North Korea was this terrible threat and they're still part of the axis of evil but we're not going to touch them in fact we don't even threaten to touch them right we look at Iran and now say Iran says they don't want one we're going to talk about this today. Oh, there's all the evidence that they don't want one. The CIA has said they don't
42:55want one. Every Donald Trump literally had to say, "I'm going to ignore what the National Intelligence Assessment says to go after them." And so, I think we're in a situation where the United States is haphazardly, foolishly acting in ways that are contradiction. Well, here's the issue. Contradicting what the US claims. Because here's the other part that I think is critical, Caleb.
43:19The claim that this conflict is about nuclear weapons is a fraud.
43:25>> Yeah, >> they've talked because remember, let's not forget it was about protesters.
43:29First, first of all, we're going to 42,000 protesters were killed like in a week or something. So, we were told I mean just a massive slaughter that the world has never seen. How a bunch of cops with small arms killed 42,000 pe protesters in a week. And but we couldn't we didn't see the mountains of bodies. I don't know how they did pull that one off. But the point being and then we change it to nuclear weapons and then the president has to literally say I'm going to ignore my own intelligence assessment to to make the claim nuclear weapons. So what we see now is as we clearly start understand this is not about preventing nuclear
44:09weapons that it's as you said it's the other way around. It's simply saying we can attack you because we want as as the president has said about um Venezuela, we want your oil. We want your resources. We want access to your geographical advantages and topographical advantages. Everything that you have as Iran, we want Iran so we can have those things and we just got to make up a lie so we can do it. And the only way to counteract that is as Iran does to be powerful enough to um punish the aggressor. But the other part of it is you still take punishment and a logical person is going to say a good guy with a nuclear weapon stops a
44:53bad guy. Don't we get back there over no matter how much we go around in circles about that about that we get back to the point where Sergey Lavrov was correct.
45:03somewhere people start thinking maybe I need quote a deterrent force because that's the only thing that seems to work with people like Pete Egg and Donald Trump. Yeah. Yeah. And uh it's very scary uh what the results of this could be in the long term. I think it is a complete understanding on the part of every world power is that we don't want more nuclear world weapons in the world.
45:28We want less. But US foreign policy in the long term is going to lead to more nuclear weapons around the world, which is something that we kind of universally as a human community agree is not a good thing.
45:39>> Absolutely. Um once again, my name is Garland Nixon and I am standing in for Jimmy Door. Um Jimmy Door is on vacation and I'm uh you know, fortunate to be able to I'll put it like this to I I I can take his place, but I sure can't uh fill his shoes. But at any rate, um we've got lots to talk about. We're with Caleb Moffin today and next we've got an interesting article and that is our our buddy, our friend, the one and only uh Max Blumenthal with the Greyzone Piers Morgan invited Max Blumenthal on to discuss his Iran reporting. The Morgan if he that guy hasn't been humiliated so many times he must enjoy
46:18it, you know. um uh to discuss his Iran reporting and the illegal seizure of his devices by the US government, but spent much of his time questioning Blumenthal's impartiality because we know that Pierce Morgan is completely impartial and is not in in charge is not, you know, standing um on behalf of the establishment. I'm absolutely not impartial. Blu Blumenthal explained, "I am not objective." And the concept of objectivity as we understand it is set out by the corporate media according to the parameters devised for them by their militant Zionist ruling class owners who literally owned the networks that you appear on. And by you,
47:01he meant Piers Morgan. Blumenthal then illustrated how Morgan manufactured consent for USIsraeli war for the USIsraeli war on Iran by promoting inflated death tolls. 42,000 people killed in a few days of protest. That's going to be tough. And a false narrative of the Israeli and US sponsored regime change riots that rocked Iran in January. All right, we have, I believe, a video of that. So, let's check it out.
47:35In relation to the question I asked you though in the you know to establish credentials of journalistic impartiality did you go to the scene of where the Iranian regime massacred his own people have you >> first of all I'm not [clears throat] impartial I am absolutely not impartial I am not objective and the concept of objectivity as we understand it is set out by the corporate media according to the parameters devised for them by their milit militant Zionist ruling class. But did you go to the scene? Did you go to the scene that you appear on and other I'm not impartial to your to your direct question to your direct question and I
48:14and I really want to have a conversation about how this reflects on journalism and the constitution. But to your direct question, >> uh you previously hosted me in January and basically I was sandbagged. I was sandwiched between uh you know a actual war criminal Jonathan Krikas from the Israeli military and three Iranian monarchists and I debated this very question and I I acknowledged that at least 3,000 people were killed in two days of protest which the Israeli Mossad and US intelligence have expressly taken credit for. Scott Bent, the Treasury Secretary explicitly took credit for fawning these riots by uh devaluing
48:53Iran's currency. The Iranian government has released the IDs and names of everyone who was killed there. 3,000 people is a lot of people, but they were not all just innocent protesters. And many of them were police officers. This all began with attacks on police stations. And I was actually while I was there, and I'm about to produce a report on this, able to interview some offduty cops. I wasn't set up to meet them. I started a conversation with them and they told me how their police stations came under attack. How police officers were burned and killed. Some were beheaded by the people's mek which is a
49:26CIA backed militant organization. There were alo also Kurdish militant groups like Kale and uh Pjack which were involved. These were militarized riots.
49:36They weren't innocent protests. And it was a bridge between the 12-day war from last year to the current war which you say you opposed. But you know, I watched you manufacture consent for that war by allowing people to lie about the number who were killed, claiming 40,000.
49:52>> I don't think you know how many I don't think you know any better than they do how many were killed. But >> I do know and Iran International. You know what the Iranian regime told you?
50:01>> No. Iran International, which is basically run by Israel and used to be run by the Saudis, has acknowledged that less than 5,000 >> I've seen multiple reports.
50:10>> Again, it's a lot. Listen, I don't know.
50:12I don't know the exact number, nor do you, nor do I don't think anybody else does. And hopefully one day we will find out.
50:18>> Okay, Pierce. Pierce, what would the UK Pierce, what would the UK do if uh Russian intelligence and Chinese intelligence were arming riers to attack police stations?
50:27>> You know what we would do? Burning churches. Well, >> what do you think would happen in the UK?
50:32>> What we were going to do is, you know, we were going to have you debate with somebody. Will Chamberlain wanted to do it. You didn't want to debate with him.
50:37He sent this message.
50:38>> I don't even know who that is. Is that okay? Is that like the back?
50:40>> He's a regular guest on my show and he's he's he's somebody who >> And then you and then you wanted me to debate like a pansexual former Disney actor. I mean I'm it I deserve some respect. [laughter] >> One thing you got to give him. You got to give Will Chamber. What is that? The basketball player. Is he going to slam dunk on me? No thanks, pal. I'm not trying to get posterized, you know, on in you know an ESPN highlight film. Not happening. But we get back to this and that is the discussion of the media about you know that is that is number one as he clearly takes to the imperial pro-war pro- US empire UK position. He
51:25questions the other person to say are you impartial and he clearly demonstrates that he's not impartial.
