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8:31Hey. [music] [music] Hello, this is Russell Dobler filling in for Jimmy Door on vacation on the road going going to see everything going all the places. Uh we have some amazing guests tonight. We're going to have some excellent conversations with Professor Zenis and then with Nick Cruz and then we're going to get into what's going on with flock cameras a little bit. Maha betrayed again and the Tyler Robinson case. So, first up, Anthony Zenis is a licensed clinical social worker and adjunct lecturer at Columbia University School of Social Work with nearly 30 years of experience with youth and family services. He is a recognized

10:10expert on trauma, family violence, and the impacts of income inequality and racism on the brains and behavior of children, having delivered a notable TEDex talk on the subject in 2016.

10:24Beyond his academic and clinical work, Zenis is an activist who has been involved in Occupy Wall Street, the climate reality project, and the fight for 15. Uh, please welcome Professor Anthony Zankis. How are you, Prof.

10:40>> Russell? I'm good. You know, fight for 15. That was uh Oh, I have to open this top button. It looks silly. That [laughter] was that that was a dozen years ago, >> you know.

10:52>> Yeah.

10:53>> 15 15 won't even, you know, to keep a couple of trips on the subway these days. So, yeah.

10:58>> Well, so so what do you think it should be now?

11:02the living wage, federal minimum wage at least what people should be fighting for is minimum of 25 an hour federally and states like New York would have to have it higher as states always do like many states are just above it. But I won't vote for any candidate and I don't think we should promote any candidate and it should be a red line in the sand who doesn't push for an immediate living wage of at least $25 an hour because you can't live on it. I mean, even as a single person, let alone if you have kids, forget it.

11:33>> Okay. Now, what what about people who say that's going to destroy business and people won't be able to stay in business. They're going to go bankrupt if you make them pay that.

11:43>> People at the bottom won't be able to get jobs. These jobs are for high school kids. What do you say to those things?

11:50>> Well, you Well, first of all, uh there there are families being supported by their high school kids, so there's that, you know. Um but the reality well first of all if you can't pay your workers your business model is is not good.

12:05>> Um but the like we are giving money >> hand overfist to Ukraine to Israel to everybody we want to defense contract we could supplement small businesses give them tax credits or anything like that where they could hire people. I mean it's it just takes the will and the decision. But if people are telling us like and I know you know a lot of the audience agrees with this but if our economy is based on paying people a sub living wage right >> then that's a economy like that's not an economy >> right right that's a system that just doesn't work.

12:44>> Yeah. I can't believe you would suggest that, Russell. [laughter] >> Why are you doing that to me, man? Now there's going to be that there's going to be 50 nerds clipping that saying Russ Dobular against $25 wage.

12:59>> It's my fault. I Anyway, >> uh, okay. Last time I talked to you was during the crazy days at Colombia. That was around the time that was when I still went to LA to guest host for Jimmy.

13:14>> Wow.

13:15>> I was I was actually flying into New York as the police raided Hamilton Hall and watching it happen on CNN.

13:25>> Holy.

13:26>> On on the screen on the plane >> and we call him Hall. So >> what's that?

13:31>> Hins. That's right. It's been renamed and I still refer to it as that only that >> but that was insane. I mean, the amount of police that were there, if you could see what they had on 116th Street, like where the protests all were, but they were >> Right. Right.

13:49>> Hundreds.

13:50>> Right. Right.

13:51>> Had cops. I've never seen anything like it. It was insane.

13:55>> Right. They were all up uh that's Amsterdam Avenue there, right?

13:58>> Yeah.

13:59>> Yeah. They were all lined up. I saw I saw it on CNN as I'm flying into JFK. Um so about a year ago um it's about a year ago now they uh came to an agreement here Colombia University to pay $200 million in settlement with the Trump administration.

14:21Let's read a little bit of this. The White House's decision led Colombia to enact campus rule changes. This is uh the decision being the White House withheld 400 million in federal funding.

14:36So Colombia is supposed to pay this over three years now. This $200 million for supposedly not protecting their Jewish students. Uh, so they've enacted campus rule changes demanded by the administration, including the reorganization of its Middle Eastern Studies Department and hiring a team of special officers empowered to remove students from campus and make arrests.

15:02The agreement codifies many changes the college has already announced and includes that a jointly selected independent monitor will be appointed to assess implementation of the agreement.

15:16Some of those adjustments include disciplining students who were part of the encampment on the university's campus as part of the Gaza protests, requiring protesters to show campus ID, not allowing face masks during demonstrations, providing greater oversight of student groups, and an expansion of officers on campus. Now, I just walked by there a couple of days ago.

15:44>> It's very depressing.

15:46>> Uh it's just been crushed. It's just completely silent over there. And if you went over there, I did I shot some uh on the ground coverage during the height of the protest. It seems like they've just really rung the life out of it. Um and then to top it all off, just this January, you got yourself a new president. This is from Columbia University. Aparttheid divest Columbia just announced Jennifer Manukin as its new president. As chancellor of the University of Wisconsin Madison, she called riot police to beat up and arrest students for their Gaza solidarity encampment. She'll fit in perfectly with

16:28the rest of the school's fascist administration. So, hey, you're on the inside over there. What's it like?

16:35What's it like after all?

16:37>> Am I on the inside? So, just in >> Well, you're able to get past the gates.

16:43>> I am able to get past the gates. Um, >> they're not letting me in. [sighs] >> No. No. And that's uh it's they should though. [laughter] >> Well, they won't.

16:57>> I Let's rewind a little bit. When the student encampment started in April is April 17th.

17:14>> Um, I got I got a freeze. Are you guys seeing that?

17:18>> Oh, sorry about that. And I tried to put myself see what's happening right now.

17:24>> You can hear that?

17:26>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

17:27>> Yeah. So, York, >> now you're better. [laughter] >> No, I'm saying you can hear that horn.

17:34Welcome to New York, everybody.

17:35>> Oh, yeah. Well, >> and apologies to the audience about that. That could go on for another minute. This Oh, good. Um, >> you got lucky.

17:45>> I I would say every three days their car goes off. I have no idea what's going on. They've now had that car for four years. So, um, going back to April of 2024, what the students were looking to do was the encampment, a non-violent protest, which was legal according to student to the school's rules. They were camping on a part of the quad known as a free speech zone. It's literally dedicated to that. Right? Here's the thing. That was done in the model of the South African divestment movement from the 1980s, which worked. that started on campuses like Colombia, spread like wildfire all over the country.

18:27>> After like dozens of schools divested from companies doing business and profiting from business in South Africa because of their aparthide regime, all of a sudden you saw municipalities like Chicago and New York and San Francisco start to divest their pension funds. When that happened, the domino started to fall.

18:48Within a couple of years, South African aparttheid regime dissolved itself because it could not exist.

18:55>> That example, what the students followed was what not only the trustees of the university, but what the pro-Israel lobby and most politicians in both parties were terrified of. They needed to crush that movement, >> right? And you know, they physically crushed the movement.

19:23So, absolutely, the campus is different.

19:25You don't see protests like that. I've had students say to me, "I thought we weren't allowed to talk about Gaza in class. I thought that wasn't allowed."

19:33You know, in my, you know, I I don't teach geopolitics. I teach social, >> right? But um you know anybody can bring anything they they want up in class if if if it's relevant to the discussion.

19:46And of course like you know I'm teaching social work so you know the there's article upon article been written about the children of Gaza prior to the genocide being the most traumatized children in the world. So it's absolutely relevant to social work >> but absolutely the atmosphere is different there. They want to make sure that um that nothing percolates up like this again. But here's the thing, that reaction was so over the top. They suspended students. They expelled students. Students were if you live in onampus housing or off-campus housing, too. What ends up happening is if you get expelled or suspended, you lose your

20:30housing. There were students that were made homeless. In that night, I was in group chats with faculty trying to house students who were homeless. They didn't know. They went back to their their dorm room and all their belongings were in the hallway. So, this was happening left and right.

20:48You can do all that, but you can't you can't kill an idea, >> right?

20:56>> So, I think that response being so over the top. I just spoke with a with a former student who from the school of social work who was one of the initial people involved in the encampment. Um and Daria Aila Shavalier was just and again we'll I'm sure we'll get into the electoral >> we are I have her up next. Yeah.

21:23>> Okay. She was one of the students at that encampment.

21:28>> Right. Okay. So, I and I and I truly believe this. This is the thing that allows me to get up every morning. Um, and that is that their over-the-top response. They're they're being terrified by these protests. And they should have been because these protests were working. They c they went global within a week.

21:49>> Right.

21:50>> Right.

21:50>> The encampment thing just like Occupy did. Right. And they crushed that too.

21:56um they they can't kill it. And I you know it's it's it's kind of like two people playing chess and the one side knows they're losing in like six moves, >> right?

22:09>> But they keep playing anyway, >> right?

22:12>> I think that's what's on the other side.

22:14I do believe devestment will happen. Uh, I was the student I just spoke to, we were just talking about it and and she said, um, it'll happen, but Colombia won't be the first. It'll be one of the one of the later universities to do it, but it's going to happen because people are just repulsed by what's been going on. So, you know, did we lose this battle? I mean, kind of. But just doing the thing got the idea out there. They think they won. But [clears throat] >> how does how does the faculty feel? Like how does how did the faculty feel about the the university deciding to cave to Trump? Because you got a couple of

22:57things going on here. I think you know in general I would imagine among the majority of academics Trump is absolutely despised and I would think that academics in general are protective of their prerogatives.

23:14For those that don't, I'm sorry.

23:16>> I I would imagine most academics are protective of their prerogatives. So, between those two things, I would think for most of the faculty at Colombia, that was not a popular decision.

23:29>> Well, I don't know most of the faculty at Columbia. I can only know the ones that were in my circle, but I can tell you there are faculty that are okay with it because there are faculty that support what the United States and Israel are doing, >> right? But the ones that I are my colleagues, the people I've spoken with, I mean, we're disturbed at it. But like the the federal government will hold these contracts over the head of the university, >> right?

23:58>> And they'll say we'll withdraw the contracts. And side note, if anyone in the off a audience doesn't know this, >> the federal government's not just giving money to the universities. They have like medical research contracts, like cancer research.

24:12>> You pull stuff like that, that hurts everybody.

24:15>> But I mean, Trump doesn't care. He just wants the optics of being tough on the protesters. So, you know, the puppeteer Marian Wright Aden, what's her no aden who was actually [laughter] and she was in the Clinton administration. No, Miriam Mel said like and all the other donors. Remember when Trump ran the first time, he didn't have a ton of corporate donors. He used a lot of his own money. People were like, "Who's this new guy?" Whoa. You know, um he had a lot of corporate people behind him this time. And it was the pro-Israel, pro- genocide, pro-war defense contractor lobby. Do you hear this? Anyway,

24:58>> I mean I I live here, so I'm not particularly put on >> what ends up >> what ends up happen. Yeah, but you are Look at that room. I You have to invite me over. That's very cool. I would like to hang out there, especially with the robot >> any anytime. The robot I have to I have to get 2.4 gigahertz to control it.

25:17>> For the love of >> No, it actually it actually interacts and speaks, but I I don't have the right bandwidth.

25:22>> You know, there are real friends that will talk to you, too, Russell. So, >> this came from China, though.

25:30>> Will real friends spy on me from China?

25:34>> I love it. There's something that I did not know, but I recently found out being on the inside. Okay, here's >> You're froze.

25:51>> Yeah.

