0:02Hey, we have a special guest back with us, Professor Zhang, Beijing-based educator, writer, and advocate for education reform, known for his work in promoting creativity, critical thinking, and global citizenship in Chinese schools. He gained international attention in 2004 for his viral predictions about geopolitics, foreseeing Donald Trump's return to power, US-Iran conflict, and US losing that war based on historical patterns and game theory. Welcome back to the show, Professor Zhang. Good to see you.
0:34Thanks, Jimmy. Thanks for inviting me back. Now, the first thing I wanted to bring up, this happened, so I don't know if you're up to on this, but the United States has attacked a ship, right? So, they they're going to block the Strait of Hormuz, and here, let me just play if this is what Scott uh Ritter This is his assessment of what happened, and I'll get your re- response.
0:57Hang on.
0:58civilians?
1:00Well, my understanding is that the there was a Iranian cargo ship was making transit out of the Strait of Hormuz into the the Gulf there, and in accordance with the agreement that was reached between the United States and Iran in Islamabad about the the ceasefire, an illegal American blockade that has no legitimacy under international law and is a complete violation of the ceasefire agreement, demanded that the ship stop. The ship didn't, and the United States the US Navy vessel destroyer told the the ship to evacuate the engine room, and they fired on the engine room, causing the ship to come to a halt, and
1:32the US Marine raiding group was landed on the vessel and took control of the vessel. It is an act of piracy. There's no legitimacy for for this action whatsoever.
1:40Wow.
1:41What would be the goal of something like this? Why would Trump and his cabinet even order this?
1:46It's pure psychological operation. This is about the United States spinning the events so that the president can claim that he has the upper hand, that you know, if, for instance, Iran were to go to Islamabad and agree to a deal, the president would say it's only because of his the strong stance that he's taken in enforcing this blockade and compelling the Iranians to, you know, see the common sense in coming to an agreement.
2:04That's all this is. It has nothing to do with, you know, legitimately stopping a flow. Even even let's just say that we let's just acknowledge that this is merely a lack to like much of what the United States does. You know, but the the goal is to effectively halt shipping out of the Strait of Hormuz by the Iranians and this this most certainly is not doing that. So, um it it's just pure theater theater of the absurd.
2:22So, uh what what is your response to the act and his assessment?
2:27Yeah, I completely agree. So, a naval blockade is considered an act of war and so it uh it uh breaks the spirit of the ceasefire.
2:36Uh that's point number one. Uh point number two is that um I think Scott Ritter's right in that Trump is trying to negotiate from a position of strength, but I think the more obvious explanation is that Trump and Hexep are not serious about peace at all. Um even though um there is a ceasefire, we're seeing a massive military buildup in the Middle East. Uh when the George H.W. Bush arrives in theater, possibly by Friday, uh the Americans will will have about 600 60,000 troops ready to go for a massive uh invasion of of Iran, which is what a lot of people expect to happen. So, this ceasefire is pure theater. It's just a
3:17pretext to build up forces in the Middle East.
3:21And so, Trump I announced today um that on Wednesday the ceasefire will end. So, that means he's going to start bombing again. They're going to start um what what do you what do you see happening on Wednesday?
3:38So, um the ceasefire does expire on Wednesday. That that that that that doesn't necessarily mean that the bombing will start right away because remember uh the Americans need to get forces in position. They need to stage the forces. And so it's possible that on Wednesday Trump announces another two-week ceasefire. And he doesn't really care what the Iranians say.
4:02Uh because they need time to prepare for the strike. So the Americans use use something called shock and awe. So they want to go in, destroy as much as they can, and then leave with minimal civilian casualties. So they are looking to strike as hard as possible when the time is appropriate.
4:21So uh let me just play you one more clip from uh Scott Ritter saying that if the United States does attack again, because they're stuck in the United States, Trump cannot escalate anymore without having severe consequences rain down upon the Gulf States, right? And so uh if Trump it looks like they're Does it look like to you they're getting ready for a ground a ground invasion?
4:48They've got what, 50, 60,000 troops there now? What what do you think they're getting ready to do?
4:55So uh from a military perspective, if the war escalates, then Americans in round two will use a three-pronged approach, okay? So the first approach will be to try to economically strangle Iran. So the naval blockade will be part of that, but the Americans will also try to seize Kharg Island. They will try to seize the Iranian coastline. And so what the Americans are trying to do is dislodge Iran from the Strait of Hormuz.
5:19Because right now the Iranians can collect um tolls off the Strait of Hormuz. They can export oil from Kharg Island. And so the Americans want to blockade and contain Iran. That's the first pillar.
5:31The second pillar is to stir up ethnic tensions in uh Iran. And the way you do that is you establish forward operating bases in uh ethnic regions like Baluchistan and the Kurdish region. And then you encourage and you arm ethnic insurgents against against the government in in Iran. The third thing, which I think will be the most effective, is you will start you will start to suffocate Tehran, the capital.
5:57You do that by limiting their capacity to access food, water, and electricity.
6:03You basically bomb power plants, you bomb reservoirs, and you you bomb railways. And so, you force the population into submission. And for And if you do these three strategies, the theory is that you will force Iran into a political settlement.
6:17And what what kind of settlement do they want? I mean, it it it seems What What What do you think What does Does Has Trump even said what he wants? He said he he wanted He said he wanted complete um victory or a complete surrender, but what does that What does that mean?
6:35What it means is that the Americans can impose terms. So, what this means is that the Iranians the Iranians will have to surrender their uranium all their uranium.
6:45They will have to surrender their ballistic weapons program. They will have to abandon their proxies, and they will have to install the Shah um as their new leader, American puppet.
6:55So, that Those are the four conditions for surrender. Oh, that really Okay.
7:02See, and what do you think the likelihood of that is?
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7:06>> Zero, right? Yeah, that seems crazy. So, so be so it seems like for for real, they're going to again ask try to uh resume the war the that Donald Trump and the United States is going to resume the war either on Wednesday or after another phony ceasefire, giving them time to I mean, Iran sees what they're doing. They see that they're bringing They know what's coming.
7:32And so, here's what uh Scott Ritter had to say will happen once the United States starts the war again, and I want to get your reaction to it.
7:41Well, the Iranians have made it clear that um they're not going to, you know, start slow and finish fast. Uh they're not going to wait for the United States and Israel to set the uh pace, um which is what they did in the 40 days. The the escalation, the nature of targets, etc.
7:56Uh that were, you know, engaged by Iran were largely defined by the nature of the Israeli-American strikes against Iran. Um here the Iranians, I believe, will start with the notion that uh because the United States is incapable of negotiating good faith that uh you must assume that any military action that's now taken is done to uh eliminate the regime of uh of the um you know, the Islamic Republic. And um therefore, this is an existential war.
8:19Therefore, um just go for the jugular from the start. I think this is what you're going to see. If we start attacking Iran, I think you're going to see Iran hit some Gulf Arab states harder than they've ever been hit. Uh hit Israel very hard, start taking out key infrastructure. And um you know, maybe reach out and touch the United States in a few places as well. Um you know, that that the United States has grown overconfident in terms of operation. But um you know, this is going to be a one-way street.
8:44When the war starts, we will be bombing empty buildings, we will be blowing up bridges and uh railroad tracks that have no fundamental value from a military standpoint. Um and Iran is going to be, you know, striking back with um absolute devastation. Uh and the the defeat will be obvious after the first three days. Uh when, as I said, um perhaps Abu Dhabi, Dubai, maybe another city will be unable to sustain life on the scope and scale necessary to be uh to to retain the stature that they enjoy today. Uh people will be forced to leave, flee by the hundreds of thousands.
9:19So, do you agree with that assessment? I think that's what we've been saying here all along, uh that if Trump escalates uh or resumes this war, that they're going they have the ability to knock out the Gulf States' desalinization pla- plants, and then and game over for them. What do you say?