51:34Yeah. I mean when I'm watching him talk there uh I'm immediately thinking of how America is one of the only western countries that maintains the death penalty right most western countries almost all of them I think we are the only western country that still has the death penalty why do we have it for police officers right it's police officers feel that especially in places like Texas and places like Florida there's a feeling that if one police officer gets killed we need to take that person's life as a favor to the police right that is the feeling that we need to show respect for law enforcement that
52:04you can't kill a police officer. So here in Iran, these protests happened that Israel admitted they were behind and they staged and hundreds of Iranian police officers were killed. Hundreds of them, not one, not two, hundreds were killed. Now this organization he passingly mentioned, MEK, that's Mujahadin Kulk, the people's mujahedin uh of Iran. That used to be a designated terrorist organization in America, right? You can look it up. They were listed by the US state department as a designated foreign terrorist group. This was a group of what they called Islamo Marxists. They worshiped their prophet
52:40was Masud Rajabi and he was a guy who claimed he was the combined reincarnation of the prophet Muhammad, Jesus and Vladimir Lenon in one body sent to earth to bring on a global communist Islamic revolution. And he killed Americans. Uh he took Americans hostage before the Islamic revolution and after the Islamic revolution. uh the Ayatollah uh you know Kmeni basically said we don't want you to be part of our government. So then they blew up the Iranian parliament and killed 81 members of the parliament. Can you imagine something like that? We you know we talk about January 6 people running around in
53:13the capital. Imagine somebody did something like that and killed 81 parliamentarians. I mean they they're a vicious group and during the Iraq Iran war Saddam Hussein air dropped them into Iran. Uh and they they raised whole villages and slaughtered people. because they were backed by Saddam Hussein, the US government designated them as a foreign terrorist group. But then after the USA invaded Iraq, you know, Saddam Hussein wasn't there to back them, but they hate Iran, right? They were they're enemies of Iran. And so they got recruited uh and they're the ones that assassinated Iranian nuclear scientists.
53:46When I was in Iran, I actually went to the site where a professor, a guy who taught nuclear physics was walking to class and somebody walked up to him and blew him away point blank. uh you know and and was killed and they have a monument to these peaceful nuclear scientists that were assassinated where the mujahadin kulk this kind of crazy extremist Islamo Marxist whatever you want to call them group was in coordination with Israel and murdered nuclear scientists and so that group you know that's an extremist group a fanatical extremist group that's backed by the United States and backed by Israel we we know how dangerous they are
54:18because there's American citizens who died at their hands uh we designated them as a foreign terrorist group they sent all their people out into the streets and hundreds of police officers were killed and we're supposed to see the Iranian government uh responding to that and executing people that were part of that as well they're just a brutal brutal regime. It's so horrible. It's like we're not you know understanding the situation here. We wouldn't tolerate that. You know we had an endless amount of hysteria in American media because supposedly remember Russia gate and it all turned out to be a hoax but
54:48supposedly Russia had bought some bots on Twitter. Oh my god, we can't have that. Uh now Marco Rubio and all of them are throwing a fit about, you know, organizations in America that might supposedly have ties to Cuba. Well, you know, these organizations, you know, they're not killing anybody. They're not murdering police officers. They're not blowing up buildings. I mean, this is the the double standard here is very, very uh extreme. And that, you know, I'm sure that Iran responded to uh the provocations by the American government, by the Israeli government, utilizing kind of extremist groups in the country
55:19to burn police stations and kill police officers. I'm sure Iran responded with a heavy hand, no doubt about it. And there were executions and I mean, but you have to understand the context of these things that but we have a very one-sided narrative of Iran is just an evil regime. Anything they do is completely unacceptable. Well, uh, the world is more nuanced and complicated than that.
55:38And the Islamic Republic has faced an all-out onslaught. And, you know, and if you ever said, well, this is being staged by the United States, uh, the defenders of of of Israel and stuff.
55:48That's a conspiracy theory. But then Israel took credit for it. Their their leadership said, "We did this. They they did this. They they took credit for it."
55:56So it was very clearly a foreign operation to try and destabilize Iran and it was not successful. And so now uh we're at war. The United States is doing what you know the the you know extremists funded by the United States and Iran couldn't do. When it really gets down to it, the Islamic Republic has a lot of popular support in every neighborhood. They have what's called a basie council where people wake up every day and say, "How can I advance the Islamic revolution in my neighborhood, in my community?" U and there's a really strong and wellorganized layer of the population that says the Islamic
56:29Republic and their Shia Islamic ideology, not capitalism, but Islam, war of poverty against wealth, neither east nor west, Islamic Republic, they believe in that. And the Islamic Revolutionary Guards is a military organization that is the largest economic entity in Iran.
56:44And uh they have a huge base of support.
56:47And so when people go out to try and overthrow the government, there's a lot of ordinary people that aren't police officers, that aren't members of of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards, but are just ordinary people who go out and push back. And that's why the Islamic Republic is still standing in sight in in light of all the sanctions, all the bombing that they've faced. They have a huge base of support and they've delivered the goods, right? I mean it was Kmeni under his leadership that uh that Iran you know got full medical care for the population. If you look at how much the infant mortality rate dropped
57:16during the 1980s and how access to medical care uh was made available to the population. They electrified the countryside. I mean they built these beautiful huge highways. I mean they raised the population's living standard.
57:29There's pretty much universal employment in Iran. Uh if you want a job the government will give you one. uh you know maybe it won't be the best job you ever wanted but they basically guarantee employment and an income to their population. Uh they have a very wellorganized uh layer of people that are very very loyal to them. They have medical services available. They've done a lot to raise the people up and there's a lot of people in Iran especially in the countryside in the rural areas who are very very loyal to the Islamic Republic and will go down fighting. And I I saw when I was in Iran, the first
57:58time I ever went to Iran, I saw how every neighborhood has faces. You go to like every block in Thran, they've got, you know, they've got faces up and the faces are of people in that neighborhood who are what they call martyrs, people who died for the Islamic Republic. And every block, every neighborhood has a monument to somebody who gave their life in that neighborhood to defend the Islamic Republic. And in Shia Islam, martyrdom is considered one of the the highest things one can do. Now, I I don't think that's unique to Shia Islam necessarily, right? Jesus Christ told his followers, "Whoever gains his life
58:30shall lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake shall gain it." So, you know, the Christian religion talks about that, too. But that's a really big emphasis in the Shia interpretation is that if you give your life for the oppressed, uh you are one of the most high people in in the next life. So, I I believe that Iran is not going to fall and they have a huge base of support.
58:49you know, um, as a journalist, this concept about, um, impartiality, right?
58:56Um, I find it interesting that a, you know, especially a Piers Morgan or anyone in the US, uh, media would talk about that. I mean, the impartiality certainly is, I mean, if I'm a journalist and I'm reporting on the Yankees versus the versus the the, you know, the uh, what are they, the Red Sox, sure, you know, I want to be in partiality unless I'm reporting in New York or Boston. Fair enough. Great.
59:19Excellent. But when you talk, let's say we say someone was arrested for beating and murdering a family of four. Well, you don't want to say, well, we've got to think about the killer side, too. You know, I mean, he's a human. No, that's not the way you want to do things.
59:32Clearly, there is a moral aspect here.
59:35And I think when you're talking about genocide, when you're talking about what is in this instance a an illegal war of aggression, which is the greatest crime known to humanity um under international law, attacking an innocent country, and international law says that's where all other terrible crimes come from. The concept of impartiality in the context of the way that Piers Morgan is using it means that you have to be quote impartial in a way that doesn't take morality or right or wrong into context.
60:09However, that never works the other way.
60:11If you ask Morgan, you know, if you ask them, well, is u I don't know the Russia Ukraine. No. of there's clearly Russia's the bad guys and Ukraine's the good guys. So they will say that you have to be impartial as they take sides in every conflict to say one side is the bad guy and it's always the side that opposes uh British and US imperialism.
60:35Yeah. I mean this whole thing about objectivity is just silly. I mean first of all there's not two sides to every story. There's 50 sides to every story.
60:42Right. So you say I'm going to cover both sides. Well there's there's way more than that. not, you know, it's not simply two sides to every story. Uh, on top of that, I mean, for years, you know, I've been handing out leaflets as an activist, you know, I some you hand someone a leaflet. Oh, I won't take that. I think for myself. I watch CNN and Fox and I make up my own mind. I can't take your leaflet. That's propaganda. You know, I think for myself, you know, I mean, this is the whole thing in America, right? We think for ourselves. And, you know, we're shown images of of young people in Iran or young people in Venezuela or young
61:09people in in China or whatever. And it's like, oh, those young people, they're brainwashed. But in America, they think for themselves. They've done studies that show most American young people can't even find their own country on a map, right? They don't even know where their own country is on a map. Well, you you show me those images of young people in Iran that are part of the bas of the revolutionary guards. You show me those images of young Bolivarian youth in Venezuela or the young pioneers in China. You know, you say those kids are brainwashed. They can all find their own country on a map, you know, and that
61:38think for yourself and this, oh, I think for myself, it's just kind of an excuse for not thinking at all. uh in a lot of cases and it's very phony and it's just kind of part of the western liberal narrative that I think the whole world can see through.