25:52>> All right. You're You're unfrozen. Say it again. uh pretty soon into yeah I can see when it happens so I'll I'll pause pretty soon into the negotiations with the university >> which were being mediated by Mahmood Khalil for those that don't know that's why the administration hated him and who is like one of the nicest most reasonable non-hateful people you could know right like this guy is not >> like vitriolic or anything and during those negotiations the Palestinian students, a decision was made that they should those that were Palestinian or a family in Palestine should be centered at the

26:35front of those negotiations and I thought that was correct and the I found out that the administration offered full ride scholarships to them.

26:50I don't have independent verification.

26:52And I have somebody who was in the encampment tell me this.

26:55>> Mhm.

26:55>> They were offered full ride scholarships at Colombia to stop. They were offered free tuition and the ability to attend Colombia's campus which they were setting up in Tel Aviv at the Tel Aviv Global Center. First of all, not understanding the trustees, the administration that offered this, those students wouldn't have been allowed there, >> right? they're not allowed there. So, this the school did not understand this issue at all, nor did it want to. I guess scholarships for students then they were going to offer full rides for scholarships for students from the West Bank and Gaza.

27:36So I mean and the students rejected this because their their point was you are investing in companies which are bombing our families and then you want to bring those people here to attend Colombia.

27:52This does not make sense and they refused it. Uh, and there are people on the board of trustees at Colombia who are executives at defense corporations who are making a ton of cash, >> right, >> off the genocide, >> right?

28:07>> The war now in Iran and Lebanon.

28:09>> So, I mean, this was really, >> it was pretty disgusting.

28:15>> Yeah.

28:16>> All right. So, you mentioned Dariela.

28:18So, this is an article from 2024 right after uh they raided Hindall as you're calling it.

28:27>> Yeah.

28:27>> Uh why are police in riot gear? So, funny enough, she was interviewed for this article at that time. Dariela via Yaos Shaveier, an Afro Latina alumni of Columbia University's class of 2016 and former member of Students for Justice in Palestine, managed to stay on campus during the lockdown. She was among the women blocking the entrance to Hindal.

28:56They sang we shall not be moved amid the clanging of metal as police threw furniture. She tells Time police pushed her and others to the floor.

29:06>> Uh, I felt totally helpless at that point. It was quite horrific. She says there was nothing calm or organized about the situation. Aia Shaveier says she has bruises on her legs and arms.

29:20Once arrested, students arrived on the bus. Once arrested students arrived on the bus, they sang all the way to the police station to calm themselves down, she says. All right. So now you've got the remarkable situation that she is almost certain to be the congresswoman representing Columbia University. Do you think that's going to make any difference? And do you do you feel that this represents a meaningful change in the Democratic party? Because a lot of people are very suspicious of that and see it as the graveyard for these kinds of movements. Right. Once she's in, they appropriate her. They threaten her with

30:02pictures of her family. Whatever they do once they get you there, you know, who knows? Who knows what Pelosi whispered to AOC on that Iron Dome vote? She was never the same after that. Who knows?

30:14So, what do what do you think? What do what do you think about all that?

30:18>> I think those are two different I mean, two different questions as far as what it means about the Democratic party. But first with Dar Eliza winning, I I can't help but have shot in Freud about that. Like >> I am happy that a student who was physically abused by the NYPD, which was unnecessarily invited on campus by an administration that did not want to negotiate in good faith with these students who were nonviolent, right? Um and protests have happened at schools like Columbia forever. This is nothing new. Um that a student and if I remember correctly her role, she was one of the students standing outside of Hins Hall

31:03kind of as a human blockade to prevent the cops from going up. And by the way, I I'm not saying you know what she engaged in, but this is one of the things that I had heard. There are a number of those students that literally one of the students was thrown down concrete steps. So the NYPD didn't come in to play. They were they were violent.

31:24I'm sure the orders from above were like, "Do what you need to do. Bust some heads. Make this happen."

31:30>> Um the fact that she is now in Congress representing that district is a sweet thing. Uh and and is it possible that we can enjoy that moment just for a little bit? Because and I think what this does is it illustrates that whole idea that I said earlier which is they cannot kill this idea and I am sure there are people on the board of trustees or wherever in the administration of Colombia that are extremely unpleased about that outcome I don't know I'm not speaking for anyone what does it mean in the broader sense okay so let's get the the you know the elephant out of the room people are afraid she's going to be

32:16another AOC right and here's the AOC wasn't an activist before. AOC, in my opinion, cosplayed a leftist, right? She didn't She wasn't putting her body on the line, getting arrested, doing stuff like this, and then decided to go into government.

32:36That is not her story arc at all.

32:40This was somebody who did not have any idea about going on on to become a representative but was radicalized by what happened to her and her fellow students during a genocide and decided I need I need to speak up. I need to do something different things. So listen, I've been wrong before. I don't believe though that somebody of that caliber is going to be co-opted. I just heard Claire Valdez in an interview. I forget who with. She was one of the other congressman that's uh >> Yeah. Yeah. in Brooklyn, >> right? Um and she was unequivocal in the past couple of days like, "No, no, no, no. We're not reforming ICE. We have to

33:28abolish ICE. There needs to be a full arms embargo on Israel." And then when asked about it was Daria Lisa and Claire I believe who said this would they vote for Jeff they said well we have to have a conversation with him but we're not voting for anybody that takes corporate money which like this is not what AOC did. I know why people feel burned by her because she's a fraud. AOC, >> right?

33:57>> These folks here, Claire Valdez was arrested at least twice. Once outside protesting Israel's genocide of Palestine, once out.

34:10>> You froze.

34:16>> All right, come on back.

34:20>> The >> There you go.

34:22>> Yeah. the folks that took over Hamilton Hall and and and renamed it Hins Hall. I think this is a different ilk of people.

34:30What does it mean for the Democrat party?

34:33>> All right, hang on. Hang on. Let me share something that you just shared out before we move into that. So, you retweeted this. This is originally from Jacabin.

34:44Mayor Zoran Mandani just announced a $2.1 million settlement against Walgreens and three other companies for violating worker protection laws. The four companies will pay restitution to more than600 workers. This brings the total restitution paid to NYC workers under Mam Donniey's watch to 10.1 million. Now, there has been, I got to say, on the left, broadly termed, a lot of consternation and debate about this, particularly on the again, broadly termed radical left or postdemocratic party left. There's been really a lot of confusion about how to react to Mandani.

35:31You have this right after a rent freeze, right after the PETA tear tax got passed. And yet a lot of people will point out he kept on Jessica Tish.

35:43>> Um his rhetoric around Venezuela and Cuba has been uh very very mealymouthed to say the least. Um his budget is kind of a magic trick. He kind of balanced the budget by deferring pension payments. A lot of people feel his housing plan incorporates private developers to uh such an extent that you're not going to really be able to get away from this vicious circle of rising rent. So all that said, what have you thought about his tenure? And going back to the original question, do do you think it's worth supporting certain Democratic candidates in certain places or are you or is it the George Carlin

36:29thing? Don't vote for them. You're you're only going to encourage them.

36:34>> We miss George. Um, I think I think Zoran mom Donnie will be a good mayor for New York City and and I'm I'm qualifying that and narrowing that as what I'm saying. I think he'll be potentially a very good mayor. What I've seen in the first 6 months has been better than I expected because I didn't expect these things to happen so quickly, including the rent freeze. I thought that would be like maybe the end of year one. This is all good. I have friends that live in rent stabilized apartments who can now stay here. What it isn't, I mean, their rents are still too high, >> right?

37:15>> So, it's already tough for them to be here, but to know like, oh, maybe we can hang out another two years. They've got kids.

37:23>> So, I think he's going to do great things. They're going to do uh the city-owned grocery store in Hunts Point, the Bronx that's open in 27. All of these things are good. Um, and he will be a good mayor for New York. If he was running for Congress or the Senate, right, the House or the Senate, and he was saying things like he said about Venezuela or Cuba, I would be talking about it, >> you know, pretty regularly because I disagree with it. And, you know, I actually think he's in a position where first of all, I don't believe I don't believe he believes what he said. I think he felt he had to sue those things

38:03and I'm not making an excuse. And my response, if anybody on his team is listening, he's got leverage now. He does not have to do that, right? And I think what the people on the left want, regardless of the party, is a champion who's just going to be like, "Screw it. I'm saying anything I want." which is why I like what I'm hearing from Daria Shioalier and from Claire Valdez, which is unapologetic, right? And that's what people need ultimately. Does that mean the Democratic Party is saved? No. I think it's doomed. But being a New Yorker, obviously I'm happy that we have someone who is centering the working class in

38:52their policy. And these are real policies that are going to make just the fact they just passed this thing um lower fairs on buses and subways for people of lower income. That fantastic.

39:06>> However, it should all be free. And by the way, yeah, we can afford it ultimately. You know, Markx talked about this.

39:17He said on the journey to full communism, there will be what he called lower socialism, depending on the translation. And that was that you would still be in a market economy with a whole bunch of remnants of capitalism, but it would be more worker centered.

39:32And that that was one of the steps. So, I would encourage people to think of the longer game here. This doesn't solve the problems. This >> you froze.

39:47>> Andrew is gonna have quite an editing job. Okay, [laughter] start again. This doesn't solve the problems. Go ahead.

39:54>> It doesn't solve the problems u of the Democratic party. However, I believe the election of these folks uh is a good thing. And one of the things that I think is important is that not everybody's where say you and I are. We're probably not in the same place, but we're pretty similar.

40:13Okay, >> I'd say so.

40:21This is Spectrum messing with us, man.

40:25>> I was active in the Democratic party for a while. It took me a while in my life to get where I am. Not everybody is where I am or you are >> and one of the things that's going to bring them there is the stuff that happened to us believing in it and then being disappointed.

40:42>> Right.

40:43>> And I believe just creating that discrepancy where people are like, "Hey, I thought we were going to uh have an arms embargo. What's going on?" and seeing it fail will radicalize more people. It's going to take time. So, I think there's a lot of value to these candidacies and I'm also interested to see what Daria and Claire Valdez do when they get to Congress because I I just don't see them as an AOC at all. That's just my take.

41:14>> Okay. So I one of the reasons I wanted to have you and then Nick on is you you both have really interesting perspectives on the political moment. Um so okay so the Democratic party is not a solution. I think you believe as I do, and tell me if I'm wrong, that if you got a guy who brands himself a socialist doing things like rent freeze and people like it, that's a good thing if you want something more radical. You want a guy like that to ease people into having a conversation about going further.

41:56But I think a lot of people feel rightly by the time you have enough reform with that kind of incremental approach, uh, we're going to have collapsed into fascism before you ever get there. Like what what do you recommend for people to do to move the ball forward at a moment like this? I mean, I don't have the answers. I don't think anyone does, but what do you think? What are your thoughts? I think any any revolutionary look at what needs to happen to transform this society in the United States and then globally has to be a multi-pronged approach. Right? So these are this involves things like street

42:36protest, boycots, strikes, nonviolent dis civil disobedience, but that's also um direct action, right? Not just performative and electoralism.

42:52And I think I do not believe electoralism will save us, >> but I don't want to miss the opportunity to look at its usefulness. One of the things that matters is right now 77% of Democrats have an unfavorable few view of Israel.

43:09>> And there are candidates running who are leading in polls or tied in polls who are saying, "We need an arms embargo. I don't take Apac funds." You did not see that even two or three years ago. And there is value to it. I believe also that whole creating discrepancy thing is that when people start to see that government can deliver, it could get them to the point of becoming involved and then eventually radicalized when they say next time the Democrats come up and say, "I'm sorry, we can't extend the child tax credit."

43:43There's going to be a whole bunch of people who weren't paying attention before who were going to say, "Yes, you can."