9:37I completely agree. So, um um the most obvious thing that uh the Iranians can do is close off the Red Sea.
9:44Um and then they can they can strike at uh Gulf energy infrastructure. They can destroy the pipelines. This would knock out 1/3 of the world's uh energy supply.
9:54Uh this would completely destroy the Gulf states. They would no longer be viable.
9:59But the problem is that Americans have made a calculation that this is an acceptable cost. That they are willing to take the risk. And the reason why is that in January, the Trump White House um announced something called the National Security Strategy. And so this is the Pentagon strategy moving forward from the next 5 to 10 years. And that's four major pillars that help help us explain why the world is progressing the way it is in the Middle East. The first major pillar is to secure the Western Hemisphere, American home front. Second pillar is to contain China. Third pillar is to make better use of American allies
10:39to um basically encourage them to participate more in global defense. The fourth pillar is to um ramp up America's wartime industrial production. Okay? And we're all We're already seeing these four pillars play out. So, from an American perspective, the goal is to create Greater North America, um something called the Technate, uh Fortress America.
11:06And then this will become a self-sufficient um perimeter that allows America to sell resources, weapons, and financing to the rest of the world. And what America will do is create balance of power in each different region. So, in East Asia, Japan and China will balance each other out. And they will both become dependent on American armaments, uh American resources, and American financing.
11:31Something will happen in Europe where Russia and Europe, NATO, will balance each each other out and both will will become dependent again on America. And in East Asia, sorry, in West Asia, it will be it will be the Gulf states and Israel versus Iraq.
11:47And this is the this is what's laid out in National Security Strategy. And unfortunately, what we're seeing is the strategy being played out in real time.
11:57So, what what why would what why would China, Japan, Russia what's their move? I don't I can't see them just letting this happen. Do can you?
12:09Right. So, there's only one actual response to America's National Security Strategy. And it is for Russia, Iran, and China to work together to get a continental trade block that can then absorb Africa, the Middle East, and Europe and East Asia and sort of negate American naval power. That's why this war in Iran is happening because Iran is really the pivot. This where Russia's north-south trade corridor runs through. This where Europe's I'm at corridor runs through. This where China's Belt and Road Initiative runs through. So, if you create chaos in Iran, the world is no longer able to trade in Eurasia. And it's completely
12:52dependent on on sea for trade and it needs energy, right? So, basically, what America is trying to do is create as much chaos around the world as possible so that the nations are dependent on American energy.
13:06And again, so what do you think I mean Russia is very oil-rich and uh they have what what do you think what will they do? I mean they'll they'll So, tell me what I mean I'm like like like in the materially, what will they do?
13:28Right. So, what's happening right now is that the Americans are imposing a naval blockade on all on all ocean trade.
13:35Right? So, we're seeing as you mentioned, this Iranian ship returning from China being boarded being basically being like seized and kidnapped by the Americans. We're also seeing Russian shadow fleet tankers being boarded by the Americans as well.
13:51Um we're also seeing this past month oil refineries fires all around the world. So, the most famous case was in Geelong, Australia, where a refinery was suspiciously uh and accidentally uh um on fire destroying Australia's access to jet fuel. We're also seeing fires in Bucharest, Russia uh sorry, Bucharest, Romania, in India, in Myanmar. We're also seeing the Ukrainians start to strike Russian energy infrastructure.
14:22So, what what's happening right now is basically a war over uh energy uh resources between Russia and America.
14:31And we we will see this war expand over the next few years as Russia challenges American dominance in the seas and as both continue to destroy each others energy resources.
14:44So, this this is really going to be world World War III and it's going to be for a while. It's not it's and so this so you know, uh it it's very popular to say that the United States did this war because Donald Trump is um controlled by Benjamin Netanyahu, the Zionists in Israel, but the way I hear you explaining it now, it seems like some kind of bigger long game that the United States is playing for We've talked about the greater North American project here and >> Yes. are uh it is so it was that just kind of a diversion that to blame it on Israel or is that real or has have the has the establishment been planning this
15:29all along and Donald Trump is just their tool?
15:32So, first point is that if you don't believe anything I say, then I then go to the the Pentagon website, the Department of War website and download the National Security Strategy. It is in black and white. It tells you exactly what the plan is. It is to contain China. It is to control Western Hemisphere, something called the Monroe Doctrine, and it is to cannibalize America's allies. Okay, it's very black and white in that paper.
15:57That's the first point. Second point is that um Trump doesn't have the power to do whatever he wants. I mean, he is really the agent or the puppet or the scapegoat for the military-industrial complex.
16:12Um and the third point I will make is that if you just look at history, when empires decline, they behave in this manner where the empire at its height, it rely relies on consent. It relies on soft power. When it declines and its allies turn away from uh the empire, what the empire does is use force, uh use piracy, use pure power. Might becomes right.
16:40Um so, what America's doing right now fits into the classical imperial decline pattern.
16:47Yeah, so, okay. And so, I mean, you said that uh the United States was going to lose this war or get stuck in in a quagmire.
16:59Um do you see this working out? Do you Where Where do you see this heading in the next 3 to 6 months?
17:05Right. So, again, if you just look at like history, these things never work out because there are three problems with this plan. It sounds great on paper, right? Where America um controls of Hemisphere, it has all the resources of the world, it's self-sufficient, the rest of the world is at war and needs to buy American weapons and resources. But, if you look at history, it doesn't really work out for three reasons. The first major reason is corruption, okay? So, America right now is a very corrupt, uh, system and we know because um, when whenever Trump makes an announcement, someone with impeccable
17:39timing is able to short the market and make hundreds of millions of dollars, right? So, when, um, when when Trump announced a ceasefire, um, then someone buys shorts and makes a lot of money off of the oil market. So, this is how this has has been happening a lot, but really the problem in America is the financialization of the system and so people make their money not making things, but by on speculation.
18:07And this is a this is a, um, a pretty common theme in American, um, political system right now. So, you know, Trump has announced $1.5 trillion for the Pentagon and you said this on your show, but most of this money is going to go into corruption. It's going to be stolen, it's, uh, it won't actually go into weapons production. So, that's the first problem, the corruption.
18:29Second problem is political polarization. So, when empires are in decline, they usually split up into different factions that fight, um, um, that fight each other. They they don't care about the consequences for America's position in the world stage, all they are concerned about are domestic politics. So, even though America's at war in Iran, the Democrats continue to snipe at at Trump, uh, and Trump's continue to snipe at at Democrats. So, Trump is much more concerned about the Democrats than he is about winning this war in Iran. So, political polarization is a huge problem in America and it could possibly lead to
19:04a civil war.
19:06Um, that's the second problem. And the third problem is nationalism. When you bully nations like what America is doing right now to the Europeans, right? So, Trump says that he's going to take over Greenland which which has really annoyed the Europeans. He's discussed taking over Mexico, um Canada. Um so, what this does is that it um it galvanizes the people and makes them much more nationalistic. And we can see this and we will we will we will see this happen over the next few years as the the Americans demand more of the of the South Koreans, of the Japanese and this will make them much much more more
19:45nationalistic, much more anti-American.
19:48Same thing will happen in Europe as well. So, these three factors, corruption, uh division, and nationalism ultimately means that the empire will die at the end of the day.
20:00Do Do you have a timeline on that? So, the So, you know, I was before uh this Iranian war, I was just worried about the world stop using the dollar as the reserve currency. That was my big worry and I was just worried about how quickly that was going to happen which is why I we've talked so much about investing in gold and stuff on this show because when the rest of the world stops using the dollar, that it's horrible for for the United States, I mean, and and us and our retirement savings and everything which is tied up in dollars.