61:49>> You know what's interesting also is about this concept is okay impartiality that implies that the media has a duty to be impartial. Why do I say that?
62:01There are a lot of us, people like me, people like Ray McGovern, so many of us who used to be regulars on national television, who used to be regulars on CNN, MSNBC, Fox, many of us, including Max, would get calls from uh major networks and say, "I'd like you to come on and talk." You know, you know, I was on constantly. And a few years ago as the imperialism here started to you know turn into a you know an absolute frenzy all the people who opposed the government's position suddenly disappeared. So if there is an impartiality in discussion, there has to be an impartiality in the guests that come in instead of bringing on John
62:44Bolton, General Jack Keane, you know, and some other person who's on the board of directors for Loheed Martin or General Dynamics and then calling, you know, saying that they are and then bringing in someone who's um uh acts on behalf of the Iranian opposition and pretending like you're being impartial.
63:00That's the other part of it, Caleb.
63:02>> Yeah. And I mean, I guess when it really gets down to it, the the problem is the problem for the elite, not for guys like you and I that are standing up and challenging their narratives. People just don't buy this anymore. There was a time, and I'm I'm sure you remember it very very well, when people did buy this, right? That, you know, America was number one. We're the greatest country in the world. And if you challenge that, you must be brainwashed. Everyone knows America's the greatest country in the world. You know, that's just not how it is. Average people in this country know that we're being lied to. They know our
63:30freedoms are being taken away. They know these wars don't benefit us. They know our civil liberties and our living standard is going down. Americans don't buy it. And they're trying to manage the disscent that's been caused by the very problems they've implemented. I mean that that living standards are going down. The world is changing. It's becoming more multipolar. And so those of us who believe in truth and justice, we got to just keep doing what we're doing and spread the truth and try to get to a better world and try to awaken people to think.
63:56>> Well, keep up the good work there.
63:57You're a you're you're you're a solid journalist. You've got a lot of great books and uh what's your latest book again?
64:03>> Imperialism and anti-imperialism. Check it out. Yeah. Yeah. A lot in there. So, check it out.
64:08>> All right. Sounds good. Thanks. And uh you're what is it? CPIUSa.org.
64:13>> Yep. Center for Political Innovation.
64:14We're an organization that's educating people about anti-imperialism. We got our convention coming up in Chicago August 15th. It's going to be great. So, check us out. Center for Political Innovation, cpusa.org.
64:25>> Caleb Min, a solid journalist and a good friend. Thank you very much. My name's Garland Nixon and I'm standing in for the great Jimmy Door who's out on vacation. And I know we all miss Jimmy, but we've got some various people who are standing in for him and hopefully we can, you know, we can carry the baton for Jimmy. We'll be right back with Larry Johnson.
64:51I'm still shocked at the lack of curiosity of most people into CO and all the lies that were told and how people still aren't angry at Dr.
65:04Fouchy. Uh would what do you do do you still find it incredible that people are incurious about what actually happened and you could take it anywhere you want about co >> uh I'll be amazed by what happened for all of my life I I'll I will never get to a point where I'm not amazed by what happened in 2019 2021 and is still still going on. Uh there's a strange schizophrenia about it. On the one hand uh when in relation to things like uh injury from the jabs, um excess deaths, various aspects, the the mass of the population have been successfully moved on. People just don't talk about it. And yet the jabs are still out there. you
65:54know, people are still receiving boosters or or whatever it is they call them or or at the very at the very least that product is still available.
66:03>> Um we find that we talk when I say we I mean you know my wife Trudy and I we we find that more and more around us people report um illnesses and death in a way that we didn't we weren't familiar with.
66:15I mean, we're not, you know, we're not um we're not the youngest people in the room, but but we're only, I suppose, really in middle age, and we think it's a bit premature to be hearing about so many strokes, uh heart attacks, so much neurological damage that that that neighbors, pastors, will report to us. Our kids come in from their jobs and say, you know, so and so uh you know, has been diagnosed with stage 4 such and such.
66:41and and yet even now you do not mention the job. You just you just don't because I think that it's not a lack of curiosity. I think for for too many people who who who went with it who believed in it and then and then you know and and too many people who who took the jabs and all the people around them took the jabs they don't want to contemplate what the consequences have been and I do understand that. Uh but it is it's a completely bizarre state of affairs and I become I expected six years in or whatever to be beyond it but I'm not. I'm completely fascinated is the wrong word but it's a sinister
67:25presence in the background of our lives that we don't talk about.
67:36H thank you for that one. Neil Oliver on a little Jimmy Short. All right. Uh, great interview with Caleb Min. Thank you, Garland. We just have a few chats and then we'll throw back to Garland with our next guest, Larry Johnson. So, we got Sparky out the gate. Great work, Garland. Keep on trucking. Funky Lollipop. We can't allow the kidnapping of Maduro or others so-called enemies of America to be to become normalized, no matter your politics. Thank you, Funky Lollipop.
68:07Sparky is back. Father and daughter I know visited their alma mater unaware of the uni of the unite the right rally.
68:16Saw protesters from both sides getting off the same charter buses on the outskirts of Charlottesville.
68:24Sparky again. Fun fact, Pete Hexath was introduced to the media by Lindsey Graham around 2010. Before that, Pete was Lindsay's rent boy. Oh, I've not heard rent boy.
68:36Thanks, Sparky. Chris, Algra, is it?
68:40Piers got emoji. Has to pretend he didn't enjoy it. Is that Oh, slapped. All right.
68:46Thank you, Chris.
68:48Sparky. Rudy Giuliani is an Emmy K stoogge who lied about Ronald Reagan supporting Israel. Truth is, Reagan told Israel to go f itself and to go get the hell out of Lebanon and they complied.
69:03Spike Steaggle. Weird how we hear about Islam Marxists, but never Christian or Jewish Marxists. It's almost like they took two terms, turned them into pjoratives, and mash them together for their war agenda. It is almost like that. Spike Spiegel. And uh on that note, oh, you know what? We don't have Garland. He's not ready quite yet. Hold, hold, hold. Let's see. Do I have did I have any last chats come in? Just a moment.
69:31Oh, let's see. No, I didn't. Not over there. Let me see. Oh, here he comes.
69:35He's ready. He's ready. All right, back to Garland.
69:38>> Hello, Garland Nixon here. I'm standing in for Jimmy Door. Jimmy is on vacation this week and he's got a few people standing in for him. If you've been watching, Russell Dobular and various really really good people and I'm I'm happy to be I'm happy to grab the baton and keep running with it for Jimmy Door.
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70:28Larry Johnson. He's a C CIA analyst and deputy director of the State Department's former deputy director of the State Department's office of counterterrorism from 1989 to 1993 where he specialized in transportation security and anti-terrorism training.
70:43After leaving government service, he co-founded Berg Associates, an international consulting firm focused on terrorism, aviation security, and crisis management. He currently publishes analyses on intelligence, national security, and political issues on his fantastic website, a website that I go to regularly so I can uh know what's going on. OSENT, they call it, open source intelligence. The one and only Larry Johnson. Larry, welcome.
71:11>> How are you, >> man? Oh man, I got to tell you, that's a nice shirt you got there, buddy.
71:15Larian's known for his uh known for his what do we call them? Tropical shirts.
71:20Hawaiian shirts. What?
71:21>> Well, this is an Aussie shirt. This This was gifted to me by one of the viewers, readers, listeners from Australia.