43:49>> Right? No, you don't have to give tens of billions of dollars to Israel, Ukraine, NATO, whatever. So, I think there's value to it.

43:58>> The danger is, and I and I've heard Nick talk about this, I'm not speaking for him, but yeah, the whole idea when he was on Savvy show was last night about the pressure valve. The danger is to allow electoralism to lead.

44:11>> It can't lead, >> right?

44:14>> Not the solve. It can't be to solve, but I believe it's part of a broader program.

44:21>> Um, and you you see my thing here of generals. This is from Occupy, right?

44:26>> Wow.

44:27>> Around my house.

44:28>> So, that was Mayday after Occupy from the fall of 2011 when it started.

44:33>> And um, you know, I hear people talking about general strikes. That would be great. But the bottom line is those things start organically >> and then they catch on. And I I believe if you pull the lens back, we're in a good place because more people are paying attention and more people are radicalized than ever before. So we need to utilize the moment in education, I believe, is a really big thing through mutual aid. And that's stuff revolutionary blackout network does all, >> right?

45:06>> Mutual aid. And I think that's a vital part of it. You can't not do it.

45:11>> All right. So, I'm going to end uh on maybe a downer. Maybe a downer. Here, here's the here's the uh Democratic Party counterpoint. And this is from your own feed. You shared this out.

45:26>> So, so the Dems have revealed uh their big idea now. Project 2029. We haven't seen all of it. They've just released the first couple points here. It's from Nicholas Woo. First major policy proposal, an online child safety plan, narrowing section 230, banning social media for kids under 16, promoting phone-free childhoods, and more. Already backed by Corey Booker, Mickey Cheryl, Randy Weine, and Jonathan Hate. Let's uh let's look a little bit at uh they released a second point. There's a little bit from Newsweek on this. Um the full agenda will be released next year.

46:09Uh but its first policy idea is kids over clicks citing growing feelings of loneliness and alienation among young people and the addictive pattern of social use by the time they finish middle school. The group suggested the introduction of new restrictions on social media for children under 16 and belltobell cell phone bans in school.

46:32Most notably, the group goes after tech companies, calling for lawmakers to narrow protections under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act that shield platforms from some liability. It wants to make clear that companies are not protected from lawsuits stemming from AI generated content, paid ads, illegal content, or activity. In other words, loophole you could drive a censorship truck through. New rule should be created to regulate the use of AI chat bots in general, the group argues, clarifying and reinforcing users privacy protections. On Monday, the group released a second policy concerning a proposed crackdown on the

47:17annoyance economy or the elimination of what Americans pay in time, fees, and irritation every day while engaging with health insurance companies, airlines, and other businesses.

47:30Um, okay. So, you responded to this overall uh proposal.

47:37Medicare for all? No. A living wage of at least $25. A federal housing guarantee. Abolishing ICE. Nope. It's digital ID for the internet. Hooray. Cue the supportive near attendant tweet in three, two, one. Now this kind of small bore school uniforms politics for the Democrats. It was really pioneered by Bill Clinton who was lauded as a as a political genius for inventing what was thought of as this postcold war postpartisan politics that would focus on these kinds of uh you know small managerial technocratic management kind of issues. Um, and it's all the Democrats continue to offer even after these primary victories should be

48:32terrifying them. Uh, but these are the people who still run the party. So, what do you do? Like, it seems like there are so many Cy Bookers in that party. By the time you overrun them with Dario Lizas, we're going to be dead. I mean, how do you What do you think? Well, the first thing is uh Bill Clinton did all that stuff. Let's give him credit. In between flights on the Lolita Express, it's not easy to do that a lot and trips to the island. It's it's a big schedule.

49:07>> Here's the thing.

49:08>> Multitasking.

49:09>> I'm glad they're doing this because I don't remember her name. Who's that normie Dem woman? She's got blonde hair and she's got a podcast. She's kind of like >> Jennifer Welch.

49:21>> Yeah. Center Normmy Dem. She's >> everyone everyone's favorite radicalized soccer mom bomb.

49:27>> What? Exactly. And that represents something to me. They are going to look at this and they're going to laugh. This is perfect. And of course Cy Booker is an idiot. Like he's just an idiot. And and his ilk, this is what they're coming up with now. This is what I mean. Like I do believe that there will be a transformation in this country. I don't think the Democrats are going to lead it. And no, we don't have time to pepper Congress with Daria after Daria and all that. Um, apologies Dar Lea. We keep using your name as an example, [laughter] >> but it's a good name. But here's the thing.

50:08>> I think it creates that discrepancy. I think people are hungry for something.

50:12And those of us who were not jaded, right, who th that Jennifer Welsh, they're like, "Wait a second. What are you doing?"

50:22And that's good because here's the reality. We know the the Republicans have no answers for the economy, for foreign policy that are tolerable.

50:34They're having problems on their own side. Theo Vaughn and those folks, they lost Tucker Carlson. Like, this is a big deal. And on our side, >> did did they or is he just going to back JD Vance?

50:45>> I don't know. I know. I know. I know. JD Vance is a Peter Teal boy. Peter Teal, don't even look at that. Look at a photo of that man and think, does she should he have power over anybody? He's a freak. But the bottom line is, but it's their audiences, Candace's audience, Tucker's audience, and a lot a lot of people watch Jimmy from different, you know, political audiences, which is important.

51:12I think that discret you can't put the horse back in the barn after the something or other like you can't close the barn door after the horse is out. I think the real piece here the Epstein files should not be underestimated.

51:25People are are like holy crap and that and just because there hasn't been any fallout politically from it yet.

51:35We know who they are and this is what they're giving us. No cell phones under 16. First of all, there's going to be a rebellion. That ain't going to happen.

51:44If you're a parent of a kid, it's not going to work, right? You're not going to talk about ICE. They killed two people in the street.

51:53>> Right. Right.

51:54>> And so what I'm hoping is enough converted soccer moms are going to be pissed off where we don't sound like the crazies of the radicals anymore. We did a few years ago, we don't now. Uh, everything takes time and I'm not an incrementalist. That's not my argument.

52:14I'm saying people are waking up and that's good. Um, yeah, the Democratic party is because that I I was pretty shocked that they didn't lie and say they would do something like extend the child tax credit, which I do.

52:27>> This is bizarre. It's all they have. It shows that they're out [clears throat] of ideas. They're literally spiral circling the drain right now. They don't know what to do. And I think the Israel thing has put them in that place where like what do we do? Like that's who we are. We are all that. Everything that's happening guys and and West Bank and Lebanon, they're all for it. But they're they're voters aren't >> well. That's the problem that they always have facing off with uh Republicans. In the end, what their base wants, they can't do without losing their donors.

53:05>> Is awake. So hopefully that means something. But >> all right, Professor Zenis, thank you very much. I will I will invite you over, man. We'll hang out.

53:15>> Absolutely.

53:16>> We'll play We'll play with Hang on. I got to Since S since you mentioned it.

53:20>> Yes. What's the robot's name? Does it have her name?

53:23>> Uh not yet, but he's gonna co-host once I figure out how to make him work.

53:29>> Oh, I love it. Yeah, because you know what? Enough for nothing. Katon, seriously. And that it's cheaper. It's cheaper than an actual >> Hello, I'm Robot. I love you.

53:42>> I mean, perfect co-host. [laughter] >> They love meeting you today. I love it.

53:48Sorry, Katon.

53:49>> All right, so where do people find you?

53:51One of the best accounts around, I must say. I pick up a lot of news stories from you. Uh ah froze again.

53:59>> You have to work. Please wait a moment.

54:01All right, quiet robot.

54:05Come back.

54:07Come back.

54:09Is it the robot that did it?

54:14H.

54:18There we go. You're back. All right. So, where can people find you?

54:22>> Oh, you were saying something about one of the best accounts.

54:25>> Yeah, you have one of the best accounts.

54:27I pick up a lot I pick up a lot of news stories from your account. Thank you.

54:31I'm glad to hear it. And I feed them to some people you wouldn't expect to pay attention to my accounts, too. And I'm happy to be able to do that. Yeah, I'm Anthony Zenis on Twitter. Um, don't believe everything I say. And, uh, I've got a thick skin, so you can call me names. It's okay. I'm all right with it.

54:48>> Okay. [laughter] Thanks a lot, Professor Zenis. Good seeing you again.

54:52>> You, too.

54:54>> All right. That was Professor Anthony Zenis. Uh, let's go to a card. will reset and we'll be back with Nick Cruz.

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56:46[music] All right, this is Russell Dobular filling in for Jimmy Door who is out on the road enjoying life. Uh Nick Cruz will be up next. He's a citizen journalist, geopolitical analyst, co-founder of the Revolutionary Blackout Network, a socialist media outlet centered on black workingclass perspectives. He advocates for anti-imperialism, universal healthcare, and revolutionary solidarity, offering a pointed critique of mainstream politics and corporate media while promoting grassroots activism as a tool for achieving systemic change. Welcome Nick Cruz to the show. Yo, man, I haven't a long time.

57:34>> Yeah, man. It's good to be talking to you again. What's popping my friends?

57:38Good to be back on JD. Good to see my friend Russell. You guys are killing the game. It's great to talk to you guys.

57:44>> Well, now you're killing the game, man.

57:46[laughter] I see you all over my Facebook feed.

57:49You're coming up all the time with your shorts.

57:53>> Yeah, I'll be a lot on the short uh forum content. Make sure you guys follow.

57:57>> You're good in that form. Yeah. Yeah.

57:59Follow you where?

58:01>> On hotspot. We on Instagram, Facebook, X is where my biggest platform is at. But Nicl House, I love Nikico House, man.

58:09He's a he's a brilliant mind. He's been doing this for a long time. He's running the game at at Hotspot. We have amazing journalists like David the Dan. Big shout out to my friend, proud socialist Ryan, who's also joining us as well. So, um I it takes a lot of work, but I I enjoy the work we do at Hotspot because I get to really dive into geopolitics and I feel like actually helped me improve as a commentator and as a political analysis doing all the research and all the work it takes. So, make sure you guys follow us at Hotspot.

58:37Once again, it's great to be in conversation with you again, man.

58:40>> Yeah, man. I I've wanted to talk to you since I got back from Asia, probably more than anyone in the space.

58:47>> Yeah.

58:47>> Um, all right. So, speaking of Asia, let's before we get into that, we'll get a couple of a little bit of the today's news into the can. Uh, you'll like this one. You probably saw this already. So, uh, Donald Trump today on his, uh, on his trip here a pined about communism, uh, the woman who asked the question, by the way, I had Malcolm here, uh, producer here. I said, find out who that woman is, man, because I knew something was up with her. Like, that's beyond like normal CNN anti-China propaganda.

59:21Yeah. It's her name, I think, is Irene Tao. She works for a news organization that uh they they claim to have editorial independence, but it's part of Fallon Gong. So, uh that's why you get the question framed like this. Uh all right. So, let's see.

59:39>> You've been issuing a wakeup call to Americans at home about the dangers of communism, and now you're speaking on the world stage. What's your message to people both living under communist and socialist regimes but also people living under democracies like in Europe and America who might not have realized how close communism has come to home.

60:00>> Yeah, that's a great question actually but [laughter] think I want to get the word out because what's forming is communism in the country and communism's easy to sell. I would be the greatest communist in history. I'd be right up there with Lenin. I'd be I'd [laughter] be as good as anybody. You've got free rent for the rest of your life. What they don't say is that you'll be living in squalor in 12 months. You've got the free house. Would anybody like to have a free house? We'll take it away from somebody. We'll give it to you. You'll have murders all over the place.