20:30Um so, you're talking about What is the end of the So, so, you keep saying this isn't going to work out, right? You You've already delineated the problems with this working. It sounds like a great idea. I hear people say it talk talk about it, but it's it's not going to work. So, what is that Where do you see the United States in say like 5 years?
20:54Sure. So, um there's actually a three-stage uh process when empires decline, okay?
21:01So, in the first stage, the empire lashes out um um and forces it kind of kind of kind of this vassalizes allies, okay? In the first stage, things look great. The US dollar soars, the American economy soars because the world is dependent on LNG from the United States. The reality is that it's possible that Trump goes to China in mid-May and they sign a deal in which China is buying more LNG from America, in which case Trump's going to look like a political genius, right?
21:33Because he's attacking Iran, he's managing to humble China. So, in the in the short term, things look great for the empire because the world is completely dependent on American resources, especially energy, LNG. So, that's the first stage. And but in the second stage >> can you stop me there? Can you stop me there? Sure. The problem is that that plays right into the way American businessmen and our economy thinks. We think in short-term quarterly profits.
22:00We don't build for the long term. And so, Trump probably doesn't care. He'll like, "Look, it'll it'll make the the next two or three the last two years of my presidency look like a victory and I I exit. I'm 82 years old as a victor, right?" Is that that's right?
22:16That's exactly correct. That's exactly the problem. He's only thinking for the next two, three years, which are going to be great for America. But then you But then afterwards, what happens?
22:24Afterwards, what happens is that you're over-leveraged, your your empire is overextended, you're forced to call up a national draft in order to supply the cannon fodder for your empire, your economy is overheated, it's it becomes a huge Ponzi scheme, um, and slowly the rest of the world recognizes that we need we need to we need to unite against America if we are to survive. In the third stage, the world goes to war against America on multiple fronts, the economic front, the diplomatic front, the military front.
23:01And then America recognizes that it cannot actually sustain its empire, and its empire declines and dies.
23:09And so And so that when the empire dies, that means for sure civil war, right, in the United States?
23:16>> Exactly.
23:16Exactly.
23:17For sure. Exactly.
23:20And then we'll we'd have to create a new government, create a new constitution, and all that stuff, right? Well, if we started from scratch, is that how it works?
23:32Um so [clears throat] uh um if you just look at America as an empire, it's most equivalent to Rome.
23:41And when Rome started its civil war process, it never really stopped its civil wars. I mean, you might have an emperor emerge and create a 20-year peace, um but then when he dies, the civil war starts starts again.
23:55And um so the reason why America may fall into a civil war trap, where it is continuous civil war, is that America has no peer competitor in the Western Hemisphere.
24:08And as a result, all the conflicts are internal, not external, right? So, um an empire, when it falls, it's it fights civil wars, but when it's threatened by an external enemy, it it it unifies um against its foe. But America doesn't have a foe. It doesn't have a competitor. So, America could actually descend into hundreds of years of civil war.
24:35And so And so okay, so you you're you're prediction is that in the next few years this will look like a brilliant plan to certain people because the dollar will soar, and China's going to be buying more of our liquid uh gas, and uh but how soon does that end?
24:56And it starts to go the other way.
24:59Um, right. So, I I think it's entirely possible that if Trump pulls this off and uh he succeeds, he might get a third term. Um, and so I think you know, for the next 2 to 3 years, um this plan will look really really strategic and genius. But again, this is how all all all empires behave when they decline. So, uh this is a natural process.
25:27Um, so So, you say it's we're not going to break off into civil war and fragmentation for at least not not what, 5 years?
25:4010? Right. Yeah. So, I think this the civil war the process begins if Trump gets his third term. Right? So, I say a Trump third term because if you want to carry this plan out to fruition, uh you need a pretty stable continuity of agenda. Right? So, it's entirely possible that if Trump leaves office in 2028, the Democrats come to power and they change this plan, which would create complete chaos.
26:06Um, so you need a continuity of agenda.
26:09You need basically a monarch in place in order to implement the strategy.
26:13Um, and if that were the case, this would cause create a constitutional crisis and this would be the basis for civil war.
26:21So, if you see this coming Um, so clearly and history says this is what's coming, the people in Europe must know it's coming, but why do you think they they're not reacting in the way a rational uh government would react knowing this is coming. They seem to be almost in a sense going along with Trump. They're doubling down on their war with Russia for for for who knows why.
26:48What what what what what why is what what's Europe's role in all this and why are they doing it like they're doing?
26:55Right. So, another characteristic of an empire decline is the over bureaucratization of society. The over the over what? The over bureaucratization.
27:04Sorry, the bureaucratization of society, the bureaucracy. Right? You you create an imperial bureaucracy.
27:10>> Is that what you're saying?
27:10>> Yeah, sorry. Okay.
27:12You create an imperial bureaucracy that becomes a bubble onto itself, right? So, if you go to Washington D.C., I'm sure you've been to Washington D.C. It's a bubble. Right? And they they it's the richest place in the world. They could care less about what happens uh in the rest of America and in the rest of the world. Same thing in uh Europe where you have an imperial bureaucracy in Brussels. So, people in Brussels just care about collecting their paycheck, collecting their pension, and they they want to just keep their jobs. And so, they're going to go with with the flow.
27:42And they become completely divorced from reality, right? That's why you've you've seen in these past 10 years this massive surge of immigration into Europe, even though Europe itself cannot um sustain this immigration.
27:57And the response to criticism is to silence critics, right? So, in Europe, um if you're a criminal, you're much more you're much less likely to get visited by the police than if you criticize the rise of crime on social media, right?
28:14So, if you um make a a criticism on social media, you're much more likely to visit get visited by the police than if you actually commit a a real crime. So, that So, Europe is uh I think it's basically become a dumpster fire.
28:27Um it's a much more advanced stage of decline than than America.
28:33So, basically just you know, people looking out for again, short-term thinking, people looking out for their own self-interest, not their country's interest, not the long-term interests.
28:45And uh and so, is is it the is it the strength of the military the the international military-industrial complex that uh that they they they get more and they're doubling down on the war in Ukraine.
29:00They're doubling down on Is Is that just what it is? And Yes. Okay. And And so, Because, you know, Julian Assange said it best. The point is not to have successful wars. The point is to have never-ending wars. Because what wars do is they transfer taxpayer money into the pockets of a transnational elite. And that's the very That's the point of war today. It's not to win wars. It's to have wars.
29:26I It's just I mean, I'm I still can't I'm, you know, I'm I'm I'm kind of shocked, right? That there isn't some, you know, there's no sober voices um inside the United You know, there's like maybe Thomas Massie, maybe Rand Paul, but there's no like group of people that It's all just I mean, I've been I guess I shouldn't be surprised cuz I've been saying it for years now that the United States is not just a little corrupt like Joe Biden gives his kid a no-show job, and Trump gives his his kid a deal with Saudi Arabia, but it's 100% corrupt. Like, they're all corrupt. No When they get a session of
30:05Congress, they're not there doing the bidding I've said this a million times.
30:08They're not doing the bidding of students or workers or the elderly or trying to fix the infra- They're They're They're just doing the bidding How can we extract wealth from the taxpayers and put it into the pockets of the people you just described, the the the the WEF international elite, the globalists, and that's That's what so I guess I shouldn't be surprised, right? I guess that's what I'm saying.
30:33Right. So, another issue that people don't really discuss is the aging problem in America, where the leadership in Washington D.C. have aged um a great a great deal, right? The baby boomers are still in in, um, in control.
30:48Think of how many presidents are baby or baby boomers, right? You had, um, Bill Clinton, uh, George W. Bush, uh, Obama, uh, Biden. I mean, like Trump, I mean, I mean, the baby boomers have been having it in in command for a long, long time.
31:03What we know is that when a population ages, the elite, they become much more authoritarian, right? So, if you're an if you're an old person, you're in your 80s, what you care about is living for as long as possible. You care a lot about germs. You care about, uh, keeping keeping the streets clean. And that And so, you you you basically want a more authoritarian society. And that's why I think a lot of young people today are are so, um, um, pessimistic about the future.