71:29>> Oh, there you go. Well, that's great.
71:31Well, let's get started on this important uh segment.
71:36Let's So, what we've been listening to, Larry, recently is we've got to stop Iran from having nukes. Uh, this is all about Iran nukes.
71:46Donald Trump literally told a bunch of school kids a while back, if we hadn't let started this war, the Iranians would have got a nuke and launched it directly at you and you'd have been gone. So, thank God. Let's go back. Look at the date on this. May 2000.
72:03Okay, let's So, this is 2026. So this is now US intel community agreed before the Iran war Iran wasn't developing a nuclear weapon. One of the many tragedies of this war is that before the war began, the US intel community, including the CIA, was in agreement that Iran wasn't developing a nuclear weapon and that Iran would target US bases in the region and shut down the Straits of Hormuz if they were attacked by Israel in the US.
72:35This was according to Joe Kent. Well, let's go back a little bit further. This is 2007.
72:43US finds Iran halted its nuclear arms effort in sorry about that for God's sake in 2003.
72:56A new assessment by American intelligence agency's replace Monday concludes that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the program remains frozen contradicting a judgment two years ago that tan was working relentlessly towards a nuclear bomb. Donald M. career, the principal deputy director of national intelligence, said that since the new est since the new estimate was at at odds with the 2005 assessment and thus at odds with public statements by top officials about Iran, we felt it was important to release this information to ensure that an accurate presentation.
73:35So, we see another similarity. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. What's this? America's spies say Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon. Trump dismisses the assessment.
73:48Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran's nuclear program earlier this year. The country was not building a nuclear weapon. The national intelligence director told lawmakers and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels. You know, Larry, what we're seeing here is something that's kind of horrifying, and that is that um the the the US intelligence community for years, oops, for years, has has been saying the same thing. And now we hear President Trump, now that he's in a bind, now that he's backed into a corner and losing the
74:34war, going back to that old familiar song, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Iran.
74:38Oh, no, I mean Iraq. Oh, I can't decide which one. Larry Johnson.
74:42>> Yeah. Um, you know, the real irony here is, uh, I expect maybe within two to three weeks we'll learn that Iran has decided to build or may have already now built since fe February 28th a nuclear weapon. Why?
74:59Because we killed the one guy, Ali Kami, who was the one that said, "We're not going to build nukes." You go back and in fact, Robert Barnes has done an excellent job laying out the the polling evidence. I think it was collected by Richard Bars. Uh that shows back, you know, go back 10 years, the majority of Iranians said, "We don't want a nuke. That's that's not our thing. We're, you know, we're we're with the Ayatollah. No nuke.
75:30And yet, what was the United States response? To kill every moderate, every Iranian that opposed it. And now the the majority of Iranians say, "We got to have a nuke because if we don't have a nuke there, we're going to continue to be victims of these kinds of attacks and we want that to stop."
75:50So that's the ultimate irony here is that the United States uh ostensibly trying to prevent Iran from getting a nuke has done everything to facilitate Iran getting a nuke. And and when I'll say when, not if, when Iran unveils that it does finally have a nuclear weapon, it will be the fault of the United States. We drove them into this. We left them no alternative.
76:15You know, Larry, you're former CIA and you know, you know what goes on in the in the inside. And we've seen the CIA for all of its flaws and all of the anger that we have of the CIA for doing all kinds of devious diabolical deeds around the world. We see that in this instance, the analysts looked at it said, "Well, they don't have it for whatever reason." And we can argue about the political uh background on that, but what what goes into those kinds of things? How do they come to that conclusion? Why do you think with all of the pressure for the political pressure to say, "Yes, they definitely got, you
76:52know, with BB Netanyahu for the last 40 years saying they're, you know, two days away." How do you think the CIA comes out with this assessment? And why do you think they were able to do it? Well, you you you you draw upon a a broad uh source of of or a number of different sources. Um I ideally you've got human intelligence from people who let's say in this case spies who had been uh you know Iranians who were recruited to give us information that normally Iran wouldn't want to give out, but we'd know what was being said behind closed doors and in in meetings that were held in classified facilities in Iran. So, so
77:32that's that's number one. Uh you look at you look for what are what are the indicators what what would need to be happening materially logistically you know like buying centrifuges uh any any sign that the enrichment of uranium was exceeding 60%. because you know at 60% in theory you could build a nuclear device but it would be so large so unwieldy I mean it's just is it's not it's not practical or useful you really need to get above 90% in order to uh enrich the uranium you'd be looking for intelligence of contacts with say you know in this case uh Pakistan uh Pakistan's uh you know one nuclear
78:19scientist Khan was notorious for he helped the North Koreans get it. So if he was making visits to to Iran or the Iranians were, you know, we had it through intercepted communications, you know, NSA side. So again, it's it's like you're you are given a jigsaw puzzle and you're asked to try to put the puzzle pieces together. But in putting those puzzle pieces together, you also take into account what is it that the Ayatollah has been saying both publicly and then is there any evidence to substantiate that what is public pronouncements are being complied with and you when he insisted that this is a
78:57fatwa, it is a sin. It's haram to to build a nuclear device because you're going to kill innocent people with it.
79:04Uh the intelligence community and it wasn't just the CIA. wasn't just one analyst at CIA said this is what I think. I mean, you know, back when I was doing the job and I, you know, I was I was covering the war in Central America.
79:19Uh, if I if I wrote a judgment about something, I had to coordinate it with an analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency, at least one, sometimes more, analysts at uh the National Security Agency, analysts at the Bureau of State Intelligence and Research. uh th those were the key ones and and um you know either they'd agree or disagree and you know there were times when we had disagreements and then they they could write a what's called a disscent and say no we we think you know Larry Johnson claims uh the moon is white we insist the moon is yellow because um so the fact that you had unity within
80:05the intelligence community where you DIA, NSA, state INR, you know, those are the principal intelligence units that would weigh in and comment on this. You know, we keep hearing the same about, oh, there are 17 intelligence agencies or I've heard now 18 that the most of those are largely irrelevant. All they are is consumers of intelligence. They're not producers of intelligence. And what what what we're working with raw product, we want to deal with those who are producers. State produces intelligence and state department cables. DIA produces a whole variety of product that comes out of US military sources overseas. National
80:54Security Agency produces material that comes from accep intercepted conversations, emails, telephone calls, etc. Uh then you get into you get the National Geographic uh what do they call it? National Geographic uh space agency or anyways we used to call it NPIC and it would be it it does all the photography overhead imagery. Then you get into satellite systems with the National Reconnaissance Office. But but normally when you're dealing with pictures, you know, it's just, hey, that's this is the picture, you know, there's no not much interpretation there or the kind of interpretation is the the
81:33guys and gals that do that, they man, they got a meticulous eye for detail.
81:37But but my point in this is they came, this was a community judgment. It just wasn't one person. And then that judgment went up through a levels of bureaucracy in each of those agencies.
81:48So that judgment should have had some weight and Donald Trump as is he's not the first president to ignore the judgment of the intelligence community.
81:58He just we've had a long line of those going back to uh uh Lyndon Baines Johnson. Um, you know, one of the interesting things about this particular instance and the discussion of nuclear weapons with Iran, we can look at the level of technological advancement that they have. They're a high-tech country.
82:17We look at what's happening in the United States is shocked at their u military technological advancements.
82:23Boy, we can't stop their missiles.
82:25They've got this kind of missile.
82:26they've got this kind of their um ISR intelligence uh surveillance and um reconnaissance has gotten to the point where the US is saying well it must be Russia or somebody must be helping them this is a high-tech uh country and so here's what I'm getting at that they can't well they could in one week two weeks 3 weeks it's clear with the technological capacity of Iran that if they want to do do one they could the only question is not whether they could not a discussion of they could in one week or two weeks or 10 months. Clearly, they have the capacity to do one. The only issue is whether they want one or
83:04not. And now we're actually hearing seeing polls come out of Iran that say the majority of the people in Iran now were saying to their government, "We want you to go get one."