60:30Communism is a disaster. It's been proven to be for thousands of years under different names, but same thing.

60:37>> It's um very important. Thousands of years. Funny. One [laughter] of the reasons I do well so well with the Hispanic people, I I set a record Republicans. I get great numbers for the election. Helped me get elected in a landslide. The Hispanics because a lot of them came from countries that were essentially communist. You know, whether you call them radical socialist or communist is >> All right. So, you get the idea. All right. So, so this this is this is the main reason I went to Asia. I wanted to go to communist countries. I wanted to see because we talk about that a lot.

61:16People are very curious about it. I felt like, well, I'm lucky enough. I don't have a family. I don't have the kind of responsibilities Katon has. I can do it.

61:25I felt like one of us, if we can, should do it. So, one of the hardest things about adjusting when I came back, I wasn't used to potholes. I wasn't used to the condition of things.

61:40>> I went to China and I' I've traveled around the United States a fair amount, man. I I'm I'm honest. I I would I would tell people I did not see anything like the the crumbling roads, the crumbling bridges anywhere. And I was I was from one end of that country to the other. I I was in I was in Urumchi, man. I was in weaguer country over there. Like if any place would be underfunded, >> it would be all the way over there. Nah, man. Everything was pristine. I promise you. I promise you. Most of the people in Cleveland would be very happy to live in Urumchi compared to what they're living in.

62:23>> These are the things that America is actually number one in.

62:28Uh healthc care it is last among wealthy nations. Happiness 24th, education 26th, life expectancy 46th, free press 57th, climate 57th, social mobility 27th, income equality last in the Western world. What it's number one at is imprisoning people, gun deaths, school shootings, drug deaths, medical bankruptcy, wealth inequality among wealthy nations, maternal mortality among wealthy nations, child poverty among wealthy nations, believing it's number one. But you could see what's happening now. They got so uh they saw these DSA victories, which we'll get into, and they said, "Okay, this is what we're going to bear down into. We're

63:18going to play the Cold War classics, the fear of communism. Do you think they'll be able to sell that? Because as you've said many [clears throat] times, we've said many times, Americans are the most propagandized people on earth. You might look at it and say that can't work. What I will say is people know when they're broke and this is why these arguments are not working like they used to. So, what do you think? Can they get traction with this?

63:46they they already lost the battle of ideas, especially when you look at the polling of the new generation, how they see through the lies about uh socialism.

63:56I was nervous at first when Donald Trump was making threats about communists. And then I realized that he's actually talking about Cy Booker. Like he actually talking about Democrats, like when you talk about communists, he's talking about Hakee Jeff, >> right? [laughter] >> That's how serious they actually are.

64:12But I'm I'm glad that we we still make them nervous. They they still fear the spectre of the uh the fight and the revenge of the working class. And he has a lot of reason to be nervous because speaking of China, you know what China does to their corrupt billionaires?

64:28>> Oh yeah. Yeah.

64:29>> They killed [laughter] him.

64:30>> Yeah. Yeah.

64:32>> They they just sentenced one to death.

64:33What did he steal? 325 million. That guy.

64:36>> Yeah. So, isn't it cute how in our country we have legalized bribery? We just call it lobbying. Like we had we call uh the corruption our system. We give it official names and titles. Oh, he's a lobbyist. Like what are you talking about?

64:50>> So these these Epstein demons in the ruling class, they have every reason to fear us. We're not shy about we want to what we want to do. We want maximum authoritarianism against the Epstein class. Anyone who is responsible for uh the massive theft of the working class in the United States. anyone responsible for war crimes overseas, we want to hold them accountable the same way that China hold their ruling class accountable.

65:17Trump is scared because we need a Mau.

65:20Speaking of China, >> right, >> we need a Mau, one of the greatest men of all time. And that's and he's the foundation in which China was built upon. It's it's weird when uh what's that? A little base for us. [laughter] >> [gasps] >> Yo man, that's from China.

65:42>> So they just want to loot and they just want to plunge uh the working class back into the aid before the Soviet Union because the capitalist retaliation to the Soviet Union was to create a middle class in the United States to compete against them. But the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the worst things that happened to the global working class, especially the American working class because you notice that they were scaling back the gains that the working class achieved when they had to give the illusion that we have a strong working class. Now they just creating a peasant class.

66:16>> They creating the working poor. But go ahead, Russ. Go ahead.

66:19>> No, no, no. Just to clarify for anyone, I know what you're saying. BA basically that they felt like they had to give workers enough to keep them from turning towards the Soviet model from making it sympathetic and that once the Soviet Union fell, >> life is not coincidentally been degrading for workers ever since. That's the argument you're making, right?

66:44>> Yeah. And and that's why they panic when they see a rise in alternative economic models like we what we see in China. Um we that's what I am advocating for. We need to uh have a serious movement so we can start actually building the and having the kind of success that they're seeing in China that the capital class will never allow. And as I mentioned before, Mao was the foundation of that. Like the literacy rate before Mao in China was around 15 to 20%.

67:17In only a few years, he greatly increased the literacy rate to 75%.

67:21Greatly reduced poverty. Um, great granted healthcare and housing to his people and freed the slave. They had all these like Chinese concubines like these slaves that was used by the warlords like they have they had no civil civil rights in the era of British rule of the the era of the warlords. What Ma did is legendary and Ma Spectre still haunts the west because he united China in this era of corrupt warlords. Often these warlords was propped up by imperial powers. You have these barbaric uh torturous warlords who was backed by French imperial power, British imperial power. Mao defeated all of them and

68:02kicked them the imperial powers out of its country. And in response to that, the west uh waged complete economic war and blockade against China. Despite all of that, Mao greatly increased the life expectancy, built modern in infrastructure, and created a blueprint for what we see in China today. And before Mao in China, you guys know they had around 1,800 famines since the year 100 AD. You guys know that China averaged one famine every year before Mao and under British rule. Then Mao and the communists came in and they end the historical pattern of famines in China. A lot of people like to discuss the the the famine in

68:53the early Ma's rule which he greatly recovered from despite many uh environmental disasters, the west trying to jeopardize him, the fact that they lost millions of people due to the imperial Japan. There are a lot of factors that led to that, but he rebounded amazingly and ended the forever pattern. And that is the foundation in which China was built through this revolutionary action. And that is what Donald Trump fears. But go ahead, Russell.

69:19>> Well, there's what this is what people here don't understand. They're they're brainwashed into thinking that in China there's this restive population that hates their government. And uh I don't know, man. I I trust my instincts. I got good eyes. I I looked around. kind of asked a lot of questions in a roundabout way that people wouldn't feel like they're being confronted or cornered or anything. Yeah, that's not that's not the case. In both Vietnam and in China, Ho Chi Min and Maong are national heroes. This is what I will say. In China, the legacy of Mao is more complicated. Ho Chi Min. Even you got

70:08people in the south of Vietnam who are still mad that the North won, but they universally see Ho Chi Min as the patriot who got the Western powers out of the country.

70:20Even if they fought on the other side, they admire Ho Chi Min as a patriot.

70:25with Mao. People will say things like, "Yeah, this temple was closed during the cultural revolution under Mao, but uh now it's open again." So, it's more complicated with him. Like, yes, they do overall admire him and have a lot of admiration for him, but it's not as untarnished a legacy, I think, for the Chinese people with Mau. Um, but Don, do you want to respond to that before I go on?

70:55>> Uh, well, the uh Xi Jinping in China in the government, they still have a ton of symbolisms of Mao.

71:03>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I I'm not trying to uh pick apart what you're saying, but there are a lot of false ideas in the Chinese diaspora that Mao is a despised figure. But when you look around the world, like people in the global >> No, he's not a despised figure. I'm not saying that. I hear you.

71:21>> I'm saying to Chinese people like, "Yeah, that cultural revolution was up." I'm just telling you.

71:27>> Yeah. And and the thing about [laughter] >> the thing about Mao and uh his government and and >> like the people who lived through it do not remember that fobly from what I I gathered off people.

71:39>> Yeah. And they was clear about the mistakes that was made like these are the things that >> Right. That seems to be the general attitude that like Yeah. Then Deng Xiao Ping came in and we kind of turned to Paige and corrected some errors, but Mao set us on the path. That that is what I would say the overall attitude towards Mau.

72:01>> I hear you.

72:03>> Um, so it's pretty funny. Trump says the communism doesn't work every anywhere, but he seems to be becoming a communist.

72:13So, here he is bragging about the government musling in on taking over 10% of Intel.

72:20>> Uh, got as a gift, another gift. I said to Intel, "Give the United States of," they needed something. They needed some help. The chipmaker, I said, "Give the United States of America, I'll do it for you, but give the United States of America 10% of your company." He said, "You have a deal." He said, "It's so fast." I said, "I should have asked for more." and [laughter] he said you have a deal and that stake is now worth $80 billion.

72:50>> Okay. All right. So I What are you Can you imagine if Joe Biden went out there and talked about how he forced a company to let the government buy 10% of the company? And then this just dropped today. I think freedom fuel has arrived.

73:08This is from the White House's account.

73:10The first Freedom Fuel Network gas station has landed in Philadelphia, lowering the price at the pump to 3.47 for our 47th president. President Trump is leading the charge to lower gas prices this summer, putting more money in your pocket. This guy, this is like Mandani, man. They're going crazy about the grocery store. They're creating government gas stations. That there's a whole video with this.

73:37>> I had to go back in there and get my change. I thought gas was more expensive, but it's not. So, thanks Trump for saving me some money. We're here at the first Freedom Fuel Network gas station right here in Philadelphia, leading the charge to lower gas prices, $347.

73:54That's for our 47th [music] president, President Donald J. Trump.

73:58The price of gas here is 50 lower than the Pennsylvania average gas price.

74:03>> Fourth of July, gas prices are coming down, which is great. I am very happy about the cheap gas prices.

74:09>> Happy 4th of July.

74:10>> Hopefully everyone has a great holiday.

74:12Super pumped the gas prices are lowered.

74:15>> I'm just grateful. Right now we're in a difficult time in this world, but it's nice to see some stability that we can enjoy.

74:22>> Definitely appreciate the lower gas prices.

74:24>> When I saw it, I thought it was uh fake news, but I'm glad it's true. I definitely couldn't believe my eyes cuz I just rolled past. I'm actually taking a trip down the shore. [music] So, I wasn't even going to come and get the gag, but I'm glad I did cuz now it just saved me a lot of money. Thanks a lot, Trump. Just keep doing what you're doing. [music] Doing a good job.

74:40>> Thank you, President Trump.

74:41>> Thank you for helping our country.

74:42>> It's President Donald J. Trump leading the charge to lower gas prices right here at Freedom [music] Fuel Networks gas stations.

74:51>> I I I'm sorry, maybe I'm a little messed up. Uh, isn't that communism? Isn't that communism? the government run gas stations and the government having ownership in private corporations from the from uh I'm not going to swear this is an exact number but the last statistic I saw China still owns this is a misconception that it's all just private corporations China owns I think 55% of the private you know private corporations in China they have 55% ownership so that Is is Trump basically conceding that he can't compete with communism without becoming a communist?

75:34>> Yeah, they're realizing they have a failed central planning model, but it's very important to never listen to the BS that capitalist spit. They always they actually really good at propaganda and convincing people that they believe in a free market. Like if if they believe in a free market, ask them why they ban Chinese EVs, >> right?