31:32Uh, do you put any credence So, there's there's a there you know, there's a lot of, uh, theories out there that COVID was a depopulation agenda because the international, uh, bankers and the WEF types, they realized that they can't sustain the the the aging populations. And so, they they did this vax, uh, which has uh, it's completely toxic. And it had the negative it has negative efficacy. And uh, they had to rig all the numbers in the systems. Like, for instance, they didn't If you died within 14 days of getting your vax, they considered you unvaccinated, even though it's it there there could be a correlation between you
32:19dying from the vax. So, they they had to do all that. So, do you do you put any credence into that theory that there is this, uh, kind of cuz it was a global phenomena that they it wasn't just the United States, it was everywhere, except for maybe Africa.
32:34Um, so, do you do you think that that there's any credence to that idea that the the people in con- control, really the handful of billionaires that run the world, really did want a depopulation agenda?
32:47Um if that that were their plan, I'd be very impressed. Um I don't think that they're that smart, and I don't think they're that strategic. Um I think that COVID happened because the baby boomers were are really afraid of germs. And that's why you have these these global lockdowns because the baby boomers insisted on um on um on on everyone sitting at home. So, the best the nation that best responded to COVID was Sweden. Because the epidemiologists in Sweden said that you can't stop a virus. It's impossible. So, what what So, we're not going to disrupt the economy, we're not we're not going to disrupt schooling, but we will
33:30protect our vulnerable people, which includes people with diseases, which includes the elderly population. Which is basically [clears throat] the Barrington Declaration.
33:39Basically. Basically. And it worked very well for Sweden. Their economy was not as impacted as the rest of the world.
33:46But having gotten away with COVID lock- with the COVID lockdowns, we can expect that the elite will use this strategy again if a crisis were to emerge, right?
33:57So, they're they're not strategic, but they're opportunistic. They don't think ahead, but they see the benefits of certain strategies. So, if this war were to continue, you we can imagine lockdowns because of the energy crisis.
34:12Yeah, so that's what I'm thinking. So, that's why they they'll be able to um People have already talked about it that there's going to be energy lockdowns, and then they're going to have uh surveillance, and they're going to let you know how much energy you're allowed to use, and once you exceed that, they're going to cut you off, they're going to stop your car, they're going to stop all that kind of And do you see you see that happening?
34:34Yes, it's it's all part of a plan, right? The Technate calls for a technocracy. What is What is a technocracy? A government ruled by AI.
34:42That's why America's building all these data centers, even though they cost a lot of money. They don't really actually make any turn any profit, right? So, if if you're if you are a company like Open AI, like the more subscribers you have, the more money you lose, because it actually costs you more money to have subscribers than you can generate profit for them. But, you have Operation Stargate in place, $500 billion to build data centers all all across America. So, why would they do that? And the answer is the Technate technocracy. The answer is you eventually you're moving towards an empire.
35:14You need to create an AI surveillance state.
35:17Digital currency, digital ID.
35:22And it's And it it helps you do a national draft. Helps you control the people. It helps you ration energy and food.
35:30And And so, how Do you see Do you see a way to to to turn this around? Or is this already This is in the cards because history dictates and and they've Is there Is there I mean, is it could could there be a charismatic leader who turns this around for the United But, they would just kill him, right?
35:57Yeah, so I don't think this plan will work out, because the empire is in decline.
36:02They're desperate, right? So, they want a national draft. They want a AI controlled grid.
36:10This is all part of their plan. But, the people in charge aren't that bright and they're not that effective. And I think this is all going to blow up in their face, because I think the American people are much more resilient, much more creative than they believe. It's worked out in China. If you come to China, I'll show you around. We have AI surveillance. We have AI digital currency and digital ID, and it's worked out well in China. But the Chinese people are a different breed.
36:38The American people love freedom. They love liberty, and I think I think that Americans would rather fight than surrender their their liberty.
36:47And so So now I now I'm hearing you say another like so there is a chance that the the American people, because we do value our freedom, uh although you couldn't tell, you know, half the country certainly didn't during COVID. Uh they they were willing to accept the every single restriction on their freedom and including uh you know, fascist Nazi-like impositions of making people forcing people to take experimental medical treatments.
37:16Uh so you so you you you think that it that that the answer to this lies in the mass of people coming together?
37:24So yeah, the COVID lockdowns were bad in America, but they were nowhere nowhere near as bad as that in China or Canada, right? In Canada, there were the trucker protests. And these were just people who wanted a meeting with Justin Trudeau because they had questions about the vaccine mandate, and instead they were deep banned. If you if you actually gave a dollar to the truckers, you also deep banned. So So Canada is far more authoritarian than uh the United States. Uh in the United States, if you didn't like the vaccine mandate, you move somewhere else. You you move to a red state that didn't have
37:53these vaccine mandates. You couldn't do that in China. You can do that in Canada. You can do that in Europe. So I think that that um America is really the best hope for the world. Unfortunately, the people in charge, even though they're not that strategic, even though they're not that smart, they are pretty evil. So we can imagine that they will um uh promote false flag operations. They will promote civil wars in order to justify the use of a AI surveillance state.
38:23And so So you see us you see our empire in decline. It might work for the next couple of years.
38:32And when you say Trump will get a third term, you you mean they'll amend the Constitution to make that happen?
38:39Right. So I actually don't know the legal technicalities here. But what I do understand is that there's actually nothing in the Constitution that prevents Trump from from running as vice president in 2028 and having his son Don Jr. run at the top of the ticket. And then when they win in 2028 [clears throat] by rigging the election, then Trump can then Don Jr. can just abdicate and and then Trump will will be the president again for the next 8 years.
39:06I know I never thought of that. Isn't that funny? I never thought that he would run as vice president.
39:12That seems so sinister. Um So So you don't predict a collapse like by the end of the 2026 or 27 or even 28, but Um do don't you Do you think that So we'll We're We're going to we're moving into a multipolar world then, right?
39:34>> So the world right now it's over-leveraged, it's overextended. We've mortgaged the future in order to enjoy the present. An example is that right now the population of the earth is about 8 billion people. But that's being supported by fertilizers, by oil, by medicine. So if the world were to deglobalize and de-urbanize, then people would would lack access to fertilizers and cheap energy. And this would mean that we would see a steep population decline over next 10 years.
40:09Okay. Yeah, I mean I've I've seen videos recently of you know, people from the Club of Rome talking about this decades ago that we can't sustain we can only sustain maybe one or two billion people on this planet.
40:25>> And I just can't believe that like this so how come this stuff doesn't get taught in schools? How come people don't talk about this in colleges? How come it's taken Donald Donald Trump to make this these kind of conversations come to the surface? Do you have any theory on that?
40:44Well, I mean schools public schools were created to brainwash you to indoctrinate you. I know because I've worked in education reform for the past 20 years.
40:52So I know how screwed up the school system is. There's one word you're not you're never allowed to say in education reform. I've been to a lot education conferences around the world and no one ever talks about the elephant in the room which is the idea of meritocracy.
41:05Why is it that you have a hierarchy in the school system where if you're smart you're allowed to go to a good school but you're dumb you're not allowed to go to school at all? And the reason is control. The reason is indoctrination.
41:18The people who graduate from the Ivy League and I know cuz I went to Yale are the biggest ass kissers in the world.
41:23They're not smarter than you. They're not better than you. They just happen to suck up to authority better than than you. And that and that's just the nature of the school system that we have today.
41:34That is true.
41:36I've yes, I've noticed the people that came from Ivy League schools to Hollywood and they ex they excel quickly and it's through ass kissing. They know exactly how to do it. They know exactly how who's ass to kiss and it it it I've I've noticed it in my own little corner of Hollywood.