83:16>> Yeah. And that's what we've that's what we've accomplished.
83:19um before the United you know Trump was told prior to launching the war on 28th of February that 80% of the population of Iran was against the Islamic Republic against the Ayatah Ali Kami and Trump bought into that. Now it was a lie. It was a fabrication. It was a CIA fabrication I I will claim because it was using uh using a group out of the Netherlands called I think Gain and Gain was set up with money out of National Endowment for Demar basically CIA cutouts and Gain was using a VPN that was out of Canada also set up with CIA cutouts and but they they produced the narrative that oh yeah 80% of these
84:09people are are against they'll rise up in a moment in a heartbeat. And so the the assumption was all we do decapitate the leadership and man this you're going to have this title wave of support to house that government rise up. Well that didn't happen. It was the exact opposite. Uh University of Maryland to its credit had been conducting old-fashioned surveys, telephone surveys and what they what they came up with was actually a 70% support for the Islamic Republic. Well, since the surprise attack on the 28th of February and then the murder of 168 uh little girls at school, uh the the popular opinion in Iran has
84:54rallied completely around the Islamic Republic, the Mullis. Uh it is it that government now has more support than at any time in its history since it since Ayatollah Kmeni returned from France back in 19 in February 1979.
85:14>> Let's take let's take a look at >> two weeks away in my opinion two weeks away from having a nuclear weapon. If those beautiful, magnificent machines, those B2 bombers, if they didn't do their job seven or eight months ago, they would have had they would have had a nuclear weapon and there would have been no talking to them. No talking at all. They would have used it very gladly, very happily. And you sort of see that by the fact that they were sending missiles, ballistic missiles, powerful missiles to all of their neighbors. And for the most part, they were supposed to be somewhat friendly with their neighbors. They were going to
85:51blow the hell out of them and that was going to be the Middle East. Between Israel, the Middle East and uh Europe would have been there and we would have been there. There would have been no stopping and we did a good job and a lot of people appreciate it. A lot of presidents know they should have done it. It was 47 years of terror. Every time you see somebody with no legs, no arms, a face that's been really so badly damaged, so badly hurt, uh lives destroyed. Uh 95% chance it was it came right out of Iran.
86:30>> You know, there's a lot I could say, but I'm going to get your um reaction, Larry, to that video.
86:35>> Yeah, you know, Trump is he's just he's out of touch with reality.
86:40Um and uh again he doesn't want to take into account that his own actions have now created the the the r this the foundation of support for Iran to create uh and build a nuclear weapon. They have the they've always had the engineering scientific capability to do it. Um, and I'm sure since the 28th of February, they've been they've been undergoing uh enrichment of what of the enriched there was already the stock of 60% enriched uranium. I I think they made the decision after those initial surprise attacks to step up that enrichment. I think I would not doubt that they already have they have the the necessary
87:25enriched uranium to make a bomb and and make at least two or three. And I would I wouldn't be surprised to see them unveil that within >> a week or two. And then that that's going to again change the complexion of this whole thing.
87:41>> Yeah. Let's let's look at a couple more slides here [clears throat] again. There we see this. Trump dismisses DNI Gabbard's testimony on Iran nuclear uh capabilities. I don't care what she says. Right.
87:57>> Yeah. There you got it. case. I mean, it doesn't it doesn't get any clearer than that. I'm ignoring the intelligence. I'm telling the intelligence to go to hell.
88:08I don't care what you say.
88:10Wow. Toasty Gabbard testified in March that the intelligence community said Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon.
88:16It's not her saying it. She was relating information to you from your intelligence agencies. I don't care what she says. I think they were very close to having it. As you said, it's just simply a way of saying I ignore it. We continue on. All right. Um, if I can, you know, figure out how to get us out. There we go, Larry. We'll we'll we'll we will get out of here.
88:42[snorts] Um, so yeah, that's what we're dealing with. It's clear and obvious now that Iran could have a nuclear weapon if they want one, that they haven't had one because they didn't feel they had a need for one, and that they have actually developed the um ability to vend them to defend themselves quite a conventional weapons. But now that as the the threat increases, you know, um you know, if someone else pulls out a you know, a knife, then you're probably going to pull out a knife. If they pull out a gun, you're probably going to pull out a gun. And that's the situation we find ourselves in. Um,
89:20let's go next to two of our favorite guys.
89:24>> Oh, what you you're bringing Lindsey Graham back from the dead.
89:28>> Oh my gosh. No. But we're doing even better than this.
89:34A New York article a New York article details White House debates where officials like Sullivan and Anthony Blinken considered withholding US weapons from Israel. They considered it US weapons from Israel after Hamas October 720 23 attacks but held back approving only over $20 billion in arm sales amid over 70,000 Palestinian deaths and widespread was probably 10 times that. I've seen over 600,000 by some uh uh uh estimates. Blinken voiced remorse over the civilian harm, calling it intolerable. While the US policy is described as overly differential to Netanyahu, creating a moral hazard, critics online dismiss the regrets as
90:18hollow. After years of support, with some demanding hate trials, yeah, and others seeing it as reputation laundering. How this is the New Yorker.
90:27How Biden enabled Israel's aggression towards Gaza and Iran. And even that I think is a little going soft. He enabled Israel's aggression. Right. If you and I stand over some guy and we beat the poor guy to death, I didn't enabled it. I was a participant in the murder.
90:45>> Yeah.
90:46>> On March 5th, 5 months into the war in Gaza, Mizani Sparic, the president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, sent a confidential letter to President Joe Biden. Under the Geneva Convention, the Redu uh cross holds a unique responsibility to council states avoiding war crimes.
91:06In the letter, which I obtained from a former United States official, Spoljaric reminded Biden that the organization had condemned the horrific October 7th massacre of Israelis and remained relentless in pressing the group to release the hostages. But she had was now appealing to Biden with profound alarm because Israel, which had been pummeling Gaza with heavy munitions since October, was ignoring the Red Cross as never before.
91:34The way the hostilities are being conducted by Israel is incompatible with the laws of armed conflict, she wrote, particularly the obligations to protect civilians and distinguish between military targets and civilians or civilian infrastructure, to ensure dignified treatment of detainees and the dead, to protect medical installations and personnel, and to provide enable access of humanitarian uh care, allowing the Red Cross to visit detaininees. So they go on and on about all of the things that are required to do require that uh uh Israel's requiring to do, right? And that basically they weren't
92:11doing any of them. And here's what we see. She implored Biden to bring about an immediate change, right? And we even see that there's a a a law, right, an appendix to the letter cited US laws and administration policies that prohibited the transfer of weapons likely to be used in war crimes.
92:32>> Right?
92:32>> She urged Biden to withhold weapons. So she warned Biden that failing to uphold minimum standards would be a moral defeat and future generations are unlikely to forgive us for failing to avert. And we've got to add this and that is that could um not could but would likely uh well let's put it this way could subject him and other members part of his administration to accusations and or trials for war crimes. So it's clear now we're seeing in this article that international organizations were saying to them what you're doing is wrong, what you're doing is immoral. What you're doing is illegal. And now they're starting to
93:13whine, well, you know, perhaps in hindsight, maybe I shouldn't have uh killed 800,000 men, women, and children for nothing.
93:21>> Yeah. No, I mean, it was uh it's it's a little late in the game to come out and uh try to say that uh we should have done more. Well, no kidding. You could have done more. You could have stopped them. The United States has the absolute power to stop Israel because we can cut off their weapon supply, but Israel is uh Israel is the uh the meth dealer and we're the meth addict and so we can't can't get cut off from our our dealer.
93:54Uh and he maintains he provides the money that lubricates all the political campaigns and these politicians are just too deathly afraid to give that up.