75:53>> That doesn't that's not a free market principle. They never believe in free market principles from day one. What what do you guys think corporate bailouts are? They ch uh they choose winners and losers. The the problem with the capitalist model is that they will often merge uh corporations. They will get rid of the they will get rid of the middleman like we've seen in Germany with Friedrich MS. They used to have like Catholic capitalist puppets but now they got Friedri M directly from Black Rockck. So they just got rid of that part as a whole. So we seeing a complete merging of the private industry with the

76:30public interest in order to wage class war on the working class and advance the interest of the capitalist imperialist regime. That is inherently what capitalism will always morph into. So do you want do you want a system that only cares about the profits of the ruling class even if it means having destabilized uh infrastructure a working class that is not invested in? Or do you want a central planning model that focuses on the working class and the dictatorship of the proletariat? Why do you guys think we have a massively bloated and wasteful military-industrial complex where now they are spending over a

77:08trillion dollars per year and then they get their ass whooped by Iran. They lose to private women. And I've been discussing on my channel that these are evidence that you guys are being grifted. They they give these giant contracts to their friends, their families. So instead of investing in our communities, they essentially turn the United States to a glorified arms dealer who um enrich the ruling class, who invest in ads in the corporate media, who then enrich propagandists, who then donate to politicians. It is not a coherent system. And that's why we see the ruling class have to uh uh compromise their values consistently in

77:49order to compete with countries who actually do have a coherent model and actually have a competent government.

77:56So please remember these people are always and they they don't even believe what they what they claim they practice.

78:04>> Well, isn't this I mean Germany did this too. Like isn't this pretty typical of fascism? It's part of the definition of fascism where you're going to have a merger of the state and corporations on behalf of a ruling class rather than on behalf of the people. Like th this is they're adopting some of these tactics but for completely different purposes.

78:29It's for purposes of a corrupt oligarchic class to have complete control over the society. And at the same time, they're building out, I'm doing this after the break, the flock cameras, and we just saw that terrifying video of the robot dogs that they're mounting guns to, which you could have seen coming a mile away.

78:51>> Yeah. Yeah.

78:52>> So, now th this just broke this week.

78:55Nobody can afford a house in America.

78:58And that was starting to happen in China, too.

79:01>> Yeah.

79:01>> So, Xi gave a speech back in uh 2017.

79:06Housing should be for living in, not for speculation. And they literally made it government policy to bring down the price of housing to collapse the bubble and to do it in a gradual way so it wouldn't take the economy with it the way it did in the United States. So there's unusual Wales. China's residential property prices have effectively dropped back to roughly 2006 levels in real terms, wiping out an estimated 18 to 20 trillion dollar U in US dollars in perceived household wealth since the 2021 peak.

79:48>> So you can see right here, Xi gives that speech, houses for living in, not for speculation. That's the peak of the bubble and the housing prices dropped ever since after that until you completely deflated the bubble, brought it back to 2006.

80:07So, uh, here's Matraa Bal. Um, China's national boogeoisi always knew this day would come. They knew what they were getting into. They knew who they ultimately served. They may have received that one golden star on China's national flag, but they never forgot what the large one represents.

80:30The sorest losers of China's real estate crash is the western boogeoisi, including firms like Blackstone. Indeed, they were some of its main targets. They spent decades investing in China's housing boom, salivating over the prospect that China's housing market would financialize. That China would ultimately do to itself what they had already done to the US. Treat houses like a tradable commodity and benefit from the endless cycle of buying and selling to turn people's homes into casino chips. to be endlessly bought, sold, inflated, leveraged, and overleveraged until the end of time.

81:12Instead, they discovered the hard way who actually governs China. In all countries, the property market is an important facet of class. And almost everywhere, the wrong class wins. In China, the right one. The state controls finance capital, not the other way round. The western mind cannot comprehend this. This also explains why Western media and economists have been decrying China's crash so viciously.

81:43They are simply expressing the frustrations and hysteria of the class they serve. The class whose dreams now lie in ruins. That's the real crash.

81:54Yeah. Yeah. And what are we doing here?

81:58This is from Sear and Jetty. In Florida, counties are preparing for the elimination of property tax. So, you're gonna make the homeowners richer.

82:07Hillsboro County is going to make up the revenue by charging you money when you take your kid to the park and increasing fuel taxes while boomers occupying all the housing stock will laugh.

82:20>> So, how how does this end up? How does this end up? China's got the second highest ownership in the world after, believe it or not, Kazakhstan.

82:30Kazakhstan. Number three is Lao, which I just visited. That surprised me, too. Then Romania. Russia is I think that's about number seven. Where are we?

82:43Between 43 and 52, right? I thought that's the American dream. Owning a home. It's the American dream. Why do all these people own homes? We don't. We don't own a home. Look, Vietnam's on that list. Another communist country.

82:58Lao is a communist country, too. Most people don't know that. I'm not ashamed to admit it. I didn't know that either until I went I didn't know until I went there. Um, yeah. All Yeah. That's the price of freedom. Exactly. You're going to pay to use the public park. They have a homeowner tax deduction. They don't have a renter tax deduction. Right.

83:18China said, "Hey, we're not going to have this. Young people are not going to be able to afford their homes.

83:25We're not going to let our society go in that direction. So in this country, do you think it's even possible to get around all the wealthy homeowners?

83:38That's why you have a homeowners tax deduction because they're able to leverage their political power in donations to get favorable treatment.

83:48How could you even break through to get that here? Especially when you know, Nick, you got all these brainwashed working people who are going to scream when they say, "You know how much wealth that's going to take away from homeowners? That's going to hurt the workers." They're going to be like, "Yeah, you're going to hurt the workers.

84:06You're going to hurt the workers." How are you even going to do that in this country? How could you even get around that?

84:12China is opening many people eyes because the the average rent in China is around 275 bucks. 91% of millennials own their own home in China.

84:26>> Yep.

84:26>> But you had the freedom not to own anything in the United States. Isn't that great?

84:30>> Right.

84:31>> Don't you love that freedom?

84:32>> You will own nothing and be angry.

84:34That's how Katon [laughter] puts it.

84:36Yeah.

84:37So yeah, there was previous generations who was brainwashed by the landlord class, but I truly believe that this kind of stuff is changing because what I bring up to people is what what does freedom really mean? The freedom to be a surf. Like China, they have freedom, true freedom of movement. Are you really free? Because there was a survey I ran a lot a long time ago where like the average working-class person couldn't afford to live in like 80% of the cities of the United States. craze like that.

85:07But are are you really free if you don't have the right to and the freedom to afford to live in the ma the vast majority of cities in your country? Like even among the very expensive cities, the average rent is only like 400 500 bucks in China. And one of the reasons why you see this and one the reason why you see this amazing accomplishment in housing where they was able to deflate the mount the housing market without seeing any drastic decrease in quarterly economic growth.

85:40This is what everyone's freaking out about like how the hell do you uh possibly accomplish this? This is uh economic accomplishment for the history books. But this is what happens when you have a culture in a country that is on the path of true socialism where class antagonisms are worked out through the government through uh governmental agencies and mechanisms. In the United States, class antagonisms are literally just directly one way and that's the ruling class stopping all the workers, the landlord class becoming richer.

86:10That's why we are seeing rents drastically increase and an entire generation give up on the concept of home ownership. Like the idea of me ever owning a home never even crossed my mind.

86:23>> The the millennials uh and I'm a younger millennial but especially Gen Z that idea has been killed and has been dead because there is no mechanism in the United States politics where class warfare works through our bugazi system. This is why people call for building on revolutionary movements because you ask a question like how do we get Americans to wake up? How can we possibly break this landlord siege? Unfortunately, it just take it takes militant class warfare and the acknowledgement that there's more of us than there are of them because China they they brought their landlords to heal. And I got to do

86:57some more reading on this, but I read a little bit about it. How like the how they bring landlords to heal in China.

87:03like you're only allowed to have like two properties, not not really allowed to rent it. They got very strong regulations and practices that many people in the United States will freak out about. Like I mean I'm talking about like the capitalist landlord class, right?

87:16>> So whenever people say well and this is a lot of the copy from the right, they're like, "Well, don't you know that China's capitalist now? Don't don't you know they're not real socialist?" I'm like, "Oh, can we at least get to China first and then and then figure the rest out later?" like China has created an amazing blueprint for humanity and when you guys see the the massive in infrastructure projects that they accomplished when you see the amount of people they lift out of poverty when you see that uh the vast majority of young people in China has a positive view on the future why don't you want why don't

87:50Americans want to build that for ourselves like why don't you want to compete in China not in the capitalist sense of comparing their stocks and dividend and like compete with them like yeah we we uplift more people out of poverty than China we built better infrastructure than China look at our at our highspeed rail that's what I want to do that's why I want to compete with China uh instead of just advocating for reformism which would never uh hit us to that goal and and objective which I really hope Americans get their head on straight so we can actually start building something like we like we see

88:23out China straight up >> all right so that that is perfect to bring me into the main thing that I've wanted to talk to you about since I got back.

88:32>> Yeah.

88:33>> You know, you take a trip like that, you can't predict what you're going to see, how it's going to impact you, what uh how it's going to change the way you look at life, the way you look at society, the way you look at America, the way you look at your own country.

88:48Now, one thing I got from it is uh Americans are crazy. Like normal people don't act like we act here. Like really normal people don't act like that. Like what they teach us that this is human nature? No, it's not. This is how humans behave under a very artificial environment where you're trained to treat everyone like a potential competitor. You're automatically going to be aggressive. You're going to have a aggressive posture. If people aren't trained to be that way, they default to being nice and polite. That's how most people are anywhere that you go in Asia.

89:26Most people are very nice, very helpful, very polite towards you. That's communist, non-communist, Thailand, China, whatever. They're just they're just very nice, very gentle, very very kind, very decent. Um, Vietnam and China in particular, when I looked at what these people went through to get what they got, >> right, >> that is what has stayed with me. So, I want to I want to show you this. So this is we know it as the Hanoi Hilton because this is where they kept the American prisoners uh in North Vietnam during the Vietnam War. But as you could tell from the outside, it was built by the French to imprison the Vietnamese.

90:11So that was the guillotine.

90:16You know, they decided uh you were more troubled than you were worth.

90:20>> You know, take you they would take you right out to that courtyard. That was where they would do the executions right outside. They would take you out. This is how they would uh keep people chained up there.

90:33>> It's crazy.

90:34>> This is uh this is one of the cells.

90:36Yeah. They'd keep you all the time you're in the cell with your hands chained up like that.

90:43Um now this this is what's going on here. The dungeon was used to confine prisoners who broke the regulations of the prison. The dungeon in Halo was hell of the hell. Dungeon was dark and narrow. Prisoners were kept separately and put in stocks and had to eat and relieve themselves on the spot. All the prisoners confined here were puffed with edema. Their eyes were clouded over and their bodies were covered with scabies caused by the lack of light and air. Uh, so there was a prison outside of Chongqing um that I didn't get to go to. I'm sure you would see similar things to what you see in Vietnam. The Quoman Tong used to

91:29keep them there and torture the Chinese communists.

91:34When I saw what these people went through to achieve what they've achieved, I say, "How you going to get Americans to do that?"

91:44>> Honestly, man. Honestly, like these people were ready to die. Yo, in Huawe prison there, they would they would have their meetings teaching each other communist theory and they made them all share the same uh bucket. They would hide the literature in the bucket so they could keep training each other in communist theory.

92:06>> Right? You look at that level of toughness and dedication, how you how are you going to build people like that out of this country?