41:56Um sorry sorry Jimmy. If you you spend like like a week at Yale going to classes you'd be shocked by the level of education at Yale and Harvard. You'd be like, "Oh my god.
42:10These are the smartest people in the world? Oh my god, this is the level of elite education that we have today.
42:16You'll be shocked.
42:18Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean I you know, again, I I always claim that, you know, I was a C student and I was because I wasn't interested in school at all. And um but but yeah, when I meet these people, they I'm not I'm not as impressed as I should be.
42:34Uh that that's that's for sure. And um especially >> But but you know what? What I admire about you, Jimmy, is that even though you're a C student, you're still curious, you're open-minded, uh you appreciate debate, you ask good questions. And you that's that's a secret to learning in life.
42:54I'm so I'm still can Let me just switch the subject just a little bit for a second.
43:00I'm still shocked. Uh I'm I'm constantly shocked.
43:06I'll never stop being shocked at the people who got everything wrong during COVID. Not only did they get it wrong, but they tried to they embraced authoritarianism to shut other people up like me who were just asking questions because I noticed something and I was asking relevant questions that they were afraid. So, they're not afraid they're afraid of the questions. And these people still today will call Ivermectin horse paste. Or they'll still swear by the the vaccine. They'll still call people anti-vax even even though we know what a failure that COVID vaccine was, they they still like as as if it's 5
43:45years ago.
43:46Uh and these are, you know, relatively intelligent people in every other way.
43:51And they still it's like they're going out of their way to stay ignorant. And Have you noticed that? And what what is >> Yes.
44:00Yes. Yes, I I I want to yell. So, I I encounter this all the time.
44:05Um but you know, in 1950s, C. Wright Mills wrote a book called The Power Elite. And he described the structure of power in America. And he makes a very interesting point in the book, which is like, it's not the elite, the power elite, that are most dedicated to the system. It's the intellectual class, the um um you know, the the chattering class, the professors, the intellectuals, the the journalists, who are most dedicated to the system, because these are the parasites of the system. And they understand that they um their power comes from the proximity to the the elite. And so, they are the most vocal
44:41about protecting uh the legitimacy of the system, as as well as the elite, okay? So, these journalists, these intellectuals, uh these professors, these academics, they're most dedicated to maintaining COVID, because they believe that by doing so, that's what allows them to maintain their power. These think about what AI could do. With the coming of AI, the people um these uh white-collar people are most at risk, right? These lawyers, these accountants, these teachers, these AI can just do what what they do at a at a cheaper cheaper price.
45:13So, they need they need to be able to justify their existence, you know, their high their high salaries, their very um easy lifestyle, where a professor works like 6 months 6 months of the year. They do that by trying to impose authority on the common mass. And since saying, you know, you see, we are useful because we can control the the masses. But the reality is that with the rise of social media, with the rise of shows like like like yours, they can no longer do so.
45:41And that's why they're so desperate.
45:42That's why they're they're so anxious.
45:43And that's why they're so authoritarian today.
45:46So, it's um who is the staff? Didn't we have uh Who is that female Chinese author who wrote that 40-page book and she talked about this. Uh I don't know if you're familiar with her. Talked about the the class the professional class. She's talked about the the professional professional managerial class.
46:08Yes, exactly. Exactly.
46:10>> what you're talking about right now. And she And she noticed the exact same thing, right? It's that they became the And I like to call them, you know, they're they're supposed to be >> Katherine Liu. Katherine Liu, that's who it was. And Yes, yeah, yes, yes.
46:23And so, you know, I I I call them illiberal. They talk about they're liberals, right? And they're supposed to be a liberal and conservative. There is no liberals anymore in the United States. They're all The people who consider themselves liberals don't realize that they become the most illiberal people in in the world. And that Go ahead.
46:42>> only interested in maintaining their privileges, right? Again, these are people who don't really work. They just spend all their time talking and like uh projecting authority.
46:53And they have like the easiest life.
46:55They're They're basically parasites. And so, they need to maintain uh their existence. They need They need to like um legitimize their their lifestyle.
47:06Well, I'll tell you, you know, speaking to this point. So, you know, I've gotten into Jungian psychology over the last 6 years.
47:14And, you know, it's completely changed my life and outlook on things completely. And I used to be an atheist, and now I understand that that was incorrect. And what I've done So, I uh once a week, I would talk to this uh Jungian psychiatrist or a psychologist, and um he would help interpret my dreams. And because you need someone else to do that for you. And And um recently, and so I only would have an hour, and we'd only get through maybe one or two dreams. And I have lots of dreams. I have three or four dreams a night, right? And so, it was And I can't afford to do more than one session a week cuz they're expensive They They
47:54charge a lot of money. And so, uh what I've started to do recently in the last few weeks is to use Grok. And I'll put in my dream and well, as soon as I wake up, I put it in Grok and I say, "Please use Union analysis and tell me what this means." And then I and it it is unbelievable.
48:13Unbelievable and it's on point. And then I'll I'll instead of using a starting a different thread, I keep it in this I go, "Do these dreams go together?" And there's and Grok is showing me how a dream from 2 weeks ago connects with the dream I had last night and how all the ones in and they connect all of the and that is so much more uh uh conclusive or I don't know um encompassing than I get from a So, I'm I'm experiencing this in my real life.
48:46Like, I don't know if I need my Union psychologist anymore because I'm getting this done when in way better time I get more time with it anyway and it's much more encompassing. And so, would that be that's what kind of what you're talking about and what Catherine was talking about, right?
49:04Yes. I mean, like we're seeing like the collapse of the elite intellectual class, right? So, we look at the New York Times. Like, who reads New York Times nowadays, right? It's these boomers that read the read New York Times.
49:15>> Bill Maher [laughter] reads it.
49:16>> Right. So, so all they do is just is just appeal to the boomer class with these talking points of empire.
49:24Um and the rest of the rest the rest of the population is turning off, right?
49:29So, we're we're seeing a lot of desperation and anxiety among the intellectual elite.
49:34Uh Where do you Right. So, um Israel it has um it I mean, it's a crazy place, right?
49:51I mean, like they don't mind going to war with the world because that's just part of their eschatology. That That's They believe that if they go to the to war with the world, then the Messiah will come and lead them to victory.
50:06So, um Israel has descended into this fanatical religious outlook, and it's not going to get better. It's It's going to get worse and worse. And we can see that Israel will eventually draw Turkey into this war. This will become a regional conflagration.
50:26Um but, at the same time, as long as the United States supports Israel, then Israel will continue to um dominate the the Middle East. And if if the United States were to lose this war, then CENTCOM would be incorporated into the greater Israel project. Um so, I think that Israel will continue to rise.
50:52Well, I I really don't see You know, when you say if the United States were to lose this war, um it's it's it's Iran is going to wipe out the Gulf States if the United States continues this war, which it looks like they're going to. So, the Gulf States will be Like, how do they not I can see this.
51:12How can they not see this, and why aren't they taking steps to do anything about it?
51:18Well, because if you're um the UAE, uh you're in a very tough pickle, right?
51:23Because um option one is that you want the United States to leave the uh Middle East, in which case Iran becomes a top dog, and now you you have to you have to pay um reparations to Iran for the war because the Americans destroyed a lot of infrastructure. They killed the supreme leader, and the uh Iranians will want about a trillion dollars in reparations.
51:48And they can't exact that from the United States because the United States is an ocean away, but they can certainly demand that of the UAE, right? So, that's option one. Option two is you fight this war to the bitter end because there's a chance that the United States defeats Iran.
52:07In which case, you can continue to do what what you do, which is to be like, you know, this money money laundering operation for the world. Um, so those are your two options.
52:17Um, and they're not great options, but option two has a you know, option two is it's a better pay off pay off than option one.