94:04So uh you know and and we're reaping the consequences of this. This is uh United States standing in the world has declined and and and Donald Trump and his just lack you know his crassness and his uh um incompetence just further alienated people that used to be considered allies and friends of the United States. United States has become more isolated.
94:32Let's take a look at a video >> invited to a meeting with Jake Sullivan.
94:35I get there and here we were talking about October 7th and the aftermath and there were Arab-American groups, Palestinian groups completely not included. He spoke first and talked about the trauma being experienced by the Jewish community. And uh when he finished I said uh I understand that and I grew up with a mother who made me very sensitive to the plight of Jews during World War II and the aftermath know from Jewish friends how traumatized they were and it reminded them of the pgrams. It reminded them of the threat of Eastern European Jews. And I said, and let me tell you, in my experience in the camps
95:15and survivors of the Nakba, that is happening now with Palestinians, they're feeling that one more time they're going to be victimized and expelled and they're under threat. And I said, we have to keep both in mind. And he didn't say anything. And then toward the end of the meeting, he started going like this with his hands on his head. And I was like, what's going what is he doing? And he said, I have to say something. I know you're going to get upset, but I have to say something. He said, 'What you'd said about, you know, that we have to remember the Palestinians, he said, that smacked of what aboutism, like they're
95:45both equal. And uh he said, that's unacceptable. And I was like, he was so angry that it startled me. Um >> wow.
95:53>> And I said I did not say, you know, this justifies that. I just said there are two peoples and we have to consider the the consequences to both. It was a bad experience. Then I went to Blinken and the meeting with Blinken was weird because I remember saying to him um or somebody else said to him about the number of civilian casualties and he said um it's intolerable. Absolutely intolerable. And I said we should push for a ceasefire. He said no that would be intolerable. I said so there are two intolerables and you've chosen the one that will make more of the other intolerable happen. And he just nodded.
96:32He did a lot of nodding. I don't know whether it was ideology, whether it was just out of being out of touch or in denial or or what. I had [music] never dealt with people more detached from the reality of what was taking place than these guys.
96:50>> Larry, your uh your your your your response to that?
96:55>> Yeah. Well, [clears throat] u I'm going to be doing a a speech at an upcoming conference by uh hosted by Robert Barnes and been asked to talk about you know intelligence community intelligence and you know reforms and the constitution and one of the things I got think you know one of the one of the justifications always for expanding the power of the intelligence community is what I call the Pearl Harbor myth and the Pearl Harbor myth is you know what we just didn't have the intelligence we were blindsided we didn't know it was coming. So therefore, we got to we got to penetrate all of your privacy. We got
97:37to have your full ability to look into everything so we don't get hit like that again.
97:43Well, that's a goddamn lie. We knew Pearl Harbor was coming. It was in the there was they didn't need to go out and get new powers to figure it out. They knew it. Same with 911 that oh, we had no idea it was coming. They knew. Um so the reality is it's never a lack of intelligence.
98:06What it is is a lack of morality uh or uh it is an abundance of venality where policymakers they know and they either do nothing or they continue to [clears throat] facilitate the activity that's causing the harm.
98:26But it's never one of that. Oh, we didn't know. We had no idea. No, they knew. They know and are doing nothing.
98:36>> Let's continue [clears throat] or or we won't. [laughter] Um, so, uh, uh, let me remove it.
98:44[clears throat] So, yeah, what we're looking at here, I think, also, is, you know, and and and and I think this has to be taken into account. I remember a guy named Stuart Selovich. You probably remember this. This was a guy who was a former State Department official and he was in um New York and there was some Muslim guy who was just running a stand selling falafles or something, you know, on the street and he [snorts] runs up and starts harassing the guy and he's saying, "Whoa, we only killed 3,500 children. We need to kill more." And then later on we hear from people over at the Russian uh consulate that he was
99:19would come there and just stand outside and just make you know harassing uh um comments to people. And I look at it and I say that's a very sick person there.
99:29There's a man who I mean I'm not a psychiatrist but I know either a narcissist or a sociopath when I see one. And when you say we've killed 3,500 people children and that ain't enough.
99:40We need to do twice that many or anything down that line. There's uh Scrulu somewhere. When I hear this talk of Blink and Sullivan, people who I already suspected were extremely sick individuals, and then you hear a conversation where somebody saying, "Hey, they're killing a bunch of, you know, men, women, and children. They're starving them. They won't allow them to have water.
100:03Don't say that. You're trying to make it seem like this is equal." Well, all human beings have a right to live. All children have a right. This is equal.
100:11Yeah. the Palestinian children and and and women and and civilians have the exact same right as the um the Jewish uh Israelis because if you're not a Jewish Israeli you don't have any rights whatsoever. But you hear that and I think these are very sick people. This is it's it's beyond just um policy. It becomes we have very very sick twisted individuals in positions of power.
100:40>> Yeah. Yeah. No, it it is, you know, you got to have somebody that's grounded in morality instead of serving the bureaucratic imperative.
100:50And and what do I mean by the bureaucratic imperative? Uh, you know, I was always taught within the bureaucracy, they said an action passed is an action taken. In other words, if you're asked to do something, you don't take responsibility for do it. You pass it off to somebody else to have them do it. Why? Well, if it goes wrong, they get blamed, not you. Uh um and then but you always find a way if it goes right, you can take credit for it. Yeah, that that person did that under my my direction. you know, I I I saw that firsthand when when we were putting together the terrorism rewards program and uh one of the diplomatic security
101:30officers working with me, Brad Smith, Brad had come down with L Lou Garri's disease >> and uh he was dying, but uh he came up with the idea that he said, you know, we ought to advertise our terrorism rewards program on matchbook covers in Arabic and we'll pass those out throughout the uh Afghanistan. because we were looking for Ramsey Yousef, the bomber of the World Trade Center back in 1993.
101:56And so he went to his boss and uh proposed this and the boss said, "No, that's a stupid idea. We're not going to do it." Well, here's Brad and he goes, "Well, hell, I'm dying. They they can't do anything more to me. I'm dying." So, he went ahead and did it and got it printed up and then got samples of it to members of Congress. Members of Congress loved it. this was great. And what did his boss do? His boss said, "Yes, that that was my idea. I I took and he took complete credit for it, which is, you know, that that story right there encapsulates Washington DC, just scumbags and a lot of them in leadership positions that
102:41they will they will blame underlings for their decisions. They will claim credit for the actions of people that work below them.
102:49and where possible avoid responsibility for doing anything. Uh that is that that turned out badly.
102:58>> That is I guess the Casey Stingle uh concept of being a genius. You know, when he won, he was the manager for the Yankees when they had the murderers row.
103:06He had all of these unbelievable hitters and you just about couldn't leave couldn't couldn't lose and they said, "You're a genius. You're a genius manager." And he said, "You know what the definition of a genius is?" They said, "What?" taking credit for all the home runs that somebody else hit. Right.
103:21>> Yeah.
103:22>> Well, he went on to prove himself with the Mets, though, even though even though he had some, you know, questionable years. Again, his leadership brought them around to a world championship.
103:33>> Yeah. But he was apparently he was a bit of a philosopher and a humorist.
103:39>> Absolutely. Absolutely.
103:40>> Um Yeah. And and and I think what we're looking at here is um the problem. And I think that the fact that you get the same people when you look at um this guy Seldovitz, right? He was in the Obama administration and his job was like mitigating the issues between the Israelis and the Palestinians, [clears throat] right? Then you look at um Biden and you see Blinken and Sullivan who are just absolute you know uh uh uh you know over-the-top Zionists and don't do need we even discuss the Trump administration where you know basically there are those who argue that Donald Trump is the vice president of
104:20Israel as opposed to uh as opposed to the president of the United States.
104:23>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's uh we've unfortunately been been thoroughly corrupted from the inside.