92:19That is something you got to be realistic about if you're going to talk about these kind of revolutionary things. Now, for me, that definitely I I don't know if this changed so much, and I don't think you really disagree with this. I think you got a guy like mom Donnie who goes ahead and does a rent freeze or a P to tear tax. I think that is good for people who want to push more radical politics because you want to show people that something that is associated with socialism or leftism made their lives better. I think that's going to make them more open to pitching that. And then of course you talk about

93:00the genocide of Gaza. I mean, you look at what those people are suffering.

93:05I can't imagine I'm ever going to go out and tell people, "Go volunteer for a Democrat again." I I I can't see it happening.

93:14>> But when there are elections in my city, do I go and vote for someone like Mandani who refuses to not call Israel an apartheid state? Sure. Am I going to say, "Yo, go volunteer. Mom Donniey's having an event. No. And part of the reason, especially having seen that >> coming back, I'm like, [sighs] you know, I can't really advocate for some kind of an accelerationism when you got a population that can't do that.

93:46They're just not going to. They're just not going to. So, at that point, you have a social collapse.

93:53The only person who's going to be able to take advantage of that is Peter Teal because you don't have a bunch of Vietnamese. The Vietnamese people were the most beautiful people I ever met.

94:03>> They're I It's unbelievable how forgiving they are, >> right?

94:07>> You Yo, you go there, man, you still see people walking around with no arms.

94:11Literally walking around with no arms from that war still to this day.

94:15>> And you ask them across the board, you ask Vietnamese people what they think of Americans, they say, "We're all friends now. That was the past. We don't forget, but it's part of our culture. You have to forgive. You have to move on. You don't hold on to these things. The combination of kindness and you can even now sense the toughness of those people.

94:40I asked younger Vietnamese what they what they how they felt about the government and they said, "We really like the government. Um, we feel like we got to work with the government to make Vietnam better for our parents and grandparents who lived through the bad times. That was what they call it, the bad times, the war, the colonization.

95:03So, you as I I don't want to speak for you, Marxist Leninist, you would call yourself, I think, >> pretty accurate. So, how do you see going forward given everything I'm saying and you know say if you disagree with anything I said say so. Uh how do you go forward with these movements in America and do you support any kind of harm reduction like a rent freeze from a person like Montani who's a Democrat?

95:36I remember I was talking to one of my Chinese friends and uh he was explaining how he's excited about a lot of people in the west who wants to move to China because that's that's that's a joke I make on on my on my channel all the time like man I need to do the linen model when I go where I go away from the empire and try to plan the revolution on the outside. But China there are people who have a message for and they're very welcoming to people who want to visit. They offer visa free to a ton of different countries. But my friend was advocating. He was like, "You guys have to understand that we went

96:12through centuries of humiliation, right?"

96:15>> Like one of the reasons why we have pride in our country is because our ancestors fought and died >> to create infrastructure where we are allowed to benefit from. And now we're the we went from being humiliated and a broken people to now a country that everyone want to travel to that is now respected. And that's something that the Chinese people have great pride in and many people can't begin to reconcile with.

96:39>> So why what I advocate for people is don't you want your legacy to be that?

96:45>> Don't you have children? Don't you have people in your younger generations that you look to and don't you have a sense of strong obligation of feeling that you have to build something that will make the next generation better? That's that's what I advocate for. That's what I dream for.

97:03>> And people and there are and the people I want to reach. Can you talk about how you reach these American people? Because there's a lot of people in my family don't even vote. I have I have people in my family who had medical bankruptcies.

97:14These are the things that radicalized me. Like I wasn't even radicalized with theory. I was radicalized seeing a lot of my friends, my homeboys. I I remember I had a conversation with my friend a long time ago because he was the hardest working dude that you will ever see.

97:28Like he he was working two jobs. He was also hustled on the side. I never seen him there. I was I offered him a place to stay because he was struggling. And this is despite him working two jobs. He always tired and he and I had a conversation where he blamed himself. He was like, "Nick, I feel like I'm cursed, man. No matter what I do, there nothing I can." And he and it was a very depressing conversation. And I didn't tell him, man, like, "Man, bro, you are one of the hardest workers I've known.

97:54How can you blame yourself? This is a systemic problem." So there these are the people who are left behind be uh with these incrementalist projects because they they have long since since gave up on the political system, >> right?

98:09>> That's why I have a lot of people in my family that's apolitical and it's very interesting because they will now bring up politics to me because they see my hotspot videos on their Facebook feed.

98:17They're like, "Damn, Nick, I never know you can cover politics like this." So like for example, I was talking to my sister who she will never be able to explain like the h the the complexities between economic systems and the corruption of United States lobbying.

98:32But she she told me one reason why she not into politics because she always knew it was You know, she she listened to all the politicians. She knows they're all full of and she's not a political head. These are just the feelings that the vast majority of the American people feel. Always cringe when MAGA types and Democrats say we are half of the country. No, you guys are one/4 at best.

98:57>> I would say one to be clear. So the very hard task that we have and I failed on this many times before. I had a lot of failures. I tried to organize the left which is a nightmare by the way. It's a nightmare. But we're trying to RBN. We haven't been successful. We're trying to uh build this movement that we know is necessary, but those people are there.

99:20We have to find a way to mobilize the people who who don't even believe in the legitimacy of the two-party system.

99:29That's I know Democrats use this as a very dishon dishonest attack on DSA politicians, which I'm not using it in this way because they always like, "Well, don't you know that DSA people are supported by rich white suburbanites?" Well, they're kind of being dishonest on that. But there's some truth in there where the people who are truly hurt by our American system.

99:48They don't they don't even have the time or energy to invest in the mom daddy.

99:52You know, these are the people who not even invested in the system. So, we had to find a way to reach them. And that's what we at RBN have been pondering. And that's why I'm very loud in my critiques of Zoron and the DSA politicians. But you guys notice I never use my platform to punch down. And I don't shame people.

100:12I make my arguments aloud and aggressively and people feel defensive when they hear it and they feel like they had to apologize to the vote to me.

100:20But I view that as a failing of of us of revolutionaries not to provide the people in New York with a different alternative than a Zora Mami than a DSA.

100:31And that's what I want to spend my time focusing on, building an alternative, giving people um a a a chance to build our own movement where we can hold our own people accountable because Zoro Mamani, don't get it twisted, he's a fantastic manager of capitalism.

100:47[laughter] He's he's probably the best gift that the establishment could possibly ask for. an amazing pressure release valve in this moment where people was beginning to mass exit the Democratic party in a time where people was began to question the ruling class.

101:06You have Zor Mami that is here to swoop in to save the massively unpopular Hakeim Jeff and also to put a lot of people in a tranquilizing state where they feel like they're actually winning.

101:17That was the whole point. Instead of there being this anger where you see the genocidal Israeli regime get everything they want, they needed this pressure release, someone who is willing to criticize Israel publicly but also materially support them when it actually matters. Like for example, when he banned uh breaking a campaign promise protest of a genocidal synagogue who was selling off Palestinian land. And remember guys, in this moment where a lot of people were doing videos about Zionist being owned, isn't it? The Zionists are owned. The Zionists are melting down over Zoram Donnie. That's about pressure releasing. They're trying

101:54to give you a sense that you are accomplishing something that there's not action that need to be taken. Fam, one of the West Bank is gone and they're are going to continue. So in this era where Israel voted to enex the West Bank, where they are engaging in mass torture and slaughtering of Palestinian people in the West Bank, you have the anti-Zionist movement in the United States is celebrating just going to brunch and propping up a guy who is materially facilitating and shielding the people who are selling off Palestinian land. And the and these are uh the critiques I bring up because I want people to become activated and

102:30realize the what's really at stake. And even though these managers of capitalism is important to help ease the um pain that a lot of people are feeling in the working class, they still play a very very important part for the establishment in order to dull revolutionary energy. And that is exactly what happened. Instead of actually having a a a true outside movement that can put real pressure on establishment, we have someone who is here to do propaganda here to uplift and launder the reputation of people like Kathleen Ho Hoel of King Jeff and support the Democratic party, which I don't think we need that in the moment.

103:08So don't get me twisted though. I'm not attacking anyone who support mom Donnie.

103:12Like there are a lot of people on DSA who means well. it just with my platform. I want to make our moral differences clear and to pro provide alternative. I say this last thing I'll let you chime in because >> as like we were speaking about Ma before when they had the revolution not every single peasant was versed in communist theory. You think they all was versed in communist theory? It's our job to lead the working class in the right position.

103:40If I hear one more person say shift over to window to the left, I'mma slap them in the face. I'm tired.

103:45>> Shift shift over what?

103:47>> Shift the over to window. I'm tired of that term. I'm tired of the term over to window. The American people already deeply distrust the institutions.

103:57Congress has a 10% approval rating. The American people are already against the Israeli regime. The American people have supported healthc care. we need to lead them in a direction where we can actually get that instead of voting for house speakers and blocking the votes for Medicare for all for example. So I I don't I strongly disagree and this is my last my real last statement here. I I disagree morally >> as a peace activist with this with the tradeoff that we will support imperialist talking points. We will support NATO. We will condemn Cuba. We will condemn Venezuela. We will condemn Hamas. We'll condemn resistance fighters

104:35just so we get like free buses, just so we can get some welfare programs. Once again, I'm not knocking people. I know we have a very hard choice, but that's what I use my platform for to uh point out these moral differences between us and them. And that's just another reason why we need to build. I know that was a long uh >> No, no, we're just scratching the surface here.

104:57>> Oh man, you were invited on for an interview. You're here to talk. Um, all right. Well, I looked into this with Mam Donnie because I saw a lot of people saying this. He actually uh vetoed an earlier bill on the synagogues that actually did ban it. He agreed to a bill that forbid what was already policy that you can't block the entrance, which was not actually a change in the policy.

105:29You know, Katon, we've talked about this on the show and uh I think he's right in the way he lays out Mandani as look man, the guy's a politician. Like that's a very different position from that's what I said about him the one time I actually physically met him. He was at a Tesla protest that I went to stream and this is when he was at like 5% in the polls.

105:53So he was willing to talk to me then. So I came away. I said I asked him a question about how do you get people who got burned by Sanders to support you?

106:04and he completely ducked the whole [laughter] question >> and I said when I came away the impression I got of him he's a politician and he is he is um I think it's very difficult and this this is really what I'm saying in terms of the trip that I took and the perspective it gave me. I can't tell people don't take the rent freeze when there is nothing feasible coming behind that now building out a movement. I agree that's what the Vietnamese did. They did it for a hundred years. A hundred years. This didn't start when America showed up.

106:51This goes back to the French. And actually when you see how they frame their struggle against colonialism, >> right, >> America is the final act. It's the final boss in the game. For them, most of that history is about other countries occupying them, particularly France.

107:10It's mostly about, they mostly talk about France. America is like the cherry on the whipped cream. That was like the last thing that they had to get past to get their country for themselves.

107:22Um, so yes, the kind of organizing you're talking about, absolutely.

107:31>> Yeah.

107:32>> But you got to do that in the first place. Otherwise, what are you telling people not to take these things that are going to help their lives for? You know, look, I am fortunate enough, honestly, I've been living in the same building for 20 years because we have rent stabilization in New York. My rent is so far below market rent. I'm not going to go broke without a rent freeze. But I don't have kids, man. I don't have a family. I'm not in that position. It's not about me. It honestly isn't. Like, most of the things I advocate for, I don't really need.

108:10Like, we all need health care, right? I mean, we all need that. But a lot of these kinds of things, like, am I really worried I'm going to be homeless? No.

108:19But I'm thinking about the people who are going to be homeless. Like, what am I telling them to turn that down for?

108:26For a revolution that is decades, decades away, decades away. Like, yeah, man. You when we went out to uh St.