52:26Like what Like I I don't Let's say I was the Saudi prince.
52:31Uh, my big idea, I mean, again, uh, C student here, but I would get all the Gulf states together and form an alliance with China, and Russia, and Iran.
52:42And that that that wouldn't that be? And then you know, Europe would probably follow suit, see what see which way the wind is blowing. I don't know. Is Is that stupid of me to say those things?
52:55Right. So, the issue is that these Gulf states are creation of empire. Yeah.
53:00Meaning that, you know, 50-60 years ago, these were not uh, prosperous places.
53:06And because of the petrodollar, uh, because America was willing to provide defense to the GCC, and because America um, was able to support the GCC economies, they prospered and they urbanized. So, they're essentially vassals of America. If America were to leave uh, the the Middle East, then the the people would probably uh, rise up and and overthrow the elite because they are corrupt.
53:33Um, they are pretty evil people.
53:36And they're incompetent as well.
53:38And and so I get it that that that even makes it make more sense for them to try to get rid of Israel, the United States, and create an alliance with the other two superpowers in the world, being China and Russia, and then, of course, you know, the strategic power, which is Iran. I I It just Again, I don't understand why they they The end of the road is obvious. Iran is going to wipe them out. They're going to be wiped out, right? Am I wrong about this? How How do they How do they get through the next year?
54:11So, there's a conspiracy theory that the Saudi royal family are crypto Jews.
54:16Um I'm not I'm not sure if you've come across this theory.
54:19>> I haven't.
54:19>> 2003 Right. So, 2003 uh the Americans went to Baghdad and they took control of the government and they had access to all of the intelligent files of Saddam Hussein. And And they Saddam Hussein and his people were actually convinced that the Saudi royal family uh are crypto Jews. Okay? So, let me explain what I mean by that.
54:40So, the House of Saud came into power because of their alliance with the Wahhabi religious movement. And both are creation of the British Empire in order to destabilize the Ottoman uh Empire. And at this time in history, this this is like the 19th century, uh early 20th century, the British were working very closely with with people called the Donmeh in uh the Ottoman Empire. The Donmeh are crypto Jews.
55:06These are followers of Sabbatai Zevi, who declared himself the Jewish Messiah in 1666.
55:12And on the surface, they are they are they believe in Islam, but at home, secretly, they still practice their Jewish faith. And these are called the Donmeh. And these are the people who sponsored the Young Turk movement uh to overthrow the Ottoman Empire and establish the Republic of Turkey. So, these are people who run Turkey uh today. And a faction of them uh worked very closely with the British, and the British installed them throughout the Gulf states including the UAE and including Saudi Arabia. So So that's a conspiracy theory, okay? I don't have have any evidence. Uh but that's what a lot of people believe happened and
55:46that's why the UAE and Saudi Arabia are so close with Israel and that's why they're so supportive of American empire.
55:54I Well, no, I haven't. I haven't uh Why do they call them crypto Jews?
56:00Because they are secretly Jews. They're they're not like they they they convert to Christianity or Islam on the surface, right? They They on the surface, outside in public, they do everything that um that a Muslim or a Christian would do, but at home, among their close circle, they still practice the Kabbalah.
56:20Oh.
56:22And so what what do you make I I've asserted this many times on the show that the greatest trick Zionists have pulled off was to get Christians to believe their number one enemy were Muslims, whereas the Muslim world actually venerates Jesus, the Mother Mary, as the opposite of what the Jewish culture does. And uh would you agree with that assessment?
56:45I completely agree. So before the before the creation of the state of Israel, the Jews and the Muslims got along really really well. In fact, the second largest um Jewish population in the Middle East outside of Israel is actually in Iran, in Tehran.
56:59>> Yeah. Right? So So the Muslims have made a point of welcoming Jews uh because they they see Jews as a holy people along um and and so in the year 1492, the Spaniards expelled the Jews from Spain, right? And it was the Ottoman Turks, the Ottoman Empire, that sent ships to help the Jews move to the Ottoman Empire.
57:25So the Jews were expelled from Christian Europe and they moved to the Ottoman Empire where they were welcomed with open arms.
57:33Okay. Uh Um So And look, look, if you if you just look at these extreme Islamic movements, uh including ISIS, including the Wahhabis, they were clearly creations of the Anglo-American empire. Clearly.
57:51>> All right, you look at ISIS, they never attacked Israel for whatever reason.
57:54>> Clearly. All right, they attacked everywhere else in the Middle East, but they never attacked Israel.
57:58100% I've been making that point uh for quite a while now. Yes, that uh well, look who's the head of Syria right now, installed by Israel and the United States. It's the former head uh chief head chopper of Al-Qaeda. And he was he's working hand in hand with Benjamin Netanyahu. In fact, he's publicly said he wants to be in partnership with that this is so it's just so obvious. And the you know, the people in America are such suckers.
58:25And that uh you know, it's one thing to be suckered, it's another thing to keep being suckered. And the the the the you know, so and I and it just people you weren't allowed So, again, the thing about when you're not allowed to question something, like you weren't allowed to question 9/11. And now I know that 9/11 was not what it seemed to be at all. It was not what it It was the They needed a 9/11 so they could go and do what they're doing. And this was all part of the greater Israel project. What people don't realize is that as you brought mention, there's a greater North America project, and it's going to
58:59Technate state. And we we've talked about this on this So, this all So, the only way to kind of save Western civil or the world right now is for the American people to wake up to this, right? And do you think they will? Or what do you think? What do What does history tell us?
59:21Um so, the only hope for the world right now is the American people, uh because the people in charge, the elite, they've colonized so many different parts of the world. Like China is a colony of of the elite of of the national elite. But people don't recognize this. But China is very subservient to the global elite.
59:40Um, Europe, Canada, Um, so the best hope for the world is the American people recognize what's happening and they resist. And quite honestly, there's one movement in America right now that has the most uh, promise and that's MAGA. Right? So if Tucker Carlson were to run for president of the United States and MAGA were to fully unify behind him, then I think there's hope for the world.
60:06Yeah, I would I don't know if I would call it MAGA because the the the the MAGA has been completely uh, flipped on what it was when Donald Trump became president. It was it was made up of people like Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens and Dave Smith and and even Joe Rogan and Theo von and that's all gone. Now it's all the people who were never MAGA are now what Donald Trump refers to as MAGA. So I wouldn't I would say the former uh, iteration of MAGA which Tucker Carlson could very easily lead and he's very good at um, you know, bringing people together now which is crazy. Um, and and now, you know, looking through the
60:46you know, looking backwards, you see how he was demonized only when he started to do the right thing.
60:52The the the establishment loved him, the left always hated him because divide and conquer is what the establishment does.
60:58But um, now now they he got in trouble uh, with his bosses when he started to see through it and he saw through the you know, the empire and he saw he saw through uh, the war machine and you can't do that and that's why he's got he he got kicked out of uh, you know, his establishment position.
61:22Um, do you what do you So, do you do you think that that's Let's say Tucker Carlson ran for president, wouldn't they just kill him?
61:33Um, you know, um, I I I'm most impressed with Tucker Carlson and not only do do I do I do I think his heart is in the right place, as you say, he's been the most consistent anti-war voice in in mainstream American media for the longest time.
61:48Um, and that's very brave of him.
61:50Um, but I also think he has a very good read on the political winds in America.
61:56He's also like an American patriot. He loves America deeply in his heart. Um, and so I think there are a lot of people in Washington D.C. who secretly support him, right? I mean, like there I I I I don't think that uh everyone in Washington D.C. is corrupt and willing us to sell out. I I think there are a lot of people in Washington D.C. who are just hoping that a leader emerges that can represent um the true America the true America who who who restore America to its former greatness. And um I I I I I would not be surprised if there are a lot of people in the deep state um itself who are very supportive of
62:39um a resurgent America under Tucker Tucker Carlson.