104:31um and and the Zionist money has taken over. And it's important to emphasize this is it's not this isn't Jewish. This when we talk about Zionism, we're talking about something that crosses religious boundaries includes Christian Zionists. The but the ultimate irony in that is the Christian Zionists basically believe, yeah, the Jews need to die so Jesus comes back, you know.
104:54>> Yeah, those great friends they are, aren't you? Hey, I'm your best friend, Garland. I love you. Why? because I you got to die and then once you die things will work out real well for me. I just don't see that as a great friend. Now let's look at Tucker Carlson one and Stephen A. Smith.
105:13And you know what? Let me say this before I go to Stephen A. Smith. Do you know how often I walk in a mall or down the street or anywhere and people walk up to me and say, "Did anybody ever tell you you look just like Stephen A.
105:26Smith?" And sometimes I'll say literally every day of my life. [laughter] >> He he you got a better hairline than he does.
105:39>> That's it. All right, let's take a look.
105:40>> And I think one of the most extreme human beings I've ever met in my entire life was Lindsey Graham. And I would say maybe the second most extreme I've ever met is Ted Cruz. Both US senators.
105:49Lindsey Graham unfortunately passed away recently. Ted Cruz still represents Texas. These are people who have called for murdering innocents at scale, bombing people who did nothing wrong, killing kids, and have done that for like decades, who [clears throat] have openly called for the US government and American citizens to be more loyal to a foreign country than to their own.
106:10Who have called for banning Americans right to criticize a foreign country, eliminating free speech on behalf of a foreign nation. You can criticize your own country, totally fine. You'd only criticize a foreign country. That's so crazy that I can hardly believe it's happening and nobody says it. So you'll go and you'll interview Lindsey Graham or I interviewed Ted Cruz last year and people are like, "Oh, no one is like, I can't believe you're sitting with that wacko extremist Ted Cruz who's literally called for murdering people." And by the way, has helped murder people. He's a United States senator. He's not a
106:40podcaster. He votes for things. He appropriates money. That guy has blood on his hands. The blood of of countless innocents, but it's totally cool to sit with him. How does that work? I don't understand. Not one person has ever said, "I can't believe you sat across from Ted Cruz. He's a murderer." It's true, but we because we're so >> You're calling the Senate. You're calling us Senator Brain. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. T these are these are political officials you have known just like you've known Trump. You've known a lot of guys on Capitol Hill. You've interviewed a lot of them. You've talked
107:10to a lot of them. You used to be on Fox News with your top rated show at 8:00 p.m. after you succeeded Bill O'Reilly.
107:16Used to talk to these folks all the time. And now here you are on this show.
107:20You're calling you're calling them a murder. You're calling Senator a guy like Senator Ted Cruz a murderer.
107:27>> Well, it's true. Ted Cruz is calling for the killing of innocents and funding it.
107:31And so what what I'm actually calling for is not calling out poor Ted Cruz who's suffering is already living in hell. And I'm not even mad at Ted Cruz.
107:39I'm I I want to awaken people to a real moral framework. So you have people who say ugly things and great, you know, that happens everywhere. I'm against saying ugly things. I try not to. I have. I try not to do that. But >> you just did. That's a very ugly thing to say, Tucker. I mean, call to call a senator. It is. It's an ugly thing to say, Tucker. First of all, first of all, I don't I don't because he is a senator.
108:03It actually matters. It's not ugly. It's a fact. Ted Cruz has called for killing innocents. He's done it to me many, many, many times. Well, just bomb them.
108:11Just bomb the whole city. Just blow them up. What? There are people, thousands, millions of people who live there who did nothing wrong. They have no role in this. They have no role in a nuclear program. They're just going to work.
108:21They're little kids. That's crazy. That is extremist behavior. And he has the power to make it happen. He's a US senator. So, by the way, we should get back in the media into the habit of criticizing the powerful. And I know everyone's upset about some 27year-old gay kid, Nick Fuentes. Oh, he says naughty things. Yeah, I agree. Whatever.
108:41But who cares? What we should care about is when powerful people misuse their power to hurt the innocent. And Ted Cruz is doing that. And so are a lot of other senators. So I'm just waiting for someone to call me and be like, I can't believe you platform Ted Cruz.
108:54>> I can't believe how how do you live with your Do you sleep at night?
108:58>> I mean, did you shake his hand? The hand of someone who called for the murder of innocents. I can't believe you can live with yourself. I'm waiting for that moment. It'll never come because everyone's so freaking brainwashed that they think that whatever that little gay kid is the is the threat.
109:12And I think one of the most extreme, >> you know, this is a a very important video, I think, and it's brilliant. Once again, once again, my name is Garland Nixon, and I'm standing in for the great Jimmy Door, who is on vacation, and we're here with Larry Johnson, and we're talking about um uh Stephen A. Smith, who is ostensibly a sports commentator, but in this instance, he seems to be a gatekeeper for the powerful. um who seems more offended by the fact that Tucker Carlston honestly called out people who were advocating immoral things than the im immoralities that they're advocating for.
109:55>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was um the the lack of accountability of these members of Congress for advocating policies that uh um uh result in in death and destruction of innocence. And that and that's you know that that is um Tucker's point.
110:21It's one thing to use force again go back to your law enforcement days.
110:25Justifiable use of force is if you've got somebody who's threatening with, you know, imminent loss of life or severe bodily harm, then you as a police officer were were allowed, entitled, and authorized to shoot them. uh or if they were threatening the life of someone else or causing severe bodily harm uh to someone else um so um you you could shoot them but just because you suspected they might be involved with something illegal or you thought that they might be involved with something illegal, you couldn't just walk up and shoot them. Not at all. Uh and uh you know so this that's the principle that
111:09Tucker's getting at that we've got members of Congress that are endorsing providing the the money the authorization appropriation for military action that's killing innocents and that has to stop.
111:24>> And if we look at it here that's not the one I wanted. If we look at if we look at this here and what was actually said.
111:37So Carlton uh Reggie B says LMAO Steven A. Smith melts down when Tucker Carlson calls Ted Cruz a murderer. Carlson one of the most extreme human beings I've ever seen I've ever met was Lindsey Graham. The second most extreme is Ted Cruz. These are people who have called murdering innocence called murdering innocent aes called forth. That that guy has blood on his hands. He is a murderer. Now, here's what's interesting about that comment. He's saying he's met him. He's saying he's interviewed him.
112:08He's saying he's talked to him. And Stephven Smith a Smith says, "You are calling Senator Cruz a murderer." Well, wait a minute. This is the man who's met Senator Cruz, who's met Lindsey Graham, who's had conversations with them, who's talked to them. And I'm not saying that Steven A. Smith has or hasn't, but there's no indication here that he has any kind of a relationship with him. So, you're going to tell someone who's interviewed these people over and over, who's talked to him, who not not who who who knows these people, you can't speak on them, but I can. I'm offended by what you said even though what you're
112:44demonstrating to me demonstrates that you know them and you've talked to them and you've heard things that pretty much horrify you right out of their mouths.
112:52>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I know that it was uh uh I was sort of surprised actually by Smith's uh reaction to that. Um and you know Tucker Tucker's careful in his use of language. he wasn't just using that uh as a way to get you know clickbait a way to attract attention. Uh and you know he he tries to force people to accept the logic of what they're saying you know and you know when you're when you're basically agreeing that all Palestinians are terrorists and that therefore killing doesn't matter whether you kill a child a woman a man an elderly person they're all terrorists and it doesn't matter whether they're
113:35Muslim or Christian they're all terrorists then you know you've removed you've removed any kind of standard of international law from the conversation.
113:44>> Well, if you look at this particular exchange right here, Smith that excuse me, Carlton says it's true Ted Cruz is calling for the killing of innocents and funding it. Right. Okay. So, that's his position. And Smith and Smith doesn't say, "No, it's not true." He doesn't say, "I challenge that. Um, can you prove that?" I don't think Ted Smith, Ted Cruz would say such a thing. He doesn't um he doesn't attack the veracity. Where did you hear that? He doesn't attack the providence of it. He pretty much seems to accept a priority that yes, what you're saying is true that that's is what that's what he said.