108:35Louis to uh document what the Uhurus are doing, that's amazing. Like, that's amazing work. like that. Of course, it's worth supporting, it's worth organizing, and it's worth trying to build that framework to undermine the system >> like the like the Vietnamese did, >> right?

108:54>> But they didn't do that overnight.

108:56>> That took a long that for them that was a century. That was like a century of training people in communist theory and communist thinking. Having gone and seen communism at work, yeah, I pretty much got converted over to I did.

109:14>> Yeah.

109:15>> At the same time, it gave me a realistic perspective on what you would need to do to get that in America. And I think people I think activists should work towards that at that having seen it in action. Yeah, I do. It would be just like there. It's what? It's socialism with Chinese characteristics. It would be different here. The way they do it in China, I'll tell you right now, it wouldn't work here. We're a different people. We're a very different.

109:43>> They would take a different approach.

109:45>> You'd have to take a different approach.

109:46Their version is very confusion. And they lived with that system for over a thousand years. They adopted that basic way of doing things to a communist theory. So the population already was kind of used to the way that they're approaching government and its relationship to people. You couldn't do it that way here.

110:09>> You'd have to figure that out. That's part of what revolutionaries like yourself have got to figure out.

110:15>> Like how do you adopt that to the American model? But you got to do what they did. They built cells and they educated >> for a hundred freaking years. Now I'm not saying hundred years. I I think things move faster now. They're starting from a kind of peasant society where most people are illiterate when they're starting to try to educate people in communism. We're not coming from that position, but it ain't going to happen tomorrow. So final so final question. So given that, >> how do you feel about these DSA candidates? you know, the DA Dar Liza who was, you know, a protester at Colombia. Uh, Valdez is actually

110:55speaking against funding for Ukraine.

110:57And Dar Liza, it seems like she might go that way. So, how do you like what would you do if you lived here? Would you vote for them?

111:06PE that's that's a good question because people always say um we are extremely far away from revolution and that's why I advocate for the action I do because what where do you guys think a revolutionary a revolution spawns from like where does it come from? It doesn't come from a membrane from another reality and arriving society. We are the revolution.

111:32So that's all all I advocate for. That's why you wouldn't see me go after you because you're not a Democratic party sheep dog because I've seen you support Shamas San. I seen you support uh Joe Stein, the Green Party. I believe I don't want to misspe for you, but I've seen you support people outside of duopoly.

111:49>> Yeah. Well, Jose too.

111:51>> Yeah. So >> I I mean the only people we've endorsed are not Democrats. We haven't endorsed any Democrat.

111:56>> Abs. Absolutely. That's why there's no problem with what you are doing. What I have problems with are people who only engage in Democratic party interest, >> right?

112:05>> Because please explain to me why people in DSA are not actively supporting Shama Swan >> uh who is running the genocidal monster and Adam Smith.

112:15>> So regard to your question, it really depends on the context. Like is there because if I was in New York, I probably would have been kicked out of DSA. I probably would have joined DSA, would have got kicked out immediately.

112:27Um, but it once again it really depends on the context. Like for example, I I could have seen myself for voting for Corey Bush the first time. I don't really see myself if I was in St. Louis voting for her again because I don't >> right >> I think I I I find her votes for the Nazis in Ukraine to be very deplorable.

112:45And whenever I bring up the stuff they're like, "Nick, don't you know that the American people don't care about geopolitics like that?" And I'm like, "Sir, I am an American people. this is what I care about and this is what I'm trying to get people to care about because all these issues are inherently connected and and it's more than just a strategy difference and that's why my criticisms are extremely scathing that's why I had Ro Kana stuttering like a child when he came on my show because they can't reconcile their politics with me I I'm sorry but I do find it morally reprehensible to be supportive of NATO

113:19that's why Daryl Eliza is very interesting to watch from me because Dariza Cavier, I don't know her last name, but she >> Shaveier >> Chaveier. So, she's one of the most impressive um progressive Democrats was that was elected because she was one of the few people on the left that was critical of the Ukraine proxy war. But you got to see how quickly she deleted all her tweets. She apologized for her previous action. So, that's a bad sign. So what happens when you get >> and she apologized for saying Kamla >> it's is not a good sign. So we will see what happens when she get elected and and will she bow to the establishment.

113:59So it's not about like Nick will you support DSA. I I don't trust them because we've seen what happens when you guys get power. You guys won't fight your party to fight for Medicare for all. You will support Nancy Pelosi and the King Jeff. And when you guys say you support Palestine, this is what once again I have to correct the record on my platform. people can make whatever decision they make, but I believe that the details are important because now we're in a situation where Israel is extremely uh is an issue that many Americans really care about. So now we're seeing the professional managerial

114:30class and liberal Zionists use that issue and kind of dumb it down and they use it to help get themselves elected because once again they all support NATO. Like what you what do you mean you support NATO? Ilhan Omar poses with these Az Nazis. So that alone is a red line. But what is NATO responsible for?

114:51You have Mark Rut that who just admitted that NATO played a crucial part in the bombing of Iran.

114:58They are an instrument used to uphold United States imperialism. NATO countries are the one who provided aid to Israel as they slaughter Palestinians, refused to put sanctions on them as they enex the West Bank. NATO is also full of countries like uh the UK and many other who provide weapons to the UAE. What do the UAE use the weapons for? They use it to fund >> Sudan in Sudan.

115:22>> Yeah.

115:23>> Well, when I'm looking at these people like it's easy to say free Palestine.

115:27That's easy to do, but your politics is incoherent. You got your politics is inherently empowering the the Israeli regime. Like Mandani's wife, for example, is a she supported free Syria.

115:40She supported the head choppers in Syria. Now Donald Trump is talking about using Syria to fight Hezbollah in Lebanon. So I know there's a lot of dumbing down on this issue and what I'mma use my platform for. And and I can only explain my position. I'm use my platform to educate people in the Palestine movement while these moves by the professional managerial class undermines the Palestine resistance and the Palestine struggle. That's why it's crucial that they get that get that right. If you believe that these are youthful trade-offs, if you will to uh um overlook these differences to get welfare programs, that's okay. But I'm

116:15not going to use my platform to ignore these very important issues, especially considering I cover geopolitics. Like that's kind of what I do. That why we do our hotspot. So I'm here to remind people how if you guys think that these people are good on Palestine, there's a reason why they're allowed to exist.

116:32Because they will also condemn BDS. They would uh support MSAD talking points about the Iranian regime murdering thousands of their people. This is what Zoron said. Like Juron gets away with stuff that AOC would never get away with. You know, like AOC will get crucified for doing the that Zoron did, but he gets away with with it for some reason. And people like, "No, he's a mayor." Well, stop chiming in on this stuff. Why are you protecting Hakee Jeff and natural figures? So, what I'm here to do is to be the person who point out these differences and then people who support these politicians, they can use

117:06that to hold them accountable and make them better. It's a win-win. You use my pressure because in a hypothetical scenario, and I've explained this many times before, in a hypothetical scenario where I was going to vote for a politician, I would take that to my grave. I wouldn't even say station until the day of the the election. You consistently hold these people accountable. You're trying to make uh uh keep them morally consistent. What I see is celebrity worship. What I see and and this I don't think you're responsible for this, but there are a lot of people who view like Zuron as a cult. They the

117:37same way they simp over AOC. There's like >> Yeah. Yo, man. I I posted a video of that on my uh on my travel channel. Um they freaking uh they're selling I've never seen this in my life. I'm a native New Yorker. They're selling uh Zoron merch on Union Square. I've never seen that in my life, man. And they're doing a brisk business. It was like a quiet day. I was interviewing the guy and like three people came by to buy his shirt >> in like 10 minutes.

118:03>> He's a great guys. Like don't give he's the best manager of capitalism. I'm not even saying that as a as a shade.

118:10>> And I I not even personal. I'm sure he's a great guy to hang out with probably.

118:14He like if you imagine if he was sitting next to Giron at the New York Knicks game, that probably would be a fun time.

118:19It's not personal, but politics is is a real serious game. And I and I want people um to I just simply want them to get these issues right. And I need people to and one of the reasons I point out these differences is to help spur people to organize on their own to realize that hey man, we can do better. Like Zoron doing great. All the progressive politicians are great, but I believe in the potential of the working class.

118:43Well, I truly do believe we can do better. So if you support Zoron, if you like them, I'm not there. I'm not here to punch down. I'm not here to attack these people. I'm here to remind people that I believe that we can do better. I really do believe in the potential of the working class. And the reason why third party movements fail is because Americans are mostly lazy who just expect a spontaneous revolution will pop off. I am not one of them people that believe a spontaneous revolution will pop off. It takes everyone doing their work and doing what they can do. And that's what I'm trying my best for. I'm

119:13not great at it. I'm not saying that I'm the next Malcolm X or anything, but imagine if everyone who had a nihilistic approach where they feel like the only option they have is to put blind trust in politician. Imagine if they did what they could for a revolutionary party.

119:27That's that's what the theme I want to remind people. We have the power. You can choose to either sit out of the game and just trust Azor Mamani or you can get in the game and help build this movement, which once again, I've seen you uh help prop up third party candidates and that's what I want to see. like do do whatever you think in your personal life uh can help you shield from the pains of capitalism, but please keep your head on straight and and remember who's our real class enemy.

119:52I think there are a lot of people who forget that because of the tranquilizing drugs. And that's mostly kind of my position. Hopefully I'm summing it up uh well here for you guys to understand, but I'm just here to spur revolutionary action and and let people know that we have better options and we could do better even than the best among them like Zor. That's just my thoughts. All right, man. One one last question because while I got you here, I got to ask you this. So So I'm reading I'm actually having him on on the 29th. Uh the author Joel Whitney, he wrote a book called that I already knew some of this

120:27really. My audience put me on to the Congress of Cultural Freedom and that history of them manipulating culture and the arts to support an anti-communist agenda going back to the Cold War. Uh, this book really focuses on how the CIA was funding all of these literary magazines in the 50s. And it's really amazing when you look at what they did >> because basically they created the MSNBC tactic back in the 50s. They realized the McCarthy thing.

120:59>> It's too crude. The wealthy professional class people are not going to go for that. It's too that's for that's for the beer drinkers, right? We need an anti-communism that the academics and the PMC's are going to go for. So, they got a bunch of NYU professors and they formed I can't remember what it was called, but they formed a group whose job it was to go debate communists and essentially rule them out of bounds for the more upper middle class types. Now, when you watch what Mika Brazinski does, that is she's a modern version of that.

121:36And I'm sure they're all working for the intelligence services just like these people were. They never stopped doing it. Now, Richard Wright >> actually worked for the CIA for a while.

121:47A lot of these writers were recruited by the CIA. And he quit. And he said, this is back in the 50s. He said, "Every left organization has been created by intelligence services and they use it to round up all the left in one place where they can keep an eye on them." So that to me is another level. I said this straight to Jill Stein, like I'm not throwing shade on her. When I interviewed her when we were both in Chicago, I said, "What do you do about infiltration?" because it's so obvious to me that all of these left movements are infiltrated. It's so obvious. You can't tell me in a country with over 300 million people, you can't

122:33find effective leftists. You can't tell me they don't exist. So that tells me they're being undermined. So that's the fear, too. Like e like Nick, you build up a nationwide movement like that. You know the CIA and the FBI are going to send people right into your organization. Yeah.

122:52>> Like what do what do you do about that?