62:45And so, the the more I uh uh look at things, the more I'm convinced that Donald Trump's uh assassination attempts were faked and they were inside jobs, especially Butler, Pennsylvania.
63:01Uh, and the and the key uh piece of evidence is that Donald Trump is not interested in who actually tried to do that, the conspiracy behind it. It's just a lone nut who was able to somehow uh get through all >> [laughter] >> There, why why aren't they watching the roofs? Nobody's watching the roof of Butler, Pennsylvania, even though the crowd saw him. Same thing with Charlie Kirk. There's a roof. There's a guy on the roof for at least a couple of minutes with a rifle, and nobody in the security saw him. That's That's impossible, right? Um so this Do you Do you Do you I know So I am convinced uh that Donald Trump was in on
63:40that uh that Butler, Pennsylvania thing, and um what do you think about it?
63:46Well, it certainly helps us I understand why there's a disparity between the first term and the second term, right?
63:52So in the first term, uh all of Washington was unified against Trump.
63:56They tried to sabotage him from day one with this Russia uh gate hoax.
64:00Uh the mainstream media was clearly against uh Trump. So when Trump ordered the American troops out of Syria, he was just ignored by the military.
64:09>> Yes. Um you know, you you had the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mark Milley, call the Chinese and say, "Hey, don't listen to what this guy says. We're in charge." That's treason. Yeah. Right? Um And And so in the first term, there were a lot of leaks. There were a lot of turnover.
64:28Uh in the second term, you see a lot more discipline. You see Trump actually carrying out a plan. And so uh it's entirely possible that what happened was that um at the end of at the end of his first term, the deep state um there were many um political factions that tried to destroy Trump once and for all, right? So January 6th was clearly a staged operation by the FBI, in my opinion.
64:51Clearly. And then after he left office, there was the raid the FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago. There was lawfare. They tried to bankrupt him. They tried to put him in prison. They tried to remove him from the ballot box. And he was really in a lot of trouble. So at that point, he had no choice but to make a deal with the deep state saying that, you know, "Look, Biden is useless. Uh Putin's going to uh control the world if we continue to have Biden in the office, but Biden's not going to like leave office voluntarily. So, like let's make a deal. Like we'll we'll we'll allow you to go back into office. Um and but you
65:25have to promote our agenda, which is the American Empire agenda.
65:30And maybe Butler, Pennsylvania was a ritual in order to seal the deal, right?
65:37Because if you actually look at the specifics of the assassination, where um Trump's ear was bleeding and he didn't have a shoe, that actually fits into a biblical description of like a of a prophet or or a Messiah. And it it it's in the Bible. It I believe it's it's in Leviticus, right? So, not only was it staged, but it was staged as a religious ritual in order to anoint Trump to be the avatar or the a way to escape goat for the deep state.
66:14Same thing with Charlie Kirk's public assassination they had to do with publicly, right? That was also some kind of ritual killing, correct?
66:21>> Yes.
66:21Yes, that that that is correct, yes.
66:23Yeah, there there are a lot of ritual aspects to to that to that assassination.
66:27And where where where do these rituals come from? Do are you can you speak to it?
66:33Um so, I don't know the specifics, but I imagine these are free Freemasonic rituals that involve the Kabbalah.
66:44Um and they're are are part of the Freemasonic mythology, right? So, if you look look at the JFK assassination, you look at the Charlie Kirk assassination, these are all come from a certain mythology in in the Freemason world.
67:03Yeah. Um did did you You about the So, Candace Owens has been saying that the you know, the the Charlie Kirk's assassination was a military operation, which it's clear that they were certainly involved.
67:19And the freak out over her discovering the Fort Huachuca connection was again proof of this.
67:27Um and then did you hear that uh So, they all were there was maroon lots of single individuals wearing maroon at the event with Charlie Kirk's assassination. And then that's the color of the French military. And then she's saying that that there was a Masonic Lodge uh made up of ex-French military that the French government just recently charged them as being a an assassination ring. Did you hear about that? And this fits into that perfectly, right?
67:59Yeah. So, this one I surprised me. Um also, we have to remember like this happened in Utah, which is where the Mormons are. Yes. The Mormons are are very important part of the deep state.
68:08So, so this is probably an operation that involved a lot of of different deep state factions.
68:15Yes. So, coming together wasn't just one. It wasn't just the Mossad. It wasn't just the CIA. It wasn't just the French military. It was the the Mormons that all those and all those people can get and Donald Trump and Dan Bongino and Cash Patel are completely aware of of this happening and they know that if they try to go against it, they're going to end up like Charlie Kirk themselves, right?
68:42Yes. And um Um we know what happened after what after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, right? There's there's no longer any major opposition uh towards this war in Iraq. Right. He was the only one. I mean, he well, he he was certainly the most powerful one because he had a following and he had all all the conservatives under 30. So, they had to get rid of them and that's definitely what happened.
69:05>> not compromise on this issue. He would not compromise on this issue. I mean, he would he went on on and for a long long time, right? Uh starting with the um with last year's uh 12-day war. I mean, he went he went to White House and talked to Trump directly and said, you know, you got to stop this.
69:22And do you think that's when the I think that's when the decision was made to get rid of them and they tried one more time to bribe them in his meeting uh at the Hamptons and he turned it down and that was like they they had already the plan was already in progress to kill him, but they were like, well, let's try one more time. And they they didn't work. He turned down their money and you know, of course his uh it it and and in retrospect, his wife Erica Kirk, it's obvious she was put in his life. She was a she's their whole life were you know, she's a 17-year-old beauty queen somehow working with trap
70:00the king in Romania. It just none of it. And so, you know, what I say is if the CIA had a vagina, she came out of it. And um it and everybody around him from Tyler Covid to uh I mean, Tyler Bowden to Andrew Covid, Mikey McCoil, his father all those pastors, it's a it's one big swamp, right? That's the swamp.
70:23Well, that's what the Epstein files teaches us, right? I mean, these are extremely depraved people.
70:30And what do you By by the way, what do you make of the journ the journalists uh who had really great reputations up until the yeah, the the the Epstein files and now it they it seemed to be and you know, it's like it whether it's whether it's Epstein himself or uh what whether it's uh is Epstein dead or what whether it's the files uh you see people like Michael Shellenberger E might Matt Taibbi, um What do you What do you make What do you make of that? Like them trying to dismiss what everyone sees.
71:07Yeah, I mean, I've been a huge fan of Matt Taibbi's for the longest time starting with the 2008 2008 great financial crisis. He did amazing reporting in Rolling Stone and I've been following his work for the past decade.
71:19I'm a huge admirer of his work. And I don't have I don't have any any clue as to why he did what he did. Um you know, there are theories that the IRS visited him and um that might have has has something to do with it. But usually in these cases, what happens is that you So you associate certain group of people, they become your friends, you spend weekends together, you go on cruises together, your kids know each other, and you just want to stay in that circle, right? And And staying And staying in that circle just means you have to conform to the talking points.
71:54You think that's it?
71:57That is a possibility.
71:59Um I think that you and I are able to do what we do because uh I imagine uh I I I don't know about you, but um we are marginal We're we're we're we're very much marginalized in society. Yeah, of course. To say the least. Yes, I I certainly on my part.
72:15Very very marginalized and uh I I got a good taste of it during Force the Vote when I presented this idea that the whole left is supposed to be rallying around for decades, which they were, and then as soon as it became a possibility, they turned on me and they came at me as hard as possible and tried to discredit me, you know, in every every which way. They still do it to today. And not only that, but they got uh you know, useful idiots, people who I've known all my life to go along with it, which And when they got nothing out of it.
72:48Right? [laughter] Which is to accept they just got brainwashed and they were And Go ahead.
72:53And you were completely vindicated on force the vote. I mean you were right.