114:23Here's what he says. That's a very ugly thing to say.
114:28Mhm.
114:28>> So if I go out and I don't know, you know, I commit a terrorist act and blow up a stadium, kill people, do terrible things, beat up some 87y old heart patient in a in a in a wheelchair, and someone says, "Boy, that thing was terrible. That Garland, he's beating up old people." What an ugly thing to say about Garland. We will not address the um actions that he's calling for, the things that he's doing. You ignore all of those. It's like I look at it and you're like, you're a defender not just of Ted Cruz, but of this whole kind of mentality that we're seeing that causes what we see that causes these wars in Iran and these
115:12wars in Ukraine and these where you're defending the mentality that says we can just go out and bomb and kill people and start wars. And if you if someone calls me out for participating in these things, you attack the person that's calling me out.
115:26>> Right. Right. Yeah.
115:29>> Yeah. No, it's uh um there but but I you know I can take it. uh while they are while Lindsey Graham and the Ted Cruz's uh that they they provided the funding um we still seen that you got the problem of a lawless administration.
115:50Now the the House of Representatives voted yesterday against continuing the war against Iran uh by 218 to 214.
116:00You think Donald Trump is going to pay attention to that? Not at all.
116:04and the only response for Congress at that point is to impeach.
116:10But uh Congress won't do that. So this is a case where the where Trump is just basically saying I I can do whatever I want and you can't stop me. And that appears to be the case right now which is dangerous.
116:24>> Well, you know, the media has been called the [clears throat] fourth estate, right? And there was always an implication that you know there were the three branches of government which gave us checks and balances and that the media was somehow part of that that it wasn't a critical institution in ensuring you know democracy. Right now I think what we're seeing with Stephen A.
116:44Smith is the breakdown of the traditional institutes or institutions.
116:49Now he's instead of um questioning instead of um uh uh um evaluating the Congress for members of Congress and those polic policies, he's defending them, right? But as you said, the the the checks and balances system that give you a constitutional republic, a democracy, whatever you want to call it, when Donald Trump says, "Okay, I'm going to stop the war for a while." And under the War Powers Act, um that puts everything on hold and then, "Okay, I'm going to start the war again." So, the clock starts all over again. And Congress doesn't say time out. That's the courts have not decided that. You
117:27just made that up. Because Donald Trump said, "Okay, I have to advise Congress under the War Powers Act within 60 days of what's going on with this war, get money, approval, all of those things."
117:38He puts the war on hold and then says, "Yeah, that nothing that that does we got we he started off by saying we have a break in time in the in in the war. So that kind of stops the War Powers Act for a while and starts it later." Now he's saying it completely stopped and we're starting the clock all over again.
117:56And so my point being, the fact that you don't have a media that's going to call them out and say, "Hey, hey, hey, you can't do that." And bring on constitutional specialists and legal specialists [cough] to demonstrate why that's not legal. And the fact that you don't have Congress saying, "No, you're not going to do that. [clears throat] This is our job. You're not taking our job from us. We have constitutional oversight duties." the fact that these other institutions aren't tuh acting in the manner that they're required to act >> right >> shows the a breakdown. So it's yes it is Donald Trump right but Donald Trump can
118:30do something but you've got other branches of government and also the media that are supposed to hold him to account and they're doing nothing.
118:37>> Yeah. No, we're we're we're reaping we basically have an executive that's out of control and his decisions are going to make uh lead to very severe both economic, military, political consequences for the United States and it's not not going to turn out well and then there will be a lot of regret. But you know, we just we did we did not enforce the laws and did not hold him to account. It'll only be after the fact.
119:07You know, I think the it was it was very um uh a relative salient the the um Blink and Sullivan New Yorker uh business about now, you know, finding out that Blinken and and Sullivan and these people are now saying, you know, perhaps in hindsight I should have did something different. Oh, maybe because these people take these acts. And I think what we'll see once our economy is in the trash >> and people are saying, "Oh my gosh, I can't afford lettuce." Even though it will may even though it it may it may give me explosive diarrhea, you know, I I like at least the option of eating a little bit of lettuce on my sandwich,
119:44but I can't afford a sandwich or lettuce to put on it. When we get to that point, I think we're going to see, you know, the weeping and nashing of teeth and constrnation, people saying, you know, perhaps I should have done something different, including the media. Your thoughts? Well, I I had a I had a note yesterday from one of my readers. Um he was he was buying he's he's got a friend who's a shrimp farmer, shrimp uh shrimper like Forest Gump. And uh uh he was he paid last week 425 a pound for the shrimp. Uh yesterday his buddy came back and said, "Sorry, man." And this was on the friends and family program.
120:22He said, "I got to charge you 625 because the price of diesel has gone up." Uh so right right there on something as simple as price of shrimp, prices are going up and and these so this is now where the consequences of these decisions that uh starting a war with Iran, shutting down the straight of Hormuz is now starting to be translated in something as simple as raising the price of shrimp two bucks a pound.
120:50>> Wow. Let me ask you this because you've been you have been um following this this you know kind of this situation with with with oil and what do you where where do you think we are right now and how far out do you think we'll be before we start seeing some really a really bad situation regarding particularly as we said diesel fuel which is what makes this entire economy run everything from catching the shrimp to distributing the shrimp and running the tractor factors that garden etc.
121:22>> Yeah. So like even though they're saying that the price price of a barrel of oil now yesterday uh the the sweet oil got up to like $101 a barrel but if you're going to buy a barrel of kerosene uh and this was reported um I forget who was giving I think it was Chris Martinson uh the price of kerosene uh in in the Netherlands was $148 a barrel.
121:53So what we're seeing already is the shortage of aviation fuel, the shortage of diesel and as a result as people are com commute competing for those what limited supplies the price of it's going up. There was uh there was a whole supply of diesel that was headed two days ago for Europe and the the ship owner got a got an offer from Asia that exceeded what the Europeans are willing to pay and man they turned that ship right around headed to Asia. So now Europe you know the Europeans are going to be without that o that uh diesel uh fuel that they thought they were going to get. Nope. Going to Asia. So this is
122:33it's already started. We we have a global shortage of diesel and aviation fuel and the competition for it is means the prices of those fuels are going to go up which means cost of airline tickets up to cost of uh food at grocery stores been hauled by diesel trucks that's going to go up.
122:51>> Wow. Yeah. You know, and the uh what's happening with the attacks on the Russians? The Russians are now saying that they're not going to be exporting any any fuel. They're not going to be exporting diesel fuel. And uh most Americans don't know this. During the Biden administration for all of their anti-Russian rhetoric, they were buying a lot of diesel fuel from Russia. And now that's going to come to a screeching halt. It looks like we're heading for a very bad time. Larry.
123:15>> Yes, sir.
123:16>> Larry Johnson is a is a is a former CIA analyst and a great friend of the show and he's certainly brilliant man. And he car he u has a has a a very interesting website. It's open source intelligence.
123:29I consider it open source intelligence.
123:31Some people just like to read it because it's good stuff. But it's sonar21.com, which by the way stands for Son of a New American Revolution. He's got a great event coming up on August 1st and 2nd. I believe it's Chattanooga, Tennessee.
123:43>> Chattanooga, Tennessee. Robert Barnes is hosting it.
123:46>> All right. Great Lar. And you can go to Sonar 21 to get more information about that. And Alexander Mccur and all kinds of cool people chase you. It's going to Sounds like a great event, Larry. All right. Thanks a lot, everyone. Um, we got another hour ahead of us and we're going to we've got Oh boy, the tin I've got, you know, I wear my tinfoil hat all the time. So, for those of you who also have it on or we're accused of being the crazy conspiracy theorists and stuff like that, these things ain't conspiracies. They're real and I think you're going to enjoy them. We'll be right back.
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