122:53>> Yeah. For one, you got to understand that that's even a problem because a lot of these liberal organizations, they will call you a conspiracy theorist if you mention how governments, they don't even acknowledge the problem, which is why there's a problem in the first place. You know that DSA don't acknowledge this as a problem. And this is the core problem with DSA. You guys know they just they allow anyone to join >> because they like if you we can't eject party members that will be authoritarianism.

123:19>> That's asking for your organization to be hijacked. So they got this thing they call the DSA right? Have you seen this uh Russell? They said well yeah we got people on the DSA right. These are the people who who voted to uh on a DSA line where they said they will support Israel right to exist and that's why a lot of people called them a Zionist organization because a lot of Zionists infiltrated them. They have people like Brad Lander. Brad Lander quit the DSA, the guy who just won his election. He he quit DSA after October 7th because he called him a group of anti-semites. And then DSA as an organization later then

123:52embraced him. The guy who called him anti anti-semite. So if you was to create a left organization, like if the CIA was going to create a left organization, for example, if people wanted to create a left organization that's inherently ineffective, they have DSA. That's right out of their handbook.

124:10And the DSA started as an organization to push the Vietnam War, to get leftists to support the Vietnam War. They existed as an organization to >> Is that true? I didn't realize they went back that far. Yeah.

124:21>> No, they've been a They are a 40 plus year organization. That why it's weird when people pretend they're new. Like this not these are not the first elections that they won. People like, "Oh my god, yes, they won election."

124:32They win elections. The problem is what happens after that. They still haven't expelled AOC for vote supporting the Iron Dome for her rejecting their own strategy of of supporting primary challenges because there's no uh party enforcement. There's no real line.

124:50There's no uh that's why they have a DSA right. That's the kind of organization that you create if you're begging to be infiltrated. So every movement is is susceptible to that. it. You got to at least acknowledge that as a problem, which they don't even do that. You got have I learned this through my failures with RBN as well. I learned this through my own organizing that you gota you got to drive a hard ideological line. You got to make sure that you guys are all on the same page. You guys are all in tune in class warfare. And that's why intriism inherently fails. So, we will see with the new crop of politicians.

125:24That's why everyone's celebrating right now. And I'm like, fam, I'm sorry to be the spoiler here, but winning the election is not the big part. The big part is what you do after that. You guys won plenty of elections. What happened to Maxwell Frost? You know, they don't even talk about him anymore. He sold out fast as hell. Name one DSA or one progressive Democrat that held the line against the establishment in such a way that he was they was expelled from the party. It never happened and it never will. They will always fall with the Democrat party line because that's what happen when you don't build your own

125:58movement. So, uh, that's what I want the left in the United States to do. That what I hope that what I want to see happen.

126:05>> Nick, man, thank you for being so generous with your time. It's good to see you, man. It's been too long.

126:10>> Yeah, it's great to be in conversation with you. You guys are killing the game.

126:14And one thing I always got to say, um, please don't fall into political nihilism like that. We have one life and and the goal that we should have is to advance humanity into the future. That is what socialists want. the ruling class. They want they want humanity to descend into barbarism to to continue the expansion of their ill gotten means.

126:38We can't get give into now. We have to continue to organize, trust our neighbors, build with our neighbors and and mutual aid societies is a big part of that because I know we talking about how what what about people needs right now? That's a big part of it. Showing up for your neighbors, creating mutual aid societies. We have our Palestinian brothers and sisters who are struggling right now, which is why a big focus of RBN and what we're doing right now is is fundraising for Gaza funds. So, we have our merch store, RBN. I don't make any money.

127:07>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, where can people find you? How can people support what you're doing?

127:13>> Yeah. Yeah. You can find me on Nick Cruz. I stream on YouTube. Also on Hotspot. Uh, we also raise money for Palestinian fun. Once again, I don't make any money off any of the merch I sell. just n I know you're man >> money for Palestine. Um if you don't want a shirt, donate to Palestine. It's just if you want a shirt, anyone donate Palestine. That's what it's for. But that's what we need to be here. We need to be here for our neighbors. Don't >> Where where where do they find that? How do they donate to that?

127:37>> Yeah. Uh Bonfire RBN Shop. We link it on our channel. You can subscribe to us on uh Nick Cruz on YouTube. Also, Revolutionary Blackout where Rome streams as well. We're still active. And that's just our main goal right now.

127:49Make sure you uh subscribe to my channel on uh YouTube and I also tweet it out all all the time. Social MMA. Make sure you guys follow me. I stream about two three times a week and I focus heavily on short form content at Hotspot. But either way, whether you support my mutual aid, it doesn't support something. Please, we need as much aid to our Palestinian brothers and sisters as possible. That's why I want to heavily promote. So, thank you for having me on, Russ. I love the work that you guys do. I appreciate uh being dialogue with you.

128:18>> It's mutual, man. Let's Let's uh we got to do a post duopoly soon, man.

128:21>> Yeah, for sure. I'm down. I'm definitely down.

128:24>> All right. Thank you, Nick.

128:25>> Thank you, guys.

128:26>> Thank you. All right. That was the great Nick Cruz. I know a lot of you are probably already familiar with his work.

128:34If you're not, definitely check him out.

128:37Oh, what just happened?

128:39Oh, hang on. There we go. Um, okay. So, we're going to read some super chats before we go over to Rumble. That was I have been wanting to have that conversation with Nick for months.

128:53Literally for months. I've been back from Asia for two months. Um, all right.

128:58So, pirate Justin spend American tax money on Americans. Anti-Semite.

129:05Yeah. Uh, Jimmy Door, friend of show Jimmy. Is this the actual Jimmy Door or someone posing as Jimmy Door? Uh, what do you call a system that takes the richest country in the world and renders half its citizens unable to afford a$1,000 emergency? A failed system. That is something we can all agree on. Eric Huso, what's up, man? Who's worse, Goyams or muggles? Both are victims of supremacist ideology. You're right, man.

129:33Erico, will I be subjected to some MK Derp today? I believe so. I believe I believe I saw Mr. Derp there. Uh, logging in. Roger Meadow, time for another force the vote, baby. I got a list I'm presenting to Darly Eliza when I get on the Zoom with her Friday. All right, go for it. Roger Meadows Zenis Cash Patel is from Garden City. Uh, is he Robert Calleonian? For those who haven't figured out how this works by now, power corrupts absolutely. It doesn't matter who or which party. It is the only way to hold their feet to the fire like democracy is fix the MSM.

130:20You know, I went pretty uh I bore down pretty deep on the China stuff with Nick. I I mean that is very interesting what they've done there. It it's basically you you they have elections if you're a communist. You have to be trained in that way of thinking. So, it's it's interesting the way they've kind of approached that question of power corrupting. And uh again, that goes back to Confucianism, the idea that you're going to have rule by the wise.

130:53Um Roger Meadows, we need to run indies for New York State Legislature. Who will use leverage to force a vote on making New York a citizen ballot measure amendment state? We get it done ourselves.

131:08Eric Huso, does this mean the Democrats are bringing back Mary censorship poppins? Of course they are. Of course they are. I've been saying the whole thing you the whole time as as the Republicans have been lighting the country on fire and guaranteeing an enormous midterm backlash. Remember the cancel pigs? They're coming back.

131:28They're going to be back. Mina can't I've been saying lower rent prices back to the last time and raise minimum wage cuz this is Yep. T-Bone loving the lineup of guests you bring on Russ.

131:43Each time you guest host DD Rocks. Yes.

131:47Well, that's one of the awesome things about the opportunity Jimmy gives me to come on here. I get to talk to some amazing people and hopefully expose them to a wider audience. Uh, Eio Shush Russ with your commie propaganda. We had communism for four years under Biden and even President Xi in China told Trump America was dead and is now the hottest country in the world. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, if he said that, he went he went back and laughed with his friends over drinks later on. Uh, [laughter] you believe he believed that nocturnal human. Now you can get to work for just half of your paycheck when you fill up

132:26at the go station. Dother middle class is a wage earner who's capable of purchasing their own home out of those wages, letting them in on the economic growth capital that working class have none of. You see a lot of different definitions of uh what constitutes working class. Uh Steve Bertram, uh all the same affordability problems exist in China that exist in the West.

132:55Young people absolutely cannot afford to buy a house or start families and yet 95% of people own their homes. So that literally cannot be true. I actually spoke to a guy in China who moved back from Canada because wage relative to purchasing power, he came out ahead in China. Uh James Holmes, China never built Epstein Island. a bunch of losers.

133:18Uh the V the gorilla. That's why they had all that money to put into infrastructure. They weren't spending it on uh pre-teen girls. Uh V the gorilla.

133:28If Americans saw China on the ground, their brains will break. In the US, we are a speculative economy, a fire economy. Finance, insurance, and real estate. We have no industry. Our manufacturing is a cottage industry to finance. Yep. Yep. It did blow my mind.

133:46It blow everybody who goes to China.

133:49Mind blown. Like, yeah. Compared to America. You want to appreciate how much you're being ripped off? Go to China if you can. You'll never see America the same way again. Nina K, land of the free, most junk fees society on earth.

134:04Freedom. Yeah, that seems to be how they define it. and final batch. Michael Buffalo cap inheritance at 10 million and disperse the rest to pay off the national debt. Bolster SSI and house the homeless. Billionaires would drop like flies and we could all be free again.

134:22Well, if we eat just one billionaire like the shirt says. Hang on. Is that the last one? No, that can't be the last one. Uh the Hang on. This isn't coming in properly.

134:38We go. Roger Meadows. The reason China is able to improve on their infrastructure is due to them lacking their environmental regulations. This encroachment on the natural world led to a decaying ecosystem. As a result, they're now in an environmental crisis.

134:55I you know, listen, man. I appreciate you, but have you been there? Have you ever been Have you ever been? No. In all in all seriousness, man, I did I did a video about this when I was in one of the China train stations, China went through a phase just like we did, just like Europe did where the energy was very dirty. Beijing was kind of famous for having this smog and then they took the increase in wealth and productivity that they had and put it into clean energy.

135:32Now when you go through China, the air is pretty good and you see solar farms and windmills everywhere.

135:42You know where you don't see that?

135:45America. America is actually in an environmental crisis where you can't get clean water all over the country because they won't invest in any of the infrastructure. Uh you know what they have outside of New Orleans? They got a place called Cancer Alley. Cancer Alley.

136:04Not coincidentally, most of the people who live there are black, not surprisingly. Um, and uh, that is because they let these corporations just build uh, chemical plants right next to where people live and they all get cancer. So, um, I would worry a little more about that problem here than in China. Um, okay. Uh, Roger Meadows, let's not forget the labor exploitation they do of black people in Africa, including children, for those minerals. They're just as imperialistic.

136:39Now, Roger, again, man, I I appreciate you throwing some money in the till here. Are you honestly going to start talking about the exploitation of Africans as an argument against China as an American? [laughter] Are you joking me? I we did a story we did a story not too long ago about how in the Congo they were talking about bringing legal action against uh Apple for uh buying up stolen minerals and conflict minerals. So yeah, uh Nick effing gets it. Thanks for having him from 31 Joseph. It was honestly, man, that is the person I most wanted to have a conversation with since I got back.

137:24Uh, Roger Meadows, Nick's MMO is a CBI CBI state. Organizing your state around citizen initiated constitutional amendments. Movements begin in the states. Uh, you know, I don't think he'd be against that actually. Uh, JB, uh, brilliant guest, Russ. I love Nick's perspective. So do I. All right, those are all of our super chats. We are going to go over to Rumble. I believe we're going to be joined by Kerb. We got three segments. We're going to do Tyler Robinson. We're going to do Maha Betrayed and we're going to do a short piece on the flock camera rebellion. All right, we'll see you over there.

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