72:56Because we we probably said the same thing, right?
73:00Say it again. And we Yeah, when the Republicans had McCarthy wanting to be speaker, they did exactly what we were advocating the the squad to do for force the vote and it worked like a charm for them. They got everything they wanted.
73:12Exactly. Exactly. So it just shows you what a fraud AOC is.
73:16Yeah, 100% but she's I you know, I I believe she'll probably be the nominee or the vice presidential nominee going in 2028. So there's no there's no voting our way out of this. Well, I've known this now for a while and um and you say that the you think that the original Maga coalition coalition the people like Tucker Carlson, the Candace Owens, the the if they can somehow find a way to organize and come together, but doesn't that involve you need labor, right?
73:47Uh what do you mean by by labor? By you need unions.
73:52Right. Um yes. Um but unions have been decimated in America, right? I mean like they're no longer as powerful as they used to be.
74:02I- is that correct? Yeah, 100% less than 10% of the workers are are in unions and most of them are government union government workers. But well, I you know, I said like if the if the railroads uh that we almost had a railroad strike here and then Joe Biden and the Democrats interceded to make it illegal for them to go on strike. And if they would have, they would have won that strike immediately and it would have empowered workers across the country, which is why they had to make it illegal. And so if if you get so let's for instance, if you got the railroad workers to actually not go to work, that would that that would
74:37capitalism in America. If you got the port workers to do the same. If you got the the people who work at the Amazon fulfillment centers or if you got the UPS drivers, if you got even like one of them, but if you got them all together, that would be that would be it and that's how you have to take over the country. That's what I think. You have to stop capitalism and that's how you gain power. Kind of like what Go ahead.
75:03Sorry, sorry. Yeah, I I didn't think of this before, but you convinced me. The key is labor, right? Because AI can replace actually the white collar class, teachers, professors, accountants, lawyers. They can be replaced actually pretty easily.
75:17But you need labor. You need essential workers. You need people actually do the real work.
75:21And we know this from COVID, right?
75:23Where during COVID, you know, these people shut down work, but the everyone else could just sit at home on their lap and and display on their laptops. So I I mean you're absolutely right. I I I think the key is is to galvanize the the labor movement.
75:39And you know, of course they know how they've infiltrated the labor movement.
75:44So just like everything else is infiltrated, just like the Democratic Party, the Green Party, the Republican Party, the DSA, they're all infiltrated by the deep state and controlled and it's all divide and conquer. And so just like the union, so it's going to be very hard.
76:01But that's the only that's the only way we can you know, and the template is there from the truckers, right? So the truckers did it on a even a a small scale and it worked. If we could get the you know, the the AFL-CIO, which is the truck drivers, just them to do it or if you just get the railroad workers or if you get them in conjunction with the port workers, that's it. Game over. We the people win.
76:24And of course they'll try to do things like assassinations and again, more infiltrations, but that's the I think to me that you know, because people like to say this. They say this a lot. You'll hear people say, "Oh, we need a general strike." Okay. That's a great idea. Stop saying that, right? Say something, you know, specific and constructive And what I'm saying, I think, is actually more specific and more constructive and actually something more likely to work.
76:49Um, it it's it's Go ahead.
76:53Yeah, the comment would be illegal immigration, right? So, you ask yourself, why the Democrats have let in, you know, millions of illegal immigrants when Biden was was in power? And it could be a possibility. I mean, like I'm speculating, but it's it's just to dilute the power of labor >> Of course. in the future. Of course. No, no, that's that's 100% and to keep uh, the people from coming together to fight the oligarchs, what they do then is you have workers fighting people who are in a more desperate situation than them. And look at that and and and the immigrants who we overthrew their governments in
77:28their country and made their life unlivable, who come here. So, now we got the people at the bottom fighting instead of people at the bottom coming together and fighting the people at the top. And it works perfectly. It's working, it's still working. People are cheering on what ICE is doing across the country. And again, we need to have immigrant We need to have a strong border and all that stuff, but the demonization of the If I've always said this, if you find yourself angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you, it's a good chance you're being manipulated by someone higher on the economic ladder than you. It's
77:59obvious.
78:00Yeah, and also with with with ICE is also part of a technate plan, right? Because you want to create an AI surveillance state. So, you need an enforcement mechanism. And that'd be ICE. So, what's happening is that they're using illegal immigration in order to normalize ICE on the streets everywhere. That's exactly And so, yeah, they don't need $80 billion uh, to run an ICE an immigration program. What they do is if you want to create another uh, authoritarian police state, and that that's that's what you would do. And you're exactly right. And that's what the the job of ICE there isn't really immigration, it's there to
78:33normalize this kind of authoritarian uh, takeover of our life this technate state. That's exactly what's happening.
78:40All right, this is always good to talk to you, but it's always so depressing.
78:46Um, uh, but it's good. You get You got to You've got to see it first. You got to have the scales fall from your eyes.
78:52So, you then you know what to do about it. Um, let me uh, what give does anything give you optimism and and what off-ramps are there do you see for these worst outcomes?
79:05So, you know, people like like you, people like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens give me tremendous hope for the future because you're still allowed to say what you believe. You speak from the heart. You have tremendous audiences.
79:17Uh, your audiences love you. And uh, um, I I I I You You know this for yourself, but your your voice is resonating all across America and the world. So, that That's what gives me gives me hope.
79:29The other thing that gives me hope is that the people in charge aren't that smart. They're not that strategic. We shouldn't give that give them too much credit. Uh, they're going to make a lot of mistakes. They're going to miscalculate. They're too arrogant. Um, they're they're going to create opportunities for for other people. The third thing I I will say is that the elites themselves are not unified. If they were, they could just do what they want. There are different factions of the elite fighting fighting fighting amongst themselves. And so, um, this creates opportunity for new political movements. Um, that could possibly
80:06galvanize labor, can can galvanize 99%.
80:11Okay. Um, Professor Zhang, I really appreciate uh, your insight. I appreciate you talking to me and and talking to our audience. Uh, we can't get this kind of information uh, from the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, the Washington Post, or or MSNBC or Fox News. They can't get it.
80:31They have to come here, which is why they try to marginalize us and try to take our advertising away.
80:36And uh so I just really appreciate the What kind of So what uh what what's the reaction to you Why do they allow Why does the Chinese government allow you to do this?
80:46Okay, that's a great question. So I'm very much marginalized in China.
80:51Every Everything's I'm an idiot in China.
80:54Um so um but because like the response is just to just ignore someone if you don't agree with that person, right?
81:04Um the other thing is that I only uh speak in English to Western audiences. I don't have a Chinese uh online media presence. If I did If I If I were influential in China, then the government would see me as a problem.
81:18Um and uh um yeah, so I I I avoid uh public appearances. I avoid online media presence. I don't talk to reporters in uh in in China.
81:30Oh, okay.
81:32All right. So uh tell people where where Where do you want people to to to find you? You have a You have a YouTube channel now that is blowing up, right?
81:40Yeah. Right. So thanks, Jimmy, so much for um platforming me. Uh I really appreciate it.
81:46Um I I love your show. I love what you do. Um I I love to talk to you some more more often whenever time time permits.
81:52Uh hopefully we we can make this a monthly thing or or something because like I I I just loved talking to you.
81:58It's It's like a kindred spirit.
82:00And And I I can say certain things on your show I can't say anywhere else because I B D platform.
82:06But if if you want to follow my work, the best place is my YouTube channel, Predictive History. Um and my Substack, which is predictivehistory.substack.com.
82:15Okay, fantastic. Uh I feel the same way.
82:18I feel very kindred spirit, and hopefully we can uh we can share a meal and have a conversation in person when I come to China. I'm looking forward to that.
82:26>> Absolutely.
82:27Absolutely. Absolutely. We'll stay in touch. Okay, we'll do. Thanks again.